From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 1 19:59:29 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA06875; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 19:59:29 -0800 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA06869; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 19:59:27 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQybhf20890; Wed, 1 Feb 1995 22:59:29 -0500 Received: from abennett by iglou.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0rZsgJ-0001zDC; Wed, 1 Feb 95 22:58 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: abennett@iglou.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 01 Feb 1995 22:58:17 -0500 To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) Subject: test #1 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk test... Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com In-Reply-To: from "Stu Shea" at Feb 3, 95 08:48:08 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 262 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > One further thing: in banning illegal substances from illegal parties, > what kind of web is being woven? Different times, different means. The "more legal" the party is, the more rules that will need to be followed. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 3 09:02:10 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA03708; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 09:02:10 -0800 Received: from UKCC.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA03702; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 09:02:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199502031702.JAA03702@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from UKCC.UKY.EDU by UKCC.uky.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9137; Fri, 03 Feb 95 12:01:32 EST Received: from ukcc.uky.edu (NJE origin THELME00@UKCC) by UKCC.UKY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3504; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 12:01:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 03 Feb 95 11:54:01 EST From: tim Subject: TIM RAMSEY IS A BIG DUMB POT-SMOKER-HATER!!! just kiddin' To: mw-raves@TAZ.HYPERREAL.COM Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hehehehe... as i've said before, ignorance is the fastest way to get busted. so don't make it a hard time on Tim (the other tim, not me...) - if you know some people who go to his parties and they don't have access to the net, TELL THEM!!! please do not be a participant in the making of THIS gruesome scenario... ...you don't tell your non-net friends about the new rules... ...they just hear of the party word-of-mouth, don't see any flyers (which i'm sure he'll put the info on)... ...they go with a bag of buds... ...they innocently smoke up in the venue... ...tim smells it, and has to spend his whole night running around chasing off the heinous rules-breakers... try not to do that. let them know. i imagine he wants nothing less than to be after people for this small offense... do yourself a favor. if he's gotta spend his night doing that shit, he won't have a lot of fun and eventually, he'll quit throwing these killer events. thanks. later. From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 3 10:43:56 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA07696; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:43:56 -0800 Received: from student5.cl.msu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA07688; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:43:52 -0800 Received: from [35.8.189.73] by student5.cl.msu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/MSU-2.10) id AA59537; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 13:39:55 -0500 Message-Id: <9502031839.AA59537@student5.cl.msu.edu> X-Sender: macqueen@student5.msu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 13:43:39 -0500 To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: macqueen@student.msu.edu (Matt MacQueen) Subject: don't post other list DIGESTS here Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Am I crazy or is anyone else annoyed that just stuffed my mailbox with the entire UK-DANCE list digest? I appreciate the discussion of techno on this list, but this is not the way to approach it. I don't run MW-RAVES, but I think I can safely say that if most people wanted this volume of information, they would sub to that list themeslves, rather than have you crosspost. Thanks, and please lurk and learn, or ask questions.... you're playing yourself. _______________________________________________________________________ Matt MacQueen GROWTH. Interface and Hypermedia Designer/Programmer Communication Technology Laboratory, Michigan State Univeristy _______________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 3 10:53:29 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA08208; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:53:29 -0800 Received: from student5.cl.msu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA08203; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 10:53:26 -0800 Received: from [35.8.189.73] by student5.cl.msu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/MSU-2.10) id AA31140; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 13:49:25 -0500 Message-Id: <9502031849.AA31140@student5.cl.msu.edu> X-Sender: macqueen@student5.msu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 13:53:10 -0500 To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: macqueen@student.msu.edu (Matt MacQueen) Subject: DBX on EastLansing radio tonight Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If all goes well as planned, DBX (Dan Bell) will be spinning live, "on the air," on M.S.U.'s student radio station "IMPACT" 88.9 fm, on the show "the mechanical pulse" tonight [Friday] for the last half of the show, from about midnight or 12:30am until 2:00am. If you like to hear world-class techno DJ's like Dan, please call in to the station (517)355-4237 and voice your support. Cause the station manager thinks having techno guest DJ's "might be a bad idea" so we need to prove that it *is* a good idea. Incidentally, it's not MY show, I just try to help out :) tune in and lose control (ha ha, bad pun, couldn't resist....) peaceout _______________________________________________________________________ Matt MacQueen GROWTH. Interface and Hypermedia Designer/Programmer Communication Technology Laboratory, Michigan State Univeristy _______________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 3 15:03:24 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA18503; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:03:24 -0800 Received: from gold.tc.umn.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA18498; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:03:22 -0800 Received: from dialup-1-14.gw.umn.edu by gold.tc.umn.edu; Fri, 3 Feb 95 16:52:05 -0500 From: "Kirk Mona" Reply-To: "Kirk Mona" To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Lick it! Message-Id: <2f32b3964c0c002@gold.tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 95 16:52:12 -0500 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > again, I am amazed to hear the EXACT phenomenon repeated in the EXACT way > that I have experienced and reasoned out for myself- Kurt, Craig,myself, > others in the past, im sure...whether you want to call it a psychological > abberation or glimpse at some kind of truth, theres some sort of DEFINiTE > shared experience going on here Add my nane to the list. If anyone can't feel this I don't know what to say. I definatly feel that it is the music and the dance not the drugs. I say this because I don't do drugs and I've felt this. (the drugs help some people to discover it but they aren't "necessary") It's not some vague thing. It's strong and it fills you with joy from your head to the tips of your toes. That's the only way to describe it. Pure joy. Sure endorphins may play a part but I've felt this....err...I hate the word but for lack of a better one...force...even when I havn't been dancing. I felt it while I was meditating. I was with three other people and we passed the energy/force/chi/joy/call it what you will from one person to another. It felt like when to put opposite ends of strong magnets together. Only not so mechanical it flows. I've done this with many people on many different occations. People either get it or they look at you and think you're crazy. One person I did this with has done his share of drugs and said it was like the feeling of unity and closeness he felt while on acid. Another friend said it was similar to the feeling one gets by doing tai-chi. Whatever it is it arises from movement and is directly tied into dancing. When you're in the groove you can't stop and leaving makes you feel all cold inside. If you don't believe us fine but please don't put us down for what we know we have felt. It's an extremly emotional thing. I was so relieved to read about other people feeling this way. It taps into you at the root emotional level and the experience never leaves you. Out of curiosity...has anyone else felt stuff like this while not at a rave, not dancing? Peace love unity respect community vibe and twenty other words I believe in. It's not bs. I wish everyone peace. I strive for unity. I give respect and ask for it back. I want to return to the idea of community and I feel the vibe. hugs to those who want them. Kirk Mona | "We shall never be able to remove suspicion and fear monax002@gold.tc.umn.edu | as potential causes of war until communication is student of many things | permitted to flow, free and open, across kmona | international borders." -Harry S. Truman -Are we there yet harry?- From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 3 15:06:03 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA18638; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:06:03 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA18631; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:06:01 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com (root@iglou.com [192.107.41.3]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA14527 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:06:00 -0600 Received: by iglou.iglou.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0raX3E-0001yTC; Fri, 3 Feb 95 18:04 EST Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 18:04:27 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Ramsey X-Sender: evolve@iglou To: Paul Allen cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: evolution and pot,etc. In-Reply-To: <9502032030.AA17037@aug1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 3 Feb 1995, Paul Allen wrote: > > >As it reads now, Tim's banning of pot is for practical reasons only (the > >unmistakable odor). In a way, this worries me. Pot is a lot less risky for > >many people than harder drugs (LSD, E, etc. etc.), and while I have no > >idea if banning pot from an event would drive anyone to get their kicks > >differently, it did enter my mind. > > > >One further thing: in banning illegal substances from illegal parties, > >what kind of web is being woven? > > > >Just a few cents' worth, and not meant as disrespect towards Tim. > > > >Stu > > > Well, its just a different paradigm of the expeience, i guess, I believe in > the T.A.Z.(Temporary Autonomous Zone- see Hakim Bey's book of same name for > details) aspect of raves, and it is frightening to think that what I > believed to be the last, and sometimes, first real bastion of total > individual freedom, mental AND physical, is finally clearly being intruded > upon by societal and governmental norms- not only by promoters (although I > totally understand his problem and reaction), but misguided 'moral' > arguments specifically against drug use at them, as we are seeing here more > and more (esp. by newcomers). IMO It's a kind of slippery slope, It's > either total freedom for us- with risks attached for both ravers and > organizers- or its an attempt at assimilation and acceptance into and by > society; there aremaybe a few positive arguments for the latter, but I > don't think I'll ever respond with trust or respect towards the police, > after what i've seen, and for now, my motto stays " Don't Tread on Me > Adidas" ...uh.. > > one last thing: not to dis, but BY FAR, most raves I have seen busted had > little to do with open drug use, esp. pot, and more to do with noise > issues, permits, taxes, and ultimately the ATMOSPHERE & IMPLIED IDEALS > itself- think about it- do we really wanna give the majority an inch? > - P.A.R.A. > Well stu paul and everyone, the thing is my events DO NOT get busted. My events are legal. The police here are actually relatively cool. They like what I am doing (well sorta, they like having something for the kids (the under 21 crowd.) to do.) The cops respect me and the functions that I produce. I throw trouble free, hassle free events At least until Uplift. Even then had not some asshole with prescribed medication for mental illness decided to trip knowing full well that He might suffer an adverse reaction (People who know the guy say that such problems have occurred before.), uplift would have went off without a hitch. The police were at the party before the event started, looked around, talked with me and the off duty officer that i had hired to act as a liason. They gave their approval to the site and the event as a whole. They said that as long as there were no major problems then we could go all night. Noise factors and other usual reasons for busted parties do not apply to my events, simply because I take the necessary precautions to avoid those difficulties. I too firmly believe in raves as a TAZ, but at this point I think that asking people to forego one thing that theyl can do just as well BEFORE they come to the event if they must do it at all is not unreasonable for the continuation of the Evolution series in particular and raves in general. The act of smoking pot is highly noticable, everyone within a large radius know someone is smoking. This act give officers ammunition with which to take action. Until now, because of the care and attention which I had focused on the legal aspects of parties, they had been unable, in fact unwilling to bust parties. When we got to loud, they would stop by and say so, we would then remedy the problem. There has been a history of uneventfull cooperation between the police and evolution productions to insure that all parties concerned were happy. more to come peace Tim ImSmartRU/Evolution productions From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 3 15:20:31 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA19599; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:20:31 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA19593; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:20:27 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA21725; Fri, 3 Feb 95 17:22:01 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id RAA29023; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:18:05 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08705; Fri, 3 Feb 95 17:19:57 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10055; Fri, 3 Feb 95 17:18:29 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502032318.AA10055@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: Lick it! To: monax002@gold.tc.umn.edu Date: Fri, 3 Feb 95 17:18:29 CST Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <2f32b3964c0c002@gold.tc.umn.edu>; from "Kirk Mona" at Feb 3, 95 4:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } Peace love unity respect community vibe and twenty other words I believe in. } It's not bs. I wish everyone peace. I strive for unity. I give respect and unity is a tricky subject - I think we need to figure out what that word means before going any furthur with it - to me it implies a sense of every one *being* the same - or at the very least thinking the same (which is the same thing really if you think about it) - which to me is a very scary thing - I PLAR would be better (athough not as nice to say) where the A is acceptance its is much better for people to be who they are - than try to strive to "fit into" a community that aims for unity...unity of what? --Kurt "redifining terms again" osis -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- -> "Drawing on my fine command of language, I said nothing." -- R Benchly<- From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 3 15:25:48 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA19941; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:25:48 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA19933; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:25:43 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA21913; Fri, 3 Feb 95 17:27:27 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id RAA29145; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 17:23:26 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08938; Fri, 3 Feb 95 17:25:20 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10080; Fri, 3 Feb 95 17:23:51 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502032323.AA10080@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: Lick it! To: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Date: Fri, 3 Feb 95 17:23:51 CST Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9502032318.AA10055@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com>; from "Kurt Vile" at Feb 3, 95 5:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey now! I'm building my own web site for my internet server which is due on line in the next couple weeks its going to be *kurtosis.com* anyhow I'm looking for definitions of kurtosis (not the real one - but what you might think it may be based on your knowledge of who i am, some of you may be better at this than others ;-) - if you come up with a particulary good and funny one send it my way, and if you have a home page I'll place a link to it from your qoute if you want --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- -> "Drawing on my fine command of language, I said nothing." -- R Benchly<- From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 3 15:48:34 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA21241; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:48:34 -0800 Received: from gold.tc.umn.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA21234; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 15:48:31 -0800 Received: from dialup-1-8.gw.umn.edu by gold.tc.umn.edu; Fri, 3 Feb 95 17:47:14 -0500 From: "Kirk Mona" Reply-To: "Kirk Mona" To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Lick it! Message-Id: <2f32c084068a002@gold.tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 95 17:47:20 -0500 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > unity is a tricky subject - I think we need to figure out what that word > means > before going any furthur with it - to me it implies a sense of every one > *being* the same - or at the very least thinking the same (which is the same > thing really if you think about it) - which to me is a very scary thing - > I PLAR would be better (athough not as nice to say) where the A is acceptance > > its is much better for people to be who they are - than try to strive to > "fit into" a community that aims for unity...unity of what? Hmm good point. In saying unity...(though people have used it long before I came along)... I mean staying together. Sticking up for common beliefs and remaining part of this eclectic group. I don't think it means being the same. It means being different but not letting those differences tear the group apart. It's about celebrating those differences as a whole united being. We come together and unite to dance. By unity I mean sticking together. mw-raves has united us and we have benifited from it. In my view it's not about trying to "fit in" it's about creating a place where we can all fit no matter what and benifit from the union of differences. PLURAL Peaceloveunityrespectacceptanceandmorelove. Kirk Mona | "We shall never be able to remove suspicion and fear monax002@gold.tc.umn.edu | as potential causes of war until communication is student of many things | permitted to flow, free and open, across kmona | international borders." -Harry S. Truman -Are we there yet harry?- From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 3 16:15:10 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA22964; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:15:10 -0800 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA22956; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 16:15:07 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQybob12666; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 19:15:02 -0500 Received: from abennett by iglou.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0raY8C-0001zDC; Fri, 3 Feb 95 19:13 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: abennett@iglou.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 03 Feb 1995 19:13:48 -0500 To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) Subject: Just a reminder... Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey gang... I think I fixed the digest list. We will know later when enough posts are queued up and dumped to the list. Cross your fingers. Be sure to update any aliases to mw-raves that you have in your various mail programs. Like, Elm, Pine, Eudora, etc. I know that sometimes people forget to update them, and when they really need to make a post, it goes to a wrong address because they forgot to update their aliases. So, take a moment now and make sure that they are working. Oh, and I incorrectly spelled Craig's last name earlier. Sorry about that, Craig. You can leave a 'n' or 't' out of my name sometime... Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com ; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 23:14:45 -0600 Received: by lulu.acns.nwu.edu (1.37.109.11/20.3) id AA124444885; Fri, 3 Feb 1995 23:14:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199502040514.AA124444885@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Subject: Re Mayday To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Date: Fri, 3 Feb 1995 23:14:45 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1653 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >By the way, I contacted Lufthansa Airlines about going to Germany for the >next MAYDAY. They told me I could not get group rates quoted to me and >to go through a travel agent. They did however qoute me the regular >price. It is a whopping $1000 and change. Im sure ther may be cheaper >flights on a different airline but I haven't got the time to try and >organize it. If anyone knows of a travel agent who would be willing to >hook it up, that would be cool. I think it would be nice to have a nice >amount of Mid westerners there(hell, Americans period). XxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXxXx Instead of going to Mayday, which happens very regularly. Why don't people go down to Loveparade in Berlin. All the Mayday artist are going to be there too. For people who don't know what the LoveParade is, its a massive parade down the main streets of Berlin on the first Saturday of July. They have 60ft. trucks full of speakers and DJ's spinning wild shit while people are dancing on the top. Eventhough this event is during the day there are massive raves the whole weekend long. Last year their were 120,000 people and this year they expect 200,000+. If you don't like loads of people and think this is just to commercial, well then don't bother going to Mayday either because it attracts 40,000+ each time too. I'll be at Love parade this year It would be fresh if I could meet up with some midwesterners there. So if you are planning to dish out the big bucks for the flight to Europe, make it a special trip. Let me know if any of you are going to be down their. peace Dj Fantasia From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 4 01:37:46 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id BAA13325; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 01:37:46 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA13319; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 01:37:43 -0800 From: HYDRA@delphi.com Received: from bos1b.delphi.com (SYSTEM@bos1b.delphi.com [192.80.63.4]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id DAA08523 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:37:45 -0600 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HMN0CY2HO0962J2Q@delphi.com>; Sat, 04 Feb 1995 04:37:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 1995 04:37:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Hold on here,,,, To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Message-id: <01HMN0CY30YQ962J2Q@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > } > a couple of friends of mine age 25 and 27 went to nye (their first party) or > } > pure i gues it was called - anyhow the said the were easily the oldest > } > people in the room - and din't like that at all - heh oh well I tried > } > they siad they wouldn't go back because they felt so outta place being > } > so old in a room so young (they also got lots of strange looks) why i don't > } > know but they did. > } > } I hate to say this, but they probably are really too old then, the scene has > } to cycle, and young people come in at the bottom, old ones leave at the top, > } the dilligent ones stay, and mke things good for the young ones. It is a > } stage we all travel through in life, a time when we want to escape 'reality', > } but eventually we have to come around. I think the wider we can make the age > } range, the better, but it should be expected that at some point, people are > } just ready to move on. > > oh horseshit - how can one who expreslly states that he belives in the concept > of PLU (without the R for some reason) say something like this? Why can't > anyone enjoy the vibe of a party - If your 80 and you want to groove you > should be *made* to feel welcome and wanted as part of the vibe and the > groove - you shouldn't be excluded...thats what PLU (without the R ) is supposed > to be about acceptance - thats what rave was about long ago - sharing the > groove (name that phish song) - but now you have to be a certain age? so > limitting the top end is fine - but if you want to have a min age thats > wrong? *sproing*! makes sense doesn't it - why should anyone be forced to > leave when they become "to old" what is "to old" anyhow? Well, first off, i said no such thing, re-read my comment, what i said was that at some point people are ready to move on. If an 80 year old came to a party and wanted to groove, hopefully they would be made to feel welcome, i think that sounds great, but it is not a one-way thing. If two people show up expecting to have a powerful loving experience with giving anythings, it can't happen. I never once mentioned setting an upper age limit, i merely said that some people may eventually find themselves too old to enjoy the kind of sensationalism raves thrive off of. > I like going to > parties - but its that exact elitist additude (oh your not the same as > me you don't belong here but i belive in PLU (without the R) ) that stopped > me from going for 6 months - man anyone who takes an mind altering substance > (alchol included) is looking to escape reality - haven't you realized this > yet? ok, first, What elitist attitude, I made none of the comments your refering too. I do not care who comes to a party, if they decide they are going to have fun, they will. if they decide they won't, no vibe can change that. regarding the mind -altering substances, i don't know what your refering too, but i have never in all my days gone to a party on ANY mind altering substance... > } As someone said on this list a while ago: (roughly) > }raves are a way to transcend reality, but when raves become your reality, it's > } time to transcend them too (something like that, it's the general idea) > } > I don't think raves could ever become your reality - that would logically > imply that you are raving *all the time* which your not - your doing > once a week or so (ok maybe a little more than taht we used to have fri,sat, > and sun every weekend) And eventually the week between becomes a drag, i know people who are so caught up, they go to parties all weekend, and when they're home, all they're doing is setting up for the next weekends party. It all depends on the person. -Josh cep -><- From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 4 01:37:55 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id BAA13376; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 01:37:55 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA13371; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 01:37:53 -0800 From: HYDRA@delphi.com Received: from bos1b.delphi.com (SYSTEM@bos1b.delphi.com [192.80.63.4]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id DAA08223 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:37:55 -0600 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HMN0DHNNH2962J2Q@delphi.com>; Sat, 04 Feb 1995 04:37:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 1995 04:37:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: MORE FOOD FOR THOUGHT To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Message-id: <01HMN0DHNNH4962J2Q@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > } > Would you(the average raver) rather go to an event from 12pm-8am that > } > might get busted or an event from 9pm to 5am that is gauranteed not to > } > get shut down(barring any major catastrophe)? > } > } The later, but 9pm - 8 am is even better... > } > I'd rather go to the event that went from 12pm to 8am even though it > might get busted? Why because its more fun that way - it adds a > sense of urgency to the party - knowing that a bust is enimite makes > you enjoy the party even more becuase each second matters that much > more AMEN! -Josh From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 4 01:38:13 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id BAA13444; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 01:38:13 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA13433; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 01:38:11 -0800 From: HYDRA@delphi.com Received: from bos1b.delphi.com (SYSTEM@bos1b.delphi.com [192.80.63.4]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id DAA08280 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:38:13 -0600 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HMN0DOX524962J2Q@delphi.com>; Sat, 04 Feb 1995 04:38:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 1995 04:38:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Lick it! To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Message-id: <01HMN0DOX526962J2Q@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >And besides, who cares if they are! I would much rather be at a party full of > >'iwannabecool' highschoolers dancing and having a GENUINE good time than a > >bunch of over 21 fools, just came from a bar, looking for a good.fuck. These > >people are the ones who ruin vibe, not highschoolers. > > Since you are so young, you really have no idea what the heck your talking > about here. That's just not true. You really have no idea. I am not sure how you can decide what i think, i said i would rather be with 'wannabecool' highschoolers than drunks, THATS TRUE. sorry. > >Regarding faking a vibe, as a friend of mine put it: > >The feeling of the scene is love, peace, and unity... if that is trendy, if > >it's COOL to love one another, then let the trendy ones come! > > Fuck that. Where the hell did all that fucking love and peace bullshit come > from. Give me a break on that 60's recycling bullshit. why? Like i said, people who are NICE are better than people who aren't. I doesn't matter if it's 60's recycled. I'm sorry if you don't see it that way. I'll just go on trying to be as kind to people as i can, but thats not everyones cup o' tea, do as you please. BTW- all that "love and peace bullshit" came from being a sensible human, and a person who likes people to feel good around them. Once again, if it isn't your thing, you don't have to give a big "Fuck That". > >sorry if i seemed hostile, i just am strongly opposed to over 21 parties, or > >even over 18 parties.... > > Then don't go. OKAY? Stay home for these. Keep that bullshit vibe, love peace > crap at home. Alright? I don't need it. Hey, don't forget to take your > trendy drugs with ya. OKAY. ok... if i had read this part of the message before i hit reply, i wouldn't have. I don't know where you got these values from, but if it's from your 'diehard rave experience' then i'm not sure if i want to stay around. I don't go to parties that are over 21, unless i'm working there, which was the point of the discussion, if people supported over 21 parties... And regarding my trendy drugs, fuck that. I have never once been to a party under the affect of any drug. I go for the music, friends, etc, not drug experineces. -josh crosseyed productions do-si-do productions -><- From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 4 01:38:34 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id BAA13505; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 01:38:34 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA13497; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 01:38:32 -0800 From: HYDRA@delphi.com Received: from bos1b.delphi.com (SYSTEM@bos1b.delphi.com [192.80.63.4]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id DAA08370 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:38:35 -0600 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HMN0E2MWWI962J2Q@delphi.com>; Sat, 04 Feb 1995 04:38:32 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 1995 04:38:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: The scene? To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Message-id: <01HMN0E2MWWK962J2Q@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Return-path: > Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) > id <01HMM3AFFCIO91K1J7@delphi.com>; Fri, 03 Feb 1995 12:50:49 -0500 (EST) > Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) > by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA08637; Fri, > 3 Feb 1995 11:46:31 -0600 > Date: Fri, 03 Feb 1995 11:46:31 -0600 > From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com > Subject: The scene? > Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu > To: Multiple recipients of list > Errors-to: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu > Reply-to: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com > Message-id: <950203124642.2080e8f0@etcv01.eld.ford.com> > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu > Precedence: bulk > X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas > > > > > >That dislike of kids is just as much part of the problem as anything else. > >Half of the existing scene is under 21, and to throw over 21 parties blatantly > >excludes the younger half. How can we expect a strong vibe, and a future for > >the scene if we exclude the kids who in a few years will be throwing the > >parties. I am not yet 18 and i have contributed to throwing parties here and > >elsewhere through a variety of ways, graphics work, flyers, and just actually > >promoting. When you cut us out, you cut out the future. > > No, no, no. > > Put yourself in my shoes. > > Consider this. One day you're ravin in '96 and you notice a few Junior > Highschool kids there. You might say to yourself. What the heck. But it's > o.k. because everyones having fun. So a few months later you're realizing that > these junior highschool kids are there to stay. Then say in '97 the junior > highschoolers are establishing there own brand of ravin' fun. You notice that > people your age 16-21 are slowly dissapearing from the so called scene as the > junior highschoolers think there such hot shit as if they invented techno or > something. > Like it or not, it's gonna piss you off. ok, i agree, i wrote a page long reply, but i got deleted... so let me just sum it up. Agree that it is frustrating, it has happened to myself before, but i still don't think that people should be excluded for it. Take heart in the fact that in 2000 those kids might be feeling the exact way your feeling now. Like i said, it all comes full circle. -josh cep -><- From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 4 01:38:41 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id BAA13559; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 01:38:41 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA13552; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 01:38:39 -0800 From: HYDRA@delphi.com Received: from bos1b.delphi.com (SYSTEM@bos1b.delphi.com [192.80.63.4]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id DAA08500 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:38:42 -0600 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HMN0EI6LFS962J2Q@delphi.com>; Sat, 04 Feb 1995 04:38:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 1995 04:38:39 -0500 (EST) Subject: Don't do that. To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Message-id: <01HMN0EI6V3E962J2Q@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >underground artists go, to synthpop (i may head there myself, kraftwerk and > >the pet shop boys revised). > > You should be shot for puting the F'n Pet Shop Boys and Kraftwerk in the same > sentence. Like I just did. ok, ok, (heh heh heh), i admit they are somewhat different, but have you heard early kraftwerk, sound pretty synthpoppy to me... Personally, it is some of their worst stuff, but oh well... -josh. From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 4 01:39:03 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id BAA13637; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 01:39:03 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA13632; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 01:39:01 -0800 From: HYDRA@delphi.com Received: from bos1b.delphi.com (SYSTEM@bos1b.delphi.com [192.80.63.4]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id DAA07104 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:39:04 -0600 Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HMN0EYBFXM962J2Q@delphi.com>; Sat, 04 Feb 1995 04:39:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 1995 04:39:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Food for thought (fwd) To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Message-id: <01HMN0EYBFXO962J2Q@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > 'iwannabecool' highschoolers dancing and having a GENUINE good time than a > > bunch of over 21 fools, just came from a bar, looking for a good.fuck. These > > people are the ones who ruin vibe, not highschoolers. > > Oh sure, all of us over 21 simply want sex and a good drunk from our > weekends. Get a clue, kid. Your generalization was just as bad as > Kurt's, as long as you're bringing attention to the fact. Besides, > I've been to maybe two parties, one in Chicago one in Milwaukee, where > there actually was a crowd of people who were drunk and older and > having just come from a bar. I just don't think it happens all that > often. Sorry if my comment read wrong, i was actually refering not to all over 21 folks, but a type of person that i see at parties down here alot... It wasn't really a generalization as much as an observation on the two different types of crowds that i have experienced (among others) > > sorry if i seemed hostile, i just am strongly opposed to over 21 parties, or > > even over 18 parties.... -josh From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 4 03:55:53 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id DAA16376; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:55:53 -0800 Received: from bronze.coil.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA16368; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 03:55:50 -0800 Received: from localhost (eluna@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) id GAA03416; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 06:56:42 -0500 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 06:56:41 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Luna To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: any info on mystic bill? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i dunno how many ppl are reading the brand-spanking new list but i need to get ahold of mystic bill. ANY info, like the numbers of promoters he's spun for or ANYTHING would be appreciated. (note: please reply privately!) this is to round out an almost-perfect lineup for MANTRA on april 1... stay tuned for info! ++ e d e l e m e n t a l number seeker From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 4 08:30:55 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA21542; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 08:30:55 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA21536; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 08:30:52 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0ranOI-0000JhC; Sat, 4 Feb 95 10:31 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: re: agism To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 10:31:17 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 717 Forwarded message: ::From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com :: ::I know it's difficult to admit it. But we are all just human. As humans we ::all have our prejudices and dislikes. It's better to admit that (as I have) ::than to claim to be jesus-like. The point is how you treat these 'others' that you pointed out in your post. Even if a bunch of yuppie engineers wearing a lot gold jewelry were dancing away at a party, wouldn't it make sense to talk to them and find out how they heard about the party or just say hello? If there weren't anyone thinking like this in the scene I don't think I would ever have met anyone in the scene. I don't exactly fit into any nicely contrived raver look; never will. - stevenJ From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 4 08:40:02 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA21825; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 08:40:02 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA21817; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 08:39:59 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0ranX8-0000JhC; Sat, 4 Feb 95 10:40 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: Re: Chant.. (fwd) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 10:40:26 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 691 Forwarded message: ::From: dearborn michael jam :: ::sorry dude, DJ's dont put DJ's on pedestal' people do. I am a dj, i know ::this. So am I, and I do understand where the worship factor comes from. I still think it's silly and should be done away with. It simply feels like so much rock&roll bullshit, which is one of the first things I saw at the very first party I went to: dj's were stuck in the corner, in the dark and out of the way. it was simply the music running the show. Is this the reality of the situation? Obviously no, the dj is spinning records. But the whole thing is about peoples' perceptions and how they react to them. - stevenJ From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 4 12:51:38 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA02591; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:51:38 -0800 Received: from nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA02586; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:51:35 -0800 Received: by nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA11681; Sat, 4 Feb 95 16:04:34 GMT-0500 From: jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (Jennifer Palmer) Message-Id: <9502042104.AA11681@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu> Subject: Life Force To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:04:31 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1923 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have been a raver for several years.....I read the forward from andrew and until recently had kept myself bottled up and didn't meet many people.....lately I have been going out of my way to meet other net.ravers and doing my best to help them get rides to parties that they want to goto...... I think the biggest people to touch my lives in this whole scene are andrew bennett and craig [archon], and no I can't remember how to spell his last name. For almost three years I went to rave totally straight with no drugs at all..... part of this due to myself and part due to my childhood with my parents being "hippies".....BUT then as I learned more about them and what it was like to do these drugs..... yes I liked it..... The one time I was actually ashamed of being on a drug or two was new years when I was around andrew..... I felt like I had let myself and one of my friends down I don't know why I guess it is because Andrew has known me so long and was one of the first people I met in the scene..... But Craig on the other hand is my newest friend, I hope you all read his Jak is Back post, I was there when he went through this whole ordeal so to speak..... Not so long before he took his drugs I told him he had to stop all this..... at least for a while..... raving is not about drugs, but it does open your eyes to a new outlook on the scene..... at least for me and obviously for Craig..... I think that if you haven't learned anything from your scene lately or you feel like it is going nowhere then you haven't put anything into the scene...... We all need an awakening like Craig or like the forward from Andrew.... and you are the scene you make it, and you need to keep it alive and changing or it will go nowhere.... love to all ravers, jenni -- *Jennifer Palmer* aka Deadbeat jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu or palmerje@miavx1.muohio.edu From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 4 19:15:47 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA14850; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 19:15:47 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA14844; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 19:15:45 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502050315.TAA14844@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: CULTURE Ride Needed!!! (fwd) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 19:15:45 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 637 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** This message is being forwarded by Andrew. Watch those headers if you ** reply. >From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 4 14:09:01 1995 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 16:08:55 -0600 (CST) From: Nicole Madison Subject: CULTURE Ride Needed!!! To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey all! Is anyone leaving from or passing thru Milwaukee tonight going to Culture that would have room for two people? They will help with gas money...Please call Ben at: (414)481.7562. Thanks a bunch!!! Jessica-Tink From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 4 19:16:39 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA14935; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 19:16:39 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA14929; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 19:16:38 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502050316.TAA14929@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Maxximum (fwd) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 19:16:38 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 452 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** This message is being forwarded by Andrew. Watch those headers if you ** reply. >From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 4 12:39:26 1995 From: MaxximumSL@aol.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 15:40:23 -0500 Message-Id: <950204144304_12911138@aol.com> To: Mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Subject: Maxximum We have a new Adress : Maxximum Sound and Ligths. Inc 117 West St Catherine Louisville, KY 40203 Tel : 502.568.3815 We will have a second number soon From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 4 19:17:22 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA15023; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 19:17:22 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA15016; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 19:17:21 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502050317.TAA15016@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Forwarded mail... To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 19:17:21 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1197 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** This message is being forwarded by Andrew. Watch those headers if you ** reply. >From CAMMARAT@AC.GRIN.EDU Sat Feb 4 11:59:43 1995 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 1995 13:35:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) To: mw-raves-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Message-id: <01HMNJ59IF9Q8Y50TK@AC.GRIN.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT oops...that last post was TOTALLY misdirected....SORRY!! I guess I should elaborate that....I was talking about "looking" like a raver.....what ever that means... I can pull off the skater/raver/skinhead thing real easy, but that's because I'm 19...but then again, I have been waring everytthing way large forever... being a "raver" is more than the gear...it's the attitude, or lack there of...its the capacity for loving everyone around you regardless, and making new friends...remeber people the reasons we are all doing this is a LOVE FOR THE MUSIC, the PEOPLE, and occasionally, the drugs. (personally, I think it should be in that order, with the music and people vieing for first on a moment to moment basis). oh well...my .65 cents of pointless opinion. TIgger From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 4 19:17:49 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA15094; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 19:17:49 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA15088; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 19:17:47 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502050317.TAA15088@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Forwarded mail... To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 19:17:47 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 643 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** This message is being forwarded by Andrew. Watch those headers if you ** reply. >From CAMMARAT@AC.GRIN.EDU Sat Feb 4 12:07:11 1995 Date: Sat, 04 Feb 1995 13:32:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) To: mw-raves-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Message-id: <01HMNJ0XHS6W8Y50TK@AC.GRIN.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT oh pshwaw steve, I think with a few added holes in your head and a phat pair of jeans you'd like any other raver....besides, you are more raver esque than most I know....oh well... Still missing my man (and Eric too) TIgger From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 4 19:18:43 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA15176; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 19:18:43 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA15170; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 19:18:41 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502050318.TAA15170@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Feedback to Mr. Dearborn (fwd) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 19:18:41 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1613 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** This message is being forwarded by Andrew. Watch those headers if you ** reply. >From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 4 10:11:36 1995 Subject: Feedback to Mr. Dearborn To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:10:00 -0600 (CST) From: djkc In-Reply-To: from "mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu" at Feb 1, 95 08:18:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1094 Message-ID: <9502041210.aa05305@blkbox.COM> > Date: Wed, 1 Feb 1995 16:43:47 -0600 (CST) > From: dearborn michael jam > Subject: food for thought responses > > The question about people knowing the music that the DJ'S are playing > was asked because a lot of people know about DJ'S and there > accomplishments as a DJ but they don't know that the person is a producer > as well. Being in that situation myself, I find that alot of people know > Mike Dearborn the DJ not Mike Dearborn the producer. Well, if it's any consolation :) when I saw you on the list, I first recognized you as the artist on DJAX. I really didn't know you DJ'ed too, but only guessed that you might since you made 'underground' stuff... So, as an exception, I knew your name first as 'Mike Dearborn the producer', if that means anything to ya! :) -kc "Why..why..why am I getting feedback?" -- If you thought prejudice and e And That's \/ discrimination were problems Schwa! #|_ not ALL! (_| now, wait until aliens land! _###\._______________| |_ From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 4 19:19:22 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA15250; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 19:19:22 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA15244; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 19:19:21 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502050319.TAA15244@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re: djkc mix tapes.. (fwd) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 19:19:21 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1913 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** This message is being forwarded by Andrew. Watch those headers if you ** reply. >From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 4 10:27:08 1995 Subject: Re: djkc mix tapes.. To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 12:25:35 -0600 (CST) From: djkc In-Reply-To: from "mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu" at Feb 1, 95 08:18:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1397 Message-ID: <9502041225.aa05965@blkbox.COM> Hey, thanks for RAVING about me Tim and Mouse!! (pun intended :) That's the main reason I'm into the music and dj'ing, to see/hear people in exctasy, appreciating the music, dancing, etc.. The music, and the way it makes me and other people feel is why I love it so much! For non-lyrical music to say so much without saying a word is wonderful. However, (**screeeech!**), I hope I'm not FLOODED with people wanting tapes, as I've been quite busy with school, music, and I hope to catch up so I'll have time for the gigs I have lined up this Spring. But I'm always willing to send out tapes to promoters if there's the potential for spinning at their party/parties. I only am able to travel within Texas, so if you're outside, some sort of travel arrangements would have to be discussed...and if you listen to my tapes, you'll most likely think it's worth it! So, if you're a promoter in any sense (ie, you throw the parties yourself, or you promote for a promoter, friend of a promoter, promote rave dj's in general, etc), then I'd like to send you some tapes if there's the chance of me being brought out to do parties. Just gimme an E! :) thanks, -kc -- e And That's \/ Schwa! #|_ not ALL! (_| _###\._______________| |_ From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 4 21:35:23 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA20271; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 21:35:23 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA20265; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 21:35:21 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502050535.VAA20265@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Flyers (fwd) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 21:35:21 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 700 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** This message was forwarded by Andrew. Watch those headers if replying. >From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 4 21:25:53 1995 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 23:25:52 -0600 (CST) From: Robin Marie Unold To: MwRaves Subject: Flyers Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I was wondering if anyone on mw-raves does flyers.. I'm starting to do them.. I can already produce high quality fylers but I'm not exactly sure how everything needs sto be set up for the printing process.. anyone who has info on this get back to me Jedi151 Jedi151@csd.uwm.edu From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 4 23:43:31 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id XAA23584; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 23:43:31 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id XAA23576; Sat, 4 Feb 1995 23:43:28 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502050743.XAA23576@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: skipped a beat (fwd) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 1995 23:43:28 -0800 (PST) Cc: catarrh@engin.umich.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 627 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** This message was forwarded by Andrew. You have to be a member of ** mw-raves@hyperreal.com to post to the list. Watch those headers on ** replies, gang. >From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Sat Feb 4 23:26:33 1995 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 02:24:07 -0500 (EST) From: mike wong Subject: skipped a beat To: mw-raves@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hi everyone! i just moved to ann arbor mi from the san francisco bay area. now my only dream... is to go to a midwest rave. From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 5 01:43:22 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id BAA26060; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 01:43:22 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA26055; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 01:43:19 -0800 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu (root@maroon.tc.umn.edu [128.101.118.21]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA18210 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 02:31:32 -0600 Received: from dialup-1-63.gw.umn.edu by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Sun, 5 Feb 95 02:30:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 02:31:38 -0600 To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu From: satti002@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Chris Sattinger) Subject: Re: Too old? Message-Id: <2f348ca720a9002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >On Fri, 3 Feb 1995 MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com wrote: > >> >> > a couple of friends of mine age 25 and 27 went to nye (their first party) >>or >> > pure i gues it was called - anyhow the said the were easily the oldest >> I hate to say this, but they probably are really too old then, the scene has >> to cycle, and young people come in at the bottom, old ones leave at the top, >> the dilligent ones stay, and mke things good for the young ones. >> >> No dude, its getting younger. >> >Now say, how old are most of the DJs, well older than teenage years. >How old are the promoters (if big Daddy isnt footing the expenses?) >The scene is getting younger, no I really dont think so. That is rather >close minded to write. "Love Peace & Harmony" and other stuff isnt >extended to the older people just because they are all old farts. Sure, >I freak when when i see people older than myself ( Im 22,) i think they >are too old. but what does some kid (13-17) think about me. Usually the >kids are the ones with the whack attitudes. So saying that the youth are >the answer to the scene, and the old people should split once they hit a >certain age has merit, but sounds too much like something out of >"Children of the Corn" >I saw in another post that someone was suggesting 21+ parties, but that >is a mistake as well. It takes the range of ages to make it happen. Not >just the teenie boppers, or the mall rats, not just the old people who >can be out past curfew... > >robi CHRIS' LAW OF AGE : old people suck because they close their minds down and get tired, they can only understand what they grasped onto in their formative impressionable years. Then they become record execs and propagate classic rock all over the fucking planet. young people suck because they are so impressioned by what they are into and so convinced that it is the ultimate, and far superior to what the old people had, that they disregard what that actual experience was. they often grasp onto things that are quite worthless but feel very new and that is good enough to like it. and there is a certain excitement to that. (that isn't always bad, some music I love just because I know it is a transient fleeting experience, not a classic , but a quick joy ) cool people are really cool. I know quite a number of them. they vary in age. CHRIS (that's me) IS A VERY COOL INDIVIDUAL (you all don't me well enough to dispute that, so don't even try). HE HAS IT IN HIS MIND TO CONTINUALLY AWAKEN AND LEARN AND CHANGE AND DISCOVER THE ABSOLUTE JOY OF CREATING THE WORLD ANEW IN HIS MIND. I will be doing music when I'm 80, and it won't sound anything like this stuff that I do now. I think that a lot of techno consists of fleeting sounds of the moment, a living culture that requires constant attention to even understand it ! This state of mind appeals to teens to 23 or so year olds the most. At this point most people shut down, but then why would any of us want to be like that ? I consider this music and the experiencing of this music to be very spiritual. Sometimes I look at some teenager dancing, and I can see that it doesn't mean as much to him/her as it does to me. I can see that they will not be here in 3 or 4 years. But that is fine, this is a way better place to pass through than I thought hardcore punk was ( I opted out of that in favour of joy division :) ) At this point in our history there is a big scene, and this hasn't happened before. I , in my little contribution, try to ensure that it is more than a fad, that it doesn't end up in 15 years with some awful top 40 mutilation like Green Day's version of "punk". You all know this culture is too strong and it will grow huge . I talked to some body who used to follow the Grateful Dead in the early 70s. In 1976, he spotted that it just died. Learn from history ! (I'm talking about the festival of the Dead , not their awful music) p.s. I'm 27, and getting younger. Relavant quote : Sonic Youth's Kim Gordon ( who is I think 40 ) on EMF : "We're younger than they'll ever be ! " Chris Sattinger _ MONO ekagra From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 5 07:20:03 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA01913; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 07:20:03 -0800 Received: from oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA01905; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 07:20:00 -0800 Received: (from rmaslow@localhost) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) id KAA21854 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 10:19:59 -0500 From: Rebecca Jill Maslow Message-Id: <199502051519.KAA21854@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: we got a new one. :) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 10:19:59 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 189 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey everybody! everyone give a real big nice smile and welcome to hakan! (i finally got him on the list) :) now everyone be nice. no major flames this week, ok? *giggle* *huGs* -becca From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 5 09:13:36 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA04896; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 09:13:36 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA04887; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 09:13:34 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502051713.JAA04887@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re: Chicago Rave Commune? (fwd) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 09:13:34 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1804 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** Watch those headers on replies, folks! I'm just a forwarding agent, ** I don't write this stuff. -Andrew >From satti002@maroon.tc.umn.edu Sun Feb 5 01:44:42 1995 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 02:46:41 -0600 To: Andrew Bennett From: satti002@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Chris Sattinger) Subject: Re: Chicago Rave Commune? (fwd) Message-Id: <2f34902f243e002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Hey ! I have definite concrete plans to start a serious long term commune, probably within 10 years. I have been looking at various past commune attempts. You should check out the Dreamtime publication, Dreamtime Talking. There is usually a copy in Earwax in Chi. Dreamtime is a village of I think 100 people in Wisconsin. buildings, electricity and all. From what I hear, very cool people. There are still a lot of hippy/hippy-fallout communal livings known as "intentional communities" (which sounds like a fucking 12 step term to me). Anyway, those are either house (like you are talking about ) or owned properties (which is a further (or should we now spell it furthur ? :) ). Its a very tricky thing to pull off ! You run up against the whole "rules" versus "oh man, why are you so anal" kind of thing. Its hard to have an open living space without running into people who won't pull their weight. Dreamtime charges a small fee to go visit (10$, and you have to do some labour ). And you can't stay more than 4 weeks without having a "plan". That sounds like a good idea. Let me know whats up, I want to hear about it ! p.s. Dreamtime also has an Internet sight and a bunch of Hypermedia freaks down there ! Chris Sattinger _ MONO ekagra From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 5 15:15:37 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA17096; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 15:15:37 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA17089; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 15:15:35 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502052315.PAA17089@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re: MAYDAY (fwd) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 15:15:35 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2245 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** This message is another forward by Andrew. Remember that you must be ** a member of the new mw-raves@hyperreal.com to post to it. To subscr1be, ** send email to mw-raves-request@hyperreal.com with 'subscr1be' in the body ** of the message, with the correct spelling of subscr1be, of course. ** Watch those headers on replies, folks. >From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 5 13:31:09 1995 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 15:31:08 -0600 (CST) From: dearborn michael jam Subject: Re: MAYDAY To: "Murray, John P" Cc: Multiple recipients of list In-Reply-To: <03FEB95.18664322.0065.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII if someone wants to do this, this would be cool. They could then take a train from amsterdam. the train would cost about 50 bucks round trip. If anyone plans on doing this they should let me know asap. I have to let the MAYDAY organizers know how many tickets to put on hold for purchase and for who. peace mike dearborn On Fri, 3 Feb 1995, Murray, John P wrote: > >By the way, I contacted Lufthansa Airlines about going to Germany for the > >next MAYDAY. They told me I could not get group rates quoted to me and > >to go through a travel agent. They did however qoute me the regular > >price. It is a whopping $1000 and change. Im sure ther may be cheaper > >flights on a different airline but I haven't got the time to try and > >organize it. If anyone knows of a travel agent who would be willing to > >hook it up, that would be cool. I think it would be nice to have a nice > >amount of Mid westerners there(hell, Americans period). > > > > > > PEACE > > mIKE dEARBORN > > According to a discount travel newsletter I get there is a travel agency > in Chicago that offers a round trip ticket to Amsterdam for $329-- > Sunbeam Travel 800-433-3161-- that is real close to Germany. I haven't > called them myself but it would definately be worth looking into. Also, > if anyone is interested I have info. about really low air courier fares > i.e. CHI to London for $199. > > Mark Josef > Brain Pharm Industries > From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 5 15:55:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA18938; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 15:55:33 -0800 Received: from nccseq.noctrl.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA18932; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 15:55:30 -0800 Received: by nccseq.noctrl.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0rbGoI-0007tSC; Sun, 5 Feb 95 17:56 CST Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 17:56:06 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Dienger Subject: Rides to Love Generator To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I need a ride to Love Generator (St. Louis, Feb., 11). I live in Naperville, IL (Western suburbs of Chicago) and there are two other people with me (spitfire and fractal). If you have any information or can give us a ride, please email me-> thanks!:) *PLUR* Mark Dienger (Dink) gsammd@noctrl.edu From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 5 16:24:28 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA20388; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 16:24:28 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA20379; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 16:24:25 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502060024.QAA20379@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re: 21 or Older (fwd) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 16:24:25 -0800 (PST) Cc: hcmk@umich.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1912 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** Another forward to mw-raves@hyperreal.com from Andrew. Remember, you ** have to be a subscriber on the new list to post to it.... >From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Sun Feb 5 07:57:32 1995 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 10:57:27 -0500 (EST) From: Holly Macdonald - Korth X-Sender: hcmk@breakout.rs.itd.umich.edu To: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: 21 or Older In-Reply-To: <950201113004.208162c9@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= t r e e t o w n f a m i l e e m a s s i v e hcmk@umich.edu mission control: 810.746.3338 n e x u s t e c h n o l o g i e s *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* On Wed, 1 Feb 1995 MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com wrote: > > Are there any techno party people who think that a 21 or older > rave would be a good idea? > > Much less chance of a bust. > Less drugs. > that is just the kind of elitism and ageism that this scene is based against...most parties in san francisco are 21+ and look what their scene is like: no vibe and it is basically a bar/club scene...who wants that...then there is no underground... what about plur? the u is for unity ya know...why should we try to exclude anyone? i love seeing young kids come to parties and get hooked on the scene via the music and the cool kids...one thing i really like about the whole thing is the diverse nature of the people i hang out with... if you want to be with people 21+ go to "techno" night at some bar.... because if it's exclusive, it's not a party... hollee From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 5 16:43:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA21291; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 16:43:19 -0800 Received: from VM.NMU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA21285; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 16:43:15 -0800 Received: from NMU.EDU by VM.NMU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9679; Sun, 05 Feb 95 19:42:27 EST Message-Id: <05FEB95.21283732.0034.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 95 19:42:25 EST From: "Murray, John P" To: Subject: slippery snakes X-Mailer: MUSIC/SP V3.1.1 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay, about the age thing that has been tossed around for awhile in 'food for thought'-- specifically ageism -- I think that in reality 'the scene' (and right now I feel like I'm having one of those never ending conversations that I always seem to be having with my girlfriend(s) about 'the relationship') is intent on cutting out anyone who is 'over thirty'. I don't think the kids who are under 21 have anything to worry about. That might be okay--I'm reminded of all those old hippies that look tacky as shit and who haven't figured out that it is time to move onto bigger and greener pastures. I was originally drawn to rave because of its open-mindedness which is why it is so great to have so many young people involved. What I don't like is that the themes of the events, the issues that we confront in our mass gatherings of group psychadelic experience, tend to get pulled down to the level of high school--i.e. fashion, cliques, whether or not to 'say no to drugs'. Man, I could only stay with blow pops and funny hats for so long. As I get older, I am thirty , I find that the stuff I deal with in life gets heavier and more intense and I would personally like to see my world reflect that. I would like to see my raves to be spiritual happenings, group artistic experiences and places for mutual supportive psychadelic exploration. I used to believe that that was what is was all about--all that talk about PLUR--but I'm really not sure. I had a friend tell me that once at a rave she was having a real bad trip and she was just sitting down crying and nobody gave a shit. They didn't like her stepping on their good time. And I know exactly what she is talking about. I'm all for having a good time and keeping it light myself so don't get me wrong. Or else the way that everyone hated the Psychic TV show at Psychosis 1 (if anyone is old enough to remember that) because they did a Throbbing Gristle type show and it "freaked everyone out". Shit man, I need to be freaked out more because my world is a really freaky place. I dunno. I've been feeling disillusioned with rave lately because it seems to be just a bunch of vacuous mind fucking when I used to believe it was the cutting edge of an earnest search for truth. I'm not ready to quit yet. As far as the age thing goes, I think older people need to hang around to help guide the younger people and we have to try and connect with our parents and shit too. peace, Mark Josef Brain Pharm Prod. From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 5 19:44:42 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA28186; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 19:44:42 -0800 Received: from corn.cso.niu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA28180; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 19:44:39 -0800 Received: by corn.cso.niu.edu id AA04133 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 21:44:47 -0600 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 1995 21:44:47 -0600 (CST) From: dearborn michael jam Subject: culture To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Was it hot as an oven in the space or was it my imagination? From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 5 20:12:40 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA29346; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 20:12:40 -0800 Received: from po1.Indiana.Edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA29339; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 20:12:38 -0800 Message-Id: <199502060412.UAA29339@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from PRISM.DECnet by PO1.Indiana.EDU; id AA14178 (5.65c+jsm/2.5.1jsm); Sun, 5 Feb 1995 23:10:55 -0500 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 95 23:12:39 EST From: TriPtoNitE X-To: PO%"mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com" Subject: UTOPIA 2 preparty... To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk keep yer eyes open for details on a preparty for utopia 2...big, big, and even more big caravan going to love generator following this party in bloomington 8*) hope to see you there! drop me a line if you think youll be coming to the utopia preparty...ill let you know all about it later this week. bye! ...devin ...dmgray@ucs.indiana.edu ..."TriPtoNitE" From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 5 21:58:15 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA04162; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 21:58:15 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA04155; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 21:58:12 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com (ramona.cyborganic.com [140.174.95.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id WAA23630 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 22:11:25 -0600 Received: from [140.174.95.21] (smellen.cyborganic.com [140.174.95.21]) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA29531 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 20:10:20 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 00:18:20 -0800 To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu From: Ellen Steuer Subject: test- delete Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk test `/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/* Ellen Steuer ellen@cyborganic.com "If you fake the Funk, your nose will grow" -Funkencyclo-P-dia From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 5 23:02:29 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id XAA06601; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 23:02:29 -0800 Received: from lulu.acns.nwu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA06596; Sun, 5 Feb 1995 23:02:26 -0800 Received: from [129.105.9.64] (elvex64.acns.nwu.edu) by lulu.acns.nwu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.11/20.3) id AA110854136; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 01:02:16 -0600 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 01:02:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199502060702.AA110854136@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: dps927@nwu.edu (david siska) X-Sender: dps927@lulu.acns.nwu.edu Subject: Re: culture Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Was it hot as an oven in the space or was it my imagination? wow, no foolin' there! but the space was ultra-secure with parking available. i know there's always things that go wrong when organizing an event... this time, there was a problem getting the second floor, so it seemed that two floors worth of people were crammed onto one floor of space. it made for a hot time! but despite the heat/crowding, this party rocked! the space was a storage room -- cleaner than a warehouse -- with ceilings about a story and a half high, again located in the near west side, but this time, away from the major streets somewhat. lighting and visuals were more than adequate... there was a tap in the corner, plenty of smart bars, and port-a-johns. the sound was excellent... the place barely echoed (maybe cuz it was packed like a sardine tin), so the sound was pretty clear the whole way to the back of the room. the first set i caught was delta 9... whoa -- hard and fast as expected! efex made for a welcome change of tempo, what with the heat and all. his acid/ tribal set was just what i wanted to hear. next came dj skull (djax kind of acid/trax), followed by james christian, who gave us a taste of nyc house. the last dj i got to hear was san francisco's dj dan, who let loose with that there trip hop stuff... it was a down-tempo funky-yet-trancy set complete with scratching which sounded quite good to my untrained ear. vibe -- good, lots of friendly people. downers -- lack of room to walk, sit, dance, etc. until 5 am. other phrases that came to mind: drenched with sweat, ceiling dripping with sweat, it's not the heat, it's the humidity, etc. but the party made me happy:) 8) dave/chemdave From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 6 07:20:29 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA21081; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 07:20:29 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA21076; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 07:20:27 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA07821; Mon, 6 Feb 95 09:22:05 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id JAA21554; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 09:18:09 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19359; Mon, 6 Feb 95 09:20:00 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02289; Mon, 6 Feb 95 09:19:59 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502061519.AA02289@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: skipped a beat (fwd) To: abennett@hyperreal.com (Andrew Bennett) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 95 9:19:58 CST Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com, catarrh@engin.umich.edu In-Reply-To: <199502050743.XAA23576@taz.hyperreal.com>; from "Andrew Bennett" at Feb 4, 95 11:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } ** This message was forwarded by Andrew. You have to be a member of } ** mw-raves@hyperreal.com to post to the list. Watch those headers on } ** replies, gang. } AARRRGRGRGGRGRGRHHHHHH! stop roo stop!] *please* ** This message was created by Kurtosis. You have to send everything to ** mw-raves@hyperreal.com and become a memebre of the list over there so ** ole kurtosis doesn't have to filter roo's messages to /dev/null - please ** get off your buts and do it - this is becoming insane! --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- -> "Drawing on my fine command of language, I said nothing." -- R Benchly<- From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 6 07:25:22 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA21331; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 07:25:22 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA21323; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 07:25:18 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com (swissbank.swissbank.com [146.180.1.2]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA14956 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 09:25:15 -0600 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA08046; Mon, 6 Feb 95 09:26:46 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id JAA21705; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 09:22:39 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19557; Mon, 6 Feb 95 09:24:27 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02312; Mon, 6 Feb 95 09:24:26 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502061524.AA02312@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: Too old? To: satti002@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Chris Sattinger) Date: Mon, 6 Feb 95 9:24:25 CST Cc: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu In-Reply-To: <2f348ca720a9002@maroon.tc.umn.edu>; from "Chris Sattinger" at Feb 5, 95 2:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } I talked to some body who used to follow the Grateful Dead in the early } 70s. In 1976, he spotted that it just died. Learn from history ! } (I'm talking about the festival of the Dead , not their awful music) } Hey now! you take that back right this minute! ;-P the dead is a great experience exspeccialy (splet wrong) on tour - the music is immense complicaqted yet flowing (I sound like an infomercial) and the vibe is usually increadable - i've always thought that a rave is like a dead show with the parking lot, the show, the lights, and the afterparty all rolled into one - except you can talk to people in the lot :) --Kurt "going on dead-tour in march" osis -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- -> "Drawing on my fine command of language, I said nothing." -- R Benchly<- From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 6 10:13:17 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA28467; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 10:13:17 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA28461; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 10:13:15 -0800 Received: from alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (synergy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.2]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id MAA00137 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:13:14 -0600 Received: (synergy@localhost) by alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) id MAA13473; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:13:12 -0600 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:13:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Brad Owen (Massive Magazine)" To: Midwest Raves Subject: I thought this was funny. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is part of a message which I found on uk-dance and I thought it was kinda funny...booo yaaaa. hardbag drum and bag - handbag drum and bass handhop handbag hiphop tripbag ... lipdisco ... boglebag ... you're getting the idea now ... trophip gabbabbag ( look its one of those words that is the same forward / backward - ascinonym ?) tripcore whats the next mixmag pigeonhole - do we care ? - do we even read mixmag ? - are we all media-driven zombies, who rate the same clubs, the same DJ's, wear CAT boots, and secretly wish we could buy Zig and Zag's 'Them girls' without all our mates dissing us... jungle is for stupid 14 year olds who can't afford the latest Autechre album. house is for drunk women and people who live north of Watford. acid jazz is for white kent middleclass black-wannabes. triphop is new - excuse me, putting techno sounds on non-vocal 120 bpm hip hop(break) beats doesn't sound anything like hardcore circa '89. SUAD, Sandoz, King Bee... on a serious tip - cziz is one of the best DJ's i have heard in holland, better than remy, Marcello, Eddy de clerq etc In fact I haven't been that impressed with many DJ's in my life, only a few really 'create' but in Holland I rate Ferenc, Cziz and lady Aida is OK. Andy weatherall is a big steaming pile of hype crap. I know a 19 year old from belguim who DJ's better than him bitter aren't I ? peace _____ _ _ _ _ _ __ __ // `` ||_____:: '' :: :: || :: || \ :: \ ((______ || || || ||_____. ||_____. \\____.' || \' \ _______________________________________________________________) -------------------------- ----------------------------------------- - - - Brad J. Owen (Synergy) - - --------- - - - - ------------- - - Quadrasonic Promotions - - --------------- - - Massive Magazine - - --- ------- --- - - - - - ----- - - - Milwaukee, Wisconsin - - --- - - - - - - - synergy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu - - - - - -------------------------- ----------------------------------------- From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 6 10:39:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA29661; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 10:39:19 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA29656; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 10:39:17 -0800 From: venn@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0rbYLr-0000JrC; Mon, 6 Feb 95 12:39 CST Message-Id: Subject: anyone go to Arctic? To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:39:54 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 263 I missed the very party I had recommended with such confidence... Arctic, last Sat. in Chicago. Did anyone from the list go? If so, please post a review. I'd especially like to know what the up-and-coming Detroit DJ Twan spun, and how Bileebob was. Thanks, Venn From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 6 11:03:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA01291; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:03:19 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA01283; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:03:16 -0800 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (groovee@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id NAA05384 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 13:03:16 -0600 Received: (groovee@localhost) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) id NAA00543; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 13:03:13 -0600 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 13:03:13 -0600 (CST) From: Frank Edward Connelly To: multiple recipients Subject: Love Generator Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My friend and I need a ride to Love Generator. If anyone knows of possible transportation to St.Louis this weekend please respond. thanks a bunch. frankie/groovee From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 6 11:20:05 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA02288; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:20:05 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA02283; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:20:02 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.203.92]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01280; Mon, 6 Feb 95 11:21:42 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14413; Mon, 6 Feb 95 11:21:41 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14256; Mon, 6 Feb 95 13:21:18 CST Date: Mon, 6 Feb 95 13:21:18 CST Message-Id: <9502061921.AA14256@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: Arctic small review Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk didn't make it to csd.uwm.edu :) >To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu >From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) >Subject: Arctic small review >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >well, went to Arctic saturday night, and mmmh what can I say, first C+/Flavor >deception. I always loved that space at 218 N.Laflin, but a few things were >wrong: >1) I have never been searched so thoroughly by a hired cop. He went thru >everything from socks to cigarettes packs etc... oh well, I always thought that >the cops-promoters understanding was to look especially for weapons and >dangerous items... >2) the lighting: the set-up was nice, with star-like craft-lights and two >oil-projectors (one of them was still though), and a nice dj console... I like >the idea of not spending uch money on lights, BUT. It was too damn bright! I >felt like I was in a post-office christmas party. Just gimme a fog-machine and >a couple of strobes and maybe a cheap Vertigo, and turn all the other lights >off... >3) the DJs: I expected more from Detroit headliners Bileebob and Twan. They >both did some good mixes and played good tunes (although nothing original), but >they fucked up much too often for headliners, IMHO. I'm sure they were in one >of those "bad nights" cauz I heard good things about them... next time maybe. >Then Lego came on and did a mediocre set (not the mixes but the tunes, much to >club-oriented, as if he was spinning at the Red Dog). Then BPM came on and he >was good, at least until we left. Note that all djs had to deal with: >4) the sound system: shit this one was loud as hell, wonderfully loud, one of >the loudest sound throughout the room, so loud people had to cover their ears >sometimes. I'm not sure the speakers were located very well, but heh it was >good enough... however the dj set-up had a major problem: a short in a power >cord or something like that, which brought the sound down about a halh-dozen >times, and that was annoying, for us as well as for the djs... > >so, we left around 4:40-5am, there was maybe 40 people left in there. Too bad. >Not the promoters fault, they sure wanted to do good with such a big sound and >all that decoration, but the fact that lots of people got their shit confiscated >by the "friendly security", the dj didn't do a very good work at "cheering'em >up" :) etc... made it a not-so-good night. I did have fun and danced a lot and >everything, and people were nice... maybe the after-hours was better. > >bambi >nib@dlogics.com > >ps: went to a small private party friday night (kinda like my attic parties) and >had a lot of fun. It was hosted by Kristin (sp?) and Luc (sp?) and was very >very nice. DJs included Doug, Shawn, Chris Quinn, Jevon Jackson and it was just >great. More of those, more of those! > >pps: How was Culture? > From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 6 11:36:10 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA03216; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:36:10 -0800 Received: from ritz.cec.wustl.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA03208; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 11:36:08 -0800 Received: by ritz.cec.wustl.edu (5.0/ECL-A1.27) id AA28756; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 13:36:07 -0600 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 13:36:06 -0600 (CST) From: Kris Ellen Grotelueschen X-Sender: keg1@ritz To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: pizza generator. . . Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 745 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk since it seems that so many ppl are coming into town for love generator. . .and for the friday night pre-party, i have gotten clearance with my roomates to throw a saturday afternoon pizza party. i will make homemade pizza crusts and you bring whatever toppings you like. . . cheese, pepperoni, pineapple, olives. . .whatever you like bring it and we can make it into a pizza. i haven't set a time for this. . . i'll wait for feed back if ppl are interested. i live close to delmar and st louis's record store, deep grooves, so if you wanna hang out there afterwards you are in the neighboorhood. =) let me know if you are interested and i will get more information out as i know ;) peace and love and hugs to all!!! electric k From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 6 12:57:58 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA07924; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:57:58 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA07916; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 12:57:54 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.203.92]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01033; Mon, 6 Feb 95 12:59:35 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18345; Mon, 6 Feb 95 12:59:32 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22115; Mon, 6 Feb 95 14:59:06 CST Date: Mon, 6 Feb 95 14:59:06 CST Message-Id: <9502062059.AA22115@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: Arctic small review Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk didn't make it to csd.uwm.edu :) >To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu >From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) >Subject: Arctic small review >Cc: >Bcc: >X-Attachments: > >well, went to Arctic saturday night, and mmmh what can I say, first C+/Flavor >deception. I always loved that space at 218 N.Laflin, but a few things were >wrong: >1) I have never been searched so thoroughly by a hired cop. He went thru >everything from socks to cigarettes packs etc... oh well, I always thought that >the cops-promoters understanding was to look especially for weapons and >dangerous items... >2) the lighting: the set-up was nice, with star-like craft-lights and two >oil-projectors (one of them was still though), and a nice dj console... I like >the idea of not spending uch money on lights, BUT. It was too damn bright! I >felt like I was in a post-office christmas party. Just gimme a fog-machine and >a couple of strobes and maybe a cheap Vertigo, and turn all the other lights >off... >3) the DJs: I expected more from Detroit headliners Bileebob and Twan. They >both did some good mixes and played good tunes (although nothing original), but >they fucked up much too often for headliners, IMHO. I'm sure they were in one >of those "bad nights" cauz I heard good things about them... next time maybe. >Then Lego came on and did a mediocre set (not the mixes but the tunes, much to >club-oriented, as if he was spinning at the Red Dog). Then BPM came on and he >was good, at least until we left. Note that all djs had to deal with: >4) the sound system: shit this one was loud as hell, wonderfully loud, one of >the loudest sound throughout the room, so loud people had to cover their ears >sometimes. I'm not sure the speakers were located very well, but heh it was >good enough... however the dj set-up had a major problem: a short in a power >cord or something like that, which brought the sound down about a halh-dozen >times, and that was annoying, for us as well as for the djs... > >so, we left around 4:40-5am, there was maybe 40 people left in there. Too bad. >Not the promoters fault, they sure wanted to do good with such a big sound and >all that decoration, but the fact that lots of people got their shit confiscated >by the "friendly security", the dj didn't do a very good work at "cheering'em >up" :) etc... made it a not-so-good night. I did have fun and danced a lot and >everything, and people were nice... maybe the after-hours was better. > >bambi >nib@dlogics.com > >ps: went to a small private party friday night (kinda like my attic parties) and >had a lot of fun. It was hosted by Kristin (sp?) and Luc (sp?) and was very >very nice. DJs included Doug, Shawn, Chris Quinn, Jevon Jackson and it was just >great. More of those, more of those! > >pps: How was Culture? > From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 6 13:37:46 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA10101; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 13:37:46 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA10095; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 13:37:44 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.203.92]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01643; Mon, 6 Feb 95 13:39:25 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19778; Mon, 6 Feb 95 13:39:22 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25647; Mon, 6 Feb 95 15:38:56 CST Date: Mon, 6 Feb 95 15:38:56 CST Message-Id: <9502062138.AA25647@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: THIS IS NOT A TEST Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk it's just a post to give a hug to everybody on the new mw-raves. If anybody gets this hug, can they send me a hug back please. Thank you. Once again, THIS IS NOT A TEST :P bambi nib@dlogics.com From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 6 17:15:02 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id RAA22035; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 17:15:02 -0800 Received: from infochi.infochi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA22025; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 17:14:51 -0800 Received: by infochi.infochi.com id AA27290 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com); Mon, 6 Feb 1995 19:16:11 -0600 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 1995 20:12:06 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Shea Subject: Culture To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well...now that our new home has the roof on, and the water running... in case nobody has said so (I'm sure someone has, but I haven't gotten any mw-raves mail since Saturday), Culture last Saturday night in Chicago was kickin!!! The space was pretty good, although more than the one big room might have been nice. There were two porta-potties, which had long lines but is a lot better than none at all. The visuals were quite good. The sound system had, to my ears, very loud top end but was a bit short on the bass. DJs...well, we got there while Gonzo was playing. He was okay. Efex was just outstanding, as was DJ Skull. James Christian from NYC was outstanding, and really ripped it up. DJ Dan from San Francisco was good too, and very popular. We left near the end of his set, around 5:30 or so, and missed Miles Maeda (sob!) and the afterhours. All in all, an outstanding evening; it was very crowded, but the vibe was very good. Went with mw-ravers Todd Merrill and Steve Huntley...was anybody else there? Laterz, Stu From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 6 18:33:15 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id SAA26575; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 18:33:15 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA26566; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 18:33:11 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by AC.GRIN.EDU (PMDF V4.3-9 #4381) id <01HMQPE43IBK8Y6547@AC.GRIN.EDU>; Mon, 06 Feb 1995 20:06:51 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 06 Feb 1995 20:06:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) Subject: Love Generator '95 To: MW-RAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Message-id: <01HMQPE43IBM8Y6547@AC.GRIN.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Oh woe and dispair... my ride bailed on me... I cannot get to Love GEnerator without YOUR help.... I'm in Grinnell Ia, Midway between Des MOines and Iowa City If you, someone you know, or the alien reconisance team is traveling through this merry flat state, please PLEASE give me a ride...I can offer great conversation and a promise that I won't sing the theme to the brady bunch (as well as gas money) I'd REALLY REALLY appreciate it.... TIgger (515-269-3634....cammarat@ac.grin.edu) From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 6 20:39:57 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA01679; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 20:39:57 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA01673; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 20:39:53 -0800 Received: from [140.174.95.21] (smellen.cyborganic.com [140.174.95.21]) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA10752 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 20:38:18 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 00:46:23 -0800 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: Ellen Steuer Subject: love generator net meet Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi guys! it seems as though sooooo many people from the list are planning to be at love generator this saturday! i am soooo psyched to meet all of you that i haven't met yet! it has been a long time since i went to a net meet at a party. i know kris is planning the pizza deal for saturday afternoon and i think it is a wonderful idea. i know a lot of people aren't leaving their respective cities in time to make pizza generator for work or whatever reason. so i was hoping we could do the old school net meet...1:00...delirium booth kinda thang. i would say smart bar but i will probably be at the delirium booth and this is my post:) so be there with your mw badge and all that fun stuff and smiles and all that. my mom bought me these groovy little stickers in the shape of hearts like the valentines candy. each sticker has a little message on it like the candy hearts do for example "you're swell" or "hug me" and all that cheesy stuff. i hope i remember to hand those out so you'll know its me:) see you all saturday!! l8r ellen p.s. i need a new .sig. suggestions anyone? `/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/* Ellen Steuer ellen@cyborganic.com "If you fake the Funk, your nose will grow" -Funkencyclo-P-dia From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 6 22:42:31 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id WAA06003; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:42:31 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA05995; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:42:27 -0800 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu (root@maroon.tc.umn.edu [128.101.118.21]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA25838 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 00:42:29 -0600 Received: from dialup-3-236.gw.umn.edu by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Tue, 7 Feb 95 00:41:30 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 00:42:36 -0600 To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu From: satti002@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Chris Sattinger) Subject: Re: slippery snakes, the art of parties Message-Id: <2f37161b6e68002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Okay, about the age thing that has been tossed around for awhile >in 'food for thought'-- specifically ageism -- I think >that in reality 'the scene' (and right now I feel like I'm having one >of those never ending conversations that I always seem to be having with >my girlfriend(s) about 'the relationship' , I find that the stuff I deal with in life gets >heavier and more intense and I would personally like to see my >world reflect that. I would like to see my raves to be spiritual >happenings, group artistic experiences and places for mutual >supportive psychadelic exploration. This I feel strongly. I am looking to start throwing parties soon, and the emphasis will be what I personally like and know will work with a medium size group of people. I find that most raves that I go to fall far short in terms of set up. Usually a big fucking sound system and a lot of rad djs and oooh toss is a lot of drugs and something strange will happen, but I appreciate when someone throws a party and really works to shape the experience. Richie and co.'s Detroit parties are quite planned out, with little tricks and surprises set up, but I want even more. I am looking for really bizarre video that might actually involve you more than endless swirling fractal type stuff. This might perhaps attract a slightly different crowd than the wave your hands in the air and scream girl or the thrash the speaker hail the mighty 303 crowd, and that is how I personally shape who (or what) turns up, not by age limits or bouncers (like clubs). > >I dunno. I've been feeling disillusioned with rave lately because it >seems to be just a bunch of vacuous mind fucking when I used to believe >it was the cutting edge of an earnest search for truth. Stop being a consumer and be a participant. I'm not >ready to quit yet. As far as the age thing goes, I think older people >need to hang around to help guide the younger people and we have to try >and connect with our parents and shit too. That is debatable. :) > >peace, >Mark Josef >Brain Pharm Prod. Chris Sattinger _ MONO ekagra From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 6 22:53:01 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id WAA06303; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:53:01 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA06289; Mon, 6 Feb 1995 22:52:58 -0800 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu (root@maroon.tc.umn.edu [128.101.118.21]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA28393 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 00:52:58 -0600 Received: from dialup-3-236.gw.umn.edu by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Tue, 7 Feb 95 00:52:00 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 00:53:06 -0600 To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu From: satti002@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Chris Sattinger) Subject: Re: The Greatful Death Message-Id: <2f37189172a2002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >} >} I talked to some body who used to follow the Grateful Dead in the early >} 70s. In 1976, he spotted that it just died. Learn from history ! >} (I'm talking about the festival of the Dead , not their awful music) >} >Hey now! you take that back right this minute! ;-P > >the dead is a great experience exspeccialy (splet wrong) on tour - the >music is immense complicaqted yet flowing (I sound like an infomercial) >and the vibe is usually increadable - i've always thought that a rave >is like a dead show with the parking lot, the show, the lights, and the >afterparty all rolled into one - except you can talk to people in the >lot :) > But, according to my eyewitnesses, before 1976 when that album came out (amer beauty ?), they didn't have this mainstream weekend deadhead following. Before that it was real hardcore, really cutting edge way of life ! Imagine 1973 on tour with the dead : We would have done it ! The VWs , the hand made clothes, paraquat on your pot, lots of psychics and dropping out still made sense (before it got all commercialised, slacker ? ) Now you see all these frat kids with their beer coolers and their store bought silkscreened tie-dies. I'm not saying you can't have a bit of fun. > >--Kurt "going on dead-tour in march" osis > >-> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- >-> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- >-> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- >-> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- >-> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- >-> "Drawing on my fine command of language, I said nothing." -- R Benchly<- Chris Sattinger _ MONO ekagra From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 7 03:49:35 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id DAA14489; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:49:35 -0800 Received: from relay4.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA14484; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 03:49:32 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP id QQycax11169; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 06:49:19 -0500 Received: by iglou.iglou.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0rboOj-0001yRC; Tue, 7 Feb 95 06:47 EST Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 06:47:57 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Ramsey X-Sender: evolve@iglou To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Evolution's next event Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The next evolution event in louisville will be march 25. the title is tentatively Orgasm a celebration of spring. djs include Frankie Bones Sho Chip B Droid and others This event will be bust free. Uplift was the first and last evolution party to be busted. peace Tim ImSmartRU/Evolution productions From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 7 06:04:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id GAA17982; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 06:04:19 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA17976; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 06:04:16 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0rbqXP-0000JuC; Tue, 7 Feb 95 08:05 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: re: .sig files To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:05:02 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 165 Forwarded message: ::From: Ellen Steuer :: ::p.s. i need a new .sig. suggestions anyone? Nah, skip it. .sig files are passe'. - stevenJ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 7 07:04:16 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA20190; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 07:04:16 -0800 Received: from sirius.engin.umich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA20182; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 07:04:13 -0800 Received: (catarrh@localhost) by sirius.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id KAA06211; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 10:04:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 10:02:36 -0400 (EDT) From: mike wong Subject: group hugs To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9502062138.AA25647@dlogics.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > it's just a post to give a hug to everybody on the new mw-raves. If anybody > bambi > > aw, how sweet. group hugs are therapeutic! here's another big one. *hug* From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 7 07:23:14 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA20818; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 07:23:14 -0800 Received: from VM.NMU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA20811; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 07:23:10 -0800 Received: from NMU.EDU by VM.NMU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6164; Tue, 07 Feb 95 10:22:14 EST Message-Id: <07FEB95.11198825.0088.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 95 10:22:09 EST From: "Murray, John P" To: Subject: Re[2]: slippery snakes, the art of parties X-Mailer: MUSIC/SP V3.1.1 In-Reply-To: In reply to your message of MON 06 FEB 1995 13:42:36 EST Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I sez, >>I would like to see my raves to be spiritual >>happenings, group artistic experiences and places for mutual >>supportive psychadelic exploration. Chris S. replies, >I am looking for really >bizarre video that might actually involve you more than endless swirling >fractal type stuff. You should check out the new Brain Farmer video mix "Youth In Synaesthaesia" which is making the rounds (if someone wants to send me a blank video tape w/ return postage I'll make them a free copy, e-mail me for my address :) I'm looking towards developing more of an art happening kinda scene. Something where you really don't know what is going to go down next. I think that is how rave came to be in the first place then it started getting all caught up in the formula we all know so well. And I sez, >>it all >>seems to be just a bunch of vacuous mind fucking when I used to believe >>it was the cutting edge of an earnest search for truth. Chris S. replies, >Stop being a consumer and be a participant. Who do you think provided the free visuals at RUSTIC and UPSIDE DOWN along with practically free shows at DEE DAY, HOME, BALANCE, JOURNEY INTO HARDCORE, OBLIVION and RITUAL? --all of which I had a great time doing, fuck, the best times of my life, but now I want something with more substance. Phone home, Mark Josef Brain Farmer Productions jmurray@nmu.edu From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 7 07:33:27 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA21146; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 07:33:27 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA21140; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 07:33:25 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0rbrvf-0000JuC; Tue, 7 Feb 95 09:34 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: tape offer (yeah, right) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:34:09 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 705 A friend of mine lent me a tape a few months ago. I didn't listen to it until this morning; very enlightening. it's Jello Baiffra ranting and raving about our wonderful united states and its government. Some is speeches by him and most is songs. One of the speeches got him locked up in prison for quite some time. Interesting, no? The tape is kinda like an audio zine. What's my point? I'd be willing to make copies of this for anyone interested. Either: 1) send me a tape and a buck for postage or 2) send a few bucks with your address and I'll pick up a tape for you and make a copy Reply back to me if you're interested and I'll give you my home address in private e-mail. - stevenJ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 7 07:36:49 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA21316; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 07:36:49 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA21309; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 07:36:47 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.203.92]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00339; Tue, 7 Feb 95 07:38:27 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07242; Tue, 7 Feb 95 07:38:24 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29871; Tue, 7 Feb 95 09:38:06 CST Date: Tue, 7 Feb 95 09:38:06 CST Message-Id: <9502071538.AA29871@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com, nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski), nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski), "Jennifer L Bowman" , Nicolas Bamberski , Leigh Heather Simmons , nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski), adamgold@interaccess.com (Adam Goldstein), nib@dlogics.com, Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata), nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski), Rebecca Jill Maslow , nib@dlogics.com, UPFCLARK@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU, nib@dlogics.com, Nate Goldbaum , nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski), Ellen Steuer , nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski), telford1@egr.msu.edu, mw-raves@hyperreal.com, mike wong , nib@dlogics.com, "Kirk Mona" From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: thanks for all the hugs Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I didn't exepect less from you freaks! hope to see all of ya in chicago soon, when you stop by, call (312) 918 9087. bambi From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 7 08:52:27 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA25304; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:52:27 -0800 Received: from babbage.ece.uc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA25260; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 08:52:05 -0800 Received: from ddt.eng.uc.edu (ddt.eng.uc.edu [129.137.189.200]) by babbage.ece.uc.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id LAA20742 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 11:51:47 -0500 Received: from curly7.occ.uc.edu (curly7.occ.uc.edu [129.137.40.67]) by ddt.eng.uc.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA24031 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 11:50:25 -0500 Received: by curly7.occ.uc.edu (5.0/Spike-2.0) id AA03738; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 11:50:23 +0500 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 11:50:23 -0500 (EST) From: bradley w rolf To: mw-raves Subject: Re: THIS IS NOT A TEST (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 674 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 11:49:34 -0500 (EST) From: bradley w rolf To: Nicolas Bamberski Subject: Re: THIS IS NOT A TEST 1 1 1 1 111 1 1 1 1 11 1 1 1 1 1 11 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1111 1--------1 1 1 1 11 1 1 1 1 11 1 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 11 11 11 11 1 1 11111 1111 From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 7 09:00:25 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA25974; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:00:25 -0800 Received: from infochi.infochi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA25958; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:00:07 -0800 Received: by infochi.infochi.com id AA01554 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 11:00:40 -0600 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:00:20 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Shea Subject: Re: group hugs To: mike wong Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 7 Feb 1995, mike wong wrote: > > > it's just a post to give a hug to everybody on the new mw-raves. If anybody > > bambi > > > > > aw, how sweet. group hugs are therapeutic! > here's another big one. > > *hug* > Hug Tree!!! ************************hug************************ Stu From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 7 09:01:54 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA26114; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:01:54 -0800 Received: from infochi.infochi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA26100; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 09:01:49 -0800 Received: by infochi.infochi.com id AA01569 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 11:03:08 -0600 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:02:44 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Shea Subject: Culture To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well...now that our new home has the roof on, and the water running... in case nobody has said so (I'm sure someone has, but I haven't gotten any mw-raves mail since Saturday), Culture last Saturday night in Chicago was kickin!!! The space was pretty good, although more than the one big room might have been nice. There were two porta-potties, which had long lines but is a lot better than none at all. The visuals were quite good. The sound system had, to my ears, very loud top end but was a bit short on the bass. DJs...well, we got there while Gonzo was playing. He was okay. Efex was just outstanding, as was DJ Skull. James Christian from NYC was outstanding, and really ripped it up. DJ Dan from San Francisco was good too, and very popular. We left near the end of his set, around 5:30 or so, and missed Miles Maeda (sob!) and the afterhours. All in all, an outstanding evening; it was very crowded, but the vibe was very good. Went with mw-ravers Todd Merrill and Steve Huntley...was anybody else there? Laterz, Stu From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 7 10:36:10 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA01288; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 10:36:10 -0800 Received: from falcon.depaul.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA01278; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 10:36:07 -0800 Received: (goldbaum@localhost) by falcon.depaul.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id SAA14089; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 18:26:46 GMT From: Nate Goldbaum Message-Id: <199502071826.SAA14089@falcon.depaul.edu> Subject: Re: Commune? To: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Date: Tue, 7 Feb 95 12:26:45 CST Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (MidWest Ravers!) In-Reply-To: <9502071542.AA04714@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com>; from "Kurt Vile" at Feb 7, 95 9:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Kurt Vile hey nate - I'd be interested in learning more details of what *exactly* you want to do - drop me a note about what you are thinking about --Kurt It is *exactly* in the development stage, in which you can actively participate f you'd like. I don't want this to be "Nate's Commune" I want it to be *our* group home. Parties -- small, vibey, ranging from house and good techno to spacey (ambient, trip-hop, dub) -- will definitely be involved. I would like to see us eating together and talking about our spiritual and philosophical ideas and development. I most-probably see us living in a house. From the looks of the kind of houses available, 5 people makes the most sense (so this is not going to be *too* crowded or huge). Maybe "Commune" is too grandiose a word to use. But I want us to be more than just roomates. I want the house to have a feeling of collective organization and a tie to the rave/house scene. Is this a little clearer? Feel free to contribute. peace nate From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 7 13:22:32 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA09829; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:22:32 -0800 Received: from MAPLE.ucs.uwplatt.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA09816; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 13:22:24 -0800 From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #4908) id <01HMRNA7DPFQQWXZ7O@uwplatt.edu>; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 12:18:27 CST Date: Tue, 07 Feb 1995 12:18:27 -0600 (CST) Subject: Help. To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HMRNA7DZ2WQWXZ7O@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: MWRAVES MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Would anyone know how I could get in contact with kimm Follett of Rapture fame (other than her old email address)? Anything would be appreciated. Peace out, Ramylson ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke "If we were not here, material 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' events like the passage of the seasons 608.342.3196 would lack even the meager meanings Fun House Productions we are able to muster for them." --Annie Dillard-- ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 7 14:39:06 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA14252; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 14:39:06 -0800 Received: from tron.rs.itd.umich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14244; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 14:39:04 -0800 Received: by tron.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/2.2) id RAA02956; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 17:39:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 17:39:04 -0500 (EST) From: Holly Macdonald - Korth X-Sender: hcmk@tron.rs.itd.umich.edu To: mw-raves Subject: saturday, march 18 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk pre flyer the treetown famillee massive and nexus technologies present all day i dream about dancing march 18 detroit confirmed dj's as of this minute include: miles meada mike huckaby kikoman tim baker sunshyne and more.... this will be a map point event ... more information to come... 810.746.3338 =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= t r e e t o w n f a m i l e e m a s s i v e hcmk@umich.edu mission control: 810.746.3338 n e x u s t e c h n o l o g i e s *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 7 14:40:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA14365; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 14:40:19 -0800 Received: from tron.rs.itd.umich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14356; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 14:40:16 -0800 Received: by tron.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/2.2) id RAA03029; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 17:40:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 17:40:14 -0500 (EST) From: Holly Macdonald - Korth X-Sender: hcmk@tron.rs.itd.umich.edu To: mw-raves Subject: MIKE DEARBORN: READ THIS PLEASE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk mike, could you please email us back...we didn't have your adderss thanx hollee&sam =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= t r e e t o w n f a m i l e e m a s s i v e hcmk@umich.edu mission control: 810.746.3338 n e x u s t e c h n o l o g i e s *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 7 14:54:25 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA15595; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 14:54:25 -0800 Received: from corn.cso.niu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA15590; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 14:54:22 -0800 Received: by corn.cso.niu.edu id AA12029 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 16:54:29 -0600 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 16:54:29 -0600 (CST) From: Sung Shim Subject: Re: MW-Raves-Digest V1 #3 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199502072239.OAA14267@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk all this talkin about gowen to st louis and meetin' everyone makes me wanna go to st louis and meet everyone !!!! --,__ (mRay) z943159@corn.cso.niu.edu From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 7 16:13:55 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA19562; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 16:13:55 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA19555; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 16:13:52 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.9/2.2) id AAA11437; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 00:15:00 GMT Message-Id: <199502080015.AAA11437@mixcom.mixcom.com> Subject: mw-raves calendar info To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 18:14:58 -40975532 (CST) From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1001 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just so you know... The weekly calendar will no longer be mailed out on the mw-raves list. If you want the calendar mailed to you each week, you _must_ subscr1be to the mw-raves-calendar list. If you're reading this, you already know how to subscr1be... just send a message to majordomo@hyperreal.com and give it the command: subscr1be mw-raves-calendar (replacing the 1 with an i) ** Also, so you know... our new list management software was written ** by monkeys -- you can't include the words subscr1be or unsubscr1be ** (the versions with the i, not the 1) anywhere in your messages that ** are to be posted to the list. majordomo will think they're admin ** commands and your message won't be posted. All corrections/additions should still be sent to either me or posted to the mw-raves list (NOT mw-raves-calendar). The calendar is still (and will remain to be) available in the other usual locations in cyberspace. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com, archon@hyperreal.com From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 7 16:36:31 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA21243; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 16:36:31 -0800 Received: from relay4.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA21237; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 16:36:29 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyccw10480; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 19:36:29 -0500 Received: from abennett by iglou.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0rc0N6-0001zNC; Tue, 7 Feb 95 19:35 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: abennett@iglou.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 Feb 1995 19:35:10 -0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) Subject: re: .sig files Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Forwarded message: >::From: Ellen Steuer >:: >::p.s. i need a new .sig. suggestions anyone? > >Nah, skip it. .sig files are passe'. Steve, in his age, has seen a lot of things go "passe'" *duck* Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com Received: from PRISM.DECnet by PO1.Indiana.EDU; id AA13933 (5.65c+jsm/2.5.1jsm); Tue, 7 Feb 1995 19:54:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 95 20:06:03 EST From: TriPtoNitE X-To: PO%"mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com" Subject: UTOPIA 2 PREPARTY To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Its almost time...for everyone coming to BLOOMINGTON for THE SECOND STEP TO UTOPIA...a preparty is being thrown at my place with quite a few net djs. its prolly gonna start around 7pm and go til we leave for the real show. DIRECTIONS... from INDY: take 37 south to BLOOMINGTON get off on the COLLEGE AVENUE EXIT take COLLEGE AVENUE straight to 3RD STREET turn left on 3RD STREET go straight past 2 lights to SOUTH GRANT STREET and turn RIGHT my house is on the right about 6 houses in. Its a big gray building with red doors. go around back and youll find the door to some great music. oh...the address is 346 SOUTH GRANT STREET. from cincy/louisville: take 46 west straight to bloomington 46 west will turn into 3RD STREET take 3RD STREET to SOUTH GRANT STREET and turn left follow same directions as above to find my house. a big, big, huge caravan to LOVE GENERATOR will follow this party. Hope to see you all here in BLOOMINGTON! if not...ill see you in st. louis on saturday!!! ...devin ...dmgray@ucs.indiana.edu ..."TriPtoNitE" From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 7 17:17:51 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id RAA24591; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 17:17:51 -0800 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA24581; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 17:17:48 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyccz10183; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 20:17:41 -0500 Received: from abennett by iglou.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0rc10y-0001ylC; Tue, 7 Feb 95 20:16 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: abennett@iglou.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 07 Feb 1995 20:16:22 -0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) Subject: List Adminstavia Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk 1) As Craig noted, one cannot say "subscr1be" or "unsubscr1be" in posts to the new mw-raves. This is a "feature" such that unsubscription requests won't go out to the list, cluttering your mailboxes with useless junk. 2) There's no need to be on both the digest (mw-raves-digest) and the normal list (mw-raves). They are both the same thing, except that the digest is a collection of posts made to the normal list. This makes easier reading for some, who don't want to get 40 posts a day. Some of you may wish to do this. If you are on both, simply unsubscr1be from the list you don't want to be on. 3) The lists are "mw-raves", "mw-raves-digest", and "mw-raves-calendar". "mw-raves digest" is not the same thing, and an invalid list. *** 4)* A list of subscribers can be retrieved by sending majordomo@hyperreal.com *** a mail message containing the command 'who (list)', where (list) is a valid list name. These subscriber lists can be retrieved at any time by anyone. I think it's possible to conceal one's identity; I will need to look into that. Anyone interested in that, EMAIL ME. There's no real need to post stuff like "Hey Eduardo, send me email about the keg party tonight..." when you can get the list of subscribers yourself and email Eduardo in private, instead of filling 200+ mailboxes. :) 5) A help file can be retrieved from majordomo by sending it a message with the one word: help, on a single line. 6) You will be forcibly removed if email bounces for some time. If you are going on vacation or something, simply unsubscribe for the time being. I get all the bounced email, and I *HATE* reading things in duplicate. :) If any of this is unclear, feel free to email myself or Craig, and we will explain it to you. If you have any list-related questions, feel free to do the same. I'd rather someone ask what seems to be a silly question rather than hear "I didn't know..." Thanks guys. Hope you find this list to be more reliable and stable than it's been in the past. :) Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com Subject: DEPTH PROBE To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thursday, February 9th DEPTH PROBE and REV 105 present EXPANSION in the 1st Avenue Mainroom dj's Lottowinner JT Miss Miss Pike Drone E Tones Cool Cool Joy Boy Earth plus special cameos by FEBRUARY and PROBE recording artist MONO ekagra!!! doors @ 7, all-ages welcome video by Vegabond lighting by Sir Hayes mood and atosphere by the Minneapolis Groove Unit CHAMPION THE SOUND OF LIFE! note: Depth Probe will end around 1:30 due to the fact that the City of Minneapolis is in the middle of trying to pass more curfew laws...therefore 1st Avenue must be very careful with all-age events. From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 04:51:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id EAA00163; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 04:51:19 -0800 Received: from worf.uwsp.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA00157; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 04:51:16 -0800 Received: from worf.uwsp.edu (worf.uwsp.edu [143.236.1.12]) by worf.uwsp.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA01943; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 06:46:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 06:46:02 -0600 (CST) From: Adam Desombre To: Adam Desombre cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: slipmatts In-Reply-To: <07FEB95.11198825.0088.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I've heard felt makes a good slipmatt. Will using circular pieces of felt for slipmatts cause faster wear on one's records? What are commercially available slipmatts made from? thanks... ...adam From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 05:28:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id FAA01310; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 05:28:19 -0800 Received: from ATK.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id FAA01304; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 05:28:14 -0800 Received: from gateway1 by ATK.COM (8.6.9/8.6.9) id HAA29835; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 07:27:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199502081327.HAA29835@ATK.COM> Date: 8 Feb 1995 07:30:20 -0600 From: "Brian Sequira" Subject: Re: DEPTH PROBE To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Subject: RE>DEPTH PROBE Hi JT, hey i got message about Cool Cool, thanks. it took a minute but i recognized the name, you put together radio depth probe for kevin cole. i just got on this list recently, i didn't know you were on, great! I create deep house/techno/high energy dance, are you still doing the send in samples and maybe we'll play'em thing, if so i like to send you some stuff. Peace always 'beak' Brian_Sequira@atk.com >>For the ultimate in Techno/Ambient music<< -watch for bass8 From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 07:25:07 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA05668; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 07:25:07 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA05662; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 07:25:05 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0rcEHH-0000JyC; Wed, 8 Feb 95 09:25 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: test post | ignore To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:25:59 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 16 you heard right From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 07:32:31 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA05960; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 07:32:31 -0800 Received: from worf.uwsp.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA05955; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 07:32:27 -0800 Received: from worf.uwsp.edu (worf.uwsp.edu [143.236.1.12]) by worf.uwsp.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA27067; Tue, 7 Feb 1995 21:47:23 -0600 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 1995 21:47:23 -0600 (CST) From: Adam Desombre To: Adam Desombre cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: slipmatt ??? In-Reply-To: <199502080015.AAA11437@mixcom.mixcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I hear that felt makes a fine slipmatt. Would using some circular pieces of felt be OK? or would the friction wear the vinyl more quickly? what's the standard material that slipmatts are made of? From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 07:59:11 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA07358; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 07:59:11 -0800 Received: from ellen.acad.lawrence.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA07347; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 07:59:05 -0800 Received: from lawrence.edu by lawrence.edu (PMDF V4.3-9 #3646) id <01HMSWH911809VVGZX@lawrence.edu>; Wed, 08 Feb 1995 10:02:52 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 1995 10:02:51 -0600 (CST) From: "JAIL:MARIJUANA'S ONLY BAD EFFECT" Subject: delete if you don't want to hear a funny story... To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HMSWH92NMA9VVGZX@lawrence.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well, this here's a pretty funny story about stupid fuck wisconsin cops: my friend, Bob i'll call him, and my other two friends Dave and Lynn(i'll call them) were on their way from Milwaukee to here with some tablets of MDMA which they needed to sell in order to make rent money, etc... anyway, as they were driving they got pulled over for a very flagrant abuse of the law, no front license plate. Anyway, when "Bob" went to get his regestration out of the glove box his migrane prescription bottle filled with average-grade ecstacy also fell out. The cop was like: "What's in the bottle kid" Bob was like: "oh, that, it's my migrane prescription" The cop was like: "well let me see them" and then Bob gave him this prescription bottle...the cop opened it up and looked at the pilles and said: "why are there moons on the backs of these pills?" Bob replyed: "i dunno, that's just the way they came" so the cop said he was going to have to take the prescription back to his car to be sure it was a real prescription...while my friends sat in their car sweating, the cop checked wioth shop-ko about the prescription and they verifyied a migrane prescription filled for Bob Jones. So, the cop came back to Bob's car and gave back his 30 E and Bob and my friends were back on their way here to make lots of money... the moral of this story is: hope that your friends have a really close call with getting busted so that they will be really happy and give you and your girlfriend free E to celebrate. ________________________________________________________________________________ Peace and Rave the muthafuck ON!!!! FREEBASS in full muthafuckin' effect in '95 From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 08:50:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA10118; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:50:33 -0800 Received: from nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA10112; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 08:50:30 -0800 Received: by nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA07249; Wed, 8 Feb 95 12:04:33 GMT-0500 From: jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (Jennifer Palmer) Message-Id: <9502081704.AA07249@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu> Subject: Net Meet LOVE generator To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:04:26 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 496 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Let it be known I did this for JJ..... since there will be so many netters at love generator JJ is trying to make a space for the net kids to hang out behind the booth....with seating and everything from what he thinks is going to happen.....no forsures on this but there will be a net meeting at 1 at the booth!!!! Hope to see you all at Utopia and I hope I can get to Love Generator!!! bye kiddies -- *Jennifer Palmer* aka Deadbeat jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu or palmerje@miavx1.muohio.edu From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 09:59:50 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA14370; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:59:50 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA14352; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 09:59:45 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.9/2.2) id SAA22455; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 18:00:57 GMT Message-Id: <199502081800.SAA22455@mixcom.mixcom.com> Subject: Culture To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:00:55 -40975532 (CST) From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 6763 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk CULTURE 02.04.95 Chicago It was hot, it was crowded... it was... hot. The overall impresion that I could give you, as a person that went to this party was.. at least from my perspective... a solid party, but sonically dissapointing. Arrived at about 10:30, and apparently was one of the last people to be able to park in the main lot. Got inside, removed the many layers of clothing I was wearing and looked around. Nice, big _clean_ space, but already the place was pretty much full. There were two areas originally agreed up, but just two days before the event the owner of the space informed the promoters that they couldn't use the 2nd area... it had just been carpeted. So jam two rooms of people into one. A makeshift stage area was setup on one side of the space, with speaker blocks arranged on either side. Various vendors lined one side and the back wall... with videos being projected against the other and on a dropcloth hung above the main area. Many many Vipers lined up near the front, but these seemed for the most part drowned out by the several I-beams placed elsewhere. The sound was loud, but not overbearing. As mentioned in a previous review, the highs were screechy and there wasn't that much bass at all. I'm beginning not to care for EV-MT's sound quality, and however this was set up made it even worse. I've never been a person that's big on visuals, but they looked very nice. Neat-o graphic "Culture" logo that would undulate and move around. There was a group of about 60-80 kids that just sat on the floor, facing the screen... like they were watching TV in someone's den. Again, I'll say that I like Vipers... but they seemed pretty pointless with all of those I-beams. When we got there Deneb was just finishing, and Phantom 45 was starting. Sounded good... but I volunteered to go stand outside for a couple hours and direct traffic. While I was out I heard that Delta-9 was on, and was _very_ good. Sorry I missed it... I hadn't heard him spin in I don't know how long. When I got back in EFEX was just finishing up. Man, I tell you... every time I hear him, it sounds better. He's developing a very distinct tribalistic trance sound; I liked it a _lot_. Probably was my favorite set (of what I heard of it) of the night. DJ Skull came on next... he didn't play that long. This is the first time I've heard him. Hard trance/acid. Nothing all that great, insofar as what I heard. James Christian was next. Very cool. Lots of scratching and neat mixing stuff that I can't describe (but noticed). By this time the place had reached maximum capacity... crowdedness and heat included. Just standing there, I had sweat dripping off of my body. Just too damn hot and crowded to dance, for my tastes. The music was good, lots of weird stuff that was fun to listen to. DJ Dan came on at what... about 4 AM? As I should have guessed, this wasn't the Dan I was expecting to hear (like off of his "Funk Mix" tape) but a harder, faster Dan. He still is exceptionally skilled; lots of scratching and neat mixing stuff. In fact, between him and James I probably heard more scratching than I've ever heard at a party. A couple of my friends echoed that, as well. By this time I was just plain hot, drenched, exhausted and more than a little irritable. The music wasn't bad at all... it just wasn't making me move. After Dan was Gonzo. Woody couldn't make the party, and Roy and Dave replaced him with this DJ from NYC. Nice hard trance/acid... the second half of his set really seemed to pick up, musically, and those were the only songs of the night that I really got any tingles off of (besides EFEX's set). The hardness of it seemed to drive off a lot of people... the place cleared out appreicably. Miles was up after Gonzo... I hadn't heard Miles in a long time. His style has changed into a type of hard progressive house. I mean, I liked it... but non-Detroit progressive house is either hit or miss with me... and it was pretty much miss. Nothing against Miles... I've been a fan of his for a long time. It just wasn't what I wanted to hear at that point. After Miles, DJ Kee (from Madison) played for a half hour, and we left during some other guy's set (nobody knew who he was). It seemed that people just kept wanting to get on the tables. There was a guy on one of the speaker stacks who would repeatedly fill up a water jug and then pour/throw/spray it on people dancing in front of the speaker. The first couple times it felt good. After a while it was like dancing in a shower. Later on it became annoying, to the point of me not wanting to dance. Ugh. The promoters didn't want nitrous there, yet some bozos snuck in a tank and immediately had a line that was unmanagable. And where did they set up? Five feet from the only water supply. I asked Roy about it, he said he didn't want them there at all, but if he would go up there at that point and make them leave then he'd look like the big asshole. I understand his reasoning, but it just reinforces some of the vulture images I have in my head regarding tank operators. I don't know what it was... I think I broke a cardinal rule of mine. I had a lot of expectations for this party. Anytime I do that, I'm let down. If I go into something like this expecting nothing, I'm always surprised and usually very pleased. :) I was hot and tired and physically very uncomfortable. The music just... well... it wasn't _great_. There's nothing wrong with that; this was a very good party, and Dave and Roy have something they can be very proud of. I just wasn't getting into it. Maybe I'm spoiling myself by driving all around and following my favorite DJ's... following my favorite group of people around... _you_. Most of you weren't there. I _missed_ you. Yes, the people in Chicago were friendly, energetic, open and all that... but well, something wasn't quite the same. I was looking for that same feeling I had in Indy. It wasn't there. And during the night I was wondering if it's just me that's not being open to what's there, or what was there was something that I felt I wasn't interested in being open to. For most of the night, especially as it went on... I found myself thinking about you guys more and more. I wished you were there. I wished I was wherever you were. I wished we were _together_. Yeah, together. That word has a nice feel to it. Maybe that's the most important thing that I was missing. A feeling of togetherness. Due to $$$ problems I won't be in St. Louis, but I'll definately be thinking about you guys. Take care of yourself, be good to each other, and let me know how everything went down... -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com, archon@hyperreal.com From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 11:44:05 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA20945; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 11:44:05 -0800 Received: from mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA20935; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 11:43:58 -0800 Received: by mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/02Aug94-8.2MPM) id AA17803; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 13:43:58 -0600 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 13:43:57 -0600 (CST) From: Suicidal Lemming Subject: Overeasy... To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk are we meeting at perkins before?? i have a previous commitment but should be done by 7. also...i believe that tickets are going on sale early sat evening....do we still want to meet at 7 or would 8 be better? i will be leaving here thurs night **hopefully** to get to depth probe, if not will be in the cities fri afternoon. love ya'll ooodles and ooooodles mouse // \ / \ ___ ____ ___ // \ || | || | || || ****beatPHREAKsociety**** // /\ /\ \ || | || | --- ||--- honmyhr@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu // / \ \ ||___| ||___| ____| ||___ honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 11:54:59 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA21716; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 11:54:59 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA21710; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 11:54:55 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.9/2.2) id TAA27831; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 19:56:09 GMT Message-Id: <199502081956.TAA27831@mixcom.mixcom.com> Subject: Check your spelling... To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 13:56:07 -40975532 (CST) From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 313 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Please make sure to spell everything correctly when un/subscr1bing to a list: mw-raves mw-raves-digest mw-raves-calendar ...and note that including your address at the end isn't necessary. The majordomo software can figure out who you are. :) -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com, archon@hyperreal.com From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 12:04:42 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA22624; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:04:42 -0800 Received: from infochi.infochi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA22615; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:04:37 -0800 Received: by infochi.infochi.com id AA09507 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Wed, 8 Feb 1995 14:05:46 -0600 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 15:04:52 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Shea Subject: Re: Culture To: "Craig L. Stodolenak" Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199502081800.SAA22455@mixcom.mixcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 8 Feb 1995, Craig L. Stodolenak wrote: > CULTURE 02.04.95 Chicago > Maybe I'm spoiling myself by driving all around and following my favorite > DJ's... following my favorite group of people around... _you_. Most of > you weren't there. I _missed_ you. Yes, the people in Chicago were > friendly, energetic, open and all that... but well, something wasn't > quite the same. I was looking for that same feeling I had in Indy. It > wasn't there. And during the night I was wondering if it's just me > that's not being open to what's there, or what was there was something > that I felt I wasn't interested in being open to. > > For most of the night, especially as it went on... I found myself > thinking about you guys more and more. I wished you were there. I > wished I was wherever you were. I wished we were _together_. Yeah, > together. That word has a nice feel to it. Maybe that's the most > important thing that I was missing. A feeling of togetherness. sorry we didn't meet up! Next time. Stu From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 12:36:02 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA24755; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:36:02 -0800 Received: from rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA24744; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 12:35:59 -0800 Received: by rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18539; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 14:35:36 -0600 From: smmcfar@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Shannon M. Mcfarland) Message-Id: <9502082035.AA18539@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Subject: Re: Check your spelling... To: Craig.Stodolenak@mixcom.com Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 14:35:36 -0600 (CST) Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199502081956.TAA27831@mixcom.mixcom.com> from "Craig L. Stodolenak" at Feb 8, 95 01:56:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 227 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Please make sure to spell everything correctly when un/subscr1bing to a > list: Craig, maybe you should check your own spelling=) I don't think there is a 1 in subscribe... call me crazy. *peace and love* shannon From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 13:08:07 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA26558; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 13:08:07 -0800 Received: from m-net148.arbornet.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA26542; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 13:08:03 -0800 Received: by m-net148.arbornet.org (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0rcJc7-000hbQC; Wed, 8 Feb 95 16:07 WET Message-Id: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 95 16:07 WET From: digiworx@m-net.arbornet.org (Jonas Truman) To: honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu, mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Overeasy... Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well shucks darn ... :) this mailer works! Saturda sounds cool to me, and asa side note - all the beatPHREAKsociety peoples; there's a meeting planned for *friday night at roughly 7pm to figure out what the hell to do about stuff :) Seeya phukks at overeasy! earache gabberUPMYbuttb beatPHREAKsociety From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 14:22:50 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA01517; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 14:22:50 -0800 Received: from orion.it.luc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA01509; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 14:22:47 -0800 Received: by orion.it.luc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA121067; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 16:21:45 -0600 From: vshuman@orion.it.luc.edu (Valery M. Shuman) Message-Id: <9502082221.AA121067@orion.it.luc.edu> Subject: I finally say Hello To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 16:21:40 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 686 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well Hello everyone, I am fairly new to the list but I have just been reading the posts in silence for awhile. I finally mustered up the courage to post to the list and say hello to you all. In fact, I hope to meet some of you if I end up going to St. Louis this weekend, which is still up in the air. I did meet a few of you on vrave though, but I would really like to meet ALL of you at a party some time, whether it be Love Generator this weekend or TRANCE LOGIC 2 next weekend here in my place of residence, CHICAGO! So anyway, oh, my name is Valery and I look forward to meeting you all, let me know if you would like to meet up and where! :)Keep the Vibe Alive:) From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 14:58:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA04100; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 14:58:33 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA04086; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 14:58:28 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0rcLM1-0000JyC; Wed, 8 Feb 95 16:59 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: re: a funny story To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 16:59:18 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 989 Forwarded message: ::From: "JAIL:MARIJUANA'S ONLY BAD EFFECT" :: :: the moral of this story is: hope that your friends have a really close call :: with getting busted so that they will be really happy and give you and your girlfriend free E to celebrate. It is? I was thinking of something a bit more harsh, but that's just me. I would never wish something like this on anybody, especially a friend. Maybe they learned traveling long-distance (even Milw. to Chi.) with drugs on hand is asking for trouble, especially if one is really dressed to the nines in rave gear. I know it's a free country, but the cops know the score to a certain extent. I know of some people who were pulled over simply because they looked like 'party people'. I guess the cops were just itching to find drugs. Luckily they knew how to deal with a cop trying to violate their civil rights. the real moral: know the law and how to keep those in power, in check - stevenJ From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 15:06:24 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA04631; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 15:06:24 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA04625; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 15:06:21 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.9/2.2) id XAA08018; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 23:07:37 GMT Message-Id: <199502082307.XAA08018@mixcom.mixcom.com> Subject: Re: a funny story To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 17:07:36 -40975532 (CST) From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" In-Reply-To: from "stevenJ" at Feb 8, 95 04:59:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 649 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > :: the moral of this story is: hope that your friends have a really close call > :: with getting busted so that they will be really happy and give you and your girlfriend free E to celebrate. > > friend. Maybe they learned traveling long-distance (even Milw. to > Chi.) with drugs on hand is asking for trouble, especially if one is > really dressed to the nines in rave gear. > > the real moral: know the law and how to keep those in power, in check I would think an even more important lesson is not to get yourself in a situation where you have to sell drugs to make rent. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com, archon@hyperreal.com From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 15:13:04 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA05140; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 15:13:04 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA05131; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 15:12:59 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0rcLa8-0000JyC; Wed, 8 Feb 95 17:13 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: re: a funny story To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 17:13:54 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 436 Forwarded message: ::From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" :: ::I would think an even more important lesson is not to get yourself in a ::situation where you have to sell drugs to make rent. Or not to travel with the drugs in the glove compartment. Bury them in the trunk under EVERYthing, sealed in 5 or 6 plastic bags. Believe that the worst can happen as far as getting pulled over is concerned. - stevenJ From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 15:22:02 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA05603; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 15:22:02 -0800 Received: from grfn.ORG by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA05584; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 15:21:56 -0800 Received: from freenet.grfn.org by grfn.ORG (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1) id SAA00161; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 18:20:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 18:20:44 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan Hines To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: For Sale/Trade: Roland SH-101 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well since i had someone buy my 606 pronto from mw-raves (thank you, adam =) i decided i'd post this little beast as well. here follows the "form" ad message: hi.... I have a Roland SH-101 synth for sale/trade. I would prefer to trade for a Juno-106 or similar synth, but I am open to offers to buy. The 101 is in *very* good condition (I am the original owner) cosmetically and works perfect except for one output that shorts occasionally (this hasn't ever been a problem for me, since it has two outputs). The synth is grey; I have the manual, the original box/packing material, the Roland/Boss A/C adapter (not the buzzing all-purpose kind), and the modulation grip (for strapping the 101 on). I will (obviously) include all of these accessories with it. mail me if you're interested @: tr909@grfn.org thanks...... ryan. tr909@grfn.org Channel ** tr909/time is passing..... thanks again.... token mw-raves content> anything up in the detroit/ann arbor area soon? anyone checking out the party on the 11th? From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 15:46:24 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA07050; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 15:46:24 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA07041; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 15:46:21 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by AC.GRIN.EDU (PMDF V4.3-9 #4381) id <01HMTBYXMMR48Y6XVJ@AC.GRIN.EDU>; Wed, 08 Feb 1995 17:15:09 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 08 Feb 1995 17:15:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) Subject: Love Generator 95 To: MW-RAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Message-id: <01HMTBYXMMR68Y6XVJ@AC.GRIN.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk well... it looks like I'm gonna make it there!!! YEAH!!!!! I'll see all ya'll goofy asses there on Saturday!!! YEAH!!!!! Tigger From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 8 19:57:09 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA20530; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 19:57:09 -0800 Received: from london.physics.purdue.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA20524; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 19:57:05 -0800 Received: from london.physics.purdue.edu (sho@localhost) by london.physics.purdue.edu (8.6.8.1/3.0-LD) id XAA06237; Wed, 8 Feb 1995 23:00:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199502090400.XAA06237@london.physics.purdue.edu> From: Sho Kuwamoto Subject: AtmospheriC AudiochaiR 2/12/95 in Chicago (fwd) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 8 Feb 1995 23:00:23 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 760 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Forwarded message: >From kmzzz@mcs.com Wed Feb 8 22:47:54 1995 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 08 Feb 1995 21:46:48 -0600 From: kmzzz@mcs.com (Kevin Martin) To: sho@physics.purdue.edu Subject: AtmospheriC AudiochaiR 2/12/95 in Chicago Hello, I'm not sure if you're familiar with our ambient parties but I was hoping you could spread the word for us. Peace and Thanks, Kevin _____ Kevin Martin (Shameless self-promotion) Airtight HitIt and you present the return of AtmospheriC Audio chaiR -an evening of ambient music Sunday, Feb 12, 1995 right door chicago,il 312-604-1833 8pm dj's Tom Pazen Miles Maeda Josh Werner Mystic bill and special guest from Astralwerks ny DJ Orion Please bring your good Karma and a positive mindset. From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 9 04:51:18 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id EAA08631; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 04:51:18 -0800 Received: from pong.rs.itd.umich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA08625; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 04:51:15 -0800 Received: by pong.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/2.2) id HAA02260; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 07:48:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 07:48:02 -0500 (EST) From: Holly Macdonald - Korth X-Sender: hcmk@pong.rs.itd.umich.edu To: "Craig L. Stodolenak" cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: a funny story In-Reply-To: <199502082307.XAA08018@mixcom.mixcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= t r e e t o w n f a m i l e e m a s s i v e hcmk@umich.edu mission control: 810.746.3338 n e x u s t e c h n o l o g i e s *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* On Wed, 8 Feb 1995, Craig L. Stodolenak wrote: > > I would think an even more important lesson is not to get yourself in a > situation where you have to sell drugs to make rent. > initially my response to this was "word up", knowhatimsayin'? but, the more i think about, if it wasn't for doing that, some of us would be on the street cause your boy, big brother, or whatever "it"'s called these days, has shit in such a fukked up, twisted, man i don't know; i better stop before it gets ugly. in short all i'm saying is that in most cases, your freindly neighborhood e dealer is the prophet in a weird sort of way, for that eternal quest for true happiness and self-love and just plain love and whatever...i sound like a fool... peace to your nation-the house nation samme sunshyne From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 9 04:51:32 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id EAA08656; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 04:51:32 -0800 Received: from pong.rs.itd.umich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA08647; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 04:51:29 -0800 Received: by pong.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/2.2) id HAA02291; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 07:48:50 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 07:48:49 -0500 (EST) From: Holly Macdonald - Korth X-Sender: hcmk@pong.rs.itd.umich.edu To: stevenJ cc: mw-raves Subject: re: a funny story In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk once again..... word up to that! sunshyne =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= t r e e t o w n f a m i l e e m a s s i v e hcmk@umich.edu mission control: 810.746.3338 n e x u s t e c h n o l o g i e s *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* On Wed, 8 Feb 1995, stevenJ wrote: > Forwarded message: > ::From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" > :: > ::I would think an even more important lesson is not to get yourself in a > ::situation where you have to sell drugs to make rent. > > Or not to travel with the drugs in the glove compartment. Bury them > in the trunk under EVERYthing, sealed in 5 or 6 plastic bags. Believe > that the worst can happen as far as getting pulled over is concerned. > > > - stevenJ > From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 9 06:48:27 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id GAA12491; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 06:48:27 -0800 Received: from silver.ucs.indiana.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA12486; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 06:48:25 -0800 Received: by silver.ucs.indiana.edu (5.65c+/10jsm) id AA25382; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 09:48:20 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 09:48:19 -0500 (EST) From: kyle burress Subject: uhhhhh? To: mw-raves Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk confused From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 9 11:26:39 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA24216; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:26:39 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA24209; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 11:26:35 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.9/2.2) id TAA27398; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 19:27:16 GMT Message-Id: <199502091927.TAA27398@mixcom.mixcom.com> Subject: Re: a funny story To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 13:27:15 -40975532 (CST) From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" In-Reply-To: from "Holly Macdonald - Korth" at Feb 9, 95 07:48:02 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3330 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hcmk@umich.edu: > > I would think an even more important lesson is not to get yourself in a > > situation where you have to sell drugs to make rent. > > initially my response to this was "word up", knowhatimsayin'? but, the > more i think about, if it wasn't for doing that, some of us would be on > the street cause your boy, big brother, or whatever "it"'s called these > days, has shit in such a fukked up, twisted, man i don't know; i better > stop before it gets ugly. Yes, on one hand I totally agree with you. On the other, I see frightened kids betting their future on a couple hundered dollars of profit every weekend. Very attractive, but not worth it. Since my unemployment I've been offered by _several_ people to sell drugs. It's very easy money. I could only sell small quantities at time, so if I got caught I could dump whatever I had at minimal loss. It's not like I'd be "pushing" the stuff on kids. I used the stuff myself, I wouldn't be turning anyone into a junkie. It's _very_ easy money. Yeah, and I get caught that one time and my ass is in the toilet. You're right on, when you say that things are fucked up and twisted out there. It's rough enough for me to have any kind of financial future as it is -- becoming a felon sure as hell wouldn't help. I'm not trying to diss anyone here or that I know off the net. It's just that I see waaaay too many kids start doing it a little here and there to make some extra money. After a while they get a bit short on bills, and start depending on the cash they're going to get this weekend. Keep going, and hell, why even have a job? People aren't happy with the way shit is going on with the world. Hell, _I'm_ scared about what's going to happen, too. I guess what I'm trying to say is that I worry about you guys. Some of you put yourselves in positions where you can get yourselves seriously fucked with; and all you have sometimes is luck. _Think_ about what you're doing. That's all. Don't give them more ammo to take this all away from you. > in short all i'm saying is that in most cases, your freindly neighborhood > e dealer is the prophet in a weird sort of way, for that eternal quest > for true happiness and self-love and just plain love and whatever...i > sound like a fool... You don't sound like a fool, and yes I believe there are some dealers out there that give a shit. That seriously believe in what they're doing, are honest in what they sell and don't do it insofar as to make a lot of money -- just enough to get by. But I feel these people are in the minority and as this scene matures we're going to see that percentage drop even further. There are a lot of dealers out there that _don't_ give a shit about you or me. They don't care about how much they'll charge, as long as they make a profit. They don't care what's in the shit they're selling you, as long as it sells. They just don't give a shit about you. It's all about money. And if they go down, who do you think they're going to try to fucking rat on to save their sorry ass? Yeah, count on it. There's a _lot_ of money to be made here and mabe we should do some thinking to decide just how we're going to control it before it starts to control us. If we even can. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com, archon@hyperreal.com From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 9 13:55:28 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA02792; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 13:55:28 -0800 Received: from UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA02785; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 13:55:25 -0800 From: TJOHNST@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU Received: from UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU by UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #5345) id <01HMUP6IPCY8000YVQ@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU>; Thu, 09 Feb 1995 16:46:00 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 09 Feb 1995 16:46:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: Love Generator To: MW-RAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Message-id: <01HMUP6IQ5W2000YVQ@UOFT02.UTOLEDO.EDU> X-Envelope-to: MW-RAVES@HYPERREAL.COM X-VMS-To: MW-RAVES@HYPERREAL.COM MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk I was wondering what are all the things going on in Saint Louis. Is Pizza Generator Still happening. I have heard a little about Welcome. Does Anyone know the DJ's that will be spinning. If there is anything else please let me know. Thanks Tracy Johnston From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 9 17:03:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id RAA14047; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 17:03:33 -0800 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA13999; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 17:02:51 -0800 Received: (from abductee@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA18764; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 19:50:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 19:18:13 -0500 (EST) From: Ted Weinberg Subject: by way of introduction... To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello! I figured since i'm new here I should introduce myself in some respect.. My first MW-rave was Rejuvination in St. Louis, though I've been doing this rave thing for years. I live in Lexington (hey j2, cosmic!) and am one of the mysterious Meddlin Kids. Yes, I've been erecting scaffolding and sweeping up cigarette butts since Momentum.. I also threw a party with a coupla other folx at the now defunct Club Renaissance, which you may remember as the IO refugee camp. Don't worry, though, the place was nowhere near as cool as it may have seemed and it's loss is hardly an occasion for sadness. In fact, the owners were a total sleezeball idiot ("no-one's dancing!!" during my ambient set...)and a NARC!! Anyway, I'm also one of the three stooges responsible for Third Eye GFX (the IO flyer) and rest assured that we all understand alpha-levels now... Hmm, what else... Ahh, yes: I am a techno musician who is currently trying to amass more equipment and I think i have the honor of being Kentucky's first ambient DJ. How special. Among my many projects I am trying to get people together to release a compilation 12" sometime this spring, as I have access to a really NICE studio and want to record some other people as well as my own shit. So email me if your interested, I want it to be all MW artists, style is not important as long as its good. I also write grafitti and produce a public access cable show as well as bizarre underground films, now that I've got a camera. Budding starlettes send mug shots..;) Oh, yeah: My $.02 about Uplift/Letdown. Over-promoted, if you don't want the party to get out of control don't print so many flyers. I think parties need to get a bit more low-key, you don't need 8 DJ's in one night. it seems silly to pay a DJ so much only to have them spin for 45minutes to an hour. These guys are really talented, give 'em 2-4 hours and let 'em go off! You can't print 20,000 flyers and have an underground party. But Keoki and Astroboy tore it up at Nocturna, yes it was *very* crowded and i LIKE IT THAT WAY :) Rave til dawn , Ted DJ Pod Dem Meddlin Kids Third Eye GFX Xyxadantiphorea Metaversity 4-20 krew From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 9 17:49:04 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id RAA16546; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 17:49:04 -0800 Received: from student5.cl.msu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA16532; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 17:49:00 -0800 Received: from [35.8.189.73] by student5.cl.msu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/MSU-2.10) id AA10758; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 20:43:29 -0500 Message-Id: <9502100143.AA10758@student5.cl.msu.edu> X-Sender: macqueen@student5.msu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 20:47:33 -0500 To: Ted Weinberg From: macqueen@student.msu.edu (Matt MacQueen) Subject: Over promoting Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ted Weinberg said: I think >parties need to get a bit more low-key, you don't need 8 DJ's in one >night. it seems silly to pay a DJ so much only to have them spin for >45minutes to an hour. These guys are really talented, give 'em 2-4 hours >and let 'em go off! You can't print 20,000 flyers and have an underground >party. Yes! Yes! I agree, you are so right-on here. I couldn't agree more. I think that's giving the DJ's a raw deal too. DJ's get asked to spin at a party, commit to a party, for pay, often-times-not, name-on-the-flyer and everything, sometimes driving 2 and 3 states away to get there... and then realize you gotta fight attitudes to get on the turntables! That's unprofessional promoting, and no fun for the people dancing *or* the DJ's. Yeah, it's "exposure," but at what cost? Promoters: be up-front with your DJ time-schedule.... if you know it's gonna be short time-blocks, hey, ok, there's times for that... just at least tell the people involved. peaceout :) _______________________________________________________________________ Matt MacQueen GROWTH. Interface and Hypermedia Designer/Programmer Communication Technology Laboratory, Michigan State Univeristy _______________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 9 21:31:35 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA26394; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 21:31:35 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA26387; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 21:31:27 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.9/2.2) id FAA28694; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 05:32:46 GMT Message-Id: <199502100532.FAA28694@mixcom.mixcom.com> Subject: mw-raves calendar To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 9 Feb 1995 23:32:46 -40975532 (CST) From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 615 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay, better late than never. The calendar has just been posted to the new mw-raves-calendar list. If you didn't get it but thought you would, maybe you're not subscribed to that list (see previous messages or send me mail and I'll tell you how). If you missed it and still want it, you can get it on hyperreal (/raves/mw/mwravescalendar) or on acid (send mail to mw-raves-cal@acid.com). Any questions or problems? Send me mail. Oh, and if anyone has any information about a party that's not included in the calendar, SEND IT TO ME! Thanks. :) -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com, archon@hyperreal.com From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 9 22:04:16 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id WAA27738; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 22:04:16 -0800 Received: from ozarks.sgcl.lib.mo.us by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA27733; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 22:04:14 -0800 Received: by ozarks.sgcl.lib.mo.us (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02960; Fri, 10 Feb 95 00:00:33 CST Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 00:00:33 -0600 (CST) From: "Shawn E. Oliver" Subject: Anyone go to Transcend? To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I know Transcend in Springfield, MO was probably the smallest, least note-worthy event of the year, but I missed it? Anyone go? If so, how was it? I avoided it because the line was looooong and it was freeeezing! I guess I'm just a wimp... Out. :-) _____________________________________________ Shawn Oliver.SK1 Productions.Mix United Music On Internet at: soliver@ozarks.sgcl.lib.mo.us _____________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 9 23:55:56 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id XAA01816; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 23:55:56 -0800 Received: from aphid.cec.wustl.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA01807; Thu, 9 Feb 1995 23:55:52 -0800 Received: by aphid.cec.wustl.edu (5.0/ECL-A1.27) id AA05914; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 01:55:54 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 01:55:53 -0600 (CST) From: Kris Ellen Grotelueschen X-Sender: keg1@aphid To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Cc: abductee@cyberspace.org, caley@acs.bu.edu Subject: pizza generator!! =) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 564 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ok. . . here's whats up. . . . pizza generator will be happening at 6pm on satruday feb 11 and last until whenever..... you bring whatever toppings you like to eat on or with pizza and i will make fresh homemade dough to go under it..... i live on the border btw. u-city and st louis. . . just 4 blocks from the delmar loop (if you are familiar with this town at all ;) for directions either call 314.995.1481 or mail me and i'll send you a hard copy of the directions. have safe trips every one!!! and i totally can't wait to see you all!! electric k From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 10 08:56:50 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA18998; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 08:56:50 -0800 Received: from student5.cl.msu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA18993; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 08:56:47 -0800 Received: from [35.8.189.73] by student5.cl.msu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/MSU-2.10) id AA100497; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 11:52:24 -0500 Message-Id: <9502101652.AA100497@student5.cl.msu.edu> X-Sender: macqueen@student5.msu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 11:56:34 -0500 To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: macqueen@student.msu.edu (Matt MacQueen) Subject: yet another radio show Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I will be spinning tonight [Friday] again on East Lansing/Lansing radio again, M.S.U.'s student-run station, 88.9 FM. I'm bringing in my own equipment this time (like we did for DBX) so no-one has to be tortured to use the stations nightmare-giant-mixing board. ;) IMPACT has a decent 2,000+ watts of broadcasting range, which is pretty powerful a college station. Anyway, I'll be on with Kyle Tait from around midnight or 12:30am until 2:00am, or shortly after. Some hard house but mostly Detroit-style techno. Also, I'll be looking out for everyone at SWITCH on Saturday! :) peaceout _______________________________________________________________________ Matt MacQueen GROWTH. Interface and Hypermedia Designer/Programmer Communication Technology Laboratory, Michigan State Univeristy _______________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 10 10:48:47 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA24312; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 10:48:47 -0800 Received: from mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA24304; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 10:48:42 -0800 Received: by mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/02Aug94-8.2MPM) id AA25496; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 12:48:39 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 12:48:38 -0600 (CST) From: Suicidal Lemming Subject: MPLS-BPS To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ok it is 1pm and i am finally leaving, uumm we heard that the freeways are closed in sections so i dont know what time we (kay and i) will get there, but we will be at perkins tonight at 7....a place for us to stay fell through so i am wondering if anyone has a floor or something open for tonight...ok thats about it..see ya'll sat. night perkins 8 o clock. rad love ya'll oooodles and oooodles mouse // \ / \ ___ ____ ___ // \ || | || | || || ****beatPHREAKsociety**** // /\ /\ \ || | || | --- ||--- honmyhr@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu // / \ \ ||___| ||___| ____| ||___ honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 10 11:43:40 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA26774; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 11:43:40 -0800 Received: from m-net148.arbornet.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA26768; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 11:43:36 -0800 Received: by m-net148.arbornet.org (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0rd1FI-000hc0C; Fri, 10 Feb 95 14:43 WET Message-Id: Date: Fri, 10 Feb 95 14:43 WET From: digiworx@m-net.arbornet.org (Jonas Truman) To: honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu, mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: MPLS-BPS Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I gotcha for tonight if need be. I have to practice all night, but that's ok :P TEES are in! earache freakALAfreak From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 10 15:39:26 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA10528; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 15:39:26 -0800 Received: from gold.tc.umn.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA10523; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 15:39:23 -0800 Received: from dialup-2-92.gw.umn.edu by gold.tc.umn.edu; Fri, 10 Feb 95 17:32:29 -0500 From: "Kirk Mona" Reply-To: "Kirk Mona" To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Overeasy... Message-Id: <2f3bf78f1568002@gold.tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 95 17:32:36 -0500 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Boo Hoo Hoo I can't go to overeasy. All you who are going have to dance a set for me. I'm soooo pissed but oh well I promise I'll be at the next event and finally say hi to all you. Cherish those 16 hours. with much regret--Kirk Kirk Mona | "We shall never be able to remove suspicion and fear monax002@gold.tc.umn.edu | as potential causes of war until communication is student of many things | permitted to flow, free and open, across kmona | international borders." -Harry S. Truman -Are we there yet harry?- From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 10 16:08:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA12061; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 16:08:33 -0800 Received: from eagle.sangamon.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA12052; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 16:08:28 -0800 Message-Id: <199502110008.QAA12052@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: by eagle.sangamon.edu (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA074921402; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 18:10:02 -0600 From: Lisa Scrimpsher Subject: I HEARD A RUMOR AND NEED HELP NOW!!! To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 18:10:01 -0800 (CST) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 440 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all! My friend Howie is sitting here and told me a rumor he heard and (don't laugh if it is false) but he asked me to check it out. He heard Dee-Lite will be doin' the Love Generator II thing in St. Louis 2-morrow night. What is the deal? Can anyone confirm fact or fiction? Also, I have lost your address Tigger! Send me mail soon so we can be back in touch! Lisa Please respond quickly! I have to get out of this computer lab From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 10 16:23:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA12751; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 16:23:33 -0800 Received: from eagle.sangamon.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA12745; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 16:23:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199502110023.QAA12745@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: by eagle.sangamon.edu (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA081892303; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 18:25:03 -0600 From: Howard WIlliams Subject: I HEARD A RUMOR - HELP ME To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 18:25:03 -0800 (CST) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 121 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I heard a rumor that Dee-Lite would be at Love Generator II in St. Louis. Is this fact or fiction? Please respond ASAP From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 10 16:25:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA12876; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 16:25:33 -0800 Received: from eagle.sangamon.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA12870; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 16:25:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199502110025.QAA12870@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: by eagle.sangamon.edu (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA083852424; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 18:27:04 -0600 From: Lisa Scrimpsher Subject: Tigger I lost your address To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 18:27:04 -0800 (CST) Content-Type: text Content-Length: 120 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Help! I have lost your address, Tigger! Please be e-mailing me soon so we can be back in touch. Virtually yours, Lisa From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 10 16:27:44 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA12998; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 16:27:44 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA12993; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 16:27:41 -0800 From: DUBSHACK@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA11901; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 19:28:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 19:28:49 -0500 Message-Id: <950210192843_18340880@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: THE KINGS BROCK CHICAGO Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk 95 BROCKOUT is set to fire in CHICAGO CITY!!!! DJ Dextrous and MC Rude Boy Keith are in chicago and all acts are confirmed for the event. contact the jungle ting line at 708-786-3955 or the RIPE info line at 312-509-6453. maximum boost to roger and lori at RIPE for their involvement in this one. for those of you coming in from out of town this will be a fresh space confirmed and locked in.....this event should be tearin' and not missed. see you there..........DUBSHACK.....yes, mon..... From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 10 20:10:31 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA22402; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 20:10:31 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA22397; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 20:10:26 -0800 Received: from alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (synergy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.2]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id WAA10620 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 22:10:28 -0600 Received: (synergy@localhost) by alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) id WAA14719; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 22:10:27 -0600 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 1995 22:10:27 -0600 (CST) From: "Brad Owen (Massive Magazine)" To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: (LOW) RE: UNIVERSE TRIBAL GATHERING 1995 (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Check out this party...anyone wanna go? Brad -------------------------- ----------------------------------------- - - - Brad J. Owen (Synergy) - - --------- - - - - ------------- - - Quadrasonic Promotions - - --------------- - - Massive Magazine - - --- ------- --- - - - - - ----- - - - Milwaukee, Wisconsin - - --- - - - - - - - synergy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu - - - - - -------------------------- ----------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 10 Feb 95 08:04:32 GMT From: DJ CHILLUM To: lowlands@xs4all.nl Cc: crawley@prl.philips.nl Subject: (LOW) RE: UNIVERSE TRIBAL GATHERING 1995 To all dutch ravers, if you fancy going to this event get in touch, cos I certainly am and a return Eindhoven-Gatwick is 275 guilders. So maybe a buch of us could go ? Check that line-up ... TWO TRIBES PRESENT THE WELCOME RETURN OF U N I V E R S E UK TRIBAL GATHERING - '95 May Bank Holiday Weekend 5 Monumental Music Arenas Saturday May 6th 1pm-7am 18 Hours of Full On Festival Fun Oxfordshire, England 60 Divine DJ's 20 Ballistic Bands BEAT THE BILL!! THE FIRST LEGAL OUTDOOR DANCE PARTY IN ENGLAND FOR TWO YEARS. Two Tribes Present........ UNIVERSE THE TRIBAL GATHERING - '95 The Reunification of The Scattered Tribes of Dance Part III "Mountains They Traversed, Over Oceans Deep and Wide, Crossed Desert and Deepest Jungle To Bridge The Dance Divide" * After the aborted events and frustrations of 1994, we are pleased to announce the first ever legal outdoor dance festival in the UK. * Tribal Gathering - '95 will be the first Universe party in the UK for 18 months, and the biggest yet - A mamouth multi-sensory 18 hour assault! * All generations are invited in spiritual communion with the earth and acknowledge membership of the global dance community and the enormous energy it represents. * Tribal Gathering - '95 will combine the best of both worlds, commencing with an 8 hours afternoon and early evening live session on 5 stages - climaxing with a full on, insane all night Universe ritual dance celebration of epic proportions. * Two Tribes is a new joint venture between the United States of Mind (original Universe crew/Final Frontier etc.) and the Mean Fiddler organization. Both collectives have unrivalled reputations for staging Europe's most electrifying musical events. You can be confident that Tribal gathering '95 is the one UK event that definitely will happen! AN AWE INSPIRING DANCE DREAMWORLD! Tribal Gathering '95 will be staged on 60 acres of panoramic Oxfordshire countryside. In each of the five main monumental circus tents, seperate production crews will compete to create the most breathtakingly stunning spectacle and theatrical moods to compliment the mesmerizing musical marathons!! For many of the live acts, such as Orbital and Plastikman, this will be their only UK appearance in 1995. It is our intention to make "The Tribal Gathering UK" an annual event, with a possible extension next year to a two-day event. WE ALWAYS DELIVER! Universe parties have always attracted a uniquely diverse crowd of beautiful party people dedicated to the new global religion of tribal house music and all of its many mutations. Anyone who has attended "Tribal Gathering '93" in Wiltshire, "Tribal gathering '94" in Munich, or who has ever joined our weekly celebrations at the Final Frontier in London will know that we create the ultimate intense feelgood party vibe. As dedicated party people ourselves and organizers since 1989, we have been progressively building up to this event. "Tribal Gathering '95" will be our most outrageously orgasmic organic event yet - The Ultimate Party that WE have always dreamed of going to! See you there, Cosmic Crew. - Universe. ATTRACTIONS 8 TENTS * 5 ENORMOUS DANCE ARENAS * A THUNDEROUS TOTAL OF 300K OF EARTH SHAKING QUADROPHONIC TURBO SOUND WITH 3D SOUNDB.A.S.E. ENHANCEMENT * FULL FUNFAIR * SPACEBALL * GYROSCOPE * A GALAXY OF ULTRA INTELLIGENT LIGHTING FX BY SPOT CO. * 4 X MULTICOLOURED LASERS * GIANT VIDEO SCREENS AND TV MONITOR WALLS WITH CUSTOM LIVE GENERATED COMPUTER & MULTISOURCE MIXING ANIMATIONS * ENORMOUS INFLATABLES * TRIBAL PERCUSSION PYRAMID FEATURING "THELEMIC PULSE" * TIERED DANCE PLATFORMS * EROTIC FASHION SHOWS * DAZZLING DECOR BY "TOKYO SEX WHALE" - BRISTOL, "MEGADOG", "BIGLOVE" AND "TORTURE GARDEN". * COLOURED SMOKE * FULLY LICENSED UV BARS * INTERACTIVE AND ENLARGED VIDEO GAME AREA * FOOD STALLS * BIZARRE BAZAAR * UNIVERSE - dP MERCHANDISE * SMART BAR WITH ESSENTIAL PSYCHOACTIVE SUPPLEMENTS FOR PEAK PERFORMANCE! * MASSAGES * BRAIN MACHINES * BOUNCY CASTLE * AND MUCH MORE....... UNIVERSE CYBER CIRCUS Introducing our unique troop of weird, wired totally lost it tripped out anarchic artistes, who will ensure that wherever you wander throughout the "TG '95" site you will witness the most extreme entertainment imaginable!! Laser Robots, Space Warriors, Chainsaw Jugglers, Fire-eaters, Angle-grinder dancers, Stilt walking Insects etc......... SUGGESTIONS We welcome any of your ideas for improving our parties, extra attractions, favourite DJ's and PS's etc. Please send suggestions to "United States of Mind, Club U.K., LONDON SW18 TRIBAL GATHERING - THE HISTORY Tribal Gathering '93 - staged on a magical mystic site near Stonehenge in Wiltshire. 25,000 party people, artists, DJ's, and the world's dance media united in declaring "TG '93" to be the best all-night dance experience ever......anywhere. Tribal Gathering '94 - attended by 27,000 mad Europeans and set in the terminal building of the old International Airport in Munich, we showed Germany what a dance party should really be like. And left their media gasping "Where did all those beautiful people come from?" 1 - STARSHIP UNIVERSE ALL ABOARD THE UNIVERSE MOTHERSHIP FOR THE NEXT THRILLING ODYSSEY INTO HOUSE HYPERSPACE AND BEYOND. THE ABSOLUTE CREAM OF THE WORLD'S DJ'S AND LIVE ACTS WILL CAPTAIN OUR CRAFT AS WE BOLDLY PARTY WHERE EVEN WE HAVE NOT DARED VENTURE BEFORE!! 2 - PLANET OF THE CYBERPUNKS INCORPORATING "F.U.K. - DETRIOT" AN EERIE ATMOSPHERIC SUBTERRANEAN METROPOLIS FEATURING THE VERY FINEST EXPONENTS OF EXPERIMENTAL AND DEEP UNDERGROUND ACID AND TECHNO. MIDWAY THROUGH THE NIGHT AFTER A MAGICAL METEMORPHOSIS THE TENT WILL BE TAKEN OVER BY RICHIE HAWTIN AND PLUS8 RECORD'S LEGENDARY FUK PARTY CREW FOR THEIR FIRST EVER EUROPEAN OUTING SHOWING US HOW THEY DO IT IN THE AMERICAN MIDWEST, BIRTHPLACE OF THIS MUSIC WE CALL TECHNO. 3 - THE TRIBAL TEMPLE A PALACE OF PAGAN WORSHIP FULL OF WILD WHIRLING DERVISHES AND DEVOTEES OF HARD AND HYPNOTIC HOUSE, PERCUSSIONISTS AND TRIBAL DANCE TROUPES, WHERE HIGH PRIESTS OF POSITIVITY AND GLOBAL DECK GURUS WILL LEAD YOU IN CELEBRATION OF THE EARTH, THE ELEMENTS AND EVERYTHING THAT MAKES OUR UNIQUE UNIVERSE TICK! 4 - PLANET NEXUS (IN ASSOC. WITH BRISTOL EXPOSURE) HAPPY HARDCORE AND JUNGLE MENTAL MAYHEM MEET IN PERFECT HARMONY ON THIS PLANET OF PURE ENERGY. JOYOUS HANDS IN THE AIR ANTHEMS WILL ALTERNATE WITH DEEPEST DUBBIEST DRUM AND BASS TO SIMULATE AN 18 HOUR VOYAGE OF DISCOVERY FROM WHICH YOU WILL EMERGE ENLIGHTENED AND ENTHRALLED! 5 - PLANET EROTICA A GROOVEY GARAGE AND HOUSE HEAVEN WHERE EQUAL DOSES OF SEXINESS, SAUCINESS, SENSUALITY AND SIN WILL BE SERVED UP BY A COSMIC CARNIVAL OF THE WORLD'S MOST PERVEY PERFORMERS WITH PROCEEDINGS TO BE LED BY OUR INIMITABLE MAITRESSE OF CEREMONIES, "LADY MISS KIER" FROM DEE-LITE AND THE BIG APPLE (PREPARE TO TAKE A BIG BITE!) 6 - SOUTH-WEST SOUNDCLASH PLYMOUTH'S URBAN COLLECTIVE PRESENT A UNIFICATION OF THE BEST OF THE SOUTH-WEST'S SOUND SYSTEMS, CLUB AND PARTY CREWS. THIS ARENA WILL ALSO SERVE AS THE MEETING POINT FOR ANY OF THE ORIGINAL FAMILY OF FAITHFULL FOLLOWERS WHO WISH TO RECONNECT WITH THE OLD FRIENDS FROM PREVIOUS PARTIES (YOU CAN LEAVE NOTES ON THE NOTICE BOARD PROVIDEDED FOR ANYONE YOU ARE LOOKING FOR). UK TRIBAL GATHERING 1995 - THE LINE-UP ARENA 1 Live - ORBITAL (tbc) THE PRODIGY THE DUST BROTHERS APOLLO 440 SUNSCREAM DJ'S - LAURENT GARNIER CARL COX TANITH C.J. BOLLAND DAVE ANGEL TSUYOSHI SUZUKI JONATHON COOKE STEVE JOHNSON MC RIBBZ ARENA 2 Live - SYSTEM 7 BANDULU PSYCHIK WARRIORS OV GAIA AIR LIQUIDE DJ'S - JEFF MILLS ROBERT HOOD LUKE SLATER DAVE CLARKE DAVID HOLMES MR. OZ NILS Part2- PLASTIKMAN (tbc) RICHIE HAWTIN JON ACQUAVIVA MATTHEW HAWTIN ARENA 3 Live - DRUM CLUB EATSTATIC SOUNDCLASH REPUBLIC DUB TRIBE DJ'S - DJ DAG PAUL DALEY GAYLE SAN DARREN EMMERSON ;) FABIO PARAS CHARLIE HALL TIN TIN DINO PSARAS KIERAN THE HERBALIST JODY (WAY OUT WEST) ARENA 4 Live - METALHEADS (FEAT. GOLDIE) DJ'S - GROOVERIDER JUMPIN' JACK FROST EASYGROOVE KENNY KEN LTJ BUKEM SEDUCTION RONI SIZE SY DOUGAL VIBES BUNGY KRUST DAZEE MC'S - MC RIBBZ PATRICK JOE PENG ARENA 5 Live - MOBY ONE DOVE HOSTESS - MISS KIER (DEEE-LITE) DJ'S - ROGER SANCHEZ PAUL OAKENFOLD(tbc) JAMES LAVELLE PHIL PERRY BILLY NASTY NICK WARREN(tbc) JOHN KELLY GORDON KAYE NORMAN JAYE BOB JONES Love, Miles peace _____ _ _ _ _ _ __ __ // `` ||_____:: '' :: :: || :: || \ :: \ ((______ || || || ||_____. ||_____. \\____.' || \' \ _______________________________________________________________) ( d r u m a n d b a s s p r o m o t i o n s __._._._._______._._._______._._._._______._._._._._._._._._.______) D J / M C b o o k i n g s t e l : +31 (0)40 48 24 34 (________________e - m a i l : crawley@prl.philips.nl..... ... .. . gun-toting-blunt-smoking-wax-spinning-beat-chopping-eindhoven-jungalist From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 10 20:46:49 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA23919; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 20:46:49 -0800 Received: from UKCC.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA23914; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 20:46:46 -0800 Message-Id: <199502110446.UAA23914@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from UKCC.UKY.EDU by UKCC.uky.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1617; Fri, 10 Feb 95 23:46:13 EST Received: from ukcc.uky.edu (NJE origin THELME00@UKCC) by UKCC.UKY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8341; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 23:46:13 -0500 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 95 23:44:14 EST From: tim To: mw-raves@TAZ.HYPERREAL.COM Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk wow...well, it looks like a great event and all that...and i'd LOVE to see the Dust Brothers live and all that but uh... after you figure in a round trip ticket to the UK and food and entrance... that's a thousand dollar party, yo. that's a lot of money. you could THROW a small event here for that much...:) no offense. just some thoughts. later. From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 10 21:15:50 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA25112; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 21:15:50 -0800 Received: from tigerden.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA25105; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 21:15:45 -0800 Received: by tigerden.com id AA17050 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com); Sat, 11 Feb 1995 00:16:39 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 00:16:38 -0500 (EST) From: "D.A.C. Crowell" To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: The annoyance of the business of ambience... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay...over the past several weeks, I've been running down the _why's_ of things...like _why_ is it such a pain to get live gigs, _why_ is it such a pain to try and hassle demos around, _why_ does it have to be such a battle to support this facility, and so forth. And it hit me that what I need (thanks to the suggestion of a few folks on this list) is management. A person whom I can throw all of this _obstruction_ onto so I can pay more attention to the sounds and less to the hassle of supporting them. It hadn't hit me until that point that what I was doing was sufficiently complicated that a manager would be warranted...but in the final analysis, I guess those folks are quite right indeed! So instead of going right into the hassle of hunting down management for my musical work and studio activity, I'm going to hop on here and get some feedback (hopefully) from people on here who deal in a managerial capacity with folks in music, as well as hopefully from some others who might have some info on the ins and outs of dealing with music management within the techno/rave/whatever scene. I'd be quite grateful for any anecdotes, info, leads, or whatever y'all have to offer...and it _would_ be most helpful to me to get things rolling along a little more smoothly and properly-directed than they seem to be now. Thanks in advance! <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\ "We have come to the edge of a world which D.A.C. Crowell |offers us the limits of the accessible, of the Audio Design and Programming |unpredictable; it must be possible for some- The Aerodyne Works |thing not of this world to find a way through, Champaign, IL, USA. |something that hitherto could not be found by dacc@tigerden.com |any radio station on this earth. Let us set <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>/ out to look for it!" --Karlheinz Stockhausen From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 10 22:20:28 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id WAA27171; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 22:20:28 -0800 Received: from relay4.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA27166; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 22:20:21 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP id QQycov18076; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 01:20:22 -0500 Received: by iglou.iglou.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0rdAyz-0001yYC; Sat, 11 Feb 95 01:07 EST Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 01:07:01 -0500 (EST) From: Tim Ramsey X-Sender: evolve@iglou To: Ted Weinberg cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: by way of introduction... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Oh, yeah: My $.02 about Uplift/Letdown. Over-promoted, if you don't want > the party to get out of control don't print so many flyers. I think > parties need to get a bit more low-key, you don't need 8 DJ's in one > night. it seems silly to pay a DJ so much only to have them spin for > 45minutes to an hour. These guys are really talented, give 'em 2-4 hours > and let 'em go off! You can't print 20,000 flyers and have an underground > party. But Keoki and Astroboy tore it up at Nocturna, yes it was *very* > crowded and i LIKE IT THAT WAY :) A couple of misconceptions here. First the party itself was never out of control. All the attention sprang from a kid who was just released from a mental hospital for attempted suicide and took acid despite specific orders from his doctor to the contrary. This idiot the proceeded to have a seizure are brings lots of attention to the site. Even then the the party was not at risk. It was only when the officers stepped inside to speak with the owners of the building and witnessed pot being smoked. At this time only 300-350 people were there, definately not out of control, especially since I had prepared for around 1250. Also, the headliners at evolution events always have at least 1-1/2 hour sets with 2 hrs being the norm. I specifical construct my parties for this purpose. If you like longer sets then check out Frankie Bones in louisville on the 25 of march, he will be spinnig at least 3 and probable 4 hours, so that he can span the wide range of his music, from prog house to hard techno. Anyways, I just wanted to clarify things a bit peace Tim ImSmartRU/Evolution productions From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 10 23:33:32 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id XAA29813; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 23:33:32 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA29807; Fri, 10 Feb 1995 23:33:29 -0800 From: DUBSHACK@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA153967785; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 02:29:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 02:29:45 -0500 Message-Id: <950211022945_18618693@aol.com> To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: THE KINGS BROCK CHICAGO Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk 95 BROCKOUT is set to fire in CHICAGO CITY!!!! DJ Dextrous and Rude Boy Keith are in Chicago and all acts are confirmed for the event. Contact the Jungle Ting line at 708-786-3955 or the RIPE info line at 312-509-6453. Maximum boost to Roger and Lori at RIPE for their involvement. This event should be tearin' and not missed. see you there. DUBSHACK.....yes,mon. From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 11 00:05:00 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id AAA01983; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 00:05:00 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA01973; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 00:04:56 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.9/2.2) id IAA12800; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 08:06:33 GMT Message-Id: <199502110806.IAA12800@mixcom.mixcom.com> Subject: Looking for... To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 02:06:31 -40975532 (CST) From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 347 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ...a guy named Jeff Bauman. He did video and audio interviews of much of what went on at Furthur last year. Kurt and I are looking to contact him. If anyone knows how to reach him, please let me know or have him give either Kurt (414.224.5343) or I (414.482.0399) a call. Thanks! -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com, archon@hyperreal.com From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 11 01:00:14 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id BAA03619; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 01:00:14 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id BAA03612; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 01:00:11 -0800 From: E1024@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA12405; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 04:01:21 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 04:01:21 -0500 Message-Id: <950211040120_18672615@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: RE: AtmospheriC AudiochaiR Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The party sounds great, how much is it ? Eric From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 11 04:05:28 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id EAA08724; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 04:05:28 -0800 Received: from po.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA08717; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 04:05:23 -0800 Received: from purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu [137.112.3.11]) by po.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id HAA10417 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 07:05:18 -0500 From: "William K. Baran" Received: (baranwk@localhost) by purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id HAA00292 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 07:05:17 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 07:05:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199502111205.HAA00292@purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Utopia!!!! Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk *yawn* Just got back from Utopia, and man what can i say but the vibe was happenin'! I just _loved_ Sho's set, just the stuff i was in the mood for! =) Not sure if the setup (not to mention no restrooms or water) was worth 8, but I had the groovinest time anyway, so i guess you can say it! Well there's so much I'd love to say about all the things I thought about this rave.. but i think i'll just crash now. Hope all you that went had an excellant time! 'night! Sirkut From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 11 10:30:01 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA18879; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 10:30:01 -0800 Received: from home.interaccess.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA18870; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 10:29:58 -0800 Received: from [198.80.1.198] (nb-dyna98.interaccess.com [198.80.1.198]) by home.interaccess.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA09728 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 12:30:06 -0600 Message-Id: <199502111830.MAA09728@home.interaccess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 12:32:39 +0500 To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: adamgold@interaccess.com (Adam Goldstein) Subject: Re: by way of introduction... Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Tim said this, among other things: All the attention sprang >from a kid who was just released from a mental hospital for attempted >suicide and took acid despite specific orders from his doctor to the >contrary. This idiot the proceeded to have a seizure are brings lots of >attention to the site. Look, I understand that you put a lot of work into this event, and that one kid's mistake helped to ruin it...but could we have a little more empathy here, please? This kid had a seizure while tripping, probably could have died...are you saying because of this mistake that he "proceeded to have a seizure" just to bring down your event? Even if he knew that he would have a seizure, why don't you give him a break? When China o.d.'d at Interstellar this summer, people seemed to be a lot more supportive...how did you react? The fact is, people make mistakes, they aren't perfect...hopefully he will learn from this, the way China hopefully learned at IO. I just don't think someone should care more about a party going off than for the well-being and safety of a human being, whether he made a stupid mistaske or not...i mean...who's gonna be on his side here? Don't you think that if anyone should be on his side it should be us? Adam "A mind unfed eats itself" Truman Capote From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 11 11:10:46 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA20475; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 11:10:46 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA20466; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 11:10:43 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0rdNDV-0000KCC; Sat, 11 Feb 95 13:10 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: re: siezure tripp To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 13:10:49 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1337 Forwarded message: ::From: adamgold@interaccess.com (Adam Goldstein) :: :: Even if he knew that he would have a seizure, why don't you give ::him a break? When China o.d.'d at Interstellar this summer, people seemed ::to be a lot more supportive...how did you react? ::The fact is, people make mistakes, they aren't perfect...hopefully he will ::learn from this, the way China hopefully learned at IO. This is a completely different circumstance. China simply used too much and/or stronger shit than she was used to. The person who had a seizure KNEW beforehand (s)he shouldn't be dropping acid with that condition looming over her/his head. :: I just don't think someone should care more about a party going off ::than for the well-being and safety of a human being, whether he made a ::stupid mistaske or not...i mean...who's gonna be on his side here? Don't ::you think that if anyone should be on his side it should be us? I never really read into his message this sort of feeling. IMHO it was stupid to do something that he knew would fuck him up. I don't say this in regard to 'messing up a party for everyone else', but simply that he could have died, regardless of the locale. t r a n c e l e m e n t a l i s t t h o u g h t a subsidiary of kharmachanic industries stevenJ --- emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 11 12:47:42 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA24812; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 12:47:42 -0800 Received: from UKCC.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA24807; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 12:47:39 -0800 Message-Id: <199502112047.MAA24807@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from UKCC.UKY.EDU by UKCC.uky.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3402; Sat, 11 Feb 95 15:47:04 EST Received: from ukcc.uky.edu (NJE origin THELME00@UKCC) by UKCC.UKY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4798; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 15:47:04 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 95 15:35:01 EST From: tim To: mw-raves@TAZ.HYPERREAL.COM Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yeah, i'd have to agree with Tim Ramsey and StevenJ on this one... though i do feel sad for the kid, well...it was VERY foolish to take that shit in his condition. i'm all for acid, don't get me wrong, legalize it today yoho and all that (though i stress i haven't done any since...well a long time), but the kid shoulda exercised more caution. period. and he knew what he was doing, so it's pure disregard for his fellow ravers. for that, i think there should be a little displeasure on the part of tim. i think it is entirely understandable that he's pissed. that was supposed to be the joint, and he has now to re-set a rep with the local pds, he's lost respect from people who do not know why it was busted (i.e., people not having access to his line or the net, etc...), and whatnot...that kid brought a lot of attention to the party that wouldn't have been there necessarily otherwise. i know it wasn't all his fault the thing got busted, but he played a role. where were the kids friends in all of this? why weren't they trying to help out by keeping him away from that as best they could? or were they? i'm aware it's difficult to keep someone from using something, but i get a feeling they might have known... we're not our brothers' and sisters' keepers, but we had damn well BETTER start being our brothers' and sisters' HELPERS. i mean, if you know someone has a medical condition like that, and you don't do anything to help keep the kid off of drugs which can react badly...well...you aren't to BLAME, but you sure as shit could've helped stop it. btw, i hope all you epileptics out there are making sure to take your medicine regularly, 'cause (i'm no doctor here, but i'm PRETTY sure this is true - i'd need some verification from our more medicinally inclined pals) those flashy cool lights and lasers...ummm, i think they can cause seizures if you aren't taking the proper medication. is this correct? anyone? anyone? the kid fucked up. that's all there is to it. he should've been more cautious, and yes, i agree, we should help our raverpals (or ANY pals) out, but Tim is just fine in his anger, i think. later. From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 11 14:20:27 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA29682; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 14:20:27 -0800 Received: from yar.cs.wisc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA29677; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 14:20:24 -0800 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 95 16:20:23 -0600 Message-Id: <9502112220.AA12555@yar.cs.wisc.edu> Received: from F182-051.net.wisc.edu by yar.cs.wisc.edu; Sat, 11 Feb 95 16:20:23 -0600 X-Sender: jovian@yar.cs.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: jovian@cs.wisc.edu (Jon Yankovich) Subject: Making Raves Happen X-Mailer: Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk A friend of mine is interested in throwing a rave in the Madison, WI area. Even though my forte is merely graphic design, I feel like I could help him out by asking some of you seasoned mw folks about the DO's and DONT's of throwing raves. He's got somewhere around $2-3K that he's willing to sink into it, I believe. What does stuff usually cost, and what are the big mistakes that boneheads like us usually make before we get it right? Help help help! :) -jon (Personal e-mail or to the list, if you think it'll benifit anyone else.) From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 11 15:47:44 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA03138; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 15:47:44 -0800 Received: from emunix.emich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA03133; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 15:47:40 -0800 Received: by emunix.emich.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA26298; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 18:50:23 -0500 From: sharifi@emunix.emich.edu (Surfer Al) Message-Id: <9502112350.AA26298@emunix.emich.edu> Subject: SWITCH? (Where is the Packard Bldg?) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 18:50:23 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 463 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I want to go to switch, but... the voice mail said it was at the Packard Bldg. Is that the old factory off of I94? where the Plastikman "concert" was held last year? If anyone sees this by 10:00 pm, please respond. Thanx. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A wave over a rave anyday." -- Me. Alex Sharifi sharifi@emunix.emich.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 11 15:53:49 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA03388; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 15:53:49 -0800 Received: from bgsuvax.bgsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA03381; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 15:53:47 -0800 Received: by bgsuvax.bgsu.edu (5.65/4.0) id AA10445 ; Sat, 11 Feb 95 18:53:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 18:52:29 -0500 (EST) From: "Dr. Frank N. Furter" Subject: Re: SWITCH? (Where is the Packard Bldg?) To: Surfer Al Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9502112350.AA26298@emunix.emich.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 11 Feb 1995, Surfer Al wrote: > I want to go to switch, but... the voice mail said it was at > the Packard Bldg. > > Is that the old factory off of I94? where the Plastikman "concert" > was held last year? > If memory serves, the Packard Bldg. is just about at Grand Ave. and a charmingly pitted street called Hastings. I know nothing about what 194 is.. - Dr. Frank N. Furter - A Scientist From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 11 16:48:03 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA05486; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 16:48:03 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA05477; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 16:48:00 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.9/2.2) id AAA11213; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 00:49:39 GMT Message-Id: <199502120049.AAA11213@mixcom.mixcom.com> Subject: Re: Making Raves Happen To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 18:49:38 -40975532 (CST) From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" In-Reply-To: <9502112220.AA12555@yar.cs.wisc.edu> from "Jon Yankovich" at Feb 11, 95 04:20:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1376 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > A friend of mine is interested in throwing a rave in the Madison, WI > area. Even though my forte is merely graphic design, I feel like I could > help him out by asking some of you seasoned mw folks about the DO's and > DONT's of throwing raves. He's got somewhere around $2-3K that he's willing > to sink into it, I believe. What does stuff usually cost, and what are the > big mistakes that boneheads like us usually make before we get it right? Three things I'd suggest right off the top of my head: 1) Check out the files on hyperreal.com in the holdyourown section of /raves. Many many reports by people who have done just what your friend wants to do. How they went about it, problems they encountered, what they've learned. 2) Have your friend talk to promoters in his area. Of the guys I know there, they all seem very friendly and supportive. Ask to help out. I just recently started helping out behind the scenes, and believe me, you learn a lot. 3) Maybe have one (or more) of those promoters help you on your first few parties. Hell, have them help on _all_ your parties. We're all in this together... The additional support, promotion, experience, and just plain bodies can't hurt. Anyone want to add to this? -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com, archon@hyperreal.com From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 11 16:50:16 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA05600; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 16:50:16 -0800 Received: from hebrew.engin.umich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA05594; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 16:50:14 -0800 Received: (bigh@localhost) by hebrew.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id TAA12249; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:50:12 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:48:29 -0500 (EST) From: HAK SOO KIM Subject: Re: SWITCH? (Where is the Packard Bldg?) To: "Dr. Frank N. Furter" cc: Surfer Al , mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 11 Feb 1995, Dr. Frank N. Furter wrote: > > > On Sat, 11 Feb 1995, Surfer Al wrote: > > > I want to go to switch, but... the voice mail said it was at > > the Packard Bldg. > > > > Is that the old factory off of I94? where the Plastikman "concert" > > was held last year? > > > > If memory serves, the Packard Bldg. is just about at Grand Ave. > and a charmingly pitted street called Hastings. I know nothing about what > 194 is.. > > - Dr. Frank N. Furter > - A Scientist > > Nope. The packard building is off of i94. Go i94 east (i think) past i75. Make a right onto mt. elliot. Then make a left onto Grand Blvd. The building will be on your left. See ya at the party. Hak From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 11 19:26:45 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA12154; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:26:45 -0800 Received: from tyro.cc.purdue.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA12146; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:26:42 -0800 Received: from expert.cc.purdue.edu by tyro.cc.purdue.edu (8.6.9/Purdue_CC) id WAA28418; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 22:25:52 -0500 Received: by expert.cc.purdue.edu (5.61/Purdue_CC) id AA14185; Sat, 11 Feb 95 22:26:42 -0500 From: toddo@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Todd O'Boyle) Message-Id: <9502120326.AA14185@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Subject: All College Students READ THIS To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 11 Feb 95 22:26:41 EST Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, here it is...read carefully. I know it has nothing to do with the "rave" culture, but since most subscribers to the list are college students and most of our parents dont own Fortune 500 (tm) companies...I just thought you would like to hear it... have a good day...:) -toddo > > > > HAVE YOU HEARD ABOUT THE CONTRACT OF AMERICA?? > > Your education is being threatened! > > > > THIS CONTRACT IS BEING MANDATED BY NEWT GINGRICH AND HIS NEW HOUSE OF > > REPUBLICANS IN THE CONGRESS: > > > > What should be of concern to you is the first proposal in the contract > > that is called THE FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY ACT > > > > This proposal effects you directly as a student, ESPECIALLY IF YOU ARE A > > STUDENT WHO DEPENDS ON FEDERAL FINANCIAL AID TO GET YOU through SCHOOL > > > > If this proposal is passed, which it may be in less than 38 days, here is > > what will happen to federal aid: > > > > CAMPUS BASED AID PROGRAMS WILL BE SERIOUSLY DIMINISHED OR ELIMINATED: > > > > FEDERAL SUPPLEMENTAL EDUCATIONAL OPPORTUNITY GRANTS > > > > THERE WILL BE NO MORE FEDERAL WORK STUDY (FWS) > > > > FEDERAL PERKINS LOANS WILL BECOME UNSUBSIDIZED: THIS MEANS THAT THE > > GRACE PERIOD WE HAVE AFTER WE LEAVE SCHOOL TO PAY BACK OUR LOANS WILL NOT > > EXIST. INTEREST RATES WILL BE SO HIGH THAT WE WILL HAVE TO BEGIN PAYING > > BACK OUR LOANS WHILE WE ARE IN SCHOOL. > > > > THESE ARE ONLY SOME OF THE SERIOUS IMPLICATIONS OF THIS PROPOSAL. > > > > ANTIOCH COLLEGE HAS FORMED A STRONG COALITION that has become a > > central hard force protesting and rallying against this proposal > > I AM LOOKING FOR EMAIL ADRESSES RADIO STATIONS TV STATIONS MAIL ADDRESSES > > ANY CAMPUS GROUPS OR INDIVIDUALS THAT ARE WILLING TO HELP IN ANY WAY! WE > > NEED MEDIA ATTENTION, WE NEED PEOPLE TO START EMAIL CAMPAIGNS AND LETTER > > CAMPAIGNS TO ANYONE AND EVERYONE ABOUT THE SERIOUS IMPLICATIONS OF THIS > > PROPOSALS....IF YOU AND ANYONE YOU KNOW CAN PROVIDE YOURSELF AS A > > RESOURCE OR ANYONE ELSE AS A RESOURCE CONTACT ME: MY EMAIL ADRESS IS > > CDAVIS @ANTIOCH.EDU WRITE TO ME AS SOON AS POSSIBLE WITH ANY IDEAS, > > RESOURCES AND/OR SUPPORT > > > > FOR ANYONE CLOSE TO OHIO THERE WILL BE A PICKET AND SIT IN AT OUR STATE > > REPS DISTRICT OFFICES IN SPRINGFIELD OHIO AT 150 LIMESTONE ST.. THE > > PROTEST WILL BEGIN AT 3:00 IN THE AFTERNOON. CONTACT ME FOR FURTHER > > INFORMATION. > > > > PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO ANYONE AND EVERYONE YOU KNOW ANYWHERE IN THE > > COUNTRY. WE ARE NOT ONLY MAKING THIS A REGIONAL CAMPAIGN BUT A NATIONAL > > CAMPAIGN. OUR TIME IS SHORT..THE COUNTDOWN IS AT 38 DAYS!!!!! > > > > HURRY AND TAKE ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > In solidarity- > > CAMAS DAVIS > > > > > > > > > > > -- 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 -----------> toddo@expert.cc.purdue.edu --------------------------> toddo@arbornet.org ---------------------> Todd O'Boyle --------> Purdue University ----------------------------------------> Pre-Communications 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 COMING SOON TO A WEBSERVER NEAR YOU....toddo's HOMEPAGE..YAY!!! http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~toddo/ keep watching for more details.............................:) From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 11 19:57:32 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA13301; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:57:32 -0800 Received: from earth.execpc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA13294; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 19:57:29 -0800 Received: (from danimal@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA18650; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 21:55:41 -0600 From: Daniel Wenders Message-Id: <199502120355.VAA18650@earth.execpc.com> Subject: Re: by way of introduction... To: adamgold@interaccess.com (Adam Goldstein) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 21:55:41 -0600 (CST) Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199502111830.MAA09728@home.interaccess.com> from "Adam Goldstein" at Feb 12, 95 12:32:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1379 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > Tim said this, among other things: > > > All the attention sprang > >from a kid who was just released from a mental hospital for attempted > >suicide and took acid despite specific orders from his doctor to the > >contrary. This idiot the proceeded to have a seizure are brings lots of > >attention to the site. > > Look, I understand that you put a lot of work into this event, and > that one kid's mistake helped to ruin it...but could we have a little more > empathy here, please? This kid had a seizure while tripping, probably > could have died...are you saying because of this mistake that he "proceeded > to have a seizure" just to bring down your event? > Even if he knew that he would have a seizure, why don't you give > him a break? When China o.d.'d at Interstellar this summer, people seemed > to be a lot more supportive...how did you react? > The fact is, people make mistakes, they aren't perfect...hopefully he will > learn from this, the way China hopefully learned at IO. > I just don't think someone should care more about a party going off > than for the well-being and safety of a human being, whether he made a > stupid mistaske or not...i mean...who's gonna be on his side here? Don't > you think that if anyone should be on his side it should be us? > > Adam > "A mind unfed eats itself" Truman Capote > > > From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 11 20:00:59 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA13606; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 20:00:59 -0800 Received: from earth.execpc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA13600; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 20:00:57 -0800 Received: (from danimal@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA19056; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 21:59:09 -0600 From: Daniel Wenders Message-Id: <199502120359.VAA19056@earth.execpc.com> Subject: Re: by way of introduction... To: adamgold@interaccess.com (Adam Goldstein) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 21:59:08 -0600 (CST) Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199502111830.MAA09728@home.interaccess.com> from "Adam Goldstein" at Feb 12, 95 12:32:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 244 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Awww you poor thing.. you tried to kill yourself even though you know it was as stupid thing to do here let me get you some cookies and milk.. Yes people do make mistakes but what that guy did was SOOO stupid I don't feel sorry for him. From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 11 20:26:18 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA14563; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 20:26:18 -0800 Received: from po.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA14556; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 20:26:13 -0800 Received: from purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu [137.112.3.11]) by po.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id XAA19080 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:26:09 -0500 From: "William K. Baran" Received: (baranwk@localhost) by purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA01669 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:26:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 1995 23:26:06 -0500 Message-Id: <199502120426.XAA01669@purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: more about Utopia Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just wanted to say "THANKS" to the person who gave me a sucker there. _Really_ needed it! =) Did anyone see me there that went? I was wearing real dark green pants, a lighter green baggy shirt with a colar and a tan cap. Anyone know what was up with that VIP room? I think that was pretty elitist! There seemed to be more people there that were more interested in dancing to show off than to be a part of the rave. When they started making circles where people on the outside just watched the person in the middle dance... that's just not what it should be. But overall it did have great vibe! Sirkut From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 12 01:13:12 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id BAA23765; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 01:13:12 -0800 Received: from UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id BAA23760; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 01:13:09 -0800 Received: from jinx.umsl.edu by UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Sun, 12 Feb 95 03:13:34 CST Received: by jinx.umsl.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA14663; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 03:13:22 -0600 From: s937078@jinx.umsl.edu (COOPER) Message-Id: <9502120913.AA14663@jinx.umsl.edu> Subject: Bust Generator '95! To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (post mw-raves) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 03:13:21 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1279 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey... as most of you know by now Love Generator 95 was busted at 12:45a.... Stated reason: no dance hall permit. No fire/occupancy permit. Strange thing is that Terra Mater didn't have either of those permits when they used the same space last weekend for Harmonic Convergence and their party went off fine. ??? well, at this point in the evening things are getting moved to the 3124 Locust space, but they'll have a tought time fitting more than 300 people there. hello to all those I met this weekend (ie Tim, Telemachus, etc).... see you all at FUK next weekend.. Oh, if you're coming to town for FUK, come to the little net pre-party... It's going to be at my house...The innerplane records DJs will be there, plus: Dreamscape Waxee Jovian Espaciation Project... Mike Brown Cindy from Hyperreal.. should be fun...call my voice mail next week for directions. bye! ........................................................................ James Paul Cooper / Pixel St. Louis ----- Solid State Productions ---- Chicago s937078@jinx.umsl.edu amorge@artic.edu 314.995.1481 312.202.7232 ........................................................................ From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 12 10:26:23 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA06301; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 10:26:23 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA06296; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 10:26:20 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0rdj0A-0000KCC; Sun, 12 Feb 95 12:26 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: (fwd) ALERT! Klinton suspends the rest of the 4th by EO (fwd) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 12:26:29 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 5067 If this isn't scene-related, I don't know what is. - stevenJ __________________________________________________________________________ Forwarded message: ::Newsgroups: misc.survivalism ::Subject: ALERT! Klinton suspends the rest of the 4th by EO ::Date: 11 Feb 1995 16:25:03 GMT ::Organization: The Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA ::Lines: 113 ::Message-ID: <3hiocv$hl0@nkosi.well.com> ::NNTP-Posting-Host: well.sf.ca.us ::Summary: Clinton "suspends" fourth amendment by executive order ::Keywords: Clinton Reno fourth amendment executive order ::X-Newsreader: NN version 6.5.0 #1 (NOV) :: :: ::I checked and this is accurate. :: ::Brad :: ::- - - - - - - - - - - begin included text - - - - - - - - - - - - :: ::#From lindat@iquest.net ::#Date: Sat, 11 Feb 95 05:06 EST ::#From: lindat@iquest.net ::#To: caji@aol.com :: :: [The following text is in the "iso-8859-1" character set] :: [Your display is set for the "US-ASCII" character set] :: [Some characters may be displayed incorrectly] :: ::Please excuse any duplication to you. I have not finished sorting out my ::lists and only recently figured out the difference between individuals and ::newsgroups (and have not yet gotten the names that are already in ::newsgroups). This was too important to wait on me to finish sorting. :: ::*********************** ALERT ALERT ************************ :: ::WARRENTLESS SEARCHES CAN NOW BE APPROVED BY FREEH, RENO, DOD, ET. ::AL. AND CONDUCTED BY ANY FED AGENCY. DUE TO THE CRIME BILL, THE FED ::AGENCIES ARE NOW ALL OPERATING IN CONSOLIDATED "TASK FORCES." :: :: THIS EXECUTIVE ORDER ***SPECIFICALLY*** APPLIES TO ANYONE USING :: COMPUTER COMMUNICATIONS TO GATHER INFORMATION :: (SEE THE UNDERLYING LAW AT 50 USC 1801.) :: IT MAY ALSO BE USED TO APPLY TO MILITIAS BY THE :: AMBIGUOUS WORDING IN 50 USC 1801 and PL 103-359 :: :: :: :: THE WHITE HOUSE :: Office of the Press Secretary ::___________________________________________________________________ ::For Immediate Release February 9, 1995 :: :: :: EXECUTIVE ORDER :: :: - - - - - - - :: FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE PHYSICAL SEARCHES :: :: :: By the authority vested in me as President by the ::Constitution and the laws of the United States, including sections ::302 and 303 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 ::("Act") (50 U.S.C. 1801, et seq.), as amended by Public Law 103- ::359, and in order to provide for the authorization of physical ::searches for foreign intelligence purposes as set forth in the Act, ::it is hereby ordered as follows: :: :: Section 1. Pursuant to section 302(a)(1) of the Act, the ::Attorney General is authorized to approve physical searches, without ::a court order, to acquire foreign intelligence information for ::periods of up to one year, if the Attorney General makes the ::certifications required by that section. :: :: Sec. 2. Pursuant to section 302(b) of the Act, the Attorney ::General is authorized to approve applications to the Foreign ::Intelligence Surveillance Court under section 303 of the Act to ::obtain orders for physical searches for the purpose of collecting ::foreign intelligence information. :: :: Sec. 3. Pursuant to section 303(a)(7) of the Act, the ::following officials, each of whom is employed in the area of ::national security or defense, is designated to make the ::certifications required by section 303(a)(7) of the Act in support ::of applications to conduct physical searches: :: :: (a) Secretary of State; :: :: (b) Secretary of Defense; :: :: (c) Director of Central Intelligence; :: :: (d) Director of the Federal Bureau of :: Investigation; :: :: (e) Deputy Secretary of State; :: :: (f) Deputy Secretary of Defense; and :: :: (g) Deputy Director of Central Intelligence. :: :: None of the above officials, nor anyone officially acting in ::that capacity, may exercise the authority to make the above ::certifications, unless that official has been appointed by the ::President, by and with the advice and consent of the Senate. :: :: :: WILLIAM J. CLINTON :: :: :: THE WHITE HOUSE, :: February 9, 1995. :: :: ::****************************************************************************** ::* Dr. Linda D. Thompson NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE. * ::* American Justice Federation ::* ::* 3850 S. Emerson Avenue, Suite E, Indianapolis, IN 46203 * ::* Telephone: (317) 780-5203 AEN News BBS: (317) 780-5211 * ::* Fax: (317) 780-5209 Orders (Visa/MC) 1-800-749-9939 * ::* Internet: Lindat@iquest.net ::* ::******************************************************************************* t r a n c e l e m e n t a l i s t t h o u g h t a subsidiary of kharmachanic industries stevenJ --- emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 12 10:43:03 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA06875; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 10:43:03 -0800 Received: from max.cc.denison.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA06870; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 10:43:01 -0800 From: MCMILL_C@CC.DENISON.EDU Received: from CC.DENISON.EDU by CC.DENISON.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #4959) id <01HMYPGZ640G003BU4@CC.DENISON.EDU>; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 13:42:38 EST Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 13:42:38 -0500 (EST) Subject: Alcohol at raves To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HMYPGZ7ZJ6003BU4@CC.DENISON.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ok, here it is. I went to ONE in Columbus last night. It was okay, there weren't too many people there at first, but the the place got jumping. This is where my question comes in. What is the point of people bringing beer and stuff into raves? It seems so stupid to me. I hate it so much. The problem was that there was beer flowing into the house like there was no tomorrow. Am I alone in saying that Alcohol and raves don't mix? I know there is the argument that drugs are just as bad as beer, but I beg to differ. With alot of drugs, there is just a mello-ness. Alcohol just makes people drunk and annoying. The party was cool and the dj's were pretty hip, but the smell of beer was just annoying as hell. I'm just curious if anyone else is on my side about this. Thanks paige (chris) From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 12 11:08:11 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA07645; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 11:08:11 -0800 Received: from relay4.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA07639; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 11:08:08 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP id QQycum09394; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 14:08:07 -0500 Received: from abennett by iglou.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0rdjd0-0001yvC; Sun, 12 Feb 95 14:06 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: abennett@iglou.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 14:06:40 -0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) Subject: Re: Alcohol at raves Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Paige says: >I went to ONE in Columbus last night. It was okay, there weren't too many >people there at first, but the the place got jumping. This is where my >question comes in. What is the point of people bringing beer and stuff into >raves? It seems so stupid to me. I hate it so much. The problem was that >there was beer flowing into the house like there was no tomorrow. {...snip...} What you went to doesn't really seem like it was a real rave. Something more of a house party. It may have sounded like a rave. Maybe even looked like one. But was it really? *shrug* However, your description of all this alcohol makes it sound more like a twisted college party, where they play techno and house music instead of classic rock or grunge or whatever. What's the difference between a house party and a rave? Ummm... I'll leave this up to the list and personal interpretation to differentiate between the two. But what you went to sounds more like the 90210 "Rave". All the elements are kinda there, but something just isn't right. Trouble in paradise. Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Alcohol at raves In-Reply-To: <01HMYPGZ7ZJ6003BU4@CC.DENISON.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 12 Feb 1995 MCMILL_C@CC.DENISON.EDU wrote: > I went to ONE in Columbus last night. It was okay, there weren't too many well frankly this is what you get for attending a franklin party. i dont like spreading negative vibe but these guys throw parties to PAY THEIR RENT. this is a fact. this is why columbus has such a bad name, and that's why ele mental began. for god's sake we threw a rave in december 1993, wit dieselboy and bileebob and paris and all of us and it was THREE dollars!!!!!! we LOST money and were HAPPY to do so in search of a good vibe. our house parties as well as those thrown by our good friends rage & mary and all, ARE ALWAYS FREE. FUCK alcohol at "raves". FUCK paying for a fuckin HOUSE PARTY. FUCK IT FUCK IT FUCK IT. support mindless productions (franklin) at your own risk. i say this because im PISSED AS HELL because for the most part these guys represent what we are totally against. if it aint on mw-raves dont bother, paige. one exception: XENODOCHEUM was a good party, but this is because jason (who is the only one of them guys who understands this shit) was the main man behind it. so there. ++ e d e l e m e n t a l From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 12 12:46:27 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA12009; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 12:46:27 -0800 Received: from bronze.coil.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA12001; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 12:46:24 -0800 Received: from localhost (eluna@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) id PAA16300; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 15:47:28 -0500 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 15:47:28 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Luna cc: mw-raves Subject: Re: (fwd) ALERT! Klinton suspends the rest of the 4th by EO (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk steven: please explain how this relates. ps-this is not a flame, it's an inquiry by a dumb person. ++ e d e l e m e n t a l confused boy From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 12 13:37:56 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA14491; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 13:37:56 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA14483; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 13:37:54 -0800 From: DUBSHACK@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA260994845; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 16:34:06 -0500 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 16:34:06 -0500 Message-Id: <950212163350_19943400@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: thanks Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Big Up to all who attended 95 BROCKOUT DJ Dextrous and Rude Boy Keith were tearin'. Oh my gosh, mon..... Nuff respect Chicago crewe--the man like the DJ Phil, the DJ JJ Jellybean and the DJ Snuggles, Also, DJ Ruffneck-the Toronto massive. All sets wicked. Thanks to all that made this show happen. As Rude Boy Keith said, "Vibe was thick...." Reeeewind!! STRENGTH TO STRENGTH....................DUBSHACK From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 12 15:01:26 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA17991; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 15:01:26 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA17984; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 15:01:24 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502122301.PAA17984@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Raves : How to get them going (fwd) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 15:01:24 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2972 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** Note: This is a forward from Andrew. If you reply, make sure your message ** goes to the right destination (ie, not me). The list is ** mw-raves@hyperreal.com >From MaxximumSL@aol.com Sun Feb 12 14:57:14 1995 From: MaxximumSL@aol.com Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 17:53:22 -0500 Message-Id: <950212174736_19993132@aol.com> To: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Cc: Arangabeth@aol.com Subject: Raves : How to get them going After seen so many parties shut down for (most of the time) the same reason, I thought I'd write a little how to ver 1 -1- Find a building. -2- Have the fire marshall inspect the building -3- Get Battery back up EXIT SIGNS -4- Get your occupancy permit -5- Get a few fire extinguisher -6- Get your Dance permit if required by law -7- Get your Business license -8- Hire and EMT in case so person decides to take too many drugs -9- Hire real security -10- Hire an off duty cops that stays outside and pay him only at the end of the event and only if the party is not shut down (put that in a contract) -11- Sign a contract with the owner of the building and require his presence -12- Have plenty of free water availablee -13- Make sure that noone stays on the street or in the parking lot during the event, cops don't like that -14- make sure that the entrance is clear of people. Cops don't want to see people gathered around the entrance -15- have your security mark people under age if there is a cerfew -16- have a bottle of niacin ready in case some stupid fuck wants to eat a 100 hits and goes wako -17- call the police and tell them you will have a party and if they can roam around the building for people's safety, cops like that. -18- sign a contract with the dJ, light co and sound co and make sure you send your deposit in time -19- have at least too port-o-let in the building in case there is no bathroom -20- make toilet paper available -21- if there is no heat, rent some space heaters and get them going as early as possible. it take time to heat up a building. -22- make sure that the building have appropriate electricity. One 20 amp outlet in not enough to run sound and light. You need a main panel with at least 100 amp single phase (or 3 phase is even better) 120 volts + neutral + ground. If you are not sure about electricity call an electrician, this might save you some money in case you don't have proper electricity and you might have to rent a 30000 watts gene. and don't get 5000 watts gene, they dont push anything. -23- tell your dj's to respect the sound equipment. some dj like to be in the red and fuck up part of the sound (ex : Traxx, Bille Bop, Paris, who really don't know that red means too much : distortion : bad sound) -24- get a money bag from the bank (about $20), that will keep your money safe. -25- don't let the money pill up at the door, some guy might want to have it. -26- if you see people smoking dop, tell them to be a lot more discret. it is not worth having a party shut down because of dop. From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 12 15:46:48 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA20111; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 15:46:48 -0800 Received: from rs6.tcs.tulane.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA20106; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 15:46:46 -0800 Received: (jeremy@localhost) by rs6.tcs.tulane.edu (8.6.9/8.5) id RAA74376; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 17:48:30 -0600 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 17:48:30 -0600 (CST) From: Daniel Millstein X-Sender: jeremy@rs6.tcs.tulane.edu To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com cc: raves Subject: ZOOLU INFO (Dmitry) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk First off let me say thanks for all the response so far. There are just a few things I wanted to clarify before the event. 1. This is not a three day event. It's on Saturday Feb. 25, 10 pm til..... On the flyer, there is no period after till and directly following it says Mardi Gras 95'. That being a Tuesday, some peole are confused. 2. Astroboy will be spinning at ZOOLU!!! Although he is on the flyer for Heartland in Indianapolis. He is quite confirmed. 3. Mardi Gras is very crowded. And our site is right on a major street. It's even possible that a parade may be occurring at that time on that street. So, if you are driving, I'd suggest parking somewhere not too close, and take a cab or walk or streetcar. 4. And finally (this will be confirmed tomorrow), we are 95% sure that Super DJ Dmitry will be spinning the afterparty. Flyers and information about the party will be given out the day of the event at local stores and at the event itself. The aftreparty won't be directly after ZOOLU, but will be on Sunday night, again at a fully legal and bustproof space (I really mean it). Also, a possible appearance by DJ Soulslinger of Liquid Sky music could occur. So, for all those who are coming down, get ready for not one, but two days of strong vibes in the New Orleans. 5. Info: 1-800-807-2357. Thanks, Daniel E From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 12 17:42:59 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id RAA25135; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 17:42:59 -0800 Received: from galileo.engin.umich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA25129; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 17:42:57 -0800 Received: (catarrh@localhost) by galileo.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id UAA10095; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 20:42:56 -0500 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 20:31:09 -0500 (EST) From: mike wong Subject: switch. To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199502120426.XAA01669@purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi everybody i am new to the list from s.f. and i just went to my FIRST mw-rave. switch. thanks to hak on the list and michael lee. the music was choice acid and trance but it was the mw people that made the esperience for me. y'all are friendlier than i am used to. i passed out little valentine's candies and everyone was appreciative and polite. in s.f. i am used to being ignored by many poor souls who haven't managed to tune in to the vibe. anyways i think that at many of the well-publicized s.f. raves, the spirit has grown stale, so i am happy to see it fresh and alive in this subzero part of the house nation. > show off than to be a part of the rave. When they started making circles > where people on the outside just watched the person in the middle dance... > ya, what's up with this phenomenon? i have seen people do this at clubs and stuff and i just can't see it being a fun thing for anyone other than the boy in the middle (i have never seen a woman engage in this sort of absurd behaviour.). MikeWongRAVES ^ ^ ^^^^^ From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 12 19:34:05 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA29602; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 19:34:05 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA29596; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 19:34:00 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by AC.GRIN.EDU (PMDF V4.3-9 #4381) id <01HMZ67OK01C8Y5IKU@AC.GRIN.EDU>; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 21:34:22 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 21:34:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) Subject: g e n e r a t i n g l o v e To: MW-RAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Message-id: <01HMZ67OK9OI8Y5IKU@AC.GRIN.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk hmmm...where to begin? this weekend was an epifany for me of sorts...I loved every second of it...everything was fabulous.... I can't process everything until tomorrow but let me say this: a party is a party as long as you got the music and the people a good time is a good time as long as you got the people people, in general, are good. what goes around, comes around. Be rad. Look Cool. Keep it low key. It's all good. Tigger (g e n e r a t i n g l o v e) KICK ASS!!! From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 12 20:05:06 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA00927; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 20:05:06 -0800 Received: from blue.engin.umich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA00922; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 20:05:03 -0800 Received: (lpawl@localhost) by blue.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id XAA01626; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 23:04:54 -0500 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 23:03:03 -0500 (EST) From: lpawl Subject: Switch review??? To: Tigger cc: MW-RAVES@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <01HMZ67OK9OI8Y5IKU@AC.GRIN.EDU> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yo, what ya all think about the "switch" party at the packard? it was an odd one to say the least. jason wcbn-fm ann arbor From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 12 20:06:45 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA01019; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 20:06:45 -0800 Received: from mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA01013; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 20:06:43 -0800 Received: by mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/02Aug94-8.2MPM) id AA27964; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 22:06:43 -0600 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 1995 22:06:43 -0600 (CST) From: Suicidal Lemming Subject: mpls.. *sigh* To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well..me and my friend kay left fargo/moorhead on fri morn..what is normally a 3 1/2-4hr trip turned into a 6 1/2 hr trip complete with white out conditions and wind warnings..so hung out in the cities with friends which was soooopah rad!! went to the Overeasy space and cleaned up until the sound arrived. spen many hours unloading and building walls of sound....MIGHTY MOUSE!!..and setting up lights. then it was outside for an hour and taking tickets..things appeared to be going well there were three rooms. you enterend into the laser room which was long and dark except for lasers and a small wall of sound..then you entered into the chill space which waas large and just right. off of the chill space there were about 8 small office spaces that were cleared out. then you went into the main room which had a wall of sound and excellent lighting. the space, sound and lights were the best i have seen at a mpls party for a LONG time =) so i was taking tickets and the owner showed up and informed me "young lady..it would be in your best interest to not let anyone else in and leave now. blah blah blah" well after he got done dicking me around he went and turned on the lights. i let who ever wanted in and went into the 2nd room and danced for about 10mn before everything was shut down. we all waited around for about 15 mn while the cops looked over the papers.the party was permitted, rent paid, everything legal except for a breech of contract with the owner who thought there was going to be a video shoot with 40 people..WRONG. so kay and i found a ride back. i want to give big ups's to the drop bass guys for coming out to mpls AGAIN and still not being able to spin, to speedy who came up from las vegas and to efex from chicago. also to the guys from toronto, winnipeg, and minot who i met while things were being decided about the party. and mostly to all the mpls ravers who supported another party by a new promoter with hopes that it might go over. rob and dave i wish i could have heard your live performances, cuz it sounded sooooo rad when you were messing around before things got going. all in all i am tired of mpls...maybe this is "weak" of me. i think i just need to take a break away from attending parties. and with that i am unsubbing from the list....those of you who care you have my e-mail..please keep in touch. i love ya'll ooooooodles and ooooooooodles mouse - the tired beatPHREAK dj way up north in a frozen hell. // \ / \ ___ ____ ___ // \ || | || | || || ****beatPHREAKsociety**** // /\ /\ \ || | || | --- ||--- honmyhr@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu // / \ \ ||___| ||___| ____| ||___ honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 12 22:17:09 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id WAA06550; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 22:17:09 -0800 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA06544; Sun, 12 Feb 1995 22:17:03 -0800 Received: (from abductee@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA29303; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 01:16:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 00:41:43 -0500 (EST) From: Ted Weinberg Subject: yet more LUVgenerator BS To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk First of all let me say that I am still very shook up by some shit that happened at the party both in general and on a personal level. Also, things may have changed and I could have gotten wrong information, but here goes: We arrived at the site to set up around 9:00pm or so, the usual ohmigod-the-doors-are-supposed-to-open-in-an-hour craziness but no more so than any BIG party. Around 10:00 a couple of pigs came in and started being real threatening, demanding to see the person in charge. David and a few other people pow-wow with them for a bit, after which we are told to leave and come back so the fire marshall can look around. At this point there is a huge line up the stairs plus a crowd outside; abandoning our booth and hoping to beat the crowd back inside seems like a bad idea so we help clean up the place and set up our own shit. The cops leave. I was told that they were convinced that there were no underage people getting in and of course it was a drug-free event. I have no idea if there were any permits for this party, but the general consensus was that there weren't. I simply can't understand this, but... The lights go down, the sound comes up and people start coming in. Everyone has fun for a couple of hours, when the pigs return, one wearing a snazzy hat easily identifying him as head piggy. They shut down the main systems and argue with David et. all while ambient continues in back. Naturally this is where we head! We chill for a bit until someone comes on the sound sytem and says we are all going to be arrested if we dont leave. NOW!! Everyone piles down stairs, past mean doggies and meaner pigs who are itching to beat the shit out of someone and tap their "flashlights" against the wall. Does anyone who was there know if they actually did beat up someone? We passed an ambulance on the way out... David is apparently arrested for unpaid traffic tickets? We try the after-hours space, but it's not going yet so we quickly move on to Astroboy's loft at Mystic Bill's suggestion. Andy, Sho, and Traxx proceed to *TEAR SHIT UP* for the rest of the morning, until the cops finally track us down at about noon or so. They come in to find a N2O tank in the doorway, left by some obvious idiots. The same ASSHOLES let Andy take the rap for the other two tanks and he goes to jail, too. If these dicks, who were selling $5 balloons all night, didn't at least go bail Andy out then they are even more irresponsible low-life pieces of shit then I had all ready surmised. These dorks were apparently from Chicago, so if any of you Chi-Town folx know them be sure and give 'em a swift kick in the grill for me. One last thing that bugged me: Was everyone simply too fucked up to communicate? The vibe all morning seemed a bit unfriendly if not just introverted. Maybe all the people telling me how hard they were rolling has something to do with this. as if your eyes rolling back in your head, heavy sweating, skin flush, etc. etc. didn't tip me off! Please, control your drug use... I felt like an outsider because I hadn't dropped $20 to make me love everyone. Hmmm... If anyone knows the rest of the story or can fill in details please post it. And someone please tell me Andy and David are free!! Sorry this is so rambling, it's been a long, hard weekend... Ted From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 05:19:46 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id FAA21973; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 05:19:46 -0800 Received: from nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id FAA21968; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 05:19:44 -0800 Received: by nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA23026; Mon, 13 Feb 95 08:34:20 GMT-0500 From: jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (Jennifer Palmer) Message-Id: <9502131334.AA23026@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu> Subject: Utopia & Love Generator To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 08:34:18 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1797 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay I have mixed feelings about this whole weekend..... I do know that Utopia rocked my world due to the terrific dj's esp. Terry whom I haven't seen around this area for a while.... Someone posted that there were no bathrooms.....this is true but!!! there was a port-o-potty at the door..... Once again Utopia was a great party thanks goto Kyle and the Bloomington kids! esp. devin for letting the purdue and cinci kids stay with him...... after a long rest we were on our way to st. louis..... it didn't seem to take long at all...... but we got there right about 11:45pm and geeze was it cold out!!! we walked up to the door and saw tigger!!! We were all so happy to see him...... while waiting for the next hour out side and in side we had several cops come thru....etc.... and they finally told us to go home..... from what I understand the sound was confiscated...... so after that whole ordeal we went to the local Taco Bell parking lot and got our caravan into action and went and got something to eat downtown......the food was good the service sucked.... from there we all went to Astroboy's where I met rothrock [who's tape is very good.....I highly suggest buying it] jefferson and this nice girl from Milwaukee who had on a dbn shirt......[I was also wearing mine] after walking around for a bit I ended up sitting and or sleeping the rest of the time we were there......the music was very good it was great to wake up to the sounds I heard =] .......we went back to krisg's and slept for a while and went to this very good vietnamese restaraunt..... and then we all went our separate ways from there..... I hope that everyone had a good time!.... I did! jen -- *Jennifer Palmer* aka Deadbeat jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu or palmerje@miavx1.muohio.edu From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 06:39:45 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id GAA24724; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 06:39:45 -0800 Received: from ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA24717; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 06:39:42 -0800 Message-Id: <199502131439.GAA24717@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU by ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9676; Mon, 13 Feb 95 09:39:20 EST Received: from ULKYVM (CJCLAR01) by ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 5117; Mon, 13 Feb 95 09:39:20 EST Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Mon, 13 Feb 95 09:39:03 EST From: "Jason Clark cjclar01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu" Subject: stuff To: Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk (TITLE) PHONE: Hello all. This is my first post to MW-raves. Just went to Love Generator over the weekend. It was really disappointing to see it get busted. It seems like people who hold such big events should prepare for these things to happen and have a backup for us. I know there were a whole bunch of out of town partee people on the streets of St Louis with nothing to do but drive around. A quick thought on parties getting busted. KEEP SMILING!!! THE ONLY REASON WE'RE GETTING SHUT DOWN IS BECAUSE THE MAN IS *AFRAID OF US* WE'RE DOING SOMETHING RIGHT, AND IT'S SCARING THE SHIT OUT OF THEM!!! Positive Vibes speak for themselves! I went to the after hours on Locust Street later, and it was less than I expected. I hate to talk negative, but the hip-hop scene and the rave scene are two different things. It just seemed really tense the whole time. The fact that it was sooo crowded also had something to do with it. I wish I would have known about Astroboy's party. :) If anyone wants to know, I was the one with almost shoulder length dreads, glasses, red jumpsuit, and a pen laser. Anyone out there that knows Louis from St. Louis, the Psychedelic Lumberjack from the Midwest Avengers, tell them J-Sun from Louisville says Hey! Hi Kaytee!! Hows the E. Lansing Crew?! See ya at V-GER and/or Plastikman! From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 06:44:05 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id GAA24902; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 06:44:05 -0800 Received: from indyunix.iupui.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA24896; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 06:44:03 -0800 From: pehall@indyunix.iupui.edu Received: by indyunix.iupui.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA74423; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 09:43:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 09:43:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: (fwd) ALERT! Klinton suspends the rest of the 4th by EO (fwd) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have one question? what was the point of that very long and very confusing letter? ...pat " blueraZZbeRRy blowPoP" From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 06:49:52 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id GAA25154; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 06:49:52 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA25148; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 06:49:50 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0re26J-0000KHC; Mon, 13 Feb 95 08:50 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: Re: (fwd) ALERT! Klinton suspends the rest of the 4th by EO (fwd) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 08:50:07 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1125 Forwarded message: ::From: Ed Luna :: ::steven: please explain how this relates. :: ::ps-this is not a flame, it's an inquiry by a dumb person. I'd say read the thing again. It simply says that our esteemed el presidente has taken the exclusionary rule out of the 4th amendment. This keeps the police's reigns tied by not letting them search anyone at will. By removing the exclusionary rule (which means any evidence taken illegally is excluded from being able to be used as legally obtained evidence) 'they' now can search and seize at the discretion of the arresting/searching police officer and it'll hold up in court. So... You want to go to a party and do arts&entertainment? Do it before you get there if you can and if you have to travel with the shit don't look the part. There exist profiles which police use to determine whether or not to stop someone for no apparent reason and search them. Just think. And if you think things are scary in these united states *now* just wait. What I forwarded is one example of expanding fascism. I guess it's getting time to leave. - stevenJ From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 07:02:20 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA25832; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 07:02:20 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA25827; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 07:02:18 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0re2IO-0000KHC; Mon, 13 Feb 95 09:02 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: Re: (fwd) ALERT! Klinton suspends the rest of the 4th by EO (fwd) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 09:02:36 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 345 Forwarded message: ::From: pehall@indyunix.iupui.edu :: ::I have one question? ::what was the point of that very long and very confusing letter? I just posted an explanation requested by someone else. I didn't think it was confusing but just go back and read it again. Again: our rights are being taken away by the government. - stevenJ From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 07:16:06 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA26434; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 07:16:06 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA26428; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 07:16:02 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA05362; Mon, 13 Feb 95 09:17:33 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id JAA07637; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 09:13:08 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17247; Mon, 13 Feb 95 09:14:54 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02563; Mon, 13 Feb 95 09:14:54 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502131514.AA02563@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: (fwd) ALERT! Klinton suspends the rest of the 4th by EO (fwd) To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 95 9:14:53 CST Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: ; from "stevenJ" at Feb 13, 95 8:50 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } Forwarded message: } ::From: Ed Luna } :: } ::steven: please explain how this relates. } :: } ::ps-this is not a flame, it's an inquiry by a dumb person. } } I'd say read the thing again. It simply says that our esteemed el } presidente has taken the exclusionary rule out of the 4th amendment. } This keeps the police's reigns tied by not letting them search anyone } at will. By removing the exclusionary rule (which means any evidence } taken illegally is excluded from being able to be used as legally } obtained evidence) 'they' now can search and seize at the discretion of } the arresting/searching police officer and it'll hold up in court. } So... } oh horse shit. read the eo again - it specifically deals with foreign intellegence information - unless you are specifically carring around plans to build an mx missle (which i hope none of this are) then this eo does not apply to you. it specifically deals with foreign intellegence operations - i don't think that a rave comes anywhere close to qualifying for this sort of thing. I think people are being a touch to parinoid and reactonary about this thing, it really doesn't apply at all to civil cases. --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- -> have you ever been in intellectual combat with an unarmed person, and <- -> not given them a running head start? <- From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 07:54:07 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA28072; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 07:54:07 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA28067; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 07:54:05 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0re36V-0000KHC; Mon, 13 Feb 95 09:54 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: Re: (fwd) ALERT! Klinton suspends the rest of the 4th by EO (fwd) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 09:54:22 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 749 Forwarded message: ::From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) :: ::it specifically deals with foreign intellegence operations - i don't ::think that a rave comes anywhere close to qualifying for this sort ::of thing. I think people are being a touch to parinoid and reactonary ::about this thing, it really doesn't apply at all to civil cases. If you look back at the last 10 years of US Supreme Court history you will see a pattern of the stripping away of civil rights/liberties of US citizens. The EO I forwarded to the list is simply another example of this sort of mindset. Does this EO apply directly to rave(er)s? Most likely not, but it's reason to watch what happens in these regards very closely, don't you think? - stevenJ From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 08:29:15 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA00164; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 08:29:15 -0800 Received: from infochi.infochi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA00152; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 08:29:08 -0800 Received: by infochi.infochi.com id AA10627 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 10:30:20 -0600 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 11:30:02 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Shea Subject: Re: Alcohol at raves To: MCMILL_C@CC.DENISON.EDU Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <01HMYPGZ7ZJ6003BU4@CC.DENISON.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 12 Feb 1995 MCMILL_C@CC.DENISON.EDU wrote: > Ok, here it is. > > there is just a mello-ness. Alcohol just makes people drunk and annoying. > The party was cool and the dj's were pretty hip, but the smell of beer was > just annoying as hell. I'm just curious if anyone else is on my side about > this. Thanks > Well, I am. Stu From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 08:51:23 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA01336; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 08:51:23 -0800 Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA01324; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 08:51:17 -0800 From: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Message-Id: <199502131651.IAA01324@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6515; Mon, 13 Feb 95 10:49:47 CST Date: Mon, 13 Feb 95 10:25:42 CST To: breaks@xmission.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.com, dw-raves@listserv.american.edu, ne-raves@umdd.umd.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com, lowlands@xs4all.nl, socal-raves@UCSD.edu, 313@lazarus.uta.edu, PB-CLE-RAVES@Telerama.lm.com, uk-dance@tqcomms.co.uk Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone.. I have release a tape several months ago title "The Premierian Estates" on my new formed label, Black Raven. Since then, I've been pushing this album on a regional basis and have recieved good PR and sales. With desire to move on to another project, I wish to share the remaining copies of this release to the rest of the rave community... This tape contains 11 dance tracks and was completly mastered in digalog format. If you like, I'm willing to FTP some .au files of this album to your site if you would like to just check it out for leisure.... I've got a number of copies left and is offering them for only $6.99 each plus $2 S/H. If interested call the Funk Junkies at 1-800-291-3014 to order by plastic, or just send a money order payable to Black Raven at: Black Raven Records ****************************************** 103 W Walnut Ste. 136 *Check out our WWW site at: * Carbondale, IL 62901 *http://rg.media.mit.edu/RG/Labels/9.html* USA ****************************************** Also, FYI, all the ravers that purchased this tape really enjoys it and I'm open to any comments or inquiries regarding this post...=:) Peace Out, Zheam, Black Raven *Check out our WWW site at: * 103 W Walnut Ste.136 *http://rg.media.mit.edu/RG/Labels/9.html* Carbondale, IL 62901 ****************************************** USA Also, FYI, all the ravers that purchased this album really enjoy it and I'm open to any comments or inquiries regarding this post.... Peace, Zheam From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 08:54:13 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA01561; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 08:54:13 -0800 Received: from recepsen.aa.msen.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA01552; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 08:54:08 -0800 Received: from garnet.msen.com by recepsen.aa.msen.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0re42H-000aiSC; Mon, 13 Feb 95 11:54 EST Received: by garnet.msen.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0re42E-0013IRC; Mon, 13 Feb 95 11:54 EST Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 11:54:01 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Walker X-Sender: marmoset@garnet.msen.com To: Midwest Raves List Subject: SWITCH review Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk review of SWITCH, Saturday evening at the Packard Plant in Detroit. --- We arrived between 12:30 and 1:00. The site was the "Bankle on steroids" (yes, this site seems to be getting used that much), the Packard Plant. We had quite a time parking -- looks like quite a few people got "parked in". The space was actually in a different part of the Packard complex than all the other parties I've been to have been held in. They had lots of those "turbo heaters" set up, which helped, but due to the _intense_ cold outside I don't think the building ever got much warmer than 50 or 60 degrees. The bathroom situation was bad -- one stinky toilet and a really long line. When we arrived, BMG (Brendan Gillen of WCBN) was spinning. _Very, very_ cool tunes (especially the mini electro set towards the end), but rather iffy mixing. To be fair, the warehouse was cold enough so that I suspect it was giving DJ's problems (cold fingers, etc). Sound was good, maybe a little on the quiet side during BMG's set. Richie Hawtin was next, and spun about 3 hours. He started out trancy, then got more acidic as the night went on. He did some pretty amazing things with "Spastik" about 2/3 through his set. Overall, not the strongest set I've ever heard him spin but still damn good overall. I'm not sure who the DJ was after Richie -- the guy wearing the dread bag -- but he spun some nice weird acidic stuff that I think was freaking a few people out. The crowd thinned dramatically after Richie finished, and the warehouse instantly got about 10 degrees colder -- I think with fewer people generating heat it cooled off. Himadri finally got his live PA going at about 5:30 or so, but at this point we were all freezing, and additionally I got the news that, due to a mixup, 7 of us were going to have to pile into one Escort to get home (ACK!), so we took off. Moral -- next time I drive myself. :) The vibe was pretty frosty (matching the weather, I guess), at the beginning, but seemed to kick up a few notches after BMG started dropping the phat electro. :) At least, that's when I got into it. Big ups to the new guy on the list (sorry, didn't catch your name) who had the bucket of valentine hearts -- several people remarked on how cool that was. The crowd was largish, but not as big as it might have been if the weather had been more reasonable. The completely-wasted-teenybopper ratio also seemed to be a little lower than the last couple of parties I'd been to: substances were evident but folks seemed to "know their limits" (if only this were more consistently true...) No sign of Detroit's not-so-finest, either. On now: _Spanners_ - The Black Dog (utter genius) ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services marmoset@msen.com she so kooky Dave Walker From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 10:28:46 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA05833; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 10:28:46 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA05826; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 10:28:42 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by AC.GRIN.EDU (PMDF V4.3-9 #4381) id <01HN00UP0H0W8Y5SQS@AC.GRIN.EDU>; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 12:11:56 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 12:11:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) Subject: g e n e r a t i n g l o v e To: MW-RAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Message-id: <01HN00UP0H0Y8Y5SQS@AC.GRIN.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk I have slept, I have gone to one class...I have processed and I have learned. Now, I write. Love Generator got busted. I drove 8 long hours through Missouri, and it got shut down. No true explaniation, it just ended...no one knows the story but the police (yet) and that is the way it has to be. Let me pose a question, though...so? I had a FABULOUS time this weekend. I learned about myself, I learned aobut others, and I saw beauty in the things around me. I realized the positives of positivity, and what it actually means to be "good". Love Generator may have ended, but I know that I, and the people I traveled all those miles wtih took something home with them that they will never forget. First off, I fell off the "drug free mw-ravers list" this weekend. My apologies to the ones I let down (you know who you are...we will talk later). Why did I do the E? I'm not sure...but let me say something about it...it was perhaps the best roll of my life, not just the effects of the drug, but the positive after glow of the entire weekend that I am feeling today still. I came back to Grinnell after facing INCREDIBLE negativity (we kinda had our car searched and we sorta had to bail our driver out on the way home..but we were being stupid) and yet, I found a POSITIVE lining to the experience. Things are not always what they seemed. I was talking to some people and the thoughts that came out were this...a party is only a party if it is fun. Big lights don't make it a party, big sound don't make it a party. Its the people, the groove, the love of the music that makes it something wonderful. It is that FEELING that keeps me coming back. THis weekend I saw a lot of personal issues come full circle. I realized that Eric really does love me, and I him (yes, I said it). I realized if you are good to people, no matter how shitty some are to you, eventually you will come out on top. Shadyness does no good to anyone, it causes more harm than good...if you throw major shade and 'tude, it'll come back and haunt you. AS for Ted feeling the party at Astroboys was negative, I think you are very wrong, everyone that I associated with, asked for help finding my stuff were all incredibly willing to talk and share...GROWTH happened this weekend. Why do we go to parties? My question got answered during Traxx's set this weekend...the times when the people around you, as well as yourself, are having the time of your life with smiles and glee...that is why I go Why do I preach positivity? Karma. Be good, and good will be returned. When you are truly a good person, or one who does good...people realize that and they turn to you for guidance and help, and more simply love. I made a lot of new friends this weekend, and I hope to keep them for a long time. I also got a lot of old friends back...and they will stay. I've rambled long enoough...I can't explain WHY I felt the way I felt because I still see the positive vibe behind everything...I still cna touch the magic of the night be thinking happy thoughts... Tigger g e n e r a t e p e a c e g e n e r a t e h o p e g e n e r a t e t r u s t g e n e r a t e l o v e ...and always keep it low key From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 10:55:56 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA07186; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 10:55:56 -0800 Received: from student5.cl.msu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA07177; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 10:55:51 -0800 Received: from [35.8.189.73] by student5.cl.msu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/MSU-2.10) id AA38080; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 13:51:08 -0500 Message-Id: <9502131851.AA38080@student5.cl.msu.edu> X-Sender: macqueen@student5.msu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 13:55:30 -0500 To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: macqueen@student.msu.edu (Matt MacQueen) Subject: long-ish SWITCH review Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ABOUT SWITCH: I arrived with Kim Golebieski and friends around 12:00 or so. I kind of liked having to drive and park in to "the complex," it was spooky and cool, as usual. The freakiest part was once you went in that little tunnell, to pay, then you had to walk up through this huge huge empty room. And there was a giant (semi?) truck in there by the plastic that honestly looked like a tiny toy car, for scale. And we walked up to this door-shaped-hole in the plastic with stobe lights flashing out into the void where we were. I felt like I was in the movie 2010 or something... I kept telling people I wish I had my mini-cam for that. :) It was in the "back" of the Packard. They had lots of those "turbo heaters" set up, which >helped, but due to the _intense_ cold outside I don't think the >building ever got much warmer than 50 or 60 degrees. Yup. Call me a "Mom" or whatever, but I kept thinking someone was going to walk or sit too close in front of those little blast-furnaces, and light themselves up. (Hey, I actually saw it happen a couple of years ago, a guy was so fucked-up he didn't notice tha that his pant-leg had caught on fire!). About the cold, bear this in mind: 1. dress for the weather, not the Project-X magazine fashion show ;) 2. on any normal Michigan February party, you can expect temps between, say, zero and 20 degrees at night. But that night it was an extreme cold-snap, and last we checked the wind chill factor was like -35 degrees! Now, it's pretty hard to plan your party for ARTIC temps! I just don't think anyone thought it would be *that* cold. (I think that) Valdimir was spinning when we got there. Didn't really follow a "groove," I thought, some harder stuff that I didn't really think flowed, but to be fair, I only caught the tail end of his set. Next was Gillen's set, which I would describe as "fun." I love love love to hear quality electro (both '80's and '90's!) at techno parties, and frankly I wish there were more DJ's who work it into a set. Granted, electro is hard to mix at times, but definitely some of his mixing transitions were strained. Model 500's "Night Drive (through babylon)" was the crowd pleaser. Woooo! Take me back... :) [Dave said]: >Richie Hawtin was next, and spun about 3 hours. He started out >trancy, then got more acidic as the night went on. He did some >pretty amazing things with "Spastik" about 2/3 through his set. >Overall, not the strongest set I've ever heard him spin but >still damn good overall. Agreed. When he got warmed up I thought the vibe took off like a rocket, build-ups of acid and trance... all of a sudden the "other half" of the room was dancing too. The sound was a little louder, and he was tweaking the EQ's on and off to deepen that bass. It was pretty good sound, loud enough for me. I liked that he hit a few different styles in his set, even a house-to-disco-back-to-house record switch in there. I think I watched/danced almost his entire set.... gotta move to keep warm. :) [Dave said]: >I'm not sure who the DJ was after Richie -- the guy wearing the dread bag >-- but he spun some nice weird acidic stuff that I think was freaking a >few people out. The crowd thinned dramatically after Richie finished, and >the warehouse instantly got about 10 degrees colder -- I think with fewer >people generating heat it cooled off. I don't know who that was either but I really liked his selections, actually. Different and cool. Not sure how to describe it... but I liked it. After a way's into the next guy's set we took off, exhausted, right before Himadri's live P.A... [damn], I'm sorry they waited so long to do that becuase I think a lot of people were leaving cause it was so cold... If the party started at 11pm, then they waited 6.5 hours into the party to do his live set? [Dave said]: >The vibe was pretty frosty (matching the weather, I guess), at the >beginning, but seemed to kick up a few notches after BMG started dropping >the phat electro. :) At least, that's when I got into it. Yes, overall good crowd numbers and plenty of sound system to go around (that was a pretty big area to fill)... despite the cold I had a good time. It looked to me like the majority was dancing strong until well after Richie's set, after that a lot of people gravitated towards the heaters (or their cars). Good to see Ian and Jason A. (ann arbor), Dave W, many familiar folks from East Lansing too. Again, wish I would have heard Himadri. Maybe next time we'll skip the car thing and take Eskimo dog-sleds. Mush! Mush! :) On Now: hot coffee, Advil "cold and sinus formula" and D. Planets "blowout comb" peaceout. _______________________________________________________________________ Matt MacQueen GROWTH. Interface and Hypermedia Designer/Programmer Communication Technology Laboratory, Michigan State Univeristy _______________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 13:15:39 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA15716; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 13:15:39 -0800 Received: from ux5.cso.uiuc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA15708; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 13:15:35 -0800 Received: by ux5.cso.uiuc.edu id AA00889 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Mon, 13 Feb 1995 15:15:31 -0600 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 15:15:30 -0600 (CST) From: alvarez bob To: Andrew Bennett Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Alcohol at raves In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > What's the difference between a house party and a rave? Ummm... I'll leave > this up to the list and personal interpretation to differentiate between the > two. But what you went to sounds more like the 90210 "Rave". All the > elements are kinda there, but something just isn't right. > > Trouble in paradise. > > > > Andrew > -- > (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett > abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com > ; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 15:45:45 CDT Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 15:45:44 -0500 (CDT) Subject: How to buy "Upside Down" tapes... To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HN081N0O36000EO9@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"mw-raves@hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk As a way of replacing my lost money from "Upside Down" I am attempting to sell the tapes from the party. For those of you not familiar with the party, it was in Green Bay, Wisconsin on November 5th... If you would like more information about the sets, etc.. before buying email me. All tapes are on Maxell XL II High Bias tapes. Net-Ravers get a better price than if you were to buy them at a party! The price is $7.00 per tape (includes P&H) or $30.00 for all 5 (includes P&H) Send me your order and a check or money order payable to "Kimm Follett" My address is: Kimm Follett 2919 Holland Road Green Bay, WI 54313-7097 Tape 1: Phantom 45 (Chicago) and Acid Boy Todd P. (Milwaukee) Tape 2: Acid Boy Todd P. and Mindrive (Madison) Tape 3: Mindrive, Deadly Buda (Pittsburgh), and T-1000 (Detroit) Tape 4: T-1000 and ESP Woody McBride (Minneapolis) Tape 5: ESP, Spencer Kincy (Chicago) and Diz (Chicago) Thank you very much... Kimm Follett (Green Bay, Wisconsin) From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 13:52:40 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA18714; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 13:52:40 -0800 Received: from canopus.engin.umich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA18705; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 13:52:37 -0800 Received: (catarrh@localhost) by canopus.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id QAA29061; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:52:34 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:51:16 -0400 (EDT) From: mike wong Reply-To: mike wong Subject: Alcohol at HOUSE parties To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk today, robert said: > Well, all I have to say id that in REAL House culture > there had ALWAYS been alcohol. > believe it or not, roots and future hold hands. When you se those > alcohol-drinking party goers, that may be you some day. Although I don't > drink personally, I understand that House culture always had its > undesirable elements. You can't have it all. > i think i just read something on the list from someone who said like good lights are nice, good music is nice, but it's the people that make the party. although the roots of our music may be soaked in alcohol, we are now defined by the people and the vibe that brings them together, and alcohol does NOT help the vibe. --mike wong From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 13:58:53 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA19282; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 13:58:53 -0800 Received: from GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA19259; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 13:58:46 -0800 From: 948191KF@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU Received: from GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU by GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #8802) id <01HN08D7K274000EO9@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU>; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 15:57:47 CDT Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 15:57:46 -0500 (CDT) Subject: Brockout review and such. To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HN08D7LXPE000EO9@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My intentions were to go to St. Louis this past weekend but due to money problems with riders we went to "Brockout" instead... And left 2 hours later. It was cold, the vibe was just not there... The people I encountered were rude-- many "Gang-bangers" were there... we just were not having fun... I suppose it might've got better but we didn't care to stick around and find out. So after visiting friends in Chicago we drove back to Milwaukee and attended the after-party for Push 2, in Milwaukee. That was 10 times more rad than Chicago. Andi P from Madison spun, Sam Haskin, Wickett, even Kurt and Pat came back after the bust in Minneapolis and spun. The highlight of the night was the weird girl there that nobody knew. She hit on all of the guys, hit on all of the girls, puked all over, fell asleep, and later after most everybody left, she was tagged and stamped and woke up with a "Leave Now" sign on her lap. She didn't know where she was or where she came from. We told her where we were located street-wise and she left. Weird. She wasn't "raver-esque" She was probably someone on the street walking home from the bar and heard noise and saw people so she walked in...Big Mistake for her... You probably think we were all being cruel but we did wake her up about 4 times and ask her to leave before the markings occured... or something... BUT from what I hear Puchtue and Switch were THE places to be this weekend. And for those of you who went to Love Generator... someone who passed out flyers at Denny's in Louisville after the Uplift bust made sure to tell me that Love Generator would not be busted and if it was, people would get their money back. DID YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK???? See you at the FUK tour, Kimm Follett, Green Bay, WI From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 14:16:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA20899; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 14:16:19 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA20894; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 14:16:16 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.203.92]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14892; Mon, 13 Feb 95 14:17:53 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18102; Mon, 13 Feb 95 14:17:42 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19515; Mon, 13 Feb 95 16:17:14 CST Date: Mon, 13 Feb 95 16:17:14 CST Message-Id: <9502132217.AA19515@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mike wong From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: Re: Alcohol at HOUSE parties Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >today, robert said: >> Well, all I have to say id that in REAL House culture >> there had ALWAYS been alcohol. >> believe it or not, roots and future hold hands. When you se those >> alcohol-drinking party goers, that may be you some day. Although I don't >> drink personally, I understand that House culture always had its >> undesirable elements. You can't have it all. >> >i think i just read something on the list from someone >who said like good lights are nice, good music is nice, >but it's the people that make the party. >although the roots of our music may be soaked in alcohol, >we are now defined by the people and the vibe that >brings them together, and alcohol does NOT help the vibe. >--mike wong WRONG! what does not help the vibe is those people who drink alcohol when they knwo they shouldn't (either because they get violent or because they do really stupid/immature things when they are drunk). For me, people like that kill the vibe as much as a fucking suicidal epileptic dropping a dose. I'm a (frequent) drinker, and I like the feeling of one or two grams of alcohol in my blood. Doesn't mean that I drink till I fall or puke. Geez, sounds like the "know your limits" applies here too :) IMHO, yes, alcohol has its place at a house party. It always had. But well, my definition of a house party is only based on my Chicago experience (note ironic tone here). But no, I don't think there should be alcohol at most raves, and this is just a question of age. bambi nib@dlogics.com From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 14:38:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA22588; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 14:38:33 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA22582; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 14:38:30 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.9/2.2) id WAA09625; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 22:38:53 GMT Message-Id: <199502132238.WAA09625@mixcom.mixcom.com> Subject: Re: Alcohol at HOUSE parties To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:38:52 -40975532 (CST) From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" In-Reply-To: <9502132217.AA19515@dlogics.com> from "Nicolas Bamberski" at Feb 13, 95 04:17:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1776 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >> Well, all I have to say id that in REAL House culture > >> there had ALWAYS been alcohol. > >> > >although the roots of our music may be soaked in alcohol, > >we are now defined by the people and the vibe that > >brings them together, and alcohol does NOT help the vibe. > > WRONG! what does not help the vibe is those people who drink alcohol when they > knwo they shouldn't (either because they get violent or because they do really > stupid/immature things when they are drunk). For me, people like that kill > the vibe as much as a fucking suicidal epileptic dropping a dose. > > I'm a (frequent) drinker, and I like the feeling of one or two grams of > alcohol in my blood. Doesn't mean that I drink till I fall or puke. Geez, > sounds like the "know your limits" applies here too :) For those of us that do drugs to say that someone else's drug "shouldn't be allowed" seems kinda' arrogant and hypocritical. No, I don't drink, smoke, or a lot of other things... but I'm not in any position to tell someone else what not to do. Every drug we decide to take have both desirable and undesirable effects. Usually this is directly related to dosage. As a previous poster indicated, "know your limits". I don't see anything wrong with someone having a few beers if that contributes to them having a good time. It's the people who can't stop at just a few (whether that's beers, grams, hits, or whatever) that cause the problems. Whether you're falling down unconscious from too many beers or too much nitrous... it's the same thing. You're not participating in anything more than making yourself a burden on those around you. Think about what you do, and what effect it will have on others. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com, archon@hyperreal.com From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 15:52:53 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA27510; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 15:52:53 -0800 Received: from MAPLE.ucs.uwplatt.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA27501; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 15:52:49 -0800 From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #4908) id <01HN0BIJKRP209ZV5I@uwplatt.edu>; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 17:44:49 CST Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 17:44:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: Review: Puchtue To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HN0BIJKRP409ZV5I@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: MWRAVES MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, I guess I'll write a quick little review about my weekend and the Puchtue party. Basically, it was a blast. I'm really not sure what to say about everything, but the music was great, the people were great (but it was more club goers/gangsters than "ravers"), and I just wish I could of made it to the after hours (work sucks). We arrived around 6:45 to set up the Delerium booth, and there were a few people already there. Sam Haskins started things off with really good house, who was followed by Augusto, continueing with the house groove, and then Toby Tyler, who gradually switched over to acid trance. People flowed in all night, and when Yanu played his live set, there was actually a nice crowd of people, with a nice comfy vibe. Yanu's stuff was good, but I really didn't get into it as much as the others who were there. Next was Steven Kaye, playing his normal doseage of acidcore, who was followed by Todd. Both sets were really good. I was even able to listen to StevenJ in the second (bar) room, who was playing nice trance. We left just before things were scheduled to close, 2:00am, and I was able to keep a happy, "inside" feeling about the entire night. (Thank God, I'm going to need it with recent events within my life). As for the net ravers that were there, I only saw Craig S. ('Da minister of groove') and StevenJ. But, it was nice to talk about the state of our scene to the Massive man Craig some of the night. I'm not sure what the next event is going to be considering the speeding violation and parking/towing violation I've recieved as of late, but I'll be sure to let you all know.. Peace out, Ramylson ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke "If we were not here, material 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' events like the passage of the seasons 608.342.3196 would lack even the meager meanings Fun House Productions we are able to muster for them." --Annie Dillard-- ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 15:58:14 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA27839; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 15:58:14 -0800 Received: from m-net148.arbornet.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA27834; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 15:58:08 -0800 Received: by m-net148.arbornet.org (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0reAeS-000hcMC; Mon, 13 Feb 95 18:57 WET Message-Id: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 95 18:57 WET From: digiworx@m-net.arbornet.org (Jonas Truman) To: Craig.Stodolenak@mixcom.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Alcohol at HOUSE parties Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >smoke, or a lot of other things... but I'm not in any position to tell >someone else what not to do. You're in a position when their problem is imposing on your environment, and the environment of those around you. In my estimation, alcohol is the lamest source of stimulation and intoxication, besides gasoline, that I can think of. Why anyone would want to get fall down dumb drunk is beyond my grasp of understanding. Anywhich way, moderation is always the key - but when y ou get piss stupid drunk, and are imposing your sick ass self on the vibe, that becomes everyones problem. Same with acid, meth, etc., etc., blah, blah, blah. Like what's happening lately at alot of minneapolis parties with the explosion in interest in crystal meth. No one wants to be the condescending shit that says hey whatcher doing is lame and dangerous to yourself and everyone who gives a rip about your strung out ass; but someone, at some point, has to say it. earache yeahWHATheSAID beatPHREAKsociety From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 16:28:30 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA00771; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:28:30 -0800 Received: from detroit.freenet.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA00764; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:28:27 -0800 Received: (from ae890@localhost) by detroit.freenet.org (8.6.9/869.2) id TAA13651; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:28:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:28:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199502140028.TAA13651@detroit.freenet.org> From: ae890@detroit.freenet.org (Ian Malbon) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: (fwd) ALERT! Klinton suspends the rest of the 4th by EO (fwd) Reply-To: ae890@detroit.freenet.org Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I believe it was Kurt who recently suggested that the search and seizure Exec Order (related to foreign intelligence operations) was relatively irrelevant with regard to raves. Oh contrare, mon frere! Expect frequent searches and seizures at raves, as soon as the powers that be come to understand these innocuous dance fests for what they really are: A L I E N I N T E L L I G E N C E O P E R A T I O N S ! ! ! ;) -- [::::::::::::::::::::] Therefore, I.M. [::::::::::::::::::::::::] [:::::::::::::::] ae890@detroit.freenet.org [:::::::::::::::::::] [:::::::] "Pulsora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis." [::::::::] From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 16:31:52 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA01116; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:31:52 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA01106; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:31:47 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.9/2.2) id AAA15078; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 00:32:12 GMT Message-Id: <199502140032.AAA15078@mixcom.mixcom.com> Subject: Re: Brockout review and such. To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 18:32:11 -40975532 (CST) From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" In-Reply-To: <01HN08D7LXPE000EO9@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU> from "948191KF@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU" at Feb 13, 95 03:57:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1702 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > The highlight of the night was > the weird girl there that nobody knew. She hit on all of the guys, hit on all > of the girls, puked all over, fell asleep, and later after most everybody left, > she was tagged and stamped and woke up with a "Leave Now" sign on her lap. She > didn't know where she was or where she came from. We told her where we were > located street-wise and she left. Weird. She wasn't "raver-esque" She was > probably someone on the street walking home from the bar and heard noise and > saw people so she walked in...Big Mistake for her... Just because she wasn't "raver-esque", just because she didn't know what was going on, that was a reason to say it was a "mistake" for her to come in? I have a problem with that. Earlier this summer we were talking about "undesirable" people coming into "our" parties. As soon as you cop that attitude, you're placing yourself above everyone. Putting up isolationist barriers between people. Making a "us" and "them" out of a "we". No, not everyone is going to "fit in", and some will even cause problems. But to take the stance that there are newbies who are making a "mistake" by coming to a rave is a bad starting point, if you ask me. > You probably think we were all being cruel but we did wake her up about 4 times > and ask her to leave before the markings occured... or something... Sounds pretty childish to me. If she was causing problems and refusing to leave, I believe it was the responsibility of the people running the party to remove her. Not mark her up and put a humiliating sign on her. Yes, she got out of hand. But so was the response. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com, archon@hyperreal.com From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 16:40:41 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA02081; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:40:41 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA02074; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 16:40:37 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.9/2.2) id AAA15400; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 00:41:02 GMT Message-Id: <199502140041.AAA15400@mixcom.mixcom.com> Subject: Re: Alcohol at HOUSE parties To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 18:41:02 -40975532 (CST) From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" In-Reply-To: from "Jonas Truman" at Feb 13, 95 06:57:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 916 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Anywhich way, moderation is always the key - but when y ou get piss stupid > drunk, and are imposing your sick ass self on the vibe, that becomes everyones > problem. Same with acid, meth, etc., etc., blah, blah, blah. > > Like what's happening lately at alot of minneapolis parties with the explosion > in interest in crystal meth. No one wants to be the condescending shit that says > hey whatcher doing is lame and dangerous to yourself and everyone who gives a > rip about your strung out ass; but someone, at some point, has to say it. If you care about someone and are concerned about their drug use, LET THEM KNOW. Don't be all cool and blase' and think that you're uncool if you're worried... WE HAVE TO WATCH OUT FOR EACH OTHER. Please. If we don't look after one another, if we don't place some trust in our friends... then who will? -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com, archon@hyperreal.com From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 19:21:17 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA22279; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:21:17 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA22272; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:21:15 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502140321.TAA22272@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: zero tolerance (fwd) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:21:15 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1078 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** This message is being forwarded by Andrew. Watch your reply headers ** if you do reply and make sure it's to the right person. (ie, not me). ** The list address is mw-raves@hyperreal.com, NOT mw-raves-owner@... >From BOSSEN_C@CC.DENISON.EDU Mon Feb 13 18:05:16 1995 From: BOSSEN_C@CC.DENISON.EDU Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:04:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: zero tolerance To: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HN0JBUOI76004NY6@CC.DENISON.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Along the lines of this fourth amendent stuff does any one remember reagan's zero tolerance bs? I am just curious how this relates to Clinton's ex. order. Is 0 tolerance still in effect or did it go away when reagan left office. I would agoligize for my ignorance but I suppose there is no excuse. Sorry if this not exactly rave related. colinb. -- (c) 1995, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com Andrew's Page From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 19:41:37 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA23405; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:41:37 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA23395; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:41:32 -0800 Received: from [140.174.95.21] (smellen.cyborganic.com [140.174.95.21]) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA05224 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 19:40:08 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 23:48:18 -0800 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: Ellen Steuer Subject: love generator Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk all and all i had a really cool weekend. i was very disappointed when we arrived in st. louis after a 6 hour drive and found out about the party being shut down. we drove around for a few hours, and let me say that i think the buildings in st. louis are way rad, then went back to explore the empty space where the party was for like 1.5 hours. it was very cool but kinda sad but nice...i dunno. we arrived at the evil afterhours location at around 4am. we left promptly. yuck. things got mucho better after that. i am soooo happy we stumbled upon a BALD jj outside. gosh, he always seems to save the day. he led us to nitro and some other people's apt. where we chilled and malcolm (TIS) played a groovy as ever set. i heard we had just missed mike dearborn..oh well. sorry mike. at 8ish we went back to the afterhours to see dubtribe... much better this time. there was actually room to dance! much groovier people were there too. i met so many new freaks and had time to actually sit and talk to the old freaks:) that was the best part about the weekend. i love you guys:) i am so glad i know so many cool people. i wish i could have seen all of you i was supposed to like leigh and kris and tigger and jessica and mike and so many other people. never made it to astroboy's so i guess thats partly why. i had a good weekend, kinda emotional like, and i hope to see you all again soon and meet all of you i didn't get to. thanks to everyone that was a part of my weekend. i hope everything turns out ok with the superstars and anyone else who had problems with those guys in blue. anyone gonna be in chicago for the logic trance party next weekend? l8r ellen `/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/* Ellen Steuer ellen@cyborganic.com G L EEE *** *** MM MM SSS W W I G GGGG L E E SSS * * * * M M M M S S W W GGGG G G L EEEEE S S * * * * M M M S W W W I G G GGGG L E S * * * M M S W W W I GGGG G L E E S * * M M S S W W I G G G LLLLL EEE S S * * _______ SSS * __________ G G GG ______________ SSS * * / ***** \______/**********\ GG ____/**************\_____ * * *_______ *******__________ \_____/******_____________****** * /_______\______/__________\*******_____/_____________\_____ / \______/Anonymous \\_____/____/ 414.228.0669 \_____ \_____/ From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 20:24:20 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA25762; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 20:24:20 -0800 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA25746; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 20:24:04 -0800 Received: from [128.135.137.31] (shoreland2-31.rh.uchicago.edu) by midway.uchicago.edu for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Mon, 13 Feb 95 22:23:28 CST Message-Id: <9502140423.AA28754@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 23:30:47 +0100 To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: srlenard@midway.uchicago.edu (Steven Lenard) Subject: Well, the prez isn't the only one playing Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Actually last Thursday I think it was thater was an article in the NY times about the fact that the House of Reps passed a bill which basically does what Stevenj says this EO does. chances are it will get lightly toasted and munched in theSenate and will never be seen again. The way things work now is that evidence obtained illegally is already admissible in court under a few conditions. a cop does not need a warrant if he can A> prove that there was a large chance the evidence in question would be destroyed before a warrant could be obtained or B> he can prove to a judg ethat he was acting in"good faith", in other words, that he thought he was doing the right thing. This last one sounds hokey but it is actually hard to prove "good faith" with a good defense attorney in the room. This bill would change the qualifications for "good faith" and make them less stringent to allow LOADS more eveidence in. While I doubt there is any need to panic there IS more at stake than the fate of spys. By the way, none of you know me except one guy whom I sent a message to because i didn't know how to post. hello all. Steven From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 20:50:44 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA26917; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 20:50:44 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA26908; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 20:50:40 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.9/2.2) id EAA25210; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 04:51:07 GMT Message-Id: <199502140451.EAA25210@mixcom.mixcom.com> Subject: Re: Brockout review and such. (fwd) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 22:51:06 -40975532 (CST) From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1076 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Forwarded message: > From: > Subject: Re: Brockout review and such. > > Well, I agree with both Kimm and Craig. *shrug* There are times > when I feel that certain people don't belong at the events we might go to. > Especially when they cause problems with the people or the party itself. > But, I feel what happened to her after she was destructive, was totally > unnecessary. I guess we find ourselves in a catch 22. For our scene can > only survive if we "invite" others into it, but then we schun them for > not knowing how to act, etc. So, what do we do? > > > _____________________________________________________________________________ > > Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke "If we were not here, material > 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' events like the passage of the seasons > 608.342.3196 would lack even the meager meanings > Fun House Productions we are able to muster for them." > --Annie Dillard-- > _____________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 21:16:52 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA28147; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:16:52 -0800 Received: from lulu.acns.nwu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA28139; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:16:49 -0800 Received: from [129.105.9.56] (elvex56.acns.nwu.edu) by lulu.acns.nwu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.11/20.3) id AA021198993; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 23:16:33 -0600 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 23:16:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199502140516.AA021198993@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: dps927@nwu.edu (david siska) X-Sender: dps927@lulu.acns.nwu.edu Subject: Re: love generator Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey everyone! it makes me very happy to see that people had such a good time this weekend despite the fact that love generator got shut down! :) i was on the '3-day' bus trip the left from milwaukee, stopped in chicago, and proceeded to st louis on friday night. this trip was well organized (all things considered) by the freebass organization. for $35 we were given crash space, peanut butter and jelly, and three parties. the crash space was the 'evil' afterhours location. the music in that place just did not stop (except for the time when we were getting booted out of love generator). the highlight of my weekend was spinning a 2-hour set on saturday afternoon... BIG thanks to the person whose rekkids i used :P =) my comments: the space for love generator was among the best i've seen. three large rooms, including an actual ambient room with many couches... lotsa porta-potties and laser light in the second room, colorful i-beams in the main room. as far as the police manhandling people is concerned, i didn't see any of it, although i saw them being rough with some guy who had a lunchbox full of acid and (rumor has it) a sizeable bag of pills. our bus took off from love generator to the place we had stayed the night before. they said they'd only let in the people from our two bus trips... that worked for about an hour or so, then the place just exploded with people. that was horrible... i saw a few net ravers (bambi, jay, erin, and hobbes) which was comforting. i decided that the only thing i could do was to wait for the place to thin out... but then someone announced that 'the three-day bus from milwaukee will be leaving shortly'... uh, what? well, granted it was crowded in there, but kicking us out didn't really help matters. it was disappointing to leave, and it took 12 hours to get back to chicago due to bus trouble. but all in all, it was a great experience... i haven't been so sleep deprived in a LONG time! :) 8) dave/chemdave ps i'm curious to know when the other chicago bus left... From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 21:24:02 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA28503; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:24:02 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA28481; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:23:59 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502140523.VAA28481@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Ta-Da! Normal list @ 200! To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:23:59 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 581 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is odd how this happened... But +8 Records is the first 200th subscriber to the new normal email list (not counting the digest or the calendar). Said a buddy of mine.. "It's a sign!" :) There are about 115 on mw-raves-calendar and about 45 or so on mw-raves-digest. Keep pumping, guys. Goal for mw-raves: flame-wars down. hype down. constructive criticism up. music chat up. list downtime nil. Feel free to do your part. Andrew -- (c) 1995, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com Andrew's Page From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 21:34:54 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA29056; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:34:54 -0800 Received: from grex.cyberspace.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA29047; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 21:34:47 -0800 Received: (from abductee@localhost) by grex.cyberspace.org (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA10657; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 00:34:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 00:29:52 -0500 (EST) From: Ted Weinberg Subject: LoveGen Aftermath Update To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Andy was bailed out the same day by Ann of AnodeBAM. There were <<8>> tanks in all in his house. Thanks very much Ann for taking responsibility!! Also, the Superstars of Love have promised to throw a free party to make up for all the people who bought tix. ted From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 22:15:30 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id WAA00824; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 22:15:30 -0800 Received: from ux5.cso.uiuc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA00815; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 22:15:27 -0800 Received: by ux5.cso.uiuc.edu id AA06664 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 00:15:26 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 00:15:26 -0600 (CST) From: alvarez bob To: david siska Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: love generator In-Reply-To: <199502140516.AA021198993@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk What's the moral of the story with all the whining about L.G.'s bust?? You should have went to brockout!! easy, robert From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 22:26:31 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id WAA01328; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 22:26:31 -0800 Received: from tigerden.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA01321; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 22:26:25 -0800 Received: by tigerden.com id AA07133 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 01:26:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 01:26:31 -0500 (EST) From: "D.A.C. Crowell" To: alvarez bob Cc: david siska , mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: love generator In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Feb 1995, alvarez bob wrote: > What's the moral of the story with all the whining about L.G.'s bust?? > You should have went to brockout!! I'm sorry, but this is a ridiculous attitude to take. It smacks of a real "nyah, nyah, nyah" sort of feel...not what's needed. If anything, you should show some more sympathy for those who got their chains yanked in St. Louis this past weekend...wouldn't you want the same if it were the event _you_ were at getting busted and it was _you_ having your time and fun wasted by Tha Boyz N Blue? Just a point to ponder...engage brain prior to activating fingers next time out. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\ "We have come to the edge of a world which D.A.C. Crowell |offers us the limits of the accessible, of the Audio Design and Programming |unpredictable; it must be possible for some- The Aerodyne Works |thing not of this world to find a way through, Champaign, IL, USA. |something that hitherto could not be found by dacc@tigerden.com |any radio station on this earth. Let us set <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>/ out to look for it!" --Karlheinz Stockhausen From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 22:51:12 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id WAA02271; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 22:51:12 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA02265; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 22:51:09 -0800 From: CZ5@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA076424439; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 01:47:21 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 01:47:21 -0500 Message-Id: <950214003837_21144528@aol.com> To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: More on Love Generator..... Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Despite several rumors that the promoters didn't have the necesarry permits, they did. David (of Superstars) was taken in to jail and kept there until 7:00 am. The reason the voice mail wasn't updated was because their personal code was taken from them and they couldn't access it. Although he couldn't be very specific, David said that someone from higher up did *not* want the event to go through and all the permits in the world could not have saved their asses from the St. Louis pigs. For those who went please call the voice mail (they got it back) and hear what he has to say.....also leave your name and number if you incurred any kind of loss as a result of what happened. Keep believing in the Superstars.......they will be back! Czarina From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 13 23:23:41 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id XAA03611; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 23:23:41 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA03604; Mon, 13 Feb 1995 23:23:32 -0800 From: MaxximumSL@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA14417; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 02:24:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 02:24:46 -0500 Message-Id: <950214005708_21155129@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: MaXXimum's new tel Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk MaXXimum Sound and Lights, inc 117 West St Catherine Louisville, KY 40203 Tel : 502.568.3815 (noon til 7 pm) Fax : 502.568.1943 (24 hours a day) To contact Bruce Noe, Cruel Dave, Beth, French E, Finn or Jennifer, use MaxximumSL@aol.com Thank you French E From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 00:41:44 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id AAA06720; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 00:41:44 -0800 Received: from UNIX1.CC.YSU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA06715; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 00:41:42 -0800 Received: by UNIX1.CC.YSU.EDU id AA33405 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 03:42:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 03:42:39 -0500 (EST) From: TROUT SOUP Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Alcohol at raves In-Reply-To: <01HMYPGZ7ZJ6003BU4@CC.DENISON.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 12 Feb 1995 MCMILL_C@cc.denison.edu wrote: > question comes in. What is the point of people bringing beer and stuff into > raves? It seems so stupid to me. I hate it so much. The problem was that > there was beer flowing into the house like there was no tomorrow. Am I alone > in saying that Alcohol and raves don't mix? I know there is the argument that > drugs are just as bad as beer, but I beg to differ. With alot of drugs, > there is just a mello-ness. Alcohol just makes people drunk and annoying. alcohol is just another drug, take it or leave it. people on x or a can be incoherent and annoying too. people on coke can be violent. drugs have good and bad side effects. oh well. later all.... generic tagline: no quote today because my brain is broken. so there. youngstown ohio 44504 email: s0176326@cc.ysu.edu \ jffocht@gateway.cis.ysu.edu From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 00:49:55 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id AAA06987; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 00:49:55 -0800 Received: from bronze.coil.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA06978; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 00:49:52 -0800 Received: from localhost (eluna@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) id DAA11188; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 03:51:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 03:50:59 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Luna To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: "music chat up" In-Reply-To: <199502140523.VAA28481@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ok lets talk musak again. i havent bought anything in a long time but i have a couple beefs/comments id like to share: 1) there seem to be too few ppl who care that most jungle nowadays uses the same fuckin break sample (the infamous "amen" beat)...i thought the point of breaks was to utilize sampling in creative ways, not to be slavishly stuck on just one beat (thats what drum machines are for). 2) i havent liked anything on d-jax up beats since mike dearborn's grey vinyl thingy a while ago...wat up?!?! i think its getting too weird-- experimental but in a very self-conscious, frivolous kind of way. 3) if you havent already heard, electro/breakdance music is BAAACK. apparently there are new LABELS of this shit coming out from england; anyone know anything yet? meself i am down with detroit's electro like drexciya, underground resistance, and the odd kenny larkin track... 4) is ambient DEAD?!?!?!! i am struggling to find ANY good ambient even tho i have been in the mood to waste the cash. last good thing i herd was something called "deep blue bass" (i think) on blue vinyl...has a nice rendered silver planet on the cover. nice ambient with one track goin out sooper slow hip hop styley. 5) this one is for you, andrew. "muuuussiiicccc makes u move" ill be at VGER in dayton, y'all...look for the frizzy haired, glasses-toting, beatnik-looking character in the basement ++ e d e l e m e n t a l From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 00:57:24 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id AAA07252; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 00:57:24 -0800 Received: from bronze.coil.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA07247; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 00:57:22 -0800 Received: from localhost (eluna@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) id DAA11228; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 03:58:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 03:58:29 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Luna To: mwraves Subject: ele mentals at VGER Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yo, ho's...ele mental'll be in effect in dayton this weekend! i talked to da main ill(comm)uminator kourosh, and it looks like we'll have a little room for ourselves...in the basement, with a KITCHEN i am tempted to make waffles... anyways ill be dere, ram o.s., monochrome, titonton, drift, doughboy, placebo, an all dem bitches cum on bi ++ e d e l e m e n t a l idiot boieeee From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 01:22:54 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id BAA08152; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 01:22:54 -0800 Received: from mbox.ualr.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA08147; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 01:22:51 -0800 From: MCMASSEY@ualr.edu Received: from athena.ualr.edu by UALR.EDU (PMDF V4.2-11 #4503) id <01HN0WO0RBYO00274P@UALR.EDU>; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 03:22:48 CDT Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 03:22:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: My 2 Pennies On The Big Weekend In St. Louis.... To: MW-RAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Message-id: <950214032242.20268d05@ualr.edu> X-Envelope-to: MW-RAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Hey Everyone! I Usualy Don't Post (Yes, I'm A Lurker) But I'm Going To Start... Here's Why: I Got To Meet A Bunch Of You There (I Was The Quiet Person Kevin <-The Tall Dude Hugging Evrybody<- Was With.... After The Policeman's Ball We Headed Over To Astro's No Fancy Lighting, Visuals & Big Sound System... & It Was Hype?! That's Right... The Only Disco Lighting Was The Lumination Of My Glowsticks... I Totally Agree With Tigger... This Was The Most Enlightning Party I've Ever Been To. Traxx Showed Us What It's All About: The Vibe Is Our Common Bond & It Won't B Broken... The Place Lit Up When Trax LAyed The House & Droped In A Little Disco & Even James Brown! All The Ravers Were Friendly & Warm A Positive Aurora Was Above Evrything It Was Full Of Energy And Everyone Had Fun It Was Sad To See The Cops Come In At 1pm And Shut Us Down.... That Type Of Part Could've Lasted Forever You All Were PHAT & It Was Fun Hangin At Union Station Clueless On What Was Going On.... I've Got The 1200's Warmed Up, So Expect To See Me Spinning Soon, PriZm From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 06:19:52 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id GAA17614; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 06:19:52 -0800 Received: from oistrakh.msen.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA17609; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 06:19:50 -0800 Received: from garnet.msen.com (garnet.msen.com [148.59.1.11]) by oistrakh.msen.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA01819 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 09:19:47 -0500 Received: by garnet.msen.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0reO6a-0013IRC; Tue, 14 Feb 95 09:19 EST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 09:19:51 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Walker X-Sender: marmoset@garnet.msen.com To: Midwest Raves List Subject: Re: "music chat up" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Feb 1995, Ed Luna wrote: > ok lets talk musak again. yep. :) > 3) if you havent already heard, electro/breakdance music is BAAACK. > apparently there are new LABELS of this shit coming out from england; > anyone know anything yet? meself i am down with detroit's electro like > drexciya, underground resistance, and the odd kenny larkin track... There's also a new label out of the UK, Clear, run by one of the people behind Rephlex. I haven't heard any of the material yet, but there's some _very_ big names slated to release stuff there -- Pritchard/Middleton (Global Comm/Reload), Mike Paradinas (mu-ziq), Drexciya, Autechre, Black Dog... not to mention the rest of the electro underground in Detroit (Dopplereffekt, etc.) Hell, Detrechno had a _huge_ (local) hit single here. > 4) is ambient DEAD?!?!?!! i am struggling to find ANY good ambient even > tho i have been in the mood to waste the cash. last good thing i herd > was something called "deep blue bass" (i think) on blue vinyl...has a > nice rendered silver planet on the cover. nice ambient with one track > goin out sooper slow hip hop styley. FAX is still kicking ass (very softly, of course), if you like that sound. _Namlook VII: Subharmonic Interference_ is amazing. I've pretty much given up on ambient comps, though -- too many Johnny-come-latelys cashing in on ambient's current financial lucrativeness. I assume you have Global Comm's _76:14_? Very good. if you're into the dark stuff, try the _Isolationism_ comp on Virgin. Also, everyone should go get the new Black Dog. I mean it, it's that good. They work those bizarre rhythms into the tracks and make it feel seamless, and (unlike FSOL) use their samples to _enhance_ their compositions, rather than to substitute for melody & harmonics. > ill be at VGER in dayton, y'all...look for the frizzy haired, > glasses-toting, beatnik-looking character in the basement see ya there on now: Drexciya "Uncharted EP" [I know I'm scum ;) ] ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker marmoset@msen.com new frontiers in pleasure management Dave Walker From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 06:45:41 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id GAA18718; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 06:45:41 -0800 Received: from silver.ucs.indiana.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA18712; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 06:45:38 -0800 Received: by silver.ucs.indiana.edu (5.65c+/10jsm) id AA06806; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 09:45:39 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 09:45:38 -0500 (EST) From: kyle burress Subject: A NEW HOPE To: mw-raves Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk friends..... on april 15, 1995 Kelly & Kyle (eonion & spaceboy) bring..... A NEW HOPE Indianapolis, IN *details soon* 812-330-3976 * kburress@ucs.indiana.edu peace ************** BE WHO YOU ARE ************** From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 07:45:57 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA21141; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 07:45:57 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA21125; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 07:45:53 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA21423; Tue, 14 Feb 95 09:47:38 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id JAA14161; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 09:43:29 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08059; Tue, 14 Feb 95 09:45:12 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04536; Tue, 14 Feb 95 09:45:11 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502141545.AA04536@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: Brockout review and such. To: Craig.Stodolenak@mixcom.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 9:45:11 CST Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199502140032.AAA15078@mixcom.mixcom.com>; from "Craig L. Stodolenak" at Feb 13, 95 6:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } Sounds pretty childish to me. If she was causing problems and refusing } to leave, I believe it was the responsibility of the people running the } party to remove her. Not mark her up and put a humiliating sign on her. } Yes, she got out of hand. But so was the response. } there is something to be said for maturity and tact - something the scene seems to be having less and less of every day - and thats the real problem as the scene gets younger and younger is that the maturity and responsiblity level goes down - negatively affecting the vibe IMHO of course - --Kurt "coulda sprouted a paragraph or two but decided to spare you" osis -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- -> have you ever been in intellectual combat with an unarmed person, and <- -> not given them a running head start? <- From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 07:51:41 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA21411; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 07:51:41 -0800 Received: from infochi.infochi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA21405; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 07:51:34 -0800 Received: by infochi.infochi.com id AA17014 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 09:52:44 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:51:42 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Shea Subject: Re: Alcohol at raves To: alvarez bob Cc: Andrew Bennett , mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 13 Feb 1995, alvarez bob wrote: > Well, all I have to say id that in REAL House culture (that is House music, > what most of you listen to in manipulated forms like Gabber and acid), > there had ALWAYS been alcohol. So the people who seem to be complaining > about this all don't know half the story. Alcohol was and still is > consumed by many House enthusiasts. I know there are many that show up at > events and drink and become shit-faced, but you have to realize that, > believe it or not, roots and future hold hands. When you se those > alcohol-drinking party goers, that may be you some day. Although I don't > drink personally, I understand that House culture always had its > undesirable elements. You can't have it all. so we can't discuss it? We can't say, "Fuk Dat" to drunken assholes knocking people over? Just because it's part of the history of (some) of the "house culture", that doesn't make it alright. Stu From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 07:53:14 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA21517; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 07:53:14 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA21511; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 07:53:12 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.203.92]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02957; Tue, 14 Feb 95 07:55:00 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04252; Tue, 14 Feb 95 07:54:58 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26547; Tue, 14 Feb 95 09:54:39 CST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 09:54:39 CST Message-Id: <9502141554.AA26547@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: alvarez bob From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: Re: love generator Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >What's the moral of the story with all the whining about L.G.'s bust?? >You should have went to brockout!! >easy, >robert well, despite all the problems in St.Louis this weekend, at least EVERYONE I saw had a great vibe (ya know, none of what is known as the j******t attitude). Anyway, hope you had as much fun at Brockout as I did in St.Love. bambi nib@dlogics.com From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 08:22:02 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA22845; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:22:02 -0800 Received: from ux5.cso.uiuc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA22835; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:21:59 -0800 Received: by ux5.cso.uiuc.edu id AA16029 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:19:32 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:19:32 -0600 (CST) From: alvarez bob To: "D.A.C. Crowell" Cc: david siska , mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: love generator In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Feb 1995, D.A.C. Crowell wrote: > > I'm sorry, but this is a ridiculous attitude to take. It smacks of a real > "nyah, nyah, nyah" sort of feel...not what's needed. If anything, you > should show some more sympathy for those who got their chains yanked in > St. Louis this past weekend...wouldn't you want the same if it were the > event _you_ were at getting busted and it was _you_ having your time and > fun wasted by Tha Boyz N Blue? Personally, I just wanted to make the point that you would have gotten a quality event in Chicago, for all you Chicago massive. No need for an exodous out of the city to enjoy some good music. Although you'd argue that the Jungle vibe all of you "hear" about isn't a desirable, it's just a different vibe. Not necessarily a bad one, but a soulful one. a bust is always unwelcome, but i don't have to drive 8 hrs. to risk that. For somethiong as risky as that, i'd rather stay near my home. > From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 08:22:48 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA22912; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:22:48 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA22906; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:22:46 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.203.92]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03265; Tue, 14 Feb 95 08:22:04 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04982; Tue, 14 Feb 95 08:21:59 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27346; Tue, 14 Feb 95 10:21:39 CST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 10:21:39 CST Message-Id: <9502141621.AA27346@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: digiworx@m-net.arbornet.org (Jonas Truman) From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: Re: Alcohol at HOUSE parties Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Jonas Truman said: >In my estimation, alcohol is the lamest source of stimulation and intoxication, >besides gasoline, that I can think of. What do you base your estimation on? self experience, lame clubs and frat parties? Alcohol has the advantage of being relatively cheap, widely available, tasting good if you know what to drink (I'll take a glass of Moet&Chandon over a smart drink anytime), and for some is a very good high (mild and long). Of course, it takes a bit of experience to know how to enjoy it (something that you learn very early in France for example is not to mix certain liquors if you don't want to get sick, duh!) >Why anyone would want to get fall down dumb drunk is beyond my grasp of >understanding. please, that's a really extreme sentence (and a cheap shot). We are not talking about the 15 year old kid discovering the left overs from his big bro's keg party, we are talking about mature people being able to enjoy something that has been enjoyed, in success, for centuries. I suggest you read "Gargantua" by Rabelais (XVIth century) and notice how great were raves at that time, the sound system consisting of warmed-up buddies powered by that weird fermented grape juice. Something else has to be said in that little discussion: an asshole sober is still an asshole when he/she is drunk and I think it's kinda comforting to know who you are dealing with (unlike w/ many drugs). bambi nib@dlogics.com From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 08:24:38 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA23031; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:24:38 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA23019; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:24:35 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0reRSs-0000KTC; Tue, 14 Feb 95 11:55 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: Chicago this weekend To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:55:06 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 327 Forwarded message: ::From: Ellen Steuer :: ::anyone gonna be in chicago for the logic trance party next weekend? A party of trance I would not miss. See ya there! - stevenJ t r a n c e l e m e n t a l i s t t h o u g h t a subsidiary of kharmachanic industries stevenJ --- emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 08:25:34 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA23096; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:25:34 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA23091; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:25:33 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0reRTo-0000KTC; Tue, 14 Feb 95 11:56 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: Logic Trance To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:56:04 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 154 And while we're on the subject... Does anyone know the 411 on this party? What are the expectations of a bust? Who is throwing the thing? - stevenJ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 08:26:28 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA23167; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:26:28 -0800 Received: from ux5.cso.uiuc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA23162; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:26:25 -0800 Received: by ux5.cso.uiuc.edu id AA17860 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:26:03 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:26:03 -0600 (CST) From: alvarez bob To: Stu Shea Cc: Andrew Bennett , mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Alcohol at raves In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Feb 1995, Stu Shea wrote: > > so we can't discuss it? We can't say, "Fuk Dat" to drunken assholes > knocking people over? Just because it's part of the history of (some) of > the "house culture", that doesn't make it alright. > > Stu Well, Stu, I just want to know what you meant by that "(some)" part of this response. robert ====== From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 08:30:25 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA23524; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:30:25 -0800 Received: from desire.wright.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA23515; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 08:30:23 -0800 From: S005MDK@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU Received: from desire.wright.edu by desire.wright.edu (PMDF V4.3-13 #2485) id <01HN1CU2V3BA8Y5EOO@desire.wright.edu>; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Joey Beltrum To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HN1CU2VCYW8Y5EOO@desire.wright.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"mw-raves@hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey Everone If you are coming to VGER this weekend and you like Joey Beltram, you may want to be here on the 17th. He is spinning at one of the local clubs (The Asylum). If intrested I can give spefic instructions, just e-mail me. Hope to meet alout of you this weekend Matt Normal Guy E-mail s005mdk@desire.wright.edu From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 09:24:36 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA26509; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 09:24:36 -0800 Received: from po.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA26501; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 09:24:30 -0800 Received: from o231-12.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (o231-12.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu [137.112.20.21]) by po.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA03697 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:24:30 -0500 From: "William K. Baran" Received: (baranwk@localhost) by o231-12.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA00539 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:24:29 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:24:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199502141724.MAA00539@o231-12.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.87.1) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.87.1) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: g e n e r a t i n g l o v e Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Tigger wrote : > First off, I fell off the "drug free mw-ravers list" this weekend. > My apologies to the ones I let down (you know who you are...we will > talk later). Hey Tigger, I hope this isn't you looking down on those who enjoy doing some drugs? Are you letting the opinions of others bring you down? If you want to do something, it should be _your_ decision, and you shouldn't be ashamed of that. Defend your decisions, don't upset yourself because someone may not agree with you. I'll admit that i enjoy taking drugs once in a while, both at and away from raves. And _no_ i don't go to raves for drugs, and _yes_ i have gone to a rave sober. But I guess I'm just not good enough to be part of the "drug free mw-ravers list." Atleast I was opened minded enough to try them in the first place, and bold enough to admit my opinions and not care what others think. And the sad thing is, that many of you are going to think I'm a bad person for doing drugs (as Tigger must think for making the appology), and you'll look down on me without knowing anything about me. Sirkut From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 09:36:59 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA27249; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 09:36:59 -0800 Received: from desire.wright.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA27243; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 09:36:57 -0800 Received: from dayton.wright.edu by desire.wright.edu (PMDF V4.3-13 #2485) id <01HN1G25EUFK8Y5K40@desire.wright.edu>; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by dayton.wright.edu; id AA00193; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:36:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:36:30 -0500 From: Jim Waiter Subject: Asylum, Dayton To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <9502141736.AA00193@dayton.wright.edu> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > If you are coming to VGER this weekend and you like Joey Beltram, you > may want to be here on the 17th. He is spinning at one of the local clubs >(The Asylum). If intrested I can give spefic instructions, just e-mail me. Yes BELTRAM is spinning the 17th and the next weekend MARK FARINA is spinning at this club. There is also going to be a pre-party with dj's at a local ravegear outlet, Stigmata, before the Farina gig on Friday the 24th. Peace, Jimi From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 09:50:32 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA28219; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 09:50:32 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA28214; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 09:50:29 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0reSnz-0000KTC; Tue, 14 Feb 95 13:20 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: re: generating love To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 13:20:58 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 704 Forwarded message: ::From: "William K. Baran" :: ::And the sad thing is, that many of you are going to think I'm a bad ::person for doing drugs (as Tigger must think for making the ::appology), and you'll look down on me without knowing anything about ::me. No, this isn't the fact at all. You missed some hidden meanings to what Tigger posted. He was referring to a group of people who 'know what he is talking about.' There's a whole year of history going on here that you might not at all be familiar with. As far as you doing drugs, as long as you haven't gotten in the way of others having a good time then it's no problem, for me at least. - stevenJ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 10:22:22 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA00456; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:22:22 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA00449; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:22:18 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA27803; Tue, 14 Feb 95 12:22:41 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id MAA19106; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:14:53 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15728; Tue, 14 Feb 95 12:16:39 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04807; Tue, 14 Feb 95 12:16:38 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502141816.AA04807@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: Alcohol at HOUSE parties To: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 12:16:38 CST Cc: digiworx@m-net.arbornet.org, mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9502141621.AA27346@dlogics.com>; from "Nicolas Bamberski" at Feb 14, 95 10:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } >In my estimation, alcohol is the lamest source of stimulation and } intoxication, >besides gasoline, that I can think of. } } please, that's a really extreme sentence (and a cheap shot). We are not } talking about the 15 year old kid discovering the left overs from his big } bro's keg party, we are talking about mature people being able to enjoy } are we? With the current age mins of the raves scene i think the 15 year old kid is more appropriate - than the older more mature audiance that we fill ;-) - I'd rather go to a nice relaxing pub where every one is at least 21 or so than a rave where younger folks - most of them in the expirimental faze of their lives - have access to liqour - I think every fight I've ever seen has involved a younger hothead getting sloshed - alchol does not for one instigate or "cause" violonce - I tend to get more and more relaxed until well i feel relaxed enough and call it a night.. --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- -> have you ever been in intellectual combat with an unarmed person, and <- -> not given them a running head start? <- From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 10:48:15 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA02267; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:48:15 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA02259; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:48:09 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by AC.GRIN.EDU (PMDF V4.3-9 #4381) id <01HN1G31HUA88Y6DZM@AC.GRIN.EDU>; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:38:33 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:38:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) Subject: drugs and tigger and l;ove generator To: MW-RAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Message-id: <01HN1G31I3XU8Y6DZM@AC.GRIN.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk baran wrote: igger, I hope this isn't you looking down on those who enjoy doing some drugs? Are you letting the opinions of others bring you down? If you want to do something, it should be _your_ decision, and you shouldn't be ashamed of that. Defend your decisions, don't upset and I didn't hold up my end...I'm not apologizing, I'm just expressing the fct yourself because someone may not agree with you. all I was saying was that I made a commitment to MYSELF and to other people after teh Interstellar Outback experience (and my entire summer) to be a drug free raver. I didn't make a judgement call, I don't CARE if you are doing them...all I said was I apologize to those I let down....meaning the ones who saved my ass in the first place (Steven J and Ramylson). Baran also wrote: And the sad thing is, that many of you are going to think I'm a bad person for doing drugs (as Tigger must think for making the appology), and you'll look down on me without knowing anything about me. nobody thinks that you are a bad person, and you COULD be on the mw-raves drug free raver list if you wanted, but you CHOSE not to, just like I CHOSE to be on it for a while, and I CHOSE to do E at Love Generator...who is defending themeselves here? I felt like I let some people down, which I did (once again, do I have to be specific, or can I be general?)...but you think I hate you for using? no. wrong. just know your limits... tIgger (generating love) From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 10:48:47 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA02329; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:48:47 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA02323; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:48:44 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.9/2.2) id SAA19987; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 18:49:15 GMT Message-Id: <199502141849.SAA19987@mixcom.mixcom.com> Subject: Re: Logic Trance To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:49:15 -40975532 (CST) From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" In-Reply-To: from "stevenJ" at Feb 14, 95 11:56:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1755 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Does anyone know the 411 on this party? What are the expectations of > a bust? Who is throwing the thing? I just typed it in from the flyer. If anyone else has any info, please let us know. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 18 FEBRUARY Saturday CHICAGO TRANCE LOGIC 2 Core Innovations, Catalyst, Logic Records & URB Magazine present... Sensory Awakening: T R A N C E L O G I C I I Aural stimuli: FRANKIE BONES (ny) MICRO (ny) DERRICK CARTER (chi) NIGEL RICHARDS (philly) TERRY MULLAN (chi) EFEX (chi) Promotional giveaways all night courtesy of Logic Records and URB Magazine Event hosted by Wade E. of Core and Mr. Ephedrine Presale tickeets available at Untitled (2637 N. Clark) 2/1-1/17 For tickets day of event call: 312.509.6334 Core Innovations 312.509.2910 Catalyst Promoted and supported by: 312.509.6130 K-Bar, Chicago 312.604.6453 Vibe Alive, Chicago 312.509.6453 Ripe, Chicago 608.258.0003 Gravidy, Madison 312.918.9084 Sense, Chicago 708.581.3200xATP ATP, Chicago 615.780.3730 B.A.M., Nashville 502.569.1969 IMSMARTRU, Louisville 414.777.3998 Drop Bass, Milwaukee 608.283/3118 Flipside, Madison 513.496.1071 Illuminator, Dayton 612.946.5938 DFP, Minneapolis 314.994.1114 Superstars, St. Louis 708.581.3200x117 Chris26, Chicago 319.337.7712 Sonar, Waterloo 314.995.6284 Conspiracy, St. Louis 216.779.7188 Spontaneous, Cleveland 303.575.5637 FAB, Denver All night 'till the break of dawn *ALL AGES EVENT, LEGAL, SAFE, HEATED VENUE ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 10:50:32 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA02544; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:50:32 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA02529; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 10:50:27 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.9/2.2) id SAA20055; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 18:50:59 GMT Message-Id: <199502141850.SAA20055@mixcom.mixcom.com> Subject: Upcoming party info To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:50:57 -40975532 (CST) From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 204 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If anyone has something like an e-flyer for Imagine, Stellar, or any other parties coming up that aren't on the calendar... MAIL THEM TO ME! -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com, archon@hyperreal.com From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 11:04:45 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA03592; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:04:45 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA03578; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:04:42 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA28435 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:04:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:05:42 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950214140542.20a0666c@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: Drugs vs. Reality Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk As with any other debateable issues those on one side will express their views sometimes based on fear of what they do not understand or fear of loosing control of their surroundings. On the other side there are those who will deabte depending on what they want to have available to them. For all issues there are positive and negative effects of the proposal or issue in question. To be specific, the use and or legality of illicit drugs is just such an issue. There are those who wish for the eradication of drugs entirely. There or those, users or not, who feel that we should be free to do whatever we wish so long as it does not effect others. Therein, at least how I see it, lies the heart of the conflict. As a casual user myself, I personally do agree with the notion that someone who doe drugs can have a negative affect on the entire populus either directly or indirectly. It's a fact - drug users are more prone to behavioural problems (of course, the behaviour may come first in some cases) that can have negative long term effects, emotionally or physically. It can tear apart families, lead to mental disorder etc. Extasy specifically tend to drain spinal fluid which had very, very bad long term effects (read up on it). More directly, someone on drugs might make a bad decision and decide to take chances he/she may otherwise not thus causing accidents or injuring others. Of course this will not always happen, but with drugs, the likeliness does increase. Whichever type of negative effect that drugs can impose, I do not believe that it is realistic to say that any one can do drugs so long as it does not effect others. Not everyone has the mental capacity as some of you all to make an objective decision as to whether or not to partake. Some of you and our friends must deal with other pressures i.e. problem at home or peer pressure. Look at the kid in Chicago who dosed ans went into seisure. Let's suppose he got terminally sick and had to undergo long term care. Suppose his parents had no insurance. Do you know who would have to pay for his care? Me, a taxpayer, that's who. Are you aware of how much of your tax dollars goes to help people addicted to drugs. Point is, that there are those who can handle drugs. However ther are those who cannot. Is it fair to attempt to eradicate drugs at the expense of those who handle them with caution. I myslef am not sure. Maybe I'm motivated as a casual drug user myself, but at least I realize is not as simple as those of you try to make it. So think about it...REALISTICLY Just be glad I didn't get into the socioeconomic realities of drugs. Thanks for your Attention Miles From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 11:07:58 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA03767; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:07:58 -0800 Received: from lulu.acns.nwu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA03761; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:07:55 -0800 From: yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu Received: by lulu.acns.nwu.edu (1.37.109.11/20.3) id AA144758878; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 13:07:58 -0600 Message-Id: <199502141907.AA144758878@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Subject: Lagic Trance To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 13:07:58 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 86 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Is there going to be a net meeting at trance logic? Where and when? peace fantasia From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 11:10:14 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA03892; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:10:14 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA03887; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:10:11 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA28638 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:10:16 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:11:13 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950214141113.20a0666c@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: Alcohol doesn't cause violence... Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) WROTE THIS >alchol does not for one instigate or "cause" violonce - I tend to get >more and more relaxed until well i feel relaxed enough and call it a night.. He is obviously looking for a debate on this one. That is the dubment thing I've heard so far. Alcohol doesn't cause violence. Where have you been man? Are you drunk now? I think you need to revise that on dude. Like cut and paste or edit and delete. We have all seen too many violent situations resulting directly from alcohol consumption. If it doesn't happen to you, then atleast realize that it happens a lot. Miles From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 11:46:20 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA05768; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:46:20 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA05755; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:46:09 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA02049; Tue, 14 Feb 95 13:47:46 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id NAA22636; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 13:43:37 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18574; Tue, 14 Feb 95 13:45:23 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04980; Tue, 14 Feb 95 13:45:23 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502141945.AA04980@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: Alcohol doesn't cause violence... To: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 13:45:23 CST Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <950214141113.20a0666c@etcv01.eld.ford.com>; from "MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com" at Feb 14, 95 2:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } } kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) WROTE THIS } } >alchol does not for one instigate or "cause" violonce - I tend to get } >more and more relaxed until well i feel relaxed enough and call it a night.. } } He is obviously looking for a debate on this one. That is the dubment thing nope just stating my opionion... } I've heard so far. Alcohol doesn't cause violence. Where have you been man? Are chicago illinois.. } you drunk now? I think you need to revise that on dude. Like cut and paste or edit } and delete. We have all seen too many violent situations resulting directly from nope I'm sober as a earn of corn in an iowa corn field - if i need to cut paste edit or delete - you should learn to limit your colums to 80 characters or less - } alcohol consumption. If it doesn't happen to you, then atleast realize that it } happens a lot. it all depends on the persons ability to handle themselves, their maturity level and their ability to know their limits - abuse of alchol may contribute to violent behavior - but responsible use does not - in the places I go to drink and to relax and to enjoy some good conversation (very tough at a rave to have a philosophical debate) I have *never* seen a fight - nor even pushing and shoving nor anything - its all in how you handle yourself - don't let a few unmature and unresponsible folk dictate your view of an entire entity - because what your saying is just not true. its the same with lsd (a raver acceptable thing) people getting violent people getting in fights on it (how I don't know - why I don't know so don't ask or say its bullshit cause its not) becoming suicidaly depressed on it - people being unable to cope with their environment on it - all sorts of negative things *all* sorts - but because of those few things i've seen doesn't make me think that its a violent drug - have you ever tried going to a small pub, with some friends - sitting down enjoying a nice conversation and a nice drink and just relaxing? try it you might find you enjoy it - and you might find yourself learning something and not having a violent thought in your head at all.... --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- -> have you ever been in intellectual combat with an unarmed person, and <- -> not given them a running head start? (case in point?) <- From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 11:52:57 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA06120; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:52:57 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA06114; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:52:54 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.9/2.2) id TAA22978; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 19:53:20 GMT Message-Id: <199502141953.TAA22978@mixcom.mixcom.com> Subject: Re: Alcohol doesn't cause violence... To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 13:53:20 -40975532 (CST) From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" In-Reply-To: <950214141113.20a0666c@etcv01.eld.ford.com> from "MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com" at Feb 14, 95 02:11:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1069 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >alchol does not for one instigate or "cause" violonce - I tend to get > >more and more relaxed until well i feel relaxed enough and call it a night.. > > He is obviously looking for a debate on this one. That is the dubment thing > I've heard so far. Alcohol doesn't cause violence. Where have you been man? Are > you drunk now? I think you need to revise that on dude. Like cut and paste or edit > and delete. We have all seen too many violent situations resulting directly from > alcohol consumption. If it doesn't happen to you, then atleast realize that it > happens a lot. Alcohol is a depressant and serves to remove inhibitions. It doesn't directly _cause_ you to become violent. If you have any violent tendencies already, you'd certainly feel more free to act upon them. Also there was a previous post that mentioned MDMA "draining your spinal fluid". This is absolutely wrong. Lowered 5HT levels in CSF, yes, but this is transitory and certainly not any "draining" of fluid. Ugh. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com, archon@hyperreal.com From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 11:53:57 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA06217; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:53:57 -0800 Received: from infochi.infochi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA06202; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:53:51 -0800 Received: by infochi.infochi.com id AA18141 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 13:54:54 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:53:45 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Shea Subject: Re: Alcohol at raves To: alvarez bob Cc: Stu Shea , Andrew Bennett , mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Feb 1995, alvarez bob wrote: > > > On Tue, 14 Feb 1995, Stu Shea wrote: > > > > > so we can't discuss it? We can't say, "Fuk Dat" to drunken assholes > > knocking people over? Just because it's part of the history of (some) of > > the "house culture", that doesn't make it alright. > > > > Stu > > Well, Stu, I just want to know what you meant by that "(some)" part > of this response. What I meant was that to assume everyone connected with the "house culture" drinks alcohol at parties seemed a bit weird to me. I've been to plenty of house parties, and don't drink at them, and neither do many of the other folks I see there. Stu From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 11:56:08 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA06444; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:56:08 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA06439; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 11:56:05 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.200.80]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01694; Tue, 14 Feb 95 11:57:54 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04102; Tue, 14 Feb 95 11:57:53 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13639; Tue, 14 Feb 95 13:57:28 CST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 13:57:28 CST Message-Id: <9502141957.AA13639@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: Re: Alcohol doesn't cause violence... Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > He is obviously looking for a debate on this one. That is the dubment thing >I've heard so far. Alcohol doesn't cause violence. Where have you been man? Are >you drunk now? I think you need to revise that on dude. Like cut and paste or edit >and delete. We have all seen too many violent situations resulting directly from >alcohol consumption. If it doesn't happen to you, then atleast realize that it >happens a lot. >Miles huh hoh. where have YOU been? Violent people cauz violence. How they reach their violent state can be because of alcohol as well as because of too much sugar or too much jungle music (no, just kidding, no! no! argghhhh!) :P Frankly it amazes me that in Milwaukee they won't sell any liquor to go after 9pm to reduce domestic violence. Is that a way to handle a problem? you handle a problem at its source usually, and here alcohol is NOT the source. Besides, statistically the domestic violence increased there since that law passed, hey maybe thirsty stupid fucks beat their wives/husbands more than drunk ones? Anyway, WHY should I be deprived of my favorite beverage because some people cannot handle it? I never get violent on alcohol, I just fuck up my mixes, that's the only bad thing I can do to a crowd. But people like you pass the kind of anti-constitutional laws I cite above, because they are convinced that "We have all seen too many violent situations resulting directly from alcohol consumption" and won't look deeper for the REAL source. Anyway, my parties usually are BYOB parties, and I always have a few spare beers I'll be glad to share. So far, it went good. The only problem was at New Years Eve, when a couple of to-young-anyway gangsters started getting stoopid and falling in the stairs, etc... what did I do? did I scream "ok, everybody stop drinking alcohol!" ? NOT! I just threw them out, and everything went on perfectly... bambi nib@dlogics.com "Jan, I need another one of those Zubrowska!" From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 12:08:52 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA07414; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:08:52 -0800 Received: from ux5.cso.uiuc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA07407; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:08:48 -0800 Received: by ux5.cso.uiuc.edu id AA08799 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:08:28 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:08:27 -0600 (CST) From: alvarez bob To: Stu Shea Cc: Stu Shea , Andrew Bennett , mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Alcohol at raves In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Feb 1995, Stu Shea wrote: > > > so we can't discuss it? We can't say, "Fuk Dat" to drunken assholes > > > knocking people over? Just because it's part of the history of (some) of > > > the "house culture", that doesn't make it alright. > > > > > > Stu > > > > Well, Stu, I just want to know what you meant by that "(some)" part > > of this response. > > What I meant was that to assume everyone connected with the "house culture" > drinks alcohol at parties seemed a bit weird to me. I've been to plenty of > house parties, and don't drink at them, and neither do many of the other > folks I see there. > > Stu o, if I read correctly, you tried to imply that house music has "different" roots, as if there was more than one House culture to begin with. Well, stu, in House culture, alcohol is a fact. In rave culture, drugs are a fact. Just imagine all the shit they talk about your habitswhile you are over here complaining about theirs. Just because they enjoy a good drink and get shit faced doesn't mean that they're not smart, because that's THEIR outlet of pleasure, just like Raver's choice include meth and E.Clubbers and Housers get shit faceed, while Ravers have bad trips and swear they have come in contact with aliens. No difference. Stop downing them so much. easy, robert From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 12:11:15 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA07607; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:11:15 -0800 Received: from tigerden.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA07595; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:11:09 -0800 Received: by tigerden.com id AA12103 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:11:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:11:20 -0500 (EST) From: "D.A.C. Crowell" To: Ed Luna Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: "music chat up" In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Feb 1995, Ed Luna wrote: > 4) is ambient DEAD?!?!?!! i am struggling to find ANY good ambient even > tho i have been in the mood to waste the cash. last good thing i herd > was something called "deep blue bass" (i think) on blue vinyl...has a > nice rendered silver planet on the cover. nice ambient with one track > goin out sooper slow hip hop styley. Oh, so you noticed this too, hm? I've been having the same trouble myself. I think a bunch of labels rushed in and snatched up a bunch of punters, to tell the truth...the "Seattle Sound" feeding frenzy sort of phenomenon...with the unfortunatel consequence that a lot of ambient that's come out over the past 6-8 months or so has been pretty lame and noodly. Another problem has been some people putting out essentially the same sort of noodling under several different names...as if there was any internal differences caused by the label on the package. As you and I both know, Ed, there _are_ those of us out here doing decent ambience...but until the ones w/ the checkbooks perk up and realize that some dorf with the capacity to hold down the same two notes over and over slowly does _not_ constitute ambient music, we're just gonna keep having this problem. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\ "We have come to the edge of a world which D.A.C. Crowell |offers us the limits of the accessible, of the Audio Design and Programming |unpredictable; it must be possible for some- The Aerodyne Works |thing not of this world to find a way through, Champaign, IL, USA. |something that hitherto could not be found by dacc@tigerden.com |any radio station on this earth. Let us set <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>/ out to look for it!" --Karlheinz Stockhausen From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 12:17:11 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA07960; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:17:11 -0800 Received: from ux5.cso.uiuc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA07954; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:17:08 -0800 Received: by ux5.cso.uiuc.edu id AA12204 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:17:05 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:17:03 -0600 (CST) From: alvarez bob To: "Craig L. Stodolenak" Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Spinal Fluid Loss Lies In-Reply-To: <199502141953.TAA22978@mixcom.mixcom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Feb 1995, Craig L. Stodolenak wrote: > > Also there was a previous post that mentioned MDMA "draining your spinal > fluid". This is absolutely wrong. Lowered 5HT levels in CSF, yes, but > this is transitory and certainly not any "draining" of fluid. Ugh. > VERY good point there, Craig. The reports that were out about fluid loss in the spine came from News agencies that incorrectly (intentionally?) stated that phenomeneon. apparently, researchers tapped the spines of certain subjects in the 1980's who were subjects in an MDMA experiment before its de-legalization. It turned out that the only fluid lost was the fluid that the experimenters themselves had taken out to examine! easy, robert From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 12:17:57 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA08022; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:17:57 -0800 Received: from UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA08010; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:17:52 -0800 Message-Id: <199502142017.MAA08010@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from UMSLVMA by UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6750; Tue, 14 Feb 95 14:18:15 CST Received: from UMSLVMA (FLEMING) by UMSLVMA (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 3979; Tue, 14 Feb 95 14:18:14 CST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 14:17:19 CST From: Tim Fleming Subject: LoveGen To: MW-RAVES@TAZ.HYPERREAL.COM X-Acknowledge-To: Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just jumped on the list and was wondering what all the noise about Love Generator in St.Louis last weekend was all about. Please mail me directly if you wish. ************************************************************************ Tim Fleming Fleming@umslvma.umsl.edu Site Supervisor 314.516.6508 Office Instructional Computing 314.836.8449 Pager UM-St. Louis ************************************************************************ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 12:22:55 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA08461; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:22:55 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA08445; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:22:52 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.200.80]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02080; Tue, 14 Feb 95 12:24:28 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04877; Tue, 14 Feb 95 12:24:26 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14461; Tue, 14 Feb 95 14:24:01 CST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 14:24:01 CST Message-Id: <9502142024.AA14461@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: alvarez bob From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: Re: Alcohol at raves Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >because that's THEIR outlet of pleasure, just like Raver's choice include >meth and E.Clubbers and Housers get shit faceed, while Ravers have bad >trips and swear they have come in contact with aliens. No difference. >robert :) :) :) I swear I laughed so hard there's saliva all over my screen :) this is so true. thanks for the good humour though. bambi nib@dlogics.com - Chicago Houser/Raver/Clubber (in that order) --------------------> From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 12:24:12 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA08650; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:24:12 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA08641; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:24:09 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA01630 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:24:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:25:10 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950214152510.20a0666c@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: More Alcohol Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > He is obviously looking for a debate on this one. That is the dubment thing >I've heard so far. Alcohol doesn't cause violence. Where have you been man? Are >you drunk now? I think you need to revise that on dude. Like cut and paste or edit >and delete. We have all seen too many violent situations resulting directly from >alcohol consumption. If it doesn't happen to you, then atleast realize that it >happens a lot. >Miles >huh hoh. where have YOU been? Violent people cauz violence. How they reach >their violent state can be because of alcohol as well as because of too much >sugar or too much jungle music (no, just kidding, no! no! argghhhh!) :P >Frankly it amazes me that in Milwaukee they won't sell any liquor to go after >9pm to reduce domestic violence. Is that a way to handle a problem? you handle >a problem at its source usually, and here alcohol is NOT the source. Besides Tell it to an abused family. Suppose your eight or nine years old and your dad beats you when you get drunk. With me so far? Or for you ladies, suppose your husband smacks you around when he's had a few. Now you have either two options. 1) You significantly reduce the amount of abuse you must endure by asking those who sell alcohol to refrain after a certain hour. This is fair. Those who wish to have a drink at a later time can simply buy it sooner. I suppose for some idiots this is too much to ask. (The above is a simplification of a more complicated governmental action to help quell domestic violence. Duh. If needed a similar case can be made for drunk driving fatalities). or 2) You can quickly become a professor of physchology (Hey at eight years of age kids are really smart these days) and solve all of his problems that lead him into such a state of abusing his familiy members. I suppose you'd obviously just prefer to turn your head when it comes to aknowledging the fact that there ARE immediate dangers to many as a direct result of alcohol just so that you can have it when you want it. I ask you all, Please be a bit more sensitive to this issue. The world is bigger than than your own drinking circles. I repeat. Alcohol can cause violence. Hey. I know and so do many other people who have experience with alcohol abuse. And don't forget. There's a certain amount of violence in everyone - we're born with it. Some are lucky enough to have had the type of life experiences that have given us the tools to learn to control it. >REAL source. Of course there are other sources of violence. Duhh! I agree we should make this a word where no one has to go through hard times. A world where no one feels the need to abuse family members. A world full of people who can control there own drinking habits. ARE YOU BLIND MAN? THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE. Next time you reach for a beer, Just think about how many people will die this week because of it. Don't even get preachy 'cause I drink plenty. I'm just a bit more realistic about it. Miles From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 12:29:50 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA09255; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:29:50 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA09236; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:29:46 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id PAA01888 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:29:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:30:45 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950214153045.20a0666c@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: ORB Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just so I have a reference point when you all talk about Trance and Ambient music, what do you consider ORB or even Tangerine Dream? Thanks, Miles From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 12:45:09 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA10411; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:45:09 -0800 Received: from tigerden.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA10402; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:45:03 -0800 Received: by tigerden.com id AA12332 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:45:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:45:26 -0500 (EST) From: "D.A.C. Crowell" To: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: ORB In-Reply-To: <950214153045.20a0666c@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Feb 1995 MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com wrote: > Just so I have a reference point when you all talk about Trance and Ambient > music, what do you consider ORB or even Tangerine Dream? The Orb can straddle the line a bit. _Most_ Orb stuff fits the ambient bill, except for harder-edged things like "Assassin", which lean more toward trance. Tangerine Dream is a bit more complex. Vide: "Electronic Meditiation" = Psychedelia "Atem" - "Zeit" = spacey protoambient stuff "Phaedra" - somewhere around either "Exit" or "White Eagle" = Berlin School spacemusic/Euro e-rock stuff "Underwater Sunlight - about 1990 when Chris Franke split = unfocussed Cubase-driven noodling and soundtrack-like stuff "Lily on the Beach" - present = stuff Edgar Froese should be taken out and horsewhipped for releasing. Things that sound like the end result of listening to one too many "Miami Vice" soundtrack. Best advice if you want the ambient TDream stuff: go with what you can find from about 1971 thru 1976. 1976 - 1982 is more trancy, sequencer-driven. The first album is like early Pink Floyd on a bender, and the stuff beyond 1982/83 really begins to beg a certain level of tolerance on the part of the listener after a while. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\ "We have come to the edge of a world which D.A.C. Crowell |offers us the limits of the accessible, of the Audio Design and Programming |unpredictable; it must be possible for some- The Aerodyne Works |thing not of this world to find a way through, Champaign, IL, USA. |something that hitherto could not be found by dacc@tigerden.com |any radio station on this earth. Let us set <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>/ out to look for it!" --Karlheinz Stockhausen From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 12:54:14 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA11284; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:54:14 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA11277; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:54:09 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA05686; Tue, 14 Feb 95 14:55:51 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id OAA25517; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:51:46 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21018; Tue, 14 Feb 95 14:53:33 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05137; Tue, 14 Feb 95 14:53:33 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502142053.AA05137@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: More Alcohol To: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 14:53:32 CST Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <950214152510.20a0666c@etcv01.eld.ford.com>; from "MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com" at Feb 14, 95 3:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } I repeat. Alcohol can cause violence. Hey. I know and so do many other people } who have experience with alcohol abuse. And don't forget. There's a certain } amount of violence in everyone - we're born with it. Some are lucky enough to } have had the type of life experiences that have given us the tools to learn to } control it. } this is not a logical argument - think about it for a moment, you'll see what i mean (the reaction isn't nessecarily due to the action) I think saying alchol causes violence is an excuse - if a person is naturally violent then using alchol as an excuse to partake in violent behavior is wrong. Like i said eariler it is unfair to judge many based on the the min - i'm sorry that you've had some unfortunate experiences with alcohol but, your allowing it to colour your arguments and thoughts which ain't good. --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- -> have you ever been in intellectual combat with an unarmed person, and <- -> not given them a running head start? <- From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 12:55:13 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA11411; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:55:13 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA11397; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:55:10 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.200.80]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02550; Tue, 14 Feb 95 12:56:59 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05945; Tue, 14 Feb 95 12:56:57 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17410; Tue, 14 Feb 95 14:56:31 CST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 14:56:31 CST Message-Id: <9502142056.AA17410@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: Re: More Alcohol Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Or for you ladies, suppose your husband smacks you >around when he's had a few. Now you have either two options. > > 1) You significantly reduce the amount of abuse you must endure by asking > those who sell alcohol to refrain after a certain hour. This is fair. > Those who wish to have a drink at a later time can simply buy it sooner. but of course your husband is too stupid to do so right? > I suppose for some idiots this is too much to ask. and the weak, in lack of good arguments, started the name-calling... > (The above is a simplification of a more complicated governmental action > to help quell domestic violence. Duh. If needed a similar case can be made > for drunk driving fatalities). >or > 2) You can quickly become a professor of physchology (Hey at eight years of > age kids are really smart these days) and solve all of his problems > that lead him into such a state of abusing his familiy members. what about 3) Realize that maybe you are with the wrong person and do something about it instead of accepting a physical abuser as your soulmate for life. Pick up the phone, dial 911. Hang up the phone. Pick up the phone, call an Association for the Help of Abused Wives. Hang up the phone. Pack and leave. It will be several very hard months for you before you can get back to a normal life, but it will eventually happen. Would you rather live with a monster for the rest of your life? I mean shit, the only solution you gave (1, since 2 was I believe sarcastic) doesn't do it. I would like to have some women's opinion here! speak up! >Next time you reach for a beer, Just think about how many people will die this >week because of it. NO. A definite NO here. When I reach for a beer, it's because I want to relax or have a good time in a slightly altered mind state. If I want to think about such serious issues, I'll stay sober thanks. >Miles bambi nib@dlogics.com From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 13:00:03 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA11911; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 13:00:03 -0800 Received: from ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA11902; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 12:59:53 -0800 Received: by ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu id AA01081 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:59:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:59:09 -0400 (EST) From: simon dixon wu Reply-To: simon dixon wu Subject: help! To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Everybody... Does anyone know of anyone who I can talk to or anywhere I can go to possibly rent or better yet, borrow a decent lighting system around the Indianapolis area or Bloomington (IN) area? I would be most appreciative of your help! Thanks a million... swoosh :) --------------- swu@indiana.edu From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 13:05:10 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA12328; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 13:05:10 -0800 Received: from home.interaccess.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA12322; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 13:05:07 -0800 Received: from [198.80.1.202] (nb-dyna102.interaccess.com [198.80.1.202]) by home.interaccess.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA24881 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:05:22 -0600 Message-Id: <199502142105.PAA24881@home.interaccess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:07:54 +0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: adamgold@interaccess.com (Adam Goldstein) Subject: Re: g e n e r a t i n g l o v e Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >And the sad thing is, that many of you are going to think I'm a bad >person for doing drugs (as Tigger must think for making the >appology), and you'll look down on me without knowing anything about >me. > >Sirkut Look... Tigger is not talking about anyone but himself here. I know tigger, and I know that his decision to go drug-free was based on HIS experience...it had NOTHING to do with you or anyone else. Just like you are offended by the thought that someone else would get on your case for choosing to drugs, I am equally offended by the thought that someone would get on MY case for choosing to NOT do drugs. Your claim that many of us will think you are a bad person, including Tigger, is wrong. Adam "A mind unfed eats itself" Truman Capote From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 13:32:39 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA14684; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 13:32:39 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA14672; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 13:32:35 -0800 Received: from [140.174.95.21] (smellen.cyborganic.com [140.174.95.21]) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA13550; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 13:31:04 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:39:18 -0800 To: yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu, mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: Ellen Steuer Subject: Re: Logic Trance Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Is there going to be a net meeting at logic trance? Where and when? > >peace > >fantasia 1am... delirium booth:) see you there! l8r ellen `/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/* Ellen Steuer ellen@cyborganic.com G L EEE *** *** MM MM SSS W W I G GGGG L E E SSS * * * * M M M M S S W W GGGG G G L EEEEE S S * * * * M M M S W W W I G G GGGG L E S * * * M M S W W W I GGGG G L E E S * * M M S S W W I G G G LLLLL EEE S S * * _______ SSS * __________ G G GG ______________ SSS * * / ***** \______/**********\ GG ____/**************\_____ zine,* * *_______ *******__________ \_____/******_____________******* cute * /_______\______/__________\*******_____/_____________\_______ girls, / \______/Anonymous \\_____/____/ 414.228.0669 \______ good \____/ conversation From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 13:37:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA15090; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 13:37:19 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA15077; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 13:37:13 -0800 Received: from [140.174.95.21] (smellen.cyborganic.com [140.174.95.21]) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA13538; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 13:30:46 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:39:01 -0800 To: alvarez bob , mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: Ellen Steuer Subject: Re: love generator Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >What's the moral of the story with all the whining about L.G.'s bust?? >You should have went to brockout!! > > but then i would have never gotten to see jj or malcolm or so many other people and spend such quality time with matt and john massive in the car ride down. and i wouldn't have met tommie sunshine! wheee! its not just the party...its everything and everyone involved. i hAve heard so much jungle in the past few months that i still would have chosen driving around st. louis over a chicago ting party. i like variety in people and music. besides, i don't really see anyone whining. l8r ellen `/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/* Ellen Steuer ellen@cyborganic.com G L EEE *** *** MM MM SSS W W I G GGGG L E E SSS * * * * M M M M S S W W GGGG G G L EEEEE S S * * * * M M M S W W W I G G GGGG L E S * * * M M S W W W I GGGG G L E E S * * M M S S W W I G G G LLLLL EEE S S * * _______ SSS * __________ G G GG ______________ SSS * * / ***** \______/**********\ GG ____/**************\_____ zine,* * *_______ *******__________ \_____/******_____________******* cute * /_______\______/__________\*******_____/_____________\_______ girls, / \______/Anonymous \\_____/____/ 414.228.0669 \______ good \____/ conversation From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 13:47:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA15789; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 13:47:19 -0800 Received: from tyrell.net by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA15769; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 13:47:16 -0800 Received: from ttyr0.tyrell.net by tyrell.net with SMTP id AA25262 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:44:38 -0600 Message-Id: <199502142144.AA25262@tyrell.net> X-Sender: telem@tyrell.net (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:39:32 -0600 To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: telem@tyrell.net (Knowing only that it needs, but like so many of us, not what.) Subject: CnH2n+1OH at raves X-Mailer: Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Ok, here it is. > >just annoying as hell. I'm just curious if anyone else is on my side about >this. Thanks > If i had my perfect world, i would be with you all the way on this one. Personally, i find the alcohol aesthetic to be at odds with the rave culture. (not to mention, when i'm drunk enough to consider my consumption worth it, i certainly don't have the energy to dance...) As fortune would have it, though, i am a stronger believer in to each her own thang. If they want stupor, let them drink. All i'm going to tell them is "You could be having alot more fun..." Gcs/mu/s/ss/-d+/-p+/c+++@/l/u+/e+(*)/m+++(*)/s-/-/n++/h+/f++@/g+/w++/t(-) /r(++)/y(+) <*Poof!*> .mat From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 14:15:40 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA17627; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:15:40 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA17620; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:15:37 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA05918 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:15:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:16:39 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950214171639.20a046e7@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: Self determination Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > 3) Realize that maybe you are with the wrong person and do something about it >instead of accepting a physical abuser as your soulmate for life. Pick up the >phone, dial 911. Hang up the phone. Pick up the phone, call an Association for >the Help of Abused Wives. Hang up the phone. Pack and leave. It will be several >very hard months for you before you can get back to a normal life, but it will >eventually happen. Would you rather live with a monster for the rest of your >life? I mean shit, the only solution you gave (1, since 2 was I believe >sarcastic) doesn't do it. I would like to have some women's opinion here! >speak up! If I am to understand you correctly, what you are saying is that if a victim of violence does not have the sense to just pick up and leave, then that's their problem. This has been an issue for a long time. Do we try to help those too week to help themselves or not. When it comes to spending taxpayers money on some of these services to help the helpless, those like yourselves, or usually republicans speak out against these measure, whether they are in the form of laws to make a dent in the result of the problem or in the form of social services. I am of the belief that people come from all shapes and sizes, many different cultures and religions. I myself have the strength to endure and the wisdom to know that there may exist people who do not have the same and I will try to protect those weaker than myself. One day, I may need them. So think of laws limiting accesibilty to alcohol as one way in which death and violence can be CURBED. No one, I hope, is stupid enough to believe that this is a panacea ( a cure-all) for much deeper problems. In addition, for those of you who have bothered to read this far, once you start claiming that you have all of the answers to societies ill is when you stop growing and learning. In 20 years when you are much more wise, you opinions and perspectives WILL change. Ask a parent on their views on alcohol. Miles >Next time you reach for a beer, Just think about how many people will die this >week because of it. NO. A definite NO here. When I reach for a beer, it's because I want to relax or have a good time in a slightly altered mind state. If I want to think about such serious issues, I'll stay sober thanks. >Miles bambi nib@dlogics.com From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 14:18:40 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA17836; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:18:40 -0800 Received: from bronze.coil.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA17831; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:18:37 -0800 Received: from localhost (eluna@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) id RAA27996; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:19:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:19:48 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Luna To: mwraves Subject: i axed fo musik, alk's what i got Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk SHADDUP ALREADY it aint worth the bandwidth some will drink, some wont (jus like drugs) so chillllll ps-wheres da musik, y'all? ++ e d e l e m e n t a l red nose From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 14:28:29 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA18314; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:28:29 -0800 Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA18296; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:28:21 -0800 From: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Message-Id: <199502142228.OAA18296@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8874; Tue, 14 Feb 95 16:26:38 CST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 15:56:07 CST To: 313@lazarus.uta.edu, PB-CLE-RAVES@Telerama.lm.com, uk-dance@tqmcomms.co.uk, idm@hyperreal.com, nw-raves@wimsey.bc.ca, breaks@xmission.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.com, dc-raves@listserv.american.edu, ne-raves@umdd.umd.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com, lowlands@xs4all.nl, socal-raves@UCSD.edu Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Subject:The Premierian Estates Howdy People, For those that couldn't get through the other day to order "The Premierian Estates," the Funk Junkies informed me that you can now order 24 hours at 1-800-291-3014 Visa/Master. This tape will still be offered for $9 including shipping. For those who don't know, "The Premierian Estates" is an album collection of 11 rave/house/disco/funk groove released in Illinois by my newly formed label, Black Raven. This album recieved good PR and sales and I'm offering the remaining copies to anyone whose interested in hearing some good Chicago dance music.It is availiable on Digalog-cassettes only... About me, I was raised in the Chicago house and new wave scene and specializes in creating funky groove tracks that utilizes secret experimental techniques passed on to me by many of the legendary Trackmasterz in the Windy City. My style of music can be best describe as Lil Louis type tracks with a New Order atmosphere.... If you like, I'm still willing to FTP some .au samples of this album to your site and hopefully, I can get them archived at hyperreal.com soon.... Please e-mail me if you wish to mail-order or have any questions.... Peace, Zheam From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 14:57:23 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA20309; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:57:23 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA20296; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 14:57:20 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.200.80]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04804; Tue, 14 Feb 95 14:59:09 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10108; Tue, 14 Feb 95 14:58:57 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25388; Tue, 14 Feb 95 16:58:28 CST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 16:58:28 CST Message-Id: <9502142258.AA25388@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: Re: Self determination Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> 3) Realize that maybe you are with the wrong person and do something about it >>instead of accepting a physical abuser as your soulmate for life. Pick up the >>phone, dial 911. Hang up the phone. Pick up the phone, call an Association for >>the Help of Abused Wives. Hang up the phone. Pack and leave. It will be several >>very hard months for you before you can get back to a normal life, but it will >>eventually happen. Would you rather live with a monster for the rest of your >>life? I mean shit, the only solution you gave (1, since 2 was I believe >>sarcastic) doesn't do it. I would like to have some women's opinion here! >>speak up! > If I am to understand you correctly, what you are saying is that if a victim >of violence does not have the sense to just pick up and leave, then that's >their problem. > This has been an issue for a long time. Do we try to help those too week >to help themselves or not. When it comes to spending taxpayers money on some >of these services to help the helpless, those like yourselves, or usually >republicans speak out against these measure, whether they are in the form of >laws to make a dent in the result of the problem or in the form of social >services. YOU HAVE SHIT IN YOUR EYES OR WHAT? You quote my text, that clearly shows that I support public services such as Help for Abused Wives, and then you tell me that I would speak against such services when it comes to spending taxpayers money? And on top of that you call me a republican! You are the best, really! Well I answered to you when you posted that privately, but since you had to post it to the list, I'll reply there too. I don't think anything I said suggested that I was a republican, ANYTHING. Nothing suggested where I would like the 30% I pay in taxes to go, NOTHING. In your previous message, you call me an idiot. Now you call me a republican, and in my opinion it's much worse because all I said (or intended to say) followed my very liberal views. I wish all the money I give to this government was used in resources to effect social progress, I encourage the use of public services, as I just did before, and such services DO effect social progress. Dunno, sounds pretty liberal to me. Maybe you should go check your definitions. bambi nib@dlogics.com please follow up via private e-mail. From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 15:49:22 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA23302; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:49:22 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA23297; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 15:49:18 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.9/2.2) id XAA04076; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 23:49:53 GMT Message-Id: <199502142349.XAA04076@mixcom.mixcom.com> Subject: Re: i axed fo musik, alk's what i got To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:49:53 -40975532 (CST) From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" In-Reply-To: from "Ed Luna" at Feb 14, 95 05:19:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1860 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > SHADDUP ALREADY > it aint worth the bandwidth > some will drink, some wont (jus like drugs) > so chillllll I believe it _is_ worth the bandwith. I believe Jong kinda' touched upon it when he was commenting on how he felt the scene in Minneapolis was getting worse. Why? Drugs (among other things). More kids taking more, and what they're taking is worse. And it's not just happening there. This whole topic is VERY important and what really drives me up the wall is how so many people refuse to talk about it. The last time we had any type of big drug discussion, we also had tons of flames from people who didn't want to talk about it. LOOK AROUND YOU. People are getting fucked up. Seriously. Drugs are a major factor in our scene, whether you'd like to admit it or not. And if the use (or abuse) of them is allowed to run unchecked, they'll fucking kill it. I mean, if we can't even talk about something, how are we ever going to deal with it? We have something very unique here in the scene. We have an electronic network that allows us to _communicate_. To get together in a virtual forum and try to get a grip on just what the hell this all is supposed to mean, where it's headed, and if those of us who give a damn can do anything about either. If I didn't think we could, I wouldn't be writing this now. Yes, some will take drugs, some won't. But I feel it's vital that we investigate who they are, what they are or aren't taking, and how that affects the rest of us. Yes yes, "know your limits", yet there isn't a single party I've ever been to where that's been the case with everyone. It's very easy to say, "hey, it's not my problem, as long as it doesn't affect me". But it does. The longer it takes you to realize that, the bigger the problem will become. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com, archon@hyperreal.com From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 16:53:52 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA26554; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 16:53:52 -0800 Received: from MIT.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA26546; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 16:53:49 -0800 Received: from AL-FORNO.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA20483; Tue, 14 Feb 95 19:53:46 EST Received: by al-forno.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA25583; Tue, 14 Feb 95 19:53:47 -0500 Message-Id: <9502150053.AA25583@al-forno.MIT.EDU> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: brockout Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 19:53:45 EST From: Casper Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk yeah i have to agree with robert.. brockout was one of the two best events i have ever been to dextrous and keith tore down the place...in addition to wikked sets from ruffneck, phil of free art, and snuggles & jj jellybean.. the vibe was just amazing. ps. to the person who said there were a lot of gangbangers at brockout...whatever...sorry if chicago is more diverse than most everywhere else cause i didn't see that many gangbangers...i don't know what makes someone a gangbanger in your book...hmmmm? i feel sorry for those who drove all the way down to pizza generator. remember jungle events do NOT get busted...5-O is scared of us ruffneck roodbwoynroodgrrl junglists ;) big up to everyone at brockout.. rhiannon, ian who came in from boston, mike, gretchen, aaron, paul, chris and melanie up from houston, the mc blackeye, robert a to da k..and of course scott & kay for making it happen..respect peace, julian From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 17:11:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id RAA27593; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:11:33 -0800 Received: from corn.cso.niu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA27587; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:11:30 -0800 Received: by corn.cso.niu.edu id AA08168 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves ); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 19:11:39 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 19:11:38 -0600 (CST) From: dearborn michael jam Subject: Re: Logic Trance To: stevenJ Cc: mw-raves In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Trance logic two in chi-town WILL NOT BE BUSTED!!!!!!! It is being put on by core innovations. On Tue, 14 Feb 1995, stevenJ wrote: > And while we're on the subject... > > Does anyone know the 411 on this party? What are the expectations of > a bust? Who is throwing the thing? > > > - stevenJ > > From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 17:14:43 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id RAA27836; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:14:43 -0800 Received: from corn.cso.niu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA27824; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:14:40 -0800 Received: by corn.cso.niu.edu id AA08319 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 14 Feb 1995 19:14:48 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 19:14:48 -0600 (CST) From: dearborn michael jam Subject: Re: Lagic Trance To: yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199502141907.AA144758878@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Good Question. Since I didn't get to meet any net ravers in St louis, I think it would be coolto do so on staurday. If my opinion means anything to anybody, GO TO TRANCE LOGIC 2!!!!!!!! PECAE Mike Dearborn On Tue, 14 Feb 1995 yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu wrote: > Is there going to be a net meeting at trance logic? Where and when? > > peace > > fantasia > From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 17:44:49 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id RAA29787; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:44:49 -0800 Received: from UICVM.UIC.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA29781; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:44:45 -0800 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:44:45 -0800 Message-Id: <199502150144.RAA29781@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from SLIP42.CC.UIC.EDU by UICVM.UIC.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 14 Feb 95 19:32:40 CST X-Sender: u64832@uicvm.cc.uic.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: u64832@uicvm.cc.uic.edu (Messiah Of The New Generation) Subject: Hmmmm... Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk OK, so who's gonna go to Trance Logic! For sure I will :) I hope to see y'all there! Concerning alcohol, it's very very good, but it depends how you drink it. Bambi, I'll try to get Zubrowka this week, but I'm not sure, coz there are some problems with the tax-free store. Anyway if not this week, for sure next one! BTW, there is nothing better than a ZUBROWKA (Polish Vodka) with some apple juice!!!! If you want to try it, email me and I'll get some Zubrowka for you... :) JAN (WASIO) /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ \ \ / \ / / / / / \ /\ \ \ / /\ \ / / /\ / \ / /\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \/ \ \ \/ \ \/\ \ \ \ \ \ \ \/\ \ \ /\ \ \ /\ \ \ \/\ \ \ \ \ \ \ / \ \ \/ \/ / / \ / \ \/ / \ /_ \ \ _ / /_ / /_ \ /_ / \/ / / \/ / / \/ / / \/ / / \/ / /____/ /____/ /____/ /____/ /____/ "Life Is Stranger Than Death" - FLA Janek (WASIO) u64832@uicvm.cc.uic.edu From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 17:47:42 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id RAA29960; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:47:42 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA29950; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 17:47:39 -0800 From: MaxximumSL@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA001262834; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 20:47:14 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 20:47:14 -0500 Message-Id: <950214200031_21638808@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Fluid loss due to X Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Like Craig said, there is abosutely do fluid loss due to MDMA MDEA, MDE ...... The of form of X that can be dangerous is MDA. Long term exposure will fuck up your nervous system. As far as I am concerned, MDEA is one of the cleanest one. My brother takes an average of 15 gramms (15 000 milli grams) of E per year and has no problems. pEace and out. From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 18:16:14 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id SAA01754; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 18:16:14 -0800 Received: from oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA01747; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 18:16:11 -0800 Received: (from ckozup@localhost) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) id VAA24126 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:16:17 -0500 From: "Chris C. Kozup" Message-Id: <199502150216.VAA24126@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: FUK To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:16:16 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1295 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello... I was wondering how many people were planning on heading to Fuk next weekend in Lexington KY? I haven't seen Richie Hawtin in quite some time and I think that it would be worth the trip to head down there. I have heard that his parties are usually fairly expensive, and I wonder if anyone can offer some insight into how much this party will cost.. Also, I know that this is probably unlikely, but what are the bust factors on this party? And lastly, is there a net discount? (That would be nice!)..... Well, hopefully, I will be there... if not, maybe I'll catch y'all at Heartland... Lator Gators...............................................chRis -- *<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<< Chris Kozup ckozup@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu >>>> >>>> ************** Ohio University- Athens, Ohio 45701 ************** <<<< <<<< >>>> >>>> "Everybody Dance.. Clap your hands.. Clap your hands.." -CHIC <<<< <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<* From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 18:59:21 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id SAA04429; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 18:59:21 -0800 Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA04415; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 18:59:17 -0800 From: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Message-Id: <199502150259.SAA04415@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1065; Tue, 14 Feb 95 20:57:55 CST Date: Tue, 14 Feb 95 20:51:03 CST To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Leave the (-) behind Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk To Input on the Current Discussion, Sure, people get high and drunk and go to parties. This is the assummed belief that these external factors will make a person have a good time. But to dwell on people who do these things and not the good things that come out of raves is just a waste of time trying to correct the negative forces that be. Let's give props to the djs and ravers and the organizers who just wanted to have a good time and made it happen. They are the ones who keep this scene alive.... Peace, Zheam From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 19:03:53 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA04830; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 19:03:53 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA04823; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 19:03:50 -0800 Received: from alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (synergy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.2]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id VAA13159 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:03:56 -0600 Received: (synergy@localhost) by alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) id VAA26757; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:03:45 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:03:45 -0600 (CST) From: "Brad Owen (Massive Magazine)" To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: By Way Of Introduction (again) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I forwarded this earlier today and It hasn't seem to come through so I figured i'd try it again. Sorry if you get two copies of this...just delete one :) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 18:41:02 -0600 (CST) From: Brad Owen (Massive Magazine) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: By Way Of Introduction (fwd) Here is something I wrote to the house mailing list...since no one's responded to it yet....I figured I'd put it here so that my typing wasn't in vain. Subscribe to that list at listserv@netcom.com with "subscribe so-deep" in your message. Peace. Brad -------------------------- ----------------------------------------- - - - Brad J. Owen (Synergy) - - --------- - - - - ------------- - - Quadrasonic Promotions - - --------------- - - Massive Magazine - - --- ------- --- - - - - - ----- - - - Milwaukee, Wisconsin - - --- - - - - - - - synergy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu - - - - - -------------------------- ----------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 09:17:23 -0600 (CST) From: Brad Owen (Massive Magazine) To: House Mailing List Subject: By Way Of Introduction Hello there fellow "so-deep" members. I'm excited about the starting of this list...never has there been a mailing list which exclusively deals with house music. The rave mailing lists have been pretentious "I'll meet you at 12am at the smart bar" sorts of things, IDM is stuck way too far up Richard James' ass, and many of the uk and european lists are very region specific. Therefore, I salute the individuals who've taken it upon themselves to start this. A job well done. Nonetheless...On to the music. Suprisingly, the new M-People twelve inch is quite good...I mean, sure, the original and LuvDup mixes are utter shite but when Farley and Heller take control, the tracks double in worth and playability. Super phat acid "like" basslines and a nice siren effect. Very good. The latest fresh fruit release is noteable. Mixes from The Good Men and Ramone Zenker. Kind of along the lines of his mix of Floorjam on Legato (minus the guitar). Decent. There's a new track on Defintive US which has been turning heads...four tracker who's name escapes me...best track is called "beat box." Ver percussive house. Yummmm. Seka records latest Centurions release isn't bad...progressive stuff along the lines of Dave Lee's other little psuedonyms. Drum Roll and Sample Ridden for the "hands in the air" effect. The new Random Noise Generation on 430 West is not bad...however, I will say that they dropped their best record a few months back with Octave One's double twelve, The X-Files (not to be confused with Kay Alexii). The new Aphrohead double did absolutely nothing for me, aside from one track...making it not worth the purchase. Felix is really hit or miss with me..."In The Dark We Live" was great...his last on Reload was good...but those two on Global Cuts bored the hell out of me...and classics like Freakadelica on DJax and Nu-World on Guerilla both bit. Purely my own opinion. I'm not sure how interesting this will be to anyone but...the Interferon Ep from X313 (Alan Oldham) will be getting some very serious workovers...Dave Clarke (his first rmx on an exclusively US label), Mad Mike (Alan's trying to convince him to return to the "Death Star" and "Punisher" days) and Woody McBride. That one should be interesting...out on Generator later this year. Well...that's all for me. Peace Out. Brad -------------------------- ----------------------------------------- - - - Brad J. Owen (Synergy) - - --------- - - - - ------------- - - Quadrasonic Promotions - - --------------- - - Massive Magazine - - --- ------- --- - - - - - ----- - - - Milwaukee, Wisconsin - - --- - - - - - - - synergy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu - - - - - -------------------------- ----------------------------------------- From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 19:54:25 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA07186; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 19:54:25 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA07180; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 19:54:22 -0800 From: venn@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0recEV-0000KuC; Tue, 14 Feb 95 23:24 CST Message-Id: Subject: mw-raves is NOT enough, READ! To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 23:24:59 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1347 As a veteran of this list (more than 18+ months), I feel compelled to finally express my displeasure over the fact that this list fails to represent the techno, house, and jungle scenes in the midwest. Instead, the discussions on mw-raves rarely have to do with the music, and only about half the time, offer any (usually frivolous) commentary on the parties. The calendar part of mw-raves is excellent, I appreciate it and think it's well-maintained, but now that it is separate from mw-raves list, why be on mw-raves anymore? I think it may be time to start alternative mailing lists which have a clearer mission in mind, to represent the different genres, such as the jungle/breaks scene (for "those" people most everyone else on here seems to hate), and the ol'skool techno scene, to give two examples. It would cut down on flame wars to have separate mailing lists, and provide more specific service to people. If people want to stay on mw-raves and maintain it as it is, a somewhat cliquish group of friends discussing personal beliefs, anecdotes, fine. But I came for the music, the enlightenment, and the inspiration. Ther is no "scene" anymore, there are scenes, and if you want your favorite one to grow and prosper, you have to stand with the creators, for that you need a forum and this is NOT it. Who is with me? Venn (aka Yusef) From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 20:28:20 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA08965; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 20:28:20 -0800 Received: from ROCK.SAN.UC.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA08958; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 20:28:17 -0800 Received: from uceng.uc.edu by UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU (PMDF V4.3-10 #7238) id <01HN22OQDNK0QOJUTT@UCBEH.SAN.UC.EDU>; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 23:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by uceng.uc.edu (8.6.9/1.34) id XAA26616; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 23:26:02 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 23:26:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Kemal H. SAHIN" Subject: About Restoration X-Sender: ksahin@uceng To: mw-raves@hyperreal.COM Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.COM Precedence: bulk I am looking for a ride to Restoration (Feb 17,1994) in Cincinnati... Please *mail* me [ksahin@uceng.uc.edu] if you can give me a ride or if you would like to share a cab :) Bye.... Kemal From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 21:20:31 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA11115; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:20:31 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA11105; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:20:27 -0800 From: E1024@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA243945600; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 00:20:01 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 00:20:01 -0500 Message-Id: <950214234756_21835278@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: furthur 2 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone have any idea of whats going on at furthur 2 this year? Who's the headliner ? Will it be at the same spot? etc.,etc. Eric From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 21:26:29 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA11329; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:26:29 -0800 Received: from rs5.tcs.tulane.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA11318; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:26:26 -0800 Received: (jeremy@localhost) by rs5.tcs.tulane.edu (8.6.9/8.5) id XAA85251; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 23:28:13 -0600 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 1995 23:28:13 -0600 (CST) From: Daniel Millstein X-Sender: jeremy@rs5.tcs.tulane.edu To: venn@mtech.csd.uwm.edu cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: mw-raves is NOT enough, READ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk In case Venn hasn't realized, I just read a post that there were only 200 members on the mw-raves mailing list anyway. If smaller, more specific lists were to occur, you'ld have lists with about 10 or so people on them, which would probably be a much more likely environment for the personalized messages which which Venn hates so much. As it is, I feel mw-raves is informative and the perfect setup. No one says that you have to read everything that turns up in your mailbox. Skimming the subjects for titles that pertain to my interests is what helps me to sort through multiple mailing lists. The way things are set up now, provides an excellent forum for people whose interests are more than singular, to comment or hear about all aspects of the scene. Daniel e From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 14 21:56:04 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA12115; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:56:04 -0800 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA12097; Tue, 14 Feb 1995 21:55:59 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyddn09602; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 00:56:05 -0500 Received: from abennett by iglou.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0rech1-0001yjC; Wed, 15 Feb 95 00:54 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: abennett@iglou.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 00:54:28 -0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) Subject: Re: FUK Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Hello... I was wondering how many people were planning on heading to Fuk >next weekend in Lexington KY? >I haven't seen Richie Hawtin in quite some time and I think that it would >be worth the trip to head down there. >I have heard that his parties are usually fairly expensive, and I wonder >if anyone can offer some insight into how much this party will cost.. >Also, I know that this is probably unlikely, but what are the bust factors >on this party? >And lastly, is there a net discount? (That would be nice!)..... I'll be at FUK, unless some freak blizzard plows through the mid-west that weekend. His parties aren't that expensive. I got into JAK2 for $5. Bargain. As far as I know, the only discount is for card carrying members of PlastikProdukt, the club type of thing that +8 Records does to keep people informed of what's going on with their label. You get news, can buy IntelliNET releases, and other goodies. Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com 3) if you havent already heard, electro/breakdance music is BAAACK. >apparently there are new LABELS of this shit coming out from england; >anyone know anything yet? meself i am down with detroit's electro like >drexciya, underground resistance, and the odd kenny larkin track... Yeah, electro was voted to be the next 'popular' form of techno what-have-you in the 1994 IDM poll. What that actually means, I have no clue. I think some people got word of some strong releases that would be out, took a gamble, and *poof*, it's the latest. A track on LFO's latest single is kinda electro bleepy stuff. But for anyone desiring electro, go out and grab the Street Jams series on Rhino records. These have the real gems, the tunes from the 80's, all the cool stuff. >4) is ambient DEAD?!?!?!! i am struggling to find ANY good ambient even >tho i have been in the mood to waste the cash. last good thing i herd >was something called "deep blue bass" (i think) on blue vinyl...has a >nice rendered silver planet on the cover. nice ambient with one track >goin out sooper slow hip hop styley. Good ambient exists. It's getting through the slosh that is the problem. There have been some great releases of late, such as Dark Side of the Moog on FAX, Deep Space Network on Instinct, and Global Communications 76:14. Then there's always the Eno, Rich, and other's releases. Best bet for ambient news is the ambient list @ hyperreal. But it's busy! Very loud. May not be the best alternative for all. >5) this one is for you, andrew. > >"muuuussiiicccc makes u move" you betcha! Some recent decent purchases of mine that I'd recommend: IOTD5 (import on R&S) :: 2cds or whatever vinyl. Good compilation, solid Detroit / techno influences. Plastikman - Music :: we all know this guy. nice trippy solid release. Depth Charge :: 9 Deadly Venoms. Remember Eon's "The Spice"? 1/2 of Eon here. Some might call this "Trip Hop". Some imports are limited edition 2cds! HIA - Clourform :: finally out domestic! fantastic ambience! Dubtribe - Sound System :: if for "Mother Earth" alone.. yum Mystical Sun - Primordial Atmospheres :: ambience that will melt your head. CD on sale. trancesun@aol.com for info. Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com >>> it didn't exist, or was for well under the expected crowd). >>>> The police found us organized, respectful and responsive and then >>>> left leaving ground rules for the future. It was shortly after that, >>>> and this is just my guess, that they saw how many people were actually >>>> arriving. The fire marshall was called and the rest is history. - >>>> But there were NO PERMITS. I don't know about 3000 people, >>>> but at least 2000 @ approx $15 = $30,000+ for a budget. >>>> And nowhere was there room for some permits? Hmmm... >>>> I'm thinking irresponsible. >>>> >>>> So instead we had a dozen smaller parties all across sT. lOUIS. >>>> Cosmic, Mike Dearborn and myself spun at Nitro's >>>> I saw Sean C and others at the Locust St. Afterhours >>>> Oh Yeah, Tripper Info set up a stripped down version of >>>> their live PA - Big up to the crew. >>>> Astroboy and I spun at his place, wow great vibe - but it >>>> really was Traxx and Mystic Bill that ruled this joint. >>>> Yah. With both playing early and late sets, they had >>>> the house music St. Louis demanded! >>>> Way too much Nitrous though. Too many just laying around >>>> and sleeping. >>>> >>>> Which reminds me, I think an alcoholic drink is great. It's a rare >>>> occasion for me, but I'd hate to not have it. >>>> I think part of the problem is that unlike marijuana, acid and >>>> MDMA's derivitives, alcohol has become socially institutionalized >>>> in the mainstream - like cigarettes have. Far too many have found >>>> a party life in sitting and drinking. Also for many, it's >>>> thought of as an acceptable method of rebellion. "I feel pent >>>> up or angry at the world, I'm going to get drunk" >>>> >>>> But there are a great many of us who don't become grumpy from drinking. >>>> There are those who's brain chemistries are such that alcohol >>>> is what can free it up enough to become thoughtful and expressive. >>>> Others, who find alcohol or marijuana clumsy and foggy, enter that >>>> freedom though psychedelic vehicles. eh? >>>> >>>> Some of us are so fortunate, that no chemical alteration is required >>>> to experience a high level of thought and expression. :) >>>> >>>> Some don't NEED it, but find they can benefit by experimentation. >>>> The point is, if your chemical experiments affect others >>>> negatively, someone will blow a whistle (god I hope not). >>>> >>>> So, yah, know your limits! Yah. >>>> >>>> Also for lighting alternatives in the Indiana area, contact >>>> Andy Simms (Simmsurreal lighting) at IRC audio in Castleton, >>>> Indianapolis. >>>> And Andy Megganhoffen from the Vogue nightclub in Broadripple. >>>> Also, Rick Thompson, SIN prod. recently acquired some Martin >>>> scans in addition to his babystars, jewels and strobes. >>>> >>>> All of these people have different systems at different prices... >>>> sorry no Ph. #'s E-mail me for them >>>> >>>> The ASYLUM in Dayton this Fri. (just to toot my own horn) >>>> will feature both Joey Beltram and Myself. >>>> See you there or at V-Ger... >>>> please, Please, PLEAASE don't get busted! >>>> Love to you all, >>>> David Hollands From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 00:57:14 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id AAA18499; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 00:57:14 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA18493; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 00:57:11 -0800 From: MaxximumSL@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA15547; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 03:56:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 03:56:49 -0500 Message-Id: <950215020130_21931174@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: 100 ways to keep your Testoster Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Rules To Be A Man (100 ways to keep your Testosterone flowing) 1 Don't call, ever. 2 If you don't like a girl, don't tell her. It's more fun to let her figure it out by herself. 3 Lie. 4 Name your penis. Be sure it is something narcissistic and unoriginal, such as "spike" 5 If you lose something that belongs to someone else, tell them you mailed it to them. 6 Here's a good pickup line, "My girlfriend's pregnant, will you go out with me? 7 Drink Vernors. 8 Play with yourself. Talk about it. 9 Be as ambiguous as possible. If you don't want to answer, a nice grunt will do. 10 Always remember: You are a man. Therefore, no matter what, it isn't your fault. 11 Lie 12 Girls find it attractive if a man has had more women than baths. 13 Never ask for help. Even if you really, really need help- don't ask. People will think you have no penis. 14 Women like it when you ignore them. It arouses them. 15 Vanity is the most important trait for a man to have. Whenever you pass a reflective surface, check you hair, clothing, etc. 16 If you don't like a girl, but can't think of a good enough reason why, just come up with trite, meaningless explanations like, "I don't know. I just don't like her personality." 17 If, GOD FORBID, you have to talk to a girl on the phone, use only monosyllabic words and noises. Bodily noises are permissible. 18 TWO WORDS: Hack and spit. 19 Everyone finds a man more attractive if he can write his name in urine. 20 One sure way to make a girl like you is to go after her best friend. She will then see what she's missing and love you for not giving up on her. 21 Tell her you will call. Then, refer back to rule #1. 22 Say things like "Wha...?" 23 Don't wear matching clothes. People will think your girlfriend picked it out, and it will cramp your style on picking up chicks. 24 Lie. 25 Deny everything. Everything. 26 Good break up line, "It's not you, it's me." 27 If you like a girl, tell all your female friends about her. Because if any of your female friends like you, they'll really want to know. 28 Don't have a clue. 29 If you get a clue, pretend you didn't and disregard it. 30 No means yes. 31 Yes means no. 32 If you don't get sex whenever you want, your balls will shrivel. Enforce this rule at all times. 33 If anyone asks, you have had sex in all possible positions and locations. Improvise. 34 Much like an orgasm signifies the end of a sexual peak, sex often signifies the end of a relationship. 35 Feelings? What feelings? 36 Tell this to your girl before you have sex, "Don't worry. If you don't hav e an orgasm, you won't get pregnant." 37 Life is one big competition. If someone is better than you at anything, either pretend it's not true or kick some ass. 38 Lie I tell you!! 39 DO NOT make decisions about relationships. If you are backed into a corner and must make a decision, stall. If you still must come up with an answer, leave yourself a loophole for escape. Example: Question: "Honey, will you take me out for a romantic dinner?" Answer: "Yes, if you can guess how many sperm I produce each day." 40 Every sentence that anyone says can be contorted to have sexual meaning. Do so. 41 At any given opportunity, point out how things look like various genitalia. If, by chance, you have Play-Doh, make sure you make an exact replica of your penis. Measure to make sure it's right. 42 Lie. 43 "Love" is not in your vocabulary. don't even think about saying it. 44 A general rule: If whatever you're doing does not satisfy you completely in 5 minutes, it's really not worth it. 45 Diss your girlfriend. Beg and plead until you get her back. Diss her again. Repeat cycle. 46 Lie. 47 ALWAYS apologize. NEVER mean it. 48 If you hurt someone, pretend you care. Don't. 49 Try to have a good memory, but it's OK if you forget trivial things. You know, like your girlfriend's b-day and eye color. 50 Ignorance solves problems. If you can't see them, they can't see you. 51 It is never your duty to take responsibility for your actions. 52 Create new words and phrases to describe genitalia, sex, semen, etc. 53 Complain about not getting any mail. When people FINALLY feel sorry for you and send you mail, ignore it and continue complaining. 54 Lie. 55 Play with your food only if you are in a public place with people you don't know. 56 Play with your penis only if you are in a public place with people you don't know. 57 If people express extreme disgust at whatever you are doing, DON'T STOP! This is the desired reaction. 58 You are NOT a virgin. Ever. Males are born without virginity. 59 You are male, therefore you are superior. 60 Agenda for a boring evening: Get beer. Drink beer. Play with yourself. Have sex. Drink more beer. Pass out. 61 Females do not care what you do to them as long as they get to please you. 62 Don't ever notice anything. 63 If you're going out with someone but you love someone else, don't say anything. Wait until the girl you are going out with falls in love with YOU, and then tell her. 64 Basic fundamental rule of dating: Quantity, not quality. 65 Basic fundamental rule of sex: Quantity IS quality. 66 Lie again. 67 If you cheat on a girl, but no one finds out, then technically you've done nothing wrong. 68 Crying is not manly. Then again, if you are a man, what do you have to cry about, anyway? 69 If the question begins with "why," the answer is "I don't know." 70 Women are your napkins. Use them, and throw them away. 71 Remember, Every virgin girl is saving herself for YOU. 72 If you ever find yourself in a position where you have been proven wrong, blame others. Come up with creative and believable excuses why they are at fault- not you. 73 Don't ever let anyone say "I told you so." If you hear this phrase and it didn't come out of your mouth, go ballistic. 74 If your woman makes you go shopping with her, drive around until a parking spot right near the door opens up. If this takes hours, so be it. You will have the coveted "door spot" and others will worship your skills. 75 Keep track of how many seconds in your life you have thought about sex. Compare with others. 76 Other peoples' pain is strictly for your amusement. Laugh long and loud. 77 Lie. 78 General Rule: Different is BAD. 79 If anyone asks you for a favor- a) make a big deal about how hard it is for you to do it, b) remind them of this huge favor you've done for them at least every 5 minutes for the rest of their life. 80 Each penny you save will be worth at least a dollar in the long run. 81 If you do something really mean to a girl, and she doesn't want to talk to you, pretend nothing happened. If she still doesn't talk to you, casually ask, "is somethin g wrong?" 82 Three words: Let's be friends. Translation: I never want to speak to you again, but it's bad for my nice-guy image if you are mad at me, so I'll pretend I want to be your friend. 83 Lie. 84 If you're on a date, and there is a lull in the conversation, tell the girl how many different dorms you've been laid in. 85 When you tell a girl about your past, it's good to say, "God, I was such a pimp back then." 86 Here's a good trick. Tell a girl that you're going to leave and when you come back, you want her naked, sprawled on the bed. Leave, and go into her dad's room and tell him he should go check on his daughter. Then drive like hell. (true story.) 87 If a girl breaks up with you because you're in love with someone else, she has no right to be upset. Because, you know, SHE's the one who wanted to end the relationship. 88 The best sex position is you, lying face up... and twenty girls on top. 89 Practice your blank stare. 90 Spend your spare time thinking of excuses and shove them up your ass. Then, whenever you need one, you can pull it out of your ass. 91 If you ever forced to show emotion, just pick random emotions like rage and lust and insanity and display them at random, inconvenient times. You won't be asked to do it again. 92 If you are asked to do something you REALLY DON'T want to do, first try your manly best to get out of it. If that doesn't work, go ahead and do what you were asked to do, but complain that you don't know how to do it and continuously ask questions on how to do each little part. If no one rushes in to do it for you YET, finish the job in the most half-assed way you possibly can and then say, "SEE?? I TOLD you I couldn't do it." Eventually, people will stop asking you to do things. 93 Work out day and night to make your body even more beautiful than it already is. When people ask if you've been working out, say things like, "No, Baby, I was BORN like this!" 94 Do not listen to "pussy music" such as Erasure, Color Me Badd, or Oldies. 95 Beer. Then more beer. 96 Scratch your balls. See if you can embarrass people. 97 One word: FOOTBALL! 98 Real men beat up others who are inferior. I mean, we don't want the inferior of the species to get to reproduce ever, do we??? 99 Diss your girl friends for an occasional night or 5 out with "The Gang". 100 LIE. ThanXs to Gill the Rainbow man From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 06:43:16 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id GAA00176; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:43:16 -0800 Received: from ATK.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA00171; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:43:12 -0800 Received: from gateway1 by ATK.COM (8.6.9/8.6.9) id IAA09571; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 08:42:34 -0600 Message-Id: <199502151442.IAA09571@ATK.COM> Date: 15 Feb 1995 08:45:39 -0600 From: "Brian Sequira" Subject: Re: CnH2n+1OH at raves To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Subject: RE>CnH2n+1OH at raves ya know, its kinda funny reading all these posts about alcohol, coming from people who just a week ago were saying how drugs (E) are just a part of raving and that "i can dance better", "i can relate to the music better", now are saying that alcohol has no place at the rave scene. all i can say is, this is ?confusing? i thought that ravers are supposed to be 'open-minded' liberal (from what you all tell me??). Now i hear you put down, turn down somebody else's drug of choice. huh? !peace always! -spin= 'bEAk' - ...bass8.............................;rev; From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 06:59:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id GAA00871; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:59:19 -0800 Received: from nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA00865; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 06:59:16 -0800 Received: by nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA12954; Wed, 15 Feb 95 10:13:39 GMT-0500 From: jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (Jennifer Palmer) Message-Id: <9502151513.AA12954@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu> Subject: Re: About Restoration To: ksahin@uceng.uc.edu (Kemal H. SAHIN) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:13:37 -0500 (EST) Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Kemal H. SAHIN" at Feb 14, 95 11:26:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 370 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > > > I am looking for a ride to Restoration (Feb 17,1994) in Cincinnati... > > Please *mail* me [ksahin@uceng.uc.edu] if you can give me a ride or if > you would like to share a cab :) > > Bye.... > > Kemal > > Kemal try emailing mike at quest@iglou.com jen -- *Jennifer Palmer* aka Deadbeat jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu or palmerje@miavx1.muohio.edu From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 07:02:07 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA01108; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:02:07 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA01103; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:02:04 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA13145; Wed, 15 Feb 95 09:03:42 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id IAA23829; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 08:59:38 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22848; Wed, 15 Feb 95 09:01:23 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02413; Wed, 15 Feb 95 09:01:22 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502151501.AA02413@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: Logic Trance To: z912661@corn.cso.niu.edu (dearborn michael jam) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 9:01:21 CST Cc: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu, mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: ; from "dearborn michael jam" at Feb 14, 95 7:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } Trance logic two in chi-town WILL NOT BE BUSTED!!!!!!! It is being put } on by core innovations. On Tue, 14 Feb 1995, stevenJ wrote: } core immatations has a fairly high record of busted parties, also a very high record of truely lame parties... I'd be careful with this one - as I'd be careful with any core party - sometimes they turn out alright but alot of the time its just a plain rip off plus it will be at least 15 bucks (when is a core party any less?) --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- -> have you ever been in intellectual combat with an unarmed person, and <- -> not given them a running head start? <- From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 07:06:40 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA01294; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:06:40 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA01289; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:06:38 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0remj1-0000L4C; Wed, 15 Feb 95 10:37 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: re: Logic Trance II To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:37:11 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 485 Forwarded message: ::From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) :: ::plus it will be at least 15 bucks (when is a core party any less?) Thanks for the info, Kurt. Does anyone know what they are charging? With a sketchy history (it came back to me after I sent the message) and possibly a LARGE door price I'd like to know b4 making plans. - stevenJ t r a n c e l e m e n t a l i s t t h o u g h t a subsidiary of kharmachanic industries stevenJ --- emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 07:11:12 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA01605; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:11:12 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA01597; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:11:08 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA13481; Wed, 15 Feb 95 09:12:45 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id JAA24135; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:08:41 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23264; Wed, 15 Feb 95 09:10:26 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02431; Wed, 15 Feb 95 09:10:25 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502151510.AA02431@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: mw-raves is NOT enough, READ! To: jeremy@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu (Daniel Millstein) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 9:10:24 CST Cc: venn@mtech.csd.uwm.edu, mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: ; from "Daniel Millstein" at Feb 14, 95 11:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well in the end it makes more sense to keep it as one list? why? because we all have to deal with each other in the end anyhow - so why not do it on a daily basis. eventually I'm going to go unsuspecting to a party where i'll be forced to listen to jungle in two rooms at once (wait didn't this already happen?) where the flyer says there will be a house room. and someday some poor junglist ruffneck mean person (whos proud of it no less) will have to deal with thick-vibe house. As a list we function fairly well. There hasn't been a real flame war on here in quite a while ( a real flame war is defined as a series of arguments which eventually leads to one side accusing the other of being a nazi ;-) (any one who reads usenet regularly will understand that) I see more flame wars on the giggles jokes list than i see here. S I think were doing fairly well. I think in turn it would help if we all got together on a non-rave level once in a while, things like nicolas parties (or hey even the party I had long ago), maybe some meetings. maybe promoting some parties as a group but we are all in the same culture - and yes there are factions (i' a drug-free-music-lovin-fashion-hatin-vibey-house-junkie) but we all coexist and should coexist on the mw-raves list --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- -> have you ever been in intellectual combat with an unarmed person, and <- -> not given them a running head start? <- From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 07:43:55 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA03069; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:43:55 -0800 Received: from gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA03059; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:43:51 -0800 Received: by gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU (931110.SGI/921111.SGI.AUTO) for mw-raves@hyperreal.com id AA05820; Wed, 15 Feb 95 07:14:49 -0600 From: "Mark Bowen" Message-Id: <9502150714.ZM5818@gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:14:42 -0600 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Alcohol and violence Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk it has been said: >Where have you been man? Are >you drunk now? I think you need to revise that on dude. Like cut and paste or >edit >Suppose your eight or nine years old and your dad beats you when you get >drunk I think some people are getting bitter about stuff that has little to do with raves. I mean this is really a HUGE problem isn't it. All that alcohol getting parties shut down. People at parties taking to much alcohol and freaking out or overdosing. People sitting on the floor alone in a corner because they've had to much alcohol. Where do people get the idea that alcohol is synonymous with violence. I all my drinking age life I've seen maybe two fights in a bar. Of course whenever I have a beer I feel like smacking people around and I know bambi does too. (i've seen him). Oh and to top it off its pretty reasonable to equate having a drink with getting falling down wasted. Unlike some drugs I know where one recommended dose doesn't effect you too much. And we should stop all that wife beating at raves too. In fact the whole world would be better if people just didn't drink. Call Newt up and see what he can do. Not to discount real problems in this world but what does this have to do with parties? -- Mark Bowen mb@gettins.bche.uic.edu "Someday we'll walk on Venus Men will live on mars But we will still be monkeys Deep down inside " -Talking Heads From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 07:55:22 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA03777; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:55:22 -0800 Received: from downburst.mm.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA03767; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:55:17 -0800 Received: from downburst.mm.com (vibe@downburst.mm.com [204.73.34.2]) by downburst.mm.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA01460; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:59:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:59:55 -0600 (CST) From: "amy m. cielinski " To: MaxximumSL@aol.com cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: 100 ways to keep your Testoster In-Reply-To: <950215020130_21931174@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 15 Feb 1995 MaxximumSL@aol.com wrote: > Rules To Be A Man > (100 ways to keep your Testosterone flowing..... *shudder* This offends me greatly. Not only was this insensitive, sexist, and degrading to women AND men alike, I struggle to find significance for a post of this nature to a list like this. Crap like this makes mw-raves look bad, as long as doing NOTHING to promote any sort of unity and love and respect etc.etc. for the scene. I am sure there is an alt.women.bashing.with.immature.jokes group somewhere that would suit this sludge more fittingly. Peace, Amy From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 08:00:01 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA04024; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 08:00:01 -0800 Received: from corn.cso.niu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA04017; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 07:59:57 -0800 Received: by corn.cso.niu.edu id AA05116 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:00:00 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:00:00 -0600 (CST) From: dearborn michael jam To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, Well, Well. Another weekend, another busted party. Question, was this almost exactly like new years eve in NYC(Hell, oh I mean Heaven). A big party, Killer line up, people from everywhere. Hmmm.... Oh well, it wasn't a total loss. I met lotsa people, very friendly I might add. I even met two gladiators(How about that). I am dissapointed about not getting to meet the net ravers. that was something I was looking foward to. However, I finally spoke with supa' danca' SUZY Q". SHE'S FUCKIN' DOPE. A really cool gal. Chat with her on the net or the vrave thingy, you will definetly get a good conversation. For all of you going to the party saturday(Trance Logic 2 which I highly suggest) Lets all meet somewhere. Remember, STAY UNDERGROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PEACE MIKE DEARBORN From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 08:23:27 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA05620; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 08:23:27 -0800 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA05612; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 08:23:23 -0800 Received: from [128.135.137.31] (shoreland2-31.rh.uchicago.edu) by midway.uchicago.edu for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Wed, 15 Feb 95 10:23:20 CST Message-Id: <9502151623.AA17158@midway.uchicago.edu> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 11:30:38 +0100 To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: srlenard@midway.uchicago.edu (Steven Lenard) Subject: Trance logic $$$ Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk It costs thirteen dollars in advance and I don't know how much at the door Steven From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 08:29:59 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA06006; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 08:29:59 -0800 Received: from infochi.infochi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA05994; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 08:29:43 -0800 Received: by infochi.infochi.com id AA24330 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:30:44 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 11:25:32 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Shea Subject: Re: Alcohol at raves To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Feb 1995, alvarez bob wrote: > > What I meant was that to assume everyone connected with the "house culture" > > drinks alcohol at parties seemed a bit weird to me. I've been to plenty of > > house parties, and don't drink at them, and neither do many of the other > > folks I see there. > > Stu > o, if I read correctly, you tried to imply that house music has > "different" roots, as if there was more than one House culture > to begin with. Well, stu, in House culture, alcohol is a fact. In rave > culture, drugs are a fact. Just imagine all the shit they talk about your > habitswhile you are over here complaining about theirs. Just because they > enjoy a good drink and get shit faced doesn't mean that they're not smart, > because that's THEIR outlet of pleasure, just like Raver's choice include > meth and E.Clubbers and Housers get shit faceed, while Ravers have bad > trips and swear they have come in contact with aliens. No difference. > Stop downing them so much. I'm not "downing" anybody, except those people who can't handle their alcohol at parties and interrupt everyone else's vibe. In addition, I'm not being so glib as to say something as absolute as "in house culture, alcohol is a fact. In rave culture, drugs are a fact". What, exactly, does that mean? English folks, for instance, would disagree vigorously with such a statement. Furthermore, don't assume I'm in an I/they mode. Noting that some people get drunk at parties and act like assholes doesn't pin me as part of one or another "culture". THere is, by the way, a big fat difference between someone running into you, picking a fight with you, or stepping on your toes and someone telling you they've come into contact with an alien. Up, Stu From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 08:37:59 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA06600; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 08:37:59 -0800 Received: from infochi.infochi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA06589; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 08:37:51 -0800 Received: by infochi.infochi.com id AA24378 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for mw-raves ); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:38:37 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 11:37:36 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Shea Subject: Re: Logic Trance To: dearborn michael jam Cc: stevenJ , mw-raves In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Feb 1995, dearborn michael jam wrote: > Trance logic two in chi-town WILL NOT BE BUSTED!!!!!!! It is being put > on by core innovations. On Tue, 14 Feb 1995, stevenJ wrote: Well now for those of us who have been to quite a few Core events that have been busted or have been tremendously oversold...we might need a little assurance here that goes beyond exclamation points. The lineup does sound good, but I've thought that about many Core parties, only to have been boined. Stu From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 08:44:31 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA07044; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 08:44:31 -0800 Received: from infochi.infochi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA07033; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 08:44:25 -0800 Received: by infochi.infochi.com id AA24443 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:45:43 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 11:41:25 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Shea Subject: Re: mw-raves is NOT enough, READ! To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 14 Feb 1995 venn@mtech.csd.uwm.edu wrote: > As a veteran of this list (more than 18+ months), I feel > compelled to finally express my displeasure over the fact that this > list fails to represent the techno, house, and jungle scenes in the Okay, message received. However, I, for one, as a veteran of some 14 months myself, find this a fine list. Sure, there may not be as many reviews as you'd find on IDM or alt.rave, but who says this list has to be about reviews anyway? Speaking as someone who's written music reviews himself in the past, it can become a cliquish, geeky thing to do, and often ends up being sort of elitist. I don't find the party reviews here trivial; in fact, careful observers like stevenJ, Craig, Ellen, Bambi, etc. give me plenty of data to work with. Plus, who'd want to be without a talent like Tigger? As far as Brad's characterization of this list as "pretentious", I have no idea what the hell he's talking about. I'm happy to be here, and wouldn't trade this crowd (even the ones I sometimes disagree with) for another one. Stu From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 08:47:42 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA07226; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 08:47:42 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA07218; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 08:47:39 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.203.92]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13311; Wed, 15 Feb 95 08:49:27 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08566; Wed, 15 Feb 95 08:49:25 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00713; Wed, 15 Feb 95 10:49:05 CST Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 10:49:05 CST Message-Id: <9502151649.AA00713@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: SATURDAY NIGHT IN CHICAGO! Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well, here we go again :) since we gonna have two parties in chi-town saturday (TranceLogic and Stellar), I assume quite a few people will travel into town, so I'll host yet another little (free) party. Will probably start around 7pm, and last till people go to either Stellar or TranceLogic. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU WOULD COME, THX! More info will be posted later on today or tomorrow (especially dj line-up). bambi nib@dlogics.com From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 09:20:31 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA09266; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:20:31 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA09257; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:20:28 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA28132 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 12:20:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 12:21:24 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950215122124.20a06e60@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: Drugs Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Craig L. Stodolenak I love you baby. I agreed with every thing you said. It is a problem and we should deal with it ourselves rather than have someone else deal with it for us. Some politicians son might end up in the hospital or something and start an anti rave campaign across America making it virtually impossible to Rent a Space, Organize or enjoy casual use. I bet $50 dollars that some gov't official is reading everything that goes across this list. Betcha. Miles From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 09:28:48 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA09984; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:28:48 -0800 Received: from UKCC.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA09976; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:28:44 -0800 Message-Id: <199502151728.JAA09976@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from UKCC.UKY.EDU by UKCC.uky.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8406; Wed, 15 Feb 95 12:28:01 EST Received: from ukcc.uky.edu (NJE origin THELME00@UKCC) by UKCC.UKY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9779; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 11:40:37 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 11:39:50 EST From: tim To: mw-raves@TAZ.HYPERREAL.COM Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk the..."giggles joke list", Kurt? i never knew. i just figured you for a pissy old man. ;) From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 09:40:10 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA10638; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:40:10 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA10633; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 09:40:07 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA28926 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 12:40:07 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 12:41:04 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950215124104.20a092a2@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: Just Wait Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >As far as I am concerned, MDEA is one of the cleanest one. My brother takes >an average of 15 gramms (15 000 milli grams) of E >per year and has no problems. ...yet Jesus Wept Miles From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 10:08:39 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA12704; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:08:39 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA12698; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:08:36 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA00242 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 13:08:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 13:09:34 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950215130934.20a092a2@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: re-Testosterones Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Waaa, waa I'm so insulted. I'm too much of a pussy for things like that. Whimper, whimper. My mommy says that's naughty...and..and..testosterones are a good thing to have. Next time you post jokes like that..I'm goona... um..um..I'm gonna tell my daddy...and..he's gonna..uh..beat your daddy up. Chill out Amy. Take a joke. We have a saying around here at work. "If he/she can't take a joke, fuck 'em" Miles From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 10:45:17 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA15943; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:45:17 -0800 Received: from home.interaccess.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA15937; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 10:45:15 -0800 Received: from [198.80.1.211] (nb-dyna111.interaccess.com [198.80.1.211]) by home.interaccess.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA10167 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 12:45:24 -0600 Message-Id: <199502151845.MAA10167@home.interaccess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 12:47:56 +0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: adamgold@interaccess.com (Adam Goldstein) Subject: Re: re-Testosterones Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk today miles said this: >Waaa, waa >I'm so insulted. I'm too much of a pussy for things like that. Whimper, >whimper. My mommy says that's naughty...and..and..testosterones are >a good thing to have. Next time you post jokes like that..I'm goona... >um..um..I'm gonna tell my daddy...and..he's gonna..uh..beat your daddy up. > >Chill out Amy. >Take a joke. > >We have a saying around here at work. >"If he/she can't take a joke, fuck 'em" > >Miles you're too much of a pussy? oh wait! you were being SARCASTIC! That was like....you pretending that you were offended, like Amy was! and, like...you were deliberately using offensive words that you knew would offend her even further! wow, that's cool! Adam<-----trying out sarcasm, and realizing he doesn't like it From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 12:26:04 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA22744; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 12:26:04 -0800 Received: from aug1 by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA22726; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 12:25:50 -0800 Received: from [141.224.192.154] by aug1 (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA17921; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 14:23:45 +0600 Message-Id: <9502152023.AA17921@aug1> X-Sender: allen@aug1.augsburg.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:34:58 +1200 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) Subject: Re:Alcahol/Self determination content-length: 2576 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk miles: > I am of the belief that people come from all shapes and sizes, many different >cultures and religions. I myself have the strength to endure and the wisdom to >know that there may exist people who do not have the same and I will try to >protect those weaker than myself. One day, I may need them. > So think of laws limiting accesibilty to alcohol as one way in which >death and violence can be CURBED. No one, I hope, is stupid enough to believe >that this is a panacea ( a cure-all) for much deeper problems. > > > In addition, for those of you who have bothered to read this far, once you >start claiming that you have all of the answers to societies ill is when you >stop growing and learning. In 20 years when you are much more wise, you >opinions and perspectives WILL change. Ask a parent on their views on alcohol. It is a very simply deduced fact that alcahol DOES NOT cause violence inherently, nor that laws restricting it will inherently sove any problems associated with it : look at the culture of Europe; I'm sure Bambi can offer some support for my experiences there. Specificaly, I have spent a lot of time in Germany and around German ppl and culture. Alchahol is more of an accepted substance within German and European cultre, and statistically, culturally, they have FAR FAR less problems with it than we do in the U.S. Young ppl are not chastened or frightened into abstaining from it; it is a beverage, and because there are no 'taboos' associated with it, young ppl (who become old ppl) do not consider it a 'rebelous' or cool thing to get completly shit faced- you do not see ppl doing beer bongs anywhere in Europe. Because it is consumed in moderation and realisticly, most Europeans know and understand not to drink and drive. Our country was built upon a puritanical, noncomformist protestant belief system that stressed abstinence, intolerance, and guilt-induced norms, which still to this day unconciously influence us born and raised in this society- We have insecurities and reactive problems that are alien to cultures that accept human nature. Compare America's levels of illegitamte pregnacies, abortions, drug abuse (abuse,not use), alcahol-related problems, violence with those of a country like Holland,or Denmark where sex, drugs,and alcahol are not vilified and tied into moral issues. Ask MY parents about Alcahol and they will tell you that Prohibiton in the 20's was instigated as part of a deliberate anti-German-immigrant movement in this country. Nuff said. - Para From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 12:34:43 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA23309; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 12:34:43 -0800 Received: from earth.execpc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA23302; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 12:34:40 -0800 Received: (from danimal@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA01442; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 14:32:23 -0600 From: Daniel Wenders Message-Id: <199502152032.OAA01442@earth.execpc.com> Subject: Re: 100 ways to keep your Testoster To: vibe@mm.com (amy m. cielinski) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 14:32:22 -0600 (CST) Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "amy m. cielinski" at Feb 15, 95 09:59:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 807 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ONce again the anal retintive people at at the MW-Raves list have spoken. With those people are the ones with no sense of humor and people who can not laugh at themselves. True it was sexist and woman bashing but there are meno out there like it or not. If you thought the post of this message was serious that this was the way to treat women then you should considerate it again. Of course we can NEVER NEVER look at the bad side of such things. That would be terrible. (for those of you who are sarcasm prone those two lines were sarcasm.) Anyways reading about Raves and everything about raves 24hr a day 7 days a week 365 days a year gets rather boring. We need a little break such as irrelevant posting to break up the monotony. Now where is that list of dumb blonde jokes......... From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 12:45:52 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA24068; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 12:45:52 -0800 Received: from tigerden.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA24063; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 12:45:46 -0800 Received: by tigerden.com id AA04698 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:46:15 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:46:14 -0500 (EST) From: "D.A.C. Crowell" To: Daniel Wenders Cc: "amy m. cielinski" , mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: 100 ways to keep your Testoster In-Reply-To: <199502152032.OAA01442@earth.execpc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 15 Feb 1995, Daniel Wenders wrote: > ONce again the anal retintive people at at the MW-Raves list have > spoken. With those people are the ones with no sense of humor and people > who can not laugh at themselves. True it was sexist and woman bashing > but there are meno out there like it or not. Still doesn't make it any less cheap and trashy. And unwarranted. > If you thought the post of > this message was serious that this was the way to treat women then you > should considerate it again. Well, if we're into non-serious forms of denigrating people, why not let's all get into some Stepin Fetchit jokes here? "Oh, dem Darktown struttahs ball, doo-dah, doo-dah...". So tell me, what _is_ the difference between something sexist and something racist? Not much, methinks...they're both devisive and not something that belongs here. But I guess it's okay to put down women and not blacks, latinos, jews, asians, indians, or what-have-you...right? > Anyways reading about Raves and everything about raves 24hr a day 7 days > a week 365 days a year gets rather boring. We need a little break such > as irrelevant posting to break up the monotony. Then maybe you should subscribe to some other list. This list is about raves and the rave scene in the midwest. As such, it tends to be a bit monothematic. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\ "We have come to the edge of a world which D.A.C. Crowell |offers us the limits of the accessible, of the Audio Design and Programming |unpredictable; it must be possible for some- The Aerodyne Works |thing not of this world to find a way through, Champaign, IL, USA. |something that hitherto could not be found by dacc@tigerden.com |any radio station on this earth. Let us set <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>/ out to look for it!" --Karlheinz Stockhausen From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 13:04:24 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA26631; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 13:04:24 -0800 Received: from emunix.emich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA26626; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 13:04:21 -0800 Received: by emunix.emich.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA14085; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:07:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:07:02 -0500 (EST) From: Mark Buswink To: Mid-West Raves mailing list Subject: PULSE net-raver discount Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anyone planning to attend PULSE (detroit - 2/18) wishing a discount needs to send me email by 2pm friday. peace, mark ---------------------------------------------------- Temporary email address for: Alternate Universe (Bryan "DJ elroy" Mellberg) 313.507.8487 From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 13:16:07 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA28108; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 13:16:07 -0800 Received: from gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA27213; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 13:12:23 -0800 Received: by gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU (931110.SGI/921111.SGI.AUTO) for mw-raves@hyperreal.com id AA07129; Wed, 15 Feb 95 12:42:47 -0600 From: "Mark Bowen" Message-Id: <9502151242.ZM7127@gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 12:42:40 -0600 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: non-rave poem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Here yall. This has nothing to do with rave either but at least it doesn't offend anyone (or does it) "This Be The Verse" by Philip Larkin They fuck you up, your mum and dad. They may not mean to but they do. They fill you with the faults they had And add some extra, just for you. But they were fucked up in their turn By fools in old-style hats and coats, Who half the time were soppy-stern And half at one another's throats. Man hands on misery to man. It deepens like a coastal shelf. Get out as early as you can. And don't have any kids yourself. 1974 --- End of forwarded mail from cmarshik@casbah.acns.nwu.edu -- Mark Bowen mb@gettins.bche.uic.edu "Someday we'll walk on Venus Men will live on mars But we will still be monkeys Deep down inside " -Talking Heads From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 13:34:28 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA29371; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 13:34:28 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA29361; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 13:34:21 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA08519 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:34:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:35:20 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950215163520.20a092a2@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: More on Jokes Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey, I am of African American descent and I can laugh at black jokes just like any other. I suppose my sense of humor allows me to tell the difference between a joke and a slam. It depends on the context of the joke. It isn't funny comming from a Bigot but if a white friend of mine make s a bleck joke it was obviously not meant in a derogatory manner. Futhermore, I believe that these jokes are a good way to diffuse tention created by differences in our culture. There are many differnces between cultures and I see nothing wrong with poking fun at each other in a light hearted way. We're all friends here right. So lighten up already. I think Steppin' Fethcit is funny. Although in the context of the 40's, I believe, it might not have been humorous due to the constant efforts of the white controlled entertainment industry to keep blacks in their place. The industry at that time had a problem with presenting educated and intelligent African Americans at that time. Some older African Americans are still a bit bothered by what Steppin' Fetchit represents. Miles. From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 13:43:44 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA00103; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 13:43:44 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA29996; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 13:43:41 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id QAA08818 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:43:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:44:40 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950215164440.20a092a2@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: READ THIS AND VOTE !!!! Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk LET'S TAKE A VOTE. Eh? Those who wish that this list should be used exclusively and soley for the purpose of discussing RAVES. Send a note to me with only a << RAVES ONLY >> in the subject field. Those who want to use this list for a more open subject forum, but of course centering around raves and rave culture, send a note with only a << OPEN RAVES >> in the subject field. Since I am not the owner, of course I have no final say in the matter, but, this issue has come up before and I think it would be good think for all of us to know the result. I'll post the result in a week to give everyone a chance to vote. In order to keep ppl from voting twice, I'll write a program to check for address duplication, so don't even try it. From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 14:38:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA03948; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 14:38:19 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA03938; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 14:38:13 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by AC.GRIN.EDU (PMDF V4.3-9 #4381) id <01HN32BCWYU88Y6YQ2@AC.GRIN.EDU>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:25:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:25:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) Subject: one thing.... To: MW-RAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Message-id: <01HN32BCWYUA8Y6YQ2@AC.GRIN.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk Miles... shut up.. I love everybody dearly, but as of late (it seems to me) you have been clouding my mailbox with a bunch of needless crap about 1) alchol and 2) peopel lighteneing up....I think there is ad efintie contradiction in what you say about the jokes (some of which were humorous, and I do think people should relax a little, ut amy was right in expressing her disgruntlment) and what you say about alchol...basically...if you are just going to be a destructin, non-constructively adding nit-wit...go back to being a lurker or something...I dfon't have the time or the patience....thanks Anyway... I've gotten a lot of stuff back personally about Love Generator, and I'm glad that a lot pf people found the positive in the negative...I had fun, and so did a hell of a lot to you (oh yeah, this was my SECOND trip to st. louis, the first being for the ill fated DEEPER..strike two st. lou) I'll be seeing everyone at HEARTLAND (probably) and to the FUNTRK cru'; I'm SOOO stoked about our lil' louisville excursion....rekkids anyone? TIgger (g e n e r a t i n g l o v e . . . .but being a little harsh) From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 14:42:04 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA04305; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 14:42:04 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA04292; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 14:42:02 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0retpm-0000L5C; Wed, 15 Feb 95 18:12 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: re: voting(?) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 18:12:37 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 374 Forwarded message: ::From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com :: ::LET'S TAKE A VOTE. I don't think so. You want moderation? Go to a Usenet newsgroup. If you don't like the content, hit elete. This mailing list will not go into moderated mode, mainly because NONE of the people involved with keeping it going have the time, inclination or energy to do the task. - stevenJ From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 15:04:11 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA06164; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:04:11 -0800 Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA06158; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:04:08 -0800 From: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Message-Id: <199502152304.PAA06158@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8406; Wed, 15 Feb 95 17:02:39 CST Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 16:50:38 CST To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dear Miles(Mwest1@etcv01.eld.ford.com) First of all, you do not have the right to say what is derogatory or not in concern to African Americans. You can not speak for an entire race and especially those African Americans who grew up during those harsh times when Blacks were being shamefully exploited for a laugh. No white person should be making jokes like that unless they are very unsensitive to Black issues. I may be speaking for more than myself, but this list do not want to be bothered with your commentary outside of rave issues. There are other lists for that. If you do not want to contribute to the rave scene in a positive way, take your 2-cent opinions elsewhere..... Zheam, ausar@siucvmb.siu.edu From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 15:36:46 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA08707; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:36:46 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA08701; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:36:44 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502152336.PAA08701@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re:Alcahol/Self determination (fwd) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:36:44 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1588 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** A forward from Andrew. Watch your headers if you reply. REMEMBER, ** EMAIL TO THE LIST *DOES NOT* GO TO mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com!! From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:24:36 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950215162436.20a092a2@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: Re:Alcahol/Self determination Without sounding condescendin or so I'll try, I've never said that Alcohol is the cause of violence in America. You're obfuscating the point. The only point I've said is that Alcohol causes violence. I suppose it was a bad assumption to assume that you would understand that IT IS NOT THE ROOT OF VIOELNCE, and that it SERVES TO UNHINHIBIT PRE-EXISTING VIOLENT BEHAVIOUR. I figures you would give me the benefit of the doubt. Symantics is why we have lawyers I guess. I'll be more corefull in how I state things in the future. It doesn't pay, I guess, to assume that people know what you mean. Bottom line however, If you take a group of 20 people and place 10 of them in a room and 10 in another them give the first group of ten 5 units of alcohol each, the likeliness of vioelnce amongst them increases. This is a fact and that's all I meant to say. I think your just trying to be difficult. Your schpeil about Europen drinking habits I believe was a divergence. I think that I'm intelligent enough to realize that alcohol is not the root cause of violence. DUH! But thanks anyhow. Miles -- (c) 1995, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com Andrew's Page From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 15:37:13 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA08789; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:37:13 -0800 Received: from rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA08773; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 15:37:09 -0800 Received: by rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA17779; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 17:36:48 -0600 From: smmcfar@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Shannon M. Mcfarland) Message-Id: <9502152336.AA17779@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Subject: sexism... To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 17:36:46 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1042 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk All i have to say is for people who think they are so open minded and what not, that had to be the rudest post i have ever read in my life. Maybe to some of you sexism is a funny thing, but to some of us it is a problem we must face and battle everyday of our lifes!! I personally have not been to happy with many of the topics we have been discussing as of late, and i have bitten my tongue but this was the last straw!!!! It is people who promote this sort of garbage that has kept women down for hundreds of years, it is this sort of garbage that the civil rights movement tried to erase... It is fuuny how you think you may know someone, until something like this comes up... for those of you how thought this was funny i think you are a sexist!!! And for those of you who told Amy to chill out, to take a joke...this is not and will never be a joke... and i can see that mw-raves is not as open minded as everyone clames to be... I personally was truly offended by this sexist, narrow minded, macho bunch of bull shit!!!!!! shannon From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 16:08:37 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA11380; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:08:37 -0800 Received: from tyro.cc.purdue.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA11371; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:08:33 -0800 Received: from expert.cc.purdue.edu by tyro.cc.purdue.edu (8.6.9/Purdue_CC) id TAA18111; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 19:07:36 -0500 Received: by expert.cc.purdue.edu (5.61/Purdue_CC) id AA22086; Wed, 15 Feb 95 19:08:02 -0500 From: toddo@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Todd O'Boyle) Message-Id: <9502160008.AA22086@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Subject: Re: sexism... To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 19:08:00 EST Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello... well, now, we _certainly_ dont need a sexual war on mw-raves...ugh... I feel bad for anyone that the post offended..one reason being that it offeneded me VERY much and it made me almost vomit... Now, some people have different senses of humor...we are not all part of a "common" mind. Maybe people found it funny..I didnt, but I am not going to whine about it...that is what the "d" key is for (if you are an elm user).. All I am asking for is some common courtesy...please dont post if you think it _may_ offend someone or even hurt someone's feelings...it may be you that is hurt someday...:/ We need to try to really take others feelings in to consideration..the flames are really getting hot..*sizzle* I have friends that drink, I have friends that tell "men" jokes, I have friends that do many things...the word we need to acknowledge is RESPECT maybe you think I am talking crap...but that is for you to believe, and if you dont like my post then delete it...simple as that...:/ well, have a good day...:) -- 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 -----------> toddo@expert.cc.purdue.edu --------------------------> toddo@arbornet.org ---------------------> Todd O'Boyle --------> Purdue University ----------------------------------------> Pre-Communications 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~toddo/ From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 16:52:22 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA16008; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:52:22 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA15998; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:52:16 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA15454; Wed, 15 Feb 95 18:53:54 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id SAA09310; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 18:06:24 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12256; Wed, 15 Feb 95 18:08:09 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01808; Wed, 15 Feb 95 18:08:08 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502160008.AA01808@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: your mail To: THELME00@UKCC.UKY.EDU (tim) Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 18:08:08 CST Cc: mw-raves@TAZ.HYPERREAL.COM In-Reply-To: <199502151728.JAA09976@taz.hyperreal.com>; from "tim" at Feb 15, 95 11:39 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } the..."giggles joke list", Kurt? } i never knew. } i just figured you for a pissy old man. i'm only twenty :) if your the owner of my favorite pub then i'm twenty-one no really I swear! } ;) am I that much of a sour-pus? am I really all that bad? I though I just a very constructive debater - maybe even a semi-decent one at that :) so what is it: [ ] nice fellow to have around, good contributer [ ] old geezer who can't/won't accept changes be it negative be it positive ? --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 16:53:17 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA16088; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:53:17 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA16078; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:53:10 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA15581; Wed, 15 Feb 95 18:54:46 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id SAA11711; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 18:30:33 -0600 Received: from nwk126_ocachi by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13158; Wed, 15 Feb 95 18:32:19 CST Received: by nwk126_ocachi (NX5.67d/NX3.0S) id AA00378; Wed, 15 Feb 95 18:32:18 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 18:32:18 -0600 From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502160032.AA00378@nwk126_ocachi> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Our Community Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is a repost - I think its appropriate in terms of whats been going on in our community as of late - wow have I been on mw-raves for 2+ years now? yikes - sfraves on soda? mw on umich? ne at mit? anyhow enjoy and think about what this has to say i think its still appropriate even if it is a year and a half old. Begin forwarded message: Date: Fri, 17 Sep 93 22:56:38 -0500 From: vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) To: sfraves@soda.berkeley.edu Subject: Our Community Cc: ne-raves@gnu.ai.mit.edu, mw-raves@engin.umich.edu Where are our intentions going? what are we evolving into and why; and who as members of these list asserting ourselves as. What happens to families as time moves on and as the framilarity of each other and the common ground between the becomes defunct? How is it that they stay togther and not disentigrate with the passage of time. The topic of rave, techno, house, etc....are inherantly limited - and by limiting ourselves to these topics we are limiting the true potenitonal of our community. We are a community - by joining these lists your are a part of what goes on between us - we all have our peeves and hangups - likes and dislikes of the members of the lists but we have joined in a common ground. As a community we have the ability to learn, experince, and devlop ourselves as human beings. As a community we should not limit ourselves to discussions of one topic - when their is literally a whole world of information and stuff out there that thouches each and every one of our lives - and the needs to be disscussed, explored, expanded upon, learn. Rave is not only the party. For those of you who belive that rave is only for 8 hours a week on saturday night, you are missing the most beautiful point of rave. Rave is a philosophy, it takes the feeling of unity we experince in a vibe filled room - and shows us what the world could become - it becomes a part of our daily lives and (at least for me) has changed EVERY aspect of how I live, act, and treat others. It is nessecary to examine the everyday world within the context of the philosophy that we are forming - without that - rave dies - it is no longer something special - it is something to do, much like doing laundry. We here are the cutting edge - we have the potentioal to develop a new style of living - a new relationship with the world that can, and if done will utlimatley lead to the changing of social structure within the world. To achive these ends we mustn't limit ourselves - we mustn't stifle the potentoal we have - but rather examine and devlop our methods of thinking to better them, and better the world. Examine, and then act - working towards a vibe filled world cannot hurt - even if this community only touches one living soul into betterment then we have achived. this is us, this is now - here is the world - see it change - devlop + envelop it into you belive is correct. --Kurt P.S. Did you ever think you would see Rabin and Arrifat shake hands? I wept when I saw that - a beautiful moment - we have the ability to make more of these moments happen; we just have to try and move slowly - developing our philosophy and allowing it to touch those who surround us. From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 16:59:34 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA16407; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:59:34 -0800 Received: from relay3.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA16399; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 16:59:29 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQydgl08562; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 19:59:42 -0500 Received: from abennett by iglou.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0reuXe-0001zdC; Wed, 15 Feb 95 19:57 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: abennett@iglou.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 19:57:59 -0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) Subject: HERE YE! HERE YE! Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk It's in your best interest to read this entire message. If certain members of this list don't chill, I may have to become the mw-raves Dictator and take away posting privledges from some of you. I hate to stoop to that level, but as the list owner, I MUST look out for the best interests of the list. Lately, the interests don't look so hot. Wise up, or jump ship. This is the mw-raves list. It's scope covers aspects of raves (music, lights, crowd, vibe, promoters, drugs, dj's, musicians, spaces, etc) and should stick damn close to that. If you want other types of email, then there are hundreds of other email lists one can join, and thousands of usenet groups of various topics. I draw the line at childish, insensitive posts. Think before you send your email to 250+ subscribers. You are making impressions on us of how you are in real life. It is not my desire to become Dictator of mw-raves. It is not my desire to punt offending members off the list. If you don't catch my drift, then email me privately for some confirmation, and let me know what you don't understand. Andrew's Tips for Email Reading: 1) Read all your mail before replying (this ensure's you don't say what someone else has already said, and gives you time for #2) 2) *Think* before you write 3) Realize your audience, and anticipate their reaction to your email 4) In some instances, private email is better than public, list mail. 5) Coherent thought makes your posts easier to read We are all of an age where we can think, act, and hopefully write sensibly. I'm not sure just how young the youngest member of mw-raves is, but I can't imagine someone younger than high school (but then again, anything is possible). If you don't think correctly, don't assume I will read correctly when I see your post. Steve White said: >I don't think so. You want moderation? Go to a Usenet newsgroup. If >you don't like the content, hit elete. This mailing list will not >go into moderated mode, mainly because NONE of the people involved >with keeping it going have the time, inclination or energy to do the task. Right on, Steve. We can do moderation. It's not pretty, and your email will arrive in clumps as I find time to approve it all. This list won't go to a moderated mode. Nor will any other lists be created on hyperreal.com as some others have suggested. Lists conform to the ebb and flow of society. They all have their good times, and they all have their bad times. If you aren't willing to put up through the bad times, then one has no arguement for/against this list. This list is what *YOU* make it. Questions... Comments... Concerns? Private email. I want this to be the last or near the end on these topics. Thank you. Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk FRIDAY NIGHT-FEB 24TH: CLUB NOWHERE PRE-EVENT DJS-SCOTT HENRY(baltimore/ultraworld) CYBERJIVE(indy/elephantman) 720 north college ave indianapolis indiana cover= $5 *this will be a pre-event to HEARTLAND SATURDAY-FEB 25TH bring your sleeping bags and pillows CRASH/PRE-PARTY the owner of the club is going to let you kids crash here until we start the music back up before HEARTLAND:) #also... anyone goin' to FUK. JJ has also made it possible for you to crash then caravan up to indy for HEARTLAND:) we will then start the music up later in the evening/or when ever you kids want... with an open table format. SO DJ'S--- BRING YOUR RECORDS SATURDAY-NIGHT *H E A R T L A N D* SUNDAY FEB 26TH- the afterhours dj's have not be locked down yet. possible *surprise* guests but never-the-less we will have the afterhours at the club where the pre- party stuff happened that's all for now... net raver discount, directions, and all other info will be posted next week. till then... -doc From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 18:42:37 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id SAA23201; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 18:42:37 -0800 Received: from comp.uark.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA23190; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 18:42:32 -0800 Received: (from wgrubbs@localhost) by comp.uark.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA00575; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 20:42:30 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 20:42:29 -0600 (CST) From: "Wesley R. Grubbs" To: mw-raves@TAZ.HYPERREAL.COM Subject: raves? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk what about raves people...? Unity? Harmony? Huh? wand From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 19:30:46 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA26339; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 19:30:46 -0800 Received: from downburst.mm.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA26332; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 19:30:39 -0800 Received: from downburst.mm.com (vibe@downburst.mm.com [204.73.34.2]) by downburst.mm.com (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id VAA03058; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 21:35:38 -0600 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 21:35:37 -0600 (CST) From: "amy m. cielinski " To: "Shannon M. Mcfarland" cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: sexism... In-Reply-To: <9502152336.AA17779@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk OK...After getting home from work and seeing a day's worth of comments concerning MY comments I feel as though I should say something even though this issue has most likely come full circle. We all have our causes. We all have out soft spots. It has little to do with sense of humor. The force of words is an incredible one, interpretation an individual act. Whatever ambiguous light-heartedness that was supposedly intended in the "100 Ways..." post was obviously missed by more than me. MY interpretation, MY reaction. We are all not going to react the same to everything, so lets not expect people to react how we would. Enough said. Shakespeare said, "Suit the action to the word, the word to the action." -just a thought to ponder- Peace to all, Amy From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 19:51:32 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA27683; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 19:51:32 -0800 Received: from MAPLE.ucs.uwplatt.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA27667; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 19:51:26 -0800 From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #4908) id <01HN3DHA0JNA0A0E5A@uwplatt.edu>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 21:52:01 CST Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 21:52:01 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: re-Testosterones To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HN3DHA0JNC0A0E5A@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: MWRAVES MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>Waaa, waa >>I'm so insulted. I'm too much of a pussy for things like that. Whimper, >>whimper. My mommy says that's naughty...and..and..testosterones are >>a good thing to have. Next time you post jokes like that..I'm goona... >>um..um..I'm gonna tell my daddy...and..he's gonna..uh..beat your daddy up. >> >>Chill out Amy. >>Take a joke. >> >>We have a saying around here at work. >>"If he/she can't take a joke, fuck 'em" >> >>Miles > > >you're too much of a pussy? oh wait! you were being SARCASTIC! That was >like....you pretending that you were offended, like Amy was! and, >like...you were deliberately using offensive words that you knew would >offend her even further! wow, that's cool! Alright. We could blow up about this entire mess, and the strings would go on. Everyone hating everyone else, and a lot of posts that most of us aren't going to read anyways (I was just lucky that I even saw this. For some reason, I've been goin' really good with the delete key). Hell, I could blow up on people blowing up about the posts or the topics of conversation, but for what reason? All that's going to accomplish is people getting more annoyed, and everything will continue. We don't need this shit people, and nobody is going to change thier opinions on the things we've been rambling on about for almost a week now. Let's grow up and act like the adults that we are... Peace out, Ramylson p.s.-- Happiness isn't only a good this, it's healthy. :> ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke "If we were not here, material 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' events like the passage of the seasons 608.342.3196 would lack even the meager meanings Fun House Productions we are able to muster for them." --Annie Dillard-- ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 19:54:46 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA27828; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 19:54:46 -0800 Received: from MAPLE.ucs.uwplatt.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA27821; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 19:54:40 -0800 From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #4908) id <01HN3DB0M3NK0A0E5A@uwplatt.edu>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 21:45:44 CST Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 21:45:44 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: Alcahol/Self determination To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HN3DB0NZ6A0A0E5A@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: MWRAVES MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >most Europeans know and understand not to drink and drive. Remember though. In Europe, the "citations" are much, _MUCH_ more severe then in the states. Here, we just get a slape on the hand, and then everything is better.. Peace out, Ramylson ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke "If we were not here, material 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' events like the passage of the seasons 608.342.3196 would lack even the meager meanings Fun House Productions we are able to muster for them." --Annie Dillard-- ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 19:55:35 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA27877; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 19:55:35 -0800 Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA27872; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 19:55:32 -0800 From: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Message-Id: <199502160355.TAA27872@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0708; Wed, 15 Feb 95 21:54:03 CST Date: Wed, 15 Feb 95 21:44:21 CST To: so-deep@netcom.com, ausrave@student.adelaide.edu.au, idm@hyperreal.com, nw-raves@wimsey.bc.ca, breaks@xmission.com, mw-raves@hyperreal.com, dcraves@listserv.american.edu, ne-raves@umdd.umd.edu, sfraves@hyperreal.com, lowlands@xs4all.nl, socal-raves@UCSD.edu, 313@lazarus.uta.edu, PB-CLE-RAVES@Telerama.lm.com, uk-dance@tqmcomms.co.uk Subject: Premierian Estates .au samples Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello People, I've recently added some audio samples of "The Premierian Estates" at the hyperreal archive site for you to just check out and enjoy.... These .au files can be downloaded at http://hyperreal.com/incoming/sounds and the files are "heifer" "intdes" "mech" and "malcomxc" These are off of my new label Black Raven and I hope you enjoy the stuff we new breeds are doing over here in the Windy City... Peace, Love and Unity, ** Zheam (ausar@siucvmb.siu.edu)** From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 20:56:21 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA01008; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 20:56:21 -0800 Received: from MAPLE.ucs.uwplatt.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA00991; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 20:56:16 -0800 From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #4908) id <01HN3DPRX29O0A0E5A@uwplatt.edu>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 21:59:19 CST Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 21:59:19 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: one thing.... To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HN3DPRX29Q0A0E5A@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: MWRAVES MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I'll be seeing everyone at HEARTLAND (probably) and to the FUNTRK cru'; I'm >SOOO stoked about our lil' louisville excursion....rekkids anyone? That's right! Rikkid trip! I know, we could stop at all of the rekkid stores from Milwaukee to Louisville, and have bits of coffee with the mw-raves in the towns. Fun, oh fun! It will happen (just like the smoresextraviganza).. only from the minds of AT&T (and da dpn dj squad). Also, there'll be another Wiley's Cafe happening soon with a lot of folks off of the net. I'll keep everyone posted as things develope. WoOWOo! Peace out, Ramylson (dpn.member#002) ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke "If we were not here, material 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' events like the passage of the seasons 608.342.3196 would lack even the meager meanings Fun House Productions we are able to muster for them." --Annie Dillard-- ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 22:46:34 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id WAA06267; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 22:46:34 -0800 Received: from earth.execpc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA06262; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 22:46:30 -0800 From: danimal@earth.execpc.com Received: from 204.29.202.122 (titania.execpc.com [204.29.202.122]) by earth.execpc.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA20556; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 00:44:29 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 00:44:29 -0600 Message-Id: <199502160644.AAA20556@earth.execpc.com> Subject: Re: sexism... To: toddo@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Todd O'Boyle), mw-raves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk <---- Begin Included Message ----> All I am asking for is some common courtesy...please dont post if you think it _may_ offend someone or even hurt someone's feelings...it may be you that is hurt someday...:/ <---- End Included Message ----> Then why should we post anything? If then fact that I am sending yout this message could offend you or offend someone else on the list. No matter what you do no matter what you say you say your going to offend someone. "Gee I don't know if I should send this post.. So and so will be offended by this post even though 100 other people will like it." that is a bunch of bullshit. DTW __ Copywrite 1994 D.T.W. Corp All rights and lefts reserved. Danimal@earth.execpc.com Web Page Http://www.execpc.com/~danimal/dtwcorp/dtwcorp.html Oh Goody! My Alludium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator! A Dream is but a fleeting moment, but a dream about you is Eternal. If your Parents never had sex chances are you won't either. From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 22:54:39 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id WAA06551; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 22:54:39 -0800 Received: from earth.execpc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA06546; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 22:54:37 -0800 From: danimal@earth.execpc.com Received: from 204.29.202.122 (titania.execpc.com [204.29.202.122]) by earth.execpc.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA21315; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 00:52:45 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 00:52:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199502160652.AAA21315@earth.execpc.com> Subject: Re: sexism... To: smmcfar@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Shannon M. Mcfarland), mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just hink everybody is going over the edge on it. I think everybody is missing the whole point of the joke... __ Copywrite 1994 D.T.W. Corp All rights and lefts reserved. Danimal@earth.execpc.com Web Page Http://www.execpc.com/~danimal/dtwcorp/dtwcorp.html Oh Goody! My Alludium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator! A Dream is but a fleeting moment, but a dream about you is Eternal. If your Parents never had sex chances are you won't either. From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 22:57:09 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id WAA06680; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 22:57:09 -0800 Received: from earth.execpc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA06673; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 22:57:06 -0800 From: danimal@earth.execpc.com Received: from 204.29.202.122 (titania.execpc.com [204.29.202.122]) by earth.execpc.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA21584 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 00:55:14 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 00:55:14 -0600 Message-Id: <199502160655.AAA21584@earth.execpc.com> Subject: Rita Rudner is a SEXIST?? GASP! To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thought you might like this. ---------- Rita Rudner's "Guy Guide": 50 facts about men. 1. Men like to barbecue. Men will cook if danger is involved. 2. Men who have pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought jewelry. 3. If you buy your husband or boyfriend a video camera, for the first few weeks he has it, lock the door when you go to the bathroom. Most of my husband's early films end with a scream and a flush. 4. Be careful of men who are bald and rich; the arrogance of "rich" usually cancels out the nice of "bald." 5. Marrying a divorced man is ecologically responsible. In a world where there are more women than men, it pays to recycle. 6. Men are very confident people. My husband is so confident that when he watches sports on television, he thinks that if he concentrates he can help his team. If the team is in trouble, he coaches the players from our living room, and if they're really in trouble, I have to get off the phone in case they call him. 7. If it's attention you want, don't get involved with a man during the play-offs. 8. Men like phones with lots of buttons. It makes them feel important. 9. Men love to be the first to read the newspaper in the morning. Not being the first is upsetting to their psyches. 10. All men look nerdy in black socks and sandals. 11. The way a man looks at himself in a mirror will tell you if he can ever care about anyone else. 12. Don't try to teach men how to do anything in public. They can learn in private; in public they have to know. 13. Men who are going bald often wear baseball caps. 14. All men are afraid of eyelash curlers. I sleep with one under my pillow, instead of a gun. 15. A good place to meet a man is at the dry cleaner. These men usually have jobs and bathe. 16. Men love watches with multiple functions. My husband has one that is a combination address book, telescope and piano. 17. All men hate to hear "We need to talk about our relationship." These seven words strike fear in the heart of even General Schwarzkopf. 18. Men are sensitive in strange ways. If a man has built a fire and the last log does not burn, he will take it personally. 19. Men are brave enough to go to war, but they are not brave enough to get a bikini wax. 20. All men think that they're nice guys. Some of them are not. Contact me for a list of names. 21. Men don't get cellulite. God might just be a man. 22. Men have an easier time buying bathing suits. Women have two types: depressing and more depressing. Men have two types: nerdy and not nerdy. 23. Men have higher body temperatures than women. If your heating goes out in winter, I recommend sleeping next to a man. Men are like portable heaters that snore. 24. Women take clothing much more seriously than men. I've never seen a man walk into a party and say "Oh, my God, I'm so embarrassed; get me out of here. There's another man wearing a black tuxedo." 25. Most men hate to shop. That's why the men's department is usually on the first floor of a department store, two inches from the door. 26. If a man prepares dinner for you and the salad contains three or more types of lettuce, he is serious. 27. If you're dating a man who you think might be "Mr. Right," if he a) got older, b) got a new job, or c) visited a psychiatrist, you are in for a nasty surprise. The cocoon-to-butterfly theory only works on cocoons and butterflies. 28. Men own basketball teams. Every year cheerleaders' outfits get tighter and briefer, and players' shorts get baggier and longer. 29. No man is charming all of the time. Even Cary Grant is on record saying he wished he could be Cary Grant. 30. When four or more men get together, they talk about sports. 31. When four or more women get together, they talk about men. 32. Not one man in a beer commercial has a beer belly. 33. Men are less sentimental than women. No man has ever seen the movie THE WAY WE WERE twice, voluntarily. 34. Most women are introspective: "Am I in love? Am I emotionally and creatively fulfilled?" Most men are outrospective: "Did my team win? How's my car?" 35. If a man says, "I'll call you," and he doesn't, he didn't forget...he didn't lose your number...he didn't die. He just didn't want to call you. 36. Men hate to lose. I once beat my husband at tennis. I asked him, "Are we going to have sex again?" He said, "Yes, but not with each other." 37. Men who can eat anything they want and not gain weight should do it out of sight of women. 38. Getting rid of a man without hurting his masculinity is a problem. "Get out" and "I never want to see you again" might sound like a challenge. If you want to get rid of a man, I suggest saying, "I love you...I want to marry you...I want to have your children." Sometimes they leave skid marks. 39. Men accept compliments much better than women do. Example: "Mitch, you look great." Mitch:"Thanks." On the other side:"Ruth, you look great." Ruth: "I do? Must be the lighting." 40. Impulse buying is not macho. Men rarely call the Home Shopping Network. 41. Men who listen to classical music tend not to spit. 42. Only men who have worn a ski suit understand how complicated it is for a woman to go to the bathroom when she's wearing a jumpsuit. 43. Men don't feel the urge to get married as quickly as women do because their clothes all button and zip in the front. Women's dresses usually button and zip in the back. We need men emotionally and sexually, but we also need men to help us get dressed. 44. Men are self-confident because they grow up identifying with superheros. Women have bad self-images because they grow up identifying with Barbie. 45. When a woman tries on clothing from her closet that feels tight, she will assume she has gained weight. When a man tries something from his closet that feels tight, he will assume the clothing has shrunk. 46. Male menopause is a lot more fun than female menopause. With female menopause you gain weight and get hot flashes. Male menopause - you get to date young girls and drive motorcycles. 47. Men forget everything; women remember everything. 48. That's why men need instant replays in sports. They've already forgotten what happened. 49. Men would like monogamy better if it sounded less like monotony. 50. All men would still really like to own a train set. __ Copywrite 1994 D.T.W. Corp All rights and lefts reserved. Danimal@earth.execpc.com Web Page Http://www.execpc.com/~danimal/dtwcorp/dtwcorp.html Oh Goody! My Alludium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator! A Dream is but a fleeting moment, but a dream about you is Eternal. If your Parents never had sex chances are you won't either. From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 15 23:06:48 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id XAA07298; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 23:06:48 -0800 Received: from earth.execpc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA07292; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 23:06:45 -0800 From: danimal@earth.execpc.com Received: from 204.29.202.122 (titania.execpc.com [204.29.202.122]) by earth.execpc.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA22300; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 01:04:41 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 01:04:41 -0600 Message-Id: <199502160704.BAA22300@earth.execpc.com> Subject: Re: sexism... To: "amy m. cielinski " , MW-raves@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk <---- Begin Included Message ----> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 21:35:37 -0600 (CST) From: "amy m. cielinski " Reply-To: <9502152336.AA17779@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Subject: Re: sexism... To: "Shannon M. Mcfarland" OK...After getting home from work and seeing a day's worth of comments concerning MY comments I feel as though I should say something even though this issue has most likely come full circle. We all have our causes. We all have out soft spots. It has little to do with sense of humor. The force of words is an incredible one, interpretation an individual act. Whatever ambiguous light-heartedness that was supposedly intended in the "100 Ways..." post was obviously missed by more than me. MY interpretation, MY reaction. We are all not going to react the same to everything, so lets not expect people to react how we would. Enough said. Shakespeare said, "Suit the action to the word, the word to the action." -just a thought to ponder- Peace to all, Amy <---- End Included Message ----> EXACTLY!!!! Everybody is clammoring about here saying I, I, I, Me, Me, Me. Only thinking of themselves.. never thinking of the poster, Only thinking their interpetation is the ONLY one. That why people should chill, read it again THINK about who sent it, the context in which it was written. That is very correct. What you think is funny I may think is stupid. Humor is relative. PLUS who said you had to read the message? If you did read the message I but you said "oh this is gross" "This is sick!!!" but yet I bet you read all 100 statements.. now who fault is that? DTW __ Copywrite 1994 D.T.W. Corp All rights and lefts reserved. Danimal@earth.execpc.com Web Page Http://www.execpc.com/~danimal/dtwcorp/dtwcorp.html Oh Goody! My Alludium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator! A Dream is but a fleeting moment, but a dream about you is Eternal. If your Parents never had sex chances are you won't either. From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 00:12:29 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id AAA10500; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 00:12:29 -0800 Received: from corn.cso.niu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA10493; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 00:12:25 -0800 Received: by corn.cso.niu.edu id AA02703 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for MW Raves Mailinglist ); Thu, 16 Feb 1995 02:12:31 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 02:12:31 -0600 (CST) From: Sung Shim Subject: mixing digital To: MW Raves Mailinglist Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, I've gotten quite a huge collection of music the past few years, all of it on compact discs. Not owning a table, and starting with cd players I started buying cds, and this was before I got into raves and really understanding the things djs can do with music. Looking back, I think it might have been better to have started buying vinyl, but then again, with the amount of time i spend listening to music, those records probably wouldn't have survived long. The question I had was does anyone use digital mixers? I'd like to know some info on it, maybe help me get set up.. mainly for my pleasure and those of my friends, but who knows. I think with the supplement of a friend's table and vinyl collection, and with the tunes I love on cd, I could be very happy. sung - -- (mRay) z943159@corn.cso.niu.edu From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 02:09:57 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id CAA14489; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 02:09:57 -0800 Received: from tigerden.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id CAA14483; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 02:09:53 -0800 Received: by tigerden.com id AA03760 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for MW Raves Mailinglist ); Thu, 16 Feb 1995 05:09:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 05:09:49 -0500 (EST) From: "D.A.C. Crowell" To: Sung Shim Cc: MW Raves Mailinglist Subject: Re: mixing digital In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Feb 1995, Sung Shim wrote: > Well, I've gotten quite a huge collection of music the past few > years, all of it on compact discs. Not owning a table, and starting with > cd players I started buying cds, and this was before I got into raves and > really understanding the things djs can do with music. Looking back, I > think it might have been better to have started buying vinyl, but then > again, with the amount of time i spend listening to music, those records > probably wouldn't have survived long. The question I had was does anyone > use digital mixers? By these, I figure you mean mixers that work in the digital domain...anything from Yamaha's ProMix system up to a Neve Audiofile. Pretty much _all_ of these are expensive as opposed to a regular DJ mixer, and not nearly as responsive when doing a mix from the typical sources. I _do_ do some "mixing" in digital here, but what I use is Digidesign's Sound Tools II...which is nowhere approaching the sort of "real-time" mixing one finds in rave/techno/what-have-you. The reason for using vinyl has little to do with the audio quality. It has more to do with the ability to physically manipulate the music on the 12" (or whatever) in terms of beat positioning, tempo, etc. Very few CD players allow for this, save for some DJ-grade units made by Denon, Stanton, and a couple other companies. However, none of these compare in manipulatability (?) to actual vinyl playback systems. There are DJs who do use CDs, natch...I've even done it when I was doing some spinning a few years back...but the common wisdom is that you can't be exacting enough with a CD. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\ "We have come to the edge of a world which D.A.C. Crowell |offers us the limits of the accessible, of the Audio Design and Programming |unpredictable; it must be possible for some- The Aerodyne Works |thing not of this world to find a way through, Champaign, IL, USA. |something that hitherto could not be found by dacc@tigerden.com |any radio station on this earth. Let us set <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>/ out to look for it!" --Karlheinz Stockhausen From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 06:55:28 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id GAA25340; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 06:55:28 -0800 Received: from grfn.ORG by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA25334; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 06:55:25 -0800 Received: from freenet.grfn.org by grfn.ORG (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1) id JAA08468; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 09:54:09 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 09:54:07 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan Hines To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Rita Rudner is a SEXIST?? GASP! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ok, ppl.... I've been looking at these posts on sexism and am left here shaking my head... i realize that these posts (the original testosterone one, and the rita rudner one) *can* be offensive to ppl, but you have to realize the sentiment behind them. These were obviously not *intended* to offend people...i don't think we have ppl on mw-raves like that (think being the operative word here) the fact is, being a white male, *I* am subject to a lot of stereotypes....and being 16 just adds a few more..... ppl actually think/assume that i'm a beer-loving, football watching, macho-as-hell sex fiend. (as was stated in the rita rudner post) and i'm not....but i can take posts like the rudner one, and i think that's what we need to do...take posts like that in stride. The "joke" in the original Testosterone post, i think, was how sad it is that there are actually ppl like that out there....*NOT* that it's funny to do shit like that.....because *IT IS NOT*. c'mon, ppl.....let's get together.... being at each others' throats all o' the time doesn't do shit ('cept for bring everybody down) my $.02 ryan. <---wanna-be peacemaker tr909@grfn.org From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 08:21:14 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA29594; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 08:21:14 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA29575; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 08:21:07 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA09865; Thu, 16 Feb 95 10:22:40 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id KAA02567; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 10:18:28 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13371; Thu, 16 Feb 95 10:20:12 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03176; Thu, 16 Feb 95 10:20:12 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502161620.AA03176@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: Rita Rudner is a SEXIST?? GASP! To: tr909@grfn.ORG (Ryan Hines) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 95 10:20:12 CST Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: ; from "Ryan Hines" at Feb 16, 95 9:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } } ok, ppl.... } I've been looking at these posts on sexism and am left here shaking my } head... } this hits into the PLUR concept - to truley embrace plur you must accept other folks' viewpoints - if they are right or wrong isn't the issue - the issue is in your own ability to accept the differences between yourself and others... as soon as our culture stops doing all of this labeling stuff, and trying to pretend that everyone (all cultures, races, sexes, ages, food preferences, etc etc) is equal, and the sooner we realize every type of person has their own abilities that they can indeed perform better than others, the sooner we accept the differences and so on, the better our culture would be that is the spirit of plur really is acceptance (plar) - so men are woman haters, some women are man haters - no their views are not correct for my particular world view - but for their own - they may very well be - but as always we need those people - we need them to realize whats wrong about their world view and to shape our own. If everybody was exactly the same nothing would happen. There would be no need for anything to happen because every one has the same world view. In their departure from your belief you learn about your own. Now you may say - well if you belive in acceptance, why do you post? whats the point of replying to anything? well the point is this, when you post and express your ideas, and force yourself to think trough it all a touch, then you not only give your view to the world, but you give it to yourself too. The wrong thing to say is something like "what planet have you been living on man? thats the dumbest thing I ever heard" or something along those lines where you just reject a concept without respecting the previous posters view point. } the fact is, being a white male, *I* am subject to a lot of } stereotypes....and being 16 just adds a few more..... steroytypes are being perpetualted by the way our culture works - by the way we still don't accept the differences between peoples but make an issue out of them. Ideally instead of being a 16 year old white male you would be you. plain and simple - no racial no gendral labels at all, you would just be you - this can be achived here - where it doesn't matter at all what *type* of person you are - just how you use your mind and how you express your thoughts and what are in those thoughts.. what upsets me the most about being a white american male is that I cannot be proud of that - there isn't a day or a week or what have you which celebrates my culture and my heritage (like african-american history month which is good don't get me wrong I think its good to have that month but I think there should also be the same for european-americans) or anything like that at all - there is no sense of pride in being a white american male (or at least society tells us that) and I think thats wrong - you should take pride in your self and your heritage (ethnically i'm, 100% romanian but I consider my self to be an american not romaninan simply because I grew up in americas culture not romainas), in the chicago-tribune there is a section called "womens-news" dealing with womens issues - but if there were a call for a "mens-news" there would be out cry and people screaming sexism! sexism! why is that? I don't quite understand... } the original Testosterone post, i think, was how sad it is that there are } actually ppl like that out there....*NOT* that it's funny to do shit like } that.....because *IT IS NOT*. its funny in its ridiculousness (both posts) I don't know one person who would ever think along those lines seriously. And I really can't believe that there is - I grew up in a farm town (dexter, mi) and people their wern't even like that....its funny in its ridiculosness... 14. All men are afraid of eyelash curlers. I sleep with one under my pillow, instead of a gun. or 17 If, GOD FORBID, you have to talk to a girl on the phone, use only monosyllabic words and noises. Bodily noises are permissible. do you know anyone who thinks like this? I sure don't } } c'mon, ppl.....let's get together.... } :) *HUG* } being at each others' throats all o' the time doesn't do shit ('cept for } bring everybody down) right - disagrement is good - discussion with differing view points is good but flame wars and name calling are bad. --Kurt "midnight rambler" osis -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 08:49:20 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA01099; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 08:49:20 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA01094; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 08:49:18 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0rfAo3-0000L6C; Thu, 16 Feb 95 12:19 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: end of a thread To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 12:19:58 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 627 Here's something to consider regarding what Amy posted about what has been flying around here, of late. It's in my .plan on my alpha1 account: "The only difference between the expression of an opinion and an incitement in the narrower sense is the speaker's enthusiasm for the result. Eloquence may set fire to reason." - Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, U.S. Supreme Court, 1925, dissenting on Gitlow v. NY over the Constitutionality of the New York Criminal (Anarchy) Act of 1902 t r a n c e l e m e n t a l i s t t h o u g h t a subsidiary of kharmachanic industries stevenJ --- emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 08:55:45 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA01533; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 08:55:45 -0800 Received: from grfn.ORG by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA01518; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 08:55:28 -0800 Received: from freenet.grfn.org by grfn.ORG (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1) id LAA15210; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 11:54:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 11:54:00 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan Hines To: Kurt Vile cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Rita Rudner is a SEXIST?? GASP! In-Reply-To: <9502161620.AA03176@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Feb 1995, Kurt Vile wrote: > } the original Testosterone post, i think, was how sad it is that there are > } actually ppl like that out there....*NOT* that it's funny to do shit like > } that.....because *IT IS NOT*. > its funny in its ridiculousness (both posts) I don't know one person who > would ever think along those lines seriously. And I really can't believe > that there is - I grew up in a farm town (dexter, mi) and people their wern't > even like that....its funny in its ridiculosness... I'm living in farm country in Michigan (Parma, if you can locate that :) right now...and...as much as i hate to say it, there *are* people who think along those lines here. Of course, they don't think exactly like that, or consciously d all of these things...but they *do* do some of those things...enough where it is *very* bothersome. Sometimes, i can relate to the footballplayer sports ppl, because they can be cool occasionally...but it seems like this only happens when a mutual friend (rare) has a party or something and they get fucked up and their guard is down...they're not hell bent on being "hard." > 14. All men are afraid of eyelash curlers. I sleep with one under my > pillow, instead of a gun. > obviously, ppl don't think like this =) > or > > 17 If, GOD FORBID, you have to talk to a girl on the phone, use only > monosyllabic words and noises. Bodily noises are permissible. > no, but the idea is in their head. > do you know anyone who thinks like this? I sure don't fortunately, no...but the locals (around here) aren't far off...:( ryan. tr909@grfn.org (in the midst of cornfields) From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 08:58:47 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA01728; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 08:58:47 -0800 Received: from rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA01717; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 08:58:44 -0800 Received: by rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA140087; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 10:57:49 -0600 From: smmcfar@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Shannon M. Mcfarland) Message-Id: <9502161657.AA140087@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Subject: Re: Rita Rudner is a SEXIST?? GASP! To: danimal@earth.execpc.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 10:57:49 -0600 (CST) Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199502160655.AAA21584@earth.execpc.com> from "danimal@earth.execpc.com" at Feb 16, 95 00:55:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 135 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I personally did not find this funny I don't find things like this where race, sex, gender , and what not are made fun of... shannon From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 10:27:08 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA07009; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 10:27:08 -0800 Received: from UKCC.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA06997; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 10:27:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199502161827.KAA06997@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from UKCC.UKY.EDU by UKCC.uky.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4019; Thu, 16 Feb 95 13:26:13 EST Received: from ukcc.uky.edu (NJE origin THELME00@UKCC) by UKCC.UKY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8218; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 12:55:13 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 95 12:51:37 EST From: tim Subject: "obviously, people don't think like this..." re eyelashes To: mw-raves@TAZ.HYPERREAL.COM Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk whooooboy...i don't know there, Ryan... those things are pretty damned scary-lookin'. i mean, eek! probably brought to us by the same benefactors that invented the EPILADY! there are some tools women use that i don't even like to THINK about having anywhere NEAR my body. i'd say that eyelash curlers fit in that category. for some strange reason, unbeknownst to me, they frighten me. and many other men i know. maybe they were invented as a torture device for the Inquisition and the ladies of the day just thought there might be some other use for them. ya know like one of those "species subconscious" sorta things... From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 10:45:03 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA08215; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 10:45:03 -0800 Received: from london.physics.purdue.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA08209; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 10:45:00 -0800 Received: from london.physics.purdue.edu (sho@localhost) by london.physics.purdue.edu (8.6.8.1/3.0-LD) id NAA28331; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 13:44:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199502161844.NAA28331@london.physics.purdue.edu> From: Sho Kuwamoto Subject: on men, women, and andrew, among other things. To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com (midwest raves mailing list) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 13:44:38 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 993 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk *sigh* I didn't want to jump into this whole thing, but here I go. (a) I see why some people took offense at the original post. It was probably not appropriate for this group, and not the most sensitive thing. (b) I think the intent of the list was not to poke fun at women, but to poke fun at men. It was one of those "100 reasons why men are idiots" lists... I didn't read the entire list, though.. I just deleted it and moved on.. (hint :) (c) As far as off-topic conversations go, there isn't a lot we can do to change human nature. We can remind people that mw-raves is a list which has a charter, but we should realize that these kinds of things are going to happen from time to time. No need to worry about moderation yet, andrew.. :) -Sho -- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm having for lunch! Sho Kuwamoto. From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 11:12:47 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA09745; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 11:12:47 -0800 Received: from MAPLE.ucs.uwplatt.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA09731; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 11:12:43 -0800 From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #4908) id <01HN39V449DC0A0L9B@uwplatt.edu>; Wed, 15 Feb 1995 20:03:32 CST Date: Wed, 15 Feb 1995 20:03:32 -0600 (CST) Subject: test. Delete. To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HN39V45LLU0A0L9B@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: MWRAVES MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Bricks make good after dinner drinks. ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke "If we were not here, material 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' events like the passage of the seasons 608.342.3196 would lack even the meager meanings Fun House Productions we are able to muster for them." --Annie Dillard-- ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 12:03:32 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA12743; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 12:03:32 -0800 Received: from rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA12735; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 12:03:28 -0800 Received: by rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA151515; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:03:06 -0600 From: smmcfar@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Shannon M. Mcfarland) Message-Id: <9502162003.AA151515@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Subject: sorry To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:03:06 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 726 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk everyone let me say that if my post offended you i am sorry!! But this is the one place i thought i was safe from sexism. can you understand that??? I thought we were all open minded and intelligent enough not to have to deal with crap like this. For me sexism is something i must deal with, unless you are a female you will never know what it is like to have a man not look at you in your eyes but rather at your chest... I must admit i can take a joke just like the rest of us, but this was in poor taste, ya know???? And i didn't want to lump you all into those "few lunatics" that sent it or found it funny, so please accept my apology... and why is it that e mail or elm has no spell check, i know i need it=) shannon From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 13:42:24 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA19450; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 13:42:24 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA19436; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 13:42:20 -0800 From: MaxximumSL@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA10652; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 16:41:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 16:41:49 -0500 Message-Id: <950216163157_23544516@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: offended by jokes ? Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I don't see how ppl can get offended by a or a few jokes. Have ppl lost there sense of humor ? Are they to busy getting fucked up and can't take a joke anymore. I think jokes relieve people from stress. When my crew go on the road, all we do is say jokes over the 2 way radios. It make the trip seam shorter and we don't stress that much. If I offended someone, well build a bridge ( a very long one) and get over it. A lot of people make fun of my accent and my pronunciation problems. So what, big deal, I laugh too and I don't get offended. And I get them back with another joke. pEace and out French E From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 13:52:17 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA20135; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 13:52:17 -0800 Received: from earth.execpc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA20126; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 13:52:14 -0800 From: danimal@earth.execpc.com Received: from 204.29.202.182 (aldebaran.execpc.com [204.29.202.182]) by earth.execpc.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA21455; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:50:17 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:50:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199502162150.PAA21455@earth.execpc.com> Subject: Re: on men, women, and andrew, among other things. To: Sho Kuwamoto , mw-raves@hyperreal.com (midwest raves mailing list) X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BRAVO!!! BRAVO!!! (standing ovation) That exactly what I wanted to say.. but you said it first. __ Copywrite 1994 D.T.W. Corp All rights and lefts reserved. Danimal@earth.execpc.com Web Page Http://www.execpc.com/~danimal/dtwcorp/dtwcorp.html Oh Goody! My Alludium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator! A Dream is but a fleeting moment, but a dream about you is Eternal. If your Parents never had sex chances are you won't either. From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 14:05:57 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA21151; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:05:57 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA21146; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:05:54 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.203.92]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03417; Thu, 16 Feb 95 14:07:33 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19423; Thu, 16 Feb 95 14:07:21 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26206; Thu, 16 Feb 95 16:06:53 CST Date: Thu, 16 Feb 95 16:06:53 CST Message-Id: <9502162206.AA26206@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: pre-party @ bambi's saturday Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk SATURDAY FEB. 18th, 1995 ======================== * GLOBAL WARMING * another FREE bring-your-own-goodies little gathering ======================== (312) 918 9087 yup that's right... this saturday evening, starting at 7pm and going on until people leave to TranceLogic or to LiquidSex... sound will be pumping at bambi's. DJs so far include: Mike Dearborn Adam Bambi and a couple of other (TBA tomorrow) come and meet your fellow mw-ravers / vravers and other freaks... directions are as follow: the address is 1441 W. BlackHawk St. in the CoachHouse. It's about two blocks north and two blocks east of Ashland/Division/Milwaukee. If you're coming from I94, exit on Division. Go West on Division to the next stoplight (between two gas station) and make a right (north) on Noble. Go to the second stop sign and make a left on BlackHawk. After the next intersection you'll see on your left a big blue/gey wooden house marked 1441 with a side-yard. At the end of the side-yard there's a very old-looking grey-brick coachhouse (you can see it from the street) with a blue door. Go quietly thru the side yard to that door and ring the bell a few times... From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 14:06:42 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA21257; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:06:42 -0800 Received: from aug1 by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA21061; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:04:09 -0800 Received: from [141.224.192.124] by aug1 (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07799; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:58:41 +0600 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:58:40 +0600 Message-Id: <9502162158.AA07799@aug1> X-Sender: allen@aug1.augsburg.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) Subject: GASP! content-length: 131 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Did I just send a message to Mw-Raves with the name Rita Rudner in the title?!?! GASP!!! maybe this is going a lil too far ! =P From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 14:11:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA21625; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:11:33 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA21609; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:11:28 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.203.92]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03486; Thu, 16 Feb 95 14:12:49 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19581; Thu, 16 Feb 95 14:12:35 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26379; Thu, 16 Feb 95 16:12:07 CST Date: Thu, 16 Feb 95 16:12:07 CST Message-Id: <9502162212.AA26379@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: MaxximumSL@aol.com From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: Re: offended by jokes ? Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >A lot of people make fun of my accent and my pronunciation problems. So what, >big deal, I laugh too and I don't get offended. And I get them back with >another joke. >pEace and out >French E All ofh you damneuh frenchiez suckz, I ameuh tailing you! If it waz nut for Amerika, you woold all bee zpeaking German today! Jerry Lewis loverz! Winoz! peas and loaf, bambi nib@dlogics.com From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 14:12:20 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA21713; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:12:20 -0800 Received: from orion.it.luc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA21701; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:12:15 -0800 Received: by orion.it.luc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA103611; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 16:11:36 -0600 From: vshuman@orion.it.luc.edu (Valery M. Shuman) Message-Id: <9502162211.AA103611@orion.it.luc.edu> Subject: re:a holiday for European-american men To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 16:11:26 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1368 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay, this is not a flame! Kurt, you mentioned something in one of your posts about not having anything to be proud of as a white american male. Also about not having an appreciation month and such. The White American Male is integrated into every thought and action of this country. Our entire society is based upon a white capitalist patriarchy. So basically, every day is white american male appreciation day. I mean that is who is given the first priveledge in almost everything. Also, just about every other holiday, especially those celebrating the founding of our country is centered around celebrated white american males. So if you're looking to be fond and proud of your heritage, you can be proud of it every day, that is if you agree with everything our founding fathers did with this country and "for" this country. I don't want to sound like I'm dissing, I just think that the point of those other holidays or appreciation months is for the people who were always left out. White women, black males, and black women, as well as all other minorities have virtually been left out of our history books, except for little blurbs on a page about one successful black male in history or so forth. Anyway, I could go on and on, I just wanted to put it in perspective, or at least give my perspective. *WE ARE THE PHUTURE* VAL From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 14:19:45 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA22235; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:19:45 -0800 Received: from orion.it.luc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA22227; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:19:42 -0800 Received: by orion.it.luc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA79688; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 16:19:15 -0600 From: vshuman@orion.it.luc.edu (Valery M. Shuman) Message-Id: <9502162219.AA79688@orion.it.luc.edu> Subject: danimal's talk request To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 16:19:08 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 93 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey I didn't get your address when you sent that Talk request, request to talk to me again From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 14:40:49 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA23586; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:40:49 -0800 Received: from aug1 by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA23578; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:40:45 -0800 Received: from [141.224.192.124] by aug1 (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07766; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:56:58 +0600 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:56:57 +0600 Message-Id: <9502162156.AA07766@aug1> X-Sender: allen@aug1.augsburg.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) Subject: Re: Rita Rudner is a SEXIST?? GASP! content-length: 0 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Kurt: >this hits into the PLUR concept - to truley embrace plur you must accept >other folks' viewpoints - if they are right or wrong isn't the issue - >the issue is in your own ability to accept the differences between yourself >and others... From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 15:17:48 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA26284; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:17:48 -0800 Received: from ellen.acad.lawrence.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA26278; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:17:44 -0800 Received: from lawrence.edu by lawrence.edu (PMDF V4.3-9 #3646) id <01HN4ICEH8RK9VXYFY@lawrence.edu>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 17:21:37 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 17:21:37 -0600 (CST) From: "JAIL:MARIJUANA'S ONLY BAD EFFECT" Subject: can't we all be friends ? To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HN4ICEHAN69VXYFY@lawrence.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk blah, blah blah blah blah blah SEXISM blah blah blah blah. Blah ALCOHOL blah, blah, blah blah blah blah. Blah blah, blah; blah RACISM! Blah, blah, blah-blah blah EQUALITY? blah, blah, blah: blah, blah, blah. blah, Mike p.s. sorry to sound off the topic of this mailing list but does anyone have anything interesting to talk about that pertains to...raves? From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 15:25:51 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA26725; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:25:51 -0800 Received: from tigerden.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA26715; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:25:46 -0800 Received: by tigerden.com id AA07181 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com); Thu, 16 Feb 1995 18:25:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 18:25:53 -0500 (EST) From: "D.A.C. Crowell" To: "JAIL:MARIJUANA'S ONLY BAD EFFECT" Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: can't we all be friends ? In-Reply-To: <01HN4ICEHAN69VXYFY@lawrence.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Feb 1995, JAIL:MARIJUANA'S ONLY BAD EFFECT wrote: > p.s. sorry to sound off the topic of this mailing list > but does anyone have anything interesting to talk about that > pertains to...raves? Well, I know I'd much rather talk about the trance and hyper-chill stuff I've been doing and how I'd like to get some more live PAs to put people into another area code entirely, but the S/N ratio on here has been suffering a bit lately...and annoyingly. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\ "We have come to the edge of a world which D.A.C. Crowell |offers us the limits of the accessible, of the Audio Design and Programming |unpredictable; it must be possible for some- The Aerodyne Works |thing not of this world to find a way through, Champaign, IL, USA. |something that hitherto could not be found by dacc@tigerden.com |any radio station on this earth. Let us set <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>/ out to look for it!" --Karlheinz Stockhausen From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 15:33:17 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA27281; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:33:17 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA27272; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:33:13 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA24465; Thu, 16 Feb 95 17:34:48 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id RAA14513; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 17:30:44 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28428; Thu, 16 Feb 95 17:32:28 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03993; Thu, 16 Feb 95 17:32:28 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502162332.AA03993@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: re:a holiday for European-american men To: vshuman@orion.it.luc.edu (Valery M. Shuman) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 95 17:32:28 CST Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9502162211.AA103611@orion.it.luc.edu>; from "Valery M. Shuman" at Feb 16, 95 4:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } Okay, this is not a flame! } } Kurt, you mentioned something in one of your posts about not } having anything to be proud of as a white american male. Also about not I personally am proud of who I am - I think that there are many many folk out there who aren't proud, and thats a shame, because no matter what you are be it white be it black be it puke-green you should be proud of that. } having an appreciation month and such. The White American Male is } integrated into every thought and action of this country. Our entire } society is based upon a white capitalist patriarchy. So basically, every } day is white american male appreciation day. I mean that is who is given } the first priveledge in almost everything. Also, just about every other I would say that every day this because less and less true. In 1950 I would have said entierly, but as jazz, blues and later rock and roll have changed our culture (the tikes of the 60's are now the business people of today) - it becomes less so - we are slowly approching an evenness toward a more accurate group refelction of the popula. I don't think this agrument is entierly logical. when our system was founded, the cultral conditions were much different than they are now, yes we do draw from that in our general cultural makeup, but times have changed and white-american males are no longer the only influence in society to day. There are influences from every racial/gender group - which is good, and for our age group we have the fortune of having an even greater diversity of influence, white male may still be the largest one, but it is hardly an overwhelming difference - not enough to call every day "white male day" - because thats simply not true - ever day is a celebration of ourselves. The cultral model is changing rapidly and the view the were correct even 12 months ago or outdated and false. If you stop and just take a look around and look at the sources of the influences on you, you know what i mean. } holiday, especially those celebrating the founding of our country is } centered around celebrated white american males. So if you're looking to most are religous or military related, btw. } be fond and proud of your heritage, you can be proud of it every day, why can't you? thats the real question here, if white males don't need a day or whatever why does anyone else? Thats what I don't get about our culture right there.. Because your not a white-male why aren't you proud? if you could get beyond making a racial/gender discrimintiory (it is) decision to compare your racial group to another then there would be no need for this, any of it - if we as a culture were able to base our impressions based on the quality of an individual - this debate wouldn't be possible - I think "cyberspace" or whathave you can make this happen - when you read a post do you care what type of person its coming from (yes some usenet jerks do, but there just that usenet jerks) I sure don't - and thats how it should be - instead of seperating and making more clear the distinctions and the predjuices we should be eliminating them not perpeutating them as we are now... } that is if you agree with everything our founding fathers did with this } country and "for" this country. I don't want to sound like I'm dissing, thats a whole nother topic ;-) } I just think that the point of those other holidays or appreciation } months is for the people who were always left out. White women, black } males, and black women, as well as all other minorities have virtually } been left out of our history books, except for little blurbs on a page } about one successful black male in history or so forth. Anyway, I could revisionist history is another subject all together - history should refelct the cultural conditions of the time - not meld them into our current cultural conditions. } } *WE ARE THE PHUTURE* exactly - so why not try and *change* the way people think by spreading another philosophy of thinking and living that doesn't have racial/gener seperations - it can be done. --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 15:35:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA27490; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:35:33 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA27480; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:35:29 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA24531; Thu, 16 Feb 95 17:36:57 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id RAA14545; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 17:32:54 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28460; Thu, 16 Feb 95 17:34:39 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04002; Thu, 16 Feb 95 17:34:39 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502162334.AA04002@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: can't we all be friends ? To: Michael.T.Ingala@lawrence.edu (JAIL:MARIJUANA'S ONLY BAD EFFECT) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 95 17:34:38 CST Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <01HN4ICEHAN69VXYFY@lawrence.edu>; from "JAIL:MARIJUANA'S ONLY BAD EFFECT" at Feb 16, 95 5:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Mike } } p.s. sorry to sound off the topic of this mailing list } but does anyone have anything interesting to talk about that } pertains to...raves? } I belive it does - we are a community of ravers directly dealing with a very tough issue not only for the rave scene itself but for all society in general. I think its very important to talk about stuff like this - and I for one would like to see it continue... --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 15:37:12 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA27635; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:37:12 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA27626; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:37:09 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA24645; Thu, 16 Feb 95 17:38:48 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id RAA14652; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 17:34:42 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28504; Thu, 16 Feb 95 17:36:27 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04010; Thu, 16 Feb 95 17:36:27 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502162336.AA04010@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: can't we all be friends ? To: Michael.T.Ingala@lawrence.edu (JAIL:MARIJUANA'S ONLY BAD EFFECT) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 95 17:36:26 CST Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <01HN4ICEHAN69VXYFY@lawrence.edu>; from "JAIL:MARIJUANA'S ONLY BAD EFFECT" at Feb 16, 95 5:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk sorry hit :wq s to soon there... we are friends - were just having a disccussion - its normal for friends to have differing opions and learn from each others ideas (if were open minided enough of course) if you didn't learn from your friends you wouldn't be in very good shape i guess --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 15:47:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA28382; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:47:33 -0800 Received: from detroit.freenet.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA28376; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:47:29 -0800 Received: (from ae890@localhost) by detroit.freenet.org (8.6.9/869.2) id SAA00634; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 18:47:29 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 18:47:29 -0500 Message-Id: <199502162347.SAA00634@detroit.freenet.org> From: ae890@detroit.freenet.org (Ian Malbon) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Gotta have the REAL THING, THE REAL THING... Reply-To: ae890@detroit.freenet.org Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ...meaning rave related posts. Two items that have slipped my tiny little mind during this week of tense 'tudes: 1) SWITCH nasal output. Anybody else find that SWITCH employed the most agressive fog blasting in recent motown history? I don't want to offend, but I was seriously affected by overproduction and residue. |:) And I'm sure that our new friends from toronto did a lot of wax-washing the next day, too. Darkness should be unseen, and unsmelled too. Anyone agree? 2) Every city needs a ZOOTS. Zoots Cafe near Wayne State. Just checked out the Monday night ambient (live P.A. and vinyl). So this is where all the little chill-room friendlies have scurried off to... Cool. In every sense. Had a good long chat (remember those) with Scott about music, jobs, caffeine, sleep, dreams, spinning, and "the groove". Nice to meet you, man, wherever you are. Go to Zoots. Vibes do not last forever. Enjoy the chill. May be at Pulse w/Linda, or may choose to suprise Mr. MacQueen at the studio on Friday if he's spinning. Are ya Matt? -- [::::::::::::::::::::] Therefore, I.M. [::::::::::::::::::::::::] [:::::::::::::::] ae890@detroit.freenet.org [:::::::::::::::::::] [:::::::] "Pulsora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis." [::::::::] From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 16:05:40 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA29674; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 16:05:40 -0800 Received: from babbage.ece.uc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA29660; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 16:05:35 -0800 Received: from ddt.eng.uc.edu (ddt.eng.uc.edu [129.137.189.200]) by babbage.ece.uc.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA00389 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 19:05:31 -0500 Received: from curly7.occ.uc.edu (curly7.occ.uc.edu [129.137.40.67]) by ddt.eng.uc.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id TAA23197 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 19:05:28 -0500 Received: by curly7.occ.uc.edu (5.0/Spike-2.0) id AA00413; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 19:05:26 +0500 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 19:05:25 -0500 (EST) From: bradley w rolf To: mw-raves Subject: Restoration 02.17.95 in Cincinnati Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1702 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk A freind of mine asked me to post this so here goes Restoration 02.17.95 Cincinnati ohio We've begun restoration on a late 19th century church and we want you to help us celebrate..... Your hosts............David and Ernest Dj's joining forces on the Altar of Groove Dj Troll Damon Chris R. Dj Dopey Daisy Xian Mind Candy Maybe more...... Party starts at 10:00 pm and its over when its over Directions. Take 75 into Cincinnati and get off on the Rt.50-River Rd. exit stay on Rt. 50 for about 2 miles space is on right. You cant miss it, it is a big church with a big bell tower. Park on eather side of the street and come on in. If you are coming from 71 south bound then take take Ft. Washington way to 75 N. and the exit located just past the ramp for 71-75 south bound. Make sure you stay on Rt. 50 off the exit. it starts off as an expressway looking raod then after a mile or two ends in exits. I beleive if you stay in the middle lane you will be fine just stay on Rt. 50. Ok if there are any questions or comments direct them to cvanpelt@tso.uc.edu or brolf@uceng.uc.edu This party will be lots of fun and have lots of great music and mixing for sure. I hope to see some of you kids there, because this is a great way to warm up for Vger! Luv to all Bradley Rolf (adrock) P.S. Hopefully I will get a chance to spin for all you that come, we will see!! :) From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 17:04:31 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id RAA04051; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 17:04:31 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA04038; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 17:04:25 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by AC.GRIN.EDU (PMDF V4.3-9 #4381) id <01HN4M5A3FKG8Y7905@AC.GRIN.EDU>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 19:04:31 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 19:04:31 -0500 (CDT) From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) Subject: REALLY LONG BUT VERY IMPORTANT To: MW-RAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Message-id: <01HN4M5A3FKI8Y7905@AC.GRIN.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk just as a warning, I'm breaking nettiquite rules, and I apologize, but this one MUST be public....Tigger Forwarded message: >From root Thu Feb 16 14:41:20 1995 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:42:38 -0500 (EST) To: smmcfar@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu Message-Id: <950216154238.20a0b0b5@etcv01.eld.ford.com> >From root Thu Feb 16 14:41:20 1995 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 15:42:38 -0500 (EST) To: smmcfar@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu Message-Id: <950216154238.20a0b0b5@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: Re: Ethnic Jokes > = Shannon without > = Miles >Miles please understand that the one place i thought was safe for sexism and >racism was mw-raves... >i thoughtb we were all above it, ya know? Don't you think that's a bit naive or even arogant. Who said that people on an internet list are superior to other humans. We're all the same. Besides whoever posted that Joke stuff probably doesn't see it that way, neither do I. In your realm of reality it's sexists - in mine it's a joke. Give people the latitude to make mistakes without being so judgmental. In other words try to understand that in someone elses realm of reality different things may constitute sexism. If everyone went around concerned about offending others then this would sure be a boring place to live. We probably wouldn't even have so called Rave Culture. Our music might offend some Amish person or a nun or something. >And yes i understand that it was ment to be a joke, but the person who sent it >didn't take into consideration how a female, who is proud of the fact taht she >is one, might take it...do you understand??? Yes I do. I also underastand that in this world, it's not worth it. This guy did not say anything like women suck. It was a joke. >And my major is political science, which is all male, so sexsim, being passed >over, my ideas made fun of, my liberal, feminist views(and no i'm not radical i >just think men and women are equal and should be treated as equal),made fun of >over and over again, has hurt me...i think you can understand how it feels to >be passed over because you are different. Not because I'm different but because my views are different as a result of a unique set of experiences. It's human nature to oppose things that are different. In fact human nature sucks. You're human also and therfore imperfect. As Jesus Said ,'Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone.' Even Jesus realizes that were not perfect. >Or to be the butt end of a joke because of your race or sex. Do you understand >now why i was so upset by it, You weren't the but end of that post by any means. Yes I do understand but I still don't think that you should get so upset by it. In a way I think it's kind of selfish. Why? Because you're spending so much energy worrying about how YOU were so offended. Think of all of the other ways other people get offended. Is your offense so much more important. Being offended is a fact of life even for white males. But don't stop the struggle for equality for all of us. If you could get so upset by THAT, then you're probably just a huge bundle of upsetness. Understand it rather that let it upset you. ME Again. Miles that was the dialogue that shannon sent me between her and miles.... can I say a few things here? if I insulted african americans, called them Niggers, I'd be labeled a racist. if I insulted gay men, I'd be called a homophobe (that would be kinda funny, wouldn't it?) Now, why is it that when Shannon (or any other person) stands up for what he/she believes in, it is their problem, not the problem of the group? Rave culture...something we all (or hopefully most) buy into is something tea-toatalers and the prohibitionists. Then you moved on to the sexism issue. special...it is a avenue for change, an escape from the mysoginistic, myopic, homophobic, and racist view held by referant society. This society ties us to the belief that MEN are superior, and women, blacks, and anyone else are less than human...while I deleted French E's jokes, others read them...and some were offended by them (see Shannon, AMy, Toddo....). What does this all mean? Well, it means that we believe the "rave" mailing list to be filled with people who understand and uphold the same ideals that the "true ravers" do, remeber the PEACE LOVE UNITY AND RESPECT crap we've been talking about? well folks, to me, and to many others on this list, it is not crap, it is a way of life. Miles, you are making it hard for people to exist on this list. Since your appearance you have caused nothing but controversey and strife. It satred with Alchol. You chose to instigate a fight that was reminiscent of the tea-toatalers and the prohibitionists. Then you moved on to the sexism issue. You have beguiled and antagonized people on the list for less than a week with your destructive, broad sweeping rampages, and you are about to drive my best friend off the list because you made her feel like the bad guy instead of the victim. You, as well as other people, are raping this list. By treating this avenue gays, asiains....anything but the referent society, we are sucombing to not gays, asians....anything but the referent society, we are sucombing to not for thought as a boxing match or a superstructured soapbox for debate, you have unearthed a whole lot of trouble which I'm sure you would rather not deal with....The world WOULD DEFINATELY be boring without trauma and strife and disagreements, but this is not the way to make this mailing list more intresting. If causing fights is your way of getting off, move on. I've been on here way to long to deal with your crap, ok? Finally, you quoted Jesus in your letter to Shannon, well how about this one " LOVE THINE NEIGHBOR" I think that this becomes a necessity in times like this. A Joke list like you and French E posted causes nothing but lines and divisions in a growing culture that now, more than ever, needs to be UNIFIED. UNITY is what makes us strong, and if we use this list as an avenue to put down women, blacks, gays, asians....anything but the referent society, we are sucombing to not only the ills that we are trying to escape but to the media and news mongers who paint us as villians and delinquints. A lot of good has come out of our scene. A new community has been formed, one that was started on the ideas of mutual love and respect for everybody...that is something that appears to be forgotten, or has been shuffled into the back of our minds. Now is the time, brothers and sisters, to be CLOSE and not seperate, ONE not many. Now is the time that we break down the barriers that seperate us and hide us from the true meaning of life...POSITIVE COEXISTANCE WITH ALL. (tigger steps off his soapbox and moves onto something else) ...sorry for the length, I had to say it all.. Tigger (g e n e r a t i n g u n d e r s t a n d i n g) From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 17:22:13 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id RAA05104; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 17:22:13 -0800 Received: from student5.cl.msu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA05098; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 17:22:10 -0800 Received: from [35.8.189.73] by student5.cl.msu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/MSU-2.10) id AA43929; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 20:17:36 -0500 Message-Id: <9502170117.AA43929@student5.cl.msu.edu> X-Sender: macqueen@student5.msu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 20:21:58 -0500 To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: macqueen@student.msu.edu (Matt MacQueen) Subject: Re: Gotta have the REAL THING, THE REAL THING... Cc: ae890@detroit.freenet.org Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >...meaning rave related posts. Two items that have slipped my >tiny little mind during this week of tense 'tudes: > >1) SWITCH nasal output. Anybody else find that SWITCH employed > the most agressive fog blasting in recent motown history? > I don't want to offend, but I was seriously affected by > overproduction and residue. |:) > And I'm sure that our new friends from toronto did a lot > of wax-washing the next day, too. Darkness should be unseen, > and unsmelled too. Anyone agree? Agreed! I was coughing the day after, and I ended up spitting a chunk of black shit out of my throat! (Recall that infamous scene from Aliens, where the thing pokes it's little head out of the stomach next....). Yuck. I was freaked! Not to mention what I'll just call "gray matter" in the kleenex after a good sneeze. ;) >2) Every city needs a ZOOTS. Zoots Cafe near Wayne State. Just > checked out the Monday night ambient (live P.A. and vinyl). > So this is where all the little chill-room friendlies have > scurried off to... Cool. In every sense. Had a good long > chat (remember those) with Scott about music, jobs, > caffeine, sleep, dreams, spinning, and "the groove". Nice > to meet you, man, wherever you are. > Go to Zoots. Vibes do not last forever. Enjoy the chill. I, too, have heard nothing but *great* things about Zoots. Someone actually told me that Instinct or maybe Caroline records "ambient"[TM] divisions somehow sub-sponsoring it.(?) At least it's got recognition - that's very cool. >May be at Pulse w/Linda, or may choose to suprise Mr. MacQueen >at the studio on Friday if he's spinning. Are ya Matt? > >-- >[::::::::::::::::::::] Therefore, I.M. [::::::::::::::::::::::::] >[:::::::::::::::] ae890@detroit.freenet.org [:::::::::::::::::::] >[:::::::] "Pulsora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis." [::::::::] I won't be on the air this Friday (tomorrow) but the good news for Lansing area is that Vladimir and Acid Pimp will be spinning live on from 12:30am until about 2am, IMPACT 88.9 fm. Hope to see Ian M., Linda, (and others!) at PULSE on Saturday in Detroit. Aaron Bennett, are you *ever* gonna make it over here again? ;) Just think, I almost made it through this entire post without mentioning: White-male holidays, Spouse-abuse, Drugs are cool but alcohol is for fighting, Sexism, Asking how to subscribe, or any "100 reasons why" Internet junk-mail! Just think, some posts about events! ;) Well, almost. ;) No offense intended, PEACEout. :) _______________________________________________________________________ Matt MacQueen No UFO's. Hypermedia & WWW Development Communication Technology Laboratory, Michigan State Univeristy _______________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 18:17:26 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id SAA07917; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 18:17:26 -0800 Received: from po.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA07908; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 18:17:21 -0800 Received: from purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu [137.112.3.11]) by po.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id VAA11125 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 21:17:17 -0500 From: "William K. Baran" Received: (baranwk@localhost) by purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA13597 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 21:17:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 21:17:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199502170217.VAA13597@purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: digital mixers and sexism Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I did not want to say anything about this subject, but since I'm mailing, I might as well. I believe that the reason that stereotypes and tension between races and genders still exist is because people are not allowing themselves to look at the humorous side of things. Everyone thinks that everyone else is out to criticize them. On one hand someone may complain about the ridiculousness of political correctness, but on the other hand flame on about something that they took offense to. It is the blacks who can laugh about black jokes, and the men and women that can laugh about gender jokes, as well as all the other races that can laugh about jokes about them, that will tear down the wall of stereotypes and racism and sexism. These people who make sure not to take offense so easily are showing something missing in todays society : *tolerance* For example, a very good friend of mine is black, and many times he starts about black jokes himself, or if someone says a black joke, he'll continue about it, or start with white jokes, and because of this he is a much more friendly and easy going person. He is not anal retentive and ready to pick a fight with someone because he was *offended*. We need more people like this. Now, About mixing CDs : I have a radio show here at college, and i use quite a bit of CDs in my show. Although they are not as exact as vinyl, the do have bonuses. The CD players we have can be set to tell how much time is left in a song, and stop at the end of a song. That way you can start a song running and not worry about it. It's also nice to be able to quickly loop back to the beginning of a song, which is sometimes nice for mixing. So with two CD players and 2 tables, its not hard to mix in CDs. I usually start with a CD, the match beats with vinyl and then try to mix back to CD, usually by looping. They both have their positives. But if vinyl was as compact and as good sound quality as vinyl and as portable, I would definately have all vinyl! Sirkut "Children of the Revolution" =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= "The good Christian should beware of mathematicians and all those who make empty prophecies. The danger already exists that mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil to darken the spirit and confine man in the bounds of hell." -- Saint Augustine =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Send replies to: baranwk@nextwork.rose-hulman.edu or baranwk@cs.rose-hulman.edu From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 18:35:32 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id SAA09145; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 18:35:32 -0800 Received: from infochi.infochi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA09138; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 18:35:24 -0800 Received: by infochi.infochi.com id AA04646 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com); Thu, 16 Feb 1995 20:36:31 -0600 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 21:35:32 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Shea Subject: Re: Gotta have the REAL THING, THE REAL THING... To: Ian Malbon Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199502162347.SAA00634@detroit.freenet.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Feb 1995, Ian Malbon wrote: > 1) SWITCH nasal output. Anybody else find that SWITCH employed > the most agressive fog blasting in recent motown history? > I don't want to offend, but I was seriously affected by > overproduction and residue. |:) I wasn't at SWITCH, but in general I'm not a fan of the whole fog blast/dry ice thing. Reminds me of old Quiet Riot videos more than raving...plus it's bad if you have trouble breathing. Down with fog! Stu 8) From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 18:56:03 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id SAA10145; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 18:56:03 -0800 Received: from UKCC.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA10137; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 18:56:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199502170256.SAA10137@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from UKCC.UKY.EDU by UKCC.uky.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1781; Thu, 16 Feb 95 21:55:25 EST Received: from ukcc.uky.edu (NJE origin THELME00@UKCC) by UKCC.UKY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2256; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 21:55:25 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 95 21:18:43 EST From: tim Subject: Miles is human___(re: READ THE WHOLE THING, PART TWO!!!) To: mw-raves@TAZ.HYPERREAL.COM Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk as such, he makes mistakes. we all do. as such, he's supposed to have certain rights. we all are. as such, he should have certain responsibilities. and meet them. we all should. (note - "as such" 3 pertains to keeping "as such" 2 alive for everyone else) subnote to "as such" two - this means that a group of people can get together and shake their booties to some low-down funky music. thus doing, a bunch of them can get together and create a list of mailings to be sent to subscribers periodically. this said, it is still a person's right to join said list if he/she is not at one with the ideas of the rest of the group. therein lies the essence of freedom our fore-fathers bullshitted about. this said, it is anyone's right, once having followed these steps, to say what is on his/her mind. no prob. okay, i'm tired of this strain...i could've taken it to new heights, no doubt, but why waste the effort? concise, kid, that's what they told me in journalism school...hmmph. 1.) Miles is insulting. 2.) Miles has brought negativity to the list. 2.a.) lots of it. 3.) We ain't about appearances as much as everyone else is Miles. *winks with an inside joke at Bob Alvarez* - and when we do something that makes us look stupid, our raver pals are supposed to let us know. 4.) We're all friends here, Miles. well, mostly. sorta a family, at least. 5.) We're an allowing, forgiving lot. or at least we SHOULD be...hell even the nasty people forgive. 6.) So if ya don't want to change, well, that's your call, Miles, but i fear my pal Tigger is right. You're wasting your time here if all you have is mucho negativity with little rational input. 7.) If you want to give us some positive input, some rationale behind the words you choose - ahem - take Kurt's example. sometimes he seems like a meanie but he's really just trying to help. all i've seen from you, on the other hand, is opinion. Opinion is great. it is the birth of fact. but you need to follow through on it to make it so. 8.) We forget bad things relatively soon - i mean, look at all the people who go to events thrown by habitually shitty promoters...so if you just let it ride out, hey - we'll forgive you. My point here is, i think (and anyone who doesn't wish to be spoken for, speak up!) we agree on this - we don't want to drive people away, right? and w/o any negativity, there would be no such thing as positivity, right? but Miles, remember that the converse is also true - that is to say, without any positivity, there would be no such thing as negativity. that basically means, Miles, that your posts are nothing. and if you're posting nothing to a list you seem to largely disagree with, i am afraid you are only going to end up getting ulcers of frustration as we simply delete the things you post... Give us something positive, Miles. We're up for it. hope ya read through all that, Miles. 'cause i'd rather not see ya just go away because everyone gets pissed. isn't that what happened to Mr. Shum? that was, though i was a participant in the snuggles-bashing (sorry), a regrettable loss because at least we had a fairly-frequent poster of the C.H.A. side of things (or should i say "tings"?), and while those of you that know me might think it is a bit odd for me to say we should have a C.H.A. representative on here, oh well - i like to hear what all have to say. but for your sake Miles, pos. + neg. = more respect from all. later. From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 20:04:17 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA13602; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 20:04:17 -0800 Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA13597; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 20:04:14 -0800 From: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Message-Id: <199502170404.UAA13597@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0408; Thu, 16 Feb 95 22:02:47 CST Date: Thu, 16 Feb 95 21:54:55 CST To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Where the hell is Andrew Bennet? I'm personally don't have the time and phone bill to read some of these posts of people who if I see on the streets, will basically beat the shit out of. I'm very fucking angry that somebody non-black can post "nigger" as if it can't offend nobody and white males telling me how Blacks and women should not be offended by their jokes and supremacist beliefs..Now if Andrew don't want to let this get out of control I suggest he do what he promised to do the other day and kick some of these people off who has nothing positive to say.. Peace, Zheam From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 20:38:16 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA15307; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 20:38:16 -0800 Received: from capella.engin.umich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA15300; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 20:38:13 -0800 Received: (catarrh@localhost) by capella.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id XAA22807; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 23:38:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 23:31:37 -0400 (EDT) From: mike wong Subject: quite valid objection to stupidity To: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199502170404.UAA13597@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk zheam wrote this: > very fucking angry that somebody non-black can post "nigger" as if it can't > offend nobody and white males telling me how Blacks and women should not be > offended by their jokes and supremacist beliefs..Now if Andrew don't want to > let this get out of control I suggest he do what he promised to do the other > day and kick some of these people off who has nothing positive to say.. > > Peace, i missed the post that you are referring to. i think it is because i got sick of reading mail from that person and started deleting it as soon as i recognized his rhetoric. but you are right on. i am ashamed to admit that when i am disturbed by comments like this i am more likely to press "D" or leave the room than write or speak my rage. but i agree that this person should be either punished or educated. preferrably educated. peace::mike wong From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 21:27:51 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA18054; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 21:27:51 -0800 Received: from MAPLE.ucs.uwplatt.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA18049; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 21:27:47 -0800 From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #4908) id <01HN4SYSDXKE95MT0V@uwplatt.edu>; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 22:21:36 CST Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 22:21:36 -0600 (CST) Subject: Craig S. To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HN4SYSDXK095MT0V@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: MWRAVES MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Craig, could you please get back to me as soon as you read this. I'm wondering if it's still possible to get DJ ESP's release 'Bad Acid, No Such Thing' off of DBN Records through the DBN. Thanks in advance. Peace out, Ramylson ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke "If we were not here, material 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' events like the passage of the seasons 608.342.3196 would lack even the meager meanings Fun House Productions we are able to muster for them." dpn.member#002 --Annie Dillard-- ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 21:53:47 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA19216; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 21:53:47 -0800 Received: from mik.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA19210; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 21:53:42 -0800 Received: from nx25.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA23961; Fri, 17 Feb 95 00:53:20 -0500 From: jerry marvin haws Message-Id: <9502170553.AA23961@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx25.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA13657; Fri, 17 Feb 95 00:52:03 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 95 00:52:03 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: FUK / Kentucky Reply-To: jsquared Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is to officially serve notice that the Kentucky FUK date will actually occur in Louisville rather than Lexington. The purpose of the move is to insure the SAFEST POSSIBLE SPOT for the party. We are of the mind that we don't want to refer to our party as FUKUP. More info will be posted on this list on Monday. Now, serious stuff aside, I want to invite everyone to check this out. If you don't get FUKKED here, get FUKKED somewhere. Plastikman live is a rather special occurance. Netravers will be $5. To register for this discount, you must email COSMIC@mik.uky.edu personally, and say, hi, I am a netraver, and I need FUK. At the door, give your name & email address. We are inviting Netravers to, if possible, bring large containers of H2O to give away. If you can, do. If you can't, !sweat. (No sweat, if you aren't Andrew) Card-carrying Members of the PlastikProdukts Party will also be $5. Vibe Uber Alles. Thank you for Shopping with us. jsquared From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 22:41:05 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id WAA21347; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 22:41:05 -0800 Received: from corn.cso.niu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA21340; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 22:41:02 -0800 Received: by corn.cso.niu.edu id AA00842 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 00:41:01 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 00:41:01 -0600 (CST) From: Sung Shim Subject: Re: FUK / Kentucky To: uk02657@mik.uky.edu Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199502170553.VAA19230@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Now, serious stuff aside, I want to invite everyone to check this >out. If you don't get FUKKED here, get FUKKED somewhere. Plastikman >live is a rather special occurance. >Netravers will be $5. To register for this discount, you must email >COSMIC@mik.uky.edu personally, and say, hi, I am a netraver, and I I was wondering if anyone knew if there was going to be this netraver discount at the other FUK parties. I couldn't imagine how it could be expensive, but if I had some discount it would make me feel nice and pack a tonna extra water for everyone to share. ;> anyways, im a jobless college student enough said sung - -- (mRay) z943159@corn.cso.niu.edu From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 16 22:48:12 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id WAA21670; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 22:48:12 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA21661; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 22:48:08 -0800 Received: from alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (synergy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.2]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id AAA04634 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 00:48:10 -0600 Received: (synergy@localhost) by alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) id AAA29101; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 00:48:09 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 00:48:09 -0600 (CST) From: "Brad Owen (Massive Magazine)" To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Milwaukee Wednesdays Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk For those of you in Milwaukee and the surrounding areas. I have run into a rather fortunate situation. Starting this Wednesday and every one after, I will be spinning at Nitro on Water Street...this is under age night. It's gonna be a Quadrasonic thingy....with guest Dj's on the first Wednesday of each month. This coming Wednesday will be myself and Wednesday the 1st of March will be myself accompanied by Mind Drive of Madison. Price is Six Bux and it'll be goin' on from 8pm til 1am each night. I hope some of you can make it...hopefully, Milwaukee can get something club-ish with good music going. Mail me if you need info. Peace Brad -------------------------- ----------------------------------------- - - - Brad J. Owen (Synergy) - - --------- - - - - ------------- - - Quadrasonic Promotions - - --------------- - - Massive Magazine - - --- ------- --- - - - - - ----- - - - Milwaukee, Wisconsin - - --- - - - - - - - synergy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu - - - - - -------------------------- ----------------------------------------- From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 00:01:52 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id AAA24577; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 00:01:52 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA24571; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 00:01:49 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by AC.GRIN.EDU (PMDF V4.3-9 #4381) id <01HN50QDOC6E8Y78FL@AC.GRIN.EDU>; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 02:02:24 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 02:02:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) To: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU, mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HN50QDOC6G8Y78FL@AC.GRIN.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I posted the word "nigger" on the list, not as an attempt to offend you, but as a vehicle to make you realize that WORDS HURT...no matter "WHAT YOU MEANT" or how it was said...I'm sorry if it offends, that word is not now, nor has EVER been part of my vocabulary.... Tigger From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 00:17:46 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id AAA25194; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 00:17:46 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id AAA25184; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 00:17:42 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by AC.GRIN.EDU (PMDF V4.3-9 #4381) id <01HN51A3BP1C8Y78FL@AC.GRIN.EDU>; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 02:18:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 02:18:17 -0500 (CDT) From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) Subject: sorry...ZHEAM READ THIS...and you too To: MW-RAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Message-id: <01HN51A3BP1E8Y78FL@AC.GRIN.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk ok...I posted a long message I'm sorry I made all of that public...sorta the thing that I want to clear up is this...and it is public (for fear that I offeneded more than one....Zheam, this is REALLY directed at you) in my REALLY LONG BUT IMPORTANT post, I stated: if I insulted african americans, called them (I will exclude this word because it is offensive), I'd be labeled a racist.if I insulted gay men, I'd be called a homophobe my intention was not to be a racist, display rascist tendancies, put down african americans, or display my superiority, but to show that WORDS can and DEFINATELY DO HURT. it is not now, nor has ever been in my soul to be a racist. I am not now, nor have ever been one to judge on stupid things like who you sleep with or what color your skin is, I judge on actions. I shall never, EVER, prejudge you becuase of your appearance... Zheam, I am sorry if I offended you, it was unintentional; all I was doing was displaying a fact that many seem to have missed, that (once again) WORDS DO HURT, even when they are in jest. Anthony Cammarata (tigger) From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 01:43:48 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id BAA28219; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 01:43:48 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA28128; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 01:41:37 -0800 From: AnodeBAM@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA034624065; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 04:41:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 04:41:06 -0500 Message-Id: <950217012308_24026214@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com, SERAVES@listserv.american.edu Cc: ne-raves-calendar@hyperreal.com, ne-raves@umdd.umd.edu Subject: Devine/Logic Trance Party * Nashville * March 4 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk saturday march 4 - 8pm-6am ** nashville tennessee BAM!, URB Magazine, & LOGIC Records present: D*E*V*I*N*E -- a logic trance 2 party featuring derrick carter (chicago) james christian (new york) robert armani (chicago) who (baltimore) nigel richards (philly) chip b (nashville) justin long (chicago) kasi (knoxville) sean catinella (knoxville) merlin (st louis) lary breaks (nashville) justin hand (memphis) 811 Palmer Place (The Cannery) on Eighth Avenue South, downtown (fully permitted venue) Location is in the same building as our DREAM party was in spring 1994. all ages til midnite ** no alcohol ** 18+ midnite til 6 am (valid 18+ ID REQUIRED to stay after midnight!!!) ** still no alcohol :> ** (Nashville Has A Midnight Curfew!) There WILL be a free afterparty. Curfew is lifted at 6:00 AM!! Here are directions to D*E*V*I*N*E in Nashville, Saturday March 4, 1995. These are fairly comprehensive, coming from all 6 major interstate thoroughfares. Once you get close to Nashville, you may want to call the infoline (615-780-3730) for any last-minute changes, should they become necessary. ----- Coming to Nashville on Interstate 65 going NORTH (From Birmingham, Huntsville, etc.) Follow signs to Nashville. AVOID I-440. REPEAT: AVOID I-440. Take the WOODMONT BLVD EXIT. TURN LEFT at the bottom of the ramp. Go to the first big intersection (BP Station and Mrs. Winners on the corner) Turn RIGHT onto EIGHTH AVE toward downtown. Go up the hill, thru 1 stop light (several blocks), down the hill, under the interstates (several more blocks), thru another stop light, under a railroad overpass. After the railroad overpass, look for the TEXACO on the right. Turn LEFT at the TEXACO onto Cannery Row or Palmer Place. ----- Coming to Nashville on Interstate 65 going SOUTH (From Louisville, Gallatin, Hendersonville, etc.) Follow signs to Nashville. At the split: [<-- Nashville 24E/65S] --- [Memphis 265 -->] Bear RIGHT toward [Memphis 265]. At the next split, Bear RIGHT again, toward Nashville. Look for and TAKE the BROADWAY/DEMONBREUN EXIT (Exit # 209B) Turn LEFT onto Broadway at the light. Follow directions below from BROADWAY/DOWNTOWN. ----- Coming to Nashville on Interstate 40 going WEST (From Knoxville, points east, etc.) Follow signs to Nashville. At the split: [<-- Chattanooga 24E/440E] --- [Nashville 24W/40W -->] Bear RIGHT to Nashville (obviously). Follow interstate signs towards BIRMINGHAM (I-65 South) Look for and take the WOODMONT BLVD EXIT. TURN RIGHT at the bottom of the ramp. Go to the first big intersection (BP Station and Mrs. Winners on the corner) Turn RIGHT onto EIGHTH AVE toward downtown. Go up the hill, thru 1 stop light (several blocks), down the hill, under the interstates (several more blocks), thru another stop light, under a railroad overpass. After the railroad overpass, look for the TEXACO on the right. Turn LEFT at the TEXACO onto Cannery Row or Palmer Place. ----- Coming to Nashville on Interstate 40 going EAST (From Memphis, points west, etc.) Follow signs to Nashville. AVOID I-440. REPEAT: AVOID I-440. Stay on 40 through the [<- 265] -- [40->] split, bearing RIGHT. Look for and TAKE the BROADWAY/DEMONBREUN EXIT (Exit # 209B) Turn LEFT onto Broadway at the light. Follow directions below from BROADWAY/DOWNTOWN. ----- Coming to Nashville on Interstate 24 going WEST (From Atlanta (via I-75), Chattanooga, Hickory Hollow/Antioch area, etc.) Follow signs to Nashville. AVOID I-440. REPEAT: AVOID I-440. At the split: [<-- Nashville/Birmingham] -- [Knoxville 40E -->] Bear LEFT toward Nashville (duh). Follow interstate signs towards BIRMINGHAM (I-65 South) Look for and take the WOODMONT BLVD EXIT. TURN RIGHT at the bottom of the ramp. Go to the first big intersection (BP Station and Mrs. Winners on the corner) Turn RIGHT onto EIGHTH AVE toward downtown. Go up the hill, thru 1 stop light (several blocks), down the hill, under the interstates (several more blocks), thru another stop light, under a railroad overpass. After the railroad overpass, look for the TEXACO on the right. Turn LEFT at the TEXACO onto Cannery Row or Palmer Place. ----- ----- Coming to Nashville on Interstate 24 going EAST (From St. Louis, Clarkesville, etc.) Follow signs to Nashville. At the split: [<-- Nashville 24E/65S] --- [Memphis 265 -->] Bear RIGHT toward [Memphis 265]. At the next split, Bear RIGHT again, toward Nashville. Look for and TAKE the BROADWAY/DEMONBREUN EXIT (Exit # 209B) Turn LEFT onto Broadway at the light. Follow directions below from BROADWAY/DOWNTOWN. ----- ----- Directions from BROADWAY/DOWNTOWN: If downtown, or close, find BROADWAY or WEST END AVENUE (West End merges into Broadway at around 16th or 17th Ave) and head towards downtown. You should be able to see the South Central Bell building (or "Batman" building, because of the two big "ear"-looking antennae). Stay on Broadway until you come to EIGHTH AVENUE. Turn RIGHT onto EIGHTH Avenue (you can only turn one way, no left turn, man). Go thru 4 stop lights (bear right at the 3rd light). Look for the TEXACO on the left. Turn RIGHT at the TEXACO. Park. Come inside. Dance. woo woo ----- ----- ----- Thanks for taking the time and effort to travel to Nashville to party with us. Please make copies of these directions and give them to everyone you know who might benefit from them. boomshanka, the BAM/anode crew From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 02:01:05 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id CAA28915; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 02:01:05 -0800 Received: from desire.wright.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA28908; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 02:01:01 -0800 From: S005MDK@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU Received: from desire.wright.edu by desire.wright.edu (PMDF V4.3-13 #2485) id <01HN56RDO7VQ8Y6QI5@desire.wright.edu>; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 05:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 05:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Net meeting at Vger??? To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HN56RDO7VS8Y6QI5@desire.wright.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"mw-raves@hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This post is 100%!!! (ever seen that before) offencive free! I was wondering how many of you out there are comming to Vger? I'm new to the list and would like a chance to meet some of you folks. So if there are enough of you comming want to have a little gathering around 1:00? There might be a basment where we can meet (not sure yet) but if not at the smart bar? Cya at Vger Matt Normal Guy From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 02:53:34 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id CAA00651; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 02:53:34 -0800 Received: from mailhost.cyberquest.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id CAA00646; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 02:53:31 -0800 Received: by mailhost.cyberquest.com (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA24081; Fri, 17 Feb 95 02:53:32 -0800 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 02:53:31 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Lyons To: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <199502170404.UAA13597@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Feb 1995 AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU wrote: > Where the hell is Andrew Bennet? > > I'm personally don't have the time and phone bill to read some of these posts > of people who if I see on the streets, will basically beat the shit out of. I'm > very fucking angry that somebody non-black can post "nigger" as if it can't > offend nobody and white males telling me how Blacks and women should not be > offended by their jokes and supremacist beliefs..Now if Andrew don't want to > let this get out of control I suggest he do what he promised to do the other > day and kick some of these people off who has nothing positive to say.. > > Peace, > Zheam > "people who if I see on the streets, will basically beat the shit out of" and "Peace" in the same message? uh........ok...... From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 06:51:31 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id GAA09732; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 06:51:31 -0800 Received: from icicle.winternet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA09727; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 06:51:27 -0800 Received: from [199.199.120.62] by icicle.winternet.com with smtp (SunOS Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rfU1i-000SxKC; Fri, 17 Feb 95 08:51 CST Date: Fri, 17 Feb 95 08:51 CST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: dbrekke@winternet.com (Dennis R. Brekke) Subject: X - Treme! (house) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The Muscle Shop presents... X-Treme! (house) an After Hours HOUSE Party @ The Muscle Shop MIDNIGHT, SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 17th, 1995 Spinning the best underground house grooves: PepperMint Patty Danny Shaffer Papoose & more! Lights and Sound by: STeVO DeVO Doors at midnight, $5 donation, 18 & Up THE MUSCLE SHOP: 12 Chesnut Ave. N. (Henn. to 11th St. & 2 Blocks North) --------------------------------------- COMING SOON! Every FRIDAY @ the Muscle Shop - FRANTiK! The Weekly Bak-to-Basiks Rave. Dj's TBA each week... djKapt'nKrunch! FRANTiK Productions From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 07:05:49 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA10552; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:05:49 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA10544; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:05:46 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0rfUFh-0000LDC; Fri, 17 Feb 95 09:05 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: I'm out To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 09:05:48 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 161 off the list for a week until the signal - noise ratio goes back into a mode I can tolerate ... see y'all at Bambi's if you're planning on attending - stevenJ From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 07:12:46 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA11002; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:12:46 -0800 Received: from comp.uark.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA10994; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:12:43 -0800 Received: (from wgrubbs@localhost) by comp.uark.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id JAA07997; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 09:12:40 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 09:12:39 -0600 (CST) From: "Wesley R. Grubbs" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: 100% MORE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk 2*25*95 A Unity Tribe Production presents... 100% MORE in Fayetteville, Arkansas ANEVERLASTINGMINDTWISTINGASTRALPROJECTINGULTRASONICLOVEVIBRATINGVENT djs are: Clueless Kringe Mr. Smith Frog-E 10 pac Lockjaw Sam I A.M. Smart Bar's provided by: Elixer Fix #'s are: (501) 575-1832 (501) 575-3373 From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 07:18:27 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA11345; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:18:27 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA11336; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:18:24 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA14063 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 10:18:23 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 10:19:20 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950217101920.20a0c0d8@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: Miles-"In my defense." Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The other day I posted a note that basically said how happy I was that we have this forum to discuss certain topics and issues. I've talked with a friend who is not on the net about how great it is that people can get on this thing and share ideas. Why? Because in the end whether or not your offended by a list of jokes or turned off certain negative remarks either by myself or others I believe that it only serves to make us all think. Hence forming better, more thoughtfull, responsible and knowledgeable citizens. (I suppose If I want to do that then I should subscribe to the BETTER_CITIZENS discussion list. Eh?) I probably did get out of hand when it came to the AGE issue a while ago however. I felt the need to vent for whatever reasons and I did and will again appologize, that was unnecessary. I was however speaking for a lot of us older people that I know who are not happy with the way the Techno scene has gone. But thats besides the point. No one on this lists knows me except for IAN so none of you know how nice of a person I am. I do enjoy playing devils advocate to provoke thought. Sometimes I think when things get so mushy like this list tends to, I like to inject a bit of cycnism to bring things more to the center. The world is not all about peace love and harmony. I guess if this lists is supposed to be an escape from reality then excuse me. But I suppose I prefer reality. Well before I self-impose a MW_RAVES ban on myself for the length of a week. Sorry no longer. Here are the results of the VOTE. Out of 22 voters 18 OPEN 4 CLOSED Bye, Miles From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 07:32:13 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA12064; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:32:13 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA12057; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:32:09 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA17167 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 10:32:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 10:33:06 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950217103306.20a0d404@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: Me, Miles "One More Thing" Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I really thought that if you didn't like what someone posts then you just delete it. Thats what I do. Bye, Miles From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 07:35:16 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA12208; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:35:16 -0800 Received: from oistrakh.msen.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA12201; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:35:13 -0800 Received: from garnet.msen.com (garnet.msen.com [148.59.1.11]) by oistrakh.msen.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA11683 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 10:35:10 -0500 Received: by garnet.msen.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0rfUi6-0013IlC; Fri, 17 Feb 95 10:35 EST Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 10:35:10 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Walker X-Sender: marmoset@garnet.msen.com To: Midwest Raves List Subject: No flames at all (was Re: can't we all be friends ?) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > p.s. sorry to sound off the topic of this mailing list > > but does anyone have anything interesting to talk about that > > pertains to...raves? > > Well, I know I'd much rather talk about the trance and hyper-chill stuff > I've been doing and how I'd like to get some more live PAs to put people > into another area code entirely, but the S/N ratio on here has been > suffering a bit lately...and annoyingly. Uh, well, here's some music talk, at least. I picked up "Aphex Twin Classics" last weekend, and it's very worth having for anyone who missed out on all the R&S singles the first time. I'm listening to "Digeridoo" right now, and thinking how it could be retitled "Ode to Resonant Filters" (I still love it, though) :) It's about $20 depending on where you find it, which is a pretty good deal when you figure that most of the tracks on this have been selling for outrageous collector-scum prices for a while. Anyway, lots of great tracks here, if you're interested in music that bangs like some gigantic malfunctioning machine, but thoughtfully... "Digeridoo", "Flaphead", "Polynomial-C", "Dodecaheedron", etc. ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@msen.com absolutely sweat, marie Dave Walker From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 07:40:32 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA12503; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:40:32 -0800 Received: from oistrakh.msen.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA12492; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:40:28 -0800 Received: from garnet.msen.com (garnet.msen.com [148.59.1.11]) by oistrakh.msen.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA11875 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 10:40:26 -0500 Received: by garnet.msen.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0rfUnD-0013ItC; Fri, 17 Feb 95 10:40 EST Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 10:40:27 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Walker X-Sender: marmoset@garnet.msen.com To: Midwest Raves List Subject: Re: Gotta have the REAL THING, THE REAL THING... In-Reply-To: <199502162347.SAA00634@detroit.freenet.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 16 Feb 1995, Ian Malbon wrote: > 1) SWITCH nasal output. Anybody else find that SWITCH employed > the most agressive fog blasting in recent motown history? > I don't want to offend, but I was seriously affected by > overproduction and residue. |:) > And I'm sure that our new friends from toronto did a lot > of wax-washing the next day, too. Darkness should be unseen, > and unsmelled too. Anyone agree? Yeah, I hate to think about what we were breathing there. One guy in the line for the bathroom swore that there was asbestos in the air (I don't know, I don't know what it looks/smells like). Anyway, I came away from that party with the second biggest layer of crud on my clothes/body that I'd ever picked up at an indoor party (second to 2008 in St. Louis). ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@msen.com freeke robot luv From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 07:49:07 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA13038; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:49:07 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA13021; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 07:49:03 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.203.92]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13849; Fri, 17 Feb 95 07:50:50 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06195; Fri, 17 Feb 95 07:50:48 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25010; Fri, 17 Feb 95 09:50:28 CST Date: Fri, 17 Feb 95 09:50:28 CST Message-Id: <9502171550.AA25010@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: Re: Miles-"In my defense." Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Miles, don't self-impose sanctions on yourself (one week out of mw-raves?!? are you crazy?!? only stevenj can do that!), just chill... I will not judge you by the posts you made to the list this week cauz it wouldn't be relevant, but from the various private e-mails you sent me I know that negativity is not your goal. Many of us had bad weeks (including myself) and got in trouble with the list, but the list is very forgiving (I think because the majority of the members are totally fried and don't remember shit after a week :P *duck*). The week of the 13th of february 1995 will stay in the anals (that's a word in french, I hope it's the same in english :) as a week when lotsa mw-ravers were fiesty and taking things way to seriously... I thought it was actually very interesting and we do need that sometimes... bambi nib@dlogics.com GLOBAL WARMING SATURDAY (312) 918 9087 From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 08:11:52 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA14334; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 08:11:52 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA14325; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 08:11:46 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA21005; Fri, 17 Feb 95 10:13:16 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id KAA04787; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 10:09:04 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24269; Fri, 17 Feb 95 10:10:44 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05401; Fri, 17 Feb 95 10:10:44 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502171610.AA05401@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Kurtosis' Life View (rave content sorta) To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 95 10:10:43 CST Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: ; from "stevenJ" at Feb 17, 95 9:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is for thought, most people have sent in bios at one point in time or another, i may have, i may have not - I don't remeber - but this is a more detailed one. Please read it - hopefully it will you help understand me so, and hopefully give you a different insight on how the world works and maybe it will make your existance better, maybe it won't please ignore my horrible grammer/spelling or *WARNING THIS DOCUMENT IS IN KURT-SPEAK* or *beauvior - sartre - quine - and nozichk fight it out* The meaning of life, or how i (briefly) view the world and everything in it. ------------------------------------------ Listen, the world only exists in your mind. There is only one world - and that is the world as you precieve it. A nuecular bomb could be droping on New York this instant - and for other worlds (beings) it would be happening at that moment - but since that event is external to my current situation in space/time - I do not know that this event has happened until somehow the idea enters into my world. New york doesn't get blown up until I know about it. If this happened 5 mininutes (whatever that is) ago - and I had not yet heard of it - new york would still be new york as I last precieved it, not a gutted-bombed out new york as it would currently stand in space time (you might argue that it *is* a bombed out gutted new york but we won't get into that! :) but it still is the new york that I have concieved it to be. Nothing happens until a being becomes aware of an idea (everything is just that an idea (i'll explain in a bit.) Everything is static - unless you are currently observing it. now how is this so? we know that the world is constantly changing - people/animals/beings are moving about - buildings are going up - trees are growing (not around here too cold!) - things are happening. Now the main argument against this static sort of model is this: lets say I'm at a coffee shop, now 15 minutes before it closes I leave, there are still people I know in there and they will leave at the close in fifteen minutes, so when I return home a half hour later - will they still be in the coffee shop? The answer is yes until your mind processes the information that thye must have left. you alter the world through your thinking. Once you have a thought (consiuos of unconsious) that alters the world. Every action you take, every though you have, everything you do say or think alters the world in some way. Becuase the world only exists as your preception - everything that happens in your beaner up there changes and alters it. on the same token you are directly responsible for not only your own good, but the good of the world, and everything in it. what is good? This is a touch more complex. Everything that happens in the world is a choice. I choose to pick up a pen - or I choose not to, this is the choice - me move through the world in a constant series of choices - do I want to dance to this housey song? yes ok which foot first? should I do a spin now? some choices are subconsious (think of the millions of choices made when dancing) but they are still choices none the less, choices allow you to move forward through time space - or more appropriately they allow you to move the world in your mind forward, by altering and updating it. so what does good have to do with choice. well there is only one choice - the choice you made, and that is the good. It is the good, because in your evalualtion of your choices you choose that one to be the most suited for the world, and the most correct for the world - and thusly it is good for the world. What is evil than you say? I don't know - frankly it doesn't exist - or at least I cannot commit it - because I am choosing the best choice for the world each time I choose something (remebere the world exists in your mind) - now what about jerffery dalhmer or somebody like that - well I can view him (or atleast my preception of him for he was his own world till well an accident happened) as bad because his choices are not the ones I view as being best for the world, nor the choices I would have made but in his world he was good - because those were the choices he felt best for the world. what about other people - basically othere people are as you precieve them. and thats all they are is a preception, they exist in your world, only as you view them existing. Everything they say, do, act is preceieved by you as you make a choice about how to precieve them. a butterfly flapping its wings in inner-city chicago affects the weather in china. this is the basic underlying constraints upon the world, you are responsible for everything in it - because it is you. now what about language. Well every word has two meanings. A core meaning - and a world meaning. You as a child are an instantly created world, that is empty and vast - eventually you place shapes and objects into this world, and you have a sense or precieve that there is a series of sounds atached with each peice of the that object, eventually we immitate that series of sounds and attach it to the object - thus being able to comprehend and cast the object on to the world This is the core meaning of a word. It is the basis of an object - the other meaning is this: what do you think of when some one says "dictonary" - in other words describe a dictonary. Everyone of us has a differnt image of a dictonary - I think of a two volume oxford english dictonary which you have to read with a small magnifying glass - also I pitcure it on top of a shelf in the basement of my parents home. Bambi may think of a french-english dictonary, ragtag and faded from over-use - what I'm getting at is that every word has a different meaning for every being. yes there is a core meaning - but outside of the core meaning is a more important meaning which is defined differently for your world. this all holds true for raves - raves exist in your world, and happen as you precieve them . Its that preception point that is important. The rave can only be as good (for your self and others since everything you do affects the entier world) as you precieve it. So by enjoying your self, emittin energy and vibe - and choosing to smile and positively affect the world by giving it your energy, the rave will be better and the world will be better for it. sorry that ended lamely - I have real work to do :) --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 08:25:16 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA14970; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 08:25:16 -0800 Received: from gold.tc.umn.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA14958; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 08:25:12 -0800 Received: from dialup-1-57.gw.umn.edu by gold.tc.umn.edu; Fri, 17 Feb 95 10:02:30 -0500 From: "Kirk Mona" Reply-To: "Kirk Mona" To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Gotta have the REAL THING, THE REAL THING... Message-Id: <2f44c897364d002@gold.tc.umn.edu> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 95 10:02:35 -0500 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > > 1) SWITCH nasal output. Anybody else find that SWITCH employed > > the most agressive fog blasting in recent motown history? > > I don't want to offend, but I was seriously affected by > > overproduction and residue. |:) > > I wasn't at SWITCH, but in general I'm not a fan of the whole fog > blast/dry ice thing. Reminds me of old Quiet Riot videos more than > raving...plus it's bad if you have trouble breathing. Down with fog! > > Stu 8) Sorry, I love fog. Love the smell love how you can't see two inches infront of your face. It totally deprives you of everything accept a general glow of light and the pulse of bass carrying you away on your little cloud. The total floud of fog is annoying if it lasts long but fog in general is almost necessary if you have lights. I do alot of work with lights. especially concerts. Without fog all you see is a colored spot on the ground. With fog you get a brilliant and beautiful shaft of light. Ya I've gotten that raver snot thing before but I think that's *smoke* residue not *fog* residue. And if you'r skin feels oily that because the promoter or light person is cheap and is suing an oil based fog. This king of fog is *really* bad for equipment and records. One of my friends had to take in a keyboard for a couple of hundred dollars of repairs b/c someone was being cheap and using oil based fog. I don't know about other states but I'm pretty sure that here in Minnesota it's illegal to use an oil based fog just because the stuff is so harmful & nasty. Oh ya and if the heat plate in a fog machine gets too hot the oil spray coming out can catch fire. That another reason fire marshals hate raves. Thin oil mist on everything and no fire exits. *Yeah a rave related topic* For my 2 cents on the sexism thing I think the 100 post was more of an insult to men saying look how dumd they and their testosterone are. Satire anyone? Someone esle was right when they said it could be called "100 reasons why men are so dumb." Love to all Kirk Mona | "We shall never be able to remove suspicion and fear monax002@gold.tc.umn.edu | as potential causes of war until communication is student of many things | permitted to flow, free and open, across kmona | international borders." -Harry S. Truman -Are we there yet harry?- From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 08:37:03 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA15718; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 08:37:03 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA15709; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 08:37:00 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.203.92]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14338; Fri, 17 Feb 95 08:38:45 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07581; Fri, 17 Feb 95 08:38:43 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28371; Fri, 17 Feb 95 10:38:23 CST Date: Fri, 17 Feb 95 10:38:23 CST Message-Id: <9502171638.AA28371@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Kirk Mona" From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: Re: Gotta have the REAL THING, THE REAL THING... Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yeah, I LOVE fog too, in reasonable quantity and if I'm not right near the machine when it spits its stuff out. And there is some pretty good harmless fog juice out there. I'll take a simple fog machine / strobe light / 2 Vertigo light set-up (total cost new: $650 approx.) over a laser show / 10 intellibeams / 20 film loops anytime... I don't like it when it's too bright, and it often is... for example at Solar, it was too fuckin bright, especially when the half-dozen intellibeams were on "white light" mode for 2 minutes in a row. IMHO, you cannot go wrong using fog/strobe, and the money you save can go into the sound system... bambi nib@dlogics.com From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 09:14:23 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA18029; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 09:14:23 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA18024; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 09:14:20 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.203.92]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14769; Fri, 17 Feb 95 09:16:09 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08855; Fri, 17 Feb 95 09:16:07 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29702; Fri, 17 Feb 95 11:15:45 CST Date: Fri, 17 Feb 95 11:15:45 CST Message-Id: <9502171715.AA29702@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: pre-party @ bambi's saturday (update) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk SATURDAY FEB. 18th, 1995 ======================== * GLOBAL WARMING * another FREE bring-your-own-goodies little gathering ======================== (312) 918 9087 yup that's right... this saturday evening, starting at 7pm and going on until people leave to TranceLogic or to LiquidSex and maybe later... sound will be pumping at bambi's. DJs so far include: Mike Dearborn Adam Bambi DJ Spore (yup, our own stevenj) James Anthony (really good) come and meet your fellow mw-ravers / vravers and other freaks... directions are as follow: the address is 1441 W. BlackHawk St. in the CoachHouse. It's about two blocks north and two blocks east of Ashland/Division/Milwaukee. If you're coming from I94, exit on Division. Go West on Division to the next stoplight (between two gas station) and make a right (north) on Noble. Go to the second stop sign and make a left on BlackHawk. After the next intersection you'll see on your left a big blue/gey wooden house marked 1441 with a side-yard. At the end of the side-yard there's a very old-looking grey-brick coachhouse (you can see it from the street) with a blue door. Go quietly thru the side yard to that door and ring the bell a few times... From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 09:22:36 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA18453; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 09:22:36 -0800 Received: from grog.lab.cc.wmich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA18446; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 09:22:34 -0800 Received: from s12.lab.cc.wmich.edu (s12.lab.cc.wmich.edu [141.218.38.22]) by grog.lab.cc.wmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA02618 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:22:31 -0500 Received: (99benne4@localhost) by s12.lab.cc.wmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA00571; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:22:26 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:22:22 -0500 (EST) From: BENNETT AARON <99benne4@lab.cc.wmich.edu> Subject: words and phrases To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk actually bambi its annals, not anals :) :) aaron bennett. western mich university-kalamazoo 99benne4@lab.cc.wmich.edu From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 09:33:34 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA19144; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 09:33:34 -0800 Received: from ux5.cso.uiuc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA19137; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 09:33:31 -0800 Received: by ux5.cso.uiuc.edu id AA17391 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Fri, 17 Feb 1995 11:33:29 -0600 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 11:33:29 -0600 (CST) From: alvarez bob To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: tapes... Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I have been informed by the good people at MushGroove, Chicago that they now have availiable mix tapes from Hap-E-Vibes and Frank Vega. The tapes are high-bias quality, 100 minutes long. On the A side you can hear the Hardcore sounds of Hap-E-Vibes, with plenty of unreleased tracks in the mix. On the B-Side is a mix given by Frankie Vega cuttin up the deepest, phattest Trax (House). All mix tapes are $5 + postage, and availiable through Hot Jams records or directly through MushGroove. For more info, call 312.509.6869, or leave a message here. Thanx. From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 09:34:50 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA19251; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 09:34:50 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA19246; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 09:34:46 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by AC.GRIN.EDU (PMDF V4.3-9 #4381) id <01HN5KOG32S08Y8PSL@AC.GRIN.EDU>; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 11:33:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 11:33:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) Subject: lights and sound To: MW-RAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Message-id: <01HN5KOG32S28Y8PSL@AC.GRIN.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk basically, building off fog... I like fog, a few strobes (flashing so they AREN'T in my eyes, thankyouverymuch) and a few vipers...minimalism...I have to agree with Bambi, Parties have started getting WAY TO BRIGHT!! If I wanted to see you, I'd have you over for tea, right? I think to WAY back...my first party just had 2 strobes (Parallel Universe, Chicago Il., may 7, 92)....and then there was Kurts party (FULL MOON) which just had a film loop, and that was phat as hell too....more money in SOUND (I like walls of bass...I'm a peon of bass...it makes me move, it's like sex, just with a lesser risk of infection) and minimal lighting...simple, the way it was ment to be... TIgger (g e n e r a t i n g l o v e) From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 10:06:28 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA21291; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 10:06:28 -0800 Received: from mmg2.im.med.umich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA21280; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 10:06:24 -0800 Received: (from ianmac@localhost) by mmg2.im.med.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) id NAA19283; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 13:15:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 13:15:33 -0500 (EST) From: Ian MacLachlan To: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Miles-"In my defense." In-Reply-To: <950217101920.20a0c0d8@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just in case anyone who DOES know me is wondering: On Fri, 17 Feb 1995 MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com wrote: > > No one on this lists knows me except for IAN so none of you know how nice of a > person I am. I do enjoy playing devils advocate to provoke thought. Sometimes I > think when things get so mushy like this list tends to, I like to inject a bit etc Unless I am very much mistaken I am not the IAN that Miles is refering to here. Just in case.... ;) Ian MacLachlan....... PEACE and play some more music.... From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 10:25:22 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA22498; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 10:25:22 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA22493; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 10:25:19 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA25305; Fri, 17 Feb 95 12:26:40 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id MAA08203; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:22:32 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00290; Fri, 17 Feb 95 12:24:14 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05622; Fri, 17 Feb 95 12:24:14 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502171824.AA05622@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: lights and sound To: CAMMARAT@AC.GRIN.EDU (Anthony G Cammarata) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 95 12:24:14 CST Cc: MW-RAVES@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <01HN5KOG32S28Y8PSL@AC.GRIN.EDU>; from "Anthony G Cammarata" at Feb 17, 95 11:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } Kurts party (FULL MOON) which just had a film loop, and that was phat as hell } too....more money in SOUND (I like walls of bass...I'm a peon of bass...it actually it had a film loop going in one direction and lasers shooting the opposite direction - the thing was the film loop went right through the middle of the dance floor - so the loop was on the people, and not just an image on the wall - the people made the image of the loop. More important than what type of lights you have is where you put them. you can have n numbers of intella-beams (or better yet allstarts :) but if you don't place them right (the lights at solar where terrible positioned imho) then its a detractor not an addition --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 11:11:59 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA25604; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 11:11:59 -0800 Received: from grfn.ORG by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA25598; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 11:11:56 -0800 Received: from freenet.grfn.org by grfn.ORG (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1) id OAA05434; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 14:10:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 14:10:00 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan Hines To: Kurt Vile cc: Anthony G Cammarata , MW-RAVES@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: lights and sound In-Reply-To: <9502171824.AA05622@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 Feb 1995, Kurt Vile wrote: > More important than what type of lights you have is where you put them. > you can have n numbers of intella-beams (or better yet allstarts :) but > if you don't place them right (the lights at solar where terrible positioned > imho) then its a detractor not an addition I agree fully....several parties i've been to have been pitch black with strobes everywhere....to me, this is just wrong, because you *can't see shit*! (especially when the strobes are perfectly timed to go off in random order, no two at once) i like the darkness, but being able to see where i am going is always nice....maybe black once in a while but...hmm..not for the whole thing (anyone who was at Spastik prolly knows what i mean) $ .02 =) ryan. tr909@grfn.org From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 11:50:40 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA28130; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 11:50:40 -0800 Received: from lulu.acns.nwu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA28124; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 11:50:36 -0800 From: yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu Received: by lulu.acns.nwu.edu (1.37.109.11/20.3) id AA272810633; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 13:50:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199502171950.AA272810633@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Subject: trance logic To: MW-RAVES@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 13:50:33 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 313 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I should be there and I'll be looking forward to meeting all you net people (I hope). I'll be wearing a purple Apollo shirt with a glow in the dark skull on the back. Unless I took it of because its too hot then I'll have a thight black and blue shirt on. Come up and say Hi if you see me. peace fantasia From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 12:05:32 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA29001; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:05:32 -0800 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA28995; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:05:29 -0800 Received: by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.9/2.2) id UAA20579; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 20:06:23 GMT Message-Id: <199502172006.UAA20579@mixcom.mixcom.com> Subject: I'm outta' here... To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 14:06:22 -40975532 (CST) From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1320 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Due to my continued lack of income, I can't afford net access any longer and won't have any hardware to log on with, anyway. I've unsubbed to the list, the acid mailboxes should still work, but I won't be logging on. I should be back on by mid-March. Andrew will be doing the calendar in my absence. Send all that stuff to him. The mw-raves-cal@acid.com file should still work, but obviously it won't be updated until I can get back online. And as for the recent bout of 'tude on the list... I'm completely confident in the list's ability to be self-policing and have faith in people's ability to see people for who they are. I'd like to think that if people have a problem with someone, they take to (and keep it in) private e-mail, though. We're all different, interpret and express ourselves differently, and hopefully have enough intelligence to realize this about each other. When all's said and done, we have each other and not much else. Remember that. Love you kids. I _mean_ that. Proposed itenerary: Fri Feb 17 Indianapolis Nocturna Fri Feb 24 Louisville FUK Sat Feb 25 Indianaplis Heartland Fri Mar 3 Milwaukee FUK pre-party Sat Mar 4 Milwaukee FUK Sat Mar 18 Chicago Intellect -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com, archon@hyperreal.com From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 12:57:05 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA02026; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:57:05 -0800 Received: from selene.wright.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA02013; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 12:57:02 -0800 Received: from discover.wright.edu (discgate.wright.edu) by selene.wright.edu (PMDF V4.3-10 #2485) id <01HN5TRPAWLS000R75@selene.wright.edu>; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 15:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ericson (ericson.wright.edu) by discover.wright.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20917; Fri, 17 Feb 95 15:54:25 EST Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 15:54:25 -0500 (EST) From: s005kxm@discover.wright.edu (KOUROSH MORADMAND) Subject: net-connection @ VGER To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <9502172054.AA20917@discover.wright.edu > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The elemental from Columbus will be setting up the chill area, and the net connection. Kourosh, illuminators From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 13:14:04 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA03196; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 13:14:04 -0800 Received: from ATK.COM by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA03183; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 13:13:59 -0800 Received: from gateway1 by ATK.COM (8.6.9/8.6.9) id PAA19076; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 15:13:24 -0600 Message-Id: <199502172113.PAA19076@ATK.COM> Date: 17 Feb 1995 15:15:51 -0600 From: "Brian Sequira" Subject: Comps ?? To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Subject: Comps ?? anyone know where i could get ahold of Chris Sheppard's Compilations, preferably mastered on CD? he's out of Canada, but i'm looking for US supplers. sorry if this doesn't fit mw-raves, but someone out there maybe has some. 'bEAk' peace always --for the ultimate in techno/ambient music -watch for bass8 From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 13:25:28 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA03809; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 13:25:28 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA03800; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 13:25:24 -0800 From: MaxximumSL@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA152376291; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 16:24:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 16:24:52 -0500 Message-Id: <950217145559_24571159@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Trance Logic 2 party. Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >From what I know, The Trance Logic 2 tour has been put together by Logic Records in New York. It is put together for the release of their Trance, yes, Trance CD. So, my question is, why are there 9 House DJ's and only one Trance DJ at one of the Trance Logic Party. Does this sound stupid, or the promoter did not understand the word TRANCE. Just an opinion. French E Beth and Cruel Dave. pEace and out, French E From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 13:32:16 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA04370; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 13:32:16 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA04363; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 13:32:12 -0800 From: Cyaxares@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA16160; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 16:31:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 16:31:42 -0500 Message-Id: <950217161733_24655843@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Intellibeams Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey out there--Just curious, but how do intellibeams work in sync with each other? Is there always a mixer-guy controlling them? Is it some sort of network that you can plug in as many as you want??? Also, how much do they cost (about?) I just think they're totally rad and I want 12+ of them in my apartment. =8-) c y a x a r e s From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 14:07:48 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA06748; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 14:07:48 -0800 Received: from UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA06741; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 14:07:44 -0800 Received: from jinx.umsl.edu by UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 17 Feb 95 16:07:58 CST Received: by jinx.umsl.edu (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA29452; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 16:07:48 -0600 From: s937078@jinx.umsl.edu (COOPER) Message-Id: <9502172207.AA29452@jinx.umsl.edu> Subject: Cancelation notice To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (post mw-raves) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 16:07:47 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 434 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello, The party on Friday, 2.17.95 at my house has been cancelled. Wally and the Innerplane Records guys in Columbia, MO are having a party in Columbia tonight instead. Email me or wally@hyperreal.com for more info. I'm going to stay in St. Louis, so those of you who emailed me about coming to St. Louis tonight are still welcome to come over, hang out, and crash here.. see you later...hpe to see many of you at FUK.. pixel From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 15:54:02 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA12520; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 15:54:02 -0800 Received: from UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA12498; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 15:53:53 -0800 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 15:53:53 -0800 Message-Id: <199502172353.PAA12498@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from [134.124.15.183] by UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 17 Feb 95 17:54:14 CST To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: Fleming@umslvma.umsl.edu ( ) X-Sender: FLEMING@umslvma.umsl.edu (Unverified) Subject: LoveGenerator Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk to all who attended love generator 95 yes the party was busted, yes the superstars screwed up , but a party was held in the same space the week before, there are 6 fire exits and the place has been gone over by fire marshall on several different occassions none of which has caused a bust, as far as permits, not a good idea not to have but never have we needed them before none of which excuses the lack of prep but then noone is perfect not even s. o. l. From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 15:54:04 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA12538; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 15:54:04 -0800 Received: from UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA12503; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 15:53:57 -0800 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 15:53:57 -0800 Message-Id: <199502172353.PAA12503@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from [134.124.15.183] by UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 17 Feb 95 17:54:15 CST To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: Fleming@umslvma.umsl.edu ( ) X-Sender: FLEMING@umslvma.umsl.edu (Unverified) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk to everyone who tried to go to love generator ok, the party got busted ok, sol didn't have the proper permits, ok they fucked up the space had beenb gone over several times by the fire marshall no probs. the space has six exits. police have allowed parties there several times, no permits true yet never before needed. this doesn't excuse not having them yet is not unforgivable everyone screws up. i for one can remember love generator 94, 2008, ritual, lovedelic garden, and what great parties they were, the fact remains s.o.l. has given the best of st louis parties to use , and i expect still will in the future. ' From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 15:54:05 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA12540; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 15:54:05 -0800 Received: from UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA12511; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 15:53:58 -0800 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 15:53:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199502172353.PAA12511@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from [134.124.15.183] by UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Fri, 17 Feb 95 17:54:16 CST To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: Fleming@umslvma.umsl.edu ( ) X-Sender: FLEMING@umslvma.umsl.edu (Unverified) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk to everyone who tried to go to love generator ok, the party got busted ok, sol didn't have the proper permits, ok they fucked up the space had beenb gone over several times by the fire marshall no probs. the space has six exits. police have allowed parties there several times, no permits true yet never before needed. this doesn't excuse not having them yet is not unforgivable everyone screws up. i for one can remember love generator 94, 2008, ritual, lovedelic garden, and what great parties they were, the fact remains s.o.l. has given the best of st louis parties to use , and i expect still will in the future. ' From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 17:25:08 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id RAA17188; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 17:25:08 -0800 Received: from grunt.ksu.ksu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA17182; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 17:25:05 -0800 Received: from abc.ksu.ksu.edu by grunt.ksu.ksu.edu (8.6.8/1.34) id TAA13990; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 19:25:06 -0600 From: feynman@ksu.ksu.edu (.gko.) Received: by abc.ksu.ksu.edu (8.6.8/1.34) id TAA22637; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 19:25:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199502180125.TAA22637@abc.ksu.ksu.edu> Subject: fuk@st.louis.mo To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com (Rave List) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 19:25:04 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 348 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anyone grovin' their way to St. Louis this weekend? gecko -- "If you're not part of the ( ._ _ \/ _ problem...you're getting ) | |(/_/\|_|_> ...Promoting Digital Thinking... screwed by the problem." ( THE cyber-future-phreak-industrial-web site. - Dudley ) http://www.cis.ksu.edu/~psiber/nexus.html From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 17 18:32:14 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id SAA19530; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 18:32:14 -0800 Received: from blue.engin.umich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA19519; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 18:32:10 -0800 Received: (lpawl@localhost) by blue.engin.umich.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id VAA19695; Fri, 17 Feb 1995 21:32:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 1995 21:26:52 -0500 (EST) From: lpawl Subject: Re: Gotta have the REAL THING, THE REAL THING... To: Dave Walker cc: Midwest Raves List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk the packard plant is apparently condemned...lease owners cannot renew the lease...its gotta be raised twenty feet under! my dad grew up in hamtown (which is directly north of the packard) and said he worked there in high school, and had that same residue shit in his nose and hair and everything back then. He called it "slag" as in metal shaveing which have been mixed w/ some "white liquid" to keep it from flying all over. obviously, tho, dancing sure as hell makes it fly. no, its no asbestos. just toxic waste leftover from some sort of industrial machinery. made me sick too. anyway, i thought you should know this. I'm not going through toxic risk at the packard ever-again, unless its some insanely great party... (like one with mills, c. young, and may) ;) .o jason On Fri, 17 Feb 1995, Dave Walker wrote: > On Thu, 16 Feb 1995, Ian Malbon wrote: > > > 1) SWITCH nasal output. Anybody else find that SWITCH employed > > the most agressive fog blasting in recent motown history? > > I don't want to offend, but I was seriously affected by > > overproduction and residue. |:) > > And I'm sure that our new friends from toronto did a lot > > of wax-washing the next day, too. Darkness should be unseen, > > and unsmelled too. Anyone agree? > > Yeah, I hate to think about what we were breathing there. One guy in the > line for the bathroom swore that there was asbestos in the air (I don't > know, I don't know what it looks/smells like). Anyway, I came away from > that party with the second biggest layer of crud on my clothes/body that > I'd ever picked up at an indoor party (second to 2008 in St. Louis). > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > dave walker, detroit art services _ > marmoset@msen.com freeke robot luv > > > From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 18 03:46:13 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id DAA08820; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:46:13 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id DAA08807; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 03:46:05 -0800 From: Cyaxares@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA114078576; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 04:56:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 04:56:16 -0500 Message-Id: <950216010242_22907909@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: CHI this SAT:Which rave? Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Nicolas Bamberski mentioned two raves in Chicago this sat (TranceLogic and Stellar). Any recommendations on one or the other? Also- I need Vmail numbers since I don't have either of the flyers!! My girlfriend and I MIGHT be driving down from MKE if either are worth it. Any likely locations? c y a x a r e s C C C-Catch the Wave! (Max Headroom) From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 18 08:23:51 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA15193; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:23:51 -0800 Received: from infochi.infochi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA15188; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 08:23:45 -0800 Received: by infochi.infochi.com id AA14765 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 10:25:01 -0600 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 11:22:54 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Shea Subject: Re: lights and sound To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <01HN5KOG32S28Y8PSL@AC.GRIN.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 17 Feb 1995, Tigger wrote: > basically, > building off fog... > I like fog, a few strobes (flashing so they AREN'T in my eyes, > thankyouverymuch) and a few vipers...minimalism...I have to agree with Bambi, > Parties have started getting WAY TO BRIGHT!! If I wanted to see you, I'd have > you over for tea, right? I think to WAY back...my first party just had 2 Understood. My main complaint with fog is not that it cuts off brightness, but rather that it makes it really hard for some people to breathe. There's got to be a way to keep the mystery there without stuffing people's lungs...ultimately with the dancing we all do at these parties, we ask our bodies to do too much anyway, and the combo of cigarette smoke and fog just makes it harder to respirate... guess I'm just a cranky old man. Stu From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 18 09:13:21 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA16904; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:13:21 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA16896; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:13:18 -0800 From: MaxximumSL@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA128967566; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 12:12:46 -0500 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 12:12:46 -0500 Message-Id: <950218121209_25436058@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Fog at a rave Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The FDA passed a law last summer concerning the use of fogue juice. Some companies still some fogue juice that irritates your lungs despite the new law. The fogue machine and juice that are legal are : F-100 by High systems w/ the atmosphere formula, stage formula and coldflow formula. (used in moderation) any fogue machine using water craking ($$$) Any fogue juice that are %100 water based and don't contain glycol derivatives Dry fogger using LN2 solenoid ($12000) Any fogue juice made by American DJ, Rosco, Gemini are illegal. To see if a fog juice is legal, set the fogue machine on the floor having the mouth piece pointing towards the floor. Us it for ten minutes. If you have residues on the floor, they are illegal. Those residues collect in your lungs. Not good. We use F-100 with the asmosphere formula. The only bad thing about it is that the juice is expensive. pEace and out. French E From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 18 09:20:32 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA17179; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:20:32 -0800 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA17174; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:20:29 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQydqj27936; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 12:20:27 -0500 Received: by iglou.iglou.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0rfsnz-0001zZC; Sat, 18 Feb 95 12:18 EST Message-Id: From: ajc@iglou.com (Anthony Cosco) Subject: restoration To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 12:18:51 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 120 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Restoration - what else can i say than it was a great party! Hope to see everyone at VGER tonite! =) -Anthony Cosco From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 18 09:59:51 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA18256; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:59:51 -0800 Received: from UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA18251; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 09:59:48 -0800 Message-Id: <199502181759.JAA18251@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from UMSLVMA by UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1119; Sat, 18 Feb 95 12:00:07 CST Received: from UMSLVMA (FLEMING) by UMSLVMA (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 8178; Sat, 18 Feb 95 12:00:07 CST Date: Sat, 18 Feb 95 11:58:28 CST From: Tim Fleming Subject: Apology To: MW-RAVES@TAZ.HYPERREAL.COM X-Acknowledge-To: Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk My apologies for the triple posting last time. I allowed someone else to use my account to post and there was a bit of a misunderstanding on how to use the POP mailer. Anyway, thanks. ************************************************************************ Tim Fleming Fleming@umslvma.umsl.edu Site Supervisor 314.516.6508 Office Instructional Computing 314.836.8449 Pager UM-St. Louis ************************************************************************ From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 18 13:38:08 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA27433; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:38:08 -0800 Received: from ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA27428; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 13:38:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199502182138.NAA27428@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU by ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2868; Sat, 18 Feb 95 16:37:44 EST Received: from ULKYVM (CJCLAR01) by ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 4915; Sat, 18 Feb 95 16:37:44 EST Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Sat, 18 Feb 95 16:37:28 EST From: Jason Clark Subject: VGER To: Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk (TITLE) PHONE: Does anyone have directions and/or price for VGER tonite? (coming from Louisville) Thanks, J-Sun From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 18 18:49:14 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id SAA09152; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 18:49:14 -0800 Received: from VIRGO.BSUVC.BSU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA09145; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 18:49:11 -0800 Received: from BSUVC.bsu.edu by BSUVC.bsu.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #6522) id <01HN7K4NZCUO984YUH@BSUVC.bsu.edu>; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 21:49:08 EST Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 21:49:08 -0500 (EST) From: 00rghollands@bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: The Dawn of a new era... To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HN7K4NZMHU984YUH@BSUVC.bsu.edu> X-VMS-To: MW MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk It is time for the mid-west to welcome the next level of organizing our gatherings. Things cannot remain the same. Change and change now is our only hope for survival. The current methods are our path to extinction. Look beyond where you are and what you expect to find your new niche in this next strata of trancendance. Concern yourself with this at once. I Love U From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 18 19:43:34 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA11452; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 19:43:34 -0800 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA11445; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 19:43:31 -0800 From: E1024@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA160365382; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 22:43:02 -0500 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 22:43:02 -0500 Message-Id: <950218224300_25844813@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: help with e Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Is there a way to tell bad e from good e?I have found usually that the wafers are better.I also checked out some that I bought a while back and it was pure synthetic thc, it said right on it THC 525. Which is used for psychological research on paranoid schitznophrenics(sp?). I checked this out in one of my mom's medical books (she is a nurse). Can anyone help me out , 'cause on new years' eve I wasted $50 on some crap that took about 2 hours to hit then only lasted 30 minutes. From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 18 20:32:35 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id UAA13314; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 20:32:35 -0800 Received: from tigerden.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA13306; Sat, 18 Feb 1995 20:32:29 -0800 Received: by tigerden.com id AA26508 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:33:26 -0500 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 1995 23:33:24 -0500 (EST) From: "D.A.C. Crowell" To: E1024@aol.com Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: help with e In-Reply-To: <950218224300_25844813@aol.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 18 Feb 1995 E1024@aol.com wrote: > Is there a way to tell bad e from good e?I have found usually that the wafers > are better.I also checked out some that I bought a while back and it was pure > synthetic thc, it said right on it THC 525. Which is used for psychological > research on paranoid schitznophrenics(sp?). I checked this out in one of my > mom's medical books (she is a nurse). Can anyone help me out , 'cause on new > years' eve I wasted $50 on some crap that took about 2 hours to hit then only > lasted 30 minutes. You paid $50 for a single dose...not even heroin is that expensive these days. Whenever I'm looking about for something in the chemical vein, I steer clear of people who have something utterly mindboggling for some exorbitant price. _Invariably_, what they're peddling is 101% unadulterated garbage. As for "pure unadulterated THC", it doesn't say THC 525 on it. The drug in question would be Marinol, which is used as a anti-nausea drug for some cancer patients. Marinol most certainly doesn't say this on it. My guess is that someone creative and unscrupulous has a pill press and a real need for a broken jaw...usually pill-form THC (which is pretty unstable stuff outside of refrigeration or the type of fixers in Marinol) is good ol' Mr Angel Dust. Great high, if you're into convincing yourself you can barehandedly tear your way through a car door. The garbage-grade chemicals that float around our scene are a real turn-off, people. If you know you're dealing with someone who's dealing stuff cut ghod only knows how, or if they're peddling $50 excusrions to a dry bank account and nothing else, then avoid these people. Tell others to avoid them. Don't patronize them ever again, and hope they eventually run across someone with a short fuse and a long baseball bat. There _are_ people out there with the Right Stuff. Find them and be happy. But please, _please_ avoid things which most anyone can see through as crapola. It does our scene no good...and does you worse. And please don't pass around the "True Shite" about chemicals...do some research first...there _are_ authoritative texts on the subject(s) out there that have the actual facts (and not the "facts" some paid-off FDA doc's come up with, either). Get them and use them if you intend to trip the light fantastic on a fairly regular basis. Just some advice, folks...it pains me to see people in our scene brickbatting themselves. Get knowledge, get real goods, get smilin'! <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\ "We have come to the edge of a world which D.A.C. Crowell |offers us the limits of the accessible, of the Audio Design and Programming |unpredictable; it must be possible for some- The Aerodyne Works |thing not of this world to find a way through, Champaign, IL, USA. |something that hitherto could not be found by dacc@tigerden.com |any radio station on this earth. Let us set <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>/ out to look for it!" --Karlheinz Stockhausen From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 19 09:30:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA05231; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 09:30:19 -0800 Received: from bronze.coil.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA05222; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 09:30:16 -0800 Received: from localhost (eluna@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) id MAA07596; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 12:31:22 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 12:31:20 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Luna To: mwraves Subject: vger review Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk =-=-=-gripe mode on=-=-=-= ok i am going to write this review as if i were not incredibly hurt by a bunch of midwest assholes who REALLY LET ME DOWN. i will save the gripes for after the review..."for the benefit of the list" altho that doesnt mean SHIT to me right now =-=-=-=happy raver mode on=-=-=-=- well vger proved again that illuminator's got it going on. despite the use of the same space as encounter in december, it was used very well and ari and kourosh made a real effort to make the place look different, including opening up the basement for use as an "ele mental" room...which didnt turn out at all but good music was heard down there anyways highlights: spencer kincy was phat! he had the mad skills on the house tip, and spun this amazing electro song by _maurizio_ that was released in 1983!!!!!!! diz in the second room was OH SO SMOOTH house...so much soul in that room i was goin off but watch out, cuz claude young TORE IT UP in the second room. after being BUMPED from the main room, he didnt bitch at all (like others might) and gladly slammed down some hard, fast detroit techno/traxx/house shit that fried my brain. mad properties. james christian and jon bishops sets i didnt pay much attention to, so no opinion +heh+ now if paul johnson wasnt already super high on my favorite dj list, he swiftly moved up near the top!!! this guy is THE SHIIIITTTTT. he does nothing flashy, just plays INCRREDIBBLLE music fom his own archives: dubplates, test pressings, etc...from hard house to traxx, to soul traxx, to hard ass techno...i gave him a test pressing of todd sines' new traxx record .xtrak and he loved it and spun it right away... SHIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTT uh uh u h u lkja;kgfm d.[po2lkf <<---incoherent sight of the night: paul johnson DANCING to rage's set in the second room...this was a picture-perfect scene...the room was kickin, paul and his friends were just in there jammin! right on rob!!! (rage) ok, robert armani didnt make it, he was in italy...doc was still in jail or something (fuck!), but louis bell spun instead, friends with paul j aahhh! another phat set! he spun last in the main room, as noise complaints forced a shutdown around 7 am...hell GOOD ENOUGH i missed most of dieselboy's shit unfortunately, i wanted to hear his new records! next time... met some net ppl and lots of others, i had a great time. =-=-=-=-gripe mode on=-=-=-=-= ok now i want to say something in all seriousness. this is directed at ALL the people who i yelled at to come eat some waffles in the basement. first of all, most of you are assholes. FUCK YOU. i dont want to spread negative vibe but i've had it with you shits. I FUCKING WORKED MY ****ASSSSSSS***** OFF FOR YOU SHITS to make waffles, something most people usually love, but like only 5 or 6 ppl out of over 50 that i yelled at even came down. those 5 or 6 are excluded from this tirade, you know who you are. FUCK THE REST OF YOU!!!!. i will NEVER NEVER EVER do a goddam thing for you fuckers again. you know who you are. ele mental has ALWAYS been totally dissed and underappreciated, from charles' FUSION tapes in which he WORKS HIS ASSSS OFF promoting other ppl's music getting nothing but his initial investment back, selling them at $5 INCLUDING POSTAGE and he has gotten *SCANTY* support on this mindless list. it's fucking pathetic. not to denigrate those that have enjoyed the two comps so far, you are the cru... but fuk you everyone else. what do you want??? to have it handed to you on a SILVER PLATTER????? another example: we did a party in december 93 that had DIESELBOY, HECKLE & JECKLE from detroit, BRIAN GILLESPIE, and ALL OF US ele mentals, two rooms of sound, and we charged **$3** for the whole damn thing. where were you all? it was WELL advertised on the net but no one came. im fucking sick of it. i didnt get to TOUCH a record last night, and it was supposed to be OUR ROOM. i dont really care but this ALWAYS HAPPENS. no more mr. pushover, im not going to bother to bring any music ever again cuz it aint worth it. and to you assholes who ignored me completely at vger, tell me one thing: how could i have made it clearer? i said "look everybody i am REALLY making food for everyone, and y'all should get down there to have a fuckin waffle or i'll kick some ass" did anyone take me seriously? should i have said they were FREE?!?!?!? i am really hurt by you sour asses. an "im sorry" would be nice but i'd like to see some ACTION. i work too hard to be dissed like this. =-=-=-=-gripe mode off=-=-=-=-=-=- "plur everybody!!!!" addendum: the plight of the indy crew is FAR more important than my tirade, email me privately dont clutter up the stupid list ++ e d e l e m e n t a l is now *dead* because its a waste of time From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 19 11:03:09 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA08958; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 11:03:09 -0800 Received: from UKCC.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA08951; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 11:03:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199502191903.LAA08951@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from UKCC.UKY.EDU by UKCC.uky.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0380; Sun, 19 Feb 95 14:02:29 EST Received: from ukcc.uky.edu (NJE origin THELME00@UKCC) by UKCC.UKY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1948; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 14:02:29 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 95 14:00:28 EST From: tim To: mw-raves@TAZ.HYPERREAL.COM Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk egg on my face for being ignorant, butttttt.... what's all this about Doc bein' in jail? the Indy crew get rounded up or what? if they ARE in jail, has anyone started to organize a bail-out fund or anything like that? they ARE purveyors of fine vibe and music you know, not to mention part of the fam... From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 19 11:09:54 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA09409; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 11:09:54 -0800 Received: from caa.mrs.umn.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA09401; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 11:09:51 -0800 From: RUNNELVR@CAB.MRS.UMN.EDU Received: from CAB.MRS.UMN.EDU by CAB.MRS.UMN.EDU (PMDF #2574 ) id <01HN8GFEV83490QSIG@CAB.MRS.UMN.EDU>; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 13:09:47 CST Date: 19 Feb 1995 13:09:47 -0600 (CST) Subject: mpls. this weekend? To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HN8GFEV83690QSIG@CAB.MRS.UMN.EDU> X-Envelope-to: mw-raves@hyperreal.com X-VMS-To: IN%"mw-raves@hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi. I was wondering if anyone went to Monsoon this weekend in Mpls.? I heard it got busted at 1AM. Does anyone know why? Could anyone give some specifics about the party? Oh yeah, and did anyone go to the house party called X-treme? Enquiring minds want to know! Thank-ee. +++victorEa+++ "Nudge, Nudge. Wink, Wink. Say no more!" -Monty Python- From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 19 11:20:36 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA09881; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 11:20:36 -0800 Received: from detroit.freenet.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA09872; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 11:20:32 -0800 Received: (from ae890@localhost) by detroit.freenet.org (8.6.9/869.2) id OAA26547; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 14:20:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 14:20:31 -0500 Message-Id: <199502191920.OAA26547@detroit.freenet.org> From: ae890@detroit.freenet.org (Ian Malbon) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Taking your PULSE... Reply-To: ae890@detroit.freenet.org Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Shouts out to the netravers in attendance: Raph (simply the most positive person I have ever witnessed, given his extreme sleep- deprived state!), and Jason. Sorry I was not up to chatting much, I think I was on the downhill side of a caffeine crash. :( But where were the others? Linda & I showed at around 1:30, so we missed the ol' standby for linking up. Mr. Walker? Mr. MacQueen? Mr. West? Nonetheless, saw quite a few non-WiReD familiar Detroit faces. And some serenely funkified, beautiful new aliens as well. Pre: Map-point was Spectacles. Much respect for the truly warm reception _everybody_ received. These people knew their role was to make sure folx got off to a good start. Very upbeat. (remember this if you're map-pointing...) And thanks for listing us Mark. Entry: out of a back alley, and into the soft glow of an oil bubble projection. This space has promise. It's the trad Detroit style *black box*. Two stacks, two strobes (like headlights, or giant cybotronic eyes?), a dash of color, and a box just big enough to move around in, but tight enough to hold a vibe. Up the right wall were stairs to the other *black box*, this one used as a combo chill space, funk attic, pharmacy, sex palace (i had to avert my eyes a few times ;) Music: started with a mix of house, old Detroit favorites, hard techno, all thrown into the mix by unrecognizable DJs. Sure, it felt like Juan, and Shake, and Eddie, but we couldn't _see_ any of them. The tables were elevated, under the stairwell, about 12 feet up, and set into a wall (almost club-like). Kinda frustrating, when I wanted to find out who launched into the new Jeff Mills stuff (loved it!). Volume seemed to drop at around 4am, and there was Ravus Interruptus at 6am (with no apparent reason, the choons stopped and everybody mosied upstairs or out). All in all, a fun place. Look forward to "envelope" next week. (p.s. I forgot, sexism, racism, ageism, and fog juice!) :) (p.p.s. Dave Walker is not kidding about Black Dog "Spanners"... ...oh muh gawd...) -- [::::::::::::::::::::] Therefore, I.M. [::::::::::::::::::::::::] [:::::::::::::::] ae890@detroit.freenet.org [:::::::::::::::::::] [:::::::] "Pulsora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis." [::::::::] From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 19 12:25:45 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA13394; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 12:25:45 -0800 Received: from cyclone.xnet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA13385; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 12:25:41 -0800 Received: by cyclone.xnet.com (8.6.9/XNet-1.2) id OAA23592; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 14:25:47 -0600 From: Jeff Davis Message-Id: <199502192025.OAA23592@cyclone.xnet.com> To: MWRaves Subject: FUK Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 14:17:46 -0600 X-Mailer: MacSOUP 1.0d4 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >From the beginning FUK was a tough event to feel relaxed about getting into the vibe. Despite my anticipation for getting FUKked, which was running high, something about the info-line announcing that the police would be in attendance at the event made me uneasy. Sure enough, as we arrived at the spot, a nice big warehouse near SL university, cops and firemarshals were in abundance as people were queued up waiting for the doors to be "allowed" to be opened. A highlight was a police video crew panning and videoing the queue. I'd love the hear the editiorial debrief in the SL 4th grade class that get's to watch the latest SL McGruff Crime Dog documentary video: "Be Brave, Don't Rave -- Just Say No, Or you'll end up with stars on your face and baggy pants..." Getting groped by one of SL's Finest on the way in was also a treat. They finally opened it up around 12:30. The undercover detectives that they warned us about were at least pretty obvious, guess jeans, joe weider protein eater builds and all..... The space was pretty sweet, decked out ala Spastik, w / black vinyl walls and ceiling. Nice clean set of stacks up by the DJ table. A few nice lights, but emphasis definitely on the muzik, where it should be. Matt's upstairs chillage loft was thick, with great ambience (w/ potent sound) and trippy oil lamps & vids. Despite repeated warnings that the man had a zero tolerance stance and would shut down the event for ANYthing illegal discovered, the chill loft was flagrant fragrant, sativa skunk style. Kikkoman got the vibe going right. He played a slammin' set of mostly hard trance interlaced with some acid. The crowd was havin' all of it they could get their hands on and the energy level seemed to build throughout his set, which was close to two hours. The floor concentration thickened rapidly, with nice contingencies of freestylers, stack humpers, and just happy people jackin'. Kikko seems better each time i see him. Richie finally mounted his weopons around 3:00, and the acid assault began. He immediately began to throw down wickedly intense hypnotic plastikman. The crowd responded instantly and began riding richie's waves. About 2 songs into his set, barney fife showed up on the stand and they made richie suddenly stop. A great deal of confusion and crowd bitch&moan and then that girl got up and explained, " we have all the permits, fire - lights - portapotties - etc., but we don't have a dance hall license. Therefore, the cops are going to shut us down unless we stop dancing. please sit down and enjoy the wonders of richie hawtin..." live plastikman, sitting down?????? the words cruel and unusual punishment quickly came to mind, but the crowd grudgingly promised teacher we'd do our best not to visibly groove and sat down so that richie could begin playing again. And he DID... A couple of songs later, it appeared that a suitable transaction had been consummated and now we could dance, as long as richie turned it down a little. We said Yippee and began to whirl and dervish frantically. ( I guess we only had our not-quite-so-loud music dancehall permit, not the slam-pound dance hall permit). Anyway, I couldn't detect any noticeable volume drop and we began grooving intensely. Grooving right up front, watching richie work his tricks was quite a treat. he pulled elements from trax off of sheet1,fuse and musik, but wove them together in a pretty improvisational style. Whatever he did, It worked. Each time he would let the 303 subside and you could see him cueing up a pattern on the 808, when he triggered and you actually felt the bass drum booming through your metabolism, the crowd just went nuts... He was a frenzy of activity and appeared pretty into it, despite the interruptions. On some of the filter sweeps, it looked like he would twist the knobs right off. He played for about an hour, worked the floor up to climax and then ended with a drum roll pattern that he gradually increased the speed on up to about 1200BPM (20Hz), where it was just a spine jellying throb. Then he was done, and life was good... Acquaviva then took to the 1200's and started off w/ some jazzy house. Apparently we didn't purchase the house music rider to our not-quite-so-loud music dancehall permit, and again we were instructed that if we wanted to continue to enjoy john's spinning, we had to sit down. What's the point? I then departed to the chill loft, which had become quited populated. If you have to sit down to listen to your music, I guess it's nice to have a bunch of couches. Pretty mellow vibe up there, despite the crowds. MH did a great job of vibing me down to a state where I could drive home (evansville, in), so I hung there for about 45. eventually, it got to the point where i was worried that we were exceeding the load limit of that attic, so i split about 5:00. I don't know if they ever allowed dancing again in the main room, but when I left, john was still spinning hard to a half full main room of mostly tripped out settees. Really seemd a shame to wast such good spinning with no dancing. All in all it was a good party, and I commend that girl for really playing the diplomat between the crowd and the fuzz. Some good maneuvering and effective crowd discipline probably allowed the event to go longer than it would have otherwise. Hi to all the cool people I met, i was the flipped guy w/ the AFX shirt who was giving out dried pinapples. The vibe was thick, I had a lot of fun, but you just couldn't help thinking that it would of been better if the SLPD hadn't had such a presence. Anyway, all I can think of now is getting FUKked again in loovel. hope to see all of you happy people there.... FUK the musik, give me the acid -- FUK the acid, give me the musik. peeeeeeeeeece, Jeff Davis ____--~~~~~~vvvv~~~~ oo 812.831.7846 jjdavis@xnet.com____---- ( ( ( vvvv ~~~~~~ooooooooooo ___----( ( \ \ \ \ \ vvv oooooooooooooo ____---- ( \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ vvooooooooooooooooooooo From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 19 14:48:59 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA19934; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 14:48:59 -0800 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA19929; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 14:48:56 -0800 Received: from dialup-2-102.gw.umn.edu by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Sun, 19 Feb 95 16:28:14 -0500 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 95 16:28:30 CST From: "fEEd" Message-Id: <70659.fEEd@maroon.tc.umn.edu> X-Minuet-Version: Minuet1.0_Beta_17 Reply-To: X-POPMail-Charset: English To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: I'm back.... Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, I am back on mwraves after a short leave. I Hope everyone is well..... Rob "The patch in fig. 2-23 gives the sound of a cracking whip. (Why don't you try to synthesize some screams to go along with it?)" - Roland Model 104 Sequencer Manual From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 19 16:51:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA25067; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 16:51:19 -0800 Received: from po6.andrew.cmu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA25061; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 16:51:16 -0800 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po6.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA21825; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 19:51:16 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 19:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs34.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 19:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs34.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 19:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.40.Nov..4.1993.10.34.00.sun4c.411.MacMail.0.9.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs34.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs34.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 19:50:43 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 19:50:43 -0500 (EST) From: Kenny Eng To: mwraves , pb-cle-raves@telerama.lm.com Subject: vger review In-Reply-To: References: Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this party was the bomb. it was my first dayton rave and second ohio party after last weekend's utopia in akron. i was really looking forward to this party, as i had recently read an interview with richie hawtin in which he said the best parties were in the midwest -- dayton, indianapolis and st.louis. needless to say i was pumped up for this one and it didn't let me down. wow. first off, thanks to ari and kourosh. i had sent one of them email requesting flyers to hand out in pittsburgh and i got them and dropped them off. when i got to the door, i told one of the girls there that i helped hand out flyers in pitts and asked if i could get in for reduced. she called over ari and ari let me in for free. thanks man!!! that set the night off right. got in and heard part of whoever went before dieselBoy. then dieselBoy came on and so did the jungle. his set was good, but not as good as his early morning jungle set at 5 am in the second room. wow. this set was so phat. all i could do was jump up and down in the air by the right set of speakers and then lie down on the ground, listening to his beautiful music. you had to hear it to believe it. one thing about this party was that it was a quality event. it's rare that you have an event with such a variety of dj's and styles. i loved it. i am so glad the illuminators bought one of my favorite djs' - james christian to dayton. he played his trademark hardhouse tracks. spencer kincy came on and i was pleasantly surprised as i have never heard of him. i think the second best set after dieselBoy's was jon bishop. i had read that he spun mellowhouse, but the tracks he spun were so hard. it got everyone rushing and i think it was at this time that the promoters turned up the volume in the room-- perfect timing, guys. the four corner sound was greatly appreciated, as was the bass bins in the middle. props to dayton. later kenny From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 19 18:52:59 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id SAA29937; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 18:52:59 -0800 Received: from netcom5.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA29931; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 18:52:56 -0800 Received: by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id SAA13671; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 18:52:51 -0800 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 18:52:51 -0800 (PST) From: Leonard Helton Subject: Short review of Trance Logic 2 and Bambi's pre-party To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk First stop for the evening was Bambi's for some pleasant conversation and nice tunes layed down by Adam and Mike Dearborn....Met some really nice people and got to chill in a nice huge loft type thing.....A nice little dance floor to groove til your little heart was content....... Next to the map point, where I got greeted by some some rather rude girrrll who only cared about grabbing my money out of my hand and avoiding all conversation.....Then to the space for all you ole time chicago people the congress theatre space was the spot Medusa's moved to after being kicked out of their original location...... The party: 1) Got my water confiscated 2) Was charged $2 for a very tiny bottle of water 3) They were selling alcohol 4) DJ's were elevated like gods above the dance floor 5) Great vibe 6) Met some VERY friendly ppl 7) Nice visuals, some very nice trippy vids goin on all over 8) Shitty, boring lighting (but I am a big fan of intellibeams, and there were none present) 9) Sound system seem to stuggle with the tall ceilings, the highs were lost completely and bass sounded more like rumbling thunder All in all i will never attend another Core party....I can't support money hungry bastards who pull what they did with the water....No it didn't break my bank, $2 ain't that much money. It is the idea of the whole thing....The scene is not supposed to be about, How can we make the most money....It is about providing some good music, in a nice space.... Core seems to have lost sight how to throw parties...... Very disappointed with that party.....but I still had a blast....and thanks to Bambi for his time and effort for the pre-party..... Later, styLEN From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 19 19:07:14 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA00661; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 19:07:14 -0800 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA00656; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 19:07:12 -0800 From: E1024@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA297289603; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 22:06:43 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 22:06:43 -0500 Message-Id: <950219220641_26537077@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re:Re:help with e Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk no the $50 was for two hits. I am not that much of a sucker. From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 19 19:19:17 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA01071; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 19:19:17 -0800 Received: from m-net148.arbornet.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA01063; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 19:19:13 -0800 Received: by m-net148.arbornet.org (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0rgOeW-000hZ5C; Sun, 19 Feb 95 22:19 WET Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 22:19:11 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Lynn Hill Subject: She's back......... To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay kids. the Disco-Pancake goddess-Lollipop Demongirl-Phreak is back!!! Just wanted to say HI!!! =) =) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jen Dj Lollipop-Demongirl-Pancake Goddess "Where there is an open mind, there will always be a frontier" -Charles Kettering ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 19 19:24:48 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA01281; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 19:24:48 -0800 Received: from m-net148.arbornet.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA01275; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 19:24:44 -0800 Received: by m-net148.arbornet.org (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0rgOjq-000hbPC; Sun, 19 Feb 95 22:24 WET Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 22:24:41 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Lynn Hill Subject: HEARTLAND To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay.... Here's the plan for the purdue crew I guess..... On Satruday Afternoon, Anyone who wants, is welcome to come hang out at Jason and My apartment in Lafayette, Indiana. Meaning, if you are coming from up north, down I-65, come on over. =) =) I figure, we can hang out and play atari, listen to music, watch cheezy cable and eat munchies until we all caravan down to Heartland in Indy. Should be lots of fun, chill and laid back!!! Also, anyone needing crash space after Heartland, is welcome to come back to our place and stay. =) It's small, but cozy and we have lots of blankets and beds and couches. =) We are about an hour north of Indianapolis. Anyone who is interested, e-mail me or call me at (317) 743-3483 give me an idea how many people to expect. =) =) Also, if anyone from up north is coming through and might have room for a few lost ravers, i think we need a couple of spaces still for some of the purdue kids. =) =) Peace and LOVe!!! jen (Lollipop) From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 19 19:26:16 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA01374; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 19:26:16 -0800 Received: from relay4.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA01365; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 19:26:13 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay4.UU.NET with SMTP id QQydvp16195; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 22:26:11 -0500 Received: from abennett by iglou.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0rgOjn-0001zAC; Sun, 19 Feb 95 22:24 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: abennett@iglou.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 22:25:54 -0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) Subject: VGER review Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Wow. weeee... Claude Young Claude Young Claude Young Claude Young... Most of this party has been hashed out already, so I'll just touch on a few points. It was great to see such a varied and new dj lineup. By 'new', I mean, I had only seen/heard Sho and Dieselboy spin before. All others were dj's that I had never seen before. And you know I'm not some closet raver who gets out once in a blue moon either. Yay for importing dj talent! The Police presence around 2:30am was somewhat disturbing. For some reason, everyone was ushered out of the hallways and into one of the rooms. I spotted them talking to the staff, and even walking around a bit. What was up with that? But they did leave, and did not come back. I had a fear that the party would get broken up. Claude Young kicked my ass in the second room. Holy moly. This guy from Detroit completely tore up the room, and probably shortened the life-span on that mixer by a few years. He laid down some very sweet Detroit tunes, and had some of the most interesting mixes I'd ever seen/heard. But then again, he's been dj'ing for probably a decade or so... BOOK HIM AT YOUR EVENT! As for Ed Luna's post re: ele mental and such, that definitely touches a sore spot. Ele Mental and crew have been pumping it out of Columbus for as long as I know in some way/shape/form. They are a class bunch of guys who will do almost anything in order to ensure a good time. Maybe Columbus is perceived as an uncool city. I've been to some Ele Mental events, but I've also had to miss my share due to other circumstances and such. Shame they don't get support, because they really deserve it. I think circumstances were against that room in the basement. People I talked with were like "There's a room in the basement? Where?" and such. Shoot, I didn't find it until 2am myself. And had I known Ed would've been making waffles, I would have stayed. Certainly Ed, if you were making them in the area where the coat rack was, people woulda chomped them up. But being down in the basement, it probably wasn't visible to the masses at all. Un-seen, un-heard, un-eaten. Which sucks completely. Plenty of net.bunch in effect. I won't list names, lest I forget anyone. You know who you were. Super job done by Kourosh and crew, even though that space is starting to show it's growth problems. At times it was pretty crowded, and hot for an unseasonably warm 50F Ohio February nite. I did get vraver Johnnyu back to the Dayton airport in time to catch his flight home to NY state. He flew all the way out here too meet us and all. Very cool. Traveling to another region for an event can be a mind opening experience. Thanks to Katerina for crash space. Nothing that this old man likes better than a hot shower after an extenuating event. Oh those bones and muscles... ugh. FUK in Louisville? Hell yeah.... Andrew -- (c) 1995, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: setting the record straight about chicago Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 00:24:42 EST From: Casper Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ------- Forwarded Message Received: from PACIFIC-CARRIER-ANNEX.MIT.EDU by po6.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA03167; Mon, 20 Feb 95 00:07:20 EST Received: from xmission.xmission.com by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA11551; Mon, 20 Feb 95 00:07:18 EST Received: (from daemon@localhost) by xmission.xmission.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA05133 for breaks-outgoing; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 22:06:58 -0700 Received: from merle.acns.nwu.edu (shum@merle.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.57]) by xmission.xmission.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA05122 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 22:06:54 -0700 From: shum@merle.acns.nwu.edu Received: by merle.acns.nwu.edu (1.37.109.11/20.3) id AA093066810; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 23:06:50 -0600 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 1995 23:06:50 -0600 Message-Id: <199502200506.AA093066810@merle.acns.nwu.edu> Newsgroups: alt.rave Subject: setting the record straight about chicago Organization: Northwestern University, Evanston IL Apparently-To: breaks@xmission.com, prhee@zinc.helios.nd.edu Sender: owner-breaks@xmission.com Precedence: bulk it's recently come to my attention that people are sayin shit about chicago without any real knowledge of whats happened and whats going on here... 95 brockout was not busted and any of the people who went know that... direct quote from rude boy keith: "havent seen a crowd like that in london in 4 yrs" believe it... if you dont, get the tapes from dubshack@aol.com, chicago is definitely the only educated jungle crowd in america, and only one out of two in north america (toronto being the other)... for example, our crowd brings lighters specifically to call for rewinds, other cities probably wouldnt know a rewind from fucken adam seen? give respect where it is due i'm really tired of hearing shit from a certain individual about how pittsburgh run tings when the sad fact is that everyone else i've talked to in pittsburgh including some of the biggest name djs like damian agree that it aint exactly the second coming of london. mike dj snuggles ------- End of Forwarded Message From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 19 22:48:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id WAA08877; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 22:48:19 -0800 Received: from MAPLE.ucs.uwplatt.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA08871; Sun, 19 Feb 1995 22:48:15 -0800 From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #4908) id <01HN94HGBDYQ95NF80@uwplatt.edu>; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 00:38:43 CST Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 00:38:42 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: lights and sound To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HN94HGBDYS95NF80@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: MWRAVES MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >basically, >building off fog... >I like fog, a few strobes (flashing so they AREN'T in my eyes, >thankyouverymuch) and a few vipers...minimalism...I have to agree with Bambi, >Parties have started getting WAY TO BRIGHT!! If I wanted to see you, I'd have >you over for tea, right? I think to WAY back...my first party just had 2 >strobes (Parallel Universe, Chicago Il., may 7, 92)....and then there was >Kurts party (FULL MOON) which just had a film loop, and that was phat as hell >too....more money in SOUND (I like walls of bass...I'm a peon of bass...it >makes me move, it's like sex, just with a lesser risk of infection) and >minimal lighting...simple, the way it was ment to be... Well, since everyone is basically saying what they like or dislike on the lights and fog thing, I figured that I might as well drop my two cents into the jar. Personally, I dig fog. It kind of adds to the mood for me. Although, I believe that fog works the best with a few lasers running through it, if I want the best. As for intellibeams, I find 'em useless. They're just to bright, and lately, I see to many promoters using a lot of them. But, I've seen one party that's used them correctly, and that's La La Land in Madison this past summer (I can't think of the dates). Wow. So, escentually, I agree with Anthony. :> Peace out, Ramylson ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke "If we were not here, material 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' events like the passage of the seasons 608.342.3196 would lack even the meager meanings Fun House Productions we are able to muster for them." dpn.member#002 --Annie Dillard-- ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 00:30:58 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id AAA13185; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 00:30:58 -0800 Received: from m-net148.arbornet.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA13180; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 00:30:54 -0800 Received: by m-net148.arbornet.org (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0rgTW3-000hbPC; Mon, 20 Feb 95 03:30 WET Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 03:30:47 -0500 (EST) From: "John A. Boys" Subject: Re:Re:help with e To: E1024@aol.com cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <950219220641_26537077@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sun, 19 Feb 1995 E1024@aol.com wrote: > no the $50 was for two hits. I am not that much of a sucker. > Hey, man. What kind of attention are you trying to bring to this list or to the scene in general? Couldn't you have asked someone in person? The less info exposed to the public on this one the better. I know I don't appreciate repeated preassure from the police (i.e. interference at FUK--I wasn't there), and all this talk will do is create unwanted attention. It may only take someone's mom accidentally running accross your post to get things going in the wrong direction sometime, somewhere. Plus, if you respond to a post such as this one, you are only fingering yourself. The MAN is everywhere. Believe it. -Low key: the only way for me. NEW SIGNAL From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 06:18:52 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id GAA24265; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 06:18:52 -0800 Received: from icicle.winternet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA24260; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 06:18:49 -0800 Received: from [199.199.120.51] by icicle.winternet.com with smtp (SunOS Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rgYwn-000Sy9C; Mon, 20 Feb 95 08:18 CST Date: Mon, 20 Feb 95 08:18 CST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: dbrekke@winternet.com (Dennis R. Brekke) Subject: Mpls. HOUSE - ala FRANTiK! Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Every FRIDAY & SATURDAY night in Minneapolis, FRANTiK Productions presents.= .. FRANTiK HOUSE A series of After Hours HOUSE/techno parties at the Muscle Shop ( bust free ! ) Different dj's each week! CHEAP $5 - 18 & Up THE MUSCLE SHOP 12 Cesnut Avenue North Minneapolis, MN (take Hennepin to 11th St. & 2 blocks north) WATCH THIS SPACE FOR FUTHER INFORMATION. dj Kapt'nKrunch! & Papoos=E9 From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 06:57:37 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id GAA25887; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 06:57:37 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA25882; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 06:57:35 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA27739 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 09:57:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 9:58:27 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950220095827.20a12603@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: Oops Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I apologize if my last post went global. It was meant to be a private E_Mail. I gotta be more carefull. Me From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 08:07:22 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA29298; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 08:07:22 -0800 Received: from corn.cso.niu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA29293; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 08:07:19 -0800 Received: by corn.cso.niu.edu id AA17412 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 10:07:06 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 10:07:06 -0600 (CST) From: dearborn michael jam Subject: Re: Short review of Trance Logic 2 and Bambi's pre-party To: Leonard Helton Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You made a comment about the water beig 2 bucks. That had nothing to do with Core. The concessions were operated by the theatre, not core. Therefore, they had nothing to do with the prices. It was that reason you saw no outsides vendors(i.e. smart drinks, herbal E, etc...). Dont rule out going to Core parties because I feel Wade E of Core is one of Chi-towns better promoters. peace Mike Dearborn From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 09:57:04 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA04672; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 09:57:04 -0800 Received: from babbage.ece.uc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA04663; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 09:56:59 -0800 Received: from ddt.eng.uc.edu (ddt.eng.uc.edu [129.137.189.200]) by babbage.ece.uc.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id MAA22504 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:56:46 -0500 Received: from curly2.occ.uc.edu (curly2.occ.uc.edu [129.137.40.62]) by ddt.eng.uc.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA06386 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:56:43 -0500 Received: by curly2.occ.uc.edu (5.0/Spike-2.0) id AA08192; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:56:42 +0500 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:56:40 -0500 (EST) From: bradley w rolf To: mw-raves Subject: just a few thoughts about Vger Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 2396 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well as Andrew said Claude just went off, then he just would not stop going off. It was incredible and was the one thing that stood out as making the event great for me. I was extreamly happy to meet a lot of people from the net. Im looking forward to seeing all of you again and meeting many more. Ok on to a few gripes of mine. Dont get me wrong I have not the slightest regret for going but just a few things that I did not like. The first being that the dj sets were to short and disorganized. I think that each dj only having an hour is way to short. It does not leave the croud or the dj to get into the music. All the djs there were great and deserved some time to really move the croud and make a mood. When I saw the flier I knew that it would be like that. Oh well I am just in set that think a small # of good djs makes for a great party. I think a long sets produces a better vibe. As for the vibe it seemed that it was lacking on a whole. As for individuals I saw soom really happy and cool people. But as for the croud it seemed like there was not as much energy as im used to. I think it may be related to the number of djs, but im not really sure. I saw the same thing at encounter, but im not to sure why the vibe was lacking. did i mention that Claude Young went off. My last complaint for the night was the price for the event. I think $15 is a little high for that event. It's wat too much, but kind of took me by suprise. Once again fewer great djs = lower price. Why pay for the best djs if you dont get to really listen to them, and enjoy their skills. But i give a definate thanks to the people who put this party on. I enjoyed myself alot and would not have posted this unless I thought that they wanted to throw a great party for all the right reasons. I just wanted to give some sugestions on what I would like to see more or less of. As for the elemental crew..I offer a great big thanks. the food at the end of the night was first class, and i liked all the music that came off that system. I even got a chance to spin a few records!! Thank you Thank you Thank you. Well sorry about spelling and typing. I hope to see such a net presence at future parties. Thanks again to all the people who helped this party go off. I really enjoyed it. Brad Rolf (adrock) From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 10:57:06 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA08179; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 10:57:06 -0800 Received: from aug1 by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA08171; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 10:57:01 -0800 Received: from [141.224.192.142] by aug1 (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA24747; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:54:53 +0600 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 12:54:52 +0600 Message-Id: <9502201854.AA24747@aug1> X-Sender: allen@aug1.augsburg.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) Subject: Re:"European-american men" content-length: 1287 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well I'll stick my lil toe in this- there is a clear discrepancy here between the title of this thread and the terms used within. The term "European-American Men is vastly differrent from the term "white -American Men"; as "Afro-american" is from "People of Color". My mother is the director of German-American studies at UofC, and she has done much to get her cultural heritage recognized for what she believes it is, a history and set of cultural values seperate from other European cultures. You see, its not as simple as White/Black, it can't be and it never is. Have you ever wondered what "Anglo-Saxon" means? Its just a term, used to lump all people of Europe together, much as "Colored" does. My family comes from the Saxon, or Germanic culture of Europe- "Anglo"- refers to British cultures. This is my mother's work and I am proud of it. Do I think about it every day, or fumate over the inhuman treatment and injustices commited against my Grandfather and his family, as Germans immigrants in America during WWII? No, I'm more interested in music, particulaly, techno, which as we all, know, for the most part deals only with the politics of the mind- in which everyone has an equal chance to participate and influence. -+-+- para From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 11:08:08 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA09135; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 11:08:08 -0800 Received: from student5.cl.msu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA09118; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 11:08:04 -0800 Received: from [35.8.189.73] by student5.cl.msu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/MSU-2.10) id AA100557; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:36:31 -0500 Message-Id: <9502201836.AA100557@student5.cl.msu.edu> X-Sender: macqueen@student5.msu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:40:52 -0500 To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: macqueen@student.msu.edu (Matt MacQueen) Subject: Re: FUK Cc: jjdavis@xnet.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Jeff Davis said: About 2 songs into his set, barney fife showed up on the stand >and they made richie suddenly stop. A great deal of confusion and crowd >bitch&moan and then that girl got up and explained, " we have all the >permits, fire - lights - portapotties - etc., but we don't have a dance >hall license. Therefore, the cops are going to shut us down unless we >stop dancing. please sit down and enjoy the wonders of richie >hawtin..." live plastikman, sitting down?????? the words cruel and >unusual punishment quickly came to mind, but the crowd grudgingly >promised teacher we'd do our best not to visibly groove and sat down so >that richie could begin playing again. THis really _does_ sound like cruel and unusual punishment... I mean, to see him is one thing, but to really appreciate the musik is to dance to it! I mean *NO* disrespect to the +8/FUK/SL crew, but I can't help recalling that funny/cheesey pop-movie from the early 80's, "Footloose." :) Kevin Bacon stars as "Ren," the rebellious, leather-tie-sporting teenager who moves to a rural high school somewhere in the midwestern cornfields. But he takes on the city's "NO DANCING" policy, he even dates the preacher's daughter, and she finds him some bible verses to use against the town hall or whatever, at the movie's climax, and the city can finally "dance" again, thanks to our hero. A "dance permit" is about the stupidest ordinance I've ever heard of. What next, a "listening permit?" "now i gotta cut lose...footloose...kick off your sunday shoes...." ;) >FUK the musik, give me the acid? -- FUK the acid, give me the musik! YYYuuuupppp!! peaceout. _______________________________________________________________________ Matt MacQueen No UFO's. Hypermedia & WWW Development Communication Technology Laboratory, Michigan State Univeristy _______________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 11:51:04 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA11954; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 11:51:04 -0800 Received: from aug1 by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA11929; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 11:50:58 -0800 Received: from [141.224.192.142] by aug1 (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA25962; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:48:57 +0600 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:48:55 +0600 Message-Id: <9502201948.AA25962@aug1> X-Sender: allen@aug1.augsburg.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) Subject: Re: help with e content-length: 211 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Is there a way to tell bad e from good e? Is there an instant field test, perhaps one developed by law enforcement, for detecting presence of mdma? I suspect not... para From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 13:04:45 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA16946; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:04:45 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA16941; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:04:43 -0800 From: MaxximumSL@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA198294253; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:04:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:04:13 -0500 Message-Id: <950220160411_27148543@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Zoolu Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk So, How many people are going to Zoolue on the 25th ? Is there any Caravan ? I might start on from Louisville, going thru Nashville, Burmigham,... The trip is about 14 hours from Louisville. pEace and out French E From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 13:12:02 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA17468; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:12:02 -0800 Received: from mik.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA17456; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:11:56 -0800 Received: from nx14.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA28305; Mon, 20 Feb 95 16:11:56 -0500 From: Jim Owens Message-Id: <9502202111.AA28305@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx14.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA00726; Mon, 20 Feb 95 16:11:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 95 16:11:31 -0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: FUK netlist Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all!! This is the netlist for FUK in Louisville as of 2/20/95 4pm Thomas R. Schmidt Sung Shim Craig L. Stodolenak amy waldowski becca maslow Anthony Cosco James Clyde Temple Janice Lynn Vielhaber Kimm Follett Chris Kozup Kyle Larson Jonathan Morris Brian Ayo Knowles Jason Clark If you are not on here and already mailed me... I either didn't get your name in your mail (for this post) and have mailed you requesting it, or I just didnt get it so mail me again. Those of you not on the list who want the net-raver discount, please e-mail me before Thursday 2/27/95. This list will be posted again on Wednesday, and a final version on Thursday. Thanks =) *~cosmic~~~ "Getting FUKked in Kentucky is fun!!!" From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 13:20:45 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA18252; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:20:45 -0800 Received: from mik.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA18246; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:20:41 -0800 Received: from nx14.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA28533; Mon, 20 Feb 95 16:20:40 -0500 From: Jim Owens Message-Id: <9502202120.AA28533@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx14.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA00740; Mon, 20 Feb 95 16:20:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 95 16:20:14 -0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: FUK netlist Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Those of you not on the list who want the net-raver discount, please e-mail me >before Thursday 2/27/95 I meant mail me before Thursday 2/23/95. Guess I am FUKked in the head already =) Thanks!! *~cosmic~~~ "Getting FUKked in Kentucky is fun!!!" From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 13:25:35 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA18567; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:25:35 -0800 Received: from mail02.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA18562; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:25:33 -0800 From: MaxximumSL@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA08689; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:25:03 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:25:03 -0500 Message-Id: <950220162502_27169858@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: E Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Advices on E The smaller the pill, the better (less junk added to it) Avoid capsules, unless you KNOW where it is coming from (why would a dealer crushe\ a pill to make powder to capsule it ? to add junk to it, to put less to make more money, ect...) Lock for a stamp. Color totaly white, sometimes pink (called little hearts), sometimes green (Amterdam's best called treffle) or sometimes in a semi-solid yellow gel cap (popular in Germany, France and Belgium) Depending what the E is made of, certain times it has a sasofrole smell. Taste it with the middle of your tong : your reaction should be : yeugheg, discusting. It has acidic sour taste, but not e are made equal. Also REMEMBER, one is enough, if you don't feel the effects that strongly anymore, IT IS TIME FOR A BREAK. Give your body a 2 to 3 months break. You don't want to end up looking like ADAM X. Know your limits. Also, E is excellent for people who have the Herper type II virus. Forget your Zorivax that cost so much money and takes for ever to get ride of the symptoms (and other bad side efX). E can take care of those little spot in less that 5 hours. (instead of 5 to 15 days w/ Zovirax) If you doubt the quality of E, it is better to say NO. Just my views on E French E w/out an appendix Bye Bye From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 13:47:34 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA19745; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:47:34 -0800 Received: from icicle.winternet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA19736; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 13:47:31 -0800 Received: from [199.199.120.45] by icicle.winternet.com with smtp (SunOS Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rgfx2-000SwmC; Mon, 20 Feb 95 15:47 CST Date: Mon, 20 Feb 95 15:47 CST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: dbrekke@winternet.com (Dennis R. Brekke) Subject: FRANTiK - Feb. 24 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The Muscle Shop presents... FRANTiK Friday, February 24th - Doors @ 11PM Minneapolis, MN dj's: MR. E-TONES ALEX JARViS SMP & PAPOOSE $5.00 THE MUSCLE SHOP 12 Chesnut Avenue N. (Henn. to 11th St. & 2 blocks north) dj Kapt'n Krunch! From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 14:17:45 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA21942; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 14:17:45 -0800 Received: from max.cc.denison.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA21920; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 14:17:40 -0800 From: BOSSEN_C@CC.DENISON.EDU Received: from CC.DENISON.EDU by CC.DENISON.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #4959) id <01HNA31B2IYU006UZC@CC.DENISON.EDU>; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 17:17:34 EST Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 17:17:34 -0500 (EST) Subject: review of vger and then some babble To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HNA31B2IYW006UZC@CC.DENISON.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well I went to VGER this weekend. For the most part it was pretty cool.The space was cool. I escpecially (sp?) like the sign "winners don't do drugs" a little bit of irony. The people I met were pretty friendly. If that means it had good vibes I guess it had them. PArking was a major pain in the ass. It took us like 20 minuted to find a parking space. All and it was decent. It cost to much. I thought $15 was a little too expensive. I would have been much happier if there had been fewer dj's who spun for a longer time. I am not a big fan of one hour sets. Unfortuantly (sp?) around 3 am some cops arrived and gave us a little bit of a scare. Fortunatly they were just checking the place out and left promptly. I missed the netraver meeting place. I was in the basement around 1 am and I didn't find anybody. I know it sounds silly but I think next time somebody should put up a sign. Sorry if you all were there and I missed you perhaps I am just a blind fool. Two other brief things in this run on paragraph. Whatever happened to five dollar parties? Do they still exist? Back in the day (I know it is a cheesy expression) when I first started raving I though paying like $10 for a party was a little steep. Now it seems like that is the norm. Is there a reason for this? My last question is music related. Can somebody out there tell me a little bit about acid jazz. I know it isn't techno persay but I would appericate it anyways. love, colinb. BOSSEN_C@cc.denison.edu From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 14:18:30 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA22015; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 14:18:30 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA22000; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 14:18:26 -0800 Received: from [140.174.95.21] (smellen.cyborganic.com [140.174.95.21]) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA17668 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 14:17:13 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 18:25:54 -0800 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: Ellen Steuer Subject: ride to fuk/heartland Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi kids... umm, i don't really like to do this but i was wondering if there was anyone out there who will be passing through or leaving from milwaukee for fuk this weekend and then plans on attending heartland and has room in their vehicle for 2 really cute and friendly teenage girls... both over 18 of course so its ok if we leave the state and all. oh, and if you plan on returning by sunday night that would be cool too but if not...oh well, who needs high school. of course we will contribute for gas money and good conversation and whatever else. thank you very much!!! L8r <---notice capital L mike! :) ellen `/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/* Ellen Steuer ellen@cyborganic.com G EEE *** *** MM MM SSS W W I G GGGG L E E SSS * * * * M M M M S S W W GGGG G G L EEEEE S S * * * * M M M S W W W I G G GGGG L E S * * * M M S W W W I GGGG G L E E S * * M M S S W W I G G G LLLLL EEE S S * * _______ SSS * __________ G G GG ______________ SSS * * / ***** \______/**********\ GG ____/**************\_____ zine,* * *_______ *******__________ \_____/******_____________******* cute * /_______\______/__________\*******_____/_____________\_______ girls, / \______/Anonymous \\_____/____/ 414.228.0669 \______ good \____/ conversation From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 14:52:27 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA24870; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 14:52:27 -0800 Received: from corn.cso.niu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA24863; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 14:52:25 -0800 Received: by corn.cso.niu.edu id AA16769 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:52:31 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 16:52:31 -0600 (CST) From: dearborn michael jam To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk For all those who have inquired, My new double EP"Moments" has been released. It is,of course, on DJAX and it should get to the states next week. Check it out....................... peace mike dearborn From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 15:15:09 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA26354; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 15:15:09 -0800 Received: from bronze.coil.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA26346; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 15:15:06 -0800 Received: from localhost (eluna@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) id SAA08523; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 18:16:17 -0500 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 18:16:16 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Luna To: mwraves , "Craig L. Stodolenak" Subject: }envelope{ detroit sat feb 25 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk poorboy production presents "sealed and delivered" _______ / /-T-\ \ _____________________ | |_____| | | |__| | | | }envelope{ | | | | 1315 broadway | | | | Detroit, MI | | _____ | |_____________________| |_| |_| saturday, february 15 $10 dj's: }insomniac{ }dot{ }paris & billeebob as heckle & jeckle{ }rotator{ }tim baker{ }eric haupt{ jazz/smoov room: }brian gillespie{ }soulkist family{ location: 1314 broadway, two blocks from 1515 broadway From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 15:26:38 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA27251; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 15:26:38 -0800 Received: from corn.cso.niu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA27246; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 15:26:35 -0800 Received: by corn.cso.niu.edu id AA18989 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com); Mon, 20 Feb 1995 17:26:42 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 17:26:42 -0600 (CST) From: dearborn michael jam To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <01HNA31B2IYW006UZC@CC.DENISON.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk How do you access vrave? From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 15:38:16 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA28255; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 15:38:16 -0800 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA28250; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 15:38:14 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQydys01296; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 18:38:12 -0500 Received: from abennett by iglou.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0rghei-0001zdC; Mon, 20 Feb 95 18:36 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: abennett@iglou.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 18:37:54 -0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) Subject: Re: Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >How do you access vrave? One needs to be able to telnet. Some services, such as AOL and Compuserve, don't allow this. Even some universities that use menu systems to allow their users to navigate around their system don't allow people to telnet. The easiest answer is to type: telnet hyperreal.com 7283 At your unix (or other OS) prompt. Sometimes that name won't resolve correctly because some dumbo used an old number for hyperreal when they register their machine on the internet. In that case, subsitute 'taz.hyperreal.com' for hyperreal.com as necessary. (this goes for mw-raves as well, not just vrave). Andrew -- (c) 1995, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com Message-Id: <199502210532.VAA16694@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Heartland goodies! (fwd) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 21:32:53 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1394 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** Original message forwarded by Andrew Bennett. Be sure to direct replies ** to the appropiate place, which is NOT my mailbox. Thanks. From: oboyle@staff.cc.purdue.edu (Todd Oboyle) Message-Id: <9502210502.AA08210@staff.cc.purdue.edu> Subject: Heartland goodies! To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 95 0:02:32 EST hello... this is todd. I am making some goodies for Heartland for the kiddies...if you or anyone else would like one just reply to me here or mail toddo@expert.cc.purdue.edu the mail should include your real name (and vrave login for all you vrave junkies) adn where you are from, maybe...whatever.. just try to let me know by Friday evening/afternoon, ok...I will have them all nicey nice and done... hope to see you all there! have a good day! -- 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 -----------> toddo@expert.cc.purdue.edu --------------------------> toddo@arbornet.org ---------------------> Todd O'Boyle --------> Purdue University ----------------------------------------> Pre-Communications 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~toddo/ -- (c) 1995, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com Andrew's Page From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 20 21:53:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA17368; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 21:53:33 -0800 Received: from earth.execpc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA17362; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 21:53:30 -0800 From: danimal@earth.execpc.com Received: from 204.29.202.116 (umbriel.execpc.com [204.29.202.116]) by earth.execpc.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA28369; Mon, 20 Feb 1995 23:51:23 -0600 Date: Mon, 20 Feb 1995 23:51:23 -0600 Message-Id: <199502210551.XAA28369@earth.execpc.com> Subject: Re: Are we on target??? To: S005MDK@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU, list server X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk <---- Begin Included Message ----> I tought the one place that people could feel free from the restraints of society and the harsh reality of the crule world would be dancing to a unfying beat. Unfortunely many of us bring our barriers from the outside into the VIBE instead of doing the oppsite. We need to rember why we goto parties. We need to carry that feeling after a great VIBE to the outside. Pass it on to other ppl. We need to grow as individials so that we don't even need parties to convey this VIBE. We can just experenince it as part of every day life. How can this be done? That is the question that I pose to all of you out there. How can we make everone in the "scene"(I hate that word but can't think of another) experience this feeling and then have it grow from there? I'm not trying to dis what we have but I think we have so much more potential. It just seemed that so many people left the same way they came to Vger. Some even left more pissed off than they came. Sorry Ed. My advice is just SMILE :) it will come back to you. Hope this will start some conversation. <---- End Included Message ----> I'll tell you.. for the simple fact that people don't change that easily. If I went to a rave, the minute I would enter I am not going to change into some drastically different person. I am going to be the same person I am if you met me on the street. True I would be a bit more friendly becaue I am with my friends and such. What you want is to do is change peoples personalities which is totally impossible. The human race has been known to resist change or if they do change it takes a long time. DTW __ Copywrite 1994 D.T.W. Corp All rights and lefts reserved. Danimal@earth.execpc.com Web Page Http://www.execpc.com/~danimal/dtwcorp/dtwcorp.html Oh Goody! My Alludium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator! A Dream is but a fleeting moment, but a dream about you is Eternal. If your Parents never had sex chances are you won't either. From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 07:13:27 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA07488; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 07:13:27 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA07479; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 07:13:20 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA24969; Tue, 21 Feb 95 09:14:42 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id JAA05569; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 09:09:32 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18742; Tue, 21 Feb 95 09:11:10 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04177; Tue, 21 Feb 95 09:11:09 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502211511.AA04177@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: Short review of Trance Logic 2 and Bambi's pre-party To: z912661@corn.cso.niu.edu (dearborn michael jam) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 95 9:11:09 CST Cc: stylen@netcom.com, mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: ; from "dearborn michael jam" at Feb 20, 95 10:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } You made a comment about the water beig 2 bucks. That had nothing to do } with Core. The concessions were operated by the theatre, not core. wrong! wade choose to use the space and there for he is directly responsible for the water situation. *DIRECTLY* he could have made an arangment with the owners of the space or not used it - but as we all have learned about wade... } Therefore, they had nothing to do with the prices. It was that reason } you saw no outsides vendors(i.e. smart drinks, herbal E, etc...). } Dont rule out going to Core parties because I feel Wade E of Core is one } of Chi-towns better promoters. I dissagree - core immitations has pulled more rip-offs than every other production company in chicago. Every single one - its amazing they are still around after screwing the scene for 3+ years now, yes the do every once in a while have a decent event. but more often than not its just crap - the congress theater? come on! can we say *lame* thats as bad as using r&r in madison. I didn't go to the party - I may have liked to but with so many negative experiences with core immitations I decieded not to. Maybe I should make a list - of truley horrible core events or something ;-) --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 09:13:13 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA14489; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 09:13:13 -0800 Received: from icicle.winternet.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA14469; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 09:13:08 -0800 Received: from [199.199.120.71] by icicle.winternet.com with smtp (SunOS Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rgy91-000SxaC; Tue, 21 Feb 95 11:13 CST Date: Tue, 21 Feb 95 11:13 CST Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: dbrekke@winternet.com (Dennis R. Brekke) Subject: Go DEEPER in Mpls. 3/25/95 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The Muscle Shop Presents... D E E P E R Minneapolis, MN Saturday, February 25th, 1995 Midnight at The Muscle Shop in Minneapolis dj's: PEPPERMINT PATTY DANNY SHAFFER PAPOOS=E9 & More... Lights and Vibe by: STeVO DeVO Design by FRANTiK Productions $5 donation THE MUSCLE SHOP 12 Chesnut Ave. N. Minneapolis, MN (Henn. to 11th St. & 2 blocks north) dj Kapt'n Krunch! =46RANTiK Productions dbrekke@winternet.com From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 09:53:58 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA16609; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 09:53:58 -0800 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA16603; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 09:53:55 -0800 Received: by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Tue, 21 Feb 95 11:31:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:31:47 -0600 (CST) From: Steven R Waterbury Subject: fog... To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk just a little nuttin... lotsa people here seem to dislike fog/smoke and i would just like to present myself as the one person who LOVES it ...the more fog the better i like the otherworldliness it creates 8} just a little pro-fog input ;} *hugs* <<^GUIDO^^>>>>> wate0044@maroon.tc.umn.edu..........8} From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 10:16:13 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA17797; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:16:13 -0800 Received: from desire.wright.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA17788; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:16:10 -0800 From: S005MDK@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU Received: from desire.wright.edu by desire.wright.edu (PMDF V4.3-13 #2485) id <01HNB9FG4E9S8Y86CQ@desire.wright.edu>; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 13:16:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 13:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Ray and the U.D crew To: list server Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I hate to do this but this the only way I know how. Ray and the U.D. crew can you send me your E-mail address? Thanx Matt Normal Guy From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 10:23:55 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA18192; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:23:55 -0800 Received: from MAPLE.ucs.uwplatt.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA18183; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:23:51 -0800 From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #4908) id <01HNB5XLLKXS95NPKI@uwplatt.edu>; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:49:31 CST Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:49:30 -0600 (CST) Subject: 2.24.95 Madison, Wis. To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HNB5XLNZR695NPKI@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: MWRAVES MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Underground Rules MOFOCO presents: SECOND COMING ------------- 2.24.95 In beautiful downtown Madison Wisconsin HYPERACTIVE -- chicago [live p.a.] APOLLO -- minneapolis MINDRIVE -- madison Also: AJ Deneb Kee Nick Kick Melle Mel Money Wickett Xeyon 2 ROOMS! $6 608.251.8498 ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke "If we were not here, material 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' events like the passage of the seasons 608.342.3196 would lack even the meager meanings Fun House Productions we are able to muster for them." dpn.member#002 --Annie Dillard-- ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 10:23:58 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA18211; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:23:58 -0800 Received: from MAPLE.ucs.uwplatt.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA18190; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 10:23:53 -0800 From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #4908) id <01HNB6FCL9KM95NPKI@uwplatt.edu>; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:59:14 CST Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:59:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: 5.06.95 Milwaukee, Wis To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HNB6FCL9KO95NPKI@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: MWRAVES MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk G. O. C. T. PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS: ---------------------------------- UNLIMIT 5.06.95 DJ's to include Mindrive - Madison Jedidiah - Milwaukee L.L. Bishop - Denver David Hollands - Indiana Astroboy - St. Louis Mystic Bill - Chicago Special DJ's T.B.A. Info Lines: 414.256.1717 (G.O.C.T.) 414.777.3957 (H.O.L.) 414.777.3998 (D.B.N) ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke "If we were not here, material 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' events like the passage of the seasons 608.342.3196 would lack even the meager meanings Fun House Productions we are able to muster for them." dpn.member#002 --Annie Dillard-- ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 11:05:42 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA20948; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:05:42 -0800 Received: from corn.cso.niu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA20942; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:05:39 -0800 Received: by corn.cso.niu.edu id AA05198 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for MW Raves Mailinglist ); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 13:05:45 -0600 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 13:05:45 -0600 (CST) From: Sung Shim Subject: FUK / Louisville To: MW Raves Mailinglist Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, I was mistakenly put on the net raver discount list for the Louisville FUK party. I was going to mail and get my name off the list, but if anyone will be passing through Northern Illinois University (DeKalb) on their way to Louisville, I'd love to attend. It would also be great to meet some net ravers. I know this highly unlikely but it's not gonna hurt to ask aye. And if not I'll see you at the Milwaukee FUK! sung - -- (mRay) z943159@corn.cso.niu.edu From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 11:10:12 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA21295; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:10:12 -0800 Received: from oistrakh.msen.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA21290; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:10:09 -0800 Received: from garnet.msen.com (garnet.msen.com [148.59.1.11]) by oistrakh.msen.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id OAA18569 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 14:10:03 -0500 Received: by garnet.msen.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0rgzyG-0013BLC; Tue, 21 Feb 95 14:10 EST Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 14:10:04 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Walker X-Sender: marmoset@garnet.msen.com To: Midwest Raves List Subject: don't know how to put this delicately... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know if the folks who, um, ran into difficulty in Indy Friday night came out OK? -d.w. From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 11:39:16 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA23220; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:39:16 -0800 Received: from goalkeeper.d2.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA23211; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:39:11 -0800 Received: from d2.com by goalkeeper.d2.com via UUCP (931110.SGI/(930416.SGI)1.0-D2.COM-OUTERELAY) for mw-raves@hyperreal.com id AA13852; Tue, 21 Feb 95 11:38:18 -0800 Received: from blackhawks-e.d2.com by omaha.d2.com via SMTP (920330.SGI/(921111.SGI)1.1-D2.COM-RELAY) for jcarow@MIT.EDU id AA02459; Tue, 21 Feb 95 11:30:35 -0800 Received: by blackhawks.d2.com (931110.SGI/(921111.SGI)1.1-D2.COM) for @omaha.d2.com:mw-raves@hyperreal.com id AA04801; Tue, 21 Feb 95 11:30:34 -0800 From: fixer@d2.com (Robert Smith) Message-Id: <9502211930.AA04801@blackhawks.d2.com> Subject: Re: setting the record straight about chicago To: jcarow@MIT.EDU (Casper) Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 11:30:33 -0800 (PST) Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9502200524.AA26392@al-forno.MIT.EDU> from "Casper" at Feb 20, 95 00:24:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2313 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk : : it's recently come to my attention that people are sayin shit about chicago : without any real knowledge of whats happened and whats going on here... 95 : brockout was not busted and any of the people who went know that... direct : quote from rude boy keith: "havent seen a crowd like that in london in 4 yrs" : believe it... if you dont, get the tapes from dubshack@aol.com, chicago is : definitely the only educated jungle crowd in america, and only one out of two : in north america (toronto being the other)... for example, our crowd brings : lighters specifically to call for rewinds, other cities probably wouldnt know : a rewind from fucken adam seen? give respect where it is due i'm really tired : of hearing shit from a certain individual about how pittsburgh run tings when : the sad fact is that everyone else i've talked to in pittsburgh including some : of the biggest name djs like damian agree that it aint exactly the second : coming of london. : : : mike : dj snuggles Oh yeah, I'll have to remember my lighter next time, so I too can be rude. Mike, do you even here yourself anymore? You talk so hard and rudeboy-esque thet I, for one, can not even begin to take you seriously. What makes me laugh even more is to watch you progress farther into the "ways of the rude". A year or so ago, you were nothing like you are now. Back then, it was Jamie and that other guy from the CHA being all hard and telling us all the way to coolness. Whan you decide to grow up, ley us know. -- /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ \o o o o o | o o o o o | o o o o o | o o o o o/ / | | | \ \ R. Y. Smith, Jr.| | | Digital Domain / / tel: 310/314.2920| | | 300 Rose Ave \ \ fax: 310/314.2866| | | Venice, CA 90291 / / fixer@d2.com | | | 310/314.2800 \ \ | | | / /o o o o o | o o o o o | o o o o o | o o o o o\ \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 13:21:36 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA00810; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 13:21:36 -0800 Received: from MAPLE.ucs.uwplatt.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA00802; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 13:21:32 -0800 From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #4908) id <01HNBDAWNI2U95NWRG@uwplatt.edu>; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 15:19:07 CST Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 15:19:06 -0600 (CST) Subject: F Communications/GGS To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com, so-deep@netcom.com Message-id: <01HNBDAWNI2W95NWRG@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: MWRAVES, HOUSE MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know if these releases are any good? F Communications: ----------------- 1. Dune, Alliance EP 2. St. Germain, En 3. Laye, Mezzotinto EP 4. Aurora Borealis, The Milky Way 5. Juan Trip, Masterpiece Trilogy 6. Nova Nova, Metasic EP 7. Iberian, Nueva Era EP 8. Feedback, Element 9. Scan X, Random Access EP 10. Shazz, A View of Manhattan 11. Laurent Garnier, Astral Dreams 12. Laurent Garnier, Shot in the Dark LP 13. Lady B, Vice Versa 14. Aurora Borealis, Raz w/ Piano Luva GGS (Going Global Services): ---------------------------- 1. Rachid Tara, Voila Voila 2. Rachid Tara, Indie 3. Khaled, Chebba 4. Khaled, N'ssi N'ssi 5. Mary Kante, Mogo Dioglo/Yeke Yeke ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke "If we were not here, material 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' events like the passage of the seasons 608.342.3196 would lack even the meager meanings Fun House Productions we are able to muster for them." dpn.member#002 --Annie Dillard-- ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 13:34:57 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA01659; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 13:34:57 -0800 Received: from relay3.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA01653; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 13:34:54 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyecc07277; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 16:35:04 -0500 Received: by iglou.iglou.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0rh2Cw-0001zTC; Tue, 21 Feb 95 16:33 EST Message-Id: From: ajc@iglou.com (Anthony Cosco) Subject: FUK in motown To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 16:33:22 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 138 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey does anyone know the date for the FUK party in detroit? has it been released yet or what? thanks alot! anthony cosco ajc@iglou.com From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 14:14:45 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA04062; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 14:14:45 -0800 Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA04053; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 14:14:41 -0800 Received: from [128.135.120.54] (bj-54.rh.uchicago.edu) by midway.uchicago.edu for mw-raves@hyperreal.com Tue, 21 Feb 95 16:14:40 CST Message-Id: <9502212214.AA25992@midway.uchicago.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 16:17:13 -0600 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: powdered toastman Subject: test Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk as if we all don't have enough tests in our life I'm too lazy to actually make a real .sig From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 14:26:56 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA04882; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 14:26:56 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA04869; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 14:26:51 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.203.92]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23312; Tue, 21 Feb 95 14:28:37 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19465; Tue, 21 Feb 95 14:28:24 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21597; Tue, 21 Feb 95 16:27:54 CST Date: Tue, 21 Feb 95 16:27:53 CST Message-Id: <9502212227.AA21597@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: THANK YOU VERY MUCH Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just feel like thanking all the people who contributed (by spinning or helping or providing space) to the free parties I threw in 94 and 95, and the couple of free parties Nate and I threw together in mid-94. Here it goes, in alphabetical order: Adam Jeoff Alvarez James Anthony Mark Bowen B.P.M (chicago) dan/acidophile dj Daniel (Gramaphone) Davey Dave Mike Dearborn Eduardo Bill Frain & his drums Tony Garcia Dave Hollands Jevon Jackson Jodie leigh (DJ DevilGirl) Missfit Mystic Bill Nate Chris Quinn Samme Sunshyne Sho stevenj (DJ Spore) Tigger Traxx ... send me hate-mail if I forgot you, I deserve it! and of course credit goes to all the people that contributed by bringing their good vibe too... *smoooooOOOOOOOOooooooOOOOOOOOooches* bambi nib@dlogics.com be on the look-out for much more of those free little events in 1995... From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 15:03:18 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA06919; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 15:03:18 -0800 Received: from ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA06913; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 15:03:15 -0800 Received: by ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu id AA29707 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 18:02:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 18:02:22 -0400 (EST) From: ian s bortolotti Subject: Re: TRANCE (fwd) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Cc: ibortolo@indiana.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk If this goes to the list twice....sorry 8) This was my first post......and I'm a little...well you know...................s l o w Heh Heh ....much LOVE - E ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 17:50:31 -0400 (EST) From: ian s bortolotti To: Harro Kitty-ah Cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: TRANCE On Tue, 21 Feb 1995, Harro Kitty-ah wrote: > Hi, just wondering what the latest craze is....our crowd is into euro > house with a reggae twist...anyone have a name for this besides > commercial....plus anyone knows what happened to the trance series on > rumour records...i have trance 1-3 on vinyl....plus...what remix services > do you subscribe to?...we're on direct hits for that nrg > sound...discotech for top 40....and we're a member of our middle atlantic > record pool (OMAP)...know of any other good pools or record stores to > order from.....We get our stuff from oak lawn in texas, gramophone in > chicago, and 12" in D.C., and Modern Music in Balto...... > > Later....Ray k...Deftly Done Productions. > Gimmee...Gimmeee TRIBAL.....JUNGLE........DEEP DEEP AND DEEPER.....With Bass so low it'll bounce your blood pressure. Also, the Tribal America Label is starting a 12" club soon...and they have a new catalog out with some new stash by The Daou....Danny T......Deep Dish and uh need I say more. Oh yeah....almost forgot....Peace and BIG HUGS to All....You people are what give me faith in Humanity. Much Love...... -E P.S. How many of youses is catchin Heartland? I'd like to meet a few of you. From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 16:55:05 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA13955; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 16:55:05 -0800 Received: from tigerden.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA13946; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 16:55:00 -0800 Received: by tigerden.com id AA20832 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 21 Feb 1995 19:57:07 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 19:57:06 -0500 (EST) From: "D.A.C. Crowell" To: Steven R Waterbury Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: fog... In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 21 Feb 1995, Steven R Waterbury wrote: > lotsa people here seem to dislike fog/smoke > and i would just like to present myself > as the one person who LOVES it > ...the more fog the better > i like the otherworldliness it creates 8} But I hate the crud it creates. If you take a nice electronic device such as a synthesizer or processor into an event where they're pumping the house full of cheap-juice fog, there's a 100% possibility that you're going to have some nasty residues deposited on the circuit boards of your gear...to say nothing of your sinuses, lungs, etc. Sure, this stuff looks great...but tons and tons of it, unless you're going to go to the trouble and expense of buying an FDA-approved juice, really makes a mess for people and gear alike. And promoters...if you think _I'm_ owrried about my synths, _you_ should be worried about your _amps_! Remember, that gear usually has forced-air cooling...pulling all that nice crud through the amp, onto the circuit boards and high-voltage lines...the potential for serious damage is _loads_ higher there. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\ "People usually think that the arts should D.A.C. Crowell |only entertain, but that is not the role of Audio Design and Programming |the arts at all. The role of the arts is to The Aerodyne Works |explore the inner space of man; to find out Champaign, IL, USA. |how much and how intensely he can vibrate, dacc@tigerden.com |through sound, through what he hears, http://hyperreal.com/music/ |whichever it is. They are a means by which artists/dac_crowell |to expand his inner universe. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>/ -- Karlheinz Stockhausen From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 19:25:40 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id TAA23247; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 19:25:40 -0800 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA23242; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 19:25:38 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyecz11200; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 22:25:38 -0500 Received: from abennett by iglou.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0rh7gL-0001zdC; Tue, 21 Feb 95 22:24 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: abennett@iglou.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 22:25:18 -0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) Subject: Re: 5.06.95 Milwaukee, Wis Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > G. O. C. T. PRODUCTIONS PRESENTS: > ---------------------------------- > > > UNLIMIT > > 5.06.95 > > DJ's to include > > Mindrive - Madison Jedidiah - Milwaukee {... snip ...} Double booking alert. Jedidiah is on the 'Red Tempest' pre-flyer for 5/6 in Columbus Ohio. See the calendar out tomorrow for those on the mw-raves-calendar list. Andrew -- This email is (c) 1995, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com http://taz.hyperreal.com/~abennett/ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 21:23:10 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA28883; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 21:23:10 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA28878; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 21:23:07 -0800 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (dynamic@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id XAA10398 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 23:23:09 -0600 Received: (dynamic@localhost) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) id XAA00574 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 23:23:07 -0600 From: DynamicGroove Message-Id: <199502220523.XAA00574@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: fuk pre-party To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 21 Feb 1995 23:23:07 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 921 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk friday march 3rd, 1995 DynamikGroove invites you to a very special Fuk Tour pre-party featuring Drop Bass DJ & Communique recording artist J e d i d i a h in his first ever *LIVE* performance also featuring extended sets from D J F i e r c e (Eclipse, Chicago) M i n d D r i v e (Erotishock, Madison) reservations must be made for this limited capacity event 4 1 4 - 5 4 8 - 1 9 7 3 email: dynamic@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu thanx: Drop Bass, NPS, 623 crew, Massive, Mw-Raves, & everyone else - you know who you are... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- this is an invite only event... if you havent recieved an invite (good for you and one guest) look for me at the following events: Fuk@lexington.ky Heartland or if you can't find me call or e-mail me by this weekend and i'll snail mail it. you must have an invite to attend (for legal reasons). *joe* From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 21:34:13 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA29377; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 21:34:13 -0800 Received: from detroit.freenet.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA29371; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 21:34:10 -0800 Received: (from ae890@localhost) by detroit.freenet.org (8.6.9/869.2) id AAA23479; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 00:34:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 00:34:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199502220534.AAA23479@detroit.freenet.org> From: ae890@detroit.freenet.org (Ian Malbon) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Taking your PULSE... Reply-To: ae890@detroit.freenet.org Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk More banter about Saturday's PULSE in Detroit... ET whupped some sense into me by posting: >This made absolutely no sense to me whatsoever. This space, for those >relatively *new* to the scene, was the, nay, THE Music Institute. >It felt so good being home, I started writing a song about it about five >minutes after I got there! The black plastic was a new thing i believe >brought on by the Plastikman events of recent times, but it was okay. >What REALLY made me feel that I was back HOME was the painting on the wall. >Those beautiful eyes gazing at me once again, and that jubilant brother >leaping skyward, propelled by HOUSE BASS deep as any thunder heard at any >rocket launch. God, he's my friend! THE Institute?? Oh man, do I feel like a true neophyte! According to Detroit Mythology, you have either *known* the Music Institute, or you haven't. This place is revered by groove fiends far and wide. Problem was, I only heard about it after it's demise... Could this (PULSE...now I get it...) possibly signal a rescusitation, a revival of the M.I.? If so, I'm putting the rest of my life on hold for '95. >This is definitely a case of being spoiled by the times. Or if anything, >you and other DJ-Worshippers like you, are looking for traditional heros >of the scene, and it's not about that. It's about the MUSIC. This has >always been the setup in this building, and this point has always been >understood here. I'm perhaps a bit defensive of the space, but this place >just fucking *IS* Detroit. Watch even minor dissin when you're talking about >it. This is the Stonehenge of house. Sacred ground, tread lightly. Point taken . However, please do not conFUSE DJ-worshippers with the DJ-curious. I'm NOT looking to the DJ as a hero, (my God, can you imagine some poor soul playing air-1200s on stage at a techno "concert", sponsored by Marlboro and Coors?!) On any given night, I'll start moving to any decent beat, no matter who's playing it. RHYTHM IS RHYTHM. Sometimes, though, I get kicks out of figuring out what's inside the spinner's head. Why would a guy who creates techno-soul spin a mostly rave set, for instance? What (aside from the BPM) is the link between track A and track B? Good house/techno DJ'ing is an *art form*. We shouldn't take the quality of Detroit talent for granted. (There's no place like home.) (p.s. interjection from roomie, linda, re: DJ-worshippers: when a set makes me worship the speaker-god for 1.5 hours straight, i want to find out who the dj was, whether he/she is obscure or famous, so that i can recognise his/her name on future flyers. for me, it's a matter of learning from good experiences. :) i also think there can be a chemistry between dj's and their audience when they can see each other.) Me: >>(p.s. I forgot, sexism, racism, ageism, and fog juice!) :) Actually a reference to negative vibes on the list earlier this month. >I don't know about the sexism, and I felt no racism, but the fogjuice >was in full effect all night, and the ageism was rampant. I'm 2? (?>4) >and all night, kidz were looking at me like I was PORK. Disgusting! I think I gotcha beat. Guess who's turning 30 in 12 weeks. Ugh. >I asked a couple kidz and one told me "a little," but when I said I was >feeling pretty damn old, he said I was doing pretty good out there on the >floor. (Thanks Tony!) I guess I'm not as old as I think. BTW, you don't need >phat jeans, hockey jerseys, or vinyl pants to be a HOUSEHEAD. Maybe a raver, >but not a HOUSEHEAD! I own no phat pants. Love is the way. I dance THEREFORE I.M. >ET ( The big, blackman in the jean jacket was NOT a cop!! ) Next time I'll look for the big cop-style guy in the jean jacket. Peace. -- [::::::::::::::::::::] Therefore, I.M. [::::::::::::::::::::::::] [:::::::::::::::] ae890@detroit.freenet.org [:::::::::::::::::::] [:::::::] "Pulsora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis." [::::::::] From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 21 21:41:44 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id VAA29639; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 21:41:44 -0800 Received: from ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA29634; Tue, 21 Feb 1995 21:41:40 -0800 Received: by ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu id AA12738 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for multi-recipients of list ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 00:40:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 00:40:52 -0400 (EST) From: doc Subject: indy/heartland To: multi-recipients of list Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this will be short for now... yes there was an unfortunate incident in indy fri... but heartland will go on as scheduled:) we have our permits and have had them for some time:) the incident at the club in indy fri was due to a council woman and local merchants who do not want rick's club to continue to be there. but it too is a very legal space. i will be posting all the info for heartland net raver discount and directions either tommorow or thursday at the latest. -doc From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 07:35:59 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA08299; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:35:59 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA08293; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:35:57 -0800 From: MaxximumSL@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA133587334; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:35:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:35:34 -0500 Message-Id: <950222103530_28971480@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Fuk LExington Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk is moved to Louisville for the people that still don't know. pEace and out French E From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 07:52:25 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA09078; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:52:25 -0800 Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA09072; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 07:52:22 -0800 From: AXION@delphi.com Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HNCI8C18CG9FPSVD@delphi.com>; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:41:11 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:41:11 -0500 (EST) Subject: bust potential of FUK KY? To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HNCI8C1HZM9FPSVD@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk does anyone have a feel for the bust potential of louiville FUK? i am hoping it is fully permitted, as well. any feedback on this would help me decide whether or not to make the long trek....thanks -=+AxIoN=+- From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 08:28:03 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA11286; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 08:28:03 -0800 Received: from ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA11277; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 08:27:59 -0800 Message-Id: <199502221627.IAA11277@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU by ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8806; Wed, 22 Feb 95 11:27:43 EST Received: from ULKYVM (CJCLAR01) by ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 6925; Wed, 22 Feb 95 11:27:43 EST Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 11:27:26 EST From: Subject: WAR DANCE!!! To: Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk C. Jason Clark ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (502) 852-0516 When you think of raves in the past 6 or 7 months what do you think of? It seems like for alot of people now they're afraid to drive out oftown because so many of our gatherings are getting busted. Heaven, Love Generator, Uplift, and all the other parties where we were sent home early, disappointed, and usually without a refund. What should we do about these situations? I don't think anyone that knows anything about our rave culture would even think we will give up and find something else to do. This isn't a trend, this is OUR LIFE! ! ! As Terence McKenna would say, this is an archaic revival, we're getting back to our tribal roots. So what did tribal people before us do when faced with a problem? THEY DANCED! Sometimes for days on end, ancient tribal "ravers" gathered in a spirit of love, community, and friendship and danced themselves into a frenzy. They knew that anger only breeds frustration. We need to feel sorry for those people who put us down, because they don't like themselves. They want to bring us down to their level of unhappiness. They know no other way but the way of boredom and misery. I think the worst part about this is that they don't even realise what they're doing. What would/could and officer do that was busting one of our parties and we all gave him a Blo- Pop? They can't lock us all up for being happy, can they? Think about what's happening. They're coming in and breaking us up because we're happy. If it was only about drugs, all they would have to do would be to have more of a presence at raves. No, they're scared of us and they don't know what else to do put put us down. Think about punk rock shows. People there don't like the system, either. But what do they do about it? They beat the shit out of EACH OTHER in the "mosh pit." They are in no way a threat to authority because they don't know to channel the energy they have. I love punk rockers, but alot of them hate me because I'm a raver. They don't know (yet) what this is about. So now is the time to break out the music, the candy, the energy, the happiness, the VIBE, and dance the WAR DANCE! Do it with a smile! Positive energy speaks for itself, let it do it's magic. Let them know we're not giving up. I don't know about you, but I'm ready to take this to the next level. We're doing this for a reason, people, so DON'T GIVE UP ! ! ! The weekend is coming. Try to remember these words while you're dancing. Give everyone a smile :) Hell, give everyone a hug! If you don't get anything back from them, just remember that they will remember you and will be forced to consider you're positive energy. If you feel a bad vibe at a party this weekend, TURN IT AROUND! Be Happy! Everyone will be forced to deal with you. Don't forget, we are at war. But we're not fighting on their field. We're gonna do this our way, on the dance floor. J-Sun, Mutate TFYQA P.S. - I'll be at FUK and Heartland this weekend, you'll know me by the big ole' smile on my ugly face. Peace... From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 08:56:27 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA12974; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 08:56:27 -0800 Received: from oistrakh.msen.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA12968; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 08:56:25 -0800 Received: from garnet.msen.com (garnet.msen.com [148.59.1.11]) by oistrakh.msen.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA00507; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:56:22 -0500 Received: by garnet.msen.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0rhKMS-0013BLC; Wed, 22 Feb 95 11:56 EST Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:56:24 -0500 (EST) From: Plus 8 Records X-Sender: plastik@garnet.msen.com To: Jeff Davis cc: MWRaves Subject: Re: FUK In-Reply-To: <199502192025.OAA23592@cyclone.xnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just a quick note to say thanks to everyone who came out to the FUK event in St. Louis, and special thanks to everyone who stuck it out as long as possible!! Thanks. Richie From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 10:36:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA18920; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:36:33 -0800 Received: from bronze.coil.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA18907; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:36:29 -0800 Received: from localhost (eluna@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) id NAA16146; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 13:37:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 13:37:47 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Luna To: mwraves Subject: Re: WAR DANCE!!! In-Reply-To: <199502221627.IAA11277@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i dont mean to bring down the positivity of this message but i was personally concerned about a couple of things. keep in mind that i am a critical person who wants to elevate the discussion, NOT bring it down ("nice disclaimer, ed"). i was a little insulted about the use of the term "war dance." this aint worth raising too many cockles about but in tribal societies the war dance took place to celebrate victory over another opponent or to ask for strength for an oncoming battle. THIS was a wardance, dont kid yourself. and people in these societies did not dance solely to have a "proto-rave" to feel good. dancing served specific ritual needs, in line with their religious beliefs. raves, on the other hand, are a backlash movement from within the bourgeoisie for the most part, and only occur in the developed nations. it is a bourgeois phenomenon, to a large extent divorced from its roots. let's face it: most of us are middle class kids from the suburbs or more affluent urban areas, and this aint got nothing to do with ritual. this is one reason i always harp on black music as the source of techno (not the only one obviously but it is intricately tied primarily with black modes of expression), because in that case you have a movement from below the bourgeoise, from what is essentially a "third world country" within america. this is not a racist statement, this is a fact. anyone been to detroit? parties there have mostly black dj's with white suburban kids dancing, in the shittiest area of town. the white kids think this is "cool" while the black dj's have to LIVE there. anyone ever think of that? i think chicago and some other places are similar. on the other hand, i am not condemning us for trying to attain a tribalistic thing of our own, in a way it is like "white people getting in touch with rhythm" (by "white" i mean ppl who act and are treated like anglo-saxons) which is good. wearing rave gear, the way we talk, dance, act, the way we use technology; these are all part of the ritual. the danger is that we forget that for societies that cannot afford the standard of living which we take for granted--in which technology is all around us and easily-accessible, in which we have little fear of not knowing where our next meal comes from ("hmmm, mcdonalds or wendys...i cant decide!!"), in which all kinds of useless commodities are begging to be bought by our plentiful dollars--dancing is more than just a "weekend rave." for people who dont have what we have, dancing is a necessary therapeutic for a life of hardship which, unlike us, they can't "step out of." just thought i would put things in perspective. feel free to poke holes in this post. ++ e d From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 10:44:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA19560; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:44:19 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA19555; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 10:44:16 -0800 Received: from alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (synergy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.2]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id MAA27466; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:44:23 -0600 Received: (synergy@localhost) by alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) id MAA29800; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:44:22 -0600 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:44:22 -0600 (CST) From: "Brad Owen (Massive Magazine)" To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com, so-deep@netcom.com Subject: Re: F Communications/GGS In-Reply-To: <01HNBDAWNI2W95NWRG@uwplatt.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Looks like Brad Butzke's been readin Massive Magazine > F Communications: > ----------------- > 1. Dune, Alliance EP Well...this one really didn't do alot for me...despite the fact that it was produced by the almighty Pascal FEOS of Resistance D and someone else (I want to say L. Garnier but I can't guarantee it). Two tracker of some pretty mediocre trance music. Not awful but not a kicker by any stretch of the imagination. > 2. St. Germain En Laye, Mezzotinto EP Well...first off...St. Germain and En Laye belong together to form "St. Germain En Laye." This one is decent...not as "rad" as his previous Ep but still is worth your time. Produced by the Almighty Ludovic Navarre. > 4. Aurora Borealis, The Milky Way Don't have it...It's an uptempo trancer. > 5. Juan Trip, Masterpiece Trilogy The name says it all. > 9. Scan X, Random Access EP Mid Tempo Acid Trance...much like their previous Ep > 10. Shazz, A View of Manhattan One of my favorite records of 94...In fact, I listened to it yesterday. Very funky deep and jazzy house from the master, L. Navarre aussi. > 11. Laurent Garnier, Astral Dreams > 12. Laurent Garnier, Shot in the Dark LP > 13. Lady B, Vice Versa Very Good Progressive House with some acid lines. Much Recommended > 14. Aurora Borealis, Raz w/ Piano Luva > > GGS (Going Global Services): > ---------------------------- > 1. Rachid Tara, Voila Voila > 2. Rachid Tara, Indie > 3. Khaled, Chebba > 4. Khaled, N'ssi N'ssi > 5. Mary Kante, Mogo Dioglo/Yeke Yeke Going Global Services is a slammin label...very hard to find in this part of the US but it's much worth your time and effort. Especially Pascal FEOS' remix of Mogo Dioglo...this track is mind-blowing. The Hardfloor remix of the old acid house track Yeke Yeke is another floor filling kicker. Hope that helps Ramylbitch. Brad -------------------------- ----------------------------------------- - - - Brad J. Owen (Synergy) - - --------- - - - - ------------- - - Quadrasonic Promotions - - --------------- - - Massive Magazine - - --- ------- --- - - - - - ----- - - - Milwaukee, Wisconsin - - --- - - - - - - - synergy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu - - - - - -------------------------- ----------------------------------------- From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 11:35:41 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA22577; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:35:41 -0800 Received: from strauss.udel.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA22560; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:35:37 -0800 Received: (from dostroff@localhost) by strauss.udel.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) id OAA24897; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 14:35:45 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 14:35:44 -0500 (EST) From: Daniel Ostroff To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: ZOOLU INFO (IMPORTANT!!) (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Here are the directions that you've been waiting for, luckily they are quite easy!!!!! Take whatever southbound interstate is closest to you, to get to I-10. This is a east and west running interstate which spans the entirety of the bottom of the country. Once you reach I-10, coming from east of the Mississippi River, head WEST towards New Orleans and exit on 235 A (French Quarter Exit). This will take you to Basin St. Follow Basin St., it will veer to the left off of the exit ramp. Go twelve blocks till you come to Canal St. (a reaaly major st.) When you get to the light at Canal, you should be able to see the state palace theater across the street to the left. Zoolu Sat. Feb 25 will be on the theater marquise. If you're coming from west of the Mississippi River, take the I-10 going east, towards New Orleans and exit at the Vieux Carre exit. (Sorry, we don't know the number). This will also drop you off at Basin St. Go 8 blocks and you'll end up at the light on Canal. Other news: The cover for Zoolu is $15 at the door, no tickets are being presold. Just to be safe, bring your own water, we're not sure if the theater will be selling it or giving it away, we're not in charge of concessions, so they can do as they please. Just remember, its better to be safe than sorry, please try to park in a secured parking lot, its worth it. You probably won't find good parking anyway, seeing as its the most crowded time of the year. If you need help once you get here don't hesitate to call 1-800-807-2357. We will be checking for messages every twenty minutes. If you have a dire emergency, call 891-5118 and ask for Dan or Ed, also call 527-0076, and ask for Dan, Dave, or John and tell them what's up. Afterparty info....... The afterparty for Zoolu, wil be FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! 8 AM to 2 PM sunday morning. Flyers with maos to the space will be handed out at Zoolu. Then, on Sunday night, for those who will still be with us, there is another killer party which has been renamed PRIME. The flyers for this will be given out at Zoolu as well. All in all, a slammin weekend of parties, plus MARDI GRAS. The french Quarter is located between Canal and Esplanade from North to south, and rampart to the river east to west. Check it out to see the sights. You can't drive there though, because it is all blocked off for the parades..... and if anyone says they bet they can tell you where you got your shoes at, say whatever street your on or on your feet, or just say fuck you and walk on. The charge for Prime is $6, and advance tickets can be purchased for that at Cyberpig, 1201 Decatur St. in the French Quarter. peace, see ya soon Daniel E From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 11:38:54 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA22924; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:38:54 -0800 Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA22918; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:38:50 -0800 From: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Message-Id: <199502221938.LAA22918@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0821; Wed, 22 Feb 95 13:36:25 CST Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 13:15:02 CST To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Wardance Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I can totally agree with Ed Luna previous statement. It's already bad that raver are using the term "jungle music" which has reference back in the 20's when whites were dancing to Duke Ellington, Cab Calloway and other swing bands trying to be hip. Things haven't changed. I'm from Chicago and grew up in the house scene. Most of the original people involved in house music were Black and Puerto Rican (who basically invented the rhythms patterns of house music.) The other people were running around looking like the Cure, watching the "Breakfast Club" and saying that house music will never make it and new wave will be the voice of the youth. The only thing I can say about this "wardance" is that from what I learn from music history (Elvis stealing from Blacks, BeeGees taking disco, Vanilla Ice weak attempt at rap, Benny Goodman with jazz) that whites will never give props where it is due and would rather make insulting mockery comments about our contributions to music and to society(Football teams for example)... All I want to say is to please stop using names that may be offensive to a cultural society. We are all a part of this and let's begin to respect that.. Peace, Zheam From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 11:39:25 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA22995; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:39:25 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA22989; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 11:39:23 -0800 From: venn@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0rhMuu-0000LsC; Wed, 22 Feb 95 13:40 CST Message-Id: Subject: techno as art- techno list anyone? To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 13:40:07 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 461 I'm wondering if anyone on this list is interested in starting a techno mailing list, for ol'skool style techno (as opposed to Richie Hawtin's techno, for example). I realize most of the people on this list just relate to the music as something to listen to as they dump mass drugs into their bodies, but hopefully some of you take techno to be more than just background noise. If you are one of those persons, drop me some email, venn@mtech.csd.uwm.edu. Venn From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 12:13:22 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA25340; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:13:22 -0800 Received: from ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA25320; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:13:15 -0800 Received: by ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu id AA26109 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mwraves ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 15:12:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 15:12:23 -0400 (EST) From: ian s bortolotti Subject: Re: WAR DANCE!!! To: Ed Luna Cc: mwraves In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Feb 1995, Ed Luna wrote: > just thought i would put things in perspective. feel free to poke holes > in this post. > ++ > e d I think it is maybe a good point that "war dance" is perhaps a contradiction of terms when used synonymously with "rave". But where the hell is this getting turned into a cultural, and economic issue. I think dancing has been pretty much a universal means of expression for people of all cultures. Who really cares that a situation might involve a black DJ and White listeners. What the hell does that have to do with anything? We are not trying to solve socio-economic problems by dancing to the music..for many people (myself included) it is a ritual of personification..which by it's very nature makes me feel beautiful about myself...and evryone else around me. This seems to be a UNIFYING experience. I could care less the reasons people dance...or even whether they do it well...The point he was trying to make is that we are a family....united by a common interest in music....being IMPOSED upon by authorities for UNJUST REASONS. I don't want to go too far into this, but I think your message only proves his point. There is too much division. Love by it's very nature is uniting two of anything into one. Let's sread a little, eh? Much love to you all, - E From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 12:27:20 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA26482; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:27:20 -0800 Received: from goalkeeper.d2.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA26470; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:27:15 -0800 Received: from d2.com by goalkeeper.d2.com via UUCP (931110.SGI/(930416.SGI)1.0-D2.COM-OUTERELAY) for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com id AA20738; Wed, 22 Feb 95 12:26:30 -0800 Received: from blackhawks-e.d2.com by omaha.d2.com via SMTP (920330.SGI/(921111.SGI)1.1-D2.COM-RELAY) for venn@mtech.csd.uwm.edu id AA20073; Wed, 22 Feb 95 12:27:20 -0800 Received: by blackhawks.d2.com (931110.SGI/(921111.SGI)1.1-D2.COM) for @omaha.d2.com:mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com id AA04052; Wed, 22 Feb 95 12:27:17 -0800 From: fixer@d2.com (Robert Smith) Message-Id: <9502222027.AA04052@blackhawks.d2.com> Subject: Re: techno as art- techno list anyone? To: venn@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 12:27:17 -0800 (PST) Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "venn@mtech.csd.uwm.edu" at Feb 22, 95 01:40:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1160 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk BEGIN QUOTE FROM venn@mtech.csd.uwm.edu: : : I'm wondering if anyone on this list is interested in starting : a techno mailing list, for ol'skool style techno (as opposed to Richie : Hawtin's techno, for example). I realize most of the people on this : list just relate to the music as something to listen to as they dump : mass drugs into their bodies, but hopefully some of you take techno to : be more than just background noise. If you are one of those persons, : drop me some email, venn@mtech.csd.uwm.edu. Venn : : : There already is just such a group, called the (313) list. Send mail to majordomo@hyperreal.com with the message of "subscribe 313" (without the quotes. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ fixer@d2.com is Robert Smith Digital Domain phone: 310/314-2920 300 Rose Avenue fax: 310/314-2866 Venice, CA 90291 _____________________________________________________________________________ "The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves." From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 13:22:09 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA00560; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 13:22:09 -0800 Received: from mik.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA00549; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 13:22:06 -0800 Received: from nx29.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA11361; Wed, 22 Feb 95 16:21:37 -0500 From: Jim Owens Message-Id: <9502222121.AA11361@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx29.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA04014; Wed, 22 Feb 95 16:19:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 16:19:44 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: FUK netlist Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all!!! Here is who is on the net list for FUK in louisville as of 2/22/95 3:40pm Thomas R. Schmidt Sung Shim Craig L. Stodolenak amy waldowski becca maslow Anthony Cosco Rob Baltzer James Clyde Temple Janice Lynn Vielhaber Kimm Follett Chris Kozup Kyle Larson Jonathan Morris Brian Ayo Knowles Jason Clark kimberly j smock Ellen Steuer Kris Ellen Grotelueschen Jessica Brown bradley w rolf Tim Elmer Patrick M. Morrissey Brad Jiulianti Josh Toole Kelly Ann Cunningham Jennifer Palmer james johnston katerina tamburro Charley Bryce Todd Jones Kim Crane Andrew Bennett Joe ? (dynamic groove) Nathan Curry jonathan thomas Jenny Roller marissa holden Rique Curtis If you aren't on there and want to be, mail me PRONTO!!! Please, each person needs to mail me from her/his account. Please include your real name for this posting. THE DEADLINE FOR MAILING TO GET ON THE LIST IS THURSDAY 2/23/95 @ NOON EST!!! Thanks to all =) See you all there!!! *~cosmic~~~ From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 13:39:25 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id NAA01701; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 13:39:25 -0800 Received: from ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA01694; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 13:39:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199502222139.NAA01694@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU by ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2880; Wed, 22 Feb 95 16:39:03 EST Received: from ULKYVM (CJCLAR01) by ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 0197; Wed, 22 Feb 95 16:39:03 EST Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 16:38:38 EST From: Subject: War Dance To: Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk C. Jason Clark ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (502) 852-0516 Hey Guys, there's no need to get so defensive about what I said. I am no one's enemy, and I think War Dance is a perfect expression of how I feel. My original post was mostly about the cops and parties getting busted. I am "asking for strength for an upcoming battle," because that's what it will be if they keep putting us down. Look at the Criminal Justice Bill over in England. Do you want that to happen here? The way you guys talk, I have to wonder why you're a raver at all. Not to be negative, but you both sound like you've given up on what the whole thing is about. You guys are categorizing "whites" in one big lump in exactly the same way you don't like others categorized in one big lump. This rave movement is something that's never been done before, give it a chance. Just because I'm white doesn't mean I have bad intentions. One other thing. When you talk of upper, lower, and middle class, remember that we're not all the same. Just because you do or don't have money doesn't mean anything. There are honorable rich people, you know. Now here's a great big ((((*********************HUG**********************)))) I still love you guys. Peace, J-Sun From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 14:01:17 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA03335; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 14:01:17 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA03329; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 14:01:14 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA01210 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 17:01:22 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 17:02:21 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950222170221.20a13a61@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: My perspective of.... Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ...dance music history. This is how I see it and I realize there are many other perspectives. Any Thoughts? Blues(Negro Spirituals) | Jazz(Bebop) | Jazz & Calypso(Dizzy Gelespie) | Herbie Mann(Salsa, Samba 50's & Sixties) Sergio Mendez | R&B(Early-Late 70's) | Isley Brothers Tangerine Dream(60-70's) | Sly Stone | | Tine Turner Pink Floyd Other Carribean Flavors? |______yep______| | | | \_____________________/ COMPUTER MUSIC(late 70's) | Some called it new wave | Kraftwerk DISCO(Mid-Late 70's) Ryuchi Sakamoto We know who these are | | | |<- - - - - - - - - - - - ->|------>EUROTECHNO(80-90) HOUSE MUSIC(Early 80's) | Section 22 DJ Silk etc. | Severed Heads ?(not Sure) | Vicious Pink | | ---------------| | Rap | |<-------------------------| | Thank Genesis P. \ | \ | | \ | \------| | \ EARLY DETROIT TECHNO | ACID HOUSE(Mid 80's) \ Model 500 SOUL SONIC FOURCE (Before Rotterdam Style) \ Cybotron / "Planet Rock" Tricky Miss Nikki \ D.May J. Atkins / | \ | | \ | | \<-------------------->| | | | | CHICAGO STYLE HOUSE DETROIT STYLE TECHNO(Mid80's) | Adonis & Other Traxx Blake Baxter | Artists My Man Mark Kinchen | | Final Cut | | | |<--------------------<---------------------<--' | | | | EURO STYLE TECHNO (late 80's-90's) | T-99 | NEW AGE ? ABMBIENT Stuff From Amsterdam & Germany | Tengerine Dream \ / Brian Eno \-----------><-----------/ Gong | Ravi Shankar Current Day Techno | There are too many | to Consider _____ | | / \-------------/ | TRANCE I realize that I've violated my self imposed ban, but I couldn't help this one. Miles From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 14:17:26 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA04401; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 14:17:26 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA04396; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 14:17:24 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0rhPNs-0000LuC; Wed, 22 Feb 95 16:18 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: re: perspective To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:18:10 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 601 Forwarded message: ::From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com :: :: | Ravi Shankar :: Current Day Techno | :: There are too many | :: to Consider _____ | :: | / :: \-------------/ :: | :: TRANCE Need I say anything else? ;-) t r a n c e l e m e n t a l i s t t h o u g h t a subsidiary of kharmachanic industries stevenJ --- emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 14:24:51 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA04932; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 14:24:51 -0800 Received: from ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA04907; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 14:24:45 -0800 Received: by ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu id AA28478 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 17:23:31 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 17:23:30 -0400 (EST) From: ian s bortolotti Subject: Re: Wardance To: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199502221938.LAA22918@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Feb 1995 AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU wrote: > I can totally agree with Ed Luna previous statement. It's already bad that > raver are using the term "jungle music" which has reference back in the 20's > when whites were dancing to Duke Ellington, Cab Calloway and other swing bands > trying to be hip. Things haven't changed. I think "jungle" refers to the possible influence of Central South American percussion influence. I don't think people are intending for it to be a racist sentiment....I guess I could be wrong. Thanks for enlightening me about the "trying to be hip" thing. I always wondered why I liked Big Band Jazz and it's fusions. I'm sorry that a non-ethnic person can only "try" to be hip. What a bummer. > rhythms patterns of house music.) The other people were running around looking > like the Cure, watching the "Breakfast Club" and saying that house music will > never make it and new wave will be the voice of the youth. Whatever....man. > The only thing I can say about this "wardance" is that from what I learn from > music history (Elvis stealing from Blacks, BeeGees taking disco, Vanilla Ice > weak attempt at rap, Benny Goodman with jazz) that whites will never give props > where it is due and would rather make insulting mockery comments about our > contributions to music and to society(Football teams for example)... What?!?! Who's denying that blacks have made enormous contributions to many different types of music? They have and do....as does everyone. What the hell is this comment for? This is a racist comment, my friend. > All I want to say is to please stop using names that may be offensive to a > cultural society. We are all a part of this and let's begin to respect that.. You should have left it at this. By the way....it's not exactly a name....but "trying to be hip" when refering to "whites" cuts awfully close. Sounds like you need a hug, man. Peace.... -E From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 14:29:06 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id OAA05257; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 14:29:06 -0800 Received: from UKCC.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA05250; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 14:29:02 -0800 Message-Id: <199502222229.OAA05250@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from UKCC.UKY.EDU by UKCC.uky.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3158; Wed, 22 Feb 95 17:28:30 EST Received: from ukcc.uky.edu (NJE origin THELME00@UKCC) by UKCC.UKY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1970; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 17:28:30 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 17:26:14 EST From: tim To: mw-raves@TAZ.HYPERREAL.COM Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk my advice on FUK Louisville? GO!!! come from WHEREVER! nothing is bust free, but as far as i know, all the permits are completely in order here. i am not an official source, i'm just advising you in case Jim or JJ or whoever doesn't get a chance. they're kinda busy. and after FUK, gotta go to Heartland! later. From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 15:05:51 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA07693; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 15:05:51 -0800 Received: from UKCC.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA07684; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 15:05:48 -0800 Message-Id: <199502222305.PAA07684@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from UKCC.UKY.EDU by UKCC.uky.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5095; Wed, 22 Feb 95 18:02:41 EST Received: from ukcc.uky.edu (NJE origin THELME00@UKCC) by UKCC.UKY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6644; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 18:00:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 17:59:02 EST From: tim Subject: coming soon to a venue near you... To: mw-raves@TAZ.HYPERREAL.COM Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Valley of the Unknowns more info later From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 15:26:21 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id PAA09199; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 15:26:21 -0800 Received: from gold.tc.umn.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA09191; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 15:26:16 -0800 Received: from dialup-2-94.gw.umn.edu by gold.tc.umn.edu; Wed, 22 Feb 95 17:21:29 -0500 From: "Kirk Mona" Reply-To: "Kirk Mona" To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Are we on target??? Message-Id: <2f4bc6fb16f0002@gold.tc.umn.edu> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 95 17:21:34 -0500 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk In message writes: > This post came from a conversation that a freind and I had after Vger. > Many of us (ravers) belive in this so called belife of a VIBE but what is > it? Many say it is the feeling of unity and togtherness amoung fellow > ravers. But why is it almost imposible to just smile at someone on the > dance floor and recive a smile in return. Most of the time people just > get scared and look the other way or act as if they are zoned out (wich > somtimes is possible). It also seems to strike up some form of a > conversation > one must either have somthing in common or must give something to gain a > responce i.e. candy,water,stickers,so on and so on. Does this so called > VIBE still exsist today? Yes, we just need to try harder. I was always afraid to talk to strangers at raves but I've found that when you do it can be very rewarding. I've met some really nice people I would dare call friends. So you smile at someone and they don't smile back. Don't let that stop you! They won't lighten up if you don't. If you go up to someone and they don't respond nicely then move on. Everyone isn't a meany, were just shy. If stickers are your style...great...but otherwise...oh no...they've commercialized this phrase but..."just do it" -hi, I'm kirk and you are? And on the lables thing I know some people are more easily offended than others so be careful what lables you use when refering to peoples ethnic background. The one that came to mind that I saw was anglo-saxon. I think it was used as a generic substitute for "white". There's alot of white people with no anglo nor saxon origins. I'm nordic but should all that stuff really even matter? I'm not sure. -in the dark we all look the same and we all dance. Please, views on this? whatever all, thanks for the brain food Kirk Mona | "We shall never be able to remove suspicion and fear monax002@gold.tc.umn.edu | as potential causes of war until communication is student of many things | permitted to flow, free and open, across kmona | international borders." -Harry S. Truman -Are we there yet harry?- From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 16:12:04 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA11960; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:12:04 -0800 Received: from infochi.infochi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA11952; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:11:58 -0800 Received: by infochi.infochi.com id AA15239 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for mwraves ); Wed, 22 Feb 1995 18:13:08 -0600 Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 19:04:33 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Shea Subject: Re: WAR DANCE!!! To: Ed Luna Cc: mwraves In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Wed, 22 Feb 1995, Ed Luna wrote: > i dont mean to bring down the positivity of this message but i was > personally concerned about a couple of things. keep in mind that i am a > > raves, on the other hand, are a backlash movement from within the > bourgeoisie for the most part, and only occur in the developed nations. > it is a bourgeois phenomenon, to a large extent divorced from its roots. > let's face it: most of us are middle class kids from the suburbs or more > affluent urban areas, and this aint got nothing to do with ritual. I don't agree. Of course, many ravers are from "suburbs or more affluent urban areas", but who says that everyone isn't entitled to rituals? Rituals are rituals, no matter who throws them or where you're from. It's got everything to do with ritual for me, and for most of my friends who rave. The American Heritage Dictionary offers several definitions of "ritual", one of which is "a ceremonial act or series of such acts; the performance of such acts". From the map point, to the expectations we develop from certain DJs and the music they play, to the toys, to the (for some) ingestion of drugs, candy, waffles, etc...there is a pattern here, a regularity and mood (sometimes a rise, sometimes a fall) that we count on. That's ritual, and for a lot of us, it's as close to organized religion as it gets. > america. this is not a racist statement, this is a fact. anyone been to > detroit? parties there have mostly black dj's with white suburban kids > dancing, in the shittiest area of town. the white kids think this is > "cool" while the black dj's have to LIVE there. anyone ever think of > that? i think chicago and some other places are similar. True enough. But one way of breaking down the suburbs is by draining them of their young. Raves are a good way to do that, no? By encouraging suburban kids (who shouldn't be slammed just for being brought up where they were; there's nothing noble about slamming someone just to draw attention to somebody else's plight) to abandon the suburbs for a night, you might change a viewpoint. I've seen it happen. However, ritual in itself is meaningless without a greater power or perspective. For some of us, that greater perspective/power/sense of purpose lies in the togetherness that the beat itself promotes. For some others, it's in a more defined sense of deity. Just a few cents worth... Love y'all Stu From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 16:22:12 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id QAA12553; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:22:12 -0800 Received: from lulu.acns.nwu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA12547; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 16:22:10 -0800 From: yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu Received: by lulu.acns.nwu.edu (1.37.109.11/20.3) id AA038658937; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 18:22:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199502230022.AA038658937@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Subject: *new radio show* To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 22 Feb 1995 18:22:17 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 293 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk To anyone in Chicago and suburbs. Today (Wedneday) will be my first Techno radio show. If your near a radio tune in for 1.5 hours of non stop music. Besides me the net's d siska (chemdave) will be spinning. Its from 12:30am - 2:00am on WNUR 89.3FM. So check it out!!! peace fantasia From mw-raves-owner Wed Feb 22 22:56:28 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id WAA02947; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 22:56:28 -0800 Received: from ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA02942; Wed, 22 Feb 1995 22:56:25 -0800 Received: by ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu id AA00136 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for multi-recipients of list ); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 01:55:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 01:55:44 -0400 (EST) From: doc Subject: HEARTLAND(INFO) To: multi-recipients of list Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ok... net-ravers get your fingers ready!!! sorry we can't do a better discount, but... $2 dollars off is the best we can do for this party. so e-mail this account by friday at noon with your address to get the discount. for those who are wondering about bust-ability... we have a legally permited venue. but as far as pot smoking... that could get us busted. so... THERE WILL BE NO!!! POT SMOKING IN THE BUILDING!!! for your own protection, i suggest that if you do have anything with you... that you take measures to keep it hidden. take it from me... I KNOW:( i will post the directions for the party sometime tommorow. until then... be safe:) -doc From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 01:07:39 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id BAA08255; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 01:07:39 -0800 Received: from lulu.acns.nwu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA08250; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 01:07:36 -0800 From: yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu Received: by lulu.acns.nwu.edu (1.37.109.11/20.3) id AA202860466; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 03:07:46 -0600 Message-Id: <199502230907.AA202860466@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Subject: radio show To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 03:07:46 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 416 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well I hope you who listend liked it. I got to give credit to Chris another dj who came to spin tonight. We will be playing in Two (2) weeks again. Same day (wed) same time (12:30-2:00) same channel (WNUR 89.3 FM). Only next time I'll be playing a gabber set (the one at the end tonight was not serious). I should be playing some good shit (hopefuly). To anyone who listend what did you think? peace fantasia From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 02:25:53 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id CAA10502; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 02:25:53 -0800 Received: from bronze.coil.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id CAA10496; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 02:25:49 -0800 Received: from localhost (eluna@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) id FAA01492; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:27:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 05:27:13 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Luna To: mwraves Subject: class, tribalism, etc Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well im glad some of us got talking again. that's the point. i hope no one thought i was trying to totally dis the original message of positivity: optimism like that can be refreshing, but it can also be naive. on other tangents: i hope no one thinks that all whites have done is steal black music for its commercialization. benny goodman is accused of this, but in truth he was among the few who hired "coloreds" throughout the swing period of the 30s and beyond. whose fault is it that he stagnated artistically after WWII? elvis was rather a pig, giving no props, but he did make a new sound out of his own experiences. today's techno artists pluck from all these traditions, some of which miles points out in his diagram. in truth blacks "steal" from whites just as much...the point being that all of us are intertwined too much to truly be able to separate things like this. this is not a divisive statement. i must point out however that whites (and again i mean those who look like or act or who are treated white; the dominant culture) have an unfair advantage in so many areas that often times black and other minority (thanks to whoever reminded me of the puerto rican connection to house) contributions are exploited for commercial ends. welcome to capitalism. there is no moral imperitave in capitalism, and there can't be. no such thing. get it in your heads. so in this sense, yes, we should have a war dance, to fight this! but this is sounding like socialism, which has its obvious problems. also: i dont deny that raves are ritual: what im questioning is whether ritual can be good or bad. doing drugs as a ritual is not necessarily good or bad, but it's in the scene and here to stay. "good" and "bad" are purely subjective so if i cant determine what a good ritual is then no one can. that's just it: no one can. what we do is a ritual, so what? so was human sacrifice in some societies. so is eating turkey for thanksgiving. they all serve the same needs from an anthropological point of view: to reinforce community, reinforce patterns of exploitation, etc etc. "good" and "bad" mean less in this context. case in point: i personally feel like all this plur drivel detracts from the real issues, and replaces them with this all-encompassing "love" which to me seems fake and gooshy. how do you determine what love is to me? part of it is being able to be critical and have a knowledge of history and of ourselves. but that's just me. so this ritual of plur makes me cringe. to others, it is a rallying cry for unity. so it's negative and positive. however just by talking about it it has proven it is important. see? another point: by referring to class i am not lumping everyone into that category of suburban middle class whatevers...some of us arent. raves as a "bourgeois" phenomenon is a TREND, not a RULE. predominantly this group has been the one to latch onto its concepts. i also do not intend it to be a judgement call, it just IS. and anyone who thinks "were all the same" needs to stop smokin da ganja. the point of my post was lost: most of us havent gone hungry in any significant way, none of us (ok very few of us IF any) have EVER had to face this shit. this forms us, and again the general trend is that we (myself included) take food an a lot of other things for granted. i dont see how anyone can deny this. which brings me back to my original concern, which i'll restate differently here: should we be taking concepts from a people who (to this day) are, for the most part, in VERY bad economic shape (excluding the casino-owning tribes), and tacking them onto the "rave" culture? i think this is tacky at best. at least plur is not an "aquired" idea...someone here made it up based on hippie shit (*said with non-ironic love*). if we DO do this, we should be careful to know where the shit comes from, and imho give props where props are due. anyone who doesnt agree with this is against what i stand for, but obviously i cant do anything about it except to write it here and hope some ppl get it. someone's gotta remember what shit is and where it came from, but not everyone feels that responsibility. them's the breaks. well this is a rather uneven response, i apologize for the clutter. keep talking ++ e d From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 02:58:29 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id CAA11284; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 02:58:29 -0800 Received: from mik.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id CAA11279; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 02:58:26 -0800 Received: from nx13.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA10498; Thu, 23 Feb 95 05:58:37 -0500 From: jerry marvin haws Message-Id: <9502231058.AA10498@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx13.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA02593; Thu, 23 Feb 95 05:57:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 05:57:10 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: FUK / louisville / impending directions Reply-To: jsquared Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk we're going this morning to drive to the space from all angles. we'll come back this afternoon and post directions. presale tickets will be available at Better Days tonight and tomorrow, and probably at the Thursday night cinci party with Derrick Carter & Miles Maeda & Bobadob. j2 From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 04:46:29 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id EAA14684; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 04:46:29 -0800 Received: from m-net148.arbornet.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id EAA14676; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 04:46:22 -0800 Received: by m-net148.arbornet.org (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0rhcvc-000hcRC; Thu, 23 Feb 95 07:45 WET Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 07:45:55 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Lynn Hill Subject: HEARTKAND!!! To: "Brad Owen (Massive Magazine)" cc: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu, mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com, so-deep@netcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay kids..... Anyone who is coming to Jason and my apartment on Saturday afternoon before Heartland, here is directions and times etc..... Take I-65 South (if you are coming from the North) or I-65 North (if you are coming from the south) and get off at the Lafayette/West Lafayette exit that is SR 43. You are gonna take it west. It goes for about 5 miles, and you come to a big stoplight with a mcdonalds on your right hand side. Go through this light (it curves a little to the right) and take a right at the first street which is Wood St. Go to the first Stoplight and make a left (this is Chauncey) on your right side, there is a park on the corner, then 2 houses, at the parking lot after the two houses, turn in. There is a 3-story apartment building there, we are on the 3rd floor, #34. Anyone who wants to come, is basically welcome. Just try not to get there before about 1 or 2pm sor I can get some sleep (i work nights!!) WE are just gonna hang out and meet people, play atari, watch cable, and listen to music, get munchies, whatever!! Sorry, no turntables, but this is a quiet hang-out day!!! Also, anyone who needs crash space after FUK in Louisville, is welcome to come up, i'll be home after 7:30am on Saturday. =) =) I can't wait to meet people!!! Also, I think we still might need some room for a few lost purdue raverss, so if anyone has room, let me know!!!! if you need other directions, call (317) 743-3483 *hugs and smoooches* jen From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 04:46:42 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id EAA14722; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 04:46:42 -0800 Received: from m-net148.arbornet.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id EAA14717; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 04:46:35 -0800 Received: by m-net148.arbornet.org (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0rhcvR-000hcPC; Thu, 23 Feb 95 07:45 WET Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 07:45:44 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Lynn Hill Subject: HEARTKAND!!! To: "Brad Owen (Massive Magazine)" cc: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu, mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com, so-deep@netcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay kids..... Anyone who is coming to Jason and my apartment on Saturday afternoon before Heartland, here is directions and times etc..... Take I-65 South (if you are coming from the North) or I-65 North (if you are coming from the south) and get off at the Lafayette/West Lafayette exit that is SR 43. You are gonna take it west. It goes for about 5 miles, and you come to a big stoplight with a mcdonalds on your right hand side. Go through this light (it curves a little to the right) and take a right at the first street which is Wood St. Go to the first Stoplight and make a left (this is Chauncey) on your right side, there is a park on the corner, then 2 houses, at the parking lot after the two houses, turn in. There is a 3-story apartment building there, we are on the 3rd floor, #34. Anyone who wants to come, is basically welcome. Just try not to get there before about 1 or 2pm sor I can get some sleep (i work nights!!) WE are just gonna hang out and meet people, play atari, watch cable, and listen to music, get munchies, whatever!! Sorry, no turntables, but this is a quiet hang-out day!!! Also, anyone who needs crash space after FUK in Louisville, is welcome to come up, i'll be home after 7:30am on Saturday. =) =) I can't wait to meet people!!! Also, I think we still might need some room for a few lost purdue raverss, so if anyone has room, let me know!!!! if you need other directions, call (317) 743-3483 *hugs and smoooches* jen From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 04:47:12 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id EAA14782; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 04:47:12 -0800 Received: from m-net148.arbornet.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id EAA14776; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 04:47:08 -0800 Received: by m-net148.arbornet.org (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0rhcwV-000hcRC; Thu, 23 Feb 95 07:46 WET Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 07:46:51 -0500 (EST) From: Jennifer Lynn Hill Subject: HEARTKAND!!! To: "Brad Owen (Massive Magazine)" cc: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu, mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com, so-deep@netcom.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Okay kids..... Anyone who is coming to Jason and my apartment on Saturday afternoon before Heartland, here is directions and times etc..... Take I-65 South (if you are coming from the North) or I-65 North (if you are coming from the south) and get off at the Lafayette/West Lafayette exit that is SR 43. You are gonna take it west. It goes for about 5 miles, and you come to a big stoplight with a mcdonalds on your right hand side. Go through this light (it curves a little to the right) and take a right at the first street which is Wood St. Go to the first Stoplight and make a left (this is Chauncey) on your right side, there is a park on the corner, then 2 houses, at the parking lot after the two houses, turn in. There is a 3-story apartment building there, we are on the 3rd floor, #34. Anyone who wants to come, is basically welcome. Just try not to get there before about 1 or 2pm sor I can get some sleep (i work nights!!) WE are just gonna hang out and meet people, play atari, watch cable, and listen to music, get munchies, whatever!! Sorry, no turntables, but this is a quiet hang-out day!!! Also, anyone who needs crash space after FUK in Louisville, is welcome to come up, i'll be home after 7:30am on Saturday. =) =) I can't wait to meet people!!! Also, I think we still might need some room for a few lost purdue raverss, so if anyone has room, let me know!!!! if you need other directions, call (317) 743-3483 *hugs and smoooches* jen From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 06:03:10 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id GAA17868; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 06:03:10 -0800 Received: from clarion.cec.wustl.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA17863; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 06:03:07 -0800 Received: by clarion.cec.wustl.edu (5.0/ECL-A1.27) id AA19928; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:03:04 -0600 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:03:03 -0600 (CST) From: Kris Ellen Grotelueschen X-Sender: keg1@clarion To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Cc: "Jay R. Wells" , eric Subject: road trippin' Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 591 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey all!! jay well/soy sos, eric wilcox/hobbes, and i (krisg) are going road tripping for spring break (march 4- march 12). so far our only plans are to make it out to baby blue in boston on the 4th, but on the way home we want to meet as many of you as possible. . . soooo....... . . . . . . . . . if you'd like to meet us, mail one of us (addresses listed at the end) so that we can plan our journey. you may be asking why on earth you'd want to meet us. . . well, (to quote my roomate) "'cause you're phucking cool". . .and we aren't carc+}b`vcfx|0\lc X-Sender: keg1@ritz To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Cc: eric , "Jay R. Wells" Subject: road trippin' Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1210 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ok. .. second try (sorry 'bout that. . call waiting :) hey all!! jay well/soy sos, eric wilcox/hobbes, and i (krisg) are going road tripping for spring break (march 4- march 12). so far our only plans are to make it out to baby blue in boston on the 4th, but on the way home we want to meet as many of you as possible. . . soooo....... . . . . . . . . . if you'd like to meet us, mail one of us (addresses listed at the end) so that we can plan our journey. you may be asking why on earth you'd want to meet us. . . well, (to quote my roomate) "'cause you're phucking cool". . .and we aren't carcinogenic by the last federal report. . and we will contribute witty comments to any conversation. . .and we will probubly smell by then, but everyone needs a little flavor in their life ;) . . . . . and we might have goodys from boston for you all (yes, we can do bribery ;P ) just kidding. anyhow. . . i am coming from st louis and picking up jay and eric in west lafayette, indiana. . . so let us know. . . **hugs and such** electric k ........................ the addresses kris: keg1@cec.wuslt.edu eric: sudden@expert.cc.purdue.edu jay: wells@physics.purdue.edu From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 06:48:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id GAA19466; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 06:48:33 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA19458; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 06:48:30 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id JAA16059 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 09:48:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 9:49:27 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950223094927.20a15afd@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: Define Racism First! Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Before this leads up to another argument about racism... Please use an agreed upon defintion of the word...Eh? How about this one. Def: Racism (Websers Collegiate Dictionary/ 10th Edition) - A belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. Just an idea, Miles From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 06:54:39 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id GAA19715; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 06:54:39 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA19710; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 06:54:36 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA19061; Thu, 23 Feb 95 08:56:16 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id IAA12855; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:52:09 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11219; Thu, 23 Feb 95 08:53:49 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08076; Thu, 23 Feb 95 08:53:48 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502231453.AA08076@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: re: perspective To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 8:53:48 CST Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: ; from "stevenJ" at Feb 22, 95 4:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } Need I say anything else? ;-) } beyond that you forgot so much else? what about waltz? what about any classical form of dance music (remeber ballets? that *is* dance music) what about the dead or phish? those two bands make me boogie hard! (as do lots of others the radiators, the hatters, god street wine etc etc) what about country styles? square dancin! bluegrass (great stuff you should listen to some :)! no offense but your list seemed rather limited to what one culuture has produced. dance music has existed for centuries and centuries - even in pre-civiliated times - what do you think they did - flailed around randomly? no the had music - you don't need $$$'s worth of electronic equipment to produce dance music - all you need are a few instruments, hell you don't even need drums (imagine that) and anyone who says that things like ballet to classical music doesn't make it dance music might as well give up go home and read some books on logic. ;-) --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 07:11:49 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA20491; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 07:11:49 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA20485; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 07:11:46 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id KAA21721 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:11:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:12:44 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950223101244.20a15afd@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: Def: RITUAL Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk DEF:(Webster's Collegiate Dictionary/Tenth Edition) Ritual- the established form for a ceremony...a system of rites of or relating to rites or a ritual. Given this definition of ritual raves are hardly religous, nor are they related to any type of rites of passage like a Weeding or Bat/Barmitzva. But raves are still cool though +++positivity+++. Can you imagine that...techno at a barmitzva...ha, ha. Miles From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 07:49:32 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id HAA22662; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 07:49:32 -0800 Received: from silver.ucs.indiana.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA22656; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 07:49:29 -0800 Received: by silver.ucs.indiana.edu (5.65c+/10jsm) id AA00580; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:49:19 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:49:19 -0500 (EST) From: kyle burress Subject: A NEW HOPE To: mw-raves Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk friends........ on april 15th, 1995 Kelly & Kyle (eonion & spaceboy) bring.... *A NEW HOPE* Indianapolis, Indiana -with DJ's- Terry Mullen Lego Kikoman Cosmic We hope you join us in this celebration of life. 2$ from every ticket goes to ACT UP to help fight AIDS. This party is about VIBE and music. INFO: 812-330-3976 or kburress@ucs.indiana.edu *BE WHO YOU ARE* From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 08:00:50 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA23517; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:00:50 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA23507; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:00:47 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0rhfyu-0000M0C; Thu, 23 Feb 95 10:01 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: re: perspective To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:01:30 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 875 Forwarded message: ::From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) :: ::beyond that you forgot so much else? what about waltz? what about ::any classical form of dance music (remeber ballets? that *is* dance ::music) what about the dead or phish? those two bands make me boogie hard! ::(as do lots of others the radiators, the hatters, god street wine etc etc) ::what about country styles? square dancin! bluegrass (great stuff you should ::listen to some :)! Kurt, I think you missed his point. The emphasis here was electronic dance music, not ethnic or anything else for that matter. ::no offense but your list seemed rather limited to what one culuture has ::produced. Yes, it did. That was the whole point, to chronologize the evolution of electronic dance music from the 70s to today. He didn't even start with anything before Kraftwerk and such. - stevenJ From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 08:16:59 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA24250; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:16:59 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA24239; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:16:55 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA21680; Thu, 23 Feb 95 10:18:26 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id JAA14413; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 09:50:36 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12923; Thu, 23 Feb 95 09:52:05 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08192; Thu, 23 Feb 95 09:52:04 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502231552.AA08192@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: class, tribalism, etc To: eluna@bronze.coil.com (Ed Luna) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 9:52:04 CST Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: ; from "Ed Luna" at Feb 23, 95 5:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } on other tangents: right - tangents :) } today's techno artists pluck from all these traditions, some of which } miles points out in his diagram. all music points to all music ever done. } in truth blacks "steal" from whites just as much...the point being that all } of us are intertwined too much to truly be able to separate things like this. there is no stealing going on - its all just influences - stealing would be to take a sone play it exactly the same - sing it exactly the same and get paid for it - without giving royalties to the origonator - music is a creative art - its sorta like saying painter x stole from painter b because x's paintings are similar to b's paintings but still different. } i must point out however that whites (and again i mean those who look } like or act or who are treated white; the dominant culture) have an } unfair advantage in so many areas that often times black and other } minority (thanks to whoever reminded me of the puerto rican } connection to house) contributions are exploited for commercial ends. everything that is exploitable is exploited - it doesn't matter who or where it comes from - if its exploitable you bet someones going to go and exploit it... } welcome to capitalism. there is no moral imperitave in capitalism, and } there can't be. no such thing. get it in your heads. very true - } } so in this sense, yes, we should have a war dance, to fight this! I actually think its a good thing - I think the best should rise to the top and the worst should sink - why? if too people can do the same job and ones far better than the other who should get to move on to a better job? } but this is sounding like socialism, which has its obvious problems. there *is* no utopia everything has problems - its a matter of picking the least of the evils... } } also: i dont deny that raves are ritual: what im questioning is whether raves are ritual in that each celebration has similar ideas and similar things about it... } human sacrifice in some societies. so is eating turkey for thanksgiving. just like turkey can be prepared in many differnt ways on thanksgiving... } makes me cringe. to others, it is a rallying cry for unity. so it's } negative and positive. this cry for unity makes me cringe - it think plar is a better concept although less nifty to say (peace love accepance respect) } } and anyone who thinks "were all the same" needs to stop smokin da ganja. we are all the same to the point that we are all human beings. (well most of us anyhow, roo is an ai but thats another story ;-) from their our experinces in life define us as people, define our personalites and who were are - but underneath that we are all the same. we are all humans (again except roo the ai ;) } which brings me back to my original concern, which i'll restate } differently here: should we be taking concepts from a people who (to } this day) are, for the most part, in VERY bad economic shape (excluding } the casino-owning tribes), and tacking them onto the "rave" culture? I think that the people who have the biggest influence in the rave culuture - are the least suited to handle that influence - at least in chicago and milwuakee - most promotors (not all) (the people who with the largest influence because they control our rituals) are not articulate people at all, most of them are shady, underhanded people who are exploting a good idea (as everything does after all get exploited see above) we need to have intellegence define our culuture not stupidity. thats something that is important - but somehow (and I never really understood why) intellegence is looked down upon...(cite jungle slang) } i think this is tacky at best. at least plur is not an "aquired" } idea...someone here made it up based on hippie shit (*said with } non-ironic love*). plar is more of a philosphy of living - you don't magically aquire it its is something you have to make a part of your lifestlye and then extend it to influence others-being-in-the-world. } if we DO do this, we should be careful to know where the shit comes from, } and imho give props where props are due. anyone who doesnt agree with this is something that is strange too - give props where props are due yet don't put dj's on pedasals. hmmmmmmmm see the contradiction? --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 08:36:30 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA25054; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:36:30 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA25043; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:36:26 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA22454; Thu, 23 Feb 95 10:37:59 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id KAA15820; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:31:51 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15041; Thu, 23 Feb 95 10:32:56 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08155; Thu, 23 Feb 95 09:29:34 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502231529.AA08155@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: Def: RITUAL To: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 9:29:34 CST Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <950223101244.20a15afd@etcv01.eld.ford.com>; from "MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com" at Feb 23, 95 10:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } } DEF:(Webster's Collegiate Dictionary/Tenth Edition) } Ritual- the established form for a ceremony...a system of rites } of or relating to rites or a ritual. } } Given this definition of ritual raves are hardly religous, nor are they where does this definition mention *anything* about religion? i'll tell you where - no where. no I'm not going to open the dictonary again to see what was left out - but the def you gave says nothing about a religous need. a rave *is* an established form of ceremony in our culture - it is where we go to celebrate that we are a part of this culture. and it does have a system of rites that proscribes a particular form of music (the section of our rave religous system procsribes HOUSE! but other sections may view the subject differently ;) and proscribes dancing to the music in-order to gain passage into your spirtuality you've misintereped the definition I belive.... --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 08:36:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA25069; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:36:33 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA25044; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:36:26 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA22464; Thu, 23 Feb 95 10:38:03 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id KAA15822; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:31:52 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15044; Thu, 23 Feb 95 10:32:57 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08136; Thu, 23 Feb 95 09:23:49 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502231523.AA08136@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: Define Racism First! To: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 9:23:48 CST Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <950223094927.20a15afd@etcv01.eld.ford.com>; from "MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com" at Feb 23, 95 9:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } } Before this leads up to another argument about racism... } Please use an agreed upon defintion of the word...Eh? } } How about this one. } } Def: Racism (Websers Collegiate Dictionary/ 10th Edition) - A belief that race } is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial } differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. } I think that we are using a much broader deffinition in our society in general (i.e. the words been bastradized) although if you look at websters you'll notice that there is a definition 2 that you misteriously left out which is 2. racial prejudice or discrimination which is the sense that most of us (some of the junglists purposely limit their vocabularies to things like 'ruff-neck and can only speak in first person ;-) brwhahaahhaha! sorry that was outta line - i apologize but in a way it is true) use the word, and pretty much is the definition anyhow. its racist when i say is a moron because their black its *not* racist when i say is a moron because he has no logical though process what so ever - and couldn't prove a statment to save his life. however it is racist to defame some-one for the fluenency in kurt-speak (your discriminating against a foreign tounge after all ;-)! just kidding - i know i can't spell and i'm damned proud of it. maybe I shouldn't answer messages at 9:24 in the morning - i seem to ramble.. any how websters provides a workable enough deffinition for me... --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 08:36:38 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA25103; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:36:38 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA25068; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:36:32 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA22478; Thu, 23 Feb 95 10:38:06 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id KAA15830; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:31:57 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15047; Thu, 23 Feb 95 10:32:58 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08106; Thu, 23 Feb 95 09:13:17 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502231513.AA08106@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: Wardance To: ibortolo@indiana.edu (ian s bortolotti) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 9:13:17 CST Cc: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU, mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: ; from "ian s bortolotti" at Feb 22, 95 5:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } > The only thing I can say about this "wardance" is that from what I learn from } > music history (Elvis stealing from Blacks, BeeGees taking disco, Vanilla Ice elvis stealing from blacks? whaaaa? now I'm not persay an elvis fan - actually I don't listen to the king at all but I do have to say this - can't a person be influenced by a form of music? elvis stole nothing from "blacks" he listened to blues - and he listend to country, and combinded those influences into his own unquie sound. he didn't steal nothing - neither did the beegees neither did vanilla ice (ok well he bastradized it - but would the whole "hip-hop" momvement have happened on such a large scale without his influence prolly not - damn to bad he was ever around then <-- example of logic getting me in trouble) - he was influenced by a type of music and took those influences and made them into his own distinct and unique sound. the musicians who made that music (that elvis was influenced by) were influenced by musicians before them, and those musicains (that influenced the people who influenced elvis) were influenced by the musicians before them - and so on down through history until we arrive at the first person to "make" music - who (by your logic, such that it is) everyone else who has ever made an music stole from! wow - it took a while to prove my point but I proved it :) } > weak attempt at rap, Benny Goodman with jazz) that whites will never give props } > where it is due and would rather make insulting mockery comments about our } > contributions to music and to society(Football teams for example)... what do football teams have to do with anything - thats a sport (in case you didn't realize) not a form of music. pro sports is dominated by the best players of that sport... unless you think the sound of blades on the ice is music in itself ;-) } } What?!?! Who's denying that blacks have made enormous } contributions to many different types of music? They have and do....as } does everyone. What the hell is this comment for? This is a racist } comment, my friend. } alot of people don't realize that there is such a thing as "reverse-racism" and "reverse-sexism" but sadly there is racism, sexism, reverse-racism, reverse-sexism and all the other labels you could put on a person for evalulating a person by their racial/genetic makeup - how ever, it is not racist to deal with someone who is a different racial/genetic makeup as the norm and say call them a moron - if they really are a moron. sadly too people think this is rasicts (if I were to have an argument with someone who was say brazillian (to be different) and they made no logical sense what so ever and I called them a moron (because they really were a moron) that in alot of peoples minds, sadly, is construde as racism... sorry I'm babbaling - I'll shut up and babble at the end of another message.. --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 08:55:02 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA26084; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:55:02 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA26075; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 08:54:59 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.200.80]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21267; Thu, 23 Feb 95 08:56:53 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07688; Thu, 23 Feb 95 08:56:52 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00889; Thu, 23 Feb 95 10:56:29 CST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 10:56:29 CST Message-Id: <9502231656.AA00889@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: since we are talking about words... Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ... could somebody please explain to a poor confused foeigner why the part of the states we all live in is called midwest and not mideast? I don't know, when I look on a map, it all looks pretty east-located to me. and don't tell me it's not a list-related topic, there is "MW" in "MW-RAVES" :) bambi oh by the way, the quality of your intelligence agencies got pretty low ya know, the french government just caught 5 spies/C.I.A agents (all diplomats) and trust me you know they are bad when they get caught even by the frenchies :) From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 09:47:50 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA29055; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 09:47:50 -0800 Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA29048; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 09:47:47 -0800 From: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Message-Id: <199502231747.JAA29048@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9187; Thu, 23 Feb 95 11:46:16 CST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 11:40:59 CST To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just stay on the North Side of Chicago and throw your wannabe house parties you call "raves". I wish you would come on the West or South Side and say some shit like jungle music or wardance..... Zheam From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 09:57:31 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id JAA29706; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 09:57:31 -0800 Received: from UKCC.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA29693; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 09:57:27 -0800 Message-Id: <199502231757.JAA29693@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from UKCC.UKY.EDU by UKCC.uky.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8848; Thu, 23 Feb 95 12:55:04 EST Received: from ukcc.uky.edu (NJE origin THELME00@UKCC) by UKCC.UKY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0501; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:49:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 12:48:06 EST From: tim Subject: the quality of our intelligence agencies... To: mw-raves@TAZ.HYPERREAL.COM Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk i realize the american intelligence agencies just haven't been AT IT as long as those sneaky slithering snakes in Europe have, Bambi, but sheesh...give 'em a break. the frenchies were stealing from american companies, too... ;) just kiddin'. not really a related topic. From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 10:15:10 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA01058; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:15:10 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA01049; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:15:07 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.200.80]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22450; Thu, 23 Feb 95 10:16:59 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10444; Thu, 23 Feb 95 10:16:57 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05480; Thu, 23 Feb 95 12:16:32 CST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 12:16:32 CST Message-Id: <9502231816.AA05480@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: Re: blah blah Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Just stay on the North Side >of Chicago and throw your wannabe house parties you call "raves". >I wish you would come on the West or South Side and say some shit like jungle >music or wardance..... > Zheam throw some more attitude, we love it. I spend a lot of time in the west and south sides of Chicago, I live in a neighborhood where people call me "nigga", and I could scream "JUNGLE JUNGLE WARDANCE" in the streets, nobody would give a flying fuck. It seems like you take some things much too seriously and personnally, chill a little bit cauz here is not the place where you gonna find racist people to argue with. Oh, and what about "Tribal House", is that term too offensive too? bambi nib@dlogics.com ps: I recommend to anyone the book "Bomb the Suburbs" by Upski. It's terrific! Cost is $7 at the Litterary Explosion on Damen/North in Chicago. A good view of urban life in a hip-hop frame of mind. From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 10:16:22 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA01192; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:16:22 -0800 Received: from UKCC.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA01187; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:16:19 -0800 Message-Id: <199502231816.KAA01187@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from UKCC.UKY.EDU by UKCC.uky.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8995; Thu, 23 Feb 95 13:15:40 EST Received: from ukcc.uky.edu (NJE origin THELME00@UKCC) by UKCC.UKY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4739; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:15:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 13:13:10 EST From: tim Subject: ooooohhhhh..... To: mw-raves@TAZ.HYPERREAL.COM Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ummm, mister scarey...? please make sure i don't ever attend your events, okay? 'cause i'd be really scared. this is in reference to zheam. who may have had point about the wardance thing but, come now...sounded like a threat to me... later. From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 10:34:28 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA02455; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:34:28 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA02449; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:34:25 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA27212; Thu, 23 Feb 95 12:36:04 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id MAA20584; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:31:24 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08257; Thu, 23 Feb 95 12:32:56 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08603; Thu, 23 Feb 95 11:36:36 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502231736.AA08603@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: since we are talking about words... To: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 11:36:35 CST Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9502231656.AA00889@dlogics.com>; from "Nicolas Bamberski" at Feb 23, 95 10:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } ... could somebody please explain to a poor confused foeigner why the part } of the states we all live in is called midwest and not mideast? I don't } know, when I look on a map, it all looks pretty east-located to me. and } don't tell me it's not a list-related topic, there is "MW" in "MW-RAVES" :) } the midwest I would consider as - ohio michigan northern kentucky indiana illinois wisconsin minnesota eastern iowa tennesse is more southern than midwestern western iowa is more plains states that midwestern, same with most points south and west of illinois... bascially it indicates the industrial regions of the states and territories west of the costal states/ east of the missippi river and north of the mason-dixie line, also states that remained within the union during the civil war (i think all of them did) the midwest was termed before settlements west of the missippi caught on in full volume, you can find refernces to it in government documents from that time (rarely but you can) --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 10:45:15 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA03208; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:45:15 -0800 Received: from grog.lab.cc.wmich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA03203; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:45:11 -0800 Received: from s01.lab.cc.wmich.edu (s01.lab.cc.wmich.edu [141.218.38.11]) by grog.lab.cc.wmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA26696 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:45:07 -0500 Received: (99benne4@localhost) by s01.lab.cc.wmich.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA00408; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:45:02 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:45:01 -0500 (EST) From: BENNETT AARON <99benne4@lab.cc.wmich.edu> Subject: atlanta question To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk does anybody know of any good record stores and the like in atlanta. i'm going on spring break next week and will be spending a couple of days in atlanta. thanks.... aaron b. western michigan university-kalamazoo 99benne4@lab.cc.wmich.edu From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 10:55:01 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA04020; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:55:01 -0800 Received: from aug1 by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA04010; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:54:57 -0800 Received: from [141.224.192.131] by aug1 (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA24582; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:52:52 +0600 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:52:51 +0600 Message-Id: <9502231852.AA24582@aug1> X-Sender: allen@aug1.augsburg.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) Subject: jungle,Black/whitemusic content-length: 1607 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just stay on the North Side of Chicago and throw your wannabe house parties you call "raves". I wish you would come on the West or South Side and say some shit like jungle music or wardance..... Zheam Zheam, no disrespect intended, but, i have sensed in basically every one of your posts a real chip-on-the-shoulder mentality, if not subtle racism. Feel free to respond and clear up this impression; but your reference to the term "Jungle" is completley uninformed. The majority of well known, respected jungle djs, artists, and producers and rekid shop owners in the UK (undisputedly the birthplace of the so-called "jungle" sound) are BLACK!! From the origins to the present, the names you see on UK jungle flyers, labels, such as Carl Cox, Grooverider,Fabio and Goldie...(I could go on if I were an expert on jungle, which I'm not, but pick up an issue of Eternity magizine yourself and look at the pictures of dj's inside) ... are black. Now you might say, well, the majority of their fans are caucasian, what if it were the other way around?? Or should "white" music fans listen to "white" music, and "blacks", "black" music? It's a retarded distinction in the first place, IMO, and I have a hard time believing that you really are all that interested in techno in the first place to have time and energy for a pedagogic mindset. I'm critisizing your statements about black and white music objectivly, but personally, I think you've got some real prejudices, are they well-founded? you tell me.... > > PARA From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 10:57:55 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id KAA04213; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:57:55 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA04204; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 10:57:52 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA28136; Thu, 23 Feb 95 12:59:36 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id MAA21486; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:55:33 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09139; Thu, 23 Feb 95 12:57:14 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08853; Thu, 23 Feb 95 12:57:13 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502231857.AA08853@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: chicago on sat To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 12:57:13 CST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk on sat funk is having a shindig called n20 with terrance, hyperactive, boris, oscar, mike peirce, freddy bane and some others tickets at sole junkies 3176 clark blah blah foo foo vm is 661 9057 if these are the same people who used to do "funk" then this party might not be the best one to go to. (they did some 1355 stuff, and some 500 stuff if you remeber what those are :) although its prolly better than that other thing thats going on ;) i might go - i might no - although i'll probably go to the other house digs on friday... --Kurt "gotta have HOUSE!" osis -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 11:21:53 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA05804; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:21:53 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA05798; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:21:49 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA13165 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:21:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:22:47 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950223142247.20a15afd@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: Delete this junk mess..or... Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk or readit Rhyme for today. Zheam is Mean From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 11:47:01 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA07752; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:47:01 -0800 Received: from ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA07739; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:46:57 -0800 Message-Id: <199502231946.LAA07739@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU by ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0264; Thu, 23 Feb 95 14:46:33 EST Received: from ULKYVM (CJCLAR01) by ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 1363; Thu, 23 Feb 95 14:46:30 EST Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 14:46:13 EST From: Subject: Re: blah blah blah To: Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk *** Resending note of 02/23/95 14:44 To: . --ULKYVM C. Jason Clark ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (502) 852-0516 Although I don't understand the negativity you show, Zheam, I still love you. The comments you have made seem more racist toward me IMHO than anything I have ever said here or anywhere else. If I have said anything that is wrong or offensive, *correct me*, don't get defensive or mad. I have nothing against you or anyone else here. Here's a hug, man: ((((********************* hug *********************)))) Peace, J-Sun, tfyqa From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 11:53:24 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id LAA08248; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:53:24 -0800 Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA08234; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 11:53:17 -0800 From: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Message-Id: <199502231953.LAA08234@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0382; Thu, 23 Feb 95 13:51:45 CST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 13:12:04 CST To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Moving on.. Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This is Zheam and I need to set some things straight from now on... *First and foremost, Bambi never got in touch with me as many times I ask her to until I made that last post with she seemed to not agree with..:( *Second to Tim, I do love techno and raves. I'm not threatning anybody out there, I'm just stating what is true and what is likely to happen. And from judging from what you said (and from me and my background) The music you refer to as "jungle" was always known as DanceHall or Ragga(UK) among the Blacks. Jungle Music is a well known phrase refering to Black music back in the 20s by the entertainment industry for "arousing" the teenagers to dance in "taboo" fashion (HINT: You will never go wrong with the facts, do some insightful research for a change...) I like true techno such as Herbie Hancock, Detroit,et *Third to Kurt, Read up on Otis Blackwell, the black musician who wrote and recorded "All Shook Up" "Don't Be Cruel" and "Return to Sender" for Elvis to imitate and also Otis wrote "Great Balls of Fire." And to put icing on your angel cake, "Hound Dog" was performed by a Black Blues singers in the 20s and was very popular among our culture. Influence my ass. Most likely influenced to capitilize off my people and not giving them credit but some negative and offensive terms based on white ignorance. Also Rolling Stone magazines "History of Rock n Roll" trace its roots to Negro spirituals. But you don't want to hear that, do you? Anytime I'm lying or wrong, please let me know, people.... *Fourth, to Miles and somewhat to Kurt, you two are the only people I know that on this list posting irrelevant BS only meant to incite or create a flame war. If you want to discuss these issues, there are mailing lists dedicated to these issues. I'm on some and can tell you that you won't last long. And Miles, as far as I'm concerned you know how I feel about you........................ *And finally to everyone else on this list, I apologize for going off topic and will not do this again. I joined this to be part of the Virtual Rave community and not to see people on the outside. But as you already know, I'm proud of my culture and background and it's contributions and will not tolerate it being cheapen out by people who are merely jumping on the scene with narrow minded views. I go to clubs all over Chicago when I come home for the love of dance music and to hear what happing in the scene and hopefully look foward to meeting and partying some of you people (Unlike a 16-year old working at a Bank just posting views). If some of you do party on the West Side or South Side like Bambi claims (I doubt it seriously) you would know more about Zheam and who his really is..... Let's Get Back To MW_Raves, Zheam From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 12:06:55 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA09405; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:06:55 -0800 Received: from tyro.cc.purdue.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA09400; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:06:52 -0800 Received: from expert.cc.purdue.edu by tyro.cc.purdue.edu (8.6.9/Purdue_CC) id PAA23223; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:05:56 -0500 Received: by expert.cc.purdue.edu (5.61/Purdue_CC) id AA25170; Thu, 23 Feb 95 14:20:32 -0500 From: kiwi@expert.cc.purdue.edu (-==Kiwi==-) Message-Id: <9502231920.AA25170@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Subject: Kiwi Intervention To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 14:19:58 EST Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just thought I'd put in my 65 centavos into this: 1. When a person posts something which I take offensive, I like to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that they didn't do it merely to piss me off. Some people need to learn not to take thing so personally. 2. There is a differnce between "steal" & "influenced". * too lazy to get the dictionary to define them * 3. Remember, attack the problem, not the person. 4. Finally, I'd like to ask everyone to step back and take a look at where a thread is going. Is it adding new information or merely repeating what half a dozen other people all ready said? Is it going anywhere? Is it neccesary or relevant? re you just posting becuase you like to see your name 5. I groove on fog. 6. I'm getting really excited about Heartland. I can't wait. That's about it. Paz, +) kiwi - -- Stephen Roberts | Purdue University | .signature under construction Philosopher | -- DETOUR --> From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 12:08:50 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA09660; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:08:50 -0800 Received: from selene.wright.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA09651; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:08:48 -0800 Received: from discover.wright.edu (discgate.wright.edu) by selene.wright.edu (PMDF V4.3-10 #2485) id <01HNE5TYIOWG0014SD@selene.wright.edu>; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:05:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from hudson (hudson.wright.edu) by discover.wright.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29289; Thu, 23 Feb 95 15:06:07 EST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:06:07 -0500 (EST) From: s005kxm@discover.wright.edu (KOUROSH MORADMAND) Subject: Re: FUK To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <9502232006.AA29289@discover.wright.edu > Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Around 20 of us here in Dayton are headding down to Louisville for Fuk, Give me a call if we can help you get down there. 513-496-1071 Kourosh illuminators From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 12:12:11 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id MAA10035; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:12:11 -0800 Received: from oistrakh.msen.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA10028; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:12:07 -0800 Received: from garnet.msen.com (garnet.msen.com [148.59.1.11]) by oistrakh.msen.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA17577 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:12:03 -0500 Received: by garnet.msen.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0rhjtL-0013BYC; Thu, 23 Feb 95 15:12 EST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:12:03 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Walker X-Sender: marmoset@garnet.msen.com To: Midwest Raves List Subject: Breathe. Think. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Several of you know me, and (I hope) know me as a rational, level-headed guy who's been around mwraves for a while. But this list is basically toilet fodder now, because the ever crucial link between posting and thinking seems to have dried up and blown away. I've seen more self-conscious/self-righteous attitude thrown around here than at any rock concert I've ever been to. Why? I'm not going to try to "come down from the mountain" with some grand prononuncement of what rave or mailing list culture is or should be. All I know is that this isn't a very pleasant (or thoughtful) place to be now. More music, less shouting. It's almost as bad as those damned daytime talk shows around here. Why is it that the level of discourse in our society(ies) has been reduced to people with polarized views throwing simplistic views of history/culture at each other? And why the hell does it have to happen on a list ostensibly concerned with music and dancing? It seems no one was listening to your post, Andrew. ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker marmoset@msen.com new frontiers in pleasure management Dave Walker From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 13:02:38 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA14105; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:02:38 -0800 Received: from ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA14086; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:02:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199502232102.NAA14086@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU by ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1228; Thu, 23 Feb 95 16:02:06 EST Received: from ULKYVM (CJCLAR01) by ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 4445; Thu, 23 Feb 95 16:02:02 EST Comments: Converted from PROFS to RFC822 format by PUMP V2.2X Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 16:01:46 EST From: Subject: NETMEETS To: Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk C. Jason Clark ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (502) 852-0516 Will there be net meets for FUK or Heartland? Hope so!! See you guys at both!! PLUR to all!! J-Sun, tfyqa From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 13:09:50 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA14671; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:09:50 -0800 Received: from zaxxon.rs.itd.umich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA14647; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:09:44 -0800 Received: by zaxxon.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/2.2) id QAA19763; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:09:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:09:43 -0500 (EST) From: Holly Macdonald - Korth X-Sender: hcmk@zaxxon.rs.itd.umich.edu To: Ian Malbon cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Taking your PULSE... In-Reply-To: <199502220534.AAA23479@detroit.freenet.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= t r e e t o w n f a m i l e e m a s s i v e hcmk@umich.edu mission control: 810.746.3338 n e x u s t e c h n o l o g i e s *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* On Wed, 22 Feb 1995, Ian Malbon wrote: > > > More banter about Saturday's PULSE in Detroit... > > > > >ET ( The big, blackman in the jean jacket was NOT a cop!! ) > that big black man is T.C. security guru to the soopa stars! quite the man, loved by all... sunshyne From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 13:09:53 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA14687; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:09:53 -0800 Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA14661; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:09:47 -0800 From: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Message-Id: <199502232109.NAA14661@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1075; Thu, 23 Feb 95 15:08:16 CST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 14:47:18 CST To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I formally apologize for offending all the lost people who refer to dancehall and ragga as "Jungle" which was an term used to phrase Black music back in the days with negative connotations. Continue to dance to Black Djs and artists whose selling out our culture just to take your money at the door... Just remember that whenever whites steal musical style (jazz, disco, bebop, rap, etc) and coin it with corny imitations of minority cultures, it will be short-lived because the music lacks the soul and substance that was created in it's development. That's is an historical fact. Live and Let Live......... Zheam, (Will anybody talk to me on V-Rave? ) From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 13:44:24 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA16771; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:44:24 -0800 Received: from tigerden.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA16754; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:44:11 -0800 Received: by tigerden.com id AA01476 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:43:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:43:37 -0500 (EST) From: "D.A.C. Crowell" To: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <199502231747.JAA29048@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Feb 1995 AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU wrote: > Just stay on the North Side > of Chicago and throw your wannabe house parties you call "raves". > > I wish you would come on the West or South Side and say some shit like jungle > music or wardance..... Hm...awful lotta Southside guff from someone posting from the nice safe town of Carbondale...which is pretty Southside, all right...provided you accept the theory that Chicago extends all the way down to the Ohio River. I think this also points up the "why I really dont know if I want to do Chicago events" thing I mentioned to a few folks on VRave, as well...this, laydeezngennlmen, is what we call "'tude". As someone who doesn't feel that strutting a bunch of rude boy gibberish is compatible with this scene, I find it more than a little annoying. Unfortunately, I also find it a little too common for Chicago, as well. granted, there are a lot of really nice folks there who don't have their heads up their asses for the sake of being K00L...but there's also a lot of people who're big on this sort of bad-ass swaggering crapola. It's got no place, people...let's lose it. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\ "People usually think that the arts should D.A.C. Crowell |only entertain, but that is not the role of Audio Design and Programming |the arts at all. The role of the arts is to The Aerodyne Works |explore the inner space of man; to find out Champaign, IL, USA. |how much and how intensely he can vibrate, dacc@tigerden.com |through sound, through what he hears, http://hyperreal.com/music/ |whichever it is. They are a means by which artists/dac_crowell |to expand his inner universe. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>/ -- Karlheinz Stockhausen From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 13:56:17 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA17757; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:56:17 -0800 Received: from max.cc.denison.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA17750; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 13:56:13 -0800 From: BOSSEN_C@CC.DENISON.EDU Received: from CC.DENISON.EDU by CC.DENISON.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #4959) id <01HNE9FFRVO0000KGP@CC.DENISON.EDU>; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:56:04 EST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:56:04 -0500 (EST) Subject: ghost dance desperation and ritual To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HNE9FFUAGY000KGP@CC.DENISON.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Why do we all "rave"? Is it a need? Is it an act of desperation? Are we all so fed up with society and the world in genral that we are trying to create are own? I trying to figure out what is going on. I mean sometimes things happen for a reason. Why do people think raving is going to change society anyways? It kind of reminds me of the Ghost dances of the suiox at the end of the last century. Fed up and powerless to change thier world they started to hold gost dances to get the world back to the way it had been before. For some reason all these cries for tribalism remind me of this. love, colinb. bossen_c@cc.denison.edu From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 14:03:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA18307; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:03:19 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA18296; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:03:16 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.200.80]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26134; Thu, 23 Feb 95 14:05:11 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18349; Thu, 23 Feb 95 14:05:08 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20569; Thu, 23 Feb 95 16:04:39 CST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 16:04:39 CST Message-Id: <9502232204.AA20569@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: Fists of Fury - Chicago - March 10 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk F I S T S O F F U R Y kicking some bass March 10, 1995 DJ Sneak Mind Drive B-PM Bambi ^^^^-- who is a HE by the way :) FREE!!!! balloons and drinks for everyone the flyer says. 312 918 5103 312 409 3401 312 604 1978 From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 14:58:48 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA21902; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:58:48 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA21883; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:58:43 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA07140; Thu, 23 Feb 95 17:00:27 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id QAA28338; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:31:57 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20997; Thu, 23 Feb 95 16:33:08 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09225; Thu, 23 Feb 95 14:55:22 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502232055.AA09225@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: spaces and places To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 14:55:21 CST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Ok, well I was just thinking about all the places i've gone to in chicago and started writing some down - I think I want to start a places file - with the address and names of the parties that have gone on in various cities, in the midwest..so anyhow heres my breif list that took me 10 minutes, now if someone can remeber the party names taht have happened in all these spots that would be cool - also send me address and street names of parties you remebere along with their city, and i'll begin compiling this file. :) we can put it on the web site or something 500 W cermak. (disco biscuts, various) 1306 28th street place (nootie kazootie, various) 1355 N Milwuakee (april showers, various) 1352 N Paulina (various) 1471 N Milwuakee (various) 1372 N Milwuakee (various) 2000 N Western (crunch, dope, various) 4678 N Clark (rejoice, various) 5017 N Clark (blossom, various) 3333 W Grand (galaxy, various) 4444 W Chicago? (solar) 332 W Hubard (portal, various) 481 W Lake (random house party) 1462 W Lake? (jive society make-up, seth love parties abounds) 862 W Randolf? (orbital, spiritual securtiy, etc) (flee market space) 1876 S Halsted (freaks) 1915 S Halsted? (rogers loft parties) 4600 N Lakeshore-Cricket Hill (summer free parties) 1368 N Wolcot (full moon rave) 1801 W division (seth loves sunday stuff) there are tons and tons more of course - anyone rembere where things like jive society/love nation 1 were? or gatorrave or those things? anyhow send em off! :) --Kurt "the stats man" osis -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 14:58:55 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA21949; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:58:55 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA21903; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:58:48 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA07144; Thu, 23 Feb 95 17:00:29 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id QAA28352; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:32:05 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21005; Thu, 23 Feb 95 16:33:11 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09187; Thu, 23 Feb 95 14:35:13 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502232035.AA09187@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: Moving on.. To: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 14:35:12 CST Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199502231953.LAA08234@taz.hyperreal.com>; from "AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU" at Feb 23, 95 1:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk alrighty, I'm going to respond to this and then shut up for a while - I've been upset with the direction the rave culture has been moving in for about the last 1.5 years now and these past two weeks (after solar really) it has all come to a head and I've been venting on what I think is really wrong with the rave culture - maybe not in the most direct of manners but in some way... } This is Zheam and I need to set some things straight from now on... } } *First and foremost, Bambi never got in touch with me as many times I ask her } to until I made that last post with she seemed to not agree with..:( :) oh never mind..... zheam - next time he err she throws a free pre-party go! maybe you'll meet some of us, and maybe you might actually have a different view knowing who we are, in person - its tough to get to know someone by just email... } *Third to Kurt, Read up on Otis Blackwell, the black musician who wrote and } recorded "All Shook Up" "Don't Be Cruel" and "Return to Sender" for Elvis to }of Rock n Roll" trace its roots to Negro spirituals. But you don't want to and to country/bluegrass music of the late 1800s and early 1900's - its called a cover! bands do them all the time - and I bet otis got royalties from it although I don't know that for a fact. The real question is did elvis add anything to those songs? did he take them and make them into something better or interpert them in his own way? thats subjective but i'd say yes. }*Fourth, to Miles and somewhat to Kurt, you two are the only people I know that }on this list posting irrelevant BS only meant to incite or create a flame war. not true - i belive that disccussion of issues is very important to our culture and comminuity - i am not propogating a flame war. We can only talk about just techno for so long - sooner or later a cultrual development needs to happen and needs to hapen in full, and thats part of what vrave is for thats part of what those discussions are for - rave doesn't have to bee just 8 hours on a weekend - it can be a lifestyle and a philosophy of living if we develop those issues. see my "our community" repost of a couple weeks back - if you've d'ed it i'll send it to you. }*And finally to everyone else on this list, I apologize for going off topic and }will not do this again. I joined this to be part of the Virtual Rave community }and not to see people on the outside. But as you already know, I'm proud of my what is meant by people on the outside? thats one of those tricky definition of a raver type question. } culture and background and it's contributions and will not tolerate it being } cheapen out by people who are merely jumping on the scene with narrow minded } views. I go to clubs all over Chicago when I come home for the love of dance } music and to hear what happing in the scene and hopefully look foward to as do i - i love house music and i love do dance - and i don't really like clubs but i do like parties and i want to improve the scene i'm in and the only way to do that is through communication no? }meeting and partying some of you people (Unlike a 16-year old working at a Bank }just posting views). If some of you do party on the West Side or South Side *ahem* you don't even know me - nor have you ever met me? I'm 20 thank you and i've been on mw raves *for over 2 years* and i've been in the house and rave scenes for longer than that. I'm not an ingornat person who doesn't care at all about the scene and is just stating views, thank you very much. I've *thrown* parties in chicago (portal, full moon rave, freaks in my house, etc) and i've had a (shoulda done more :) mw-raves party prejoice. there are a bunch of folks on this list that i've met and like alot - and i would like to meet everyone eventually if possible. } like Bambi claims (I doubt it seriously) you would know more about Zheam and } who his really is..... } } Let's Get Back To MW_Raves, } Zheam ahhh remember 1355 north milwuakee? or even 1372 or 1417? if I could have my loft space of choice i think it would be 1355 north milwuakee days in the pre-april showers days before whats his name who owned that place got mean and money grubbing :) Loft parties :) *sigh* --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 15:16:39 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id PAA23208; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:16:39 -0800 Received: from mik.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA23198; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:16:36 -0800 Received: from nx37.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA23784; Thu, 23 Feb 95 18:16:30 -0500 From: Jim Owens Message-Id: <9502232316.AA23784@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx37.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA01695; Thu, 23 Feb 95 18:15:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 18:15:41 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: FUK netlist PLEASE READ!!!! Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey I am working on the net list right now and will post it when I have what I have together Several people have mailed me saying add me and so and so and friends to the net list. The person who mailed me will be added to the list, but as for the people that they listed they wanted added, THEY ARE NOT BEING ADDED TO THE LIST. ONCE AGAIN!!! IF YOU HAD YOUR FRIEND MAIL FOR YOU, OR YOU MAILED SAYING ADD THIS PERSON TOO, THEY WILL NOT BE ON THE LIST!!! I cant stress enough, EACH person who wants to be on the list needs to mail me from HIS/HER OWN account. They also need to INCLUDE their REAL NAME (all of it) for the posting of the list. I know this sounds like bullshit, but It is necessary so that I know all the people on the net list are in fact net people. That is the whole point on this list. SO PLEASE TELL YOUR FRIENDS TO MAIL ME! CHECK THE LIST. MAKE SURE YOU ARE ON IT!!! GET FUKKED!!! DUE TO THIS, AND WANTING TO GET AS MANY PPL ON THE LIST AS WANT TO BE ON, THE DEADLINE FOR MAILING IS EXTENDED TO IN IS NOW FRIDAY 2/24/95 NOON. PLEASE CALL YOUR FRIENDS AND HAVE THEM MAIL IN. DON'T MAIL SAYING INCLUDE MY BUDDY JDOE@NET.FUK, CAUSE HE WON"T GET ON THAT WAY!!!! The list will be posted here momentarily like maybe 6:30pm est..... Thanks.... sorry for the yelling.... see you there! *~cosmic~~~ From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 15:19:08 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id PAA23491; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:19:08 -0800 Received: from worf.uwsp.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA23481; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:19:04 -0800 Received: from worf.uwsp.edu (worf.uwsp.edu [143.236.1.12]) by worf.uwsp.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA18365; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 17:16:01 -0600 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 17:16:01 -0600 (CST) From: Adam Desombre To: Adam Desombre cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: spaces and places In-Reply-To: <9502232055.AA09225@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Feb 1995, Kurt Vile wrote: > Ok, well I was just thinking about all the places i've gone to in > chicago and started writing some down - Hey, where did PROJECT PLATO happen? that (for some reason) was one of my favorite events (despite the heat). I've heard they've thrown others there too... ...adam From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 15:36:48 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id PAA24746; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:36:48 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA24738; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:36:45 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA08889; Thu, 23 Feb 95 17:36:58 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id RAA00954; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 17:32:49 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25499; Thu, 23 Feb 95 17:34:25 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09629; Thu, 23 Feb 95 17:34:25 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502232334.AA09629@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: spaces and places To: adesombr@worf.uwsp.edu (Adam Desombre) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 17:34:24 CST Cc: adesombr@worf.uwsp.edu, mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: ; from "Adam Desombre" at Feb 23, 95 5:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } } } On Thu, 23 Feb 1995, Kurt Vile wrote: } } > Ok, well I was just thinking about all the places i've gone to in } > chicago and started writing some down - } } Hey, where did PROJECT PLATO happen? that (for some reason) was one of } my favorite events (despite the heat). I've heard they've thrown others } there too... } where did that happen? that was what mid-summer of 1993, it was the same night as spank the monkey? or was it the week after? I know there was a core event that happened against spank - if it was plato i'm not sure - was it in the same space as flashback? that was 26xx N Milwuakee? was it that far north. I know it was on milwuakke but where is the question. I didn't go to project plato none the less - there was another party that night that wasn't a core event that i did. care to venture a guess? Anyhow this weekend I'm going to pull my flier box (contains fliers from feb of 93 to now missing this summer (lost interest) too bad I didn;t keep the fliers from the 92 days....) do we have old calanders in the archives? someone want to pull them for me if we do - my home computer is well - the magic blue smoke escaped.... --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 15:39:31 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id PAA24913; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:39:31 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA24903; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:39:27 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA09119; Thu, 23 Feb 95 17:41:05 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id QAA28375; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:32:16 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21028; Thu, 23 Feb 95 16:33:19 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08782; Thu, 23 Feb 95 12:43:48 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502231843.AA08782@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: re: perspective To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 12:43:48 CST Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: ; from "stevenJ" at Feb 23, 95 10:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } Forwarded message: } ::From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) } :: } ::beyond that you forgot so much else? what about waltz? what about } ::any classical form of dance music (remeber ballets? that *is* dance } ::music) what about the dead or phish? those two bands make me boogie hard! } ::(as do lots of others the radiators, the hatters, god street wine etc etc) } ::what about country styles? square dancin! bluegrass (great stuff you should } ::listen to some :)! } } Kurt, I think you missed his point. The emphasis here was electronic } dance music, not ethnic or anything else for that matter. } oh well maybe i did miss the point - anyhow i think the main point here is that music is all influenced by it self and every other form of music...if you listen closesly to stuff you can see this any how.. --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 15:39:42 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id PAA24957; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:39:42 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA24927; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:39:35 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA09139; Thu, 23 Feb 95 17:41:12 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id QAA28376; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:32:17 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21033; Thu, 23 Feb 95 16:33:22 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08773; Thu, 23 Feb 95 12:39:57 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502231839.AA08773@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: blah blah To: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 12:39:56 CST Cc: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU, mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9502231816.AA05480@dlogics.com>; from "Nicolas Bamberski" at Feb 23, 95 12:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } >Just stay on the North Side } >of Chicago and throw your wannabe house parties you call "raves". } >I wish you would come on the West or South Side and say some shit like jungle } >music or wardance..... } > Zheam } welcome to my kill file Zheam. I suppose that frique, lego, diz, traxx, spencer (both of em), mark, bishop, earl, and all the rest aren't good enough for you huh? they all spin at parties on the north side don't they? when was the last time a good house party was thrown successfully on the south side? keep your attitude on the south side - i personally don't need it at any house, disco, loft, or rave I go to. maybe you should get off this list - it obviously dosn't intrest you anyhow welcome to my kill file. your the third lucky person to be in it. --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@vile.tezcat.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 15:43:49 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id PAA25288; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:43:49 -0800 Received: from MAPLE.ucs.uwplatt.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA25275; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:43:41 -0800 From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #4908) id <01HNE4WQ803A95OJOP@uwplatt.edu>; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:42:14 CST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 14:42:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: jungle,Black/whitemusic To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HNE4WQ8T1495OJOP@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: MWRAVES MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Come one people. What are we doing? We started at one subject, fought like fools, move onto another subject, and it now looks like we're going to do the same thing here. Why? Can't we talk about things sensibly? Let me just say this about the music/race posts as of late.. it's music. And it doesn't matter who or what you are, it brings up the same emotions in all of us. Music sees no color, sex, or anything else. It's just rad. Peace out, Ramylson ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke "If we were not here, material 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' events like the passage of the seasons 608.342.3196 would lack even the meager meanings Fun House Productions we are able to muster for them." dpn.member#002 --Annie Dillard-- ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 15:48:18 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id PAA25539; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:48:18 -0800 Received: from orion.it.luc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA25534; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 15:48:14 -0800 Received: by orion.it.luc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA88614; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 17:48:12 -0600 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 17:48:12 -0600 (CST) From: "Peter M. Carvey" To: kyle burress Cc: mw-raves Subject: Re: A NEW HOPE In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Feb 1995, kyle burress wrote: > > > > friends........ > > > on april 15th, 1995 Kelly & Kyle (eonion & spaceboy) bring.... > > > > *A NEW HOPE* > > Indianapolis, Indiana > > -with DJ's- > > Terry Mullen > Lego > Kikoman > Cosmic > > We hope you join us in this celebration of life. 2$ from every ticket > goes to ACT UP to help fight AIDS. This party is about VIBE and music. > INFO: 812-330-3976 or kburress@ucs.indiana.edu > > *BE WHO YOU ARE* > Sorry to stray off topic...but is that Cosmic as in Cosmic Baby? I knew he was touring the US to play a few trance logic dates but for some strange reason he skipped Chicago. -Pyota. p.s: Did anyone see the article on Rave in the tempo section of the Tribune on the 21st? Comments? From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 16:11:13 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id QAA26983; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:11:13 -0800 Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA26974; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:11:10 -0800 From: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Message-Id: <199502240011.QAA26974@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2885; Thu, 23 Feb 95 18:09:40 CST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 18:01:08 CST To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Hold up!!!!! Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yo!!!! Who is making all the fuss to prove themselves right lately? Kurt Vile...... Who has yet to make a factual statement about their claims? Kurt Vile...... So don't write me letters saying I'm fueling this flame. I already mentioned before people who incite this (Kurt and Miles) I've spoken to Miles on a intellectual, factual conversation and resolve the issue to a mutual agreement. Kurt is the one who have to have his opinions (nothing more) stated to the rave community. So far, my responses have only been sent to Kurt only. So before all of yall start getting pissed recognized who is fueling this stuff. PS: Still haven't mention no Southside or Westside clubs, Kurt. And if you ever truly studied the dance scene on the SouthSide, you would't make such a dumb assumption...Start stating the facts, dude not some shit you're pulling out your asshole.............. Zheam From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 16:11:48 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id QAA27049; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:11:48 -0800 Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA27043; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:11:40 -0800 From: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Message-Id: <199502240011.QAA27043@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2892; Thu, 23 Feb 95 18:10:10 CST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 18:01:08 CST To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Hold up!!!!! Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Yo!!!! Who is making all the fuss to prove themselves right lately? Kurt Vile...... Who has yet to make a factual statement about their claims? Kurt Vile...... So don't write me letters saying I'm fueling this flame. I already mentioned before people who incite this (Kurt and Miles) I've spoken to Miles on a intellectual, factual conversation and resolve the issue to a mutual agreement. Kurt is the one who have to have his opinions (nothing more) stated to the rave community. So far, my responses have only been sent to Kurt only. So before all of yall start getting pissed recognized who is fueling this stuff. PS: Still haven't mention no Southside or Westside clubs, Kurt. And if you ever truly studied the dance scene on the SouthSide, you would't make such a dumb assumption...Start stating the facts, dude not some shit you're pulling out your asshole.............. Zheam From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 16:16:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id QAA27377; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:16:33 -0800 Received: from ux5.cso.uiuc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA27364; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:16:30 -0800 Received: by ux5.cso.uiuc.edu id AA01953 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Thu, 23 Feb 1995 18:16:19 -0600 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 18:16:18 -0600 (CST) From: robert To: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: your mail In-Reply-To: <199502231747.JAA29048@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Feb 1995 AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU wrote: > Just stay on the North Side > of Chicago and throw your wannabe house parties you call "raves". > > I wish you would come on the West or South Side and say some shit like jungle > music or wardance..... > > Zheam > Look, i'm not sure who this was directed to, but I myself am from the straight up West Side of Chicago, and I don't know what you're tryin to get at here. I myself am a Junglist, and we have a pretty decent following here on the WestSide. And, actually, it fits pretty well with the fucked-up ass neighborhood we live in. See, Jungle doesn't appeal to lots of ravers because it's actually inner-city music. With all the hip-hop influences and reggae riffs. See, Jungle has lots of soul, being produced by many Afro-British producers like Goldie, LTJ Bukem, Grooverider, and Kings of the Jungle. Tryin to deny Jungle of any claim of soul is just bulls**t. If it's soul that you think this music is missing, well, you're dead wrong. Over here on the West Side, we were one of the only neighborhoods in the country to keep on playin Disco and House long after the "death" of disco and way before the "rebirth" of House and Disco ( there was *never* a rebirth; it never died). The West Side was one of the first in the country to play Breakbeat Techno, the protoge of Jungle. To say that it'll be offensive here is just simply more bulls**t. If I misunderstood you, then I'm sorry, but if the letter you wrote was what i thought it was, then think again buddy. easy, robert From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 16:27:24 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id QAA28172; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:27:24 -0800 Received: from mik.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA28159; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 16:27:20 -0800 Received: from nx37.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA25173; Thu, 23 Feb 95 19:27:20 -0500 From: Jim Owens Message-Id: <9502240027.AA25173@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx37.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA01765; Thu, 23 Feb 95 19:26:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 19:26:24 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: FUK netlist.... list and more!!! Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all! Here is the list as of 2/23/95 7:15pm EST Thomas R. Schmidt Sung Shim Craig L. Stodolenak amy waldowski becca maslow Anthony Cosco Rob Baltzer James Clyde Temple Janice Lynn Vielhaber Kimm Follett Chris Kozup Kyle Larson Jonathan Morris Brian Ayo Knowles Jason Clark kimberly j smock Ellen Steuer Kris Ellen Grotelueschen Jessica Brown bradley w rolf Tim Elmer Patrick M. Morrissey Brad Jiulianti Josh Toole Kelly Ann Cunningham Jennifer Palmer james johnston katerina tamburro Charley Bryce Todd Jones Kim Crane Andrew Bennett Joe Carroll Nathan Curry jonathan thomas Jenny Roller marissa holden Rique Curtis Mike Butler jim soria john eric ii hurtgen ian patterson matt bonde john drehfal amy sohn? Nate Goldbaum josh short doc Kristin BonDurant eric wilcox/hobbes If there is someone not on here who you expected to be, tell them to mail me ASAP! PLEASE DO NOT mail me saying 'add my friend jdoe@net.fuk'. If someone wants on the list she/he needs to mail me from her/his account, preferably with FUK list as the subject and definitely with her/his real name in the body, by the deadline! THE DEADLINE for mailing me has been extended to friday 2/24/95 noon EST. There will be no further extentions. =( BTW Being on the netlist entitles you to a $5 discount off door admission for the lexington/louisville FUK party in louisville. Thanks for your patience, effort, etc.... *~cosmic~~~ From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 17:18:34 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id RAA01663; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 17:18:34 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA01653; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 17:18:30 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by AC.GRIN.EDU (PMDF V4.3-9 #4381) id <01HNEEOFNJB48Y80LN@AC.GRIN.EDU>; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 19:18:49 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 19:18:49 -0500 (CDT) From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) Subject: hold up STOP! To: MW-RAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Message-id: <01HNEEOFNJB68Y80LN@AC.GRIN.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk to evoke the words of Dave Walker, in a beautifully paraphrased sentence: THIS SHIT SUCKS. look, I'm _SO_ tired of reading the Kurt Vile/Zheam fight on here, TAKE IT PRIVATRE MAIL. As for jungle...I like it, and I'm a GAY WHITE MAIL FROM THE SUBURBS WHO LIVES IN IOWA NOW?? YOU GOT A FUCKING PROBLEM WITH THAT??? I ALSO LOVE HOUSE, AS LONG AS IT ISN'T REALLY REALLY DIVA-Y, BUT THAT CAN BE NICE TOO!! FUCK YOU ALL!!! if this shit doesn't improve, and we start talkin' nice to each other again, I'm going to discontinue my association with all ya'll ass talkin' jerks. I"M TIRED OF IT!!!! THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT LOVE OF MUSIC AND LOVE EACH OTHER!! I don't care WHAT part of WHAT city you come from, you are here because of MUSIC!!!!! I have been around A LONG TIME, I have been to A LOT of parties, I have taken A LOT of drugs....what does that make me? Well, right now, I love house music, I love computer generated music, I love jungle, I love trance...I AM A HUMAN BEING WHO LIKES MUSIC...and so are you. remember that. remember where we came from. remember your roots. don't become so blinded by the past that you can no longer see the future. hug the person next to you. please...if we are going to degenerate into "my part of my city is SO much cooler/authentic than your part of your city"...do it on private mail I believe in unity. I believe in love. why does it take three or four assholes to ruin a good thing? Tigger (really, REALLY tired of this crap.) From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 17:47:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id RAA03318; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 17:47:19 -0800 Received: from MAPLE.ucs.uwplatt.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA03307; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 17:47:15 -0800 From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #4908) id <01HNEEG2WTPC95OCYA@uwplatt.edu>; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 19:17:13 CST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 19:17:12 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: ghost dance desperation and ritual To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HNEEG2YP8295OCYA@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: MWRAVES MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > Why do we all "rave"? Is it a need? Is it an act of desperation? Are >we all so fed up with society and the world in genral that we are trying to >create are own? > I trying to figure out what is going on. I mean sometimes things >happen for a reason. Why do people think raving is going to change society >anyways? It kind of reminds me of the Ghost dances of the suiox at the end of >the last century. Fed up and powerless to change thier world they started to >hold gost dances to get the world back to the way it had been before. For some >reason all these cries for tribalism remind me of this. Well, what do I rave? Yes, it's a need. A need for me to feel free from all of the things I put up in life. A place where everything is "equal", and all I have to worry about is if I should drink my water now or later (not to mention sharing it with those around me). All I have to do, is dance. Something I do whenever I get a chance. I don't really do it as an act of desperation, and in no way do I want to create my own little world. It's just something fun, something I enjoy. Aren't those reasons enough? peace out, Ramylson ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke "If we were not here, material 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' events like the passage of the seasons 608.342.3196 would lack even the meager meanings Fun House Productions we are able to muster for them." dpn.member#002 --Annie Dillard-- ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 18:15:43 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id SAA05077; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 18:15:43 -0800 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA05069; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 18:15:40 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyekf20886; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 21:15:40 -0500 Received: from abennett by iglou.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0rhpXN-000204C; Thu, 23 Feb 95 21:13 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: abennett@iglou.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 21:14:57 -0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) Subject: Re: Breathe. Think. Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Dave Walker says: >It seems no one was listening to your post, Andrew. Hmmm... Yeah. Just to put my 2 cents in here, I'm getting *REALLY SICK AND TIRED* of this bickering. Very sick and tired. It's SOOOOO pointless and so out of scope of this list. Ultimatum: 1) Stop this shit right now. No more one off's, or last words. or 2) I shut mw-raves down for a few days. Don't push me. I will do it. Most of you know I'm the polite, easy going type. But this is pushing it way too far. This list has degenerated into the most long, drawn out pointless flame war I have ever seen. Kinda comparable to the wars I've heard rumors about on other regionalized rave lists. Realize that private email is more appropiate for some conversations. And for our sake, please *THINK* before sending email. Andrew -- This email is (c) 1995, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com http://taz.hyperreal.com/~abennett/ From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 19:06:18 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id TAA07569; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 19:06:18 -0800 Received: from worf.uwsp.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA07563; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 19:06:15 -0800 Received: from worf.uwsp.edu (worf.uwsp.edu [143.236.1.12]) by worf.uwsp.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA21892; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 21:03:11 -0600 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 21:03:11 -0600 (CST) From: Adam Desombre To: Kurt Vile cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: spaces and places In-Reply-To: <9502232334.AA09629@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Feb 1995, Kurt Vile wrote: > } > } Hey, where did PROJECT PLATO happen? that (for some reason) was one of > } my favorite events (despite the heat). I've heard they've thrown others > } there too... > } > where did that happen? that was what mid-summer of 1993, it was the same > night as spank the monkey? or was it the week after? yeah, it was the same night as Spank, we paid 13 bucks for tickets to Spank, got to the event just as everyone was leaving due to the bust. Heard about Project P and went to the map point, had only $5 between the two of us, and the dude was nice and gave us 2 tickets anyways (I think they were $10 otherwise) ...adam From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 20:36:06 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id UAA11911; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 20:36:06 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id UAA11901; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 20:36:04 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502240436.UAA11901@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re: since we are talking about words... (fwd) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 20:36:03 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1414 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** This message forwarded by Andrew. Direct replies to the correct ** address. From: Dave Miller Subject: Re: since we are talking about words... To: nib@dlogics.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 12:16:09 -0500 (EST) Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Reply-To: dvmiller+@osu.edu > ... could somebody please explain to a poor confused foeigner why the part > of the states we all live in is called midwest and not mideast? I don't > know, when I look on a map, it all looks pretty east-located to me. and > don't tell me it's not a list-related topic, there is "MW" in "MW-RAVES" :) > > bambi Hmm, I'll take a shot at this. Since the initial settlement (by Europeans) of N. America occurred in the east, and they really had no idea just how huge a continent they were dealing with, everything west of where they currently were was called 'The West'. (damned long sentence...phew!) When the expanse of the country was discovered, they kind of had to delineate things a little more, so the more eastern western states and territories were called the midwest. Of course, I'm just making this up, but it seems pretty reasonable. Dave -- i take pictures... ______________________________________________________________dvmiller+@osu.edu -- (c) 1995, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com Andrew's Page From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 20:38:54 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id UAA12122; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 20:38:54 -0800 Received: from ramona.cyborganic.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA12113; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 20:38:49 -0800 Received: from [140.174.95.21] (smellen.cyborganic.com [140.174.95.21]) by ramona.cyborganic.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA16339; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 20:37:12 -0800 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 00:45:53 -0800 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: Ellen Steuer Subject: mke pre fuk mac&cheez fest 3/3/95 Cc: nwdave@echonyc.com, uk02657@mik.uky.edu, tripperis@aol.com, obizuth@well.sf.ca.us, jwelch@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu, jonathan@cyborganic.com, Steve White Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk in celebration of the milwaukee part of the fuk tour... the anonymous girlz, ms. wiggles, ms. mary jane & jewleeya cordially invite you to the... mac and cheez feast of the century!! friday march 3, 1995 6pm-9pm 9430 n broadmoor rd milwaukee, WI i figure a bunch of you will be in town for fuk and i haven't hung out with many of you in such a long time! you can all hang at my house while the anonymous girlz fix you a lovely dinner of mac&cheez, jell-o, and whatever other goodies you would like to contribute. after dinner we can head over to the party going on here that joe posted about. if you are interested in coming please let me know so we can plan accordingly. we need a rough estimate of how many people to cook for. we would love for you all to come even though i have barely read any of the posts that have been on this list lately:) but hey its all groovy. i will post directions and such next week but for now i just wanna know how many of you weirdos i should expect. i have plenty of cd's and tapes but if anyone would like to bring some tables and records over that would be cool too:) i can hardly wait to see a bunch of you at heartland! i wish i could make it to louiville:( hope to see you all next week!! luv ya! ellen `/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/*`/* Ellen Steuer ellen@cyborganic.com G EEE *** *** MM MM SSS W W I G GGGG L E E SSS * * * * M M M M S S W W GGGG G G L EEEEE S S * * * * M M M S W W W I G G GGGG L E S * * * M M S W W W I GGGG G L E E S * * M M S S W W I G G G LLLLL EEE S S * * _______ SSS * __________ G G GG ______________ SSS * * / ***** \______/**********\ GG ____/**************\_____ zine,* * *_______ *******__________ \_____/******_____________******* cute * /_______\______/__________\*******_____/_____________\_______ girls, / \______/Anonymous \\_____/____/ 414.228.0669 \______ good \____/ conversation From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 21:00:27 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id VAA13328; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 21:00:27 -0800 Received: from home.interaccess.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA13318; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 21:00:24 -0800 Received: from [198.80.1.216] (nb-dyna116.interaccess.com [198.80.1.216]) by home.interaccess.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA06140 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 23:00:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199502240500.XAA06140@home.interaccess.com> X-Sender: adamgold@interaccess.com (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 23:03:08 +0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: adamgold@interaccess.com (Adam Goldstein) Subject: 1200's and Gemini's Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey Gang- I want to talk equipment, so here goes... About two months ago, I bought some Gemini XL BD-40's. After having the chance to spin on 1200's about a week ago, I went back home and realized that I found it much harder to spin on the Gemini's, as opposed to the 1200's. I know that is pretty obvious. Ok, here's the deal...The pitch control on the Gemini's is really unstable...when I try to slow the pitch down, it first speeds up, and then slows down, making mixing a very hard task... Should I even bother with these things? This brings me to the second part of my post, which is this...I guess I am interested in buying either one or two used 1200's...if anyone here is interested in either selling me some, or telling me where I can get them used, or if I even should get them used, it would be much appreciated. thanks! Adam From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 21:08:02 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id VAA13666; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 21:08:02 -0800 Received: from ns-mx.uiowa.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA13657; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 21:07:59 -0800 Received: from blue.weeg.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (8.6.8.2/19950217.1) on Thu, 23 Feb 1995 23:08:00 -0600 id XAA06318 with ESMTP Received: by blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.6.10/940408) on Thu, 23 Feb 1995 23:07:49 -0600 id XAA20684 Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 23:07:48 -0600 (CST) From: "A. Calabrese" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Thaaaaats my booooooy, TIGGER!!! Oh,....high everybody. *waves* From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 21:13:20 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id VAA13843; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 21:13:20 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id VAA13837; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 21:13:18 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502240513.VAA13837@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: MUSIC - CLEVELAND - MARCH 3 1995 (fwd) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 21:13:18 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1938 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** another message forwarded by Andrew ** Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 13:41:35 -0500 (EST) From: "'The Professional'" Subject: MUSIC - CLEVELAND - MARCH 3 1995 (fwd) To: thelme00@UKCC.UKY.EDU Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII as requested, here's a post from Damian. later. ----------------------------Original message---------------------------- tim please forward this to mw-raves. thanx man =) .:damian .:rock the bells kid .:damian+@pitt.edu ---------- Forwarded message ---------- :: Psychoactive Records and Deep Records want you to realize it's not the style; its not the attitude. It is a love for the . . . * M U S I C * let's get back to the music :: This is the beginning of a once-a-month party (the first Friday of every month) brought to you by Psychoactive Records, Terra Incognita and Deep Records. For tix info and location, call 216.790.3682 or Deep Records at 216.382.3101. Please come with a smile, and bring energy to groove. Experience what the dance movement is really about - THE MUSIC! :: DJs BaggaDonuts (dc underground) Dave Trance (psychoactive/caffeine) Kevin Bumpers (ruffneck beats) Peter Anderson (housin grooves) Sleepy C (psychoactive/analog/communique) Tots (peace frog/deep) :: March 3, 1995 .. 10:00pm - 6:00am :: $8 @ the door .. all ages :: NO DRUGS OR ALCOHOL, PLEASE .. TERMINAL IN THE HOUSE :: Intella Lights & Sound by Soundtrax Steve (sleepy-c) also wanted me to mention that the sound will also be quadra sound, and that this will be less of a rave, and more of a total 'environment'. This messgage posted on behalf of Deep/Psychoactive Records. .:damian / dieselboy .:rock the bells kid .:damian+@pitt.edu From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 22:03:22 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id WAA15425; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 22:03:22 -0800 Received: from MAPLE.ucs.uwplatt.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA15420; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 22:03:18 -0800 From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #4908) id <01HNEKP3F3IO95OBQO@uwplatt.edu>; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 22:14:17 CST Date: Thu, 23 Feb 1995 22:14:16 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: hold up STOP! To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HNEKP3HIBM95OBQO@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: MWRAVES MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >I'm a GAY WHITE MAIL FROM THE SUBURBS Hold up, hold up. Tigger.. so what you're saying is that you basically belong to the United States post office? heehee.. sorry, I had to. :> Peace out, Ramylson (pokin' a little fun at the cat) ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke "If we were not here, material 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' events like the passage of the seasons 608.342.3196 would lack even the meager meanings Fun House Productions we are able to muster for them." dpn.member#002 --Annie Dillard-- ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 22:07:18 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id WAA15574; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 22:07:18 -0800 Received: from ux5.cso.uiuc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA15568; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 22:07:15 -0800 Received: by ux5.cso.uiuc.edu id AA21821 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 00:07:15 -0600 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 00:07:14 -0600 (CST) From: robert To: Adam Goldstein Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: 1200's and Gemini's In-Reply-To: <199502240500.XAA06140@home.interaccess.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Feb 1995, Adam Goldstein wrote: > Hey Gang- > > Ok, here's the deal...The pitch control on the Gemini's is really > unstable...when I try to slow the pitch down, it first speeds up, and then > slows down, making mixing a very hard task... > Should I even bother with these things? > > This brings me to the second part of my post, which is this...I > guess I am interested in buying either one or two used 1200's...if anyone > here is interested in either selling me some, or telling me where I can get > them used, or if I even should get them used, it would be much appreciated. > > thanks! > Adam Hey, doesn't it sound to you that used 1200's are better than brand-new Gemini's?! Next time, you know what to do. From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 22:20:40 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id WAA16156; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 22:20:40 -0800 Received: from orion.bsuvc.bsu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA16147; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 22:20:38 -0800 Received: from BSUVC.bsu.edu by BSUVC.bsu.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #6522) id <01HNER8UNH28I6A3A3@BSUVC.bsu.edu>; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 01:19:14 EST Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 01:19:14 -0500 (EST) From: 00rghollands@bsuvc.bsu.edu Subject: May U live 2 see the Dawn... To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HNER8UO9ZMI6A3A3@BSUVC.bsu.edu> X-VMS-To: MW MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk During our previous program... It is time for the mid-west to welcome the next level of organizing our gatherings. Things cannot remain the same. Change and change now is our only hope for survival. The current methods are our path to extinction. Look beyond where you are and what you expect to find your new niche in this next strata of trancendance. Concern yourself with this at once. I Love U Observations have indicated that people inside our wknd rituals believe themselves to be in an alternate existance. Time spent here is entirely different then time elsewhere. As it should be. Some have become too accustomed to this seemingly lawless world. Participants subsequently have become careless in their regard for our gatherings. Not only within the confines of the ritual, but also outside its protection. Another trend from this has been the taking for granted of both the method of organization and the execution of our parties. Are we underground? Do we subscribe to our beliefs at any cost? Would we rather have as much of what we want as we can get, without offending the establishments laws...? If so, would that be enough? Things *will* change soon, and you must *choose* to be a part of it. Those who don't make change happen, will fall one step behind. My friends, natural selection is upon us. Good Luck Everyone, David Hollands - 00RgHollands@BSUvc.BSU.edu ps - Following FUK/Louisville, I will be gone for one month. Hope to see you then. From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 22:38:23 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id WAA16794; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 22:38:23 -0800 Received: from infochi.infochi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA16788; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 22:38:17 -0800 Received: by infochi.infochi.com id AA24730 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 00:39:18 -0600 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 01:38:12 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Shea Subject: Re: blah blah To: Nicolas Bamberski Cc: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU, mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <9502231816.AA05480@dlogics.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Feb 1995, Nicolas Bamberski wrote: > ps: I recommend to anyone the book "Bomb the Suburbs" by Upski. It's terrific! > Cost is $7 at the Litterary Explosion on Damen/North in Chicago. A good view > of urban life in a hip-hop frame of mind. > Or buy it on the subway, where he sold it to me. It's even good if you're not on the hip-hop tip. Pretty close to essential reading for those in love with da city. Stu From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 22:46:08 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id WAA17015; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 22:46:08 -0800 Received: from infochi.infochi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id WAA17004; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 22:46:01 -0800 Received: by infochi.infochi.com id AA24782 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 00:47:07 -0600 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 01:44:29 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Shea Subject: Re: Moving on.. To: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199502231953.LAA08234@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Thu, 23 Feb 1995 AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU wrote: > This is Zheam and I need to set some things straight from now on... > > *Third to Kurt, Read up on Otis Blackwell, the black musician who wrote and > recorded "All Shook Up" "Don't Be Cruel" and "Return to Sender" for Elvis to > imitate and also Otis wrote "Great Balls of Fire." And to put icing on your > angel cake, "Hound Dog" was performed by a Black Blues singers in the 20s and > was very popular among our culture. Influence my ass. Most likely influenced > to capitilize off my people and not giving them credit but some negative and Let's get this straight...Otis wrote the songs...got his name on the label...made some money...and he was ripped off. Okay, I get it. Thanks for clearing this up. There have been plenty of instances of musicians of all races getting ripped off. But don't invent some just to get sympathy. (If you're looking for black musicians who got ripped off, try on Chuck Berry for size. If you want a white example, check out John Lennon, one of the world's most stolen-from musicians, who said something to the effect that "it's only lawyers and accountants who think music BELONGS to someone.") > on this list posting irrelevant BS only meant to incite or create a flame war. > If you want to discuss these issues, there are mailing lists dedicated to these Kurt has been on this list a f***ing long time, and a damn sight better than you (or I for that matter). He's throwing no attitude, just opinion based on love for the music. Peace on you, Stu From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 23:03:18 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id XAA17694; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 23:03:18 -0800 Received: from earth.execpc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA17689; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 23:03:16 -0800 From: danimal@earth.execpc.com Received: from 204.29.202.114 (enceladus.execpc.com [204.29.202.114]) by earth.execpc.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA01750; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 01:00:55 -0600 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 01:00:55 -0600 Message-Id: <199502240700.BAA01750@earth.execpc.com> Subject: Re: hold up STOP! To: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata), MW-RAVES@hyperreal.com X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk <---- Begin Included Message ----> remember that. remember where we came from. remember your roots. don't become so blinded by the past that you can no longer see the future. hug the person next to you. please...if we are going to degenerate into "my part of my city is SO much cooler/authentic than your part of your city"...do it on private mail I believe in unity. I believe in love. why does it take three or four assholes to ruin a good thing? Tigger (really, REALLY tired of this crap.) <---- End Included Message ----> Why? Like I have said it before and I will say it again.. "Human Nature" If you are looking for some sort of Utopia, forget it. I believe there is not such thing as a perfect Utopia. Even the best, most loving, compatible family or group of friends will have arguments. People have their own opinions you may agree with that person or you may not. Little arguments or spats from time to time are rather healthy. Its NOT healthy tho if these arguments go on for a long period of time. DTW __ Copywrite 1994 D.T.W. Corp All rights and lefts reserved. Danimal@earth.execpc.com Web Page Http://www.execpc.com/~danimal/dtwcorp/dtwcorp.html Oh Goody! My Alludium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator! A Dream is but a fleeting moment, but a dream about you is Eternal. If your Parents never had sex chances are you won't either. From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 23:07:07 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id XAA17820; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 23:07:07 -0800 Received: from bronze.coil.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA17815; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 23:07:03 -0800 Received: from localhost (eluna@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) id CAA27412; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 02:08:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 02:08:19 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Luna To: mwraves Subject: detroit this sat Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk is called "envelope," not "sealed and delivered" and the day is the 25th in case anyone is confused. ++ e d From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 23:19:29 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id XAA18148; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 23:19:29 -0800 Received: from mik.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA18139; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 23:19:26 -0800 Received: from nx06.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA03139; Fri, 24 Feb 95 02:19:26 -0500 From: Jim Owens Message-Id: <9502240719.AA03139@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx06.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA00488; Fri, 24 Feb 95 02:18:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 02:18:11 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com, 7283@mik.uky.edu Subject: FUK directions and info Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all!!! I hope you are FUKKING ready!!! DIRECTIONS: FROM EAST OF LOUISVILLE: Take I64 west past louisville and cross the bridge into Indiana. Take the first exit (New Albany). Turn right. Go 2 lights. Right on State street. Go 2 lights. Left on Market Street. The Grand Theatre will be on your right. FROM WEST OF LOUISVILLE: Take I64 east almost till louisville. Take the last New Albany (123) Go left (unless the exit makes you come the other way, i dont think it does) Go 2 lights. Right on State street. Go 2 lights. Left on Market Street. The Grand Theatre will be on your right. FROM SOUTH OF LOUISVILLE: Take I65 north to I64. Take I64 west past louisville and cross the bridge into Indiana. Take the first exit (New Albany). Turn right. Go 2 lights. Right on State street. Go 2 lights. Left on Market Street. The Grand Theatre will be on your right. FROM NORTH OF LOUISVILLE: Take I65 south to I64. Take I64 west past louisville and cross the bridge into Indiana. Take the first exit (New Albany). Turn right. Go 2 lights. Right on State street. Go 2 lights. Left on Market Street. The Grand Theatre will be on your right. Tickets are $12 at the door. Netraver discount is $5. Therefore assuming you mailed in, the net cost is $7. Louisville info line: (502) 569-1969 Lexington info line: (606) 281-4199 Let's make this a safe party!!! Be responsible!!! There will be searches at the door! THINGS NOT TO BRING: weapons, alcohol, drugs, markers or paint, attitude. THE SHOW STARTS AT 11pm!!! Thanks for your support and see you there!! *~cosmic~~~ From mw-raves-owner Thu Feb 23 23:59:30 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id XAA19219; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 23:59:30 -0800 Received: from mail04.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA19205; Thu, 23 Feb 1995 23:59:27 -0800 From: E1024@aol.com Received: by mail04.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA217962740; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 02:59:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 02:59:00 -0500 Message-Id: <950224025859_30925483@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: FUK Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Does anyone know if there will be net raver discounts for the Milwakee party? Eric From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 00:55:31 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id AAA21732; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 00:55:31 -0800 Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA21727; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 00:55:28 -0800 From: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Message-Id: <199502240855.AAA21727@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6035; Fri, 24 Feb 95 02:54:00 CST Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 02:50:35 CST To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Final Say Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Fuck all you bastards and beotchs that talking that shit. You just can't stand a positive Black man with knowledge of self, with truth and God on his side. I guess you rather dance to our music in your ignorance talking that "unity" bullshit. Fuck all yall. I'm still going be around with or without any of you silly ass hoes. Zheam From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 01:33:40 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id BAA22945; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 01:33:40 -0800 Received: from tigerden.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id BAA22940; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 01:33:35 -0800 Received: by tigerden.com id AA04976 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 04:33:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 04:33:57 -0500 (EST) From: "D.A.C. Crowell" To: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Final Say In-Reply-To: <199502240855.AAA21727@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Feb 1995 AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU wrote: > Fuck all you bastards and beotchs that talking that shit. You just can't stand > a positive Black man with knowledge of self, with truth and God on his side. > > I guess you rather dance to our music in your ignorance talking that "unity" > bullshit. Fuck all yall. I'm still going be around with or without any of > you silly ass hoes. All I can say is that this all brings me back to a bunch of nights back in 1969. Yes, I'm old enough to remember 1969, folks, I'm 33. I recall the orange glow back toward the center of town as the black neighborhoods burned, the curfews as the National Guard was mobilized, and the pain and suffering of everyone in the land when Martin Luther King died. I remember the hate, the intolerance, the outright stupidity of it all most...and seeing that hate, intolerance, and outright stupidity reflected back at...well, at what should be a place and time for people to pull together, and it just makes me sick...and very sorry for someone who can't or won't or whatever...hold to the Dream. If this is the end result of all of the fight that so many of us put forth for the rights of others, then King perhaps did die in vain...along with all of the others. _This_ is the vain-proud legacy of the struggle? Gods, I hope not...for if it is, all of us who fought to bring the rights to those who were denied it for so long wasted our precious time. Zheam, what you say above is no better than the garbage streaming from the mouth of a white-sheeted Klansman of this country's not-so-recent past. It is no justification that you're a "proud black man"...hate, like blood, love, and other human universals knows no color. Perhaps you should take the time, if you were not part of those times, to learn what all of that fighting was for...to learn why people died, why they were terrorized by the bigoted, short-sighted of this land. And perhaps you might learn from what you encounter. And when you do learn, perhaps you will understand the gravity of what you say above. Welcome to the hatemongers, our friend. You have chosen a very ugly side on which to stand. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\ "People usually think that the arts should D.A.C. Crowell |only entertain, but that is not the role of Audio Design and Programming |the arts at all. The role of the arts is to The Aerodyne Works |explore the inner space of man; to find out Champaign, IL, USA. |how much and how intensely he can vibrate, dacc@tigerden.com |through sound, through what he hears, http://hyperreal.com/music/ |whichever it is. They are a means by which artists/dac_crowell |to expand his inner universe. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>/ -- Karlheinz Stockhausen From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 03:45:35 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id DAA26986; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 03:45:35 -0800 Received: from mailhost.cyberquest.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id DAA26981; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 03:45:32 -0800 Received: by mailhost.cyberquest.com (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA20361; Fri, 24 Feb 95 03:45:27 -0800 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 03:45:25 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Lyons To: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Final Say In-Reply-To: <199502240855.AAA21727@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Feb 1995 AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU wrote: > Fuck all you bastards and beotchs that talking that shit. You just can't stand > a positive Black man with knowledge of self, with truth and God on his side. > > I guess you rather dance to our music in your ignorance talking that "unity" > bullshit. Fuck all yall. I'm still going be around with or without any of > you silly ass hoes. > > Zheam > supremacist maybe, but positive you ain't....In fact it seems like the only way you interpret conversation is with a "see it Zheams' way or Fuck all yall" attitude. That's too bad, especially in the context of this list, but more importantly in respect to interacting with people everyday. You may still be around without any of us "silly ass hoes", but its' a much longer and harder road when you're going it alone....:( From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 05:35:54 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id FAA01041; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 05:35:54 -0800 Received: from mik.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id FAA01034; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 05:35:50 -0800 Received: from nx55.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA06222; Fri, 24 Feb 95 08:35:41 -0500 From: jerry marvin haws Message-Id: <9502241335.AA06222@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx55.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA01518; Fri, 24 Feb 95 08:34:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 08:34:21 -0500 To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com, to@mik.uky.edu Subject: FUK / louisville / Directions Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi there, sorry to be so late with these- Here's how you, too, can go tonight and Fuk. >From the north and south, take I-65 to louisville, then hit I-64 west to st-louios.... Take I-64 west and follow the next set of directions. >From the east, like Cinci & Lexington, take I-64 west straight thru Louisville, and over the Sherman-Mitten (sp?) bridge to New Albany. Take the first exit (NEW ALBANY) and turn right. Go 2 lights, and turn RIGHT on STATE street Go 2 lights, and turn LEFT on MARKET street Go a block and a half, and you will see the Marquis for the GRAND THEATRE. You're there, baby! >From the west, take the New Albany exit on 64 east, just before you cross the bridge into Kentucky. I think you turn left at the base of the exit. Then follow the other directions. Directions are also at 606.281.4199 and 502.569.1969. Doors open at 11pm. Richie's already here, let's party. Seriously, this is a really safe site. It's all good. Etc, etc... jj From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 06:36:28 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id GAA03171; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 06:36:28 -0800 Received: from indyunix.iupui.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA03163; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 06:36:26 -0800 From: pehall@indyunix.iupui.edu Received: by indyunix.iupui.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA28124; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:30:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:30:56 -0500 (EST) Subject: Crashspace for Heartland. To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello folksies. BlueraZZbeRRy blowPoP here. I just want to let you know that I will be at Heartland this weekend. I live up on the northside and have an apartment all to myself. because my parents are in europe. So If anyone wants to take a couple hour nap before headingon that long ride home then I have the space for you. email me back if you would like to crash or tell me at heratland. There is enough room for a lot of people. MUCH LOVE and ALOHA "How many licks does it take to get to the bubble gum center of a "blueraZZbeRRy blowPoP"? pat From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 07:31:52 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id HAA05733; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 07:31:52 -0800 Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id HAA05726; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 07:31:47 -0800 Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by UWSTOUT.EDU (PMDF V4.3-7 #4883) id <01HNF89QQ3UO000NF3@UWSTOUT.EDU>; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:31:43 CST Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:31:43 -0600 (CST) From: THE FRESHMAKER Subject: BYE BYE! To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HNF89QRPPU000NF3@UWSTOUT.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Im out of here due to an overflow problem Im having with mail..If anyone wishes to get in touch with me, my address and phone and such will be listed. I may be back on this summer or earlier, but then, I don't know.. It would be real cool if anyone would keep me updated on net events, and other fun stuff! But as for now goddbye !!! and luv y'all! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Pedersen (QuikTrip...Mirror) 335 Wigen Hall beatPHREAKsociety Menomonie, WI 54751 Sunshine Underground Inc. (715) 232-3937 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 08:52:36 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id IAA10020; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 08:52:36 -0800 Received: from student5.cl.msu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA10015; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 08:52:34 -0800 Received: from [35.8.189.73] by student5.cl.msu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/MSU-2.10) id AA19870; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 11:47:42 -0500 Message-Id: <9502241647.AA19870@student5.cl.msu.edu> X-Sender: macqueen@student5.msu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 11:52:20 -0500 To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: macqueen@student.msu.edu (Matt MacQueen) Subject: Mar. 3rd - Swiftly Tilting Planet Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk since no-one posted this yet (I think)....please add to calender Eclectic Productions brings you: ___A_Swiftly_Tilting_Planet___ Friday March 3, LANSING, MI. DJ's: Astroboy Tim Baker Chuck Hampton Vladimir Samme Sunshyne Matt MacQueen Kyle Tait for location and info call (517)371-8542 limited capacity, please carpool. [editorial note: I'm not certain, but I *THINK* this is at a brand-new space] From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 08:59:58 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id IAA10407; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 08:59:58 -0800 Received: from oak.cats.ohiou.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA10401; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 08:59:55 -0800 Received: by oak.cats.ohiou.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/03Feb95-1128AM) id AA23227; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 11:59:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 11:59:23 -0500 From: Amy Jo Waldowski Message-Id: <9502241659.AA23227@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: happy bday to brad! Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ******************************************************************************* HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU, ADROCK!!!!! ******************************************************************************* many many hugs from butterfly and little elf (and everyone else too, im sure :) arent you lucky..look at the party you get :) From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 09:30:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA12199; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:30:33 -0800 Received: from mik.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA12191; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:30:30 -0800 Received: from nx08.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA12248; Fri, 24 Feb 95 12:30:29 -0500 From: Jim Owens Message-Id: <9502241730.AA12248@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx08.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA00399; Fri, 24 Feb 95 12:30:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 12:30:28 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: FUK in Louisville - Please read if you are going! Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey all you netters... Our beloved vrave junkie Jess (jessica brown) is without a ride to FUK. Being such a contributor to the vibe everywhere......It's very important that she make it to the party!!! Anyone passing through the colombus or dayton area that can offer her a ride would be most appreciated for doing so.(We might even give you special bonuses) She's in Colombus but she can get to dayton. If you can help out please contact her at: Jessica Brown - (614) 236-7954 and/or jbrown@capital.edu thanks for your attention.... the finalized net list will be up shortly! *~cosmic~~~ From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 09:32:22 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA12339; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:32:22 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA12333; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:32:20 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.203.92]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06544; Fri, 24 Feb 95 09:34:14 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07441; Fri, 24 Feb 95 09:34:11 PST Received: from nib.dlogics.com by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03094; Fri, 24 Feb 95 11:33:47 CST Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 11:33:47 CST Message-Id: <9502241733.AA03094@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: Re: Breathe. Think. Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >2) I shut mw-raves down for a few days. YOU JUST TRY! hehe we know what you look like roo, shut mw-rave down and HIDE cauz we will be your worst nightmare. Well, just in case you decide to do it anyway, IS ANYBODY UP FOR A BIG "LOVE" CARAVAN (milwaukke -> Chicago -> Purdue -> Indianapolis -> roo) TO GO BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF DA ROO BENNETT? COME ON GUYS/GALS, IT WOULD BE LIKE THE BIG I.O CARAVAN :) bambi nib@dlogics.com From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 09:45:33 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA13295; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:45:33 -0800 Received: from relay3.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA13285; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 09:45:30 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyemp22826; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 12:45:36 -0500 Received: from abennett by iglou.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0ri43U-0001yzC; Fri, 24 Feb 95 12:43 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: abennett@iglou.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 12:45:04 -0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) Subject: Re: Breathe. Think. Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >>2) I shut mw-raves down for a few days. > >YOU JUST TRY! hehe we know what you look like roo, shut mw-rave down and HIDE >cauz we will be your worst nightmare. Well, just in case you decide to do it >anyway, IS ANYBODY UP FOR A BIG "LOVE" CARAVAN (milwaukke -> Chicago -> >Purdue -> Indianapolis -> roo) TO GO BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF DA ROO BENNETT? >COME ON GUYS/GALS, IT WOULD BE LIKE THE BIG I.O CARAVAN :) Andrew's response: "Heh." Maybe I'll do it so you all come down here again. Yeah. Not. But anyways, I was serious about shutting the list down for a few days. That should be enough time to let people cool down and perhaps appreciate this list a bit more, some of which I think people take for granted. I'll only do that if it's necessary, though. We haven't reached that point. But that by no means continue the current status. Andrew -- This email is (c) 1995, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com http://taz.hyperreal.com/~abennett/ From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 10:43:37 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id KAA17127; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 10:43:37 -0800 Received: from mik.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA17119; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 10:43:30 -0800 Received: from nx08.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA14124; Fri, 24 Feb 95 13:43:27 -0500 From: Jim Owens Message-Id: <9502241843.AA14124@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx08.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA00476; Fri, 24 Feb 95 13:43:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 13:43:24 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: Mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: FUK netlist ..... Final version Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Here is the final version of the net list for FUK in louisville. Thomas R. Schmidt Sung Shim Craig L. Stodolenak amy waldowski becca maslow Anthony Cosco Rob Baltzer James Clyde Temple Janice Lynn Vielhaber Kimm Follett Chris Kozup Kyle Larson Jonathan Morris Brian Ayo Knowles Jason Clark kimberly j smock Ellen Steuer Kris Ellen Grotelueschen Jessica Brown bradley w rolf Tim Elmer Patrick M. Morrissey Brad Jiulianti Josh Toole Kelly Ann Cunningham Jennifer Palmer james johnston katerina tamburro Charley Bryce Todd Jones Kim Crane Andrew Bennett Joe Carroll Nathan Curry jonathan thomas Jenny Roller marissa holden Rique Curtis Mike Butler jim soria john eric ii hurtgen ian patterson matt bonde john drehfal amy sohn? Nate Goldbaum josh short doc Kristin BonDurant eric wilcox/hobbes brett a strassner george birk- tiffanie prewitt AMY HAMLET m brown Cory Harton jay knight Mehdi Adineh kyle burress kevin pren? christina weeter KOUROSH MORADMAND If you are not on here I am sorry but that is it. The day is here!!!! See you all there!!! =) *~cosmic~~~ From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 11:15:50 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA19277; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 11:15:50 -0800 Received: from mtech.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA19260; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 11:15:47 -0800 Received: by mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk id m0ri5VI-0000MAC; Fri, 24 Feb 95 13:16 CST Message-Id: From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (stevenJ) Subject: [s i g h] To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:16:37 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 478 Y'all have pushed me too far with the current flame war. I'm leaving the main list for an indefinite period of time and staying on the calendar distribution. I can't even bring myself to review the latest vinyl finds I've made. 'tis a sad day, indeed. I hope I can continue to keep meeting cool people at parties and keep seeing everyone who I already know. I'll be at Fuk in Milwaukee and maybe the little shindig the night before. With all my heart, peace... - stevenJ From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 11:16:54 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA19404; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 11:16:54 -0800 Received: from orion.it.luc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA19392; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 11:16:50 -0800 Received: by orion.it.luc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA120813; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:16:28 -0600 From: vshuman@orion.it.luc.edu (Valery M. Shuman) Message-Id: <9502241916.AA120813@orion.it.luc.edu> Subject: Revelation on the Calendar To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:16:25 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 279 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You forgot to put DJ MOTV on the post of Revelation on the calendar, I know I must be biased, but you included everyone else from the flier, or did you use the pre-flyer? Anyway, I just wanted to let people know that he would be there, and that he is REALLY good!:) MEOW From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 11:32:27 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA20747; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 11:32:27 -0800 Received: from ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA20740; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 11:32:24 -0800 Received: by ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu id AA22064 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for multi-recipients of list ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:31:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:31:31 -0400 (EST) From: doc Reply-To: doc Subject: heartland stuff To: multi-recipients of list Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk first off... the party with scott henry has been cancelled. due to a broken hand he could not make it. so GO TO FUK/LOUISVILLE!!! second... we will be opening the doors for the party about 9:00 or 9:30. DIRECTIONS- coming from CHICAGO -take I-65 south to indy. exit the RAYMOND ST exit. then east till you see McDONALDS. mickey d's is in the parking lot of the space. coming from LOUISVILLE -take I-65 north to indy. exit the RAYMOND ST exit. then east till you see McDONALDS. mickey d's is in the parking lot of the space. coming from DETROIT -take I-69 to I-465 south. exit I-65 north. then follow the LOUISVILLE directions coming from DAYTON -take I-70 to I-465 south. exit I-65 north. then follow the LOUISVILLE directions coming from CINCINNATTI -take I-74 to I-465 south. exit I-65 north. then follow the LOUISVILLE directions coming from ST. LOUIS -take I-70 to I-465 east. exit I-65 north to indy. then follow the LOUISVILLE directions ok... that is all for now. hope to see all of you there:) see-ya at FUK/LOUISVILLE -doc infoline>317.767.4913 From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 11:35:55 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA21079; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 11:35:55 -0800 Received: from ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA21071; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 11:35:52 -0800 Received: by ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu id AA25131 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for multi-recipients of list ); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:35:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:34:59 -0400 (EST) From: doc Subject: netlist for heartland To: multi-recipients of list Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk if ya e-mailed me by 2:40pm on friday. you saved yourself $2 in cold hard cash;) -doc p.s. J2 booth around 1am From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 12:49:30 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA26414; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 12:49:30 -0800 Received: from MAPLE.ucs.uwplatt.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA26400; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 12:49:25 -0800 From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #4908) id <01HNFJBIAEF495OQ6D@uwplatt.edu>; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:44:38 CST Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:44:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: Paper. To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HNFJBIBH0295OQ6D@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: MWRAVES MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, due to the wonders of school, it looks like I'm going to have to a paper, which really isn't anything new, but I'm doing it on raves, etc. What I'm going to ask all of you is this, how would you define rave? Or, a rave? A prize to the person who's definition I use. :> Peace out, Ramylson ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke "If we were not here, material 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' events like the passage of the seasons 608.342.3196 would lack even the meager meanings Fun House Productions we are able to muster for them." dpn.member#002 --Annie Dillard-- ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 13:45:56 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA00472; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:45:56 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA00456; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:45:52 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA19475; Fri, 24 Feb 95 15:47:37 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id PAA05052; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:43:32 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08667; Fri, 24 Feb 95 15:44:39 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11487; Fri, 24 Feb 95 15:44:38 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502242144.AA11487@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: kurtosis.com! To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 15:44:37 CST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey now! at exactly 12:00am kurtosis.com is going on line :) :) you can now reach me at vile@kurtosis.com as well as the usual other places..... the site will move to being an isdn hookup hopefully at the end of march. if you have any special projects you would like to do (a mail list, a web site, etc etc) contact me and we'll see what we can hash out (due to the limits of my service contract I can't do somethings but we can talk about it :) weeeeeeeee! work to do - --Kurt -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@kurtosis.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 13:51:30 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA00854; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:51:30 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA00847; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 13:51:27 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA19679; Fri, 24 Feb 95 15:53:10 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id PAA05207; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:48:59 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08936; Fri, 24 Feb 95 15:50:04 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11505; Fri, 24 Feb 95 15:50:03 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502242150.AA11505@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: Re: Paper. To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 15:50:03 CST Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <01HNFJBIBH0295OQ6D@uwplatt.edu>; from "BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu" at Feb 24, 95 2:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk } } } Well, due to the wonders of school, it looks like I'm going to have } to a paper, which really isn't anything new, but I'm doing it on raves, etc. } What I'm going to ask all of you is this, how would you define rave? Or, a } rave? A prize to the person who's definition I use. :> } ok I'll take a stab - rave: a ritualistic, communal gathering of people with the purpose of celebrating the elemental rythmns of electronic music through dance. ravers: a person who participates in the celebration of a rave with a purpose of developing the community aspects of the gathering. simple basic definitions that can be expounded upon easily :) --Kurt "communication and thought is the key" osis -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@kurtosis.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 15:44:37 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id PAA08254; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:44:37 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA08246; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:44:33 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by AC.GRIN.EDU (PMDF V4.3-9 #4381) id <01HNFPOESCIO8Y71HP@AC.GRIN.EDU>; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 17:44:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 17:44:57 -0500 (CDT) From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) Subject: I'm gonna bring this up To: MW-RAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Message-id: <01HNFPOESCIQ8Y71HP@AC.GRIN.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk ok... I'm glad to see the flame wars have died a little, and I apologize for being an ass last night to everyone but the one who is not my buddy, or my pal, but then again, he knows who I am talking about. Truly, I am tired of all the name calling and hatred that has been propgating this list as of late. It gets old. As any oppressed people realize, eventually you have to say something or be crushed. Now it is the time for me to say something. I'm gay...you all know that (at least now). It's what I am, not who I am. How does this relate to the "scene"? Well, let's look at it this way, Disco survived in the Gay clubs throughout the nation while the rest of the country (exclude people who were clued in) listened to really bad music (read JOURNEY). To me, music isn't a gay/straight/white/black thing, it is a people thing...something that should unify (oh no, there is that UNITY word again) instead of divide. I don't care who you are or what you do, I'll groove with you. I don't care what color you are or who you sleep with...I'll move with ya we can throw our arms in the air and dance till we can't dance no more all for the love of the music and the bond that is formed. please be well to each other this weekend and always... go with love and togetherness... hold on to the one thing that brings us together the groove.... peace. TIgger (not your average gay male) From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 16:00:16 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id QAA09309; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 16:00:16 -0800 Received: from ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA09301; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 16:00:13 -0800 Received: by ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu id AA19966 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 18:59:24 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 18:59:23 -0400 (EST) From: michael john kessler Subject: URGENT PETITION -- Fight E-Mail Censorship! To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just thought that some of you may want to take the time out of your bitchfest to see what our little legislature is up to. Read it through because it could involve each and every one of us. Peace out and I hope to meet some of you at Heartland. Michael >>> --BEGIN INCLUDED MESSAGE-- >>> >>> Hello everyone- >>[snipped] >>> >>> Simply put, a couple of senators have proposed a particularly >>> heinous piece of legislation titled the "Communications >>> Decency Act of 1995" (Senate Bill S. 314). Basically, the >>> bill would subject all forms of electronic communication -- >>> from public Internet postings to your most private email -- >>> to government censorship. The effects of the bill onto the >>> online industry would be devastating -- most colleges and >>> private companies (AOL, Compuserve, etc.) would probably have >>> to shut down or greatly restrict access, since they would be >>> held criminally liable for the postings and email of private >>> users. >>> >>[more snipped] >>> >>> A petition, to be sent to Congress, the President, and the media, >>> has begun spreading through the Internet. It's easy to participate >>> and be heard -- to sign it, you simply follow the instructions >>> below -- which boil down to sending a quick email message to a >>> certain address. That's all it takes to let your voice be heard. >>> (You know, if the Internet makes democracy this accessible to the >>> average citizen, is it any wonder Congress wants to censor it?) >>> >>> Finally, PLEASE forward this message to all your friends online. >>> The more people sign the petition, the more the government will >>> get the message to back off the online community. >>> mightier than the sword -- or the Senate, in this case. >>> >>[snippage] >>> >>> -don >>> >>> > >>> > Here's what you have to do to sign the petition: >>> > >>> > send an e-mail message to: S314-petition@netcom.com >>> > the message (NOT the subject heading) should read as follows: >>> > SIGNED >>> > eg. SIGNED lsewell@leland.Stanford.EDU Laura Sewell YES >>> > >>> > If you are interested in signing the petition, I would highly suggest >>> > investigating the details of the situation. You can find out more on >>> > the Web at http://www.wookie.net/~slowdog or in the newsgroup >>> > comp.org.eff.talk >>> > >>> > Save the 'net! If you won't do it for the sake of justice and the >>> > American way, DO IT FOR ME!! PLEASE!!!!!! >>> > >>> > --Laura >>> > >> > From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 19:25:48 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id TAA20501; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 19:25:48 -0800 Received: from tigerden.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA20494; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 19:25:43 -0800 Received: by tigerden.com id AA10585 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com); Fri, 24 Feb 1995 22:26:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 22:26:05 -0500 (EST) From: "D.A.C. Crowell" To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Paper. In-Reply-To: <01HNFJBIBH0295OQ6D@uwplatt.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Fri, 24 Feb 1995 BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu wrote: > Well, due to the wonders of school, it looks like I'm going to have > to a paper, which really isn't anything new, but I'm doing it on raves, etc. > What I'm going to ask all of you is this, how would you define rave? Or, a > rave? A prize to the person who's definition I use. :> Stick a Rohrschack blot in as the title page. It serves two purposes: it's a trippy-looking visual _and_ anyone can read anything they like into it...just like the real thing! :) OK, so that's a bit of a cheap-out...it's a _funny_ idea, at least...:) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\ "People usually think that the arts should D.A.C. Crowell |only entertain, but that is not the role of Audio Design and Programming |the arts at all. The role of the arts is to The Aerodyne Works |explore the inner space of man; to find out Champaign, IL, USA. |how much and how intensely he can vibrate, dacc@tigerden.com |through sound, through what he hears, http://hyperreal.com/music/ |whichever it is. They are a means by which artists/dac_crowell |to expand his inner universe. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>/ -- Karlheinz Stockhausen From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 20:20:43 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id UAA23115; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 20:20:43 -0800 Received: from mail06.mail.aol.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA23109; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 20:20:40 -0800 From: Zietgiest@aol.com Received: by mail06.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA135826011; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 23:20:11 -0500 Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 23:20:11 -0500 Message-Id: <950224232002_31739987@aol.com> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Zheam's Racism Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk All I have to say is practice what you preach. Some of us "white" guys don't like being clumped together all in a bunch for you to put labels on. You have something's relevant to say, but completly discredit yourself when you turn around and make comments like " Whites will never give props where it's do" and think that we have nothing to offer society. This is the U.S. A cultural melting pot. My ancestor's where probally slaves in NORTHERN AFRICA ( the regoin that now makes up Egypt ) many years ago. They where not pickin cotton, they where laying fucking bricks. And they got there asses whipped too. And I have to deal with racism every day. Where I live, I'm the minority. I get called a " honky" and a " Cracker" every time I go out for milk or Ciggerettes. There are many different countries and cultural backgrounds that make up the " white " people you refer to. I will not be held responsible for something that happened 250 years ago, the same way I am not responsible for anything my race does today. I make my own choices. If you or anyone has static with the way things are, then find the direct source. Don't just pick a scapegoat to blame. Please. Things are bad enough already. We are ALL part of this. Much Respect to everyone. Just trying to show that there's new barriers forming, and I don't want to be a White Male Rights activist 20 years down the line. Nathaniel Shreve ( Fig Newton ) "If I can't dance, then I don't want to be a part of your reveloution"- ? From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 21:06:04 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id VAA24706; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 21:06:04 -0800 Received: from home.interaccess.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA24701; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 21:06:02 -0800 Received: from [198.80.1.206] (nb-dyna106.interaccess.com [198.80.1.206]) by home.interaccess.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA02020 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 23:06:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199502250506.XAA02020@home.interaccess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 23:08:46 +0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: adamgold@interaccess.com (Adam Goldstein) Subject: 1200's-Definitly Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey gang- Well, I traded my Gemini's in for some 1200's today. YAY! it was worth it, but i'm gonna have to work a lot more hours this summer to pay it off...oh well Peace, Adam From mw-raves-owner Fri Feb 24 22:10:45 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id WAA27014; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 22:10:45 -0800 Received: from falcon.depaul.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA27005; Fri, 24 Feb 1995 22:10:42 -0800 Received: (goldbaum@localhost) by falcon.depaul.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id GAA26325 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 06:11:55 GMT From: Nate Goldbaum Message-Id: <199502250611.GAA26325@falcon.depaul.edu> Subject: Ride Needed Chicago2Heartland To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (MidWest Ravers!) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 95 0:11:55 CST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk The subject pretty much says it all folks. I haven't been to a *big* net- gathering for some time (Bambi's parties are great, but I need something more). I can tell Heartland is gonna have vibe you can swim in so if anyone's heading "back to Indiana" please let me in on it. I'd really like to leave a little late if possible (5pm?) but will blow off my Group Communications meeting if necessary. Please call me if you can do it -- 312.296.6985. Till then.... peaceout nate From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 25 01:00:18 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id BAA02948; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 01:00:18 -0800 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA02943; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 01:00:15 -0800 Received: by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id BAA15040; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 01:00:05 -0800 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 01:00:05 -0800 (PST) From: Leonard Helton Subject: Moment To: Midwest Raves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk 1) Props to Mike Dearborn for Moments.....anyone interested in the harder side of acid.....get it!!!!!!! Honestly I am not the biggest fan of Strictly Underground.....it is good....but Moments is fukkin amazing..... 2) Basic Channel is just all around a i~z$A# 3 From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 25 01:21:11 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id BAA03381; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 01:21:11 -0800 Received: from netcom7.netcom.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id BAA03376; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 01:21:08 -0800 Received: by netcom7.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id BAA16492; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 01:20:59 -0800 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 01:20:58 -0800 (PST) From: Leonard Helton Subject: Moment (Repost) To: Midwest Raves Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk 1) Props to Mike Dearborn for Moments.....anyone interested in the harder side of acid.....get it!!!!!!! Honestly I am not the biggest fan of Strictly Underground.....it is good....but Moments is fukkin amazing..... 2) Basic Channel is just all around a great label....some real nice acid house to harder acid...... I was just blown away by the new Dearborn track and had to share it with rest of ya'll......It ranks up there and beyond Bad acid....No Such Thing I had to share this with the whole group...it is well worth the $20 for the double import set..... Other choices for those visiting the record store..... Central and Cermak.....if you can find it still is Hyperactive at his finest....nice nice acid house tracks.....Unfortunately there is a skip right in the middle of S.O.S. on EVERY copy.....Just a reminder that shit happens..... Then there is the ever popular Winx track "Just Laugh"....Which it seems is so popular that one day i expect to hear on B96.....But it is just a killer track.... SOme old stuff..... The We Are Phuture record released way back in the day.....Some fine old old tracks.....All three tracks are just classsics.....released on TRAX records.....I just can't seem to live without 'em.... All the DJ funk releases....just by'em....they are sweet..... I figured I would try and give us something to talk about other than racism....and all the other negative feelings that seem to be flying around here.....Sometimes a response just isn't neccessary....We all know what is being said....Love everyone while you can.....Negative feelings are easy....Love is hard..... Later, styLEN p.s. I've been spinnin' for the last couple months.....and finally put together a demo tape of some acid house stuff....and I would absolutely love to spin for some small crowds out there....so if there are any opportunities out there let me know....I would just love to see a crowd groovin to a mix.....just to see the response.....welllllllllllll From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 25 06:30:31 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id GAA09975; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 06:30:31 -0800 Received: from relay3.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA09970; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 06:30:28 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyepu18890; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 09:30:31 -0500 Received: by iglou.iglou.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0riNUK-0001y7C; Sat, 25 Feb 95 09:28 EST Message-Id: From: ajc@iglou.com (Anthony Cosco) Subject: FUK To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 09:28:51 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 974 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Fuk was an absolutely KILLER party! I just dont know where to begin. The walls and ceiling of the main dance area were covered in black plastic, what a surprise;) Cosmic started out the night with a good set, lotsa variety and smooth mixing, way to go! Then terry mullan took the tables, as expected his set was really good, awesome tracks and really good mixing. i woulda liked to have seen some scratching, but oh well:) John Acquaviva totally fucked shit up. On to plastikman, there were some problems starting off but when he did, oh my god...it was the most brilliant/beautiful/mindblowing music i have EVER heard. I dont know how this guy does it. The vibe at FUK was very thick! I caught smiles from everyone i looked at. Losta netters there. The ambient room was nice. Good visuals and cool music Mass props to j2, cosmic, and the detroit crew. Hope to see everyone at heartland! -Anthony Cosco ajc@iglou.com FUK the acid give me the MUSIC!! From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 25 06:45:45 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id GAA10326; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 06:45:45 -0800 Received: from grfn.ORG by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id GAA10315; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 06:45:42 -0800 Received: from freenet.grfn.org by grfn.ORG (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1) id JAA15483; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 09:44:21 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 09:44:20 -0500 (EST) From: Ryan Hines To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Envelope tonight in Detroit! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey ppl.... =( kind of bummed about the current state of the list, but i'm attempting to put my "bummedness" aside. =) For all of you ppl going to Envelope tonight, well.....look for me there... i'm like 5'11"...dark hair(chin length all the way around)...as usual, i will have my mw-raves badge on (altho' it never seems to help...it's the pink and blue one)....i will be wearing either a green (metallic =) shirt that says "Detroit Police Basketball Tournament" or a cheezy Vision Street Wear shirt circa 1988 (depending on how hot it is) dickies pants...bloo airwalks....the usual... i'll have a friend with me but i dunno what she'll be wearing....she has orange hair, just past her shoulders. i dunno if i'll be able to get back on line b4 tonight to check, but in case i can, mail/post if you are going to be there....i want to meet y'all =) jennie-fur? Matt? see you in tha' motor city.... ryan. tr909@grfn.org Channel ** tr909/Detroit From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 25 08:55:30 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id IAA13126; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 08:55:30 -0800 Received: from falcon.depaul.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA13121; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 08:55:27 -0800 Received: (goldbaum@localhost) by falcon.depaul.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id QAA01236 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 16:56:38 GMT From: Nate Goldbaum Message-Id: <199502251656.QAA01236@falcon.depaul.edu> Subject: re: Ride Needed Chicago2Heartland To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (MidWest Ravers!) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 95 10:56:37 CST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Correction. I can leave anytime today. I hope someone reads this before they leave (pleaseplease). Guess I kinda screwed up waitin so long to post. How was FUK Kentucky? How was Masters at Work last night in Chicago? Please take me to Indy! Oodles o' Lovin' nate From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 25 14:46:10 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA26069; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 14:46:10 -0800 Received: from UICVM.UIC.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA26063; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 14:46:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199502252246.OAA26063@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU by UICVM.UIC.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4417; Sat, 25 Feb 95 16:45:53 CST Received: from UICVM (NJE origin U37460@UICVM) by UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2858; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 16:45:53 -0600 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 95 16:35:17 CST From: Ethan Subject: Re: Moment (Repost) To: Leonard Helton , mw-raves@HYPERREAL.COM In-Reply-To: Your message of Sat, 25 Feb 1995 01:20:58 -0800 (PST) Sender: mw-raves-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk On Sat, 25 Feb 1995 01:20:58 -0800 (PST) you said: > > >1) Props to Mike Dearborn for Moments.....anyone interested in the harder >side of acid.....get it!!!!!!! > >Honestly I am not the biggest fan of Strictly Underground.....it is >good....but Moments is fukkin amazing..... I was going to post something along the same lines... I picked up Moments Friday at Grammaphone and I love almost every track on it... Great work Mike... My three favorites: Sweep the Floor, argh- the tune remixed by Hardfloor and Moments. > >I was just blown away by the new Dearborn track and had to share it with >rest of ya'll......It ranks up there and beyond Bad acid....No Such Thing >I had to share this with the whole group...it is well worth the $20 for >the double import set..... Not sure where you are but Grammaphone had it for $16... >Then there is the ever popular Winx track "Just Laugh"....Which it seems >is so popular that one day i expect to hear on B96.....But it is just a >killer track.... Picked it up a week or two ago and didn't really like it at first but after listening to it 2 or 3 more times it is growing on me... kinda a slow buildup great for mixing... Also picked up The Centurions EP... pretty good acid stomper but I don't care much for the B-side... also picked up Prana "Deep"(or Dream?) on Tribal.. the B-side is kindof a mellow trancey mix which I like alot... ideal early morning track IMHO... Laters, Ethan From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 25 14:57:02 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA26595; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 14:57:02 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA26586; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 14:56:59 -0800 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (beatpunk@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.8) with ESMTP id QAA11200 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 16:57:00 -0600 Received: (beatpunk@localhost) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.8) id QAA32561 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 16:56:58 -0600 From: beatpunk Message-Id: <199502252256.QAA32561@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: Second coming review To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 16:56:58 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199502242145.NAA00490@taz.hyperreal.com> from "owner-mw-raves-digest@hyperreal.com" at Feb 24, 95 01:45:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2343 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk After an abortive attempt at reaching Louisville for the FUK date down there, we figured we'd better turn back when we just started rolling into chicago at 7 pm. So we went to Second Coming instead. Space was OK, a good kind of OK, looked to me like it was some kind of large universit y building we were in the basement of, or something like that. Maybe even a frat house. Music was cool, seemed to be quite a vibe there, especially considering What Happened Next. Two people (and this entire account is purely third-hand info, so...), at least one of whom was drunk and tripping, fell off a second floor balcony. An ambulence was called, the vibe was KILLED. The cops came, waved their flashlights around, and left. A few hours later, the vibe was back (not to the extent of before, but any kind of positive vibrations at a party whjere someone fell off a balcony is a miracle to me). Companions Jon Sin Massive and Joe Leprachaun seemed to enjoy temselves as well. Met people, had fun, two thumbs up for this small and humble yet unexpectedly ass-kickin' party. Which reminds me - does anybody know why the Madison scene is generally regarded as being dead? The last two parties I attended there were really cool (even if I was too fucked up to enjoy one of them), cops seem a lot friendlier than in BeerCity here. I'm seriously looking for an answer here - what happened to Madison? Anyway, 'nuff said for today... ----------------------------beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu------------------------------ . . . Just remember whatcha gonna hear . . . If you think bad thoughts ... .. ... .... ... . . . . . . You'll get the fear! . . . . . . . . . . . .. . .. . . .... . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . ... . . . . . . . . ... ... ... . . . ... . . . . . . . . . .. .. . . . . . . . .. ... . . . . .. . ... .. . .. . . . . .... . . . . . . . . . .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . ... .. . . . . . . .. ... From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 25 16:47:18 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id QAA02067; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 16:47:18 -0800 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id QAA02060; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 16:47:15 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyerj17474; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 19:47:14 -0500 Received: from abennett by iglou.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0riX7E-0001ySC; Sat, 25 Feb 95 19:45 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: abennett@iglou.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 19:46:51 -0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) Subject: FUK review Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk OOOOoooOooOoOOoOOOOoOoOooooOoo! I had a good time. Held in New Albany Indiana, which is like having a party in Florence Kentucky and calling it Cincinnati. But that's been done before, so I'll drop it. :) Grand Theater in New Albany. Weird site, but it was set up to go. We arrived near midnight, scrambled through the door, paid our moola to Tim Ramsey, got our id bracelets, and walked in. The main room had black plastic along the ceiling and walls of the main room a la the original Spastik event Aug-13-94. And that event rocked, so... Up the stairs the ambient room had the oil wheels reminiscent from the Spastik event as well. Things were looking right on target. Cosmic was spinning in the main room when we arrived. Good stuff. Terry Mullan took over next, and dropped some great electro in his set early on. I missed the transition to John Acquaviva, but John kept it going right until the live Plastikman set. During John's set, I noticed that the front right speaker setup was fading out for a second or so. Like a loose connection. When Richie started to play, he obviously had some technical difficulties with some of his gear, and John had to come in with a quick track on two occasions while Richie + crew figured out what was going wrong. I assume they got it worked out, and Richie went on and did a nice set. I thought I heard 2 new tracks as well. Woo! After the performance John picked up the tables again, and after a couple tracks, Richie came on and spun. Matthew Hawtin's ambient room was packed upstairs. I went up in the middle of the night, didn't see any place to sit, so I turned around and went back downstairs. Hmmm. What was the deal with the guy giving out plastic spoons? He had like hundreds of them? Special thanks to: Anyone involved with this event, esp JJ, Cosmic, Tim, IntelliNET, etc Kim for the gum Kris for the backrub Katerina for company on the ride down and back, and Mike Butler for part of the way back McDonalds - for food and drink Saturn Corp - for the fine automobile I've got My body clock is all fubar now. I feel like it's Sunday nite, and I should be getting psyched for work. That, and I'm about 6 hours clock time behind... Andrew -- This email is (c) 1995, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com http://taz.hyperreal.com/~abennett/ From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 25 17:13:39 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id RAA03253; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 17:13:39 -0800 Received: from oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA03245; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 17:13:36 -0800 Received: (from ckozup@localhost) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6) id UAA10488 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 20:13:36 -0500 From: "Chris C. Kozup" Message-Id: <199502260113.UAA10488@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: FUKKED UP! To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (mw-raves) Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 20:13:35 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2226 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk WOOOOOOOOOOOWWWW!! I have to agree with Andrew, that FUK was FUKKING RAD!!! I really did have such a great time. I won't go into much detail, because you all have already heard about the set up and stuff. This was my first Kentucky party, and I came away with mixed feelings. For one, At the start of the party when Terry Mullan and John Aquaviva were spinning, it seemed to me that people could be just downright rude. I dunno, I was pushed about and stepped on several times without anyone even saying sorry. This negativity (from what I saw) only lasted for a little while, and this seemed to be due solely to the fact that there wasn't enough room to dance! The space just seemed a tad too small... Oh, and the carpet didn't help! HOWEVER, this party still kicked my ass! The speakers were awesome --PURE BASS entering into my body. The MUSIK was what really made this event!!! All four DJs kept me dancing the WHOLE night! It was awesome.... in fact now I feel kinda sad because it is over.. :( All I have to say is Richie Hawtin really knows his shit! I hoep that all of you guys had fun in Heartland I wish I could be there too, but I don't have much cash left! :( It was great to see everyone again... Becky, her bro Chris (his 1st party), Adrock (Happy B-day), Eric/ Hobbes, Jonny Quest, Andrew (finally talked to ya!)... and everyone that was there who either smiled at me, talked to me or danced next to me.... You ALL are very special to me!!!!! Okay, I guess that's enough! Well done J2, Cosmic, AND RICHIE HAWTIN!! Lator Gators........................chRis -- *<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<< Chris Kozup ckozup@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu >>>> >>>> ************** Ohio University- Athens, Ohio 45701 ************** <<<< <<<< >>>> >>>> "Everybody Dance.. Clap your hands.. Clap your hands.." -CHIC <<<< <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<* From mw-raves-owner Sat Feb 25 19:33:39 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id TAA08909; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 19:33:39 -0800 Received: from landshark.cps.msu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA08902; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 19:33:35 -0800 Received: by landshark.cps.msu.edu (8.6.9/MSU-2.10) id WAA14594; Sat, 25 Feb 1995 22:33:34 -0500 Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 22:33:31 -0500 (EST) From: Kaytee Gorell To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: swiftly tilting planet! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey kids... I think this party was already on the calendar, but there is a change.. along with the djs that matt macqueen listed, action jackson will also be bringing some house grooves to your ears...so get *stoked* (sorry to be all silly, but I'm getting *excited* ;) ***this will be at an _actual warehouse-*** ;) see y'all there... the2600machine! (kaytee) From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 26 10:03:21 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id KAA01743; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 10:03:21 -0800 Received: from bos1g.delphi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA01738; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 10:03:18 -0800 From: AXION@delphi.com Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-9 #7804) id <01HNI8DQEM80935NCF@delphi.com>; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 13:03:15 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 13:03:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: i'm FUK'ed To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HNI8DQEM82935NCF@delphi.com> X-VMS-To: INTERNET"mw-raves@hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk as i helped tear down that balck vinyl at FUK last night, i realized, that i too, was a plastic-man... ;) -=+AxIoN=+= From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 26 11:35:14 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA05709; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 11:35:14 -0800 Received: from nccseq.noctrl.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA05703; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 11:35:12 -0800 Received: by nccseq.noctrl.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0riokN-0007nVC; Sun, 26 Feb 95 13:35 CST Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 13:35:14 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Virgilio Reply-To: Mike Virgilio Subject: Heartland To: Posting Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well all I have to say is that I had a GREAT time at Heartland.... I met all the people I was supposed to and had a lot of fun. Everyone was soo nice. I thought the lighting was pretty good but I would have like to seen some lasers. I thought the music was awesome... all the DJs rocked the house! ohh yeah I have to add the bathrooms were pretty clean and had toilet paper.. :) I just want to thank Doc and all the other ppl that help set this up. Well it's time to get some sleep.. l8r all *hug* c-ya on vrave Mike (Spitfire) From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 26 11:37:42 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA05877; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 11:37:42 -0800 Received: from umr.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA05872; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 11:37:40 -0800 Received: from [131.151.253.66] (umrolla4-slip14.cc.umr.edu [131.151.253.66]) via SMTP by hermes.cc.umr.edu (8.6.9/E.3.07) id NAA15152; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 13:37:36 -0600 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 13:37:36 -0600 X-Sender: rkumar@umr.edu (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: rkumar@umr.edu (roger kumar) Subject: need used turntables and mixer Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hello all. had a corner open up in my house and i was thinking, 'wow, i could drop in a couple or turntables and spin here without going up to the station'. so i was wondering if anyone had a couple technics sl1200's and a mixer with eq to get rid of. will pay decent. just wanted to ask on the list before i hit the shops or rec.music.marketplace, thanks! From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 26 12:56:36 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA10045; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 12:56:36 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA10038; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 12:56:34 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502262056.MAA10038@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Heartland Reveew (fwd) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 12:56:34 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3448 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** Message forwarded from Andrew. Please check your email headers if you ** respond and don't send stuff to me. From: oboyle@staff.cc.purdue.edu (Todd Oboyle) Subject: Heartland Reveew To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 26 Feb 95 14:17:09 EST hello and greetings to all... wow...is what i have to say...WOW.. here is the night..... First, for all of the Lafayette and Northern people, Jen Hill's apartment was the main meeting grounds...we sat around for a while...then Sho, Amy(butterfly), becca malow and eric(hobbes) showed up with Jess and Cosmic right on their tail...so food was on call..we went to eat, then off to the show.... we loaded in to the BIG BROWN VAN and off we were to indy...well, after our little gas station excursion...:D ok...so after an hour of driving..we finally arrive...but we beat the rest of the caraven, due to Jen's having to use the lavatory...;) So we get there....whoa...what a space...it is an old grocery store turned bingo parlor...! Soooo...after we payed $8 to get in (tanks for the discount), which first off made me happy...then the net.heds began to pop out of nowhere...first Becky, Jen (deadbeat), and all of the rest of the cincy kru...I began to handout my Heartland goodies..YAY! I ended up getting them all out by the end of the evening, but what a disaster, it took forever, but I hope I made some peoples happy!..:) ok..djs..I really didnt hear the first DJ much..but I know cyberjive got up there and kicked some good grooooves..I enjoyed his set very much..then sho, who NEVER fails to get the crowd in the mood, good deed, sho! I didnt catch much of Britt's set due t o my abcessed toe..:(..but I did get up there and see Wink for a while before leaving...YEAH!..is all I can say for wink..I do recommend seeing him...it is divine.. as for the general party..you needed a chainsaw to cut the vibe (maybe it will rub off on those bingo players..hehe) but this was a blast..I dont think I have had that much fun since Xanadu..the sound was rumbling and incredible, like I like it..good lig hting..no overkill on the strobe..it was great in general!! the net was in effect, though...it was sooo rad to see ellen, madison, and them milwaukee types there, Jess, Cosmic, Becca, Amy, Jiriki, Izzy, Elmosteph, Chuck, me, SKIMMY!, hobbes, sunshine, Jen Hill, Spitfire, Fractal, Canary, Superscream, pat hall, Sha wn Devries and Shannon (HI shannon!!), Devin, Crisko, Krisg, Nitro, Nate, and I GOT TO MEET THE MOUSE HERSELF!! YAAAAAYY!!!! Sorry if I missed you...:) If you decided not to go...bad move..this was a good party..good deed out to: DOC Dionysis Sound O' Mighty (boomin stuff) all who helped in the party and Chris Davis for the use of the big brown van! You all did a good job...I am glad there were no big problems and it all went through, even though I didnt go to the afterhours..:| I really hope you all had a good time because I know I did!..:) have a very nice day! -toddo -- 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 -----------> toddo@expert.cc.purdue.edu --------------------------> toddo@arbornet.org ---------------------> Todd O'Boyle --------> Purdue University ----------------------------------------> Pre-Communications 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 http://expert.cc.purdue.edu/~toddo/ From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 26 13:01:56 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA10371; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 13:01:56 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA10364; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 13:01:53 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199502262101.NAA10364@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Mind Blowing Weekend... (fwd) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 13:01:53 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 5748 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** Another forward from Andrew. Don't reply to me. From: THOMASRA@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 08:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Mind Blowing Weekend... To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Hi there guys! This is Becky from Cincinnati!!! =) Even tho I'm not yet on the mw-raves mailing list (which I WILL be on in a matter of time) I felt the need to write all of you and just let you know how much this weekend affected my life..... Where can i really start? I'd been anticipating this weekend for about a month or so now, and never did I think that it would turn out the way it did... I've been told nby a number of people that it reminded them of IO teh way it went.. I didn't go to IO, so I guess I can only imagine.... I guess I'll start from the beginning to let you in on what exactly happened to me.... Friday nite, we leave Oxford, Ohio to come here.. (jen palmer and i) we then gather up my little brother Chris and our backpacks, pick up anthony and mike and head off to Louisville for FUK. It was a little crowded in my little escort to say the least... We got to the site at about 8:30 or so and did our best to help JJ set up, and not get in the way too much.. =) Then the music started...........All i can really say is incredible.... It belw my mind. Jim started the whole she-bang off, and got the crowd going.... I danced my little heart off to him, then I went up into the ambient room and fell asleep to the beautiful sounds of Matthew Hawtin spinning his ambient.... Lucky for me Katerina woke me up as soon as Richie started his set.... I found the speakers up front and didn't move an inch from them the whole time he played live.... Richie's music has always been able to move me in ways that others can't, and what he did to me on Friday nite was astounding....I was lost in the music, happy and dancing to my heart's content. I never wanted him to stop. I was almost to that certain state of euphoria that one can feel while on a drug, only, my only drug was Plastikman that nite... I can say that I was a little disappointed to have not heard Jak Your Body, but I can live.... My mind was just blown.. Meanwhile, my little brother was there, at his very first party dacning his little bootie off to Plastikman too. I want to say thank you to everyone while I'm thinking about it.. Thanks for letting my littel 14 year old brother's first party experience turn into the best weekend of his life.. We can expect that once he gets older and mom and dad let him he'll turn into a raving lunatic.. heehee (just like his big sister=) ) Then my next mind blowing thing was that I FINALLY got to meet Bradj and totally by surprise.. He said he wasn't coming!!! heehee I got to meet a few of my favorite net people this weekend, and we hada great time!! =) Saturday morning was not all that great tho.. A BIG huge letdown after the awesomeness of the nite.. I managed to geta $95 speeding ticket on the way home.. i got clocked at 85 in a 65, and when I finally saw the cop, I was umm doing 98..... *blush* My very first moving violation....=} I do believe that Sat nite is now one of my favorite nites, and one of my most unfavorite nites at the same time... I was very very very upset on the way to Heartland, because i had heard some tragic news. I had only heard that three people had died on the way home from FUK. I didn't know who it was, and I was worried that it could have been any of you.... I really wasn't sure if I was ready for this party or not.... When I got to the site, and HEather told me who, I was pretty devastated to hear it was someone that I had met, but I wasn't very close to him... It's always very hard to know that someone you knew has died......Not to try to brush things off as lightly, we did however manage to make the best of things, and tried to have funwhile still managing to keep those three in our thoughts all nite.... I can say that I am very glad I was able to go because to me it was like a last chance to see everyone in the same place for a while.... It was almost a mix of Attraction (Athens, ohio jan) and Encounter (dayton, ohio dec) in one place...... I was especially glad to be able to hear one of my favorite dj's, SHO (and it's not biased, I LOVE his stuff!!). Show, like richie hawtin, has always possessed the power to just move me , and let me totally absorb myself in the music.. I think that I preferred the music on friday to sat (with the exception of Sho and Cyberjive),but I really enjoyed myself more with the people on sat... That really meant a lot to me too, because many of you I won't be seeing again until next school year. I'm not planning on going anywhere (party wise) again until Mantra on April 1st in Columbus.. And the only because it's the weekend of my 19th birthday.... *hint hint* (I think that everyone should go.. it'd make a great b-day present) *nudge nudge* It was just awesome to be able to spend some time with people that I hadn't seen in a couple of months, and never got to talk to the first time we met (Toddo) and to be able to see some of the people I won't be seeing again for a long long time (craig and the drop bass crew, mike, mark, jim(fractal),bradj, chris, jimbob and krisg). I love you guys and I already miss you. As I sit here listening to my Richie Hawtin tpae, I am just feeling kinda down.. It was one of the best weekends of my enitre life, and I have everyone to thank for it.... You all really really mean the world to me!! I love you!!! I guess as I sit here now, all I ahve left to say is see ya on the net, and at mantra???? I love you guys!! *extra extra BIG hugs-n-smooches* -Becky/energizer snugglebunny =) From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 26 14:16:06 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA14633; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 14:16:06 -0800 Received: from ns-mx.uiowa.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14626; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 14:16:02 -0800 Received: from blue.weeg.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (8.6.8.2/19950217.1) on Sun, 26 Feb 1995 16:15:58 -0600 id QAA19976 with ESMTP Received: by blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.6.10/940408) on Sun, 26 Feb 1995 16:15:47 -0600 id QAA175350 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 16:15:44 -0600 (CST) From: "A. Calabrese" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: FUKKED in the HEART. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk OHHHHHH boy what a time. All I got to say is that Philly connection kicks TALL ass!. Tigger you missed a great one. Those walls of sound took me to a new dimension. And to top it all off the FUK kru came up and spun at the after hours. Hawtin kicks ASSSSSSS!! I loved seeing all the netters-net ravers ARE rad.!! Ed Luna great meeting you. Now Im off to iowa to peacefully enjoy some slumber. See ya all at FUK in Milwacky. TOOOOTLES crisko From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 26 14:17:52 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA14748; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 14:17:52 -0800 Received: from MAPLE.ucs.uwplatt.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA14740; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 14:17:47 -0800 From: HOEL@uwplatt.edu Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #4908) id <01HNIEFP9YLC95MOM7@uwplatt.edu>; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 16:16:58 CST Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 16:16:57 -0600 (CST) Subject: Second Coming To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HNIEFPB16A95MOM7@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: MWRAVES MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well I thought that I too would give a review of Second Coming in Madison... Well my friends and I got there a little early and there were just not ready to let people in, so we all had to chill outside a bit... There was some dj spinning some raggae and some rap (Ice T's Colors, oh yeah) inside while we were waiting, so it wasn't a bad wait. When we were allowed to enter, we paid out 6 bucks and proceeded immediately to the second floor of the place. The place did seem to be some house, I'm not sure if it was a fraternity house, but it was some sort of college students pad... It was actually kind of nice. The first floor was cleared pretty good and was a nice dance place, as was the second floor. Oh if any of you went to Suck, some guy told me that it was held at the same house. Anyway, the second floor was rockin to some nifty acid and we proceeded to dance as soon as we got up there... The guy progressed into some nifty house, and played some familiar tracks that got my ass a pumping on the dance floor. Well than some guy (who I think was the guy who was throwing the party, or at least the guy who asked us to wait outside) came on and spun some hard trance... The tracks were slammin, but his mixing ability wasn't very.... um... up to par, but hey that's cool. During a break in a song, I thought I heard some jungle, so I went down stairs to investigate. I was right, this guy was playing some wikkid jungle and he just blew my mind... His mixing were really read... He did a lot of cross fads and stuff and he totally added to the songs... He just drove me crazy with energy... I loved it... His name was Wickett, and many props to this fella.... He rocked all ass, and talking to a few people, they all agreed with me... Well during Wickett's set is when the whole thing about the girl falling off the balcony, everyone was like freaking and running for their coats... We were assured everything was going to be cool, so we stayed on and continued to dance our asses off to jungle... After Wickett's set we went upstairs and I guess some guy called Kee was spinning, he laid down some real fine tracks... During Kee's set we were getting a little antsy for either Hyperactive or Mindrive... We had to leave early cuz my friends had to leave to somewhere at 7 sat morn so we wanted a little of what we came for... Well Hyperactive came on and he performed an awesoome PA. I was really impressed... It was all acid with a pounding 909... I really enjoyed it. But unfortunetly during his set we had to leave... The thing I liked most about this party was that there were mostly obscure djs spinning... It was totally worth the money I spent and didn't feel a ting of regret for the money spent. I want to give another big respect out to Wickett, he blew my mind... thanks. Madison is a rad town to party in... How many other cities would let a party continue after some girl fell off a balcony (actually I'm not sure if that is right, but that's for debate.) Ryan WH :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> ;> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> "We should not be ashamed to acknowledge truth from whatever source it comes to us, even if it is brought to us by former generations and foreign peoples. For him who seeks the truth there is nothing higher value than the truth itself." al-Kindi (c.801-66) Ryan Wesley Hoel HOEL@uwplatt.edu :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 26 17:42:21 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id RAA25001; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 17:42:21 -0800 Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA24996; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 17:42:18 -0800 From: AUSAR@SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU Message-Id: <199502270142.RAA24996@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU by SIUCVMB.SIU.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0992; Sun, 26 Feb 95 19:40:48 CST Date: Sun, 26 Feb 95 19:16:03 CST To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Back from Mardi Gras.... Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I wanted to say that I have no apologies or regrets for I have yet to be encounterd by anybody (with the notable exception of Miles) who can truly address the issues that was posted. And I don't plan to leave this list because of certain people who don't wish to hear real issues regarding the scene but to hype up some raves and some 12" records I've never heard or will never hear outside of this mailing list. I at least respect Kurt for pressing the issues.. The issue was straightfoward and direct; terms such as "wardance" and "jungle" which is more of a mockery than appreciation for the cultural background. But everybody wanted to shift the issue by calling Zheam a racist for even addressi ng up the issue. Zheam Ismail have never praticed or profited off of racism, a claim which some of you cannot make. So before any of you ever call me a racist again, check out your own backyard.... I appreciate music for it's total form and cultural background. And I don't make comments or state anything unless I carefully look at all sides of the issue. And I tell it like I see it. And if you can't deal with that, that's your problem...... Going nowhere soon, Zheam ibn Ismail PS: and you can always check out my .au files at the hyperreal site if you just think I'm just talk a lot of garbage.........:) From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 26 17:58:42 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id RAA26146; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 17:58:42 -0800 Received: from relay2.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id RAA26129; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 17:58:36 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay2.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyevf05665; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 20:58:37 -0500 Received: from abennett by iglou.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0riuhW-0001zIC; Sun, 26 Feb 95 20:56 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: abennett@iglou.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 20:57:52 -0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) Subject: Re: Back from Mardi Gras.... Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk AUSAR@SUICVMB.SIU.EDU says: >I wanted to say that I have no apologies or regrets for I have yet to be >encounterd by anybody (with the notable exception of Miles) who can truly >address the issues that was posted. And I don't plan to leave this list because >of certain people who don't wish to hear real issues regarding the scene but to >hype up some raves and some 12" records I've never heard or will never hear >outside of this mailing list. I at least respect Kurt for pressing the issues.. The real issue was that a majority of the list members, myself included, thought the bickering back and forth was the most useless drivel that had ever appeared on this list. 90% of the email involved had nothing to do with raving, and was out of scope of this list. If you saw the numbers of people who dropped off the list last week as a result of the inane traffic, you'd be surprised. About 20 people left, which equates to roughly 10% of the normal un-digested list membership. Certainly topics can stray. I'm not the thought police. But there is a time and a threshold for everything, and in that case, it was LONG past. Other lists and usenet groups would have been much more appropriate grounds, but not this one. Drop it, move on. Thank you. Andrew -- This email is (c) 1995, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com http://taz.hyperreal.com/~abennett/ From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 26 19:08:25 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id TAA00552; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 19:08:25 -0800 Received: from po.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA00535; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 19:08:18 -0800 Received: from purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu [137.112.3.11]) by po.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA04676 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:08:06 -0500 From: "William K. Baran" Received: (baranwk@localhost) by purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA00792 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:08:05 -0500 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:08:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199502270308.WAA00792@purple.nextwork.rose-hulman.edu> To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Heartland review... Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I don't know, but I don't think i was as the same rave you guys were. I generally had a good time. Maybe things were just ruined with your car problems. On the way there and on the way back we had to stop oevery ten minutes to recharge the battery. And 40 mins. from home the car died. We had to walk a mile and a half to the next exit. As for heartland itself, ehh.. There was some vibe there, but i think there was a little too much room. From 12:30-2 the tunes were great, but after that i think things went down hill. Atleast whoever was djin' just wasn't movin' me i guess. I thought the bass sounded somewhat muffled as well. It was nice to have bathrooms and water, and decent spots for tables. But the time just didn't seem worth $10 and all the trouble we had to put up with with the car. Maybe just not a good day.. Sirkut From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 26 21:36:43 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id VAA07722; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 21:36:43 -0800 Received: from mik.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id VAA07716; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 21:36:40 -0800 Received: from nx26.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA22345; Mon, 27 Feb 95 00:36:39 -0500 From: kimberly j smock Message-Id: <9502270536.AA22345@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx26.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA06541; Mon, 27 Feb 95 00:34:52 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 00:34:52 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Cc: kjsmoc00@mik.uky.edu Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hmmmmmmmmmmm......... went to see Timmy today in Louisville........ if possible donate blood in his name and send it to: University of Louisville (Timmy Montgomery/Sebree) Burn Unit #5 530 Jackson Street Louisville, KY *Any blood type accepted...if it isn't his type it will be exchanged for another pint. From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 26 23:07:43 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id XAA11794; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 23:07:43 -0800 Received: from student5.cl.msu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA11788; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 23:07:40 -0800 Received: from [35.8.189.73] by student5.cl.msu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/MSU-2.10) id AA11411; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 02:02:35 -0500 Message-Id: <9502270702.AA11411@student5.cl.msu.edu> X-Sender: macqueen@student5.msu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 02:07:28 -0500 To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: macqueen@student.msu.edu (Matt MacQueen) Subject: Detroit News+Free Press: "Rave Crave"! Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I'm surprised nobody has posted about this yet... well, apparently someone let a Detroit News/Free Press reporter into PULSE on Saturday, and the result is a huge front-page article, Sunday Feb. 26th. It's totally hilarious! It's so funny... Even 2 huge pictures of many _ravers_ caught in the act of "Raving"[TM]. Even a close-up photo of a "pass worn around the neck to identify party staff." I was wondering if any net.ravers were in any of the "action shot" photos. Did I stress the word: _RAVE!_ ;) ha ha .... I'm too tired to type this whole thing in, but here are some funny highlights [all direct quotes, of course]: _RAVE_CRAVE_ "Secret, Illegal after-hours parties continue moving through Detroit, filling heads with techno music and often drugs." "Music from 10 foot tall speakers so loud, the bass so deep, dancers feel it slam their clothes." "At midnight Saturdays, a couple of thousand Metro Detroiters, ages 15 to 50, find what parents can't imagine and Police almost cannot stop: _rave_ parties." [here, the reporter tries to get a feel for the average mentality]: "Said Steve Suun, 23, 'Girls dancing all around you, kick-ass music - it's the whole aura of it.'" "Dozens, some as young as 15, are an undulating mass on the floor, in the thrall of a drug called Ecstacy. Some walk around, begging to be touched; one of Ecstasy's reputed effects is heightened sense of touch. A 15 year old girl moves through, giving free massages. Her usual job is as a nude masseuse." "'Without these parties my life would be pointless," said Stephanie Kay, 17...." [on the more serious tip]: "Deputy Detroit police chief Benny Napoleon said rave parties arn't so difficult to find as their organizers like to think. 'It's the easiest thing in the world,' he said. The parties cause 'lots of concern' in the neighborhoods. He said Detroit formed a task force last week aimed at shutting down illegal after-hours parties. 'We've been doing raids on them the past month or so,' he said." [this article goes on forever, but the last line is pretty funny]: "'Kay,' who said she comes for the music, says parents in the sex-drugs-and-rock'n'roll generation are reaping what they sowed." "'It's like all the parents from the 60's used to smoke pot and have sex,' she said. 'And now their kids are doing it.'" [on that note... have a good week everyone, peaceout.] :) _______________________________________________________________________ Matt MacQueen No UFO's. Hypermedia & WWW Development Communication Technology Laboratory, Michigan State Univeristy _______________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Sun Feb 26 23:52:15 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id XAA12975; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 23:52:15 -0800 Received: from orion.it.luc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id XAA12969; Sun, 26 Feb 1995 23:52:13 -0800 Received: by orion.it.luc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29420; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 01:52:13 -0600 From: vshuman@orion.it.luc.edu (Valery M. Shuman) Message-Id: <9502270752.AA29420@orion.it.luc.edu> Subject: Masters At Work To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 01:52:12 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL17] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2835 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Well, since noone else from the net seems to have attended this party, I thought it was worth posting about. On Friday, February 24th, in Chicago Heights, I attended a party called Masters At Work. I had been to this space before for a very undesirable party with lots of gang bangers, an intensely negative vibe, and on top of all that, it was FREEZING. Anyway, this party was only 10 bucks(hey, it's cheap compared to the Chicago norm of 13-16 nowadays). Upon entrance, I had to endure the unfortunate experience of a fatass, middle-aged, disgusting security guard taking his time groping my ass while "searching" me. Since this event was illegal, they didn't have to worry about having female security guards to search the girls. OH well, I endured. Fierce was spinning as I entered the main room of this massive warehouse. GOD I love his shit! He never fails to get me going, what a talented guy. It was really really dark and the warehouse was filled with smoke, the kind that gives you black boogers when you get home *YUCK*. The only lights were on top of the speakers and they were simple, but I like that. After Fierce, EFEX came on and spun a slammin set. He even spun Age of Love and the next track of Miles's Bliss tape(I heard he begged the second track of MIles). Everyone was going craaaaaaazy. The vibe was SO thick. We were all getting into it together and we could barely see each other. AHHHHH! I don't know if it was still EFEX or if Traxx had already come on but they spun that Bucketheads song that is a remake of that disco track(sounds like bowr bowr bowr bowr ba ba ba ba baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa da dun di daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa) If that makes any sense. Anyway, it's like my favorite track. And obviously a lot of other people's too. EVERYONE was dancing and going NUTS, I was so excited and happy!:) This is the best I've felt at a Chicago party in a LONG time. I think the promoters should take a hint and throw more underground, smaller parties, with less frills. The basics are a plenty if you have good dj's, good sound, and a good vibe. I wish some of you could have been there to experience this party, were any of you? If so, did you feel the same way? well, I hope to see more events like this, I don't even think that everyone was messed up on anything serious. I think that is really special when I see everyone get into shit that much without substances like E. Not to dis those who do, I just like to see the vibe carried over into sober life. To any and all who were there, Peace. I hope to experience a party like that with anyone from the list sometime. Maybe at Revelation this weekend, I have a really good feeling about it. Friday night, I'll be there!:) Hope to meet some of you. *WE ARE THE PHUTURE* Meowmix(Valery) From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 09:21:46 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA03792; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:21:46 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA03784; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:21:43 -0800 Received: from AC.GRIN.EDU by AC.GRIN.EDU (PMDF V4.3-9 #9943) id <01HNJJ0FR2CW8Y5T5H@AC.GRIN.EDU>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:16:59 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:16:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) Subject: back to records To: MW-RAVES@HYPERREAL.COM Message-id: <01HNJJ0FR2CY8Y5T5H@AC.GRIN.EDU> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@HYPERREAL.COM Precedence: bulk I'm looking for a few rekkids..I was wondering if anyone can help me (they are REALLY old) 1) ROn Trent...Altered States 2) Happy Mondays....Loose Fit (or any other vinyl) 3) water from a vineleaf....William Orbit 4) Erotica...Madoona and finally 5) Deeper Love...Ultra Nate' or Aretha Franklin any and all help would be appreciated...reply privately..maybe this will open a more rekkid based conversatin and get away from our current circularly defeating conversation on social ills...thanks! TIgger From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 10:07:58 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id KAA06805; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:07:58 -0800 Received: from mik.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA06796; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:07:53 -0800 Received: from nx55.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA05555; Mon, 27 Feb 95 13:07:52 -0500 From: jerry marvin haws Message-Id: <9502271807.AA05555@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx55.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA11172; Mon, 27 Feb 95 13:06:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 13:06:32 -0500 To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: FUK post accident. Important. Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hi, this is JJ. I don't know if the net has heard this yet, so I'll go ahead and give out details. I'm only on digest, so I don't know what's been said. After the party in New Albany, a driver fell asleep at the wheel and 4 four people were killed. The driver is still in critical condition today. The kids were: Kevin Prenatt, Jennie Stovall, and Ross and Chris from Dunbar, a local higgh school. It was Chris' 16th birthday. The driver was Tim Sabree, who everyone here knew as Timmy Montgomery. These were all really, really good people. Great people. Everyone in the car was straight-edge. I don't really know what to say or do. All of these people helped out throwing the party. This is a total slap in the face for everyone here. Be careful. More later, I guess... From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 10:47:50 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id KAA09537; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:47:50 -0800 Received: from babbage.ece.uc.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA09527; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:47:46 -0800 Received: from ddt.eng.uc.edu (ddt.eng.uc.edu [129.137.189.200]) by babbage.ece.uc.edu (8.6.10/8.6.9) with ESMTP id NAA20166 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:47:44 -0500 Received: from curly7.occ.uc.edu (curly7.occ.uc.edu [129.137.40.67]) by ddt.eng.uc.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA13713 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:47:44 -0500 Received: by curly7.occ.uc.edu (5.0/Spike-2.0) id AA08543; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:47:42 +0500 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:47:41 -0500 (EST) From: bradley w rolf To: mw-raves Subject: THANK YOU ALL SO MUCH!!!!! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1734 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hello everyone. This letter is a thank you to all the people who I saw, and all the people I met at FUK in kentucky (well actualy indiana). As many of you knew it was my birthday on fri., and it was by the far the best birthday I can remember having. What could be possibly better than being with all of my freinds, and listening to some of the best music in the world ( atleast to my ears). It was so nice to have people that I had never met before come up and wish me a happy birthday and give me a big hug. I met quit a few net ravers and other nice poeple, all of which seemed to be smiling and having a blast. I would like to list all the names of the people that i would love to say thanks in person to but the list would be too long and I fear that I would accidently forget someone. Oh god I love each and every one of you, even if I not met all of you yet, or even if I never do, I hope that you all can have atleast one day a year that you enjoy yourselves, feel so loved, and have such a blast, as I did friday night. The party was super. Sat night was also a really great night, not as great as fri. for me but was a really nice way to relax and listen to more great music. In fact the only bad thing that hapend this weekend was the car accident that took the lives of some really special individuals. I hope that we all learn from this and make plans to make sure this never takes place again. So thank you ALL very much for contributing to a great vibe that made my whole weekend the BEST. And a very speacial thanks to Richie Hawtin and all the other djs for the FUKing great music. Much thanks and love Bradley Rolf ( adrock ) :) From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 10:54:27 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id KAA09908; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:54:27 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA09903; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 10:54:24 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id NAA02895 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:54:24 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:55:23 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950227135523.20a2049c@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: MW-Raves: Virtual Relationships Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk First off, I'd like to suggest we all give a moment of prayer today in memory of those who died in the accident after FUK {no suggestions for athiests/??}. I wasn't there but after reading the post about it made kinda teary eyed. Did they have MW-RAVE accounts? I began to think about certain mw-raves subscribers who I am familiar with either from private E-Mail or from just seeing names of people who are frequent posters. In a way, this damn computer/internet stuff is quite an experience that has the ability to realize human bonds. I now reallize that I feel somewhat emotionally attached to many of you. If any of you all where to happen to die, _od forbid, I would really be upset. I honestly think, and you may not agree about this but, I think that the last week of emotional upheaval and flame wars is a possible reason for this. When people open up to other, it can lead to certain emotional attachment whether we like it or not. I'm going to find a way to put up virtual emotional walls to protect my sensitivity. I hate pain. Love Ya's, Miles From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 11:04:54 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA10454; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:04:54 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA10448; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:04:50 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA03376 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:04:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:05:49 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950227140549.20a2049c@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: Paternal Appeal Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I don't know if the accident was drug realeted or not, But, I wish to use take this opportunity to make a paternal appeal to all of you...PLEASE CHILL OUT ON THE DRUGs!! I'm not necessarily saying that you should quit (or am I?), but chill out, Eh? I Ain't no Saint, Miles From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 11:20:56 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA11271; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:20:56 -0800 Received: from ns-mx.uiowa.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id LAA11266; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:20:53 -0800 Received: from blue.weeg.uiowa.edu by ns-mx.uiowa.edu (8.6.8.2/19950217.1) on Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:20:45 -0600 id NAA18255 with ESMTP Received: by blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (8.6.10/940408) on Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:20:24 -0600 id NAA113958 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:20:16 -0600 (CST) From: "A. Calabrese" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: addresses for the FUK krew Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-2130757630-1027100827-793912816=:216924" Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. ---2130757630-1027100827-793912816=:216924 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a few questions: First off is Terry Mullan on the net? If he is would anybody know his address or any other means of contacting him. Also does any one of Hawtins address also. Any help would be appreciated. Thanx alot. ---2130757630-1027100827-793912816=:216924-- From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 11:22:45 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA11390; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:22:45 -0800 Received: from po3.indiana.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA11383; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:22:42 -0800 Message-Id: <199502271922.LAA11383@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from LOCAL:.prism.DECnet () by PO2.Indiana.EDU; id AA29138 (5.67bjsm/2.5.1jsm); Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:19:56 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 14:25:51 EWT From: TriPtoNitE X-To: PO%"mw-raves@hyperreal.com" Subject: HEARTLAND REVIEW To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hi all...just a brief review of heartland... first off...extra, extra big thanks go out to doc, sara, and bob of DIONYSIS for throwing one helluva party!!! big ups to the indy show! i honestly think sho took the night with the most incredible set ive heard! richie and crew were sitting in back and musta been impressed. i was honestly waiting for the roof to fall down! i was unimpressed with king britt...but im just not into that mellow type stuph. wink was real good and all, but whats up with pulling that chair over and sitting down while mixing? i think he should have at least showed some enthusiasm...hes to good a dj to just sit. the afterhours was an incredible finish to an incredible night! richie was amazing on the wheels of steel. the afterhours was so underground that they needed a generator to provide electricity! too bad there was no heat. very cold in there! i left around 930 cause my feet felt like cubes of ice. it was great to meet soooooo many more net people. and thank you toddo for the lil' beanie i got to wear on my head all night 8*) cant wait to see you all again real soon!!! bye for now!!! ...devin ...dmgray@ucs.indiana.edu ..."TriPtoNitE" From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 11:52:55 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id LAA12923; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:52:55 -0800 Received: from goalkeeper.d2.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id LAA12916; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:52:49 -0800 Received: from d2.com by goalkeeper.d2.com via UUCP (931110.SGI/(930416.SGI)1.0-D2.COM-OUTERELAY) for mw-raves@hyperreal.com id AA16010; Mon, 27 Feb 95 11:51:57 -0800 Received: from blackhawks.d2.com by omaha.d2.com via SMTP (950221.405.SGI.8.6.10/(921111.SGI)1.1-D2.COM-RELAY) id LAA22999; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:52:50 -0800 Received: by blackhawks.d2.com (931110.SGI/(921111.SGI)1.1-D2.COM) for @omaha.d2.com:mw-raves@hyperreal.com id AA10821; Mon, 27 Feb 95 11:52:50 -0800 From: fixer@d2.com (Robert Smith) Message-Id: <9502271952.AA10821@blackhawks.d2.com> Subject: Re: addresses for the FUK krew To: calabre@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (A. Calabrese) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 11:52:09 -0800 (PST) Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "A. Calabrese" at Feb 27, 95 01:20:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23beta2] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 838 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk : I have a few questions: First off is Terry Mullan on the net? If he is : would anybody know his address or any other means of contacting him. : Also does any one of Hawtins address also. Any help would be : appreciated. Thanx alot. Terry Mullan does not advertise his address publically. Both Richard and Matth Hawtin are reachable at plastik@msen.com -- _____________________________________________________________________________ fixer@d2.com is Robert Smith Digital Domain phone: 310/314-2920 300 Rose Avenue fax: 310/314-2866 Venice, CA 90291 _____________________________________________________________________________ "The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves." From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 12:37:01 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA16535; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 12:37:01 -0800 Received: from downburst.mm.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA16523; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 12:36:57 -0800 Received: from downburst.mm.com (vibe@downburst.mm.com [204.73.34.2]) by downburst.mm.com (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id OAA05635; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:42:01 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:42:00 -0600 (CST) From: "amy m. cielinski " To: jerry marvin haws cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: FUK post accident. Important. In-Reply-To: <9502271807.AA05555@mik.uky.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 27 Feb 1995, jerry marvin haws wrote: > I don't know if the net has heard this yet, > After the party in New Albany, a driver fell asleep at the > wheel and 4 four people were killed. The driver is still in > critical condition today.... > Wow. This is absolutely horrible. After reading that I just can't seem to get it out of my mind. I feel like I want to do something, but what? I am not from that area, I do not know these people, but as Nate Goldbaum told me this morning, "it doesn't matter who they are, they are one of us..." It scares me to think of all the times I have gone home from a party in a questionable state, whether it be from substances or exhaustion or just a purely intoxicating good vibe.....these things could easily happen to any of us. I know this post is rather aimless, I guess I just wanted to express my sadness about this incident...."it doesn't matter who they are, they are one of us..." a death in the family is always hard to deal with... Is there anyone else who is also feeling what I am? My condolences go out to anyone near to these people, and to those who are feeling what I am too. Peace, Amy From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 12:55:18 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA18047; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 12:55:18 -0800 Received: from postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA18040; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 12:55:15 -0800 Received: from [128.146.44.32] by postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (8.6.9/5.901231) id PAA00096; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:55:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:55:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199502272055.PAA00096@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: broth.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (jonas broth) Subject: re: Paternal Appeal Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > >I don't know if the accident was drug realeted or not, >But, I wish to use take this opportunity to make a paternal appeal to >all of you...PLEASE CHILL OUT ON THE DRUGs!! >I'm not necessarily saying that you should quit (or am I?), but chill out, Eh? I think JJ made it pretty clear that: >The kids were: Kevin Prenatt, Jennie Stovall, and Ross and >Chris from Dunbar, a local higgh school. It was Chris' 16th >birthday. The driver was Tim Sabree, who everyone here knew >as Timmy Montgomery. These were all really, really good >people. Great people. Everyone in the car was straight-edge. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Please. Let's not turn a tragedy into trivialized "just say no" seminar. I reposted the full paragraph with names included rather than just the important sentence as a reminder that these are real people that we have lost and not just springboards for making a point. I think that what you said in the Virtual Relationships post was important, Miles, and I respect that fear of getting too close to people... but I think that trivializing these deaths just to make an ideological argument is inappropriate and I hope that this isn't your way of building "virtual emotional walls." peace and respect, jonas b From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 13:08:31 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA18947; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:08:31 -0800 Received: from home.interaccess.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA18940; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:08:28 -0800 Received: from [198.80.1.191] (nb-dyna91.interaccess.com [198.80.1.191]) by home.interaccess.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA00135 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:08:44 -0600 Message-Id: <199502272108.PAA00135@home.interaccess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 15:11:11 +0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: adamgold@interaccess.com (Adam Goldstein) Subject: Re: Masters At Work Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk they spun that Bucketheads song that is a remake of that disco >track(sounds like bowr bowr bowr bowr ba ba ba ba baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa da >dun di daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa) If that makes any sense. Anyway, it's like my >favorite track. And obviously a lot of other people's too. "These Sounds Fall Into My Mind" Kenny "Dope" Gonzalez and his Bucketheads...the Ep is called, "the BOMB!" I love that song! :) From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 13:27:03 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA20518; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:27:03 -0800 Received: from frame.frame.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA20505; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:26:59 -0800 Received: from midas.corp.frame.com ([192.9.203.92]) by frame.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14950; Mon, 27 Feb 95 13:28:57 PST Received: from dlogics.com by midas.corp.frame.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17574; Mon, 27 Feb 95 13:28:54 PST Received: from nib by dlogics.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13407; Mon, 27 Feb 95 15:26:44 CST Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 15:26:44 CST Message-Id: <9502272126.AA13407@dlogics.com> X-Sender: nib@dlogics.dlogics.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 2.0.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: nib@dlogics.com (Nicolas Bamberski) Subject: Bambi's AtticJazz Cc: acid-jazz@ucsd.edu Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Bambi's AtticJazz #0 (a little trip from acid-jazz to experimental hip-hop) is now available in Chicago at Sole Junkies (Clark/Belmont) and probably very soon at Untitled (Clark/Diversey). If you are not near Chicago but would like a copy, e-mail me at nib@dlogics.com and we can work something out (trade, SASE with blank tape,...). Peace, bambi nib@dlogics.com - Chicago ps: some of you who expressed interest and sent me snail-mail addresses before will get a copy in the mail soon. From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 13:49:36 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA22352; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:49:36 -0800 Received: from UKCC.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA22343; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:49:32 -0800 Message-Id: <199502272149.NAA22343@taz.hyperreal.com> Received: from UKCC.UKY.EDU by UKCC.uky.edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5116; Mon, 27 Feb 95 16:43:17 EST Received: from ukcc.uky.edu (NJE origin THELME00@UKCC) by UKCC.UKY.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3007; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:34:47 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 16:20:06 EST From: tim To: mw-raves@TAZ.HYPERREAL.COM Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk the driver was merely tired. extraordinarily tired. wake up people. that ain't a pun. you don't have to be fucked up to crash. it should be noted, however, at least in my opinion, that car shouldn't have blown up. twice? hit a guardrail? fuck. not a believer in karma. not a believer in fate. not a believer in destiny. but reference dave's posts. he's right. we need some changes. in thought. the music is generally fine. people have opinions, but it's fine. the dancing is fine. just do what you want. but basic ways of thought need to change. i found love in Indy this weekend. and because of carelessness (okay, this can be argued, but it's basically a ? of carelessness), and because of drawing too much attention to the scene in a very bad way, that wonderful town is not going to be anywhere near as thick for a while. despite the fact that carelessness has put some of our friends, some of our family, in deep shit - help them. if you say it's your family, you'd better be fucking willing to back that up by ACTING like it. you don't have to feel it. hell if you don't, don't fake it. but if you say you are a member of our family, then back it the fuck up. people make mistakes and when your family makes mistakes, you help them out. i'm not talking your birth family. they are not your choice. but you make a personal conscious effort to become a member of our family when you hug me or when you hug someone else. i would be disappointed to find out...well, i'm done. if you say you love, then LOVE. if you don't love, then don't say it. period. that's it. on another note. if you think your family members have made mistakes, it's not the best course of action to simply forget them, to simply say "gee, that's too bad. a real downer..." you help. that's unity. it's not conformity. it's unity. and the tighter we are, the less likely we are to suffer the cyclical mistakes we seem to be making. btw, the after-party for Heartland...some people bitched about the space. i fucking LOVED it. dark, enough noise, minimal lights. impeccable djs. fucking great. plus, terry spun a Carl Craig remix of a Kenny Lofton/Larkin (not sure which?) track i just bought. :) i love that song. Catatonic. part three. later. From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 13:57:25 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA22893; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:57:25 -0800 Received: from nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA22885; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 13:57:20 -0800 Received: by nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA26606; Mon, 27 Feb 95 17:10:59 GMT-0500 From: jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (Jennifer Palmer) Message-Id: <9502272210.AA26606@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu> Subject: fuk & heartland To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:10:55 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 540 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk well I really can't say much about the only thing I can get out about the whole weekend was that it was the best and worst weekend of my life =] thank you jj and jim for fuk thank you doc and sara for heartland and thanks to richie, john aquaviva, jim, and sho for making me dance with my face in a speaker =] my thoughts are with those who died and tim who is still in the hospital at the moment hope to see you all again soon jen -- *Jennifer Palmer* aka Deadbeat jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu or palmerje@miavx1.muohio.edu From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 14:27:32 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA25603; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:27:32 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA25596; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:27:29 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id RAA13254 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:27:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:28:30 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950227172830.20a1ec73@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: You can't say anything... Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I cannot believe that my post regarding those that died after FUK was seen as a merely a way of maiking an "ideological argument." Frankly I'm insulted as hell. The last thing I thought about was making an "ideological argument." I feel extremely bad about what happened more than I thought I would and now someone says my response, not my intial one mind you, was innapropriate. Well, F'n excuse me for carin'. Next time I just won't give a shit. I'm off this stupid thing. I'm sure you'll all be happy. Miles From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 14:43:50 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA26637; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:43:50 -0800 Received: from infochi.infochi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA26628; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 14:43:43 -0800 Received: by infochi.infochi.com id AA21969 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for MW-RAVES@hyperreal.com); Mon, 27 Feb 1995 16:44:23 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:43:38 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Shea Subject: Re: back to records To: Tigger Cc: MW-RAVES@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <01HNJJ0FR2CY8Y5T5H@AC.GRIN.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 27 Feb 1995, Tigger wrote: > I'm looking for a few rekkids..I was wondering if anyone can help me > (they are REALLY old) Jesus. Make me feel ancient, why don't you? > > 2) Happy Mondays....Loose Fit (or any other vinyl) I have "Step On" as a 12-inch single with a few different mixes... Stu From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 15:01:49 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id PAA27853; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:01:49 -0800 Received: from corn.cso.niu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA27846; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:01:46 -0800 Received: by corn.cso.niu.edu id AA11731 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:01:54 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:01:54 -0600 (CST) From: dearborn michael jam To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Anyone coming into town april 15th for MISSION UNDERGROUND? If so and you need a hotel room let me know asap. i am in the process of booking a block of rooms at a hotel in the downtown area. They will not be expensive and it will be easy to find the space from the hotel. Please send any responses to me. peace Mike Dearborn From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 15:21:02 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id PAA29055; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:21:02 -0800 Received: from lulu.acns.nwu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id PAA29046; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 15:20:59 -0800 Received: from [129.105.112.226] (podkayne.acns.nwu.edu) by lulu.acns.nwu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.15/20.3) id AA038047258; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:20:58 -0600 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:20:58 -0600 X-Sender: dps927@lulu.acns.nwu.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: dps927@nwu.edu (david siska) Subject: Re: masters at work Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey everyone! the review done by valery pretty much covers all the details... a few other things: the map point was at hogoboom's. we do not have a car, so we el-ed it there... the people selling tickets told us it was no more than 20 minutes away. our cab driver told us it was at least 45 minutes away. so we bailed on the taxi, and went inside to find rides. we found a ride down there, but she told us she had to leave at 4:00. we went anyway, not knowing how we'd get back home. i think the map point should have been placed much closer to the event. i know most ravers have cars or friends with cars, but some of us are impaired in those areas... by the time we arrived, the place was sort of half-full, and efex was just finishing up. a few people were standing still talking in a spot that was a bit too close to the speakers, so the thick-vibe crew were all right up against the bins. the sound wasn't overpowering. in fact, i think they needed stronger amps to power the speakers. the dj who threw down the bucketheads was jazz wheeler, if i'm not mistaken. people who were dancing went crazy, but there seemed to be just as many people milling around. jazz wheeler put down some cool tunes towards the end of his set, then traxx took control. his set was mellower, and included 777's sirenes, the marshall jefferson mix, for those who have this 12". he is cool to watch, although a very exaggerated in his motions -- lots of eq working. the word was that mindrive had shown up late, so he was not allowed to spin :( a little acid coulda moved the place better. anyway, i don't know who frique is, but i think he was spinning towards the end there, with some mellow house/trance. i handed out some starbursts to all the people still humping the speakers at around 5 am. the crowd had thinned out to about 100 people, making the place very cold and sorta lonely (since it was so big). i think small underground parties like this need to be thrown more often, but with smaller spaces. i have to agree that there was a positive vibe there, but not enough dancing... appreciating life, 8) dave/chem is for dorks. p.s. ask me about our ride home... :P From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 17:49:35 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id RAA08812; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:49:35 -0800 Received: from rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id RAA08807; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 17:49:33 -0800 Received: by rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA38220; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 19:49:15 -0600 From: jmbug@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (James M Buggar) Message-Id: <9502280149.AA38220@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Subject: Hey! To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 19:49:15 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 660 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I've just subscribed today, yet I haven't seen any mail other than the majordomo automated crap. How active is this list? Where is everyone geographically located? -- ============================================================================= James "MIke" Buggar jmbug@cert.org CERT Coordination Center jmbug@ilstu.edu Software Engineering Institute jmbug@cwis.unomaha.edu Carnegie Mellon University http://www.ilstu.edu/~jmbug/ Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 ph: 412-687-7014 ============================================================================= From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 18:29:30 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id SAA11279; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 18:29:30 -0800 Received: from home.interaccess.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA11269; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 18:29:26 -0800 Received: from [198.80.1.212] (nb-dyna112.interaccess.com [198.80.1.212]) by home.interaccess.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id UAA24813 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:29:43 -0600 Message-Id: <199502280229.UAA24813@home.interaccess.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:32:11 +0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: adamgold@interaccess.com (Adam Goldstein) Subject: Re: Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Hey, this is in response to your article about "These Sounds Fall >Into My Mind"....you're not referring to that mix "Street Sounds >Running Through My Mind" are you? >If so, it's Street Sounds.... >I was just wondering. nope, it's "these Sounds..." maybe there's another song called "street sounds", but the Bucketheads jam is "These Sounds Fall Into My Mind"...I have the record right in front of me (wonderful record that it is!). BTW, I went to Gramaphone today, and picked up some really good stuff....here's some stuff i'ver gotten recently that I really like DJ Sneak-The Polyester EP, and the Moon Doggy EP......Discoey House Winx-The Meditation Will MAnifest....This record is amazing Disco Elements Volume 4...just got today Airgoose-Outernational Wah...I first heard this on Doc MArtin's Urb Mix...really cool acidic trance Bucketheads-The BOMB!---Crowd Pleaser :) My Favorite Buy of the Month: Andre-"Keep on"...this song starts with a tribal beat and female diva sample, but about half way through, a 303 kicks in, and, like....it's awesome! Peace to all Adam From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 18:32:00 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id SAA11453; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 18:32:00 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA11448; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 18:31:57 -0800 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (root@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.8) with ESMTP id UAA09683 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:31:58 -0600 Received: from rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (aixb.cmp.ilstu.edu [138.87.1.101]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA02613 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:31:56 -0600 Received: by rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA111131; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:31:37 -0600 From: jmbug@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (James M Buggar) Message-Id: <9502280231.AA111131@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Subject: Introducing JMBUG... To: mw-raves@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (Midwest Raves) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:31:36 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1987 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey! I just subscribed today, and I thought I'd introduce myself. Ya know my name from the mail message, but most people call me either "Bug" or "JimBug" or "MIke". Actually I'll answer to anything, the more profane, the more likely. I'm a college student at Illinois State University. A bit older than most students, I'm 24, but that's due to spending four years in the military. I am an honors student with a double major in Computer Science and Art, currently working for the Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT) as an intern. I've never been to a rave, but I've been to more dance clubs than I can count. And I've been to clubs all over since I got turned on to the dance scene when I was in the military. Here's some of the stuff I listen to: Sheep on Drugs Stabbing Westward Utah Saints Front 242 Fear Factory LA Style Ministry En Esch Rage Against the Machine Blur Moby Meat Beat Manifesto Dominatrix UK Ethyl Meatplow Nitzer Ebb Lords of Acid NIN Servents of Power The Shamen KMFDM Interactive Psychosonic Skinny Puppy My Life with the Thrill Kill Kult So on, so fourth... Anyhow, I look forward to hearing from you all! I'll be back in Illinois in June, with a couple visits before then. I can't wait to hit a good rave this spring or summer! Lemme know what's up, I'll be on all night... ============================================================================= James "MIke" Buggar (or BUG) jmbug@cert.org CERT Coordination Center jmbug@ilstu.edu Software Engineering Institute jmbug@cwis.unomaha.edu Carnegie Mellon University http://www.ilstu.edu/~jmbug/ Pittsburgh, PA 15213-3890 ph: 412-687-7014 ============================================================================= From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 19:46:19 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id TAA15481; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 19:46:19 -0800 Received: from VAXB.calumet.purdue.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA15474; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 19:46:16 -0800 From: HS080244@vaxb.calumet.purdue.edu Received: from vaxb.calumet.purdue.edu by vaxb.calumet.purdue.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #5527) id <01HNK4SJ6CDC9ULQUG@vaxb.calumet.purdue.edu>; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 21:45:50 CST Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 21:45:49 -0600 (CST) Subject: RELIEF 03/04/95 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-id: <01HNK4SJA3EA9ULQUG@vaxb.calumet.purdue.edu> X-VMS-To: IN%"mw-raves@hyperreal.com" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Join Vibe Alive and Relief Records as we present to you......... R E L I E F March 4, 1995 Chicago, U.S.A with djs: DJ Sneak Paul Johnson Gene Farris Boo Williams Glenn Underground Louis Bell Random Access Trackhead Steve Davey Dave Mystic Bill Traxx + other special guest djs PLUS live PA'S by DAJAE (you got me up, brighter days) and Terrence Fm All Acts CONFIRMED Space is LEGAL HEATED AND PERMITTED this will be 100% bust free and will start at 10:00 p.m. pre-sale tickets will go on sale february 27 an Untitled. for more information please call 312-604-1978 the Vibe Alive Line. We are one house nation, Under God, Underground! peace From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 20:16:40 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id UAA17148; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:16:40 -0800 Received: from oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA17139; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:16:37 -0800 Received: (from rmaslow@localhost) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA17412 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 23:16:38 -0500 From: Rebecca Jill Maslow Message-Id: <199502280416.XAA17412@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: hyperreal.edu: host not found) (fwd) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 23:16:38 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 3285 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk hey all...this is a becca-style review of Fuk, Heartland, and everything inbetween, so if you have no desire to read this, go ahead and delete this post. don't worry, i won't be offended. go ahead, press that "D" button, i know you know how... (he he he...they missed out man) :) ok, on to the goodies... friday amy and i left beautiful (ahem) athens for cincy, had a great dinner at my parents (thanks mom), and after reaching brad got on the road for louisville. space was really easy to find and it was cool. we walked in and began *huG ciTy* like you wouldn't believe! jim was awesome on the tables, amy and i got to see everyone, but i missed richie's set. (duck) i was upstairs in the ambient room listening to mathew hawtin's cool grooves. oh! almost forgot...near the beginning of the night doc and brad tag-teamed upstairs...it was cool. :) ok, we left after it shut down and caravanned to bloomington. thanks to kyle and jon for letting us crash there. cosmic and jess arrived a bit later. after not sleeping very long we get the worst phone call any body cannot imagine receiving. really bad news, i won't say all because i know i don't have the facts straight, but there was an accident on the way from louisville to lexington and some kids died...so we all have something to think about now...anyway, so amy, sho, brad, eric, me, jess, sunshine, jim, and jen all hang around at kyle's, devin shows up, we all pack up our stuff and eat, then me, amy, sho, eric, and sunshine head up to purdue and jen hill's pre-party. (i got to shower finally too!!! thanks sho) anyway, we caravan (again) down to indy and let me tell you! we walked into that space and amy and i were just like, "this is gonna rock!" sho's set fucking kicked it! i mean, i danced the whole set. i wasn't too impressed with king brit or wink, but i've seen them before and know they've been better...no big deal. anyway, after the party shut down and i got to hang with my buddy mark, we headed over to eat and then off the the after-party. REALLY bummed about the space, i mean, come-on, it's not spring yet. the space reminded me of Freeze the Children back in cincy last year. anyway, i got to talk to richie for a minute before heading for a car to sit in and gab...:) then we went to pat's and slept. ok, now for the names. i was excited for this because i got to see everyone who i haven't seen since attraction, and some i hadn't seen since IO, so here we go. cosmic, sho, eric w., mike brown, jess, marea, jj, tim r., stephanie, trevor, david hollands, bradj, brad r., doc, jon, kyle, sunshine, jen, jimbob and the rest of the athens crew, heather p., jen hill, shawn d., shannen, other shannen, hakan, pat, devin, pat's g/f holly, mark d., spitfire, fractal, phil, toddo, jay w., other jay, izzy, elmosteph, ELLEN!!!!!! (finally got to meet her), tim/leonard, and EVERYONE ELSE. sorry if i forgot you, but i can't think anymore. so that's it. this post really sucks, i think, but i haven't been to a party in so long that i just had to let you all know that i'm still here. :) ok, i'm out. i love you all. i will see you soon, though amy will probably see you sooner. :) hang in there...*huGs* -becca From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 20:31:30 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id UAA17896; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:31:30 -0800 Received: from oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA17886; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:31:28 -0800 Received: (from rmaslow@localhost) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6) id XAA18497 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 23:31:30 -0500 From: Rebecca Jill Maslow Message-Id: <199502280431.XAA18497@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: test To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com (post) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 23:31:29 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 6 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk test From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 20:55:41 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id UAA19013; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:55:41 -0800 Received: from relay3.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA19003; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 20:55:39 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyezj15679; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 23:55:54 -0500 Received: from abennett by iglou.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0rjJwg-00021yC; Mon, 27 Feb 95 23:54 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: abennett@iglou.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 23:55:12 -0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) Subject: Re: Hey! Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk jmbug@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu sez: >I've just subscribed today, yet I haven't seen any mail other than the >majordomo automated crap. How active is this list? The main list is broken up into a series of smaller lists at the top of each hour. This helps in email distribution. So, if you subscribe at 1 minute after the top of the hour, you won't even see any posts until the next hour. Not like that hour will make/break you though. The list is very active. Expect 30-50 messages a day. >Where is everyone geographically located? All over. We have people overseas watching us. Andrew -- This email is (c) 1995, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com http://taz.hyperreal.com/~abennett/ From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 21:41:53 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id VAA21213; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 21:41:53 -0800 Received: from bronze.coil.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id VAA21208; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 21:41:51 -0800 Received: from localhost (eluna@localhost) by bronze.coil.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) id AAA12130; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 00:43:11 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 00:43:11 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Luna To: mwraves Subject: pOd columbus oh mar 4 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk this is a late addition, i just noticed it... "pOd" featuring dieselboy [pittsburgh] ari [dayton illuminator] damon [cincinnati house boiee] and ele mentals: drift andromeda titonton doughboy pre sale at world record 1980 n high st (upstairs) event at 1980 high st, enter through la bamba mexican restaurant (best in town imho) info 614.341.7041 site is an old club...future site of ANT FARM this party looks kewl and will be cheeep anyone from outta town come if bored crash space available, mail me back don't forget MINIMAL STATE mar 11...phat lineup ++ e d From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 22:41:13 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id WAA24132; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 22:41:13 -0800 Received: from worf.uwsp.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA24127; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 22:41:10 -0800 Received: from worf.uwsp.edu (worf.uwsp.edu [143.236.1.12]) by worf.uwsp.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id AAA05720 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 00:38:11 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 00:38:11 -0600 (CST) From: Adam Desombre To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: do you live in Madison? In-Reply-To: <9502272126.AA13407@dlogics.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey, Do any of you who live in Madison, WI (or know people who do) know of anyone who is looking to sublet an apartment for the summer? I and a friend are looking for summer housing in Mad-Town. :) Also, can anyone ID a track for me? It has a chic vocal sample that goes sumpthing like: "Thumpin bumpin bass keeps pumping" repeated numerous times. Its got lotsa pianos...almost on the cheesy side, but I like the tune :) I wanna say it's called "Calm Down" but I dont know...I'm looking for a copy...its a fun song :) Thanks... ...adam From mw-raves-owner Mon Feb 27 23:00:06 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id XAA25136; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 23:00:06 -0800 Received: from postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA25092; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 23:00:03 -0800 Received: from [128.146.5.65] by postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (8.6.9/5.901231) id CAA13884; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 02:00:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199502280700.CAA13884@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 02:01:51 -0800 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: broth.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (jonas broth) Subject: Re: Paternal Appeal Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I've been trying to focus my attention on this paper I'm writing tonight and I can't seem to clear this situation of my mind. So, here I am trying to right my wrongs. Looking back on my post earlier today I think I owe Miles an apology. First off I shouldn't have posted that reply to the entire list. I wasn't trying to embarass you, Miles. The only reason I posted to the list was because I was upset that this event was even mentioned in relation to drugs. I only did so because I didn't want the idea floating around in the back of peoples minds that these people died because of drugs. I realize I should have just sent that response to you and done a short "no they weren't on drugs" to the list. But I didn't. And I wasn't doing that to embarass you at all. As I said in my private message to you Miles, it was a poor decision on my part. I didn't- nor do I now- believe that you were TRYING to trivialize this event. But I believe that it had the EFFECT of trivializing what has happened. There is a big difference. I sincerely believe that your intentions were GOOD, Miles, and that you were TRYING to do the right thing. Just as I think many people in this world TRY to do the right thing... but often end up having a negative effect (boy, now I feel like the paternal one). The fact is that I live in constant fear that in TRYING to do the right thing with my life I will end up doing the WRONG thing. I hope that if- or rather WHEN- this happens that I will be called on it and be able to redirect my energy in the RIGHT direction. A complex task in an era when there is so much slack in the definition of RIGHT. I think that you deserve MUCH respect for suggesting a moment of reflection in your Virtual Relationships post. And for laying your thoughts and emotions down like that; entirely open to criticism. I am upset with myself that I, in effect, kicked you while you were already down. My earlier post was emotional and reactionary. Exactly the qualities that keep us human and not corporate machines. But also the qualities that cause some of the biggest problems. I can completely relate to the feeling of connectivity with other net.subscribers you describe. And I feel this acutely with you right now. It's so fucking crazy! People that subscribe to the same magazine don't feel this way about eachother. Where does this come from? Anyway, I hope I've clarified myself. I can only hope that some day I will succeed at being self-aware, self-assured without being self-righteous. And I hope that I've smoothed some of the tensions I created earlier today. RESPECT to you, Miles. human, fallible, problematic, but still TRYING to do the right thing, Jonas. ============================================================================ jonas eric broth |from the 1992 AAA travel guide, broth.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu | on Columbus, Oh: |"...a main distinction of the city | is that it is not too distinctive..." ============================================================================ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 04:31:00 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id EAA09223; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 04:31:00 -0800 Received: from oistrakh.msen.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id EAA09217; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 04:30:57 -0800 Received: from garnet.msen.com (garnet.msen.com [148.59.1.11]) by oistrakh.msen.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA30940 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 07:30:44 -0500 Received: by garnet.msen.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0rjR4j-0013CxC; Tue, 28 Feb 95 07:30 EST Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 07:30:49 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Walker X-Sender: marmoset@garnet.msen.com To: Midwest Raves List Subject: Re: Moment (Repost) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Sat, 25 Feb 1995, Leonard Helton wrote: > 2) Basic Channel is just all around a great label....some real nice acid > house to harder acid...... For the non-DJ's out there, I'll mention that there's a new Basic Channel CD comp out. Though if you have access, by all means get the original 12"'s, since the tracks on the comp are mostly edits, and one of the coolest things about BC is the way they can make a fifteen minute, seemingly numbingly repetitive track sound utterly fascinating. :) In the immortal words of Matt Macqueen, you've just gotta love the layer of "line noise" on every track... I don't know if I'd call it acid house, though -- BC are pretty much a unique entity to themselves, in my estimation. I picked up a nice record Friday. It's a new full-length on +8, by Legion of Green Men. Very odd, head-expanding stuff. The more upbeat tracks are real nice tweaky analog IDM, slightly reminiscent of Vapourspace or Juno Reactor, maybe, while the ambient tracks towards the end remind me of FAX space music. Very nice. Cool artwork, too. Also, electro-heads should check the last couple of Aux 88 EP's, on 430 West. ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@msen.com freeke robot luv From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 06:28:18 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id GAA13447; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 06:28:18 -0800 Received: from swissbank.swissbank.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA13440; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 06:28:14 -0800 Received: by swissbank.swissbank.com with UUCP (4.1/BK-1.9) id AA01565; Mon, 27 Feb 95 09:15:10 CST Received: from il.us.swissbank.com by gatekeeper.swissbank.com with SMTP (8.6.7/BK-1.12) id JAA27544; Mon, 27 Feb 1995 09:11:04 -0600 Received: from ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com by il.us.swissbank.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25997; Mon, 27 Feb 95 09:12:40 CST Received: by ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01698; Mon, 27 Feb 95 09:12:39 CST From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) Message-Id: <9502271512.AA01698@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Subject: ride to fuk To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Mon, 27 Feb 95 9:12:39 CST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hey now! is there some kind chicago soul out there who would be kind enough to give lil'ol me a ride to milwuakkee on sat for fuk? or is there some kind milwuakkee soul who'd pick me up at the amtrak station if it comes down to me havin' to take a train? let me know, --Kurt "Needs to get some friends with cars not bus passes" osis -> Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago, IL 312-554-5457, 312-290-1086 <- -> vile@il.us.swissbank.com vile@kurtosis.com <- -> This message in no conceivable way relates to the banks thoughts, <- -> feelings,views,or policies. Not that I know what they are anyways. <- -> send mail with the subject #tape-list to get my tape list <- From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 06:52:10 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id GAA14423; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 06:52:10 -0800 Received: from silver.ucs.indiana.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id GAA14418; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 06:52:08 -0800 Received: by silver.ucs.indiana.edu (5.65c+/10jsm) id AA03842; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 09:51:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 09:51:58 -0500 (EST) From: kyle burress Subject: fuk... To: mw-raves Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk did anyone else feel like they were in a giant hefty bag? did anyone else feel like they were at a rock concert? I had a wonderful time, but the merchandizing.....it was like a rock concert. is this is what things are coming to? organized, pfofit oriented "tours"????? whats next? "Rave tour" 1995...brought to you by budwiser? sorry to complain....but where are things like this gonna take our culture? From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 08:30:20 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id IAA19213; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 08:30:20 -0800 Received: from oistrakh.msen.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA19204; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 08:30:15 -0800 Received: from garnet.msen.com (garnet.msen.com [148.59.1.11]) by oistrakh.msen.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA00860 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:30:07 -0500 Received: by garnet.msen.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0rjUoO-0013CxC; Tue, 28 Feb 95 11:30 EST Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 11:30:12 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Walker X-Sender: marmoset@garnet.msen.com To: Midwest Raves List Subject: Re: Detroit News+Free Press: "Rave Crave"! In-Reply-To: <9502270702.AA11411@student5.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Mon, 27 Feb 1995, Matt MacQueen wrote: > hilarious! It's so funny... Even 2 huge pictures of many _ravers_ > caught in the act of "Raving"[TM]. Even a close-up photo of a "pass worn > around the neck to identify party staff." Yeah, I thought that was great. > I was wondering if any > net.ravers were in any of the "action shot" photos. Did I stress the word: > _RAVE!_ ;) ha ha .... It was classic. I love how, in typical sweeps-week-journalism fashion, they went all out emphasizing the SEX! DRUGS! YOUR UNDERAGE CHILDREN HAVING SEX WHILE ON DRUGS! angle while barely mentioning how the city was the place where techno music was invented, how respected worldwide the artists, DJs, and scene is, etc. > "Deputy Detroit police chief Benny Napoleon said rave parties arn't > so difficult to find as their organizers like to think. > 'It's the easiest thing in the world,' he said. The parties cause > 'lots of concern' in the neighborhoods. > He said Detroit formed a task force last week aimed at shutting > down illegal after-hours parties. > 'We've been doing raids on them the past month or so,' he said." Of course, what isn't mentioned here is the bullshit the cops pull -- like how when a certain recent party was busted how the money was taken from the promoters and "disappered": no property slip given to the promoter, no mention of the cash in the police report... you know, downright shady. A friend has been trying for months to get some kind of straight answer from the city brass as to what he needs to do to throw a fully legal party -- for example, the cabaret law doesn't apply because no alcohol is being served. Most of the cases they've brought up against promoters here have fallen apart because the city has had very little legal ground to stand on. On a serious note, my heart goes out to the folks in Indy, their friends and families. ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@msen.com freeke From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 08:51:56 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id IAA20451; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 08:51:56 -0800 Received: from rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA20443; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 08:51:53 -0800 Received: by rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA130612; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:51:33 -0600 From: smmcfar@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Shannon M. Mcfarland) Message-Id: <9502281651.AA130612@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Subject: HEARTLAND To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:51:33 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1151 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sorry my post is so late, but my server was dowm yesterday!!! The party rocked, what more can I say. The vibe was there, my boy and i were together, I saw my little love bug Jen, and I finally met so many people that I have been waiting to meet!!! Just a few comments on the weeeknd and the party.... 1. Clean bathroons and toliet paper, ah the simple things in life 2. Anfernee you missed one hell of party!!!! 3. Hey Todd, Becca, and the other shannon 4. Onec again Sho put me into anoher orbit!!! 5. Best qoute of the night goes to Crisko, "I think I'm becoming a Sho Follower". Yes Tony welcome to the world of SHO!!! 6. The ride down to INDY packs much funk!!!(TRANSLATION: it smells really BAD!!! 7. I think I'm still feeling the after glow=) 8. One due to my awesome weekend with shawn, and two because I haven't had that much fun at a party since XANADU 9. I think INDY/PURDUE/IU is the scene that is up and coming!! WATCH OUT CHICAGO!!! 10. Thank you once agian, a weeekend with my family was much needed, Glad i got to meet so many of you!! And my prayers and thoughts go out to those who died and their families. shannon From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 09:33:11 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA22652; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 09:33:11 -0800 Received: from m-net148.arbornet.org by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA22638; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 09:33:06 -0800 Received: from [150.253.50.33] by m-net148.arbornet.org with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0rjVn1-000hblC; Tue, 28 Feb 95 12:32 WET Message-Id: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 12:32 WET From: "Professor Earache" Reply-To: "Professor Earache" To: kburress@ucs.indiana.edu, mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: fuk... Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk In message kyle burress writes: > > did anyone else feel like they were in a giant hefty bag? > did anyone else feel like they were at a rock concert? > I had a wonderful time, but the merchandizing.....it was like a rock concert. > is this is what things are coming to? > organized, pfofit oriented "tours"????? > whats next? > "Rave tour" 1995...brought to you by budwiser? > sorry to complain....but where are things like this gonna take our culture? Prolly about trying to break even on the party and recoup any potential losses incurred from throwing the party on. Sit down sometime with Excel and attempt to figure out how to finance a party without spending any money of your own. Merchandise is a rather pretty thing when you're doing that. And, as we found out last night, seems like a lot of raves in Europe are/used to be sponsored by such major corporations as Pepsi, Phillip Morris, Schwepes, etc. earache =======gabbergabbergabbergabbergabbergabbergabbergabbergabbergabbergabber======= -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- b e a t P H R E A K s o c i e t y --------======= "Stay down with the hardcore" ======---------- d i g i w o r x @ m - n e t . a r b o r n e t . o r g -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- =======gabbergabbergabbergabbergabbergabbergabbergabbergabbergabbergabber======= From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 09:38:12 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id JAA23009; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 09:38:12 -0800 Received: from dns004.ford.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id JAA23003; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 09:38:09 -0800 From: MWEST1@etcv01.eld.ford.com Received: from etcv01.eld.ford.com (etcv01.eld.ford.com [19.53.3.14]) by dns004.ford.com (8.6.7/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA25686 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:38:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:39:07 -0500 (EST) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: <950228123907.20a1c8c5@etcv01.eld.ford.com> Subject: Detroit Raves Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk You know, Every now and then one of my older friend [28+] will say that they want to go to a rave. They've heard about them, seen them on the news, read about them in the paper and I'm shocked when they ask me to take them to one. So I'm gonna make it a point at the next Detroit rave to invite all of my friends from the old folks home. So if you see a few old men with grey hair and dentures, come on over and say hi. Incidently, if any of you are ever in Detroit, there's a club called The Shelter, where incidently Richie Hawtin got his start, on the third floor. On the third floor they play the slaminest techno. Some of the local DJs like Mike Huckaby (sp?) spin there. It's a very good rave vibe goin' on there without the filth of a warehouse (geez I hope I didn't offent anyone) or the possibility of a bust and only 5 skins a head (that sounds like a pun, get it?). Additionally, the second floor has da badest hip hop dj's in there area as well. I'm tellin ya, If you ever get the chance to go to the shelter on a Friday night....GO! It's such a live scene. It's such a live scene It almost like a dream With a vibe that fat It's down like that Smooth like Ice Cream If you dicide to go I just want you to know you'll have much fun don't bring a gun Give out shouts to me and Joe Sorry, got carried away, Thought this was the Rappers List. Ha, Ha. Peace, Miles From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 10:14:10 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id KAA25560; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:14:10 -0800 Received: from oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA25550; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:14:07 -0800 Received: (from rmaslow@localhost) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6) id NAA08649 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:14:07 -0500 From: Rebecca Jill Maslow Message-Id: <199502281814.NAA08649@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: i'm a dum-dum To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com (post) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:14:07 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 357 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk argh!!! i totally forgot katerina, nate, krisg, andrew, marissa, and if i forgot to mention anyone else that i saw...shoot me, ok? oh yeah, jj. ok, sorry that i forgot you. but you know i love you anyway. *huGs* -becca ps...amy and i will be heading for indiana in 2 weeks (i think) so if you want to see us, or you want us to drive to you, let us know. From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 10:21:43 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id KAA26068; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:21:43 -0800 Received: from student5.cl.msu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA26060; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:21:40 -0800 Received: from [35.8.189.73] by student5.cl.msu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/MSU-2.10) id AA71370; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:16:33 -0500 Message-Id: <9502281816.AA71370@student5.cl.msu.edu> X-Sender: macqueen@student5.msu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:21:24 -0500 To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: macqueen@student.msu.edu (Matt MacQueen) Subject: basic channel, legion of green men Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >> 2) Basic Channel is just all around a great label....some real nice acid >> house to harder acid...... Dave Walker said: >For the non-DJ's out there, I'll mention that there's a new Basic Channel >CD comp out. Though if you have access, by all means get the original >12"'s, since the tracks on the comp are mostly edits, and one of the >coolest things about BC is the way they can make a fifteen minute, >seemingly numbingly repetitive track sound utterly fascinating. :) For the serious basic channel fans, there is a new 12" on MAIN STREET RECORDS called "new day" that features the work of Basic Channel -- mostly on the B-side, dub mix... I'm not usually into extremely "vocal" house, but even the vocal-mix on the A-side is really good, smooth male vocal house, with that Basic Channel sound throughout. It doesn't say basic channel anywhere on the record, so I owe thanks to "Ann Arbor Ian" who I saw at Record Time that day, (the day of the SWITCH party, actually) and he pointed it out to me. It's definitely housey, wonderful. >I picked up a nice record Friday. It's a new full-length on +8, by Legion >of Green Men. Very odd, head-expanding stuff. The more upbeat tracks are >real nice tweaky analog IDM, slightly reminiscent of Vapourspace or Juno >Reactor, maybe, while the ambient tracks towards the end remind me of FAX >space music. Very nice. Cool artwork, too. I agree with Dave, this Legion of Green Men release *JUST MIGHT* replace FSOL's "Lifeforms" as my favorite mind-blower L.P. of recent "head techno." :) It's also very very diverse, there's a really good "dubby" track on there, too. >----------------------------------------------------------------- >dave walker, detroit art services _ >marmoset@msen.com freeke robot luv _______________________________________________________________________ Matt MacQueen more Kling Klang. Hypermedia & WWW Development Communication Technology Laboratory, Michigan State Univeristy _______________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 10:21:54 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id KAA26110; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:21:54 -0800 Received: from infochi.infochi.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA26059; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 10:21:40 -0800 Received: by infochi.infochi.com id AA28055 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for Midwest Raves List ); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:22:18 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:20:45 -0500 (EST) From: Stu Shea Subject: Re: Detroit News+Free Press: "Rave Crave"! To: Dave Walker Cc: Midwest Raves List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Dave Walker wrote: > > It was classic. I love how, in typical sweeps-week-journalism fashion, > they went all out emphasizing the SEX! DRUGS! YOUR UNDERAGE CHILDREN > HAVING SEX WHILE ON DRUGS! angle while barely mentioning how the city > was the place where techno music was invented, how respected worldwide > the artists, DJs, and scene is, etc. Last week, the Chicago Tribune ran a story in their 'tempo' section on raves...it wasn't as bad as it could have been, and stressed the "kids staying out late" angle more than the drugs...writing about raves for the Tribune audience is still a little bit like trying to hold water in your hands... Stu From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 12:11:38 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id MAA04224; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:11:38 -0800 Received: from nccseq.noctrl.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id MAA04216; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 12:11:35 -0800 Received: by nccseq.noctrl.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0rjYGP-0007niC; Tue, 28 Feb 95 14:11 CST Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 14:11:20 -0600 (CST) From: Mark Dienger Subject: Re: Detroit News+Free Press: "Rave Crave" To: Stu Shea cc: Dave Walker , Midwest Raves List In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Stu Shea wrote: > > Last week, the Chicago Tribune ran a story in their 'tempo' section on > raves...it wasn't as bad as it could have been, and stressed the "kids > staying out late" angle more than the drugs...writing about raves for the > Tribune audience is still a little bit like trying to hold water in your > hands... > > Stu I'm pictured in this article. It's hard to see me, but my face is directly above the blond headed girl with her back to the cammera. I'm starting to stand up and i am leaning on a wall. I'm also wearing my white astrobay t-shrit (the janpanimation astroboy). It's kinda hard to see me, but i'm there. I liked how the cop said that they shut down the raves for our heatlh (because the warehouse isn't safe), yeah right. Anyway the pictures were taken at a party that was a week after new years. I forget the name of the party but, it was free with a can food donation. It was at 2200 diversity, if you were there. P.S. it was really nice meeting everyone at Heartland. PLUR, Mark Dienger (Dink) gsammd@noctrl.edu From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 13:23:37 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA09819; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:23:37 -0800 Received: from falcon.depaul.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA09810; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:23:33 -0800 Received: (goldbaum@localhost) by falcon.depaul.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id VAA19675 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 21:24:13 GMT Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 21:24:13 GMT From: Nate Goldbaum Message-Id: <199502282124.VAA19675@falcon.depaul.edu> Apparently-To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk s damn, I'm sorry, I screwed up. From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 13:31:36 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id NAA10292; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:31:36 -0800 Received: from falcon.depaul.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA10284; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 13:31:33 -0800 Received: (goldbaum@localhost) by falcon.depaul.edu (8.6.8/8.6.4) id VAA19833 for mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 21:32:43 GMT From: Nate Goldbaum Message-Id: <199502282132.VAA19833@falcon.depaul.edu> Subject: Family: Tragedy + LONG Heartland Review To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com (MidWest Ravers!) Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 15:32:43 CST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL0] Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk 0.000000 >From goldbaum Tue Feb 28 21:28:41 1995 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 21:28:39 GMT From: Nate Goldbaum Full-Name: Nate Goldbaum Message-Id: <199502282128.VAA19751@falcon.depaul.edu> Apparently-To: goldbaum I tried this yesterday and it got eaten, so I have to do it again. If you are totally sick of Heartland reviews, please bypass this review and read the last three paragraphs. I did have to tell my family, tho, how beautiful it was to be reunited once again. I have to start from the very beginning to let you know just how blessed this weekend was for me. I had known that I needed to go raving this weekend for a long time. It wasn't until last week that I knew I was going to Heartland. But I waited too long to start looking for rides. On Friday I posted a "Ride Needed" post, but got no response. Saturday morning I started calling Chicago people to see if anyone was going who had a car. Alas, after calling most of the people I knew around here, I had no luck. I went out for a bit and when I came home there was a message on my machine. It was from Shannon/Blitz and Mickey/Mouse. Not having a computer, they couldn't have read my message, but they'd called me to see if I had the directions down there on my computer. Shannon had called the voicemail and its message-box was full, so he couldn't listen to the directions. I checked and didn't find the directions on my computer, so I decided to give the voxmail a chance. Lo and behold, it was back up. Were it not for it being down, they never would have called me and I wouldn't have gotten down there. It was a very *minor* miracle, but a sign of the night to come. So, we drove down (fun but uneventful, cramped into the back seat of Blitz's sports car). Then Shannon got me in for free (yay Shannon!) >From there, the vibe was just beautiful and amazing. Sho, you really got me goin'. We all went crazy when Boing! came on. Aaaaahhhhh da memories. I don't think I've ever heard Britt or Josh spin, so it was a real treat for me. But, hey, it's been so long since I've raved that I couldn't be too critical. I just know that I went Ka-raaaaazy! I especially went nuts at the end; Wink seemed to really go off then and the vibe on the floor was the best I'd seen in ages. I thought the after-hours was really kickin'. I haven't been to an afterhours where everyone had so much energy and were dancing so hard. I guess it was kinda cold, but I had a pullover so I didn't even notice. Also, some guy gave me his glowsticks to dance with, which was totally rad. It was a lot of fun. I loaned them to someone else and he showed me some cool tricks to do with them. Naturally, the sets were awesome. We left in the middle of Richie's set, but it was cool as hell until then. We drove home and Shannon and Mickey crashed for a while at my place. Meanwhile, I had a group meeting for one of my classes as soon as I got back. I didn't end up sleeping (except for 1 hour) until about midnight Sunday night. I went and saw Red that evening. It's amazing. Go see it. I did all this without drugs. All I took were some vitamins and Bee Pollen. The high I got from the party was as great as any drug experience I've ever had. Of course, I can't forget the fact that I got to see all the friends I hadn't seen in so long and new ones as well. I'll try to get the whole list, but I'm sure I'll miss someone, sorry: Steve Kim, Skimmy, Kiwi, Jen Hill, toddo, becca!, soysos, chuck, Sho (of course), Czarina (wish you'd danced, girl) damn, I know there's more ... Devin!/Triptonite! ... of *course* Shannon and Mouse (I finally met you, Mouse, and it was *so* *rad*). Lord, thanks all for a bee-yoo-tee-full party. As we all know, of course, our happiness is curtailed by the deaths of four young ravers. I was so saddened to hear of the car crash. It diminishes us all. We are a collective entity and the loss of any "one of us" can never be replaced. I think we should all send our condolences to their families. We all grieve their loss, but I'm sure none more than their parents and siblings. If anyone can get their addresses, please post them. I think we also need to raise our awareness of the danger of driving long distances and dancing all night. We need to do something to stop these tragedies from happening. This is not the first time I've heard of ravers falling asleep at the wheel. I'm going to make a flyer to pass out at raves, trying to deal with the issues involved (ie finding someplace to stay after parties, designating drivers, etc). I'll be making a postscript file and putting it on hyperreal. If anyone has pictures of these kids, I'd like to put them on the flyer, in memoriam. Please email me, telling me how I can get ahold of them. I don't have easy access to a scanner, so if anyone can do the scanning quickly, please do so and put the pictures on hyperreal or somewhere so I can download them. Otherwise, write me for my address. I can always go to Kinko's (that may end up being the best solution, all told). Also please send me any suggestions you have for the flyer. I will post a text file of the finished product to the list. Please mail me asap. One more thing. All of us feel the pain of this tragedy. While we may want to put up Virtual Walls to protect ourselves, this will only block us from feeling the love that makes this whole thing worthwhile. Pain is as much a part of life as Love and I doubt one would exist without the other. Keep the love and let's help each other through the pain. Just talking to each other about it helps. And I want to extend to you all my love and empathy. To love each other we must feel pain, but to heal the pain will help us love each other more. Tear down the walls. Love to all of you, Nate From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 14:18:29 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA13536; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 14:18:29 -0800 Received: from nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA13524; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 14:18:25 -0800 Received: by nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (NeXT-1.0 (From Sendmail 5.52)/NeXT-2.0) id AA06903; Tue, 28 Feb 95 17:31:58 GMT-0500 From: jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (Jennifer Palmer) Message-Id: <9502282231.AA06903@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu> Subject: ride needed for fuk in milwaukee To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 17:31:53 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 416 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am looking for a ride to fuk in milwaukee just in case other plans for the weekend don't work out $20 gas paid (if you have made this trip before you know that 20 dollars of gas from cinci to milwaukee is more than enough in a fuel efficient car) ...... you will have a groovy place to stay and everything =] jen -- *Jennifer Palmer* aka Deadbeat jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu or palmerje@miavx1.muohio.edu From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 14:55:27 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id OAA15940; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 14:55:27 -0800 Received: from mik.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA15933; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 14:55:24 -0800 Received: from nx13.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA05506; Tue, 28 Feb 95 17:55:21 -0500 From: kimberly j smock Message-Id: <9502282255.AA05506@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx13.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA15994; Tue, 28 Feb 95 17:53:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 17:53:57 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Family: Tragedy + LONG Heartland Review Cc: kjsmoc00@mik.uky.edu Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am going to Kevin's funeral visitation tomorrow evening.........if ANYONE would like to write ANYTHING to his family just send it my way and I will deliver your thoughts and feelings ..............even if you didn't have the chance to meet him his family might find comfort in the unity of your posts............. peace*hugs,etc... -kimberly From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 15:29:46 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id PAA17608; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 15:29:46 -0800 Received: from mik.uky.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA17601; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 15:29:43 -0800 Received: from nx13.mik.uky.edu by mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA06201; Tue, 28 Feb 95 18:29:43 -0500 From: kimberly j smock Message-Id: <9502282329.AA06201@mik.uky.edu> Received: by nx13.mik.uky.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0X) id AA16088; Tue, 28 Feb 95 18:28:20 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 95 18:28:20 -0500 Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Timmy Cc: kjsmoc00@mik.uky.edu Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Timmy Montgomery was upgraded to serious condition yesterday after his first surgery.....I will more than likely go to see him later this week, if you would like to send him anything (music, thoughts, anything....) you can either send it to me at kjsmoc00@mik.uky.edu or to his hospital address:) University of Louisville Burn Unit #5 Timmy Montgomery/Sebree 530 Jackson Street Louisville, KY From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 18:15:47 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id SAA28987; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 18:15:47 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA28980; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 18:15:44 -0800 Received: from alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (prodigy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.2]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.8) with ESMTP id UAA28160 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:15:45 -0600 Received: (prodigy@localhost) by alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.8) id UAA27558; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:15:44 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:15:43 -0600 (CST) From: John sin Massive To: Midwest Raves List Subject: FUK in MILWALKAAA (long a) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Hmm, as Alice Cooper said it in that fantastic movie, Waynes World, Milwaukee is an indian word for great land, or something like that. Well I am just writing this to see if there are anyone of you netters out there that are going to be traveling to this city of dead industry. Milwaukee is a shitty place by an okay lake. But if enough freaks converge on the city, I am sure something fun will come out of it. If anyone needs crash space or what not, please by all means give my an Email back.. Just don't touch anything at our house.. hehe anyways. (just kidding).. Hmm is there any meeting place set for FUK. later John - Massive Magazine ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= JOHN sin MASSIVE -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 5317 West Center St. -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53210 -=- Personal Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 18:35:50 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id SAA00414; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 18:35:50 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id SAA00409; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 18:35:47 -0800 Received: from alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (synergy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.2]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.8) with ESMTP id UAA30135; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:35:41 -0600 Received: (synergy@localhost) by alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.8) id UAA25189; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:35:39 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:35:39 -0600 (CST) From: "Brad Owen (Massive Magazine)" To: House Mailing List , mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: House Incorporated, Milwaukee Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just to remind folks in the Milwaukee and surrounding area... This wednesday, join myself (Synergy) and the mythical Mind Drive @ Nitro...500 North Water Street. Last week didn't happen because the owners didn't fire their old dj until the night before and he had some stupid promotion planned with Wisconsin Music Pool (a shitty dj pool for shitty dj's) and some cheesy wack ass no-name house diva. Nonetheless, barring natural disaster, House Inc. will go off as planned. 8pm - 1am. If you're free that evening, please come out to support this as parties are fewer and fewer in this town, it would be excellent to get something going on a regular basis (ie weekly). Next month's guest dj (5 April 1995) will be dj Nick Nice. For those of you who don't know who he is...he is one of the original Wisconsin Underground Dj's who's spent the past two years as a resident dj @ The Queen in Paris, France (The Country's Largest Underground Club) as well as djing thorughout the Provence and elsewhere (Russia!!). He's been back for a while and will be in town to rok da haus in a major way...you will not want to miss this. Thanks For Listenin... See y'all at FUK. New Massive in a couple weeks. Brad -------------------------- ----------------------------------------- - - - Brad J. Owen (Synergy) - - --------- - - - - ------------- - - Quadrasonic Promotions - - --------------- - - Massive Magazine - - --- ------- --- - - - - - ----- - - - Milwaukee, Wisconsin - - --- - - - - - - - synergy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu - - - - - -------------------------- ----------------------------------------- From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 19:37:12 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id TAA03701; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 19:37:12 -0800 Received: from qix.rs.itd.umich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA03693; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 19:37:09 -0800 Received: by qix.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/2.2) id WAA21557; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:37:09 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:37:08 -0500 (EST) From: SpaceFunk X-Sender: mudd@qix.rs.itd.umich.edu To: Matt MacQueen cc: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com Subject: Re: Detroit News+Free Press: "Rave Crave"! In-Reply-To: <9502270702.AA11411@student5.cl.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Unfortunatly this artical will have a little greater impact than most ppl think. I talked to the reporter at the after party for an extended periiod of time and was gauranteed that that no names or locations would be used in the artical. Lesson well learned.... NEVER talk to reporters, don't give thme your name. This artical will secure a raid on the 1315 site... so avoid it. We don't want the coverage. This will make things difficult for promoters because the parties will turn into a media circus. Raph __________________________________________________________________________ _ mudd@um.cc.umich.edu < > \___/ ^+ +^ ' \_/ ' "God will bless you if you belive" ] / \ [ -Eddie 'Flashin' Fowlkes \|/ (|) + + __________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 19:37:16 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id TAA03717; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 19:37:16 -0800 Received: from relay3.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA03700; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 19:37:12 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyfcw15824; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:37:27 -0500 Received: from abennett by iglou.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0rjfC8-0001zpC; Tue, 28 Feb 95 22:35 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: abennett@iglou.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:36:32 -0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) Subject: Re: fuk... Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Kyle says: >did anyone else feel like they were in a giant hefty bag? >did anyone else feel like they were at a rock concert? >I had a wonderful time, but the merchandizing.....it was like a rock concert. >is this is what things are coming to? >organized, pfofit oriented "tours"????? The flyer clearly said it was a tour. The effect of the black plastic was to make it seem smaller, dark, warehouse like. At Spastik last August in Detroit, everything had black plastic on it. Even the floor. I thought it gave a cool effect. I don't think the t-shirts were out of line. They were moderately priced. I've seen vendors selling t-shirts. Same thing. >whats next? >"Rave tour" 1995...brought to you by budwiser? Rave oriented tours have happened. Orbital/Aphex Twin/Moby (the NASA thing) of a year and a half ago. Even stopped in Indy, Chicago, and Detroit. Meat Beat Manifesto and 808 State have toured together, a very good lineup kinda billed as a rave. The Logic Trance events are kinda like a tour. With Cosmic Baby being the common denominator between most shows. Orb and Orbital have toured, and I'm sure I'm missing a few others... >sorry to complain....but where are things like this gonna take our culture? If done right, upwards. The huge NASA tour didn't harm the scene in retrospect. And if you caught Meat Beat/808, congrats. Helluva show. In England and Europe, techno acts regularly play club dates. I'd KILL to see the likes of Autechre, Mixmaster Morris, Black Dog Productions, Underworld, or Speedy J live. To name a few. Or even Underground Resistance, Carl Craig, etc etc. *swooon* There's more to techno music than just faceless acts and vinyl/cds. Andrew -- This email is (c) 1995, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com http://taz.hyperreal.com/~abennett/ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 19:37:21 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id TAA03743; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 19:37:21 -0800 Received: from relay3.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA03728; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 19:37:16 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyfcw15833; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:37:31 -0500 Received: from abennett by iglou.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0rjfCA-0001zCC; Tue, 28 Feb 95 22:35 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: abennett@iglou.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:36:34 -0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) Subject: Re: ride to fuk Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Kurt Vile states: >is there some kind chicago soul out there who would be kind enough >to give lil'ol me a ride to milwuakkee on sat for fuk? > >or is there some kind milwuakkee soul who'd pick me up at the amtrak >station if it comes down to me havin' to take a train? This is a historic moment, folks. Kurt asking for a ride to a non-house event!? woo! I'm off to buy a powerball ticket... :) Andrew -- This email is (c) 1995, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com http://taz.hyperreal.com/~abennett/ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 19:52:00 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id TAA04655; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 19:52:00 -0800 Received: from relay3.UU.NET by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA04648; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 19:51:56 -0800 Received: from iglou.iglou.com by relay3.UU.NET with SMTP id QQyfcx17731; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:52:11 -0500 Received: from abennett by iglou.iglou.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #2) id m0rjfQ6-00020QC; Tue, 28 Feb 95 22:49 EST Message-Id: X-Sender: abennett@iglou.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:50:59 -0500 To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com From: abennett@iglou.com (Andrew Bennett) Subject: FUK fliers Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk That reminds me... I've got a limited number of flyers for the Midwestern FUK tour. If anyone would like *1* (I don't have that many), you can contact me. Basically, all I need is a self-addressed BUSINESS sized envelope. Email me. Don't post to the list. Andrew -- This email is (c) 1995, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com, abennett@iglou.com http://taz.hyperreal.com/~abennett/ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 19:55:30 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id TAA04970; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 19:55:30 -0800 Received: from oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA04964; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 19:55:27 -0800 Received: (from rmaslow@localhost) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.6.10/8.6.6) id WAA14229 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:55:29 -0500 From: Rebecca Jill Maslow Message-Id: <199503010355.WAA14229@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: thoughts of newbies To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:55:29 -7700 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1500 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ok...i was sitting here thinking about all of us, and about the list and vrave and our family, and i thought of something that kinda disturbed me. (i know, maybe i think too much, but i'm in college, that's what i pay to do here). ok, so here's my thought. we are a family...at least i believe that. but i go to a party and i meet somebody that tells me they are on the net, but i have never heard of them or seen a post from them or anything. now, i'm not saying they are less of a member or a net.raver or what-not, but what i am saying is it would be nice if they posted something, maybe even a "hi, my name is..." i mean, i know posting that first message is hard. you think, "oh god, are ppl gonna flame me? think i'm stupid?" but it's not hard. and i think it's great when i log on and see a message from someone saying, "ok, i'm new here" or "this is my first post, though i've been subbed for a while" i mean, come on...i know you are out there. post! say something! make your presence be known. :) i know i'm getting tired of seeing the same ppl post over and over again. :) let's get some new ideas here. ok? cool. now that that's settled. :) ok, enough from me. love ya. -becca/little elf ============================================================================== To love is one thing. To be loved is another. But to be loved by the one you love is everything. ============================================================================== From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 20:07:11 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id UAA05706; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:07:11 -0800 Received: from pong.rs.itd.umich.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA05700; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:07:07 -0800 Received: by pong.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.6.9/2.2) id XAA05855; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:04:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:04:12 -0500 (EST) From: SpaceFunk X-Sender: mudd@pong.rs.itd.umich.edu To: mw-raves Subject: envalope review Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk golly. Music was unbelivable with john williams putting on a performance. Tim baker was his usual genius. Eric haupts set inspired a following in the name of the eric haupt groupies.. Different set up made movement easier than last week. Unfortunatly this was the last party at the site becaause of the free press article. Four press ppl were in attendence along with a handfull of cops. on to the next spot. Roads made travel very interesting, happy that no one died. seems like the detroit ppl have been hush hush last couple of weeks..... The only lo point of the night was Rotator, who proved that breaks have no place in motown(good ridence)... anyway hope to catch every1 at FUK... Raph __________________________________________________________________________ _ mudd@um.cc.umich.edu < > \___/ ^+ +^ ' \_/ ' "God will bless you if you belive" ] / \ [ -Eddie 'Flashin' Fowlkes \|/ (|) + + __________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 20:25:53 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id UAA06632; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:25:53 -0800 Received: from ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA06627; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:25:50 -0800 Received: by ezmail.ucs.indiana.edu id AA14289 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:24:59 -0500 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:24:59 -0400 (EST) From: Wrok O Gibralterr Reply-To: Wrok O Gibralterr Subject: Sho stole the Show!!! To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Sorry this post is so delayed, but i have 4 exams this week and i needed a few days to calm down from some slammin' tunes...oops, then the message was sent to the old mw-raves address... ....Heartland.... ....I came in during cyberjive's set (i believe it was him right before Sho) around 12:40 or so. He laid down some cool tracks and got me movin' at a moderate pace. I really liked his pacing of the music. He built up the songs to a plateau and then went down gradually...down...up...great for building up the dance floor and keeping people going... I'll preface this by saying that i've seen/heard Sho a few times before and so i expected great stuff from him. And this time he met and exceeded all my expectations!! I could immediately tell when Sho finally took the tables, the sound/tempo and mood changed, the lights dimmed -- i think that only the blue lights were left on at first -- then the music took me in a strangle hold and wouldn't let go for the duration of his glorious and powerful set. I thrashed about like a crazed and maniacal fiend as he spun the greatest set in memory -- it was fast and hard, pounding and throbbing, crunching and distorted, wierd and brilliant, here and there I'd recognize a bit of something --a little plastikman thrown in i believe, nice touch -- i danced the whole time, even when getting a drink! ...When he finally ended, it was too soon, but probably a good thing too because i had expended so much energy that i might have had to slow down anyway, eventually. Sho took the music/dancing/atmoshere... to a different level than the other Dj's there (Though i missed the last set, by josh wink). I could definitely tell the difference from when one Dj ended his set and Sho began, and there was a major wall between his hard/dark/crazy set and the next guy's (King Britt) which I didn't get into at all. (he spun some slower, "prettier",happy- house stuff, which just didn't(doesn't move me). Thanks to the people who put this together ( i was kind of wondering about the location when the directions said it was next to McDondald's, and then when i saw the outside looked like a roller rink! -- but it was fine inside and lots o room, i probably couldn't have danced like a lunatic with much less room) and thanks Sho for rocking my world. James ****the Swammy**** ps anyone who hasn't seen Sho - you're missin out! From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 20:39:06 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id UAA07283; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:39:06 -0800 Received: from corn.cso.niu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA07278; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:39:03 -0800 Received: by corn.cso.niu.edu id AA08373 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:39:15 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:39:15 -0600 (CST) From: Sung Shim Subject: tribune article To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199503010337.TAA03742@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > I'm pictured in this article. It's hard to see me, but my face is > directly above the blond headed girl with her back to the cammera. > I'm starting to stand up and i am leaning on a wall. I'm also > wearing my white astrobay t-shrit (the janpanimation astroboy). > It's kinda hard to see me, but i'm there. > I liked how the cop said that they shut down the raves for > our heatlh (because the warehouse isn't safe), yeah right. Anyway > the pictures were taken at a party that was a week after new > years. I forget the name of the party but, it was free with a > can food donation. It was at 2200 diversity, if you were there. yeah, the party was Speed. Which of course, got busted early just as it was gettin goin. yeah i'm in the little b&w photo to the right of the real tall guy. cya at mil. fuk sung - -- (mRay) z943159@corn.cso.niu.edu From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 20:44:08 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id UAA07604; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:44:08 -0800 Received: from student5.cl.msu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA07596; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:44:05 -0800 Received: from [35.8.189.73] by student5.cl.msu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/MSU-2.10) id AA108654; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:38:57 -0500 Message-Id: <9503010438.AA108654@student5.cl.msu.edu> X-Sender: macqueen@student5.msu.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:43:48 -0500 To: mw-raves@taz.hyperreal.com From: macqueen@student.msu.edu (Matt MacQueen) Subject: Re: Detroit News+Free Press: "Rave Crave"! Cc: mudd@umich.edu Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk >Unfortunatly this artical will have a little greater impact than most ppl >think. I talked to the reporter at the after party for an extended >periiod of time and was gauranteed that that no names or locations would >be used in the artical. Lesson well learned.... NEVER talk to reporters, >don't give thme your name. This artical will secure a raid on the 1315 >site... so avoid it. We don't want the coverage. This will make things >difficult for promoters because the parties will turn into a media >circus. > Raph > You're sort of right here. It's sad. Often reporters prey on this kind of shit to boost their own muck-raking careers. I think we all know that (check the hyperreal "media" archives for conclusive evidence). It's gonna keep happening cause most reporters won't stick around long enough to really "understand" the culture, just long enough to write another "expose" about it. But look at it this way: if it forces the scene just "that much farther" back underground, the top layer of cheese will be skimmed off, and the scene/parties/muscians/DJ's will keep on going anyway... underground, deep underground -- but will continue nevertheless. You could never stop this movement of music and culture, no way. "They" could just make it more of a pain in the ass to do. And I think the music often reflects that, Detroit music especially. I'm *NOT* saying that this is a best case scenario, by any means! But let's face it, the "rave" culture or whatever you want to call it has been undulating between totally "secret" underground [one extreme] to corporate-sponsored tours of "big stars" [the other extreme]. Both have come in and out of vogue, and it's gonna happen again and again. [I feel the cheesey muse singing within me, bear with me on this last one] ;) It's like one huge sonic sinewave -- a massive waveform on low frequencey oscillation.... goes way up and then way deep down, ever so slowly. Repeat for centuries. peaceout. _______________________________________________________________________ Matt MacQueen more Kling Klang. Hypermedia & WWW Development Communication Technology Laboratory, Michigan State Univeristy _______________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 20:47:59 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id UAA07822; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:47:59 -0800 Received: from nccseq.noctrl.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA07813; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:47:56 -0800 Received: by nccseq.noctrl.edu (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0rjgKQ-0007nbC; Tue, 28 Feb 95 22:48 CST Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:48:01 -0600 (CST) From: Mike Virgilio Subject: just a warning To: posting ? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I just thought I should spread this..... IMPORTANT INFO ON COMPUTER VIRUS "GOOD TIMES". PLEASE DISTRIBUTE FURTHER. PLEASE READ THIS MESSAGE CAREFULLY! If you receive a mail message with the Subject "Good Times" DO NOT READ IT!! It contains a VIRUS that will wipe out your hard drive, and probably damage your computer by causing it to attempt an impossible task - and overheat. THE VIRUS IS ACTIVATED BY READING THE MESSAGE. If you receive such a message, make a note ON PAPER of who the message was from & send this information to MIS immediately. THEN DELETE THE SUSPECT MESSAGE IMMEDIATELY!!!! This virus originated from America On Line, and is propagated through the InterNet. The FCC recently released a warning concerning a matter of major importance to any regular user of the InterNet. Apparently, a new computer virus has been engineered by a user of America Online that is unparalleled in its' destructive capability. Other more well known viruses such as Stoned, Airwolf, and Michaelangelo pale into comparison to the prospects of the newest creation by a warped mentality. What makes this virus so terrifying, said the FCC, is the fact that no program needs to be exchanged for a new computer to be infected. It can be spread through the existing e-mail systems of the InterNet. Once a computer is infected, one of several things can happen. If the computer contains a hard drive, that will most likely be destroyed. If the program is not ADING IT!. The act of loading the file into the mail servers ASCII buffer causes the 'Good Times' mainline program to initialize and execute. The program is highly intelligent - it will send copies of itself to every one whose e-mail address is contained in a received-mail file or sent-mail file, if it can find one. It will then proceed to trash the computer it is running on. The bottom line here is - if you receive a file with the subject line 'Good Times', delete it immediately! DO NOT READ IT! Rest assured that whoever's name was on the 'From:' line was surely struck by the virus. If you have any questions regarding any of the above, please call Frank Neves on 908-234-7741. From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 20:48:46 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id UAA07891; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:48:46 -0800 Received: from corn.cso.niu.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with SMTP id UAA07882; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 20:48:43 -0800 Received: by corn.cso.niu.edu id AA08844 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com); Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:48:55 -0600 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:48:55 -0600 (CST) From: Sung Shim Subject: Raves/Touring To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199503010337.TAA03742@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk > In England and Europe, techno acts regularly play club dates. I'd > KILL to see the likes of Autechre, Mixmaster Morris, Black Dog > Productions, Underworld, or Speedy J live. To name a few. Or even > Underground Resistance, Carl Craig, etc etc. *swooon* you're not alone friend, i would kill to see the people whose music i listen to so often. i always cry when i flip through the brit papers and see listings of upcoming events.. whats this craziness i hear of about some show with CJ Bolland/David Holmes/Bandulu/Autechre and about a dozen others, i would pay hefty sums if something like that were to be imported over here. sung - -- (mRay) z943159@corn.cso.niu.edu From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 22:04:54 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id WAA11200; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:04:54 -0800 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id WAA11192; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:04:51 -0800 From: Andrew Bennett Message-Id: <199503010604.WAA11192@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: mac and cheez update 3/3/95 (fwd) To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:04:51 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 901 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk ** Mail forwarded by Andrew. Be sure to direct replies to the right place! >From mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Tue Feb 28 22:01:24 1995 Date: Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:00:02 -0800 From: Ellen Steuer Message-Id: <199503010600.WAA08226@ramona.cyborganic.com> To: digiworx@arbornet.org, mw-raves@hyperreal.com, steve@abraham.bader.org, tripperis@aol.com, uk02657@mik.uky.edu Subject: mac and cheez update 3/3/95 ok... here is the list of people i know that are coming the friday 3/3/95 from 6-9pm to my house for the mac and cheez fest and then off to the fuk preparty... blitz mouse tink ben ramylson keokee crisko mr jp darren dink spitfire fractal tim, marisa, katie, liz, and some others from my school and various other non netter milwaukeeans if you would like to come we would love to have you! just please let me know as soon as you can. thanks! ellen From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 22:14:00 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id WAA11575; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:14:00 -0800 Received: from umr.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA11569; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:13:56 -0800 Received: from rocket.cc.umr.edu (rocket.cc.umr.edu [131.151.1.141]) via ESMTP by hermes.cc.umr.edu (8.6.9/E.3.07) id AAA25719; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:13:57 -0600 From: Brian Volz Received: from (volz@localhost) by rocket.cc.umr.edu (8.6.9/M.3.01) id AAA09236; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:13:57 -0600 Message-Id: <199503010613.AAA09236@rocket.cc.umr.edu> Subject: St.Louis ? To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:13:56 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 153 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Just wanted to know if there is anything going on in St. Louis this weekend. If you know of anything e-mail me. thanks brian From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 22:31:08 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id WAA12516; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:31:08 -0800 Received: from earth.execpc.com by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA12506; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:31:05 -0800 Received: (from danimal@localhost) by earth.execpc.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id AAA19119; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:28:48 -0600 From: Daniel Wenders Message-Id: <199503010628.AAA19119@earth.execpc.com> Subject: Re: just a warning To: gsamcv@nccseq.noctrl.edu (Mike Virgilio) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:28:47 -0600 (CST) Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: from "Mike Virgilio" at Feb 28, 95 10:48:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 597 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk How stupid and gulible can people be.. I have seen this message on toher newsgroups a while a go and its all a big hoaks(sp). There is no such thing as an e-mail virus. This is posting is another one of those chain letter deals, those "quick cash" spammings you see. To my knowledge it is virtually IMPOSSIBLE to get a virus through a piece of mail. So if you see any message called good times from America Online (if that doesn't give you a clue about that message I don't know what will) please ignore it Its worthless, it doesn't mean a thing. Danimal- Email virus watchdog. :) ): From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 22:36:14 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id WAA12710; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:36:14 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA12705; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:36:11 -0800 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (dynamic@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.8) with ESMTP id AAA17051 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:36:11 -0600 Received: (dynamic@localhost) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.8) id AAA09856 for mw-raves@hyperreal.com; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:36:10 -0600 From: DynamicGroove Message-Id: <199503010636.AAA09856@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: fuk pre-party To: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:36:09 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1164 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk to those of you who might have missed the first posting... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Friday March 3rd, 1995friday march 3rd DynamikGroove invites you to a very special FukUTour Pre-Partyour Pre Party featuring Drop Bass DJ and Communique recording artist JEDIDIAH in his first ever *LIVE* performance also featuring extended sets from: DJ FIERCE MIND DRIVE Net Ravers no longer require an invitation (but if you already have one bring it) however you will have to make a reservation to recieve directions. directions will not be on the voice mail or publicly posted. call the voice mail and leave your name and number and i will call you back with directions or preferably respond by email and i will send them to you. 414-548-1973 dynamic@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu [if you have called the voice mail and have not been called back, we will contact you soon. (my roomate, who owns the voice mail,ail, changed the pass code while he was stoned and doesn't remember it. we'll have the code tomorrow hopefully. if not i'll be sure to get the info out by word of mouth in time for the party).] thanks, joe From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 22:43:23 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id WAA13035; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:43:23 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id WAA13028; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 22:43:19 -0800 Received: from alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (synergy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.2]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.8) with ESMTP id AAA17471; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:43:21 -0600 Received: (synergy@localhost) by alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.8) id AAA00512; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:43:21 -0600 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 00:43:21 -0600 (CST) From: "Brad Owen (Massive Magazine)" To: Midwest Raves , Lowlands , House Mailing List Subject: Synergy Needs Help (Please Read This) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk I am desperately in search of a few older titles from 1992. They are... The Nighttripper...Tone Exploitation 2 Fabiola...The Milkyway I will pay cold hard cash for these or I'll trade one or two of the following records... Curve...Falling Free (Original One Sider...Aphex Twin Remix) Analogue Bubble Bath Three (Original with Rephlex Records Guide To Cornwall included) Seefeel...Time To Find Me (Aphex Twin remixes...original pressing on Too Pure) Either the Red, Yellow, or Blue Indicator Ep's (Rephlex) Felix Da Housecat...Freakadelica (DJax) 69...Lite Music Ep (R & S) The Earthworm (DJ ESP)...Natural Glow Ep (Experimental) (Woody's third record) Thanks.... Brad -------------------------- ----------------------------------------- - - - Brad J. Owen (Synergy) - - --------- - - - - ------------- - - Quadrasonic Promotions - - --------------- - - Massive Magazine - - --- ------- --- - - - - - ----- - - - Milwaukee, Wisconsin - - --- - - - - - - - synergy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu - - - - - -------------------------- ----------------------------------------- From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 23:14:17 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id XAA14522; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:14:17 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA14517; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:14:12 -0800 Received: from alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (prodigy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.2]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.8) with ESMTP id BAA19147; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 01:14:15 -0600 Received: (prodigy@localhost) by alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.8) id BAA21442; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 01:14:12 -0600 Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 01:14:11 -0600 (CST) From: John sin Massive To: Andrew Bennett cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com Subject: Re: mac and cheez update 3/3/95 (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199503010604.WAA11192@taz.hyperreal.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk On Tue, 28 Feb 1995, Smellen wrote: > ok... here is the list of people i know that are coming the friday 3/3/95 from > 6-9pm to my house for the mac and cheez fest and then off to the fuk preparty... > > blitz > mouse > tink > ben > ramylson > keokee > crisko > mr jp > darren > dink > spitfire > fractal > tim, marisa, katie, liz, and some others from my school and various other non > netter milwaukeeans And a special guest appearence by none other than MYSELF! (crowd hushs) Hmm, there you go! Get to go to milwacky, see Plastikman, and watch me do some really fucking weird things with my body. Ain't that the shit.. Well I am sure you could find something better to do.. Anyways.. I doubt you cared in the first place.. laugh From mw-raves-owner Tue Feb 28 23:37:34 1995 Return-Path: mw-raves-owner Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) id XAA15819; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:37:34 -0800 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.10/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA15814; Tue, 28 Feb 1995 23:37:31 -0800 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (dynamic@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.169.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.8) with ESMTP id BAA20481 for ; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 01:37:33 -0600 Received: (dynamic@localhost) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.10/8.6.8) id BAA12406; Wed, 1 Mar 1995 01:37:30 -0600 From: DynamicGroove Message-Id: <199503010737.BAA12406@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: Re: fuk pre-party To: dynamic@csd.uwm.edu (DynamicGroove) Date: Wed, 1 Mar 1995 01:37:30 -0600 (CST) Cc: mw-raves@hyperreal.com In-Reply-To: <199503010636.AAA09856@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> from "DynamicGroove" at Mar 1, 95 00:36:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 262 Sender: mw-raves-owner@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk concerning some editing problems in my post: >Friday March 3rd, 1995friday march 3rd >DynamikGroove invites you to a very special >FukUTour Pre-Partyour Pre Party ^^^^^^^^ this is not a "fuck you tour pre-party" sorry about any misunderstanding :) *joe*