From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 1 07:41:12 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA26398; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 02:41:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA18269; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 01:39:48 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 01:39:48 -0600 Message-Id: <199411010741.CAA03839@london.physics.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sho@physics.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sho Kuwamoto To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: xanadone X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I'd like to thank everyone who showed up. You have all made me very very happy. :) I only wish that the weekend were still going on right now.... ..about the guy who bumped cosmic from the tables at the afterhours.. his name is andy and he goes by evol and he was bumped from the main room to the after hours.. we promised him the 4:00 slot at the afterhours, and I guess we also promised it to cosmic.. Things were very hectic, but this scheduling conflict was totally our fault and not his, so don't blame him. And while I'm flattered at all the thanks I've been getting, I'd like to remind you that the lion's share of the work in putting this event together was done by my housemate jay knight (flyingj@expert.cc). I just happen to be the one who likes to log into vrave and yak a lot so you know me better. He did all the hard stuff. Trust me. == WARNING: crazy mumbo jumbo follows == I know this is not logical, but I have this fantasy that our lives are all interconnected in ways that we cannot possibly understand, and that we have all been in a negative cycle as of late. I know that many of my close friends have been going through trying times, and although it is totally irrational, it seems to me more than coincidental that we should all be in the same slump. I am hoping that the success of events this weekend (xanadu, dee day, glow, etc. etc.) is a signal of better things to come. Whether or not this was the case, I hope all of you will take some time to consider what you can do to make your lives more whole and enriching, and then take the neccesary steps to make those changes become a reality. Take time out to care about yourself, and to make yourself a better person. At the same time, be sure that you are sensitive to the needs of people around you and that you spend as much time thinking about other people as you do thinking about yourself. Every nice thing you do for someone else comes back to you threefold. I honestly believe that. We are all unsatisfied with ourselves. That is the human condition. Visualize the person you want to be and take steps in that direction. You have the power to allow yourself to be that person. == crazy mumbo jumbo ends == One last thing before I go. I'd like to thank everyone for being so responsible this weekend. Too often, I see people viewing rave culture as a culture of excess.. The point is NOT to party until you fall down. The point is NOT to take as many drugs as your body will allow. The point is NOT to act as insane as possible. The point is to have fun and release some of that pent-up energy in a way which is harmonious with the rest of your lives. From what I can tell, this is exactly what happened. We all had fun, but we didn't kill ourselves in the process. You guys even picked up after yourselves! There was hardly any trash for me and Jay to collect! That is acting responsibly, and it is very important. :) You guys are great. You have made me very proud and very happy. Thank you. -Sho -- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm having for lunch! Sho Kuwamoto. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 1 08:07:27 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA26728; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 03:07:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA19588; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 02:04:36 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 02:04:36 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mudd@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dweezle Christ To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Raves this weekend. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO +8 is having a party in Detroit. Matt Hawkin,dbx,acid pimp,jamie hodge,mike dearborn djs. Email me for more info.... __________________________________________________________________________ _ < > \___/ mudd@um.cc.umich.edu ^+ +^ ' \_/ ' ] / \ [ \|/ (|) + + __________________________________________________________________________ On Mon, 31 Oct 1994, Archaeopteryx wrote: > Does anybody have a semi-clue of which rave they are going to this weekend? > I have a friend who wants to go to a rave and she wants to meet some of the > other netravers I told I didn't know which rave most of them are going to. > I myself was thinking of going to St. Louis but this is not a definate > possiblity.. > Thank you for your support. > > DTW > > Copyright 1994 D.T.W. Corp > All rights and lefts reserved. > > Oh Goody! My Alludium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator! > Sex is Hereditary, If your parents never had it chances are you won't either. > A Dream is a fleeting moment but, a Dream about You is Eternal. > ============================================================================ > ====== > A dreamer dreams of love it seems > he dreams of love and peace > I don't know why the dream must die > the moment it's released > but when I dream my favorite dream > I know it will live through > the reason why my dream won't die > is cuz it's loving you..... > ============================================================================ > ====== > > Danimal@Earth.Execpc.com > Compuserve ID: 74130,2137 > > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 1 08:32:11 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA26956; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 03:32:05 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA20707; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 02:31:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 02:31:07 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ctakacs@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ChuckiE To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Detroit? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Anything happening in Detroit this weekend? I've heard about only ONE event this weekend. Only ONE? Usually there are a few. If I am right and there are other evnts going on this weekend (Nov 4/5) then please let me and others know...PLEASE!? Have A GrOOvy Day!! ;-) - ChuckiE! =+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+== UCS Microsupport Technician ~Quote of the moment: UCS Virus Technician +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+----+ Bowling Green State University | LIFE: The Best adventure | Bolwing Green, Ohio. | anything could ever | =+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+== + experience!!! + You can contact me via...: | | e-mail: ctakacs@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu | RAVING: Better than life, | ctakacs@bgnet.bgsu.edu | itself. | eo089@cleveland.freenet.edu +---+----+---+---+---+---+---+---+ phone: 354-4059 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 1 08:46:47 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA27028; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 03:46:40 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA21304; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 02:45:29 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 02:45:29 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ctakacs@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ChuckiE To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Deep Inside X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I received this from a friend so all I know is what you see below: ------------- - DEEP INSIDE - ------------- A Weekly Dance Event in Cleveland, OHio --------------------------------------- *** Opening PARTY!!!! - Saturday November 5, 1994! ..Then every Saturday night!!! Located at 620 Frankfort (behind Johnny's Restaurant on W. Sixth St. - look for the blue light) - 19 & over please. 3C DJs: Damn It Spencer Deep DJs: Sleepy C Dan Curtin Tots Hope To SEE YOU There!!! Have A GrOOvy Day!! ;-) - ChuckiE! =+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+== UCS Microsupport Technician ~Quote of the moment: UCS Virus Technician +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+----+ Bowling Green State University | LIFE: The Best adventure | Bolwing Green, Ohio. | anything could ever | =+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+== + experience!!! + You can contact me via...: | | e-mail: ctakacs@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu | RAVING: Better than life, | ctakacs@bgnet.bgsu.edu | itself. | eo089@cleveland.freenet.edu +---+----+---+---+---+---+---+---+ phone: 354-4059 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 1 08:57:04 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA27092; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 03:56:58 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA21819; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 02:55:52 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 02:55:52 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ctakacs@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ChuckiE To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Akron Events X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO The following two events will take place in or near downtown Akron, Ohio: FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 4, 1994 TWEAK ----- DJs: Tartt (St. Louis) Synapse Sista Spinsta Shaft Spencer Location: the Attik in Akron, Ohio for more info call 216.971.9010 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOVEMBER 26, 1994 Reality Is Limited Imagination is Boundless.... IMAGINE Audio Navigators Keoki (Disco 2000/NYC) James Christain (NYC) DJ Odyssey (Subb-Toronto/Eternal) Sleepy C (Psychoactive-Deep/Eternal) Algo-Rhythm (Subb-Toronto) G-Wiz (Baltimore) More Info and DJ's to Come! For more info call 216.971.9010 Have A GrOOvy Day!! ;-) - ChuckiE! =+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+== UCS Microsupport Technician ~Quote of the moment: UCS Virus Technician +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+----+ Bowling Green State University | LIFE: The Best adventure | Bolwing Green, Ohio. | anything could ever | =+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+== + experience!!! + You can contact me via...: | | e-mail: ctakacs@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu | RAVING: Better than life, | ctakacs@bgnet.bgsu.edu | itself. | eo089@cleveland.freenet.edu +---+----+---+---+---+---+---+---+ phone: 354-4059 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 1 13:14:50 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id IAA29301; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:14:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id HAA29149; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 07:13:17 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 07:13:17 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: hcmk@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Holly Macdonald - Korth To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Detroit? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey now uh lets see coming this saturday is power and u should prolly call 810 258 grin ....and check local listings for more goings on here n detroit...for those that know i guess.. ----> and for those of u that wanna know... contact december third detroit be there...or not b there...and wish that u were...or something like that... ok enuff cheap plugs... *kiss* samme and hollee, er i guess that should b holly and sam but who cares... its all good ============================================================================== ___ ___ / /_/ / Holly C. MacDonald-Korth / __ / hcmk@umich.edu /__/ /__/CMK "I think I'm starting to peak now Al..." --Beastie Boys ============================================================================= On Tue, 1 Nov 1994, ChuckiE wrote: > Anything happening in Detroit this weekend? I've heard about only ONE > event this weekend. Only ONE? Usually there are a few. If I am right > and there are other evnts going on this weekend (Nov 4/5) then please let > me and others know...PLEASE!? > > Have A GrOOvy Day!! ;-) > > - ChuckiE! > =+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+== > UCS Microsupport Technician ~Quote of the moment: > UCS Virus Technician +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+----+ > Bowling Green State University | LIFE: The Best adventure | > Bolwing Green, Ohio. | anything could ever | > =+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+== + experience!!! + > You can contact me via...: | | > e-mail: ctakacs@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu | RAVING: Better than life, | > ctakacs@bgnet.bgsu.edu | itself. | > eo089@cleveland.freenet.edu +---+----+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > phone: 354-4059 > > > > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 1 15:21:08 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA01645; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 10:20:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA20673; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:14:58 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:14:58 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: pixel@crl.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "James P. Cooper" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Raves this weekend. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO well, I'll be here in St. Louis for Mystic Eye -- kinda convenient since I live here and all.....uhh, is anyone else coming down this weekend? if so, are any of you interested in a friday night party at my place? 1200s, lights, etc. email me if interested. pixel From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 1 15:26:30 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA01701; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 10:26:14 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA22369; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:23:44 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:23:44 -0600 Message-Id: <199411011523.JAA22219@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve J White To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Xanadu--2nd room at all X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO In a technologically-induced stupor, Shawn DeVries flatly stated... :: ::that would be Nitro from St. Louis (?) dunno about the address try nitro@theden.com ... if that's not correct let me know ... he gave me one of his business cards for his art/music/party company - stevenJ Lasciate ogni autonomia, steven j. white aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu voi che entrate! finger for PGP 2.6 public key From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 1 15:53:29 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA02080; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 10:52:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA27413; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:50:15 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 09:50:15 -0600 Message-Id: <01HIYNJALPO2009DHX@CC.DENISON.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MCMILL_C@CC.DENISON.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MCMILL_C@CC.DENISON.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Rave to the Middle of Ohio X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Ok, question. Could someone please give me the place where there would be a rave in the middle of ohio area. Anywhere from Dayton to Toledo to Columbus to Cleveland. Also, could anyone out there in happy land give me a name where who I could contact about setting up a rave. I think I know a great field where an outdoor party could be held, but not until the spring. The Utopistic Underground From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 1 16:42:36 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA02893; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:42:18 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA08251; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 10:39:19 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 10:39:19 -0600 Message-Id: <01HIYMJ17HMA002I8I@UWSTOUT.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: FLOREKT@UWSTOUT.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: FLOREKT@UWSTOUT.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: THANK YOU DEE-DAY X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well I hope everyone had fun wherever they were last weekend. I know I had lots of ass kickin, vibe feelin and any other type of good sensation you could think of. Dee-Day began as 5 raving friends embarked on a journey from a small college in Wisconsin. The 6 hour drive ended up taking about 8hr. due to all the stops we made on the way down. BY the time we got there we were all pretty getting on each others nerves. I, being the driver, was probably one of the worst and I wanted to say to Steve,Dave,Jillian and Hannah that I am sorry if I was a little upset driving through CHi town but we didn't seem to be getting anywhere fast and that was why I was getting upset......I hope I didn't bring you guys down too much. We finally got the directions to the map pointwhich we got lost trying to find but we happended to run into the point by mistake and a lucky one at that. We proceeded then to feast our selves at CHUCKY CHEESE. The tension was still there kind of bringing the mood down. Dee-day hour arrived and we got into line and waited to get in. I could feel the vibe eminating from the place and a sense of home came to me. Through out the night I was brought throughan emotional journey of what the Vibe could do. WOW what a feeling. The music kicked all ass and physical abused you as well. BUT it was worth ever minute of music that was pushed through those machines of sound. Listening to Lenny Dee and Ralphie Dee will never be the same. THE lighting of the place did nothing but multiply the mood and music that was hammer us like a god from above. I imposed us to leave around 6:30Am I know this was early but with 6hours ahead I wanted to start on the way. (I did forget about turning clocks back) So i am sorry again to all those who I affected becasue i would have stayed another hour if I would have known. I wanted to get back by 1:00 so I could sleep then study for an exam. Well we ended up tired and on the brink of ripping eachother to shredds. I hope everyone had fun at Dee-Day and if I spoiled the feelin for any- one that was with me I am truly sorry and I will try to make it up to all of you. I wanted to thank Drop-Bass for being part of the Rave that showed me the feelin of an enormous lovable vibe. It was my first major event since my first rave,MASSIVE new year's eve 1993 and It showed me that the vibe of the minblowing rave is still out there and alive.... Thank you For listening/Reading FREE CHEESE is yet to come keep watching... LOVE TO ALL SERVOT Tim Florek Florekt@UWSTOUT.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 1 17:12:36 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA03462; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 12:12:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA14473; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:08:47 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:08:47 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mudd@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dweezle Christ To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Detroit? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO in lieu of this weekened, the only parties this weekend that I know of is Power in Detroit and Voyager in New York(under the Brooklyn bridge!).. __________________________________________________________________________ _ < > \___/ mudd@um.cc.umich.edu ^+ +^ ' \_/ ' ] / \ [ \|/ (|) + + __________________________________________________________________________ On Tue, 1 Nov 1994, ChuckiE wrote: > Anything happening in Detroit this weekend? I've heard about only ONE > event this weekend. Only ONE? Usually there are a few. If I am right > and there are other evnts going on this weekend (Nov 4/5) then please let > me and others know...PLEASE!? > > Have A GrOOvy Day!! ;-) > > - ChuckiE! > =+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+== > UCS Microsupport Technician ~Quote of the moment: > UCS Virus Technician +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+----+ > Bowling Green State University | LIFE: The Best adventure | > Bolwing Green, Ohio. | anything could ever | > =+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+==+== + experience!!! + > You can contact me via...: | | > e-mail: ctakacs@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu | RAVING: Better than life, | > ctakacs@bgnet.bgsu.edu | itself. | > eo089@cleveland.freenet.edu +---+----+---+---+---+---+---+---+ > phone: 354-4059 > > > > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 1 19:02:30 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA06162; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 14:02:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA08181; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 12:56:40 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 12:56:40 -0600 Message-Id: <199411011854.AA01272@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: gmk40719@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Gregory M. Kus" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: thanks X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Thanks to everyone taht replied about Nitro in the second room... too many people to thank individually.. but tahnks again!!! -Greg OH.. yeah.. let's redo xanadu very very very very very cool. peace -- -Kus ~Living in the Circle of Illumination Between Night and Day~ _____________________________________________________________________________ Gregory M. Kus University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign gmk40719@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu CCSO Short Course Instructor NeXT Mail: gmk40719@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu gmk40719@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 1 19:42:44 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA07165; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 14:42:21 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA16862; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 13:37:09 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 13:37:09 -0600 Message-Id: <199411011939.OAA06654@london.physics.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sho@physics.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sho Kuwamoto To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: xanaddendum X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I know you are all sick of these posts, but I forgot to say one important thing. I need to thank the many net.people who helped us throw this event. Chuck, Jen, Sara, Jay, Shawn, Shannon, Jayvee... thanks for helping with the door. Jong, thanks for doing the badges. They are RAD. Rob, E, thanks for performing.. I can't wait to hear the tapes. Bambi, Dave, thanks for spinning. Devin, thanks for the mixer.. FrenchE, thanks for everything. One more thing.. It turns out that one of our tape decks was fuct and that some of the tapes I gave out only have one channel recorded (if you didn't get a tape from me, it's because I didn't give any more out after I realized this problem on Friday). If you have a defective tape, get in touch. If you didn't get one but want one (this is the same tape I've been giving out for a while), just get in touch. Peace.. You guys are groovy. -Sho -- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm having for lunch! Sho Kuwamoto. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 1 20:35:26 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA08472; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:35:05 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA29569; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 14:32:23 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 14:32:23 -0600 Message-Id: <01HIYV7ZNSJ6000NSY@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: 948191KF@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: 948191KF@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: This Sat in Green Bay-- Upside Down INFO X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey! If any of you are planning on coming up to Green Bay for Upside Down here is some info you might be interested in. The Directions will be posted Thursday afternoon. DJ SCHEDULE: 10-11 Phantom 45 11-12:15 Mindrive 12:15-2 ESP Woody McBride 2-4 T-1000 4-5:30 Deadly Buda 5:30-6:30 Diz 6:30-8 Spencer Kincy The doors open at 10-- please do not arrive early. We have rented a hall with hard floors (great for dancing on!) , a capacity of 1000 people, bathrooms, and free water. The cost will be $13.00. Badger will be doing our sound and lighting and Mark Zero will be doing film loops. This is legal-- the owner of the space we rented will be there and has all of the necessary permits. The space itself is 10 minutes west of Green Bay in the middle of cornfields. Again, THE DIRECTIONS WILL BE POSTED THURSDAY AFTERNOON. Email me with any questions or concerns. Kimm 948191kf@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 1 21:23:40 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA09740; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:23:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA10321; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:17:48 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:17:48 -0600 Message-Id: <9411012116.AA23657@aug1> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: allen@augsburg.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: HOME-bound??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO HOME: WWWOOOWWW WWWAAATTT AAA LLLIIINNNEEE---UUUPPP!!! Homie ESP, Carl Craig, (remember Bonkers?, or was it Vibe?-great set), Derrick Carter, Kevin Saunderson...on an on... what a list o' tAlent! I'm hypin' on this, but I don't see no wheels comin under my feet (sigh).... Anybody from Minneapolis or points South/West revved for this, wit an Xtra space??? PEECE --- Allen.para! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 1 22:38:38 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA11850; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:38:21 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA28995; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:35:42 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:35:42 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: upside down X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey everyone. i am just wondering who is going to upside down this weekend besides kimm and craig (duh). i am considering going and am not sure what i should do. i would have to be back in milwaukee for a hard core dress rehersal all sunday afternoon starting at 1:00 but if i can make it back i am willing to suffer:) i am kinda disappointed that it will be $13.00...sorry kimm but i am already annoyed that i didn't get my $5 costume discount at dee-day. i though t-1000 was really cool at infinite last spring and i wanna see him again:) anyway, i just wanna know who else is planning on being there...thats all:) thanks! l8r ellen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 1 22:41:46 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA11937; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:41:15 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA29608; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:38:12 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:38:12 -0600 Message-Id: <9411012237.AA13857@aufs1.cs.wisc.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: temmesen@aufs1.cs.wisc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: temmesen@aufs1.cs.wisc.edu (temmesen) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: whatever ya got... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hellohello. listen, Im going to make it short and sweet... does any one know who the hell is Graeme Park???? he was mentioned afew times in the past to me but I havent the foggiest. all I know is that he's a dj out of the UK... If you know who he is please let me in and tell me about him, whatever ya got... ghost -chris From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 1 23:42:21 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA15103; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 18:42:08 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA11626; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:38:20 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 17:38:20 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jeremy@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Daniel Millstein To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: it's all good... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I am embarrassed to know this, but it is in fact HAMMER who used the phrase as the tilte to his new album, using it repeatedly throughout. I haven't heard it and don't want to hear it, but I read it in a magazine because someone wrote in to complain how incessently he used it. luv daniel e On Mon, 31 Oct 1994, Jay R. Wells wrote: > doc sez: > > > > did you guys forget NITRO and his newly coined phrase... > > IT'S ALL GOOD > > doc > > noooooo...... > however, i DO remember snoop dogg saying the same thing last year... > > 'oooooohhh > it's a snoop doggy doggy world > out there > baby.... > > yeah!' > --soy loungy lounge > > xanadu review forthcoming.... > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< wells@physics.purdue.edu > > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 01:31:57 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA17908; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 20:31:46 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA29368; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:28:47 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 19:28:47 -0600 Message-Id: <199411020128.TAA29289@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: beatpunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: a question X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Just wondering which of you clueful folx out there can tell me anything about somebody goes by the name o "MC 242 FX". Showed up on some recent KMDFM and Excessive Force releases, and apparently our man Sacsha thinks he's pretty techno... any clue? ---------------------------beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu------------------------------ "And the further I get from the things that I care about The less I care about how much further away I get" -Robert Smith From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 04:16:04 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA21717; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 23:15:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA22958; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:14:11 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:14:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199411020413.WAA23920@ancho.gac.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: swaterbu@gac.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: swaterbu@gac.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: stuph from this side X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hello 8} first off... sorry i sent that messed up message ta the listserv oops ;} last night was minneapolis' halloween bash FRIGHT... i'm going to ask you to keep in mind that i was at DEE-DAY the day before so if i seem a little negative... well...there's just no comparison ;} one thing that FRIGHT had that was completely original (as far as my experince goes) was the location..... some warehouse where they make props for plays or somethin like that so basically the place came decorated with tons of larger-than-life wooden figures (like ginger bread men, toy soliders, and betty boop) they also had rad chill rooms one of which had a bunch of white trees in white pots with white snowflakes in the branches and over this was some trippy lighting AND the space had really nice bathrooms and a large, CLEAN sink that was easily accesable the price was right... $7 w/ costume the music... ah... coulda been better (see above ;} but drone's set was tasty (less reggae and more grooves ;} i only wish i coulda been less tired FRIGHT had potential but i had a hard time picking up a vibe when i could hardly stay awake ;P (we did get to meet THE most beautiful girl in raveland tho 8} ***snores ta yall****** <<^GUIDO^^>>>>> swaterbu@gac.edu............8} ps... our trip ta DEE-DAY wasn't_quite_as negative as tim put it ;} *hugs* From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 04:45:24 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA22324; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 23:44:52 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA27528; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:41:42 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:41:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199411020440.WAA23956@ancho.gac.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: swaterbu@gac.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: swaterbu@gac.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: live in MN...here's some fun X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO first... the real deal with SNAP ----------------------------------------- don knotts, black majik, and the sugar daddy present S N A P the 1st of the NEXXXT gatherings... nov 5th, 1994 minneapolis <<<<>>>>> his 1st appearance in mpls ===Gene Farris relief records chicago ===Miles Maeda chicago ===DJ Apollo don knotts-minneapolis ===DJ Alex Jarvis the sugar daddy ===Mr. E-Tones house-o-matic ===DJ Monte (not dj thorny thorny thornbush 8} 3, 4, 5, 6 do it! ^^^ hair by eric daly sound by 4d audio thoughts by jack handy load by capricorn N E X X X T Minneapolis (612) 458- 7206 ---come see the floating elvises--- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- (pre flyer) V A N D A L productions presents ""MAY FLOWER"" saturday nov 19 1994 minneapolis mn 612.649.4575 612.659.6319 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (pre flyer) C E L E S T I A L G R O V E S funky ass dance BEATS nov 25 1994 DEE-JAYS TBA USUAL PRODUCTIONS----------1.800.803.8520 mpls minnesota ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- done ;} <<^GUIDO^^>>>>> swaterbu@gac.edu..............8} From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 04:48:37 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA22440; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 23:48:26 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA28306; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:45:58 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:45:58 -0600 Message-Id: <199411020445.XAA17147@rodan.rs.itd.umich.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: danabeer@d.imap.itd.umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: danabeer@d.imap.itd.umich.edu (Dana Hanselman) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: stuph from this side X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO First time posting to this server so if this is really ignorant of me, I haven't been flamed for a while so fire up. I go to University of Michigan in Ann Arbor and I've been reading about the rave scene in alt.drugs and alt.rave a little bit and I'm wondering how someone generally finds these places... I saw the Rave WWW server and it said Ann Arbor had raves at Delta Tau Delta, that seemed a little non-ravish to me. In fact I'd say kind of a strange contrast rave/frat boy party. Basically my question is where or how far would I have to go to experience a REAL rave and if I did would I want to be on X, or acid or just bring a portapak of nitrous oxide or what? Any information is and always will be appreciated. Thanks, Dana "Don't Tread On Me" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 05:27:16 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA23101; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 00:27:01 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA04580; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 23:25:20 -0600 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 23:25:20 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: D-DAY Review.. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well here is my review.. Sorry it was short but well I think you will understand. When I got there well Delta 9 was playing... THe place was hot and packed. I really didn't know what to think. The main thing was just getting in because I had NO $$$ so I headed to the guestlist table to see what was up. Well she asked the questions and I answered them right, I guess so on I went in.. Scoped the place out, the gabber prison was huge and evil.. I got into the mood real fast. Bought my E and well just checked out the place.. The house room was intense! Never saw such a diversified crowd. I guess that is House for you. Usually I am attracted to gabber, but tonight, it was nothing but house. Lennd dee was spinning when I made my way to the gabberhell house. It was old and hard. I went out side did my drugs. FROM HERE ON WE DON'T DISCUSS WHAT HAPPENED FOR AHH 3 HOURS! - Psst I was in the Vix, ahem I mean House, room... ON the floor, :)) When I emerged, still in a nice 3 inch coating of Vix, The Plastikman himself was fucking the place up. He would slowly creep the EQs down then just put them all up making as though the beat just crashed into the warehouse. Like a plane crashing sort of. Over all, this party was a success. I just have a concern to the promoters.. When you have over 1000 hits of E going to be dropped on a party.. I think you should be concerned about water.. Why, cause there wasn't any!!! That is about it. Basically a good drug experience on my part, so it could have been anything for you.. later John Sin MASSIVE ____ _ ___ ___ 0 John Drefahl / PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU 0 ____ _ ___ ___ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 Strength in Numbers (SiN) Magazine 0 <_ <_><_>| \ | <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0----------------------------------------0 <_>__>|_||_|\__| 414.777.3994 0 "Feel The Bass Come Down On You" 0 414.777.3994 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 06:34:36 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA24469; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 01:34:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA11431; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 00:33:14 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 00:33:14 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: synergy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Bradley John Owen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: add to calendar - rhythm X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO November 26th in da beautiful metropolis of Minneapolis Color X presents ------------------------------- - - - RHYTHM - - - ------------------------------- Featuring the vinyl Sounds of: --Wade Randolph Hampton-- --------Synergy-------- --------Waxee-------- ------E Tones------ ------Earth------ --Alex Jarvis-- watch this space for a voice mail connection rock it like dat From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 07:37:48 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA25258; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 02:37:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA14709; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 01:36:28 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 01:36:28 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: keg1@cec.wustl.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Kris Ellen Grotelueschen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: this weekend in st louieee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hello all :) there is quite a bit happening in st louis this weekend. . . so drop on in! the list: thursday---JUSTIN LONG and TRAXX at felix's 1405 washington avenue midnite onward 3 dollars friday----pixel's net gathering ----MARK FARINA, JEFF FELLER, and ASTROBOY location is tba, possibly felix's again. . . (i should know soon, still checkin' some stuff) midnight till??? 7 dollars @ the door saturday--MYSTIC EYE there's an e flier on the calandar for this it's gonna be sehr cool, you should come!! sunday----MYSTIC EYE AFTER HOURS CHIP B TREVOR MYsTIC BILL TROBE TRAXX ASTROBOY begins at 6 am at felix's. .1405 washington $3 at the door covers breakfast and all and for those who never sleep. . . sunday evening----ASTROJAZZ featuring (guess who) ASTROBOY at (guess where) felix's (if you don't know the address by now you haven't been reading very closely) fee is only $2.99 and you get this cool painted penny for change!! a couple of other notes for those interested 1) felix's # is 314.241.3359 2) the astrojazz thing, as well as a wednesday night ASTROWORLD, are going to become weekly events at felix's--check them out if you have any questions, or need st louiee crash space mail me love and hugs!! electric k From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 08:01:25 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA25483; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 03:01:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA15754; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 02:00:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 02:00:02 -0600 Message-Id: <9411020149.D3658we@theden.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: nitro@theden.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: nitro@theden.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: It was AWWWWWWLLLLL goood... :) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO o.k.lots of stuff to reply to so a-here we go: First of all BIG thanks to Jen for letting us stay at her humble abode... Not alot of sleep was gotten but such is life.. :) and by the way.. if you DO come down for Mystic Eye PUH-LEASE bring Mindy's sweatshirt.. :) More phat thanks to Sho for letting us come out and party with him... Of course you know, sir, that you shall be my guest at any dp event... ->> >> did you guys forget NITRO and his newly coined phrase... ->> >> IT'S ALL GOOD ->That phrase was formed by Mystic Bill and Cody Hudson at Furthur. hey. I dunno.. I heard it from a guy in st.l and repeated it in indiana.. what can I say? [shrug] Thanks to Sho for giving me a chance to spin in the 2nd room.. I had a BLAST!.. :) BIG props out to Leigh and Pixel - two people who are going to kick St. Louis's ass QUITE hard very soon... Thanks to everyone who liked my set... I REALLY appreciate it... Thanks as well to all the people I forgot... the crew at goodwill who assisted in my dress purchase... EVERYONE in indiana who made me have an AWESOME time... btw: Smart bar tip #21: No matter how good of an idea it seems... DON'T SNORT UTOPIA! -/\/- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 08:11:13 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA25556; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 03:11:08 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA16304; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 02:09:49 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 02:09:49 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: pixel@crl.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "James P. Cooper" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: It was AWWWWWWLLLLL goood... :) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > BIG props out to Leigh and Pixel - two people who are going to kick St. > Louis's ass QUITE hard very soon... *blush* > > btw: Smart bar tip #21: No matter how good of an idea it seems... DON'T > SNORT UTOPIA! heh...and I guess I'll add #22: no matter what your roomate says, DON'T CHEW METNAL EDGE (foulest taste in existence...doesn't keep you awake either....) pixel From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 08:54:51 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA25878; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 03:54:45 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA17817; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 02:53:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 02:53:45 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: keg1@cec.wustl.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Kris Ellen Grotelueschen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: this weekend in st louieee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Wed, 2 Nov 1994, Kris Ellen Grotelueschen wrote: > there is quite a bit happening in st louis this weekend. . . > > > the list: > > thursday---JUSTIN LONG and TRAXX > at felix's 1405 washington avenue > midnite onward > 3 dollars > add to this date DEVIL GIRL!!!!! (yeah leigh) love ya all electric k From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 09:12:06 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA26061; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 04:11:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA18449; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 03:08:55 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 03:08:55 -0600 Message-Id: <9411020908.AA08904@mik.uky.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: uk02657@mik.uky.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: jerry marvin haws To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: need 2-4 valiant workers to hit green bay this weekend X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey there. going to green bay this weekend, but have a sudden urge to spend a fourth of your time sitting behind a table full of tapes and t-shirts? well, the Delirium crew that was going to Upside Down has performed the action known as "flaking out". So if you're interested in going to the show for free and possibly even making some money (15% of the ill-gotten gains) then email me or something. Sorry to post this to the list, but I figure netravers are basically cool folk who might dig the opportunity... and the ill-gotten gains in general will be used to do this strange party thing in ky for valentine's weekend. responses to j2 apologize for bandwidth wastage From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 10:37:09 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id FAA26705; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 05:36:55 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA20467; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 04:33:03 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 04:33:03 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: barnetjr@ucunix.san.uc.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jenifer A Barnett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: evolution in louisville X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey folks, It seems that the e-flyer for the evolution party in louisville did not make the list, so here are the details. TRILOBITE TURNTABLES (all I can say about the name is ya gotta see the flyer) DJS HYPERACTIVE ASTROBOY jAMES JOHNSON BEN MAN LEVIATHAN THOME TOMATO (oh btw the way for people who xpressed concerns over mr tomato he is only spinning and NOT invovled with the party DClark Sean and Kasi MIckey THe date is Friday Nov. 11 1994 Evolution will be continuing our policy of net-ravers free, although we do ask that you bring a paying friend if possible, to be on the guest list please e-mail this address. This is the temporary e-residence for ImsmartRU and evolution. Also there has been a slight change in Evolution: Teknosaurus unfortunately terry will not be able to make it but replacing him we have ..... MIke Huckaby :-). here are the revised set times in the main room (there will be second room of house and ambient.) 10-12 dieselboy 12-2 lenny d 2-4 mike huckaby or scott henry 4-6 mike huckaby or scott henry (kinda depends on what they feel like spinning.) 6-8 mark farina :-) (NOTHING like a little acid jazz and tribal to welcome the sun.) its about peace and love tim ,from jen's account From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 12:10:12 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id HAA27415; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 07:09:57 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id GAA24182; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 06:06:15 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 06:06:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199411021206.HAA27372@great-miami.iac.net> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: quest@iac.net Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: quest@iac.net (Johnny Quest) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: A party called "House" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey!! Sorry we were late in announcing this, but coming up this weekend in Oxford, OH (Between Dayton and Cinci) is going to be A Party Called House. This is at our House and is a House party.. It is a college town and what college town house wouldn't have a name.. Our house's name is simply 'House' Here's who's spinning! ALL NET DJ's!! DJ Doc DJ Triptonite DJ Johnny Quest DJ *Cosmic* DJ DREW Plus maybe a few more people on open tables.. For info call 513.350.4989.. Oh! It's Saturday, Nov. 5th... We'll post directions probably tomorrow.. (When we figure out the best way..) Andrew, maybe you could help, I give bad directions.. If you have any questions call the number and leave a message or write me at quest@iac.net! Thanx! Laters -- |O|=======================================================================|O| |O| / /\ is quest@iac.net President of : /|_|_ (r) |O| |O| \/ohnny \\uest /-|R|WORX |O| |O| --------------- 513.524.3403 | | |O| |O| -- finger quest@iac.net for info! -- (_)NLIMITED |O| |O|=======================================================================|O| From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 12:48:54 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id HAA27852; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 07:48:46 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id GAA25752; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 06:45:13 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 06:45:13 -0600 Message-Id: <199411021244.GAA25711@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: THELME00@UKCC.UKY.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: tim To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: MW-RAVES digest 195 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i didn't notice, as i haven't been keeping up with the digest lately...just been skimming it...but did anyone happen to mention that Dieselboy ain't gonna be at Evolution II anymore? When they re-scheduled, it conflicted with an event in Baltimore at which he was already spinning. Just to let you know if it had not yet been posted. in case anyone was going for him. looks good to me anyway. later. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 16:02:58 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA01848; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:02:47 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA21501; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 09:57:07 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 09:57:07 -0600 Message-Id: <199411021556.HAA18710@taz.hyperreal.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: abennett@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Bennett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: A party called "House" X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Johnny Quest said :: > > We'll post directions probably tomorrow.. (When we figure out the best > way..) Andrew, maybe you could help, I give bad directions.. Oxford's lifeline to the world is US 27. I think 27 goes north towards Muncie or thereabouts, and either exit 33 or 36 off of I-275 in Cincinnati [it's between I-74 and US 127 on the NE side of town]. Either way, take US 27 into Oxford. At Main Street, there is a light at the intersection, with a Wendy's and a Skyline Chili. Turn south towards Wendy's / Skyline on Main St. The address is 105 Linwood, which is a small, probably un-marked street that is on the right side (west side) of Main. The house sits way back off of Main. If you pass Village Green Apts, you've gone too far. And if you go over the railroad tracks, you went way too far. Their house number is 513.524.3403, and the pager is 513.350.4989. I hear rumblings of two rooms, two sound systems, and whatever else they think up before then. Pack 'em in! Indiana <---- ------------------------------- US 27------| | | | Cincy V | Main St | | | | | Linwood ----| | X | | N | | ^ vill Gr| | | | | | | ..|.RR tracks here | | . \ ---------------------------------------------- . | | ASCII maps suck almost as bad as leading a automobile caravan Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 16:15:30 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA02076; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:15:04 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA23892; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:08:15 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:08:15 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: greetings to you all! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO dan, ben, jonah, shannon & tonya InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 16:42:47 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA03851; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:42:38 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA00585; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:37:27 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:37:27 -0600 Message-Id: <199411021637.AA040944230@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: dps927@nwu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: dps927@nwu.edu (david siska) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: free nature? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO it was a good feeling to meet some of you at dee-day. i think the multiple smart bar thing was a conspiracy to foil the net-meet ;) sorry i don't have a handle for y'all to remember me by... with a name like mine, it's almost an essential. but anyway, what is the chicago event (aka: event for the car-impaired) of choice for this weekend? i was thinking about nature (the pricetag is cool) but really, i'd be willing to pay for a stronger vibe IF nature's is forecast to be lame. any speculations? d8) dave From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 16:49:26 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA04048; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:49:12 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA02429; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:45:36 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:45:36 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: achud@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andy Chud To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Mosaic X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Who do I send a message to about adding a link to my mosaic page on MW-RAVES pages? If someone here can do it, my page is: http://www.cs.tulane.edu/www/Chud [=========================================================================] [ Andy Chud [] Upcoming Event: UNITY Saturday Nov. 19th ] [ DJ LoST BoY [] For more information, send me mail ] [=========================================================================] "And, you see, no one man owns house because house music is a universal language, spoken and understood by all." - Fingers From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 17:45:34 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA05232; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 12:45:09 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA13066; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:31:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:31:11 -0600 Message-Id: <9411021729.AA16204@mik.uky.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: kjsmoc00@mik.uky.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: kimberly j smock To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: North Carolina? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey all-----Big old shout/request for record stores in Winston-Salem North Carolina or anywhere along the way from Lexington,Kentucky :) *hugs*etc..... -Kimberly From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 19:52:54 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA11115; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:52:46 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA12944; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 13:34:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 13:34:45 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jwelch@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MrJP To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: stuph from this side X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Tue, 1 Nov 1994, Dana Hanselman wrote: > In fact I'd say kind of a strange contrast rave/frat boy > party. Basically my question is where or how far would I have to go to > experience a REAL rave and if I did would I want to be on X, or acid or > just bring a portapak of nitrous oxide or what? > > Any information is and always will be appreciated. > > Thanks, > Dana > > "Don't Tread On Me" > > Rave isn't about drugs....... MrJP From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 20:27:12 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA12089; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 15:27:00 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA21433; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:09:37 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:09:37 -0600 Message-Id: <199411022008.OAA21065@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: beatpunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: The smart bar dilemma X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO An aside to the chaotic din: The Hitchhiker's Guide says: When confronted by multiple smart bars whilst preoccupied with meeting a large group of people at one but uncertain as to WHICH one the metting is to take place at, always opt for the largest, or, failing that, the one surrounded by the most attractive members of the opposite sex. ---------------------------beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu------------------------------ "And the further I get from the things that I care about The less I care about how much further away I get" -Robert Smith From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 21:12:46 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA13705; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:12:31 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA02472; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:50:57 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:50:57 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ0CH7YKEA00DM2F@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: PEHALL@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: PEHALL@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Late Xanadu Review X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I don't post A lot so bare with me if I mess up :) I know this is late but my mail server has been kinda on the fritz. I just want to say WOW!! Sho the entire thing rocked Big props go out to JAY knight as well for helping sho out with all the planning. OK on with the review Astroboy---I never heard him before but I was impresed. I guess impressed is kind of a lame word. He ROCKED. !!! I loved it. I spent most of the time just watching him Dave Hollands__-- HOLY SHIT!!! I think I'm gonna be def. Speaker ith everyone was a blast. The LOVE PIT was rocking and the Drop Trou Network was the best. I'm sorry I ddidn't join in but dancing around in my whiteys would have felt a little strange Dave thoroughly impressed me that night. I can never stop dancing when he spind this system will only let me put up short lettrs so laterz. I had a blast. hiugging goodbye to all. Shouts out to SHO, Jay knight, jen , sara, chuck, jay, cosmic, devin, andreww, leigh, shawn, kyle, tigger, johnny quest, doc, cathead, and eanyone eslse I can't remember. MUCH LOVE and ALOHA .....pat ...pehall@indyvax.iupui.edu ..."bluerazzberry blowpop From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 22:33:57 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA15826; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 17:33:46 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA24891; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:15:00 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:15:00 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MiCKeY HoNMyHR To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: gabber gabber n thanks.. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO THANK YOU ELLEN!!!! i loved the letter and article. you totally made my day..aslo tons o thanks for all the e-letters. ya'll are THE BEST!!! yay i am on the road to recovery and back on the list. soo.... please send your thoughts on gabber to me.. good or bad. what is gabberhouse? where does it originate from? what do you like/dislike about it? yup yup. it is yet another music paper. YAY!! if you don't want me to use your name let me know otherwise i give credit where it is due. i love ya'll oodles and oodles mouse!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- M I C K E Y H O N M Y H R "open up your worried world and let me in" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 22:56:31 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA16279; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 17:56:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA29017; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:31:42 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:31:42 -0600 Message-Id: <9411022230.AA10229@aug1> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: allen@augsburg.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Self Defense For Ravers - Part 1 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >Date: Tue, 1 Nov 94 15:00:07 PST >From: lxfogel@srv.PacBell.COM (Lee Fogel) >To: sfraves@hyperreal.com >Subject: Self Defense For Ravers - Part 1 >Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com >Precedence: bulk > > >Recent attacks on ravers from PLUR-challenged elements of our society >has left many of us feeling frightened and helpless. When hugs and >smiles fail to disarm antagonism from the vibe-impaired, ravers only >need to be aware of the powerful arsenal already at their disposal. > >Self Defense Tips For Ravers - Part 1 - RAVER WEAPONRY > >Bean Bag Chairs - can be used as an assault weapon. Toss at approaching >assailant to confuse or temporarily disable. Can be used to absorb blows. >Will deflect bullets if filled with pennies or lead weights. > >Blow pops - sharpen the stick end. When threatened, slowly remove >blowpop from mouth, then thrust stick end forward into assailant's stomach >or groin area. > >Vinyl Records - With some practice, you can learn to toss records >frisbee style at assailant's neck area for beheading purposes. Do >not practice near friends. > >Whistles - Can be used to startle and infict hearing pain to oncoming >assailants. Note: Although whistles are sometimes used as a distress >signalling device, most of your fellow ravers will flee from the sound >of them rahter than come to your aid. > >Flyers - Stacks of smaller ones can be thrown in the face of an assailant >to blind them. The large commercial ones can be used to inflict a serious >paparcut. > >Water Bottles - these too make good throwing weapons; even better if >filled. > >Blinking lights - wave slowly in front of assailant to hypnotise them. >If that fails, throw. > >Speaker cabinets - 2 or more ravers needed to lift and throw. Get >permission from owner of sound system first. > >Sound System - recent experiments have demonstrated that certain sound >frequencies can be tuned to resonate and rupture internal organs. DJs >should always carry a few records with such sounds at renegade parties. >Do not mix these up with normal record collection. Aim speakers at >antagonists, play at normal volume. > >------- > >- leg of eel > > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 23:06:01 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA16552; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:05:46 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA01308; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:42:39 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:42:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199411022224.WAA23515@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: stuph from this side X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO jwelch@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu: >On Tue, 1 Nov 1994, Dana Hanselman wrote: > >> In fact I'd say kind of a strange contrast rave/frat boy >> party. Basically my question is where or how far would I have to go to >> experience a REAL rave and if I did would I want to be on X, or acid or >> just bring a portapak of nitrous oxide or what? >> >> Any information is and always will be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, >> Dana >> >> "Don't Tread On Me" > >Rave isn't about drugs....... ..but the majority of people that I've ever seen at one are on them. For me, the light didn't go on in my head untill I went to raves on drugs. Yes, I've gone to parties straight, but I greatly prefer to be on something. To Dana, I'd say to bring with you something that you enjoy doing, in an amount that won't weird you out or take you too far. Experience the party sober for a while. Talk to people. Listen, look, and enjoy. Then, if you feel comfortable enough and the desire is still there, indulge. I feel that it's all about truly being who you want and doing what you want, as long as you don't mess with others. If you're a drug user and like doing drugs, then do so. If not, don't. YMMV, of course. :-) -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 23:16:51 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA16680; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:16:43 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA05272; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:59:47 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:59:47 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mudd@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dweezle Christ To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: stuph from this side X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO in relation to the frat-rave: That's just what it was. The concept was neat, and the DJ's were good, but the people were pathetic. Let's face it, frat people have no idea what it's all about. Not necessarly drugs, but the attitude. The attitude there was that of a frat party(ie everyone was an asshole). __________________________________________________________________________ _ < > \___/ mudd@um.cc.umich.edu ^+ +^ ' \_/ ' ] / \ [ \|/ (|) + + __________________________________________________________________________ On Wed, 2 Nov 1994, Craig L. Stodolenak wrote: > jwelch@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu: > > >On Tue, 1 Nov 1994, Dana Hanselman wrote: > > > >> In fact I'd say kind of a strange contrast rave/frat boy > >> party. Basically my question is where or how far would I have to go to > >> experience a REAL rave and if I did would I want to be on X, or acid or > >> just bring a portapak of nitrous oxide or what? > >> > >> Any information is and always will be appreciated. > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Dana > >> > >> "Don't Tread On Me" > > > >Rave isn't about drugs....... > > ..but the majority of people that I've ever seen at one are on them. For > me, the light didn't go on in my head untill I went to raves on drugs. > Yes, I've gone to parties straight, but I greatly prefer to be on > something. > > To Dana, I'd say to bring with you something that you enjoy doing, in an > amount that won't weird you out or take you too far. Experience the party > sober for a while. Talk to people. Listen, look, and enjoy. Then, if you > feel comfortable enough and the desire is still there, indulge. I feel > that it's all about truly being who you want and doing what you want, as > long as you don't mess with others. If you're a drug user and like doing > drugs, then do so. If not, don't. > > YMMV, of course. :-) > > -- > Craig L. Stodolenak > archon@acid.com > > > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 2 23:19:58 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA16745; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:19:47 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA05405; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 17:00:23 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 17:00:23 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mudd@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dweezle Christ To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Power correction X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO A correction about Power in detroit this wkend. This is NOT a +8 party(like th Jak parties). All other info is correct. my bad. raph __________________________________________________________________________ _ < > \___/ mudd@um.cc.umich.edu ^+ +^ ' \_/ ' ] / \ [ \|/ (|) + + __________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 00:17:43 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA18093; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:17:21 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA18618; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:03:52 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:03:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199411030003.SAA22469@chihuacle.gac.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: swaterbu@gac.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: swaterbu@gac.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: new years...FUTURE X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO the D I S C O F A M I L Y P L A N invites you into the FFFFF U U TTTTT U U RRR EEEEE F U U T U U R R E FFF U U T U U RR EEE F U U T U U R R E F UUUU T UUUU R R EEEEE december 31st in MINNEAPOLIS MN <<>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ESP NICK NICE T-1000 HYPERACTIVE MIND DRIVE MERLIN MR. BILL E-TONES ROZ DRONE ALEX APOLLO EARTH ****************************************************************************** much much bass +sound and atmosphere design by 4d+ 360degrees of far out light deelies +this is a pre flyer+look outside+ +special commemorative 7" record release on communique records usa "speed o light"+ the westernmost outpost of a unified midwestern tri-city celebration MPLS+CHICAGO+MILWAUKEE 6 1 2 . 9 4 6 . 5 9 3 8 NEW YEARS EVE 1994 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> a 12 hour marathon of pure fun! M I N N E A P O L I S PSCENIC seeing feelings bloom. this event enjoys support from... -generator records detroit -the order of the trance -contact records chicago -cynesthasia -drop bass records -nexxxt -communique records -underground construction records celebrating how far we've come... and how far we've yet to go -please no alcohol-peace <<------------------------------------------>> *whew* <<^GUIDO^^>>>>> swaterbu@gac.edu................8} From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 00:23:39 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA18202; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:23:11 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA19962; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:09:35 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:09:35 -0600 Message-Id: <9411030014.AA15293@blackhawks.d2.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: fixer@d2.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: fixer@d2.com (Robert Smith) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: stuph from this side X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Reprinted without permission from: Dweezle Christ [ [ [in relation to the frat-rave: That's just what it was. The concept was [neat, and the DJ's were good, but the people were pathetic. Let's face [it, frat people have no idea what it's all about. Not necessarly drugs, [but the attitude. The attitude there was that of a frat party(ie [everyone was an asshole). [ Heh...Last winter I threw a techno & house party at a U-M frat house. It went off so well, all of the frat members went to their rooms and we had the house to ourselves. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ fixer@d2.com is Robert Smith Digital Domain phone: 310/314-2920 300 Rose Avenue fax: 310/314-2866 Venice, CA 90291 _____________________________________________________________________________ "I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of gum" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 00:25:59 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA18262; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:25:37 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA20465; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:12:03 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:12:03 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: synergy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Bradley John Owen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: stuph from this side X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Raves sure as hell are about drugs. Anyone who says otherwise is just trying to be idealistic and closing their eyes to the truth. Raves, however, should not be about drugs. I don't use drugs (never have and don't plan on it)...but since I began going to raves, I've seen the focus go from a whole crazy diverse group of people getting together and dancing in out of the ordinary places to music they won't hear anywhere else...to a specialized group of kids who take drugs and start cliques. This might have something to do with over zealous promoters throwing shit ass parties and using their status to sell drugs. I only go to parties that I'm playing at or that have some particular attraction to me (like an exceptional DJ or live performance). I frankly have no desire to be apart of rave politics and nonsense...I'd much rather go to a movie with my girlfriend...hit a small house party with a small and intimate dancefloor (I would have to say that Andi P's little basement gathering was one of the funnest things I've been to in a long time) or something else that I can look back upon and say that I honestly enjoyed. Unfortunately, writing a magazine that relates to underground dance music often forces one into the game of rave politics...it's all kind of silly, immature, and just plain unnerving. I can't wait to see how many people deem me asshole for this one. Brad-Synergy-Quadrasonic Promotions-Massive Magazine From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 00:38:29 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA18541; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:38:09 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA24921; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:34:03 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:34:03 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: stuph from this side X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Yeah, I have to agree with Brad on this one. Raves are becoming about drugs, but I don't believe that it is the raver's fault. I believe that we, in the milwaukee scene, are kinda in a jam. Our main promoter is an E dealer. To be honest, if it wasn't for his parties and label, I doubt Milwaukee would have as much recognition as it does. That is where the squeeze is. The parties that are thrown from a raver's aspect are for the good of the scene, as for the promoter his main concern is to get as many people to the party in order to sell as much E as possible so he can make payments on his porsche! :) I can understand what Brad has to say about writing for a magazine. I must admit that I am a newbie to the Massive scene but I have found myself getting caught up in rave politics because of my association with Massive. If you live in Milwaukee and know what is going on, you will know exactly what I am talking about. I am not going to post it because I really think it has been over played enough. The fact of the matter is that two particular groups have stopped talking to each other. This has inturn made it particularly hard to deal with certain people. Thank god I just do layouts, my voice can't be judged! I can only look bad next to Cody. later all.. Rave for yourself and not for the masses. Just because everyone else does drugs, doesn't mean you should. I will do them because it is my choice, I won't do them because others do. It is all in your hands.. You decide what your motive is and go through with it, you can't let everyone make decisions for you. Make them for yourself, because only you can know what makes you truely happy. John - SiN - Massive Massive - Issue 7 (the 1 year birthday issue) will be out on Saturday SiN - Issue Number 1 will be out in two weeks. ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 01:15:29 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA19564; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 20:13:54 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA29317; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:59:33 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:59:33 -0600 Message-Id: <9411030059.AA02857@mik.uky.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: kjsmoc00@mik.uky.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: kimberly j smock To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: North Carolina bound girl X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well Mr. Bill...............tis a pleasure to get a reply considering this is my first post. Kinda new to the whole scene but feel very much a part of it.... unity and alllllllll. There's a certain warm fuzzy feelin' the morning you come back from (a rave) after the music compelled you to MOVE and you met people you feel like you've known for years.......suppose you can relate............... Don't want to take up net space sooooooo.........basically just looking for sights to see, music to buy, etc. :) *hugs*etc..... -Kimberly From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 01:22:13 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA20171; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 20:20:51 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA00557; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:07:07 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:07:07 -0600 Message-Id: <199411030105.TAA00394@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: marmantr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mark T Armantrout To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: becca's offer X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey, now that the excitement of Xanadu is over (not!), let's look back in the yellowing e-pages of our esteemed list and remember that little elf Becca mentioned a raver get2gether out in athens in january. (I know i put that message away unread during xanaplanning last week.) Let's not ignore or forget this kind offer! She said she needs a name, so help out with some ideas. (It's in Athens...) A Phriendly reminder, McAtheadRK Mark Armantrout (Cathead) AJUST 8 PHISH water, light, marmantr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu or marmantr@indiana.edu language, http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/marmantr.html sound, magic! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 01:23:04 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA20356; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 20:22:30 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA00885; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:08:52 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:08:52 -0600 Message-Id: <9411030107.AB28075@midway.uchicago.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: psenet@midway.uchicago.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: psenet@midway.uchicago.edu (powdered toastman) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: stuph from this side X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Wed, 2 Nov 1994, Dweezle Christ wrote: >in relation to the frat-rave: That's just what it was. The concept was >neat, and the DJ's were good, but the people were pathetic. Let's face >it, frat people have no idea what it's all about. Not necessarly drugs, >but the attitude. The attitude there was that of a frat party(ie >everyone was an asshole). What do you mean by frat people? Flame-bait? toastman From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 01:42:11 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA20850; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 20:40:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA03674; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:20:04 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:20:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199411030115.BAA03086@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: Craig.Stodolenak@mixcom.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: mw-raves CALENDAR 11.02.94 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ______ ______ _ _ ______ ______ \ \ \ \ / / / / /\ /\\ /\ /\ \_____\ \ / /_____/ /_____ / \/ \\/ \/ \ \ \ \/ /______ ______/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================ mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu === ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Code Date City Event ----- ------- -------------- -------------------------------------- 21 11/04 F Madison ENLIGHTENMENT 22 11/04 F Akron TWEAK 23 11/04 F St. Louis Untitled (#1) 33 11/05 S Oxford HOUSE 11 11/05 S St. Louis MYSTIC EYE 12 11/05 S Chicago NUTRAGEOUS 24 11/05 S Minneapolis SNAP 25 11/05 S Green Bay UPSIDE DOWN 27 11/06 Su St. Louis Untitled (#2) 29 11/11 F Louisville EVOLUTION 13 11/11 F Cedar Rapids FAMILY AFFAIR 18 11/11 F Ann Arbor SNARK II 04 11/11 F Bloomington UTOPIA 50 11/12 S Nashville FAITH 30 11/12 S Chicago HOME 19 11/12 S Milwaukee PUSH 47 11/18 F Memphis ABDUCTION 31 11/18 F St. Louis LUNAR LOVELAND 14 11/19 S Chicago ACIDIC PYRAMYD 32 11/19 S Minneapolis MAY FLOWER 01 11/23 W Cincinnati PILGRIMAGE 33 11/25 F Minneapolis CELESTIAL GROOVES 34 11/26 S Akron IMAGINE 39 11/26 S Chicago LOVE REVOLUTION 35 11/26 S Minneapolis RHYTHM 26 11/26 S Chicago UNIVERSAL LOVE 36 12/03 S Detroit CONTACT 16 12/03 S Louisville EVOLUTION 37 12/10 S Madison DEEP FREEZE 38 12/10 S Nashville FUNKOPOLIS 39 12/31 S Minneapolis FUTURE ----------------------------------------------------------------------- === MWRaves Calendar ==================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Issued every WEDNESDAY. (Last update 11/02/94) This list available via FTP: hyperreal.com:/raves/mw/mwravescalendar automated mail: mw-raves-cal@acid.com additions/corrections to: archon@acid.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- === MWRaves Automated Meetwhile-Raving Server =========================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- It's so EASY!!! (If it isn't, ask modE@csd.uwm.edu for help) Every week the you'll find numbers next to the events listed at the top of the calendar. the numbers range from 01 thru 50. it all works by sending mail to: modE@csd.uwm.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- to GET meetwhile 12: To: modE@csd.uwm.edu Subject: get 12 [message body is just scrapped] --------------------------------------------------------------------- to ADD to meetwhile 07: To: modE@csd.uwm.edu Subject: add 07 [message body = description, plans, anything...] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- === MainSection ============================================ E-flyers === ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 04 NOVEMBER Friday MADISON ENLIGHTENMENT DJ's: TRAXX DENEB MINDRIVE SAM HASKIN WICKETT OKE Live 303 action: SYNC PROJECT (ESP & HYPERACTIVE) $7 free Cottonmouth smartdrinks, as an apology for "Magick" 608.283.3116 hosted by the Order of the Trance ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 04 NOVEMBER Friday AKRON TWEAK TWEAK ----- DJs: Tartt (St. Louis) Synapse Sista Spinsta Shaft Spencer Location: the Attik in Akron, Ohio for more info call 216.971.9010 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 04 NOVEMBER Friday ST. LOUIS Untitled (#1) friday----pixel's net gathering ----MARK FARINA, JEFF FELLER, and ASTROBOY location is tba, possibly felix's again. . . (i should know soon, still checkin' some stuff) midnight till??? 7 dollars @ the door felix's # is 314.241.3359 if you have any questions, or need st louiee crash space mail me love and hugs!! electric k -- Kris Ellen Grotelueschen ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 05 NOVEMBER Saturday OXFORD HOUSE Hey!! Sorry we were late in announcing this, but coming up this weekend in Oxford, OH (Between Dayton and Cinci) is going to be A Party Called House. This is at our House and is a House party.. It is a college town and what college town house wouldn't have a name.. Our house's name is simply 'House' Here's who's spinning! ALL NET DJ's!! DJ Doc DJ Triptonite DJ Johnny Quest DJ *Cosmic* DJ DREW Plus maybe a few more people on open tables.. For info call 513.350.4989.. Oh! It's Saturday, Nov. 5th... If you have any questions call the number and leave a message or write me at quest@iac.net! Oxford's lifeline to the world is US 27. I think 27 goes north towards Muncie or thereabouts, and either exit 33 or 36 off of I-275 in Cincinnati [it's between I-74 and US 127 on the NE side of town]. Either way, take US 27 into Oxford. At Main Street, there is a light at the intersection, with a Wendy's and a Skyline Chili. Turn south towards Wendy's / Skyline on Main St. The address is 105 Linwood, which is a small, probably un-marked street that is on the right side (west side) of Main. The house sits way back off of Main. If you pass Village Green Apts, you've gone too far. And if you go over the railroad tracks, you went way too far. Their house number is 513.524.3403, and the pager is 513.350.4989. I hear rumblings of two rooms, two sound systems, and whatever else they think up before then. Pack 'em in! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 05 NOVEMBER Saturday ST. LOUIS MYSTIC EYE OS-B Productions Presents: a mystical night of LOVE under one eye Vibes of the Beholder: Terry Mullan (Chicago) - Mystic Bill (Chicago) Troposphere (NYC) - Chip B (Nashville) Trevor Lamonte (Delware/Phili) - Astroboy (St. Louis) Ambient Doctors: David Kirkland (St. Louis) Blurr (Memphis) Tigger (Memphis) B-Line 314.995.4923 Chicago 312.604.1978 Memphis 901.323.8013 Nashville 615.780.3730 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 05 NOVEMBER Saturday CHICAGO NUTRAGEOUS On behalf of NADISCO FAMILY AFFAIR, we would like to apologize for the dissapointing outcome of the Nature event this past Oct. 1st. To pay back those of you who bought tickets for Nature; INCREDIBEETS, MUSHGROOVE, and NADISCO are joining together! BRINGING YOU THIS FREE EVENT dj's: Josh Wink Hyperactive Efex Robert Armani Paul Johnson JethroX Sonic Boom Hap-E-Vibes visuals: Projections by VIDEO DRUGS Installation by Derrick Grahn 312.509.6869 312.851.5434 312.509.6886 312.202.5597 708.786.3940 414.777.3998 608.283.3367 314.994.1114 612.649.4902 419.277.4610 513.647.9647 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 05 NOVEMBER Saturday MINNEAPOLIS SNAP don knotts, black majik, and the sugar daddy present S N A P the 1st of the NEXXXT gatherings... nov 5th, 1994 minneapolis <<<<>>>>> his 1st appearance in mpls ===Gene Farris relief records chicago ===Miles Maeda chicago ===DJ Apollo don knotts-minneapolis ===DJ Alex Jarvis the sugar daddy ===Mr. E-Tones house-o-matic ===DJ Monte (not dj thorny thorny thornbush 8} 3, 4, 5, 6 do it! ^^^ hair by eric daly sound by 4d audio thoughts by jack handy load by capricorn N E X X X T Minneapolis (612) 458- 7206 ---come see the floating elvises--- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 05 NOVEMBER Saturday GREEN BAY UPSIDE DOWN On November 5th, 1994....in Green Bay, Wisconsin..... Unique Presents: U P S I D E D O W N with DJ's DIZ Chicago T-1000 Generator Records, Detroit DEADLY BUDA Millenium Productions, Pittsburgh ESP WOODY MCBRIDE Disco Family Plan, Minneapolis SPENCER KINSEY Cajuel Records, Chicago PHANTOM 45 Chicago MINDRIVE Madison Smart drinks by Waterworks All-Ages, Heated, Permitted venue.... 10pm-8am INFORMATION NUMBERS: Green Bay/Appleton..............414.234.4214 Milwaukee...................414.777.3998 Madison...................608.258.0003 Minneapolis...................612.946.5938 Chicago....................312.509.8068 Look for directions to the event and dj schedule on mw-raves the week of the event... email Kimm at 948191kf@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu for more info... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 06 NOVEMBER Sunday ST. LOUIS Untitled (#2) sunday----MYSTIC EYE AFTER HOURS CHIP B TREVOR MYsTIC BILL TROBE TRAXX ASTROBOY begins at 6 am at felix's. .1405 washington $3 at the door covers breakfast and all felix's # is 314.241.3359 if you have any questions, or need st louiee crash space mail me love and hugs!! electric k -- Kris Ellen Grotelueschen ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 11 NOVEMBER Friday LOUISVILLE EVOLUTION TRILOBITE TURNTABLES (all I can say about the name is ya gotta see the flyer) DJS HYPERACTIVE ASTROBOY jAMES JOHNSON BEN MAN LEVIATHAN THOME TOMATO (oh btw the way for people who xpressed concerns over mr tomato he is only spinning and NOT invovled with the party DClark Sean and Kasi MIckey THe date is Friday Nov. 11 1994 Evolution will be continuing our policy of net-ravers free, although we do ask that you bring a paying friend if possible, to be on the guest list please e-mail this address. This is the temporary e-residence for ImsmartRU and evolution. Also there has been a slight change in Evolution: Teknosaurus unfortunately terry will not be able to make it but replacing him we have ..... MIke Huckaby :-). here are the revised set times in the main room (there will be second room of house and ambient.) 10-12 dieselboy 12-2 lenny d 2-4 mike huckaby or scott henry 4-6 mike huckaby or scott henry (kinda depends on what they feel like spinning.) 6-8 mark farina :-) (NOTHING like a little acid jazz and tribal to welcome the sun.) its about peace and love ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 11 NOVEMBER Friday CEDAR RAPIDS FAMILY AFFAIR Family Affair Nov 11th 1994 Cedar Rapids Ia DJs Josh Werner Sho Juicy Fruit and other Iowa DJs LIve TranceAmbient P.A by DAC Crowell Info lines 319.337.7712 309.757.5323 Net Ravers are free so Send me your Snail mail addess so I can send you all the stuff you need to get here and get in Free... MrJP (jwelch@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 11 NOVEMBER Friday ANN ARBOR SNARK II snark II ann arbor, mi at delta tau delta (across the street from "the arb" in ann arbor) I can get better directions soon :) an underground party in a more "overground" space, I guess - they're throwing it in a frat house but it is NOT A FRAT PARTY AT ALL - ie no beer 11 pm till 4am FREE FREE FREE unfortunately, there is no info #.... the party's address is 1928 geddes in ann arbor. snark-2 (electric boogaloo) bmg & rotator fri nov 11 11pm till 4am brought to you by crush collision wcbn-fm 88.3 thursdays 10 til midnight (you can call 313/763-3500 on thursday sbetween 10pm and 1am for info, though i dont think it really counts as an info line :) ) take I-94 to 23 (ann arbor) to washtenaw. turn right on observatory, right on geddes, and the house is a block down. FREE graphics by smilEE ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 11 NOVEMBER Friday BLOOMINGTON UTOPIA :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: THE FIRST STEP TO :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: U U TTTTTTT OOOO PPPPP IIIIIII AAAA U U T O O P P I A A U U T O O PPPPP I AAAAAA U U T O O P I A A UUUU T OOOO P IIIIIII A A :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: FRIDAY NOVEMBER 11TH :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: BLOOMINGTON INDIANA :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: DISPLAYING THEIR "TECHNIQUES" ON THE "1200'S" :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: JAJO DAVID HOLLANDS BILLEEBOB CYBERJIVE MIKE SCHROFF MIKE BRYANT :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: PRICE> BETWEEN $8 AND $10 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: LOCATION> WILL BE ANNOUNCED IN ADVANCE :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: TIME>10 o'clock :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: FOR INFO> *812.330.3976 E-MAIL>jjhelton@ucs.indiana.edu :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: *KNOW YOUR LIMITS* :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: KEEP GROOVIN' DOC ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 12 NOVEMBER Saturday NASHVILLE FAITH another event from BAM!/anode *f*a*i*t*h* josh wink - philadelphia sorted records trope - new york dynamix... minddrive - madison, wisconsin chip b - nashville knuck.l.head - knoxville plus possible second room saturday november 12 8pm-6am nashville tennessee exact location t.b.a. all ages til midnite no alcohol 18+ midnite til 6 am directions/info lines: nashville BAM (615) 780-3730 memphis lil' june (901) 363-9831 lexington bluegrass (606) 281-4193 knoxville velocity (615) 558-1044 louisville IMSMARTRU (502) 569-1969 st. louis superstars (314) 994-1114 indy Groovus Maximus (317) 899-8100 cincinatti yum yum (513) 648-9647 chattanooga insomniac (615) 954-2313 chicago vibe alive (312) 604-1978 richmond, va insomnia (804) 756-7243 new york groove line (212) 696-8938 new york essence (212) 547-7118 atlanta chamber of dreams (404) 250-8230 email: anodeBAM@aol.com coming in january 1995 "rejoice" with mystic bill/dieselboy and others! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 12 NOVEMBER Saturday CHICAGO HOME november 12, 1994 H O M E a celebration of art, music and technology generated from the midwest area * * * KEVIN SAUNDERSON inner city "reece project" k.m.s. records, detroit techno godfather ROBERT ARMANI chicago: circus bells, acv int. (italy), dancemania (chicago) from minneapolis ESP WOODY MCBRIDE labworks records, germany magnetic north records u.k. communique records CARL CRAIG detroit, planet e. communications r&s records, belgium +----------- d-jax up beat crew -----------+ | | | ARMANDO | | straight outta | | da warehouse! | | muzique records | | | | MIKE DEARBORN | | "unpredictable" minimalist master | | | | PAUL JOHNSON | | "welcome to the warehouse" | | warehouse records (chicago) | | | +------------------------------------------+ DERRICK CARTER organico records, blue cucaracha pure chicago HYPERACTIVE chicago: new school acid drop bass, u.c., contact BLAKE BAXTER new school detroit JEDIDIAH drop bass terror unit D.WYNN detroit: k.m.s. tramsmat records +---chicago's house preservation society---+ | | | DAVEY DAVE | | hps records, modern project | | hard house crossover | | | | GENE FARRIS | | from da original powerplant | | relief records | | | | DIZ | | true westside | | underground | | | | MYSTIC BILL | | tweaked, physics, | | kind family project | | | +------------------------------------------+ \/====== jeep beats ======\/ PHANTOM 45 digitized drum n bass R.P. SMACK angelic anthems SNUGGLES the predator /\========================/\ ::::::: excursions in ambient house :::::::: :::::::: atmospheric audio chair ::::::::::: : : : TOM PAZEN : : : : MILES MAEDA : : : : JOSH WERNER : : : :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: funk & habit lounge with G. MOST bringin down the acid jazz hip hop/reggae +----------------live pa's-----------------+ | | | MODERN PROJECT | | "intellegent house" | | | | METHOD ONE | | "for your mind" | | | | 2BS 00083 | | "innovative analog" | | | | TRIPPER INFORMATION SYSTEMS | | "if you're looking for trouble, | | you've come to the right place" | | | +------------------------------------------+ * HOME will feature the largest mix of musical talent ever assembled under one roof, showcasing some of the best dj's and producers in the world * VENUE: Home will be held in a fresh 50,000 square foot LEGAL venue and will feature 4 rooms (2 main rooms), ambient room and a vending hall * SOUND: 2 pa rigs by Diversified Audio, totalling over 60,000 wts. * LIGHTING: mind blowing lighting reality by world renowned lighting programmer DAVID GANDY, featuring the latest in I-Beam technology * laser light show featuring 5 watt & 1.5 watt argons * TECHNOLOGY: Cybernauts Union #47 presents the complete multi- media cyber action lounge. Experience true multimedia and virtual reality * Fashion & Funk by UNTITLED sending out the hottest threads * Smart Bar by Get-Smart (Detroit), TXE LABS (Chicago) * Visuals by CTEK, live video mixing by Video Drugs * ALL PERMITS SECURED, ALL ACTS CONFIRMED presale tickets on sale for $13 only in Chicago at UNTITLED - 2657 N. Clark Chicago, IL 60614 312.404.9225 day of tickets on sale for $15 Info Lines: 312.604.1978 chicago 312.509.6453 312.604.1796 708.786.3995 chi. suburbs 313.730.2202 detroit 309.757.5323 iowa 414.777.3998 milwaukee 414.777.EXTC 513.647.9647 cincinnati 314.994.1143 st. louis 314.994.1114 608.283.3357 madison 612.458.7081 minneapolis 612.946.5938 317.399.8100 indianapolis in our efforts in bringing quality events to the chicagoland area, we'd like to stress the importance in creating a positive enviro- ment, a place where everyone is equal as well as important, a place everyone can call home... we would like to thank everyone currently working on making this event possible as well as those who regularly attend our events, we would also like to thank those who travel the distance to the house capital of the world. we are one housenation, under god, undergound... vibe alive / ripe / aps international ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 12 NOVEMBER Saturday MILWAUKEE PUSH Saturday, Nov 12, 1994 Milwaukee (city) WI WMSE's LateNite Beet Generation presents ... PUSH DJ's... DJ toby tyler ... Revolutions music & clothing Acid boy todd p ... IRS Synergy ... Quadrasonic/Massive JJ Jellybean & MC Blackeye ... CHA Massive / Junga Vibe Destro ... Rockford DJ Stevn Kaye ... WMSE latenite beet generation PLUS a live performance from DR. YANU. Massive Psound by Psycho Acoustic Full intelligent lighting by Laser Bob Film loops by EFEX Drinks by Waterworks $7 presale $8 door info lines (414)7773982 ... (414)5481973 ... (414)2776942 all proceeds benefit WMSE's transmitter upgrade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 18 NOVEMBER Friday MEMPHIS ABDUCTION [event postponed from Friday October 21 - Craig] Circuit Playground Productions present : A B D U C T I O N Memphis, TN OCT 21 1994 Info : 901.323.8013 DJ's Main room : Terry Mullan Reese from Astroworks Billy Boy Paris Ahab DJ's second room : Blurr Dave Kirkland Spectre O.B.1. Lights by Maxximum Sound and Lights Sound by Maxximum Sound and Lights (a total of 36 000 real watts and 12 stacks) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 18 NOVEMBER Friday ST. LOUIS LUNAR LOVELAND Throw another shrimp on the LOR, cause St. louis is throwin' a pawty! Superstars of Love...Dialeighted Productions...Spiritual Groove Culture joining forces to bring you: --------------------[ L U N A R L O V E L A N D ]--------------------- friday, november 18th, 1994 dj's: astroboy mindrive jeremy reese jon williams robert armani eldon and mucho, mucho more! Dialeighted Productions: 314-567-2097 Soopahstahs of Luv: 314-994-1114 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 19 NOVEMBER Saturday CHICAGO ACIDIC PYRAMYD Prepare yourselves for the happening. Sense Productions most exhilarating and creative endeavor to date. A CHICAGO prestigious and exciting space transformed into a mystical dreamworld of unparalleled sights and sounds. Saturday November 19, 1994 /\ / \ A C I D I C P Y R A M Y D / \ /________\ featuring HARDFLOOR - Frankfurt, Germany ** MAIN ARENA 1 ** DJ Tewn (Jungle Boy) Jedidiah (Milwaukee's Drop Bass Terror Unit) Phantom 45 (CHA Massive) Acid Boy Todd P (Milwaukee's Innovative Record Source) Oliver (Hardfloor/Warehouse Cologne, Germany) Terry Mullan (House Guru) Mindrive (Madison's Erotishock Inc.) ** SHOWCASE ARENA 2 ** David Hollands (Indianapolis) Bob-a-Dob (Cincinnati) Oliver (Warehouse, Germany) Dreamer (Cleveland) Shaft (Cleveland) DJ Angstrom (Cleveland) JJ Jellybean plus Chicago's Best DJs! LIVE PA'S BY: Featuring for the first time ever in the midwest on Harthouse Records from Frankfurt, Germany HARDFLOOR For the first time ever, on Drop Bass, U.C. and Concact Records HYPERACTIVE On Labworks, Germany from Minneapolis, MN 4D LIGHT SHOW DESIGNED TO TAKE YOU THERE AND BACK AGAIN!! BY: P.A.W.N. "Laser & Entertainment Spectacular" Philadelphia, PA EYEGASM "Lighting Magician" United States All DJs and Live Acts listed have been selected by Sense for their own individual style and music versatility. We try very hard to please each and everyone of you. And in doing so, we hope you will enjoy the musical content of all Sense events. Write to us and tell us what you would like to see & what DJs you would like to hear. P.O. Box 10168 Chicago IL 60610-0168. Sense Productions audio tapes on sale! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 19 NOVEMBER Saturday MINNEAPOLIS MAY FLOWER (pre flyer) V A N D A L productions presents ""MAY FLOWER"" saturday nov 19 1994 minneapolis mn 612.649.4575 612.659.6319 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 23 NOVEMBER Wednesday CINCINNATI PILGRIMAGE DJ Bob-A-Dob/Still Fresh Productions presents: The Thrid Annual Thanksgiving-Eve Party PILGRIMAGE Wednesday, November 23, 1994 Cincinnati Ohio DJ's Derrick Carter (Organico Recording Artist from Chicago) DJ Bob-A-Dob (Clubhead Records, Cincinnati Ohio) DBX (of Plus 8 Records, Detroit) As well as other local dj's to follow For additional information call the Yum-Yum line at: 513.648.9647 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 25 NOVEMBER Friday MINNEAPOLIS CELESTIAL GROOVES (pre flyer) C E L E S T I A L G R O V E S funky ass dance BEATS nov 25 1994 DEE-JAYS TBA USUAL PRODUCTIONS----------1.800.803.8520 mpls minnesota ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday AKRON IMAGINE Reality Is Limited Imagination is Boundless.... IMAGINE Audio Navigators Keoki (Disco 2000/NYC) James Christain (NYC) DJ Odyssey (Subb-Toronto/Eternal) Sleepy C (Psychoactive-Deep/Eternal) Algo-Rhythm (Subb-Toronto) G-Wiz (Baltimore) More Info and DJ's to Come! For more info call 216.971.9010 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday CHICAGO LOVE REVOLUTION Saturday Nov. 26, 1994 Diversified Funk, Vibe Alive, and RIPE bring you Love Revolution Micro - (nyc) Felix da house cat - (detroit) Mystic Bill & Davey Dave doin a tag team thang Gene Farris Mike Dearborn Spun Mindrive this event will be in chicago more info will be posted later. js784592@pucal.bitnet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday MINNEAPOLIS RHYTHM November 26th in da beautiful metropolis of Minneapolis Color X presents ------------------------------- - - - RHYTHM - - - ------------------------------- Featuring the vinyl Sounds of: --Wade Randolph Hampton-- --------Synergy-------- --------Waxee-------- ------E Tones------ ------Earth------ --Alex Jarvis-- watch this space for a voice mail connection rock it like dat ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday CHICAGO UNIVERSAL LOVE (No information available -- someone please send me some :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 03 DECEMBER Saturday DETROIT CONTACT ============================================================================ ___ ___ _______ / \ / /\ / __ /\ _______ ______ / /\ \ / / \_______ / /\/ / \_______ _______ / ___ /\ / __ /\/ / \ \/ / /__ ___/\/ /__/ / / ___ //__ __/\ / /\ /_/ / / / / /__/ \____/ / /\ /__/ \/__/ / /\ /_/ \/ /\ / / \__\ / / / / \ \ /\ \ / / \_\ \ \ \ / / \__\ / / \_/ \ \__/ / \ \_\ \ /\ \ / \ \ /\ \ / \ \ /\ \ \ \__/ / /\ \ / \____/__/ \_____\/ \__\/ \___\/ \_\/ \__\/ \__\/\____/__/ \_\/ saturday december 3rd detroit ============================================================================= featuring the live and direct jungle madness of detroit's very own H e c k l e and J e c k l e tearing up the dance floor on four turntables, Chicago's M y s t i c B i l l and D a v e y D a v e and superstar detroit dj's J e r e m e y T i m B a k e r C h u c k H a m p t o n call 810.746.3338 for more event info.... -----> net.raver discount! Two for One! call or email us at hcmk@jwkorth.com or hcmk@umich.edu to be put on the list brought to you by the treetown familee massive ============================================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 03 DECEMBER Saturday LOUISVILLE EVOLUTION EVOLUTION, technosaurus lenny dee * mark farina * scott henry * terry mullan info at 502.569.1969 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10 DECEMBER Saturday MADISON DEEP FREEZE Flipside Productions invites you to chill at D E E P F R E E Z E Saturday December 10th 1994 in So. Central WI with DJ's: JOHN AQUAVIVA definitive/stickman/plus8 detroit REESE astralwerks new york live performance by ESP comminuque/drop bass minneapolis JETSTREAM detroit EFEX chicago MINDRIVE madison DENEB waupun Sound and lights by Badger Refreshmentz by Cottonmouth this is a map point event 608.283.3116 612.946.5938 admission is $12/$10 ** pre-flyer only ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10 DECEMBER Saturday NASHVILLE FUNKOPOLIS December 10th 1994 in Nashville : F U N K O P O L I S Confirmed DJ's : John Debo (Boston) stress / Mindwarp DB (NY) NASA / Smile comm. Micro (NY) Progression / Sorted Records King Brett (Phily) Ovum Recording Scott Richmond (NY) Satellite Production Net Chip B (Nashville) B.A.M. Terry Mullan (Chicago) Vibe Tribe Larry (Nashville) VINN Spridel (Delaware) long awaited return Ambiant room by CCP (Memphis) Funk room : Humpty and Knuckl Head promotional give aways by above Labels Sound by : Sound-O-Mighty Intelligent Lights by : Maxximum S & L, Inc Visuals by : Factory Visuals (Florida) Funk clothes by : J Squared Smart bar by : IMSMARTRU Info : 615.780.3730 E-mail : AnodeBAM@aol.com MaxximumSL@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 31 DECEMBER Saturday MINNEAPOLIS FUTURE the D I S C O F A M I L Y P L A N invites you into the FFFFF U U TTTTT U U RRR EEEEE F U U T U U R R E FFF U U T U U RR EEE F U U T U U R R E F UUUU T UUUU R R EEEEE december 31st in MINNEAPOLIS MN <<>> --------------------------------------------- ESP NICK NICE T-1000 HYPERACTIVE MIND DRIVE MERLIN MR. BILL E-TONES ROZ DRONE ALEX APOLLO EARTH ********************************************* much much bass +sound and atmosphere design by 4d+ 360degrees of far out light deelies +this is a pre flyer+look outside+ +special commemorative 7" record release on communique records usa "speed o light"+ the westernmost outpost of a unified midwestern tri-city celebration MPLS+CHICAGO+MILWAUKEE 6 1 2 . 9 4 6 . 5 9 3 8 NEW YEARS EVE 1994 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> a 12 hour marathon of pure fun! M I N N E A P O L I S PSCENIC seeing feelings bloom. this event enjoys support from... -generator records detroit -the order of the trance -contact records chicago -cynesthasia -drop bass records -nexxxt -communique records -underground construction records celebrating how far we've come... and how far we've yet to go -please no alcohol-peace <<------------------------------------------>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- === MWRaves Miscellaneous =============================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- POSTS: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu REQUESTS: listserv@csd.uwm.edu FTP: hyperreal.com:raves/mw alpha1.uwm.edu:pub/mw-raves GOPHER: hyperreal.com WWW: http://hyperreal.com VRAVE: telnet hyperreal.com 7283 IRC: #rave PROBLEMS: archon@acid.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- === listserv REQUESTS =================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The REQUESTS address above takes the following commands in the body of your mail: unsub mw-raves unsubscribe sub mw-raves your_name subscribe set mw-raves mail digest get daily digested form of list instead unsub mw-raves-cal unsubscribe from calendar ONLY list sub mw-raves-cal your_name subscribe to calendar ONLY list The calendar available from the listserv@csd is _old_ and will not be updated until further notice. Please either FTP/Gopher/WWW to the above sites, or send mail to mw-raves-cal@acid.com and the current calendar will automatically be sent to you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================ bottom ================================= ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 01:42:35 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA20884; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 20:41:52 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA06383; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:27:58 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:27:58 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mudd@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dweezle Christ To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: stuph from this side X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO when I am talking about frat raves I mean poeple who don't understand what being polite is like nor do they understand what a rave is about. __________________________________________________________________________ _ < > \___/ mudd@um.cc.umich.edu ^+ +^ ' \_/ ' ] / \ [ \|/ (|) + + __________________________________________________________________________ On Wed, 2 Nov 1994, powdered toastman wrote: > On Wed, 2 Nov 1994, Dweezle Christ wrote: > > >in relation to the frat-rave: That's just what it was. The concept was > >neat, and the DJ's were good, but the people were pathetic. Let's face > >it, frat people have no idea what it's all about. Not necessarly drugs, > >but the attitude. The attitude there was that of a frat party(ie > >everyone was an asshole). > > > What do you mean by frat people? Flame-bait? > > toastman > > > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 01:54:39 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA21350; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 20:54:25 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA09401; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:41:08 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:41:08 -0600 Message-Id: <9411030139.AA03116@midway.uchicago.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: psenet@midway.uchicago.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: psenet@midway.uchicago.edu (powdered toastman) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: stuph from this side X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Wed, 2 Nov 1994, Dweezle Christ wrote: >when I am talking about frat raves I mean poeple who don't understand >what being polite is like nor do they understand what a rave is about. So why do you call it a frat rave? toastman From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 02:29:17 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA22422; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 21:29:00 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA15640; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 20:21:13 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 20:21:13 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: hcmk@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Holly Macdonald - Korth To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: becca's offer X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= t r e e t o w n f a m i l e e m a s s i v e hcmk@umich.edu mission control: 810.746.3338 *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* On Wed, 2 Nov 1994, Mark T Armantrout wrote: > Let's not ignore or forget this kind offer! She said she needs a name, > so help out with some ideas. (It's in Athens...) > this is basically a very silly idea, but athens made me think of greece which made me think of the acropolis...i personally think acropolis is a cool name for a party...not to mention the fact that the place itself would be a rad space... just a silly suggestion from a silly girl... hollee From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 02:34:27 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA22579; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 21:33:59 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA17188; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 20:30:48 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 20:30:48 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: melissa@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: melissa@mtech.csd.uwm.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re:Stuph X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Dana, I think maybe you should first ask yourself "why do I want to go to a rave" is it for the music? the dancing? the most radest people in the world? or is it simply to obtain drugs? If it's the last then I'd seriuosly reconsider. I'm not trying to flame you, if you really want to get into this great scene do it drug free first. Raving is about soooooooo much more than drugs. Unfortunately we've gotten a really bad rap by the media. Granted some of what you may have read is true. There are drugs at raves but needn't (shouldn't) be the reason for going. And I'm also not trying to be like high and mighty, or lecture on the EVILS OF DRUG USE (scary laughter). Anyway, if you want to meet some of the greatest people in the whole world and groove to some excellent beats and just in general have a really good time then start going to raves. (and I'll give ya a big hug when I meet 'cha) If you're looking for drugs.....just be aware the DEA is EVERYWHERE!!!!!! So hope to see you at an event soon, although being as you're on the oterside of the great puddle that might be a long shot. Later, Melissa P.S. Our very own Tigger is gonna have a party in Iowa on Nov 12, I know that's very far for you but trust me it will be worth the ride. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 02:47:45 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA22904; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 21:46:54 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA19261; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 20:43:43 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 20:43:43 -0600 Message-Id: <9411030301.AA19568@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jong@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jon Gilkison To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Stuph X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO void quote(void) { I think maybe you should first ask yourself "why do I want to go to a rave" is it for the music? the dancing? the most radest people in the world? or is it simply to obtain drugs? If it's the last then I'd seriuosly reconsider. I'm not trying to flame you, if you really want to get into this great scene do it drug free first. } Yeah what she said. earache daProfessa From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 02:52:35 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA23143; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 21:52:02 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA20268; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 20:49:31 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 20:49:31 -0600 Message-Id: <9411030248.AA10934@student5.cl.msu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: macqueen@student.msu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Matthew S Macqueen" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: another E.Lansing party X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO For anyone interested, this Friday in East Lansing there is another party, it's gonna be a tad smaller (not as big a space), and (damn) V-Max won't be there, but people who like house, techno, and dancing will be! There are like 4 DJ's I think, and there will prob. be a chillout room upstairs, too. It's gonna be small and tight, hopefully, the space is in a bigger old house with the sweatbox basement concept :) But definitely an overgrown house party, so expect it to prob. be crowded :) If you're needing a vibe before "Power" on Saturday, this might be a good primer. I went to Underground Reistance/Submerge in Detroit last night and came back with a boatload of sizzlin UR techno. . . . the info. number on the flyer is 517.371.8542 (it says "call on day of event for location & info") . . . I don't know the address for sure yet and I hear it may change before the party so it would be wise to call the info line. Despite the very strong groove at Phantasy last friday, some violent types spoiled the vibe for the hundred who came in and out to dance.... they had to be (forcibly) removed.... and I think they're trying to make sure that that kind of thing doesn't happen again. Otherwise Phantasy was fun as hell, Pat "The scarecrow" opened up with a whole lotta house, and then some techno. I guess he spun from around, oh, 11pm - 1am, and then I spun with a friend until about 3:00. There was some cool ambient after that but it was a Co-Op house and they basically wanted people to leave by 3:30 . . . Heath Brunner and Trent Abbe played in the basement all night, and got progressively faster, harder, and better until the end, it was hot and loud and hard and fast as hell all night downstairs, the crowd was liking it too. :) They are impressive DJ's to watch and were playing a lot of their new material just back from the wax presses but not in stores yet. Mmmmmmmmm! I had a blast, Regis and JennieFUR were in full effect, showing their local spirit ;) I was surprised that the people who did come,came to dance! If you missed Phantasy than come to the house party this friday! What else are you gonna do the night before POWER, anyway? ;) Halflife ---> Matt MacQueen macqueen@student.msu.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 04:32:44 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA25461; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 23:32:29 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA05389; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 22:30:26 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 22:30:26 -0600 Message-Id: <199411030429.WAA05292@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: beatpunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: stuph from this side X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Jon sez: >Yeah, I have to agree with Brad on this one. >I can understand what Brad has to say about writing for a magazine. I >must admit that I am a newbie to the Massive scene but I have found >myself getting caught up in rave politics because of my association with >Massive. If you live in Milwaukee and know what is going on, you will >know exactly what I am talking about. Yup. The weird thing is, within the group of the poitically involved (in whatever zine or scene) there's two sub-sets (gross-overgeneralization acknowlodged) of people: those who are involved in the politics on a superficila level (ie for the financialor whatever benefits) but can still transcend the politics when faced with a reason to (and these often wind up being the outstanding political leaders, for the exact reason that they can see things others won't), and those who are politics and politics only, with no ability to comprehend anything else. In other words, the open-minded and the closed. Notice, however, that one does not have to shun politics in order to be open-minded (and I'm not saying this defensively, I'm not involved in anything). It just comes down to balance, like so many other things (including the previous topic of drugs). ---------------------------beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu------------------------------ "And the further I get from the things that I care about The less I care about how much further away I get" -Robert Smith From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 04:36:36 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA25531; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 23:36:25 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA06166; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 22:35:01 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 22:35:01 -0600 Message-Id: <199411030434.WAA06033@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: beatpunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Stuph X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >If you're looking for drugs.....just be aware the DEA is EVERYWHERE!!!!!! Including, in all probability, here. Those who fool themselves into thinking the internet is narc, pig, and fed free deserve exactly what they will eventually get (unfortunately). ---------------------------beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu------------------------------ "And the further I get from the things that I care about The less I care about how much further away I get" -Robert Smith From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 04:57:34 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA25875; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 23:57:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA09065; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 22:55:37 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 22:55:37 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: pixel@crl.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "James P. Cooper" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: st. louis on friday X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO just want to clear up somehting that may have confused some of you. there are two separate events on friday night in st. louis: 1) Felix's featuring Mark Farina, Astroboy, and others $7 2) My house featuring various randomn dj grab-bag (possibly devil girl?) free so head to felix's and head to my place if you get bored or vice versa! email me if you need directions! have fun! pixel From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 06:28:32 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA26999; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 01:28:25 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA19478; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 00:26:45 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 00:26:45 -0600 Message-Id: <9411022215048021725@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: November 18th, Memphis X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO CCP presents : ******Space Odessy********** November 18th in Memphis Confirmed DJ's : Larry (Nashville, TN) French E (Paris, F) Sho (Lafayette, In) Ahab (Memphis, TN) Jason S (Memphis, (TN) Derick Carter (Chicago) Info : 901.545.9972 Sound and Lights by Maxximum S & L. Abduction has been postponed 'til Feb 4th 1995 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 06:30:51 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA27092; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 01:30:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA19696; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 00:29:17 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 00:29:17 -0600 Message-Id: <9411022215168021822@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: December 31st 1994, Memphis X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO CCP presents : -------Communicate-------- in Memphis, December 31st, 1994 DJ's to be posted later on. Sound and ligths by Maxximum S & L Info : 901.454.9972 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 06:31:35 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA27113; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 01:31:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA19768; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 00:29:40 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 00:29:40 -0600 Message-Id: <9411022215218021911@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 4 Feb 1995, Memphis X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO CCP presents in Memphis February 4th, 1995 : *******Abduction********* DJ's to be posted later on Sound and Lights by Maxximum S&L, inc From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 17:27:53 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA06592; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 12:27:20 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA02383; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:10:57 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:10:57 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: marmoset@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dave Walker To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: another E.Lansing party X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Wed, 2 Nov 1994, Matthew S Macqueen wrote: > Heath Brunner and Trent Abbe played in the basement all night, and got > progressively faster, harder, and better until the end, it was hot and loud and > hard and fast as hell all night downstairs, the crowd was liking it too. :) > They are impressive DJ's to watch and were playing a lot of their new material > just back from the wax presses but not in stores yet. Mmmmmmmmm! Hey Matt, get these guys on the list! :) Seriously, tho, it's great to hear that the party came off well, and it's always good to hear about live PA's coming off well. Speaking of which, Himadri is s'posed to be doing one at Power. Looking forward to new VMax EP's... On now: _Wechselspannung_ by Namlook & Sharp ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker marmoset@msen.com new frontiers in pleasure management Dave Walker From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 17:30:17 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA06687; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 12:29:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA03053; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:13:21 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:13:21 -0600 Message-Id: <941103111137.20203115@dlogics.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: NIB@dlogics.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nicolas Bamberski To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: See y'all later! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Yup, going on a well-deserved vacation starting today, for the next three weeks. Will re-subscribe when I'm back. Big Hugs and Smooches to all of you! bambi nib@dlogics.com - Chicago From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 17:56:49 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA07467; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 12:56:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA10133; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:39:20 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:39:20 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: plastik@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Plus 8 Records To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: stuph from this side X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Craig, in response to your letter to Dana i can't agree with you more. Having been into the scene since the start, I've come to terms with the music and drugs. It wasn't an easy thing, but took time by going to parties sober, slightly sober, and not sober. To me there really can't be a separation between the music and the drugs because they both fit into a piece of the jigsaw. Drugs will be at a party along with the music, just like booze will be at a bar, along with the music. The whole problem begins when people do too much, too often, and for the wrong reason. I think it's about the moderation of substances, but full respect for the music. It's the music that keeps everything alive..... Matthew H. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 18:07:18 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA07744; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 13:07:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA13193; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:51:11 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 11:51:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199411031750.LAA12995@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve J White To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: this is not what it seems to be X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO sorry for the wasted bandwidth ... listserv sucks ;-) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 18:56:34 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA08926; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 13:56:12 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA24762; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 12:40:03 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 12:40:03 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MiCKeY HoNMyHR To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: SINERGY X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ______ _____ _____ ____ / | |\ | | | \ / \ \ / \______ | | \ | |___ |_____/ | \ / \ | | \ | | | \ | -- | ______ / | | \| |_____ | \ \____| | 12.10.94 Fargo, North Dakota DJ's - your favorite mw-raves net dj's Cost - free for net kids and anyone who comes with you I will find a place for ya to krash. info - 218.236.3085 or e-mail me ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- M I C K E Y H O N M Y H R if i were naked i would still be a raver...would you? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 20:08:13 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA10745; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 15:07:52 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA11475; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 13:53:15 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 13:53:15 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: massive@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Lucas Jay Zimmer To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: FREE EXTACY! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, I had to get your attention somehow... Our scene is heavily based on drug use and it is well beyond any bickering whether it is right or wrong. It is neither. From my personal drug use, i have found that, if used in the right environment and for the right reasons, there is revelation and realization. unfortunatly, my drug use at raves has not resulted in any of the above- only confusion and utter idiocy... with but one realization: that these parties are about breaking down walls between each other and learning what it is about to be human- a social and loving being that stands out from mother nature's other creations and laws... survival of the fittest and live and let die. we are here for each other- to help each other and make the world a better place for one another. drugs, on the other hand, are for personal realization. to break down the walls that are within yourself. to smash what you have been taught and create your own thoughts and opinions. to use drugs at raves is to confuse the purpose of the two. two rights making a wrong, or worse yet, doing nothing at all for you. but this is all in my theory. another way to look at this all is that some of us are working toward a goal to make this 'rave thing' an integral and successful part of our lives while the others are blowing their $30 + a weekend and getting burned out and in the end have nothing to show for themselves except empty pockets, bad health and mental addiction. we will leave you behind. as for rave politics... the best way to avoid problems is to avoid the politics. this means don't get caught up in all the shit and just enjoy yourself. don't talk openly about other's drug selling or what you think their motives for doing parties are. don't play their game. matt mot massive From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 20:18:55 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA10980; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 15:18:46 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA14259; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 14:04:13 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 14:04:13 -0600 Message-Id: <9411032005.AA00412@emunix.emich.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sharifi@emunix.emich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: sharifi@emunix.emich.edu (Surfer Al) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Detroit/MI this weekend? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I saw a post regarding two events, but no location etc... Since my birthday is on the fourth, I thought my friends and I should go to a rave or something. I live in Ann Arbor, so if there's a "pre snark", it would be great. Anything within an hour of A2 would be cool. Thanx -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A wave over a rave anyday." -- Me. Alex Sharifi sharifi@emunix.emich.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 21:16:02 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA12220; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:15:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA00490; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 15:11:32 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 15:11:32 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mudd@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dweezle Christ To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: POWER IN DETROIT X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Is anyone goin to Power this wkend? If so I would be interested in meeting some ppl off mw-raves. Email me. -peace, Raph __________________________________________________________________________ _ mudd@um.cc.umich.edu < > \___/ ^+ +^ ' \_/ ' "God will bless you if you belive" ] / \ [ -Eddie 'Flashin' Fowlkes \|/ (|) + + __________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 21:30:31 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA12495; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:30:02 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA03564; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 15:21:32 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 15:21:32 -0600 Message-Id: <9411032120.AA25015@aug1> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: allen@augsburg.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Forward: First Internet War/Global Vote Intervention (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, what do ya think?? Anyone wanna post some relevent addresses? l >Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 10:01:56 -0800 >From: geoffw@nexsys.net (Geoff White) >To: sfraves@hyperreal.com >Subject: Forward: First Internet War/Global Vote Intervention (fwd) >Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com >Precedence: bulk > > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:19:58 -0800 >From: Nathan Newman >To: Multiple recipients of list LEFT-L > <@uvmvm.uvm.edu:LEFT-L@UCBCMSA.bitnet> >Subject: Forward: First Internet War/Global Vote Intervention (fwd) > >Thought folks might find this interesting and possibly worthwhile. > >***** Nathan Newman: newman@garnet.berkeley.edu ******* > > >US INVADES U.K. >First Internet Global Vote Defense of Democratic Rights! >(D-Day) SATURDAY NOV. 5, FROM 7 PM [Pacific Time] > >THIS FIRST INTERNET "WAR", WILL DO FOR THE INTERNET WHAT >TIENANMEN DID FOR THE FAX MACHINE! > >The United Kingdom Govt.'s Criminal Justice Bill, about to be >finally approved by the House of Lords, THREATENS THE RIGHT OF >ALL GLOBAL CITIZENS TO ASSEMBLE . With legal developments in >Western countries increasingly interconnected, THIS ASSAULT, IF >WE IGNORE IT, WILL ULTIMATELY THREATEN INTERNET "ASSEMBLY" >ITSELF > >Unlike the 1989 Fax for Freedom in support of Chinese students >in Tienanmen Square, the Internet community is now empowered to >vote on GLOBAL ISSUES. by electronically "assembling" to voice >actual world opinion. > >Vote with your fingers to affect world history! > >What to do / How to spread the meme > >1. Replicate: Before D Day (Data Day) November 5th, alert >your internet cyber-community by distributing this message as >far as possible. > >2. E-MAIL your PROTEST: On D Day, November 5th 1994, from 7PM >onwards, e-mail the attached protest or your own personalised >response to as many UK addresses as possible (Companies, >Company Presidents, Ministers, Media, private Citizens as well >as your own national/ local government officials). > >3. PARTICIPATE: On D Day, November 5th 1994, if you live in >the Bay Area, SF, come to our protest party, and help out our >Invasion Task Force with expertise, hardware, software and >wetware. If not, discuss the implications of this issue in as >many forums as possible or organise you own Data Gathering. > >4 E-MAIL your VOTE a) YES, I abhor this bill OR b) NO, this >has nothing to do with me TO the internet number below > >SPONSORS > >The worldwide CyberinVasion of the UK consciousness will be >launched officially at Timothy Leary's Chaos & Cyberculture >Book Launch/Rave hosted by Club Megatripolis in downtown San >Francisco on Data Day, Saturday November 5th 1994 (coinciding >with Guy Fawkes Day, a British National Holiday celebrating the >only "Guy" to ever try and blow up the British Parliament). > >"Task Force Commodore" Dr Timothy Leary will personally >initiate the cybrinvasion at a currently secret HQ in Downtown >San Francisco with a Telephone Call to Prime Minister John >Major, at 10 Downing Street, London. > >Chaos Strategist: Prof. Ralph Abraham > >Aides de Campe Bruce Eisner, and Zippy Rave-u-Gees Fraser >Clark, Michael John and Reality Technician, David Dei > >Internet Intelligence Captain Crunch,. > >Information Line 415 281 KNOW Email: Zippy@Morph.Com > > >PROTEST MESSAGE: >Recognizing that the principle involved in the British Criminal >Justice Bill now awaiting final approval by the House of Lords >involves the banning of "gatherings of more than 10 people on >public land" may eventually be introduced into my home country >and eventually Internet "gatherings" in the public land of >Cyberia, we, the Undersigned, protest with all our hearts and >will. And we implore you to do all in you power to erase this >shamefull bill and its intention from planetary consciousness. > >Signed: > >[United Kingdom e-mail addresses are available via publications >such as the Internet Yellow Pages and other resource lists] > >-ENDS- > > > >----- End Included Message ----- > WoW, Tim Leary's gonna call the British prime minister about busting raves..freeky. Allen.para! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 22:17:01 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA13723; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 17:16:31 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA18432; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:11:23 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:11:23 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: s0176326@cc.ysu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: TROUT SOUP To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: song id?? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i heard this song at harmony and have it stuck in my head.... there's a sample of a maybe 70's song "dance have a party" or maybe "lets have a party" and wondered if anyone could id this for me. i really dug when they turned on the house lights for this one, it was lots'o fun..! t.soup.... generic tagline: no quote today because my brain is broken. so there. email: s0176326@cc.ysu.edu \ jffocht@gateway.cis.ysu.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 23:12:32 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA17321; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:11:42 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA02948; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 17:08:15 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 17:08:15 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: itheo@edsi.appleton.wi.us Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: itheo@edsi.appleton.wi.us (Eric Thiel) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Damn and balst... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Sorry...balst=blast... Well...as usual, my ride backed out on D-day, but Up-side down is definate. I *may* be helping with that deal posted earlier... I hope to see you all up there, 'cause it should be wild. Any plans to road-trip up to Mouse's event? We could arrange to meet along the way(Hixton?...home of Furthur) and caravan the rest of the way. Let me know... Watch for me, with the little red "wed" or brown "thur" stickers...Caiou... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 3 23:21:40 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA17935; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:20:59 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA04877; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 17:16:04 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 17:16:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199411032315.SAA19292@little-miami.iac.net> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: quest@iac.net Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: quest@iac.net (Johnny Quest) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Back... Again.. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey all! I'm back for awhile until I can't keep up again.. Hope to see some of you at my party this weekend! Laters -- |O|=======================================================================|O| |O| / /\ is quest@iac.net President of : /|_|_ (r) |O| |O| \/ohnny \\uest /-|R|WORX |O| |O| --------------- 513.524.3403 | | |O| |O| -- finger quest@iac.net for info! -- (_)NLIMITED |O| |O|=======================================================================|O| From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 00:36:13 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA19867; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:35:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA19062; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:31:36 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:31:36 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ1WCPKRLU000NEL@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: 948191KF@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: 948191KF@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: delete this X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO \testing 1 2 3 4 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 01:11:37 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA20587; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:11:04 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA23922; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:04:18 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:04:18 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ1XA658DE000NEL@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: 948191KF@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: 948191KF@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Directions to Upside Down X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Madison- 151 north to 26 north to 41 north exit shawano/ hwy 29 and go west (left) GO ABOUT 10 MINUTES hwy 32 towards pulaski going north (right) 1st road on left 1st driveway on left Milwaukee or Chicago- 94 north to 43 north in green bay take 172 west towards a.straubel get on 41 north exit hwy 29/ shawano ave and go west (left) go about 10 minutes take hwy 32 north towards pulaski. first road on left first driveway on left Minneapolis 94 east to 29 east through shawano hwy 32 north towards pulaski first road on left first driveway on left want more specific directions? call kimm 414.434.2701 or voicemail in your area. chicago 312.509.8068 milwaukee 414.777.3998 minneapolis 612.946.5938 madison 608.258.0003 green bay 414.234.4214 space- the homestead. phone number there: 865.7444 see ya sat! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 01:45:41 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA21464; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:45:21 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA29712; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:42:53 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:42:53 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: massive@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Lucas Jay Zimmer To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: LIQUID LOVE 12.17.94 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO on D e c e m b e r 17th, 1 9 9 4 come be immersed in L I Q U I D L O V E in Appleton, Wi with David Hollands Efex Kenny Gino (Muncie, Ind.) (The Assailant) (Memphis, Tn.) Chicago Liquid Love Tribe Davey Dave Gene Farris Martin Frymire (HPS Records) (HPS Records/ RR Records) (Deep Tribe) Chicago Chicago Chicago live pa by: Tripper Information Systems Al G. (phisics records) (Deep Tribe) 'last wisconsin performance before '95 world tour. Milwaukee plus many other special guests to be announced!! stay tuned for more info, plus additional djs. Brought to you by the people that brought you... Shanti... Mosaic... and Rustic. Pavalon rx, Liquid Love Tribe, Massive Magazine, Network 10, Serotonin Protocal, and many others!!! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 03:43:27 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA23952; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 22:42:30 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA16191; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 21:38:46 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 21:38:46 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: jerry@a rave? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey everyone...i read this on adam curry's (formerly of Mtv) mailing list...i thought it was kind of amusing:) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= * THE GRATEFUL DEAD's JERRY GARCIA attended the first ever rave mass on Saturday night. It was held at Grace Cathedral in San Francisco. A group of 35 Anglicans from Sheffield, England performed the service, which included techno music, Latin chants, a multi-media show, Tai-Chi, silent meditation and rave dancers wearing virtual reality goggles. (DA/DI/DB) -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=--=-=-=-= interesting concept...don'tcha think?:) l8r ellen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 04:08:22 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA24496; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 23:07:45 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA19501; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 22:04:17 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 22:04:17 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: plastik@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Plus 8 Records To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Detroit/MI this weekend? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO This weekend in Detroit there's POWER..... DJ's: dbx, mike dearborn, acid pimp, Himadri, jamie hodge and matthew hawtin call: 810-258-grin From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 04:28:25 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA24869; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 23:27:36 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA22621; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 22:22:43 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 22:22:43 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: plastik@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Plus 8 Records To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: FREE EXTACY! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Thu, 3 Nov 1994, Lucas Jay Zimmer wrote: > Well, I had to get your attention somehow... > > Our scene is heavily based on drug use and it is well beyond any > bickering whether it is right or wrong. It is neither. From my personal > drug use, i have found that, if used in the right environment and for the > right reasons, there is revelation and realization. unfortunatly, my > drug use at raves has not resulted in any of the above- only confusion > and utter idiocy... with but one realization: that these parties are > about breaking down walls between each other and learning what it is about > to be human- a social and loving being that stands out from mother > nature's other creations and laws... survival of the fittest and live and > let die. we are here for each other- to help each other and make the > world a better place for one another. drugs, on the other hand, are for > personal realization. to break down the walls that are within yourself. > to smash what you have been taught and create your own thoughts and > opinions. to use drugs at raves is to confuse the purpose of the two. > two rights making a wrong, or worse yet, doing nothing at all for you. > > but this is all in my theory. > another way to look at this all is that some of us are working toward a > goal to make this 'rave thing' an integral and successful part of our > lives while the others are blowing their $30 + a weekend and getting > burned out and in the end have nothing to show for themselves except > empty pockets, bad health and mental addiction. > we will leave you behind. > > as for rave politics... > the best way to avoid problems is to avoid the politics. > this means don't get caught up in all the shit and just enjoy yourself. > don't talk openly about other's drug selling or what you think their > motives for doing parties are. > don't play their game. > > matt mot massive > > > I thing what some people have to realize is that these "RAVES" are not a fleeting part of our society, but is a growing part of a sub-culture that has yet to really be heard over here in North America. Raves are what has brought many people together, from all over the country and all over the world. Sure they are there for fun and enjoyment, but there is also a serious side to the "rave" phenomenon. Just look at all the artists, labels, promotors, and other individuals who now make this scene what it is and who rely on it for their bread and butter. It doesn't mean that everyone can do it for a living, but it does mean that these people deserve alittle more respect than they get. To go to a party is not just about going to a "rave", it's about going to somebodies(') creative idea about what a "rave", and how they can bring more people together, under one roof, for (most) of the same reasons. It's not always that this is achieved however.... Sorry this is so scattered...but I think i made a point somewhere ! matthew From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 04:38:18 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA25091; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 23:37:43 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA23994; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 22:34:12 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 22:34:12 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: massive@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Lucas Jay Zimmer To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: LIQUID LOVE VOICELINES X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO by the way... to know more about LIquid Love on December 17th... call: 414.777.EXTC massive posse 414.939.0473 liquid love line more listings in da future.... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 07:03:42 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA28996; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 02:03:04 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA10260; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 01:00:15 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 01:00:15 -0600 Message-Id: <04NOV94.02134572.0012.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MKAMMERE@NMU.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Kammerer, Mark J" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Forward: First Internet War/Glob al Vote Intervention (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well kidz, this came through on another list and since I haven't seen it here yet thought I'd pass it on. mark joseph the brain farm > *******BETTER LIVING THROUGH BETTER LIVING********* > > > > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 09:50:33 -0500 (EST) >From: Michael D. Damore >To: iww-list >Cc: iww news , 1-union <1-union@lever.com>, > anarchy-list >Subject: Forward: First Internet War/Global Vote Intervention (fwd) > >This may have potential. Pass iy on. Perhaps we should kick around an >idea to flood our own little police state with anti-Crime bill protests. > >SOli, >Mike D' > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:19:58 -0800 >From: Nathan Newman >To: Multiple recipients of list LEFT-L > <@uvmvm.uvm.edu:LEFT-L@UCBCMSA.bitnet> >Subject: Forward: First Internet War/Global Vote Intervention (fwd) > >Thought folks might find this interesting and possibly worthwhile. > >***** Nathan Newman: newman@garnet.berkeley.edu ******* > > >US INVADES U.K. >First Internet Global Vote Defense of Democratic Rights! >(D-Day) SATURDAY NOV. 5, FROM 7 PM [Pacific Time] > >THIS FIRST INTERNET "WAR", WILL DO FOR THE INTERNET WHAT >TIENANMEN DID FOR THE FAX MACHINE! > >The United Kingdom Govt.'s Criminal Justice Bill, about to be >finally approved by the House of Lords, THREATENS THE RIGHT OF >ALL GLOBAL CITIZENS TO ASSEMBLE . With legal developments in >Western countries increasingly interconnected, THIS ASSAULT, IF >WE IGNORE IT, WILL ULTIMATELY THREATEN INTERNET "ASSEMBLY" >ITSELF > >Unlike the 1989 Fax for Freedom in support of Chinese students >in Tienanmen Square, the Internet community is now empowered to >vote on GLOBAL ISSUES. by electronically "assembling" to voice >actual world opinion. > >Vote with your fingers to affect world history! > >What to do / How to spread the meme > >1. Replicate: Before D Day (Data Day) November 5th, alert >your internet cyber-community by distributing this message as >far as possible. > >2. E-MAIL your PROTEST: On D Day, November 5th 1994, from 7PM >onwards, e-mail the attached protest or your own personalised >response to as many UK addresses as possible (Companies, >Company Presidents, Ministers, Media, private Citizens as well >as your own national/ local government officials). > >3. PARTICIPATE: On D Day, November 5th 1994, if you live in >the Bay Area, SF, come to our protest party, and help out our >Invasion Task Force with expertise, hardware, software and >wetware. If not, discuss the implications of this issue in as >many forums as possible or organise you own Data Gathering. > >4 E-MAIL your VOTE a) YES, I abhor this bill OR b) NO, this >has nothing to do with me TO the internet number below > >SPONSORS > >The worldwide CyberinVasion of the UK consciousness will be >launched officially at Timothy Leary's Chaos & Cyberculture >Book Launch/Rave hosted by Club Megatripolis in downtown San >Francisco on Data Day, Saturday November 5th 1994 (coinciding >with Guy Fawkes Day, a British National Holiday celebrating the >only "Guy" to ever try and blow up the British Parliament). > >"Task Force Commodore" Dr Timothy Leary will personally >initiate the cybrinvasion at a currently secret HQ in Downtown >San Francisco with a Telephone Call to Prime Minister John >Major, at 10 Downing Street, London. > >Chaos Strategist: Prof. Ralph Abraham > >Aides de Campe Bruce Eisner, and Zippy Rave-u-Gees Fraser >Clark, Michael John and Reality Technician, David Dei > >Internet Intelligence Captain Crunch,. > >Information Line 415 281 KNOW Email: Zippy@Morph.Com > > >PROTEST MESSAGE: >Recognizing that the principle involved in the British Criminal >Justice Bill now awaiting final approval by the House of Lords >involves the banning of "gatherings of more than 10 people on >public land" may eventually be introduced into my home country >and eventually Internet "gatherings" in the public land of >Cyberia, we, the Undersigned, protest with all our hearts and >will. And we implore you to do all in you power to erase this >shamefull bill and its intention from planetary consciousness. > >Signed: > >[United Kingdom e-mail addresses are available via publications >such as the Internet Yellow Pages and other resource lists] > >-ENDS- > > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 07:30:27 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA29308; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 02:29:43 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA11971; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 01:26:58 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 01:26:58 -0600 Message-Id: <941104013945657242@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: read if you don't have PGP X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Today, if the Government wants to violate the privacy of ordinary citizens, it has to expend a certain amount of expense and labor to intercept and steam open and read paper mail, and listen to and possibly transcribe spoken telephone conversation. This kind of labor-intensive monitoring is not practical on a large scale. This is only done in important cases when it seems worthwhile. More and more of our private communications are being routed through electronic channels. Electronic mail is gradually replacing conventional paper mail. E-mail messages are just too easy to intercept and scan for interesting keywords. This can be done easily, routinely, automatically, and undetectably on a grand scale. International cablegrams are already scanned this way on a large scale by the NSA. We are moving toward a future when the nation will be crisscrossed with high capacity fiber optic data networks linking together all our increasingly ubiquitous personal computers. E-mail will be the norm for everyone, not the novelty it is today. The Government will protect our E-mail with Government-designed encryption protocols. Probably most people will trust that. But perhaps some people will prefer their own protective measures. Senate Bill 266, a 1991 omnibus anti-crime bill, had an unsettling measure buried in it. If this non-binding resolution had become real law, it would have forced manufacturers of secure communications equipment to insert special "trap doors" in their products, so that the Government can read anyone's encrypted messages. It reads: "It is the sense of Congress that providers of electronic communications services and manufacturers of electronic communications service equipment shall insure that communications systems permit the Government to obtain the plain text contents of voice, data, and other communications when appropriately authorized by law." This measure was defeated after rigorous protest from civil libertarians and industry groups. In 1992, the FBI Digital Telephony wiretap proposal was introduced to Congress. It would require all manufacturers of communications equipment to build in special remote wiretap ports that would enable the FBI to remotely wiretap all forms of electronic communication from FBI offices. Although it never attracted any sponsors in Congress because of citizen opposition, it will be reintroduced in 1993. Most alarming of all is the White House's bold new encryption policy initiative, under development at NSA for four years, and unveiled April 16th, 1993. The centerpiece of this initiative is a Government-built encryption device, called the "Clipper" chip, containing a new classified NSA encryption algorithm. The Government is encouraging private industry to design it into all their secure communication products, like secure phones, secure FAX, etc. AT&T is now putting the Clipper into all their secure voice products. The catch: At the time of manufacture, each Clipper chip will be loaded with its own unique key, and the Government gets to keep a copy, placed in escrow. Not to worry, though-- the Government promises that they will use these keys to read your traffic only when duly authorized by law. Of course, to make Clipper completely effective, the next logical step would be to outlaw other forms of cryptography. If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy. Intelligence agencies have access to good cryptographic technology. So do the big arms and drug traffickers. So do defense contractors, oil companies, and other corporate giants. But ordinary people and grassroots political organizations mostly have not had access to affordable "military grade" public-key cryptographic technology. Until now. PGP empowers people to take their privacy into their own hands. There's a growing social need for it. Pretty Good Privacy Public Key Encryption for the Masses From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 09:30:32 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA00657; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 04:30:20 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA15904; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 03:27:16 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 03:27:16 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: massive@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Lucas Jay Zimmer To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: MASSIVE TEE'S X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey, gang... here's the rundown on the shirts... DESIGN #1 is the girl from the cover of issue #666 of Massive- artwork by MOST. She is in full color on the front. on the middle of the back is the 'upside down adidas logo' massive logo. these shirts are only available in white XL. they are $12.00 plus $2.00 s/h (the more you order, the better- postage is $2.00 regardless). DESIGN #2 is a white print massive logo on the front only. shirt colors available right now ar: black, forest green, burgundy, purple, royal blue, and grey. XL only. other colors and sizes are available through special request. thet are $12 + $2 s/h. send checks and money orders to: massive tee's po box 11373 milwaukee, wi 53211 call 414.777.EXTC or e-mail to this address for any questions or requests. watch for more designs guarenteed to make you cool in the future. evissam tom ttam - erocdrah gnikcuf. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 10:18:03 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id FAA01039; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 05:17:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA16995; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 04:15:07 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 04:15:07 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: bread and butter X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO it is very true what matthew says about there being a very serious aspect to raves...which has only started here recently. a sub-culcha of music, dance, and often drugs (NOT ALWAYS-no flames please) has arisen...one whose stance towards technology is different than those before. never, not since the days of the telephone (whose usage grew 10fold over the first ten years of its existence) has a group of people this big taken such an accepting stance towards technology. we embrace it! the fact that so many of us communicate with each other through _this_ means (whereby most of us have no idea what each other look like) is indicative of our openness to make technology work for us. you can approach this from many other angles (which have already been blabbed about before) such as tribal communal bullshit, the punk attitude, dj culture, the relative anonymity of the music, and other shit the point being that it sher as hell is more than just FUN (tho of course all i said above is just an excuse to rave anyways!!!!) ++ e d w a r d l u n a From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 13:33:18 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id IAA03573; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 08:33:00 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id HAA23523; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 07:30:17 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 07:30:17 -0600 Message-Id: <9411031239.D3478Da@theden.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: nitro@theden.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: nitro@theden.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ah ha! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ->I am embarrassed to know this, but it is in fact HAMMER who used ->the phrase as the tilte to his new album, using it repeatedly ->throughout. I haven't heard it and don't want to hear it, but I ->read it in a magazine because someone wrote in to complain how ->incessently he used it. luv daniel e Ahhh so THAT'S where it's from... ah well, that's o.k.. why? cause... you know... It's AWWWWWLLLL gooood... :) -/\/- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 13:34:10 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id IAA03587; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 08:34:02 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id HAA23683; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 07:31:46 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 07:31:46 -0600 Message-Id: <9411031239.D4218Mh@theden.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: nitro@theden.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: nitro@theden.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Net.rave name... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ->Let's not ignore or forget this kind offer! She said she needs a ->name, so help out with some ideas. (It's in Athens...) Connected. I like it. :) or just connect. actually.. you could just call it clarence. :) -/\/- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 15:01:26 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA05234; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:01:01 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA03732; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 08:58:02 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 08:58:02 -0600 Message-Id: <941104045817705196@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Tapes and stuff X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO A lot of you have sent me blank tapes to dub event for you. In fact, I have received over 50 tapes this week alone. Some of you even donated money, Thank you. Since I have only two double tapes decks, it takes time to dub, so be patient. First come first serve. Xanadu is now available after fixing a small problem : my tape charger deck only recorded Xanadu on each B side of the 6 tapes put in. And on tape was saturated because some DJ's think that being in the red on the mixing board is coll, but all that does is saturate level, create distortions (which will blow speakers and make the sound sound really bad). Xanadu : 2 90minutes tapes. Also someone (I will not give his or hes name) sent me tapes and a few A. PLEASE do NOT do that. The DEA and TBI are really bad in Nashville. My phone line is taped and my mail is opened. All this could have done is get me in a lot of trouble like getting my ass kicked out of this country and/or jail times and fines and lossing all my equipement I worked so hard for. I am clean, so keep me clean. Thank you. French E aka Davis J. Bassan "There is a limit to everything, know yours" "Music is my religion, what is yours?" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 15:27:46 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA05772; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:27:38 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA07765; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:23:29 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:23:29 -0600 Message-Id: <9411040906.ZM3584@gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mb@gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Mark Bowen" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: rave mass?? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > group of 35 Anglicans from Sheffield, England performed the >service, which included techno music, Latin chants, a multi-media >show, Tai-Chi, silent meditation and rave dancers wearing virtual >reality goggles. (DA/DI/DB) Tai Chi as performance art? *Techno* Music and Silent meditation? Rave Dancing as a spectator sport? Is that cool? From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 15:57:27 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA06302; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:57:08 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA16708; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:52:07 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:52:07 -0600 Message-Id: <199411041546.PAA24068@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: rave mass?? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >> group of 35 Anglicans from Sheffield, England performed the >>service, which included techno music, Latin chants, a multi-media >>show, Tai-Chi, silent meditation and rave dancers wearing virtual >>reality goggles. (DA/DI/DB) > >Tai Chi as performance art? Tai Chi forms can be. Wu Su and other forms of Chinese dance/art/whatever have been performed both for oneself and others for thousands of years. >*Techno* Music and Silent meditation? Why not? I recall at 303 for a several hours all I did was stand by the bar with my eyes closed, "meditating". :-) I remember at I.O. Sunday morning there was this extremely cool group of people out in a field doing stretching excercises and what not, to the sound of a gong. Very cool. Very very cool. >Rave Dancing as a spectator sport? If any of the parties that I have been to are any indication, this has been going on for some time. There always seem to be people sitting around, just watching people dance. >Is that cool? I think so. By trying to define what a rave should or shouldn't be, we're closing our minds to what other possibilities of enjoyment are out there. To me, it's about exploring yourself and others and basically having a really good time. I think there will continually be a stream of people coming into our scene who will either _do_ something, or _watch_ something being done. I don't feel that I should dictate one over the other... if you come to an event and enjoy yourself then that's all there is to it. Isn't it? You can do drugs or not do drugs, dance or not dance, talk to people or stay by yourself. We're each incredibly unique individuals, and by celebrating these differences instead of trying to goad others into conforming to how we think they should or shouldn't act I feel we can only grow and eventually come even closer together. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 15:58:48 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA06330; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:58:39 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA17156; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:53:44 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:53:44 -0600 Message-Id: <9411041547.AA112749@student5.cl.msu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: macqueen@student.msu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Matthew S Macqueen" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Ambient magazine X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey everyone, this was in the alt.zines newsgroup and I thought mw-raves might be interested, kind of reminds me of Dan Sicko's outstanding "REVERB" electronic zine. Here you go: Halflife ---> Matt MacQueen macqueen@student.msu.edu PS- If you live in or near East Lansing, there's a party tonight (Fri Nov.4th), called E=MC^2. THis is the second party in out tiny but growing event collective here, I was hoping some people from treetown might stop by... the house is not the biggest but the vibe will be! Real PA equip. and lights too, woo! Call (517)371-8542. peace :) > Message-Id: <9411040208.AA58637@student1.cl.msu.edu> > X-Sender: corsbria@student1.msu.edu > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 21:11:47 -0500 > To: macqueen@student.msu.edu > From: corsbria@student.msu.edu (SoopaFunkay (c)) > Subject: Amibient Magazine.. > > Newsgroups: alt.zines > Path: > msuinfo!caen!math.ohio-state.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!news.sprintlink.net! > siemens!uunet!gail.ripco.com!lithium > =46rom: lithium@ripco.com (Mike Michon) > Subject: nipples and such =20 > Message-ID: > Sender: usenet@rci.ripco.com (Net News Admin) > Organization: Ripco Internet BBS Chicago > Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 14:38:44 GMT > Lines: 55 > > > ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION > > > a m b i e n t > > m a g a z i n e > > > Ambient magazine is a new electronic magazine that was inspired > by Macintosh hypercard stacks of the same nature that are distributed= > on > the Internet and other sources. It contains the same basic structure= > as > these stacks and will delve into the same basic topics as popular > subculture magazines like Mondo 2000. > > Ambient magazine will be an electronic forum that will let= > you > write about your favorite topics with these themes: > > Philosophy Technology Art Music > > Topics that may be included under these categories are: > > Appropriation Chaos Industrial Cyberpunk > Smart Drugs The Net Zines Punk Surrealism > Techno Fringe Science Rave Virtual Reality > Sex Dadaism Religion Poetry Politics Dancing > Spirituality Revolutionary Electronics New Age Thought > > If you would like to join the ambient magazine team, please > email Lithium on this board, or on the Internet at lithium@ripco.com. > Please mention what the topic of the article(s) will be, and you'll= > be > sure to get into the next issue with credit to you. > > You can submit poetry, regular text, original song lyrics, > whatever... just express yourself. > > If you would also like to review your favorite album, please > send that in. The current version of ambient magazine has a CD review > section that will support reviews of modern music CD's, so send 'em= > in, > and P R O P O G A N D I Z E ! > > Ambient is a multimedia magazine that will include digitized > sound and graphics, and will allow the author to imbed graphics and > sound into the text, to make it even cooler. If you do include extra > files, please uuencode them and attach them to a message. Sound= > files > can be in Windows Wav, Macintosh Sound, or Raw formats. Graphics= > should > preferably be in Gif format. > > Anybody that submits text will be able to ftp the pre-release > full-working demo of ambient magazine. Thanks for you time and > interest. > > --- > =9C SEX FOR ME =9C Contact ambient magazine at lithium@ripco.com > =20 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 16:12:18 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA06687; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:11:51 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA20185; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:07:36 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:07:36 -0600 Message-Id: <04NOV94.11986939.0090.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MKAMMERE@NMU.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Kammerer, Mark J" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: read if you don't have PGP X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > > PGP empowers people to take their privacy into their own hands. > There's a growing social need for it. > > Pretty Good Privacy > Public Key Encryption for the Masses > Sounds good to me. Where do I sign up? What do I have to do to get it? mark josef the brain farm From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 16:25:08 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA06992; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:24:46 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA22226; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:17:18 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:17:18 -0600 Message-Id: <199411041617.KAA22184@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve J White To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: read if you don't have PGP X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO In a technologically-induced stupor, Kammerer, Mark J flatly stated... ::Sounds good to me. Where do I sign up? What do I have to do to get it? The trouble with using PGp now is that it isn't really user-friendly. It takes a fairly good knowledge of UNIX, e-mail and file systems so if any of these areas are a bit foggy for you stop by your local, favorite UNIX Help Desk and get sht skinny on this. Lasciate ogni autonomia, steven j. white aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu voi che entrate! finger for PGP 2.6 public key ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ see? =) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 16:33:47 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA07202; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:33:26 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA24942; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:29:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:29:00 -0600 Message-Id: <9411041628.AA28694@picard.cs.wisc.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jovian@cs.wisc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: jovian@cs.wisc.edu (Jon Yankovich) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: TV corruption. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >> says it's "cool". Oh well. Just wanted to say my peace. >well, is it anything unusual? like i said, today's underground it >tomorrow's pop. And today's undergound is yeasterday's England scene. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 16:37:43 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA07292; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:37:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA25244; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:30:24 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:30:24 -0600 Message-Id: <9411041628.AA28703@picard.cs.wisc.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jovian@cs.wisc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: jovian@cs.wisc.edu (Jon Yankovich) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Self Defense For Ravers - Part 1 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >>Sound System - recent experiments have demonstrated that certain sound >>frequencies can be tuned to resonate and rupture internal organs. DJs >>should always carry a few records with such sounds at renegade parties. >>Do not mix these up with normal record collection. Aim speakers at >>antagonists, play at normal volume. The military had developed a crowd control weapon that created a noise which caused the colon and lower intestines to resinate in such a manor as to cause loss of poopy-control. The only problem is that it wasn't directional... Anyone activating the device would end up shitting their pants too. -jon From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 16:38:57 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA07339; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:38:45 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA26087; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:33:58 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:33:58 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: z943159@corn.cso.niu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: mRay To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: TV corruption. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Fri, 4 Nov 1994, Jon Yankovich wrote: > >well, is it anything unusual? like i said, today's underground it > >tomorrow's pop. > And today's undergound is yeasterday's England scene. straight up -- why dont we move to bloody england i know id probably enjoy myself more there ._.-. .-._. mRay ) ( z943159@corn.cso.niu.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 16:51:57 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA07577; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:51:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA28892; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:47:12 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 10:47:12 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: roommate needed!!!!! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO we need a roommate!! available now-200 a mo. +bills wich are really low due to the fact that there are 4 people here already. call for more info(414-963-4683) why are we posting this to mwr? BECAUSE WE LIKE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! dan, ben, jonah, shannon & tonya InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 18:01:49 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA09344; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:00:42 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA14822; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:56:30 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:56:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199411041753.JAA13544@taz.hyperreal.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: francois@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Francois Dion To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: More PGP and audio on hyperreal X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Dans la Matrice, Steve J White a dit: > > In a technologically-induced stupor, Kammerer, Mark J flatly stated... > ::Sounds good to me. Where do I sign up? What do I have to do to get it? > > The trouble with using PGp now is that it isn't really user-friendly. It > takes a fairly good knowledge of UNIX, e-mail and file systems so if any of And you also need a good understanding of public key encryption, else it could be dangerous (well depending on the type of info you send...:P). Note also that it is possible to know with a device what you are typing on your keyboard, so if you are already under "observation" forget it. (how, you ask? well thru RF caused by the bus... this can be picked up a good distance away, even if your computer is supposedly shielded). Anyway, this is not very rave related... sorry about that. BTW, i take this opportunity to tell people that if they have some audio stuff they want to put on hyperreal, to please use .au for low-fi (voice, examples whatever) and .mp2 (mpeg 1 layer 2) for hi-fi audio (music). If you cant use mpeg on your machine for whatever reason (check out /tools on hyperreal however), you can upload .wav or .aif files, in 16 bit 44KHz if your hardware allows this. Use the highest setting your hardware allows. We will then compress these into mpeg. Players for these exist for almost all platforms (for now we only have a converter for macintosh, but soon there should be a player too). (ftp://hyperreal.com/tools) Ciao, -- Francois Dion (IdMEDIA) [> Email: francois@hyperreal.com <] ' [> C.P. 278, St-Lambert, QC, Canada, J4P 2N8 <] [> Raving Up North Ezine: run-request@hyperreal.com, subject: help <] From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 18:04:33 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA09465; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:04:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA15904; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:01:10 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:01:10 -0600 Message-Id: <941104125659879531@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Fwd: Re: Self Defense For Rav... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Back in 1968, the French police develop the Servo drive to control riot. In 1968, there was a big riot organized by the student because they were sick and tired of the gvt. Check you history books. anyway at 9 hertz, you will shit in you pants. at 11 hz you will feel like you are in the south pole. pEace and out. --------------------- Forwarded message: Subj: Re: Self Defense For Ravers -... Date: 94-11-04 12:54:39 EST From: MaxximumSL To: jovian@cs.wisc.edu Back in 1968, the French police develop the Servo drive to control riot. In 1968, there was a big riot organized by the student because they were sick and tired of the gvt. Check you history books. anyway at 9 hertz, you will shit in you pants. at 11 hz you will feel like you are in the south pole. pEace and out. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 18:40:17 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA10397; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:39:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA22902; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:32:57 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:32:57 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: tanksley@turing.uncg.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: William Tanksley To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: song id?? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Thu, 3 Nov 1994, TROUT SOUP wrote: > > i heard this song at harmony and have it stuck in my head.... there's a > sample of a maybe 70's song "dance have a party" or maybe "lets have a > party" and wondered if anyone could id this for me. i really dug when > they turned on the house lights for this one, it was lots'o fun..! > t.soup.... > > generic tagline: no quote today because my brain is broken. so there. > email: s0176326@cc.ysu.edu \ jffocht@gateway.cis.ysu.edu > > > Well, two artists come to mind... Does the line go "Come on, rock somebody... let the music lift you up... Let's all have a party...." ??? There's Loveland's "Let The Music Lift You Up" which came out domestic this summer, and it's on there. There's also the Parks And Wilson version on Stress Records (import) that I believe is far superior. What the heck, get both! The second version is on one of my tapes "A Brighter Day"... If you'd like it (it's on high-quality tape), send $4 to my address. See ya! --------------------------------------mr.bill :) 336 Bellemeade, #201 Greensboro, NC 27401 *** If you want it, be sure and ask for "A Brighter Day", so I won't just assume you want the latest tape instead. "A Brighter Day" was made in June. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 19:43:15 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA12133; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 14:43:08 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA07408; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:38:48 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:38:48 -0600 Message-Id: <9411041950.AA02439@blackhawks.d2.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: fixer@d2.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: fixer@d2.com (Robert Smith) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: read if you don't have PGP X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Reprinted without permission from: Steve J White [The trouble with using PGp now is that it isn't really user-friendly. It [takes a fairly good knowledge of UNIX, e-mail and file systems so if any of [these areas are a bit foggy for you stop by your local, favorite UNIX Help [Desk and get sht skinny on this. [ There are Windows-based front-ends at least. I'm not sure what there is for Mac, but I'd hope something exists. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ fixer@d2.com is Robert Smith Digital Domain phone: 310/314-2920 300 Rose Avenue fax: 310/314-2866 Venice, CA 90291 _____________________________________________________________________________ "I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of gum" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 19:47:08 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA12227; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 14:46:53 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA08011; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:40:51 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 13:40:51 -0600 Message-Id: <9411041941.AA01567@emunix.emich.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sharifi@emunix.emich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: sharifi@emunix.emich.edu (Surfer Al) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: FREE EXTACY! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Here we go again. Some people just don't get it. Young, pseudo progressive "kids" who are new to raves/UNDERGROUNDS have discovered that yes there is drug use. These quasi-intellectual kids are repulsed by the fact that someone has the audacity to wreck the "fun, tribal, global gathering, community developing, world peace bringn'" RAVE. Face it people, undergrounds and raves had originated from people's desire to let loose. To let loose and say "the hell with it" is the attitude that propelled the idea of making the party bigger, better. Kind of like an urban Roman Orgy:) The suspence of partying illegally made it more exciting. Since it was illegal anyway, being merry by any means just see to be a natural extension. You could blast the music as loud as you want. You could dance as long as you want. You could drink as much as you want. Lastly, you could do drugs if you wanted to. The early crowds were a homogeneous group. They all had the same idea that the conventional means of having fun had grown stade. Their view of drugs didn't have a moral or social implications attached to them. The only inferences from drugs were good trips, bad trips, possible death, and short term economical implications. As the group grew, the notion of a gathering of some sort sprouted. Now the crowds are bigger and more diverse and there's a new "progressive" social angle to it. The virtues of the Golden Rule are spoken of so easily and freely that its meaning is lost. "Live and let live" has had ammendments made to it buy younger, more "aware", and "righteous" people. The new generation's ammendment is "Judge and be judged" cause we all know they're right. So I'm writting this gripe, like I did months ago, following the trendy new dogma. This whole post is a judgemental view of the new "Rave Culture/Sub culture". I remmember a time when the prevailing attitude was "If it feels good, and it doesn't hurt anybody, then do it!". THe rise of Aids has put a damper on one of my activities, but there others. Anyway, the attitude of acceptance degraded to tolerance and now to reluctance. We've gone from accepting people for who they are and what they do to tolerating them and their behavior. The tolerance maintained dignity by the fact the intolerant were tolerated; yet the idea of tolerance implies acceptance of something that is not "normal" or "cool". Now it seems that there's a reluctance to dispense the respect that we pat ourselves on the back for. We are all hypocrites to some degree. No one is perfect. There's hypocrisy in this post. Coming to realize this adds different perspectives which can only broaden the reference from which make decisions. I could just bitch and moan over the net, complaining about the teeny boppers who: grew up listening to the New Kids..., gather in their own little groups, rarely interact with strangers, and pointing out the "weird" outfits. If you don't like to see drugs and its use then don't come. It's expected of an uderground subculture to have some constituents that go against the grain. Open drug use is one of them. If you pay seven bucks, but hate drugs, then there are plenty of dance clubs around. If you want to pay seven bucks to escape the confines of clubs and the conventional notion of parties, then buy all means...join the "celebration" Spelling and cohesive content management is not my strong point, so don't send a flame pointing out. It seems that every year I see the bitch and moan posts, and every year I want to air out my opinnion. BTW- You can still wake up with nothing to show for the weekend, with empty pockets, wether you do "shit" or not. Hope to hear different slants. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A wave over a rave anyday." -- Me. Alex Sharifi sharifi@emunix.emich.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 20:31:04 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA13469; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:30:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA15987; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 14:19:56 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 14:19:56 -0600 Message-Id: <199411042014.UAA04864@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: UPFCLARK@memstvx1.memphis.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: (by way of archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak)) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: rave mass?? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO good speech!!! i agree with this totally. i really enjoy going to raves (i've only been to 4 parties), but as of yet, i haven't danced at one. i enjoy the music, the lights, and as you said, watching people dance. it's so cool to see people express themselves in that way. well, that's about all. sorry to return this to you, but i can't for the life of me figure out how to reply to messages and have them go to the listserv. it always sends them back to the individual. any help on this would be *greatly* appreciated. thanx and later paul c smeag [ to send messages to the list when replying, change the "To:" address in your ] [ mailer to "mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu"... -- Craig ] *********************************** ____ ************************************* * Paul F Clark * / \ * Conformity has always been * * upfclark@msuvx1.memphis.edu * / /\ \ * the greatest fear of * * *********** \ \/ / *********** enlightened * * Smeagol * _______\ /_______ * minds... * * * \_______ _______/ * * *************************** | | ***************************** | | | | | | <____> From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 20:31:24 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA13482; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:31:18 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA16299; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 14:21:35 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 14:21:35 -0600 Message-Id: <199411042021.OAA16231@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve J White To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: read if you don't have PGP X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO In a technologically-induced stupor, Robert Smith flatly stated... [regarding PGP...] :: ::There are Windows-based front-ends at least. I'm not sure what there is ::for Mac, but I'd hope something exists. But isn't what you are talking about VCrypt or some such app.? If it is it isn't free, like PGP is. IF it *is* free where does one find it (ftp site-wise)? Lasciate ogni autonomia, steven j. white aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu voi che entrate! finger for PGP 2.6 public key From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 21:11:24 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA14876; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:09:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA23920; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:01:33 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:01:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199411042101.PAA23807@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: beatpunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: my $0.02 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO A brief tjhought in a parallel frame of mind with the concurrently running thread on drugs vs. raves. This is how I see it. Raves, while admittedly a sub-culture of the larger youth culture and others, have a perfect right to be called a culture in themselves. The rave culture has certain, specific, definable (generally) traits by which it can be recognized, and a general set of goals (ie to be able to party freely, to be able to ask all the questions you want, the usual). The drug sub-culture, on the other hand, is just that - a SUB-culture. The drug sub-culture is a sub-culture of many other NON-SUB-cultures than the rave culture - the drug scene can be found not only at raves, but at GD shows, in kids' basements, in other words, drugs are not exclusive to raves, and are therefore not essential to raves. Drugs can and sometimes do enhance raves, but take away the drugs, and you'll stiull have a room full of crazy looking people danceing to the same music they were before, still interacting socially. Drugs are an accesory. The things that the rave culture could NOT do without, however, are things like the music, the open-minded atmosphere, the vast atmosphere of acceptance and if you're lucky enough even love. Did I make any sense here to anyone? ---------------------------beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu------------------------------ "And the further I get from the things that I care about The less I care about how much further away I get" -Robert Smith From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 21:26:00 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA15885; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:24:20 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA27176; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:16:24 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:16:24 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ33NYIAUY000S3U@UWSTOUT.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: FLOREKT@UWSTOUT.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: FLOREKT@UWSTOUT.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: crowd control sound X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I have heard people talking about the frequency to disable bodyle control. Well there is a product that produces a high pitch sound and theor pitch keeps increasing til it is inaudiable. At this point it causestf Nauseia in a personand make them feel sick to the point were they puke.where Store owners use this to stop solicitation by dogs and teens. It is real e easy to build and you can find it in most electronic device books.book Just a thought from the opposite end on the wavelength. ServoT Tim Florekt Florek@uwstout.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 21:29:29 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA15982; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:28:15 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA27653; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:19:01 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:19:01 -0600 Message-Id: <199411042042.UAA06357@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: read if you don't have PGP X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >In a technologically-induced stupor, Robert Smith flatly stated... >[regarding PGP...] >:: >::There are Windows-based front-ends at least. I'm not sure what there is >::for Mac, but I'd hope something exists. > >But isn't what you are talking about VCrypt or some such app.? If it is it >isn't free, like PGP is. IF it *is* free where does one find it (ftp >site-wise)? Dude, that's what archie's for... -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 21:37:29 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA16163; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:35:52 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA28279; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:21:37 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:21:37 -0600 Message-Id: <199411042043.UAA06376@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: UNIVERSAL LOVE 11.26.94 Chicago X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO saturday, november 26, the midwest unites once again to release its U N I V E R S A L L O V E forward the positive energy D.J. ONIONZ caffeine new york MYSTICAL INFLUENCE dub plate enthusiast top jungalist draw MIKE DUNN djax rythym control recording artist holland chicago JOSH WERNER jango house chicago original DJ SNIPER with special guest MC EZ fat controllers toronto's own syrous massive love reinforcements: MINDRIVE acid funk WILDCHILD intellegent ASTROBOY that deep trance shit, st. love DR. 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Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 21:50:05 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA16455; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:49:07 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA02473; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:39:31 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:39:31 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: rave mass?? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Fri, 4 Nov 1994, Mark Bowen wrote: > > group of 35 Anglicans from Sheffield, England performed the > >service, which included techno music, Latin chants, a multi-media > >show, Tai-Chi, silent meditation and rave dancers wearing virtual > >reality goggles. (DA/DI/DB) > > Tai Chi as performance art? > > *Techno* Music and Silent meditation? > > Rave Dancing as a spectator sport? > > Is that cool? > > > > hey there now... i took tai chi for a damn long time...and let me tell you it is cool as all hell. it is a beautiful, graceful art that provides one inner peace. don't knock it till ya tried it... but...i must agree with you in that it does seem a bit out of place at a rave...serenity and gabber usually are not as compatable as one would like. gretchen e blount From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 22:01:38 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA16753; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 17:00:15 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA05649; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:54:21 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:54:21 -0600 Message-Id: <9411042157.AA04475@blackhawks.d2.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: fixer@d2.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: fixer@d2.com (Robert Smith) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: read if you don't have PGP X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Reprinted without permission from: Steve J White [But isn't what you are talking about VCrypt or some such app.? If it is it [isn't free, like PGP is. IF it *is* free where does one find it (ftp [site-wise)? [ Some guy on the WELL was working on it. I'll see what more I can find out. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ fixer@d2.com is Robert Smith Digital Domain phone: 310/314-2920 300 Rose Avenue fax: 310/314-2866 Venice, CA 90291 _____________________________________________________________________________ "I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of gum" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 22:32:08 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA17565; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 17:30:45 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA11610; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:24:12 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:24:12 -0600 Message-Id: <199411042223.QAA11481@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve J White To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: my $.02 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO In a technologically-induced stupor, beatpunk flatly stated... :: :: Did I make any sense here to anyone? Crystal clear, deconstructionist thought. Well put. =) Lasciate ogni autonomia, steven j. white aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu voi che entrate! finger for PGP 2.6 public key From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 22:45:51 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA17820; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 17:44:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA14885; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:38:16 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:38:16 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: PUBLIC APOLOGY X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO This is just a message in reguard to a post of mine about drugs in the scene. I had said somethings that I shouldn't of said and I believe that I must apologize to the one that the message was about. The message contained a lot of "cheap shots", which I have to say was not very mature of myself to do. The message also contained some accusations that I really can not justify in saying because I had no proof of these claims. This claims if taken seriously could greatly hurt an individual if read by the wrong individuals and taken seriously. The message was written in a sarcastic way. In my case, I was poking fun at an individual and making judgements on them from hear-say, even though I have never met the individual. This in turn I believe was very unfair to him/her on my part. I am sincerely sorry if I put you or anyone you know in an uncomfotable situation, and I hope you accept this apology. To be honest, I am not looking for a fight. Sincerely, John - SiN - Massive ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 4 23:09:16 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA18370; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 18:07:50 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA18723; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 17:01:58 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 17:01:58 -0600 Message-Id: <199411042300.RAA18559@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: marmantr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mark T Armantrout To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: cthulga??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey folks, does anyone know about some software called cthulga. cthugla, or something like that? I saw a post to mwraves or somewhere, about 'this cool program' that I could ftp from somewhere, but I deleted the darn post. Can you help? TIP: don't mess with yer file system when you're stoned. caThead Mark Armantrout (Cathead) AJUST 8 PHISH water, light, marmantr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu or marmantr@indiana.edu language, http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/marmantr.html sound, magic! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 5 00:14:31 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA19651; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 19:12:57 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA28994; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 18:08:57 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 18:08:57 -0600 Message-Id: <199411050003.AAA21905@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: my $0.02 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Beatpunk: >[...] in other words, drugs >are not exclusive to raves, and are therefore not essential to raves. Drugs >can and sometimes do enhance raves, but take away the drugs, and you'll >stiull have a room full of crazy looking people danceing to the same music >they were before, still interacting socially. Drugs are an accesory. Yeah, and so are lights on a car. :-) >From my own personal observations, I feel that the majority of raves I've been to have been _tailored_ for recreational drug use. The way the music's scheduled, the type of music played, locations, etc. I don't think you're going to get 1,500 kids to go nuts for 10 hours straight unless you put something into them besides a smart drink. Unenhanced, people just get _tired_. Yes yes, I know you can go to a party straight and have just as much fun and blah blah blah and dance just as long as blah blah. Those people are in the minority. I'm not dissuading you from doing this if you wish; I personally see things differently. >From what I've come to know, drugs and raves have been intermixed from the most basic levels from the very beginning, and honestly I don't feel that you can realistically seperate them. I honestly think that if drugs were somehow magically made to dissapear tomorrow, raves would either change _radically_ or die out altogether. Ugh. I'm beginning to see the cycles of this mailing list already, and I haven't even been on it a year. I _love_ my drugs. Acid especially. It's the best damn thing I've ever discovered in my entire life. It's changed me almost completely as a person. It's changed my relationships with my friends and people I work with. I take it every weekend, and a lot of the time during the week in the summer. The best times I've _ever_ had in my entire life have been higher than crap dancing in front of a speaker. No, not just dancing in front of a speaker... HIGHER THAN CRAP and dancing in front of a speaker. The music changes, multiplies, transforms... I become engulfed in something, become part of something, turn _into_ something -- it's absolutely incredible. This is what I go to parties for, and take that opportunity away from me and to be honest, I'd have doubts about going to parties anymore. This is who I've become. This is who I am. I'm learning my limits, learning when I've had enough, and when I want to experience more. I feel that I'm having some of the most rewarding and enriching experiences of my entire life -- with new friends and people that I think are some of the neatest people I've ever been fortunate enough to be around. I really do I think I'll look back on this time of my life and wish to relive it again; and not change a thing. I'm truly, truly happy. Raves are a great source of pleasure; perhaps at this very moment a primary source, and drugs play a _vital_ role in that for me. >The >things that the rave culture could NOT do without, however, are things like >the music, the open-minded atmosphere, the vast atmosphere of acceptance and >if you're lucky enough even love. I feel you could have a "rave" without everything but the first thing you mentioned... it just would be a really crappy party. :-) -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 5 02:35:42 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA22341; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 21:34:15 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA12939; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 20:30:20 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 20:30:20 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jayvee@cy.math.uic.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jay Gril To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: read if you don't have PGP X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Fri, 4 Nov 1994, Craig L. Stodolenak wrote: > >In a technologically-induced stupor, Robert Smith flatly stated... > >[regarding PGP...] > >:: > >::There are Windows-based front-ends at least. I'm not sure what there is > >::for Mac, but I'd hope something exists. > > > >But isn't what you are talking about VCrypt or some such app.? If it is it > >isn't free, like PGP is. IF it *is* free where does one find it (ftp > >site-wise)? > > Dude, that's what archie's for... well if you are so smart then be smart to respect the nettiquette rules and dont waste bandwith with something steven and us already know. +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | ______ __ __ ____ ____ | jayvee@cy.math.uic.edu | | / / _ \ \ /\/ /__\ __\ | U16080@uicvm.uic.edu | | _/ / _ \ / / ___\ ___\ | Jayvee@IRC | | \____\_\ /_/_/\__/_____/____/ | jayvee@Vrave | | | | +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | The fun fun fun of the Mid-west Autobahn | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 5 05:54:43 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA25916; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 00:53:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA27482; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 23:48:17 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 23:48:17 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: massive@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Lucas Jay Zimmer To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RAVE POLITICS X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Sorry to be so cold about all of this topic over drugs and politics in the scene, but, it is really very sad. Sad in that most of our party promoters are some kind of major dealer of some sort.. be it E, LSD, or N2O. It is also these same saps that get all fucking touchy about the mentions of their dealings over public readings. Well, what some of these people who are 'striving so hard to keep it underground' and out of the eye of the authoruties is that THEY ARE THE PROBLEM. maybe if this scene wasn't so easily equatable with being a 'drug scene' is would get less notice. the same promoters that are responsible for the distribution of hundreds or thousands hits, pills, and ballons at each party (making HUGE amounts of money) are the same that bitch about the dwindling numbers at some of their parties- which can be attributed to a number of things... perhaps people are burned out or maybe just don't have the cash to shell out every weekend for a bunch of drugs AND the cost of the party and they just give up going all together. another thing that causes people to shy away from parties is the promoters stubborn adherance to 'one kind of music- all night' -- but that is another story. yeah, there would be others who would fill that grug dealer 'gap', but if the whole thing went to shit, i'd feel better if the bood wasn't on MY hands. this automatically makes me wonder what some of the promoters intentions are for throwing these parties- especially after they've created their little flock of sheep that buys drugs from them every weekend. i wonder if the parties would improve if promoter X would spend more time thinking about the party and less about waiting for his hook-ups I have no pity for these kind of people. they made the noose- and they are hanging themselves with it. i am taking personal blame for john's posting here that was shy of out and out naming someone and their actions. but i have no apologies. what he said was only a casual conversation piece that he heard through working around us. what he got, in a matter of a weekend was a full dosage of truth about a lot of people in the scene. things that we all know about these people as a result of dealing with them on a personal basis over the last two years. this doesn't mean that everything he posted came out our mouths, he drew some conclusions of his own (car payments and such) that we didn't mention. what this all boils down to is a thing I call 'journalitis'- a ailment that strikes those of us whose responsiblity it is to report stuff. it is always bound to happen that you find things out about people that are really suprising and you just want to say something.... john did. what he posted was uncalled for. he said something that he really saw as a problem and said something about it. now he's guilty. now he's been threatened. his fellow ravers are ashamed of him. his dog won't talk to him. in my book, he's all right. he addressed a problem (the wrong way, i'll admit) and we should look at it. i'd like to see if any of these drug dealing promoters would give it up- the money, the fame, the scummyness. personally, i stand behind john and his actions. i'm sick of seeing a few people's greed slowly erradicating our scene. for the record though, from massive magazine...... no comment. matt From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 5 06:13:34 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA26153; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 01:12:15 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA28866; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 00:07:50 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 00:07:50 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ37B23OZMHTRZDU@BSUVC.bsu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: 00tjcrawford@bsuvc.bsu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: 00tjcrawford@bsuvc.bsu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Out for the wknd... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey gang, Hope everyone's planning a provacative yet safe wknd. I have to say for that I've been quite pleased with the thouoght and integrity put into these recent posts. We're the ones who define us so these open lines of communication are critical to expanding ourselves as well as "catching up" the new-comers to the scene. So glad to have had the XANADU experience, DJing for you guys is the best. All of you are definitely the most supportive people I know (except my parents :-]). Don't forget, Roo and Tigger, I'll need some help IDing everybody in that HUGE group photo I took (15 people). That's all for now - I'm going to Voyager under the Brooklyn Bridge tomorrow night and to Cincinnati tonite. Peace and Love, Yours In the Groove, Mind of the Perpetual Vibe, --David Hollands-- --Ball State University, Muncie, IN-- 24 Hr Indy Event Info 317.899.8100 Vox @ 317.288.6277 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 5 06:29:13 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA26444; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 01:27:53 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA00737; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 00:19:12 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 00:19:12 -0600 Message-Id: <199411050619.BAA20463@bohr.physics.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: wells@physics.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Jay R. Wells" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: xanadu souvenier and last post X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey all! this is jay coming atcha one last time.... I have compiled a little souvenier for all of you xanadu-fanatics! It's called XANADONE and it's a compilation of all the mwraves posts about xanadu from the last week. Feel the Thrill one more time! *achem* well, if you want a copy, just email me and i'll zip it right out to 'ya. See you all in the future! no more mwraves for me for a while! jay <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve J White To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: my $0.02 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO In a technologically-induced stupor, Craig L. Stodolenak flatly stated... :: ::This is who I've become. This is who I am. I'm learning my limits, ::learning when I've had enough, and when I want to experience more. I feel ::that I'm having some of the most rewarding and enriching experiences of my ::entire life -- with new friends and people that I think are some of the ::neatest people I've ever been fortunate enough to be around. I really do I ::think I'll look back on this time of my life and wish to relive it again; ::and not change a thing. I'm truly, truly happy. This is the element of raves that makes me sad. If you can't ever have 'a good time' (knowing full well that that statement is value-laden) without acid then I think maybe your life is a bit out of alignment. Friends I have had in the past who have chosen a similar path have burned out because, even though you seem to have a handle on your limits, those limits will always be pushed further and further. Eventually the mindset of 'no limits' will set in. People burn out from drug use over a protracted period of time. Your body simply can't deal with acid every single weekend and come out unmangled. I know this statement opens me up for major flamage but I guess this is the only division left between me and others in he scene: constant drug use makes no sense whatsoever to me. If a drug can vault you to a different reality what happens when that reality goes away when the drug wears off? You're back to Earth and the real world. If the real world is that bad that an endless drug experience is the only thing that can keep you going why not simply end it all. What's the point? I think that by saying the above I may even totally lose respect from a lot of people. Maybe its my age, but I simply don't understand the draw and didn't when I was much younger and taking drugs more often. I realized even then that I couldn't do this for much longer and still have a brain left that was worth anything. The question begged is this: What price, paradise? From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 5 18:09:36 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA03542; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 13:08:22 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA17242; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 12:05:14 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 12:05:14 -0600 Message-Id: <199411051804.NAA25155@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rebecca Jill Maslow To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: my $0.02 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO stevenj! i am totally behind you on this. you lose no respect whatsoever on my part! that took major guts to say, because yeah, there are some ppl out there who will probably flame that, but hey, take a chance. and you did. my respect to you. *huG* major *huG* -becca From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 5 18:51:06 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA04170; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 13:50:26 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA20648; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 12:41:22 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 12:41:22 -0600 Message-Id: <9411051841.AA07927@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: raveman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Craig Garret Johnson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: drugs... a window X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO drugs to me are a window to a different existance.. exciting to look through and explore, open the window see whats outside. explore the new surroundings. bring a sense of that other existance back inside, use it in your life... DONT GET LOCKED OUTSIDE. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 5 19:07:59 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA04389; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 14:06:31 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA22588; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 13:03:00 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 13:03:00 -0600 Message-Id: <9411051902.AA25588@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: kiwi@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: kiwi@expert.cc.purdue.edu (-==Kiwi==-) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Drogas X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO In response to the recent drug topic: If people want to do drugs, that's cool. I like my drugs. I'd really hate to see a great schism between those who do drugs and those who don't. I must say, those who don't do drugs are very judgemental of those who do. This is the same kind of shit I have to put up with about God. Those who believe in him look down upon those who don't. It personally makes me sick to listen to people say that people who take drugs are worse than those who don't. We don't need this holier-than-thou attitude in the scene. If a person wants to do drugs, respect their choice. If a person doesn't want to do drugs, respect their choice. Key word: respect +) kiwi - -- Stephen Roberts | Purdue University | Drugs against war. Philosopher | From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 5 19:22:40 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA04579; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 14:21:15 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA24113; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 13:18:38 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 13:18:38 -0600 Message-Id: <199411051917.NAA03257@coke.imsa.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sven@imsa.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: sven@imsa.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: moby article... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey has anyone else read the interview with moby in this week's rolling stone...? (i think it kinda relates to the majority of the recent discussion) also, i picked up a copy of a song called "4 you" by the 4th measure men when i was in gramaphone last time... i love it--i have played it so many times i have almost taken the grooves off of it... is there anymore music out similar o this that i could find? thanks for any and all help... dj sven sven@imsa.edu 'i'm feeling so real...' From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 5 19:30:32 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA04666; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 14:29:08 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA24858; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 13:26:02 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 13:26:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199411051925.AA110053531@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: dps927@nwu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: dps927@nwu.edu (david siska) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: my $0.02 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO there have been a lot of interesting points made in this discussion. remember that just because one person thinks that what another person does is 'sad' doesn't mean that the other person is going to change. it just creates a feeling of resentment. 'well, i'm not hurting anyone around me, so deal with it' could be a typical reaction of a person who uses a lot of drugs being told that his/her habit is uncool. it then can become a question of whether or not it is our responsibility to look after others. laws making certain drugs illegal were made for our protection. however what our law-makers didn't fully take into account is responsible drug use. in almost every case in which a drug was made illegal, worst-case scenarios were brought into the light. it's blatantly obvious that alcohol is just as bad as many controlled substances, yet there's no ban on its repeated and frequent use. in other words it's completely legal to be an alcoholic past the legal drinking age. so is the frequent doser any worse? granted, you can disapprove of both repeated illegal and legal substance use. but again, is it up to the disapprover to condemn? i am not implying that the answer to this question is 'no.' i'm asking you. what am i saying? people have to be ultimately responsible for their own actions. if the point is reached at which a person is out of his/her own control, then it is our discretion as to whether we intervene in that person's life. i.e. if it's a friend (in whatever sense you prefer), we probably should take action. there's always going to be people who party on and off drugs. the reason why people say that they can dance just as long and have as good of a time off drugs as on drugs is that it is true for them. the same reasoning follows for people who claim drugs are the best thing ever. it's not a matter of truth, it's a matter of personal choice. as far as being central to raves, drugs are not crucial to Everybody's good time. on the other hand, remove the drugs, and we'll have to see what happens. y'know, everybody's got a different perspective of what fraction of the rave population does drugs at the parties, and further, what fraction wouldn't come back if there were no drugs. (if you REALLY want to find out about drug use at raves, one way to do this could be to hand out an anonymous survey at many events in many locations (throughout the u.s. or elsewhere) over a long period of time. there's a lot of biases involved, though (would people on drugs be more or less likely to fill out a survey at a rave?, etc.), and with the current dea thing, the responses may not be accurate. oops, this is a bad idea -- depending upon what the results of the survey are, the gov't (if it finds out about the survey) could use the results as grounds to ban raves.) if you've been reading alt.rave for a couple years, you know how many times the question of the role of drugs has popped up, and how many people's principles and mindsets have clashed to no real avail. it will continue to pop up, no doubt, because not only do people who oppose drug use clash with users, but people who condone drug use clash with each other as well. if Re: my $0.02 goes on (and it probably will), it's not going to get any sweeter. hey, i'm a hypocrite (whaddya know) for writing this. bottom line: people who dose, people who don't, and people who sometimes do are all essential to the scene. d8) dave From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 5 19:47:57 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA05002; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 14:47:32 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA26428; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 13:42:46 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 13:42:46 -0600 Message-Id: <199411051941.OAA04874@great-miami.iac.net> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: quest@iac.net Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: quest@iac.net (Johnny Quest) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Cicni Vibe - Or lacvk k there of. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey all! Andrew and I went to Phase 3 to give this cinci scene another shot (Hey we live here more or less, so what else is there to do on friday night) We drove to the site around 11:30 or so and followed that wonderful map on the back of the flyer. 8^) We were there, it seemed like a nice place, they lighting was fair but where was everyone?? Where was that feeling.. Not there that's fer sure.. I hung out for awhile with a few promoters of this party and others andits just so amazing how the Cinci promoters think.. Being critical of one anothers parties, back stabbing, saying how the ultimate rave should be when they have attempted many times at throwing a really good party but something always goes wrong to blame the failer of it on..it goes on and on.. I'm not saying that they are not intelligent or that they are unfriendly (which they are really nice people) it just seems that the people don't pull together to make a party happen correctly.. On the outsidfe sure, but deep within they are not together.. Owell.. I'm just labbering now.. One funny thing is that the Cincinnati people will drive 150 miles to a party outside of Cinci but they wont go to a party in their own back yard. You figure it out.. Laters -- |O|=======================================================================|O| |O| / /\ is quest@iac.net President of : /|_|_ (r) |O| |O| \/ohnny \\uest /-|R|WORX |O| |O| --------------- 513.524.3403 | | |O| |O| -- finger quest@iac.net for info! -- (_)NLIMITED |O| |O|=======================================================================|O| From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 5 19:48:07 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA05005; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 14:47:43 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA26770; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 13:45:23 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 13:45:23 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: my $0.02 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Drugs to me are just a recreation. I tend to think of it as a work out for your mind rather then your body. As with any strenuious exercise, if you go for too long, or push your mind too far you will injure yourself. That is why I don't condone drug usage as a daily much less weekly thing. I am sure all of us who use drugs have perhaps gone through the stage of discovery. This is when you will do anything that comes by because your curiosity is overwehlming. But then you tend to burn out. Drugs just aren't what they use to be to you. So you slowly stop. This is what has happened to me. I have had a lot of drug experiences. Especially acid experiences. They are just not what they were once to me. So I have noticed the little things in life that make reality just as powerful of a drug. Even though I had to take a lot of drugs to realize this. Drugs allow you to discover what reality really is, by taking you to an altered reality. With out this, you would probably have a hard time comprehending this one. Get what I mean.. Later John Sin Massive Bitch ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 5 21:03:23 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA06256; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 16:03:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA07040; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 15:01:30 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 15:01:30 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: RAVE POLITICS X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hello... i just woke up and am flipping through my mail and a few comments caught my eye...keep in mind i just woke up so my thoughts are very random...and all of the past 13 messages are kind of running together, so i am not exactly sure who said what...so the majority of this is directed at the general audience...(hows that for a run-on sentence?) matt...in your letter you implied that drug dealers make mass quantities of drugs. this might be true in many cases, but as of right now, two of my close friends are over $4000 in debt. granted, i really do not have that much sympathy for them- their losses are due to their own lack of responsibility...but, the fact remains, they are drug dealers and they are in no means raking in the dough. you also seemed to imply that all promoters deal drugs. i know a helluva lot of people who work their asses off to throw parties, with their legitamite earnings (myself included) i worked all summer to save up enough money to throw my first party, along with having to take 12 hrs of summer school. i pulled it off- and i think the fact that i did work so hard for that party made me so much more proud the morning after. (SOMEONE-ahem mattew-neglected to show up with the fogger...what the hell happened to you that night anyway?) other random notes... on the subject of taking away the drugs at parties...the concept is all well and good...i myself am not a VERY frequent drug user (okay, forget about last spring, alright?) so i would actually enjoy being able to talk to people in their state of sobriety...i cant tell you how aggravating it is to try and talk to people you haven't senn in weeks, when all they can respond with is 'man...this is incredible e'...or 'wow...these lights are cra-zy!' but...back to my point...there ARE a few parties/memories that just would not have been the same with out drugs... 2008-Love Oddesey-was anyone there sober? i have yet to meet a single person who was not rolling that evening Furthur-umm...no comment... Psychosis 1-crazy night of psychic tv...and acid deeeper- okay...i'll admit, i was sober that evening, but not by choice...from what i saw, though, it seemed to be getting a bit out of hand...at least with my circle of friends... okay...basically anything that was last spring...or in st. louis...had some form of e, be it the heroin wafer/disco bisquit, pure or the meth wafer...it always seemed to be present.... i have about 6 more comments, but i have to run so you may recieve them later...or you might not...depending on my mood and time schedule... by the way...i'm throwing parties in champaign,ill now...next one is in january...ill keep ya'll posted... anyone up for a trip to toronto dec. 3rd? let me know...g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu sorry for the inncesant babbling...i'll try to be more focused in the future... gretchen e blount From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 5 21:23:50 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA06528; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 16:23:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA09387; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 15:21:21 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 15:21:21 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ4I6HS6N6000IMO@BELMONT.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: GILLJ@BELMONT.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: GILLJ@BELMONT.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: mystic eye11.4.94-st.louis*needDirections*!! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO does anyone have definite directions to mystic eye?? i'm coming from nashville and all i have is an infoline no. i'm not at all familiar with st.louis roads and i wanna have somthing definite cos' i'm driving about seven people in my caaahhhhh..... you guys are rad. peace---rainbow(now bluehaired).gill gillj@belmont.edu ********oh yeah, we're leaving in aobut ******* thirty minnits so please hurry. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 5 21:51:04 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA06921; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 16:50:47 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA12296; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 15:48:50 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 15:48:50 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: adamgold@interaccess.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Adam Goldstein To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: moby article... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO that moby article was really interesting-- if i could talk to moby, i would tell him this...1st off, i've been raving for two and a half years and the last six months have been the best for me...best parties, best vibes, etc...and best people too! yeah, i remember when everyone used to blow whistles, too...sometimes the vibe is there, sometimes it's not but as far as everything being 100% wrong...hmm...yes, our society has problems...it has a lot of them...but we are working hard to do what we can...and there is truth and beauty here...something i don't think he would disagree with...but i guess i feel that everything happens for a reason, and people individually and collectively must learn before they become enlightened...it hasn't happened yet, but i believe that it will...so, in a way, everything's allright forever...(another album title) :) i felt like taking moby to xanadu..(even though i wasn't there, and like...it's already happened)...but i felt like taking him to a really good party, maybe disguising him, so that he could really let himself go? i don't know, i'm babbling...anyways...peace! love, ADam "Live For Another Tuesday Night..." From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 5 22:58:47 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA08189; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 17:58:32 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA19264; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 16:56:31 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 16:56:31 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: help! my fish are having identity crisises! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO okay... i am back again...but now with a completely senseless, insignificant message.. i just invested in 2 fish (thats all we are allowed to have in our miniscule, toaster shaped cells, in that bubble known as champaign/urbana-u of illinois) seeing as ravers are the most creative, smartest, and coolest people on the face of the earth (this is all self declared of course..;)...i come to you all with my dilema, in hopes that you will be able to assist me to the best of your abilities... help me name my fish! as of right now my creative juices are at a dead halt...their alius's are fish1 and 2. not very stimulating names...even for fish. i appreciate any input whatsoever...i don't care how crazy... thank you very much, i look forward to all (or any!) replies i apologize for the stupidity of this announcement...but you know, desperate times call for desperate measures. ****************************************************************************** gretchen e blount :> |The light of friendship is like that of g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu |phoshorus- seen plainest when all around is dark ****************************************************************************** From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 5 23:54:56 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA09599; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 18:54:30 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA24120; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 17:53:07 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 17:53:07 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: plastik@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Plus 8 Records To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: my $0.02 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO As david has stated- the people who do drugs and the people who don't do drugs, and the people in between are all part of the scene, no matter what happens. The problem starts when people of one 'side' inflict there behavior on others. It's a free country and people's individual's choice is what remains behind this discussion. I personally don't care how much of a drug a person takes, just as long as they can handle whatever it is, they don't bother other people and their not out to kill themselves- or others. The problem comes by people not knowing their limitations. Actually i'm quite surprised and impressed that there has been no national incident that has burst this whole scene apart because of a drug-related death/near-death. The 'china' incident was right on the edge however. I think people have been pretty smart with there drug intake. Sure there are bad-trips and freak outs every weekend but considering the total number of people who go to a rave every weekend and do drugs, it is surprisingly 'controlled' out there! Maybe it has to do with the amount of friendship and support that most people have for each other out there in this wonderful scene of ours !?... comments... Matthew P.S. promotors should take notice and always have some sort of water outlet at any of their parties, be it free or for $, water keeps people alive. This comes after Dee-Day after i walked in with 6 bottles of evian at 3:30 and people looking at it like it was a million dollars in cash. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 6 00:23:05 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA10175; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 19:22:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA26763; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 18:20:54 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 18:20:54 -0600 Message-Id: <199411060020.SAA26704@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: believe@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: xlarge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: help fish X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i think that you should name on of them abraham. i had a fish named abe but he died. :( also, gary collmens fish on diff'reant strokes had a fis named abe. the otha fish, hmmmm.. let me see here.... how about be-al-zibubba. xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl ..it's the new style!! xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 6 00:57:29 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA10932; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 19:57:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA29254; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 18:55:21 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 18:55:21 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: my $0.02 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Sat, 5 Nov 1994, david siska wrote: > what am i saying? people have to be ultimately responsible for their own > actions... > > it's a matter of personal choice... > > ...(what) fraction wouldn't come back if there were no drugs... > > ...people who dose, people who don't, and people who sometimes do are > all essential to the scene. > > d8) dave > i agree with you dave, BUT (heh--always a but)the problem is that too often drugs are used for the wrong reason. i don't do shit (except sugar!!) so you know where i come from...and i don't LIKE it when people do drugs...but i'm not here to judge. as a drug "outsider" i see too many people depending on exterior substances to prop themselves up and keep themselves from having to deal with who they really are. of course i am assuming that knowing yourself is a good thing--and, of course, some people know themselves better AFTER having done them. what bugs me is going to a party and feeling like i'm the only one who thinks about it at all. perhaps i am too old (24) to relate to these "kids" but that's probably bull... my point is that i HOPE that the music's most important...but there are times when i don't feel like it is, and that this is when i worry about the future... "another voice in the fold" ++ e d ps-if we added up all our $0.02 we'd have like a dollar so far... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 6 01:17:57 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA11356; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 20:17:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA00882; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 19:16:16 -0600 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 19:16:16 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: help fish X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i big thank you to all that are participating in my fish naming dilema...i appreciate everyones concern for my fish and their well being...i have had many requests from the participants that i forward all of my incoming suggestions to them...so i have created the PHUN PHISH PHILE!!! this file contains all of the suggestions i have recieved thus far (its only been 2 hrs, but there has been much intrest in my small, scaly friends) if anyone else is intrested in recieving the phun phish phile, please drop me an e (pun intended) to let me know. all of the responses have been, creative, witty, and a few were downright halarious. keep the suggestions rolling in, but i would like to have all suggestions by Wed. my fish may not live much longer- the place they are residing in as we speak is yesterday's mott's applesauce jar (cleaned of course...give me some credit!) that is not a sublime environment for young aquatic animals, but it must do for now...i'm saving my money for a bus ticket to chicago for Home. thank you once again to all those who participated...and keep those entries coming! gretchen e blount ;> From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 6 08:26:29 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA18082; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 03:26:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA23649; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 02:24:56 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 02:24:56 -0600 Message-Id: <199411060824.DAA14855@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rebecca Jill Maslow To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Cicni Vibe - Or lacvk k there of. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ok, quest said something about the cincy vibe (heh) and the promotors and all that fun stuff. well, hee's my perspective, as a cincy raver: it sucks. that's basically it. when i started my "raving career" (it's 3 in the morning folks, gimme a break :) ) i was in cincinnati, and i went to those raves that they threw,a nd i thought it was all tyhe most wonderful thing in the world. but when i started travelling, and saw other scenes, i realized that cincy wasn't the mecca i thought it was. the people just aren't very nice. well, i mean, they are nice, to each other. but try walking up to a perfect stranger at a party in cincy, and watch out. it doesn't happen. the ppl look at you like you are spam. and spam isn't regarded highly. i admit, i was once one of those ppl. but now i go up to newbies and everyone else, hand out a name tag, a sticker, and a smile, and see that everyone is cool! but man, cincy...i dunno. something big is gonna have to happen to make ppl receptive to a scene there. mike was right. we will travel all over creation for a party, just not in our own town. -becca From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 6 08:40:42 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA18185; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 03:40:34 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA24006; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 02:39:25 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 02:39:25 -0600 Message-Id: <199411060838.DAA18547@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rebecca Jill Maslow To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: AtTrAcTiOn 1/14/95 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO elf's weekend AtTrAcTiOn after all the name searching, thois is it. if you hate the name. tough. :) anyway, just to recap. Friday, January 13. Saturday, January 14. Sunday, January 15 Athens, Ohio. at Ohio University a net.raver gathering extrordinaire. open tables, lots of schmoozing, and people!!!!!! and it's all FREE. i've had some people say they wanna spin, no problem. eveyone is invited, if you got something to share, the stage is yours. this event will happen Like This: Friday night--> ppl arrive, chill. we schmooze. Saturday afternoon--> music starts, continues all day Saturday night--> music will be turned down later that night, noise factors. schmoozing continues. Sunday--> sleep, go home, help becca clean up. :) sound good to everyone? good! :) this will be hyped up more later. i'll be in spain the whole month of december, that's why this is going out so early. *huGs* to all -becca Becca Maslow rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu little elf :) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 6 10:33:40 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id FAA19067; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 05:33:34 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA25881; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 04:32:16 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 04:32:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199411061031.EAA25859@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: beatpunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: My final $0.02 (promise) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Sorry to keep wasting bandwidth, I know people must be getting tired of this discussion, but I thought of something I'd forgotten before. With drugs, like so many other things, the single most important thing to me is to have a sense of BALANCE. This word is in all caps for a reason. If you want, you can lead this onderful, great, really fun life with few regrets. But if you slip, you fall, that's just the way it is. And once you've fallen, it's a lot harder to get back up again then it was in the first place. You just need to know your limits. Know when you've had enough, when certain substances start to take a *permanent* toll (I know nobody likes to think about it but it DOES happen), and when you just don't feel like it. If you keep a clear head, keep your priorities straight, and don't blow it, then drugs can be a "part of this complete brekfast" of life. Balance, friends. ---------------------------beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu------------------------------ "And the further I get from the things that I care about The less I care about how much further away I get" -Robert Smith From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 6 10:38:55 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id FAA19103; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 05:38:42 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA26077; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 04:37:34 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 04:37:34 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Cicni Vibe - Or lacvk k there of. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO well not that where i am is much better (columbus) but cinci is WACK. the promoters and dj's smack of moneygrubbing and club (not that club is THAT bad...it's just a different thing). i think the only dj i give a shit about is subgenius the crowd's cool, tho, and the city is nice despite disturbing ultra-conservative trends (ie the mapplethorpe photo exhibit which was basically banned for those of you that don't remember) i did go to one great party there called OPTIC FUSION in spring of `93...the dj's were wack but the vibe and space (outdoors) were fukin phat anyone else go to that?? btw anywhere's better than cleveland... ++ e d From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 6 14:43:13 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id JAA21439; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 09:43:02 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA29874; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 08:34:23 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 08:34:23 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: love to you all! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hello everyone!I am Ben, the newest kid on the ilab block. i've never made an entry to mwr, so, be gentle.A warning- I'm almost Helen Keller when it comes computers so my entries may look physically tweaked!( did i spell physically right?) As I said, this is my first entry.I have been reading everything posted for at least the last month, however.Why make an entry now? The reason is simple. I wish to empart a positive feeling to each and every one of you.It is a part of me that I can give to benefit our "FAMILY".I must tell you guys that in the time I've just been observing your posts I've seen alot of bickering and separation(particularly over drug use, which promoters are on whose shit list, etc.)I don't tend to get too wrapped up in all that "political" stuff.I have "higher" hopes for US ALL as a culture.You are all friends and family to me (even those I've not yet met) so I'm prepared to make a couple of promises. First,I won't send your names to that "friends and family" plan at MCI!! Second, I will try to make my posts as uplifting and expressive of love as possible, for all of you! I hope that isn't entirely too corny to say that.Some of you that have been around for awhile may remember a time when that "vibration of love" was what it was all about.This is not to say that I don't see that anymore from anyone. There is alot of positivity to be witnessed both on the net and at the parties. It's just that there was (and hopefully still is) alot of respect for ppls choices.It is in that spirit that I say "it's your thing,babe,do what you wanna do".It is in the spirit of family, however, that I say please be careful with yourself, and, as so many of you have already said, respect your limits.I don't think it is enough to simply know your limits. They aren't worth a darn if you don't respectfully submit to them.Am I alone on this one? Remember that YOU are esential to the culture.WE ALL add something to our little family gatherings EACH AND EVERY WEEKEND.I guess it's just up to us whether we chose to leave our fellow ravers with positivity or negitivity; with separation or unity by the end of our weekly adventures. Back to the issue of taking care of yourself in the decisions you make-remember I.O.? I don't even know China.We(me and my best friend Jonah) were just a few cars away through-out the whole thing.We saw her strapped to the girney and resussitated(s.p.?).Though we knew she'd make it we still broke down and cried for awhile.You see,in 4+ years of going to these events, I've never come that close to losing a "family" member, a "sister".Some ppl thought we were nuts, but what's nuts about grief over a family members near death? Now this is not to excuse or condone heroin usage.This was an attempt to show how we are all important to the whole( at least in my reality) despite our diferences in opinions.Our diversity and individuality are our strengths, but if we cannot add temperance to our opinions(through love and respsect)then they will seperate us and (possibly) destroy the beauty of what we share. I hope I do not come across as holier than thou, that is not my intent.I do stand behind the things I write, however, and would love to hear how everyone else feels. I am tired.I must go now.Please remember: I LOVE EVERY FUCKING ONE OF YOU!!!! Ben *P.S.* "Just ending it all" is NEVER the answer!It pains me to see that said. If anyone would like to have someone to listen, I'm here. *P.S* hugs to kyle,tigger,lucas,matt,ellen,and every one else I'm fortunate to already know.I hope to meet more of you soon. dan, ben, jonah & shit head who sucks on big poppy head InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 6 17:37:45 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA24076; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 12:37:20 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA07836; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 11:32:17 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 11:32:17 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mudd@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dweezle Christ To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: POWER: the day after X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO just got back from POWER. Party was phat. Kudo's to matt for keeping things chilled :) DBX ruled the night... Building was great and I hope to see it again soon, but with a little more power(PA's were great, but kind of quiet) hope 2 see everyone at hardfloor. -peace __________________________________________________________________________ _ mudd@um.cc.umich.edu < > \___/ ^+ +^ ' \_/ ' "God will bless you if you belive" ] / \ [ -Eddie 'Flashin' Fowlkes \|/ (|) + + __________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 6 18:14:41 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA24837; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 13:14:26 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA11950; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 12:09:55 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 12:09:55 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mkessler@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: michael john kessler To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: love to you all! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I really must agree with our new found friend on line (I know what you're saying-who the hell is mkessler@indiana.edu). I'm new to writing all of you as well, but I've heard enough shit and sunshine on this list that I can't bottle it up anymore. The drug problem has been harped on endlessly since the beginning of raves and by now every possible point is quite moot. Perhaps the only thing that still needs to be said is live and help live. We all love raves (if we didn't we wouldn't stick around for roughly 30+ messages a day) because it's where we belong at that time. For a few moments in our lives we need a blaring syncopation and a wild light show to remind us that the senses block our unselfish urge to escape reality and create a place where we can all just be happy. If drugs help you to that state so be it and all the power to you. If you prefer these shindigs to be clean and sober so be it and all the power to you. 'Nuff said on that. Now comes the time when I, your humble unknown raver, must plead you all to be at the first step to UTOPIA coming up here in lovely Bloomington, Indiana. I am dying to meet you all. bye bye. Michael J. kessler ******************************************************************************* "All things aside, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the show?" ******************************************************************************* From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 6 18:34:44 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA25158; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 13:34:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA14747; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 12:31:25 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 12:31:25 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ5QNV870Y8Y5CNA@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CAMMARAT@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: add to Calander X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO on Saturday, November 12 (that is the night after Utopia and the thing in Cedar Rapids) F O R C E P R O D U C T I O N S and (*That Bloody Irishman*) would like to bring you something we can all B E G R A T E F U L for This is the second in the series of Grinnell FREE (totally and completely) events that have been attempting to shock the shit out of middle america, and the trend is catching on....this time we have the dj's, the lights, the sound, but all we really need is you...you make it happen EVERY TIME. Dj's (subject to change, but they SAID they'd be here) the Xanadu guy....SHO spreading his trance tentacles...Dj SPORE tag team insanity from Chicago and Dublin...Tigger and Luvdup everyone's favorite tag teamers from Wiley Cafe...Misfit and Ramylson making us shake our ass to some HARD trance...Pixel that happy good morning chill...Mr JP we can and will proudly add more to the list of Dj's as the week goes on...there is always room for you. Niall and I are offering up crash space, a really fun party, and FREE CABLE (only in the lounge's though..:) if intrested in coming (from ANYWHERE...there are people coming from Milwaukee, St. Louis, W. Lafyette...) LET US or MW-RAVES know!! I can gaurantee a good time, but only as long as _YOU_ are there! and as for everyone of you net-raver types going to Utopia, how's about setting up a CRAZY caravan!!! (just an idea, I'd love to see you all again...) peace, see you saturday. Tigger From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 00:16:03 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA01409; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 19:15:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA14475; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 18:12:15 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 18:12:15 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MiCKeY HoNMyHR To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Iowa wknd... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO YAY!! WOO WOOO only one more week till the iowa adventure... me and two friends (matt and eric) will be heading down to minneapolis on fri and picking up jon and dave and heading down to iowa city? from there. how far is it from mpls? we will all need krash space fri and sat night. love ya'll oodles and oodles mouse ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- M I C K E Y H O N M Y H R knowing something yet never being able to have it now. will tear your soul apart-play tricks on your mind-and decieve your heart." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 02:00:53 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA03182; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 20:59:53 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA23722; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 19:58:23 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 19:58:23 -0600 Message-Id: <199411070158.TAA08696@saucer.cc.umr.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: pgray@umr.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Paul Gray To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Mystic Eye...etc.....etc X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey! Got back from my lovely weekend in st.louis....back at school now! Mystic Eye was great I loved the music.....i noticed more music that is not normal for St.louis's mainly housey scene. It was great meeting everyone on friday at Pixel's! Thanks to all! BTW, if anyone from a visual's company could mail me i be very appreciative. I am interested in finding out how different companies do things. Factory visuals looks to use Video Toasters....is this the norm? (i would guess so...) -pj ORANGES are round! -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ P.J. Gray pgray@umr.edu Xlarge Info Anarchist "I always tell the truth, even when i lie!" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 03:16:13 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA04411; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 22:15:40 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA01054; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 21:12:02 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 21:12:02 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jjhelton@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: doc To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: THE FIRST STEP TO UTOPIA*directions and stuff* X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO 1>O.K. kids this party is on! we're gonna rock the @#$%! out of this place. I've heard alot of people gripe about the lack of vibe in the scene... well gripe no more. We're gonna have it here, and we just hope you can come and enjoy thickness. 2>PRE-PARTY=look for posts from TRIPTONITE or SPACEBOY 3>AFTERHOURS=spot has been provided/look for post with info in the next couple of days 4>DIRECTIONS- FROM CHICAGO/LAFAYETTE- take I-65 south to 465 west then exit U.S. 37 south take the COLLEGE AVE exit follow this road 'til it merges with WALNUT ST continue south on WALNUT you will see a KOCOLENE GAS STATION on your right start lookin' for a BIG RED LIQUOR store on the right. go behind the store and turn left aat the bottom of the hill. parking will be provided behind the space. DETROIT/FORT WAYNE- take I-69 to 465 south MUNCIE/INDY exit U.S 37 south and follow the rest of the CHICAGO/LAFAYETTE directions ST LOUIS- take I-70 north/east to 465 south/east exit U.S. 37 south follow the rest of the CHICAGO/LAFAYETTE directions LEXINGTON/LOUISVILLE- take I-65 north to 465 south/west exit U.S. 37 south follow the rest of the CHICAGO/LAFAYETTE directions or I-65 north exit U.S. 46 west to bloomington follow this 'til it becomes 3RD ST continue to COLLEGE AVE follow the rest of the CHICAGO/LAFAYETTE directions OHIO- take I-74 to 465 south/west exit U.S. 37 south follow the rest of the CHICAGO/LAFAYETTE directions IF YOU NEED MORE INFO THEN CALL THE UTOPIA LINE AT>812.330.3976 KEEP GROOVIN' doc *DJ Doctor J* *know your limits From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 04:13:46 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA05318; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 23:13:37 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA07501; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 22:10:31 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 22:10:31 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jjhelton@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: doc To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: THE SCENE(from my point of view) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well kids... ...from my experience in the scene i've formed some opinions about the scene that i thought i'd share with you. 1>PEOPLE-there are so many great people in the scene that have been swallowed by it. that is unfortunate for them and their friends. 2>DRUGS- they're a part of most every scene. the problem arises when a person solely depends on a drug/drugs to have a good time. in my opinion... some drugs have no place in our scene(ex.IO) certain substances, if used properly and with proper precautions can be a very fulfilling experience. but please KNOW YOUR LIMITS don't go to a party and try to kill yourself. that's not what the scene needs, wants, or is about. 3>VIBE- it's not something that can just be created. the music,dj's, drugs,etc. can help provide the atmosphere for vibe. but vibe,and the thickness of it, is determined by the people. if you are not experiencing any vibe, then ask yourself what can be done to improve the scene that you are a part of. 4>RAVE POLITICS- they are killin' our scene! do what ever you can to seperate yourself from any kind of negitive anything. please don't spread rumors in the scene to hurt someone's rep or even boost your own. if you hear something or have information to pass along for the good of the scene... PLEASE check out your info and its source before sayin/postin' something(for the sake of keepin' our scene strong) if you've made it to this part of the post... ...i believe you care about the scene too. please do everything in your power to keep negitive promoters, djs, talk, people, and anything else that will hurt our scene, out of it. *this has been a free rave announcement. the views expressed by this rave kid do not necessarily reflect the views of the rave community or this net, but are intended to keep the scene from dyin'. KEEP GROOVIN' -doc From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 04:20:07 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA05405; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 23:19:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA08105; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 22:16:54 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 22:16:54 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: steve@chaos.mcs.mu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve Kaczkowski To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Drugs X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I must say also that drugs are another way to see things. No a BETTER way, Just a different way. Its like taking a vacation. WHY do you take a vacation. To escape, to get a different outlook on things. But you HAVE to come back sometime. Its not a TRUE reality, and not some place you can dwell all the time.Its just a nice place to visit every once in a while. In order to really enjoy drugs I think you must have a grip on your real life, Because if you can't handle your true life how can you understand your altered reality? Im in NO way a heavy drug user, I've been going to events for 3 1/2 years now. And up until about 2 months ago I NEVER used any sort of drugs. Hell I NEVER have gotten drunk (And never will. Booze is RUINING this country). The reason why I tried drugs was because I wanted to see things in a diferent light. And the ONLY drug I've tried is mushrooms, and they will be the ONLY one I use.. Acid is an EVIL chemical And gets stored in your body, for an untold amount of time. Pot just makes you slow and unreasponsive to any sort of outside interaction. Only thing I'm saying is choose your drugs.. Respect others, and enjoy life... take care!!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Life is short, Death is for sure. Steve Kaczkowski Sin is the cause, Christ is the cure.." Pfffffft... steve@chaos.mcs.mu.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 04:57:07 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA06083; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 23:56:55 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA11458; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 22:52:22 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 22:52:22 -0600 Message-Id: <199411070451.WAA11426@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: THELME00@UKCC.UKY.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: tim To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: MW-RAVES digest 200 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO humans cannot recognize anything unless it has a title. so sue me. i watch cartoons. imagine my surprise when i saw that first truth on an after-school 'toon like "Gargoyles". depth in contemplation unlike most of those old GIJoe things. "never leave your stove burners lit..." replaced with "humans cannot recognize anything unless it has a title." well, yeah. it helps us communicate. but hold up. i have seen quite a few who take it further than this. it helps us categorize, too. okay, that's all right. no problem. makes it easy to know if you want to go to an event when you hear that Dieselboy is a breakbeat dj and that rob gee is a gabber type. and so on. but then, categorization is actually rather dreadful in scope. it's a little too tempting for most people to handle as described. because once they have you, you're done for. and then dieselboy will ALWAYS be a breakbeat dj for them. and they don't even realize they are in the habit. categorization is fine, as long as it isn't irreversible. and it's okay until it makes teams. i like breaks. doesn't mean i cannot like ambient. or hardcore. or house. or trance. or hip hop. or classical. or...wait a second. it needs to be looked at as music - until you have to describe a particular sound, it needs to be looked at as music. i thought it was bad when people were assaulting the list with petulant frenzies over breakbeat vs. house. it's no different on individual single-genre lists, either, though. breaks list shows that - happy vs. darkside vs. jungle vs. oldskool. vs. is added in too often when a line is drawn. drawing a line around oneself automatically draws it BETWEEN oneself and another. so don't call me a "drug" person. or a "rave" person. or an "alternative" person. i am a person. if you need to describe me to someone, tell him/her to talk to me or whatever. instead of saying how we need to quit blaming the "drug" or "non-drug" people for dividing the scene - jesus, just quit calling people names and you'll be a hell of a lot better off. oh yeah - and you won't be surprised so easily. later. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 05:42:24 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA06858; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 00:42:11 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA15618; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 23:38:23 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 23:38:23 -0600 Message-Id: <9411070537.AA80632@student2.cl.msu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: gorellka@student.msu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Katherine Gwynn Gorell" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: hello. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hi, I'm new on this list, and just thought that I'd say hello, and ask if anyone from mi. or on. near mi. is going to toronto this comingweekend, or has any info. on it, ok" thanks...I think that I'll go to bed soon, and in the morning there'll be my new plastikman disc at the recordstore! :) yeah! anyone write me.... I want to trade tapes too if anyone's interested... east lansing is the real underground. :) ;P later... kaytee From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 05:48:06 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA06970; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 00:47:59 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA15931; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 23:41:12 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 1994 23:41:12 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: barnetjr@ucunix.san.uc.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jenifer A Barnett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO With all of the discussion concerning drug use on this list I thought that some information both for users and non-users alike should be provided. First off, I (tim from ImSmartRU) am working on graduate degrees in biochemistry and genetics (just to let you know that I do know what I am talking about.) There are MANY misconceptions about drugs and there effects. For example some one posted about acid staying in your body for years and years. That simply is not so. LSD is a water soluable compound and is cleansed from the body rapidily (in fact for the most part the drug is out of the system before the effects wear off. Another misconception is the E and neuroreceptor damage. There is no conclusive evidence either for or against damage, Although it thought that some temporary changes occur. Everyone, whether or not they use drugs, should read the info at the Alt.Drugs ftp site. That site compiles all information regarding drugs and druguse. the information is reliable, the site is operated by a professor of chemistry. Next, there are certain preparations that should be followed for safe raving especially if one choses to use drug or is vegetarian (especially vegan) The tired burnt-out feel experenced post-rave is most often neurotransmitter depletion. This can be remedied rather easily. The following substances enhance neurotransmitter production. B-5, C, phenylalanine, DMEA, pyrogutamic acid, choline and many others but these are the most readily available. You can get these substances at any GNC or health food store if you are ready to pay through the nose or you can order them. Also, visit your friendly neighborhood smart bar. Most of the bars in the mid-west use reliable products that work. The drinks work. Even if you don't feel the effects immediately you will the next day. Although if you use ImSmartRU drinks, which I make myself and are specifically formulated for the needs of the raver, you will definately feel the effects(shameless plug for the home team :-) ) Hopefully, everyone will visit the ftp site. You should know exactly what you are doing to your body. There are many ways to optimize and enhance your body's performance. With knowledge you can chose the best way to control your own biochemistry. peace Tim ImSmartRU/Evolution posting from jen's account ps. please ignore editting problems the shell I use doesn't let you edit worth a damn. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 06:32:31 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA07539; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 01:32:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA20165; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 00:30:09 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 00:30:09 -0600 Message-Id: <199411070626.AAA27171@earth.execpc.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: danimal@earth.execpc.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Daniel Wenders To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: VERY IMPORTANT INFORMATION X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO About acid and having it stay in your body a long long time. Yes it may be cleaned out from your bloodstream but I thought it stayed in your spinal tap for a long long long time. So if a person wants to know if you did acid he/she can check your and it will or will not be there. At least that is what I thought. Isn't that the same way with pot? Pot stays with you for a while long after you finished that joint. Can't someone take a lock of your hair and determine if you smoked pot or not? Again thats what I thought at least.. If this sis true then the the fact that drugs don't stay in your body is totally false. DTW From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 06:36:16 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA07567; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 01:36:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA20380; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 00:33:26 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 00:33:26 -0600 Message-Id: <199411070629.AAA27295@earth.execpc.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: danimal@earth.execpc.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Daniel Wenders To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Drugs X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >>Alcohol is ruining this country Oh and drugs aren't?? I like drinking but yet just like you I drink in moderation. I don't get drunk either.. DTW From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 07:15:31 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA07908; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 02:15:23 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA22194; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 01:11:08 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 01:11:08 -0600 Message-Id: <199411070710.BAA22164@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: beatpunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: information X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO The drug thread is old. If you're not sure, and even if you think you are, you still ought to take the simple step of ftp-ing, gophering or WWWing to hyperreal.com and reading the information there about drugs. I guarantee you'll learn something new, then we can all speak with a little more self-assuredness. ---------------------------beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu------------------------------ "And the further I get from the things that I care about The less I care about how much further away I get" -Robert Smith From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 17:19:24 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA16257; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:19:04 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA09924; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 11:13:34 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 11:13:34 -0600 Message-Id: <199411071708.RAA01805@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: my $0.02 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Steven White: >In a technologically-induced stupor, Craig L. Stodolenak flatly stated... >:: >::This is who I've become. This is who I am. I'm learning my limits, >::learning when I've had enough, and when I want to experience more. I feel >::that I'm having some of the most rewarding and enriching experiences of my >::entire life -- with new friends and people that I think are some of the >::neatest people I've ever been fortunate enough to be around. I really do I >::think I'll look back on this time of my life and wish to relive it again; >::and not change a thing. I'm truly, truly happy. > >This is the element of raves that makes me sad. If you can't ever have 'a >good time' (knowing full well that that statement is value-laden) without >acid then I think maybe your life is a bit out of alignment. Nowhere have I made that statement or even alluded to it. I have a "good time" with my life almost every single day. I take as much acid as I can because I _love_ the effects of the drug and how it interfaces with the times in my life when I'm not tripping. I feel that my drugs enhance the quality of my life. It's so short anyway; why not give myself the opportunity to experience as much as I can? >Friends I have >had in the past who have chosen a similar path have burned out because, even >though you seem to have a handle on your limits, those limits will always be >pushed further and further. Eventually the mindset of 'no limits' will set >in. People burn out from drug use over a protracted period of time. Your >body simply can't deal with acid every single weekend and come out unmangled. I will agree that I don't care to do E every weekend; the effects are much more desirable when I space my usage out. But for A, at least at this point in my life, I disagree. Maybe if I see things change in my life that I don't like, I'll change my mind. But that hasn't happened yet. >I know this statement opens me up for major flamage but I guess this is the >only division left between me and others in he scene: constant drug use >makes no sense whatsoever to me. If a drug can vault you to a different >reality what happens when that reality goes away when the drug wears off? Then I'm back in "normal" reality. The perceptions and experiences I've had while psychotropically altered are still part of me. They alter how I look at everyday things and events, change how I handle my day-to-day affairs, and generally modify my personal path of evolution. I think this happens with everyone, using drugs or not. We all have various experiences in our life that alter our personalities, habits or outlook in subtle ways. People that do drugs do the same thing, but have much more powerful experiences to draw from. Whether the resulting changes are beneficial or harmful is a question of personal values. >If the real world is that bad that >an endless drug experience is the only thing that can keep you going why not >simply end it all. What's the point? I don't believe in destiny or a recognizable higher power. There's very little "point" to life for me except for what I define for myself. My life is hardly an "endless drug experience"; my total time under the influence of a drug is only 8-12 out of 168 each week. My friends, family, and the desire to fufill whatever goals I have set for myself keep me going... not the micrograms of chemical I ingest. >I think that by saying the above I may even totally lose respect from a lot of >people. Maybe its my age, but I simply don't understand the draw and didn't >when I was much younger and taking drugs more often. I realized even then >that I couldn't do this for much longer and still have a brain left that was >worth anything. I don't feel I'll be doing this forever, either. But while I can I'm going to enjoy it. >The question begged is this: What price, paradise? "I'd rather rule in hell than serve in heaven." -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 18:06:06 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA17638; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:05:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA20670; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 11:59:34 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 11:59:34 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ75VPZ64I90PD1V@desire.wright.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: DCUSICK@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: DCUSICK@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: how to get soul slinger tapes X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey. i recently asked for help in getting a hold of some tapes by soul slinger. i got a few responses (thanks) however, none of them seem to work. So, if anyone else knows a phone number, e-mail address, etc. which might be good for me to try please let me know!!! Thanks dona. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 18:19:57 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA17957; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:19:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA24796; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:16:40 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:16:40 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jwelch@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MrJP To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Family Affair X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO OK it looks as if there are going to be about 14 net ravers in IOWa ON the 11th super rad........Let me know if you don't have your stuff by thurs.......talk to you later... MrJP From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 18:22:18 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA18000; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:22:00 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA25067; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:17:47 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:17:47 -0600 Message-Id: <199411071815.AA16643@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: gmk40719@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Gregory M. Kus" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Nature 2?? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO heya everyone: Did anyone go to Nature 2/Nutrageous in chicago?? how was it? just wondering: also.. better question: I have seen this light around.. it is some type of oil projection light which is multi colored changing.. there is a disc of oil that spins and the light goes through it producing a very very cool display on the walls et all.. there was one at Domino in chicago the afterhours for Love Nation 94 and I think Waterworks may have had one of these lights.. I think it is called Meteor Dunno if it is a brand name or model name,. BUT>. I would like some information on where i might be able to get this light, how much it costs, and the brand name, etc.. any info appreciated -Greg -- -Kus ~Living in the Circle of Illumination Between Night and Day~ _____________________________________________________________________________ Gregory M. Kus University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign gmk40719@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu CCSO Short Course Instructor NeXT Mail: gmk40719@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu gmk40719@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 18:53:53 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA18727; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:53:29 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA02200; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:48:05 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:48:05 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ75II478I8Y5SC7@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CAMMARAT@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: look. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO mr. Avery, with the dj traxx stuff...I really like the listing of new tracks and stuff, but I CANNOT handle the wav. transmissions here at school...today already you have swallowed over a half an hour of my time by making me delete both files (my system doesn't have the capacity to delete without reading) so I could just send mail....I may be a minority, but how about setting up another mail file that only send wav. transmissions to those who WANT and can HANDLE that type of mail, and not through mw-raves... thanks. Tigger (these feelings are those of Tigger and Tigger alone and do not neccisarily reflect others on the list) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 19:27:43 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA00373; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:27:31 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA09908; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:20:23 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:20:23 -0600 Message-Id: <9411071419282634312@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Mistic Eye X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO To tired to do a review now....later From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 19:29:56 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA00426; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:29:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA08193; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:13:31 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:13:31 -0600 Message-Id: <9411071936.AA01776@blackhawks.d2.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: fixer@d2.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: fixer@d2.com (Robert Smith) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Nature 2?? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Reprinted without permission from: Gregory M. Kus [ also.. better question: [ I have seen this light around.. it is some type of oil projection light [ which is multi colored changing.. there is a disc of oil that spins [ and the light goes through it producing a very very cool display [ on the walls et all.. there was one at Domino in chicago the [ afterhours for Love Nation 94 and I think Waterworks may have [ had one of these lights.. I think it is called Meteor [ Dunno if it is a brand name or model name,. [ BUT>. I would like some information on where i might be able to get [ this light, how much it costs, and the brand name, etc.. [ any info appreciated Perhaps a ProBeam is what you're looking for. They have replaceable wheels with different patterns, and the ever-popular oil wheel... -- _____________________________________________________________________________ fixer@d2.com is Robert Smith Digital Domain phone: 310/314-2920 300 Rose Avenue fax: 310/314-2866 Venice, CA 90291 _____________________________________________________________________________ "I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of gum" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 19:31:29 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA00467; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:31:22 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA08033; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:13:04 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:13:04 -0600 Message-Id: <9411071935.AA01686@blackhawks.d2.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: fixer@d2.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: fixer@d2.com (Robert Smith) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: how to get soul slinger tapes X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Reprinted without permission from: DCUSICK@DESIRE.WRIGHT.EDU [ [hey. i recently asked for help in getting a hold of some tapes by soul [slinger. i got a few responses (thanks) however, none of them seem to [work. So, if anyone else knows a phone number, e-mail address, etc. which [might be good for me to try please let me know!!! Thanks dona. [ Liquid Sky Designs in New York is a store he's affiliated with (owner?) -- _____________________________________________________________________________ fixer@d2.com is Robert Smith Digital Domain phone: 310/314-2920 300 Rose Avenue fax: 310/314-2866 Venice, CA 90291 _____________________________________________________________________________ "I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of gum" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 20:45:43 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA02223; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:44:55 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA27693; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:38:01 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:38:01 -0600 Message-Id: <199411072033.OAA01630@earth.execpc.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: danimal@earth.execpc.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Daniel Wenders To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Drugs X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Bah! Another excuse to justify drugs as being good. Please tell me where di you get your information from? What sources? is it actual facts and figures or just your own speculation? Tell me how many gangs are out there having gang warfares because of alcohol? Not very many how many gangs are out there haivng warfares because of drugs?? I'd say ALOT! Does anybody remember New Jack City? I don't belive its just drugs and alcohol that is ruin g this country is drugs, alcohol and EVERYTHING else (I.E. Clinton Administration) that is runing this country. don't tellme drugs don't break up a family. one of my good friends that used to hang around with was into pot and acid and the like. One day he got into a big argument with his parents about his drug use .. they kicked him out (he was over 18) and now is is living with one of his druggie friends and is now doing more dugs then ever.. (needless ot say I don't seem him that much anymore) My other best friend likes to go out drinking he still ives with ihs parents is on good terms with them, helps them out when needed.. tell me which one is better? DTW From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 21:07:22 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA04795; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:07:04 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA02690; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:59:42 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 14:59:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199411072059.PAA20895@andy.engin.umich.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ndc@engin.umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: SPeCiMeN To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Drugs X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Daniel Wenders writes: >figures or just your own speculation? Tell me how many gangs are out >there having gang warfares because of alcohol? Not very many how many >gangs are out there haivng warfares because of drugs?? I'd say ALOT! gang warfare is the product of prohibition, and desire for profits. you'll remember that when alcohol was illegal, "gangsters" and "bootleggers" made immense (and often bloody) profits off of the illegal sales. that stuff happens no longer since corporate america now soaks up the money, instead of criminals (wether that is any better is left up to the reader :) ) the point is that drugs don't essentially cause crime, but the environment around them, especially in inner city areas with a lot of poverty. the black market provides easy money, even if dangerous; and that black market is there because the products aren't available legally. >tellme drugs don't break up a family. one of my good friends that used >to hang around with was into pot and acid and the like. One day he got >into a big argument with his parents about his drug use .. they kicked >him out (he was over 18) and now is is living with one of his druggie that's just strict parenting, and has nothing to do with the drugs either. his parents could just have easily kicked him out for drinking or constantly breaking curfew or any other arbitrary rule.. i would agree that drugs can be a factor in breaking apart relationships and stuff but they are only a single factor among many. in this case the drugs didn't break them apart, but the combination of one person's use and another's disapproval of that use.. andy From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 21:07:41 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA04811; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:07:31 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA03376; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:02:17 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 15:02:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199411072101.PAA10789@puya.gac.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: swaterbu@gac.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: swaterbu@gac.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ...SNAP... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO **tap tap** hi there ;} i went to SNAP in minneapolis this weekend it very nearly prompted me to write my first bad review... but being the eternal optimist that i am 8} i ended up having a good time and will proceed to post the following review... SNAP started out as another "mpls...messed up site...wait at cynisthasia(sp?)... find a new site...get things goin in a smaller space" type deal (see SWAK) but at least this time it only cost $5 ;} we got to the new loc between 1 and 1:30 the speakers arrived at 2:30 once the music started the small room heated up rather quickly as the tightly packed crowd started to dance i think it was this intense heat that pushed a good deal of the crowd out the door early it certainly wasn't the music e-tones, gene farris, and miles maeda? (not real sure if that last one was him ;} spun some good progressive house/acid although whoever spun before closing time wasn't quite the shit... closing time?? yup... it "ended" at about 6 from what i assume was pressure from those police guys hot? small system? busted? how could this have been fun? well... i had fun once the people started clearing out there was plenty o room and the promoters helped try and cool things down (they gave out free pop too ;} i saw SNAP as a small, intimate party not the washout it was...i guess ;} the promoters really did try they had a rad space (according to some people who went to the first site... well...bryan, kyle, uyen ;} and got shafted it was only going to be $10 in the 1st place and the lineup was rad... what? oh...sorry... see ya in iowa?? <<^GUIDO^^>>>>> swaterbu@gac.edu.............8} From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 22:22:27 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA07523; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:22:15 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA23153; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:19:15 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:19:15 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: stu@infochi.infochi.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stu Shea To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Drugs X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Daniel Wenders wrote: > figures or just your own speculation? Tell me how many gangs are out > there having gang warfares because of alcohol? Not very many THey did when alcohol was illegal, back in the 1920s. Ask any serious student of history from that period, and they'll tell you. It's all about controlling supply and demand. If your cargo is illegal, your operation will be far more so, and likely more dangerous because of it. We're awfully good at ignoring history in this country; prohibition has decreased public safety and never stopped the use of illegal drugs. I'm no libertarian, but on this issue I side with the libs. > Does anybody remember New Jack City? I don't belive its just drugs and > alcohol that is ruin g this country is drugs, alcohol and EVERYTHING else > (I.E. Clinton Administration) that is runing this country. Is Clinton to blame for messing up the rave scene too? How about some documentation here? > tellme drugs don't break up a family. one of my good friends that used > to hang around with was into pot and acid and the like. One day he got > into a big argument with his parents about his drug use .. they kicked > him out (he was over 18) and now is is living with one of his druggie > friends and is now doing more dugs then ever.. Sounds like a parent/child problem, not a drug problem. > drinking he still ives with ihs parents is on good terms with them, helps > them out when needed.. tell me which one is better? How old is your friend? How much does he drink? Do his parents drink with him? How much do they drink? Respectfully, Stu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 22:29:29 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA07678; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:29:09 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA25464; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:25:45 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:25:45 -0600 Message-Id: <9411072224.AA27473@aug1> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: allen@augsburg.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: THE SCENE (another 2 hits) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO jjhelton (Doc) transpostulates: > 1>PEOPLE-there are so many great people in the scene that have been > swallowed by it. that is unfortunate for them and their friends. I personally know a fellow who's molecular structure was actually temporarily broken up by subsonic sound waves once, and he passed thru the so-called "acoutisticly transparent material" and was trapped inside a bass bin for 2 hours until someone noticed and freed him, using a can opener...seriously, tho watchoomeen, swallowed up? by "The Scene or by drugs? 2>DRUGS- they're a part of most every scene. the problem arises > when a person solely depends on a drug/drugs to have a good time. > in my opinion... some drugs have no place in our scene(ex.IO) > certain substances, if used properly and with proper precautions > can be a very fulfilling experience. but please KNOW YOUR LIMITS > don't go to a party and try to kill yourself. that's not what the > scene needs, wants, or is about. > > 3>VIBE- ...etc..etc... blah blah... to do drugs/to not do drugs... thats not the question... was it good for you?, that is the question. Allen.para From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 22:38:35 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA07986; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:38:12 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA27460; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:34:39 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:34:39 -0600 Message-Id: <9411072233.AA27592@aug1> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: allen@augsburg.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Drugs X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >Bah! Another excuse to justify drugs as being good. Please tell me where >di you get your information from? What sources? is it actual facts and >figures or just your own speculation? Tell me how many gangs are out >there having gang warfares because of alcohol? Not very many how many >gangs are out there haivng warfares because of drugs?? I'd say ALOT! >Does anybody remember New Jack City? I don't belive its just drugs and >alcohol that is ruin g this country is drugs, alcohol and EVERYTHING else >(I.E. Clinton Administration) that is runing this country. don't >tellme drugs don't break up a family. one of my good friends that used >to hang around with was into pot and acid and the like. One day he got >into a big argument with his parents about his drug use .. they kicked >him out (he was over 18) and now is is living with one of his druggie >friends and is now doing more dugs then ever.. (needless ot say I don't >seem him that much anymore) My other best friend likes to go out >drinking he still ives with ihs parents is on good terms with them, helps >them out when needed.. tell me which one is better? > >DTW what discount sale did you by your logic circuit from? DOH. ALLEN.para From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 22:49:10 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA08281; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:48:35 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA29722; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:45:05 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:45:05 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: nraskosk@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: nicole marie raskosky To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: HOME X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Dear anyone with a car driving from Bloomington to Chi-town, We wanna go HOME really really bad. If anyone is driving through, around, from Bloomington we will be willing to donate BOOKU bucks for gas. Please e-mail us back and let us know was up!!!!!!!!!!!! Sincerely, .......Niki and Lisa......... NRASKOSK LBAUGHAR @indiana.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 22:57:43 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA08566; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:56:30 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA01810; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:53:41 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:53:41 -0600 Message-Id: <199411072250.WAA03893@falcon.depaul.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: goldbaum@falcon.depaul.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nate Goldbaum To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: my $0.02 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO OK all--- *MY* 2 sense. Drugs have been an integral part of my life. I started getting high when I was 15 (I'm 22 now) and I have recently begun to lose my interest in drugs. Why? Because I'm finding the things I took drugs to find. I always understood that tripping was a spiritual quest. To open that window to a new reality is to seek truths we can use in our own (whoever used the window metaphor, that was well put). But now I'm learning that I can open that window without any substances, through open-mindedness and belief in my own ability to see these things. It's an exciting new turn in my spiritual quest. We all live our lives differently. We all travel different paths (the paths people travel in this scene are *especially* different :D ) and we all come upon truths at different times and in different ways. What was true for me just a few months ago is no longer true for me. The path I thought was right is no longer right for me. But the fact that I would not make the same choice today does not mean it was the wrong choice then. Truth is dependent on time and place as well as the beholder and we all need to recognize that we see the world from a different perspective than the next person. "Judge not lest ye be judged." What am I trying to say? This is all kind of roundabout. I guess, I'm right for not using drugs anymore. I was right to use drugs then. People who don't use drugs are right. People who use lots of drugs are right. People who set limits on their drug use are right. We can only make decisions for ourselves. We cannot stop someone else from making the 'wrong' choice -- all we can do is influence each other through communication. We all do what we do because it seems like the right choice at the time. Often we look back and think it was the wrong choice. But it's not. It's simply the choice we made. Was it stevenj who said "what price paradise?" Yes there will be ramifications later, but that's all part of growth. To grow burnt out is to grow just like anything else. What would have become of me if I'd worked a little harder on that sixth grade English paper? Who knows? Maybe something good, maybe something bad. I'll never know. I am (to a certain extent) the result of the choices I've made. I would be different if I'd made different choices. And I honestly think that I'd be worse off if I'd never made the 'wrong' choice. I'd never have learned and my knowledge would not have been seated in experience. This is what some experts call the difference between knowledge and wisdom. I would understand my current health less had I not made unhealthy decisions (learn from the parable of the Prodigal Son -- such words from a nicejewishboy). Malcolm X is a great example of someone who had to "journey throught the night, journey into light." (D-Influence) Where is this all going? Make the decision that *you* think is right. Even if you think another is making the 'wrong' decision, realize that that person must go hir own path to become who they are. You can only make decisions for yourself, not the person over there. However, don't get defensive if someone questions your actions. They are only trying to communicate their viewpoint. Often "judgments" are a desire on the part of the judge to understand your own perspective (however distorted that inquiry may be). Always be willing to share and communicate your experience. Also, always be honest with yourself and others. To be dishonest for fear of being judged will hurt you in the end. If someone judges you, that is their problem. The judgment stands in their mind, not in your life. Always be willing to communicate, no matter what (words I should learn to live by :D ). Communication is the greatest expression of love. I love you all (see?) *comes down off soapbox* peaceout nate From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 23:11:03 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA09037; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:10:26 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA21726; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:03:56 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:03:56 -0600 Message-Id: <199411072305.RAA04637@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: brujah@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Gaijin Kagemusha To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Drugs X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Ok, let's wade thru all this stuff.. (i've been wading thru dan's posts for a good 4 years now, so i'm getting adept at it..) >Bah! Another excuse to justify drugs as being good. Please tell me where >di you get your information from? What sources? is it actual facts and >figures or just your own speculation? And who's to say they're bad? Alcohol has horrible side effects on the human body; a bad alky hangover is a million times worse than a case of day-after acid jitters... now, i won't deny that narcotics-derivatives and the like are a bad scene (anything physically injected is a bad scene..), but I think psychoactives/hallucinogens should be considered in a totally different light, as they're non-addicitve, and the sales and distribution of such don't prey on the poor and unfortunate in the same matter as crack or heroin might. We're talking recreation useage, just like alcohol usage for the most part (and I'd treat pot the same way, mostly..), rather than hardcore addiction-crime spirals. It's like them proverbial apples and oranges. Aside from the fact that you've had no personal experience with ANY of the aforementioned substances, so you're in no position to be comparing the detriments of such. My own experiences, while not necessarily 'good' on all counts, have been incredibly enlightening, and I don't regret any of them. >Tell me how many gangs are out >there having gang warfares because of alcohol? Not very many how many >gangs are out there haivng warfares because of drugs?? I'd say ALOT! >Does anybody remember New Jack City? I don't belive its just drugs and >alcohol that is ruin g this country is drugs, alcohol and EVERYTHING else >(I.E. Clinton Administration) that is runing this country. (thpppt!) And how many gangs are having warfare over acid and E? Uh.. NONE. Why? Because, again, acid/E/peyote/pot (altho, now that pot is a fashionable ghetto drug, this is changing... damn you, World Industries..) are not part of the addiction-crime-gangs-guns scene, and can't be, because you don't have the same recurring customer base.. you don't get addicted (i.e. CRACKHEADS), and there's always more than enough to go around, so no wars break out. (Besides, the whole narcotics/drugs problem is totally government spawned... but i don't feel like getting into conspicary stuff here, so nevermind that..) Oh, and uh, by the way... New Jack City is FICTION! Do you seriously think that's the way things go in real life, just because Mario Van Peebles (who, obviously, knows everything about the drug trade, cuz he's black.. DUH) chose to portray it that way? That's lame, man, if you're basing your opinions of this stuff of of hollywood movies.. that's like claiming pot is horribly detrimental, cuz they said so in "reefer madness"... ack. >don't >tellme drugs don't break up a family. one of my good friends that used >to hang around with was into pot and acid and the like. One day he got >into a big argument with his parents about his drug use .. they kicked >him out (he was over 18) and now is is living with one of his druggie (shrug) Maybe so, but I think i know who you're referring to, and it all depends on the excess to which you're using the drugs. If your parents kick you out because of drug use, I think your family isn't working right to begin with, and yer parents are taking the wrong path. In the same way, his parents'd probably have kicked him out if they'd found out he'd been having sex (-ESPECIALLY- if you're referring to the person i think you are.. but i won't name names..), but would that lead you to the conclusion that sex brekas up families? Last i head, it caused them. Sounds more like a case of age bias to me. >friends and is now doing more dugs then ever.. (needless ot say I don't >seem him that much anymore) My other best friend likes to go out >drinking he still ives with ihs parents is on good terms with them, helps >them out when needed.. tell me which one is better? I, too, have seen the increase in drug usage among our old crowd, and as such i don't hang around with them anymore.. it was never a problem before, when it was just occasional recreational usage, but now it's an obsession that dominates their lives, and I don't care to be a part of it... Ach, i'm rambling like hell... but I can sum up the entire moral of this in one line: Moderation, kids, moderation. Know the edge. >DTW (hope all that made sense.. i tend to lose my train of thought a lot..) (and, dammit... POT HAS RUINED MY LIFE!! .. and not thru my own usage..) -- * (RIP: STRENGTHinNUMBERS.. coming soon: CRASH KILLS 230, www zine FH) * * 2nd year film student, part time a/v setup technician, industrial music * * freak, gabber fiend/raver... there just aint enough time in the day. * * homepage! "ftp://alpha2.csd.uwm.edu/pub/kagemusha/howdy.html" * From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 23:24:12 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA09454; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:23:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA21936; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:18:38 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:18:38 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: esherman@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Robogirl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: alt.drugs ftp site X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Saw mention of this, what is the address? From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 23:39:59 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA09876; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:39:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA22614; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:34:35 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:34:35 -0600 Message-Id: <199411072334.RAA11230@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: beatpunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: my $0.02 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >OK all--- > >*MY* 2 sense. > > [his 2 sense deleted] > >*comes down off soapbox* > >peaceout > nate > Thank you for the most intelligent, sensitive, and well-though-out post I've seen all week. -- ---------------------------beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu------------------------------ "And the further I get from the things that I care about The less I care about how much further away I get" -Robert Smith From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 23:40:34 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA09882; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:39:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA22559; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:34:10 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:34:10 -0600 Message-Id: <199411072327.XAA08299@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: alt.drugs ftp site X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >Saw mention of this, what is the address? paranoia.com They also have a webserver running: http://www.paranoia.com/drugs/ -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 7 23:40:56 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA09894; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:40:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA22497; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:33:44 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 16:33:44 -0600 Message-Id: <199411072326.RAA09276@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: beatpunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Drugs X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >Bah! Another excuse to justify drugs as being good. Please tell me where >di you get your information from? What sources? is it actual facts and > [rambling snipped] Opinion (op-IN-yun) n. - The views, ideas and personal prefernences peculiar to one individual, having little or no applicability to others. See also "pennies". ---------------------------beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu------------------------------ "And the further I get from the things that I care about The less I care about how much further away I get" -Robert Smith From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 00:39:50 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA11362; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:38:43 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA23651; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:34:27 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:34:27 -0600 Message-Id: <9411080053.AA00315@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jong@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jon Gilkison To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: niftee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Just to stroke my ego a little ... I got my first gig doing a real life rave flyer :) wooowooo. Recess in Minneapolis, Dec 17th :) Back the phukk up SuperFreak, the Professa is in the house :) Seeyaz earache From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 01:26:01 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA12191; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:24:25 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA24321; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:20:23 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:20:23 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ7IUVN3WIQPGYB1@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Drugs, etc. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I'm not going to say anything about what's better, being sober all of the time, or going hog wild on some substance (I personally opt to being sober all of the time), but I just want to say a few things. First, even though this might sound bad, I hold the opinion that I could really careless if every does drugs or not, but at the same time, I become very disturbed if people close to me do them. I upsets me more than you believe, but that still doesn't mean I have the right to stop them (although, that doesn't mean I can't change situations to make them stop). My point in all of this is that I treat everyone of you as my best friends. Remember, we're all family. So it really bothers me when people get indulged in thier substances. Just be careful, that is all I can ask for. Now, the other thing I want to talk about, specifically, is lsd. I don't know if everyone here knows this already or not, but the govern- ment created it to try to control the minds of enemies, or what not. It failed, obviously. But, isn't it ironic that they're the ones who created it, and now they're trying to take it away? Sorry, I just think it's rather funny.. Enough of my babbling... Peace out, Ramylson From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 01:41:31 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA12665; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:40:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA24582; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:35:35 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:35:35 -0600 Message-Id: <9411080135.AA27833@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: kiwi@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: kiwi@expert.cc.purdue.edu (-==Kiwi==-) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Drugs, etc. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Last epsiode, BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu cried out: > Now, the other thing I want to talk about, specifically, is lsd. I > don't know if everyone here knows this already or not, but the govern- > ment created it to try to control the minds of enemies, or what not. > It failed, obviously. But, isn't it ironic that they're the ones who > created it, and now they're trying to take it away? No, don't worry, it's not another dissertation on someone's view on the horrors or blessings of illegal substances, I just wanted to clear up a misconception: LSD was originally created by accident in Europe in the 1930's. The guy was looking for a cure for headaches. When the drug reached Amerika in the 1940s, that's when it became abused by the Goverment. They tested it on everything from drug addicts to unsupecting prostitutes to an elephant. When the CIA got a hold of it, that's when it was tried to use to control minds. Trust me, I gave a report on it for Com. You should have seen my class when I got up there and said, "What does Cary Grant, Jack Nicholson, the Beatles, and me all have in common? We've all tripped on LSD!" HA! +) Kiwi - -- Stephen Roberts | Purdue University | Drugs against war. Philosopher | From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 01:44:29 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA12780; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:43:10 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA24659; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:38:21 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:38:21 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: adesombr@worf.uwsp.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Adam Desombre To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Drugs, etc. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 7 Nov 1994 BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu wrote: > Now, the other thing I want to talk about, specifically, is lsd. I > don't know if everyone here knows this already or not, but the govern- > ment created it to try to control the minds of enemies, or what not. > > Peace out, > Ramylson Ramy, baby, where the heck did you get that info? Now, I'm no expert, but thats just totally false. I do believe that Albert Hoffman discovered it in his research at Sandoz laboratories. He was synthesizing various derivatives from ergotamine I believe, and discovered it by accident when he found himself tripping his balls off. :) later... ...adam From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 01:54:36 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA13451; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:53:36 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA24837; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:49:05 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:49:05 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: adesombr@worf.uwsp.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Adam Desombre To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: mailing lists X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey, I hear there's a breaks mailing list out there. Could someone give me/post the address and info as to how to get on it. also, isn't there a wisconsin raves list too? what's the address for that. Any other worthy lists out there? later... ...adam From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 01:57:03 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA13540; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:55:47 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA24932; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:52:00 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:52:00 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ7JYWS5VMQPH6AQ@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Drugs, etc. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >Ramy, baby, where the heck did you get that info? I watched some damned program on it (which I shouldn't trust anyways because they're probably just stretching the truth anyways). I might be wrong on what I said though. Maybe they didn't create it, but the show was going off on how the government was doing tests to see if they could control the brains of others with it, and how they were using humans to test it, and one guy flipped hard and though he could fly. To skip the gore, he died and the government covered it all up. The program was going into how they might bring at back to court, etc, etc... There, is that a little more towards that mark? Peace out, Ramylson From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 02:31:43 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA14567; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:30:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA25414; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:24:53 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:24:53 -0600 Message-Id: <199411080224.SAA00932@taz.hyperreal.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: abennett@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Bennett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: alt.drugs ftp site X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Craig L. Stodolenak said :: > > >Saw mention of this, what is the address? > > paranoia.com > > They also have a webserver running: > > http://www.paranoia.com/drugs/ I might also add that Lamont Granquist has roughly 25 Mb or so of alt.drug information at hyperreal.com, available via gopher, ftp, or http://hyperreal.com/drugs. And I would also like to state that perhaps most of this alt.drug conversation would be better suited for alt.drug. We can argue and bicker about this until we turn blue in the face, but I think Nate's post hit the nail on the head exactly -- it's up to the indiviual. But I'd also like to add that the individual should not become selfish and self-centered in drug use, and realize that their use affects friends, relatives, and family to some degree. Peace. Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 02:37:44 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA14775; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:36:46 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA25628; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:32:22 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:32:22 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: interlab@csd.uwm.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Drugs X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Daniel Wenders writes: >My other best friend likes to go out >drinking he still ives with ihs parents is on good terms with them, helps >them out when needed.. tell me which one is better? I think maybe you should study this more thoroughly. I and thousands of other individuals come from homes that were basically raped of any chance of a so-called normal/stable life. The cause of this... at least in my case... is the abuse of alcohol. My former step-father is an alcoholic and during states of drunkeness he would beat me and my mother. I won't carry on for days about this...alcohol is just as serious of drug as any other. People die everyday from drunk driving and other related accidents, do to the abuse of alcohol. I am not trying to be an ass I think people should think about what drugs are and how they effect them on an individual basis. I don't impose my beliefs onto anyone...people should be able to ingest what they choose as long as it doesn't hurt anyone around them. It is a fine line but with a little respect, education, and proper com- munication amongst us all we can live freely and be safe and have fun doing so. Take care and hugs to ALL! Jonah/poot dan, ben, jonah & shit head who sucks on big poppy head InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 03:21:27 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA16007; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:21:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA26269; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:16:06 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:16:06 -0600 Message-Id: <9411080335.AA00782@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jong@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jon Gilkison To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Recess X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO --------======================================================-------- ....Unik Communikations.... ....is proud to present.... --------======================================================-------- ---==== R ... 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From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 03:27:02 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA16189; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:25:54 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA26466; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:20:58 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:20:58 -0600 Message-Id: <199411080317.WAA23777@little-miami.iac.net> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: quest@iac.net Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: quest@iac.net (Johnny Quest) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: Cincy and Optic Fusion... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > i did go to one great party there called OPTIC FUSION in spring of >`93...the dj's were wack but the vibe and space (outdoors) were fukin phat > anyone else go to that?? That was the first party I went to.. I thought it was pretty good despite the coldness and dampness, but hey, it was my first party, I didn't really pick up on a whole lot of things and didn't know who anyone was.. It wasn't until later I found out that BodyRelease was there.. 8^) Laters -- |O|=======================================================================|O| |O| / /\ is quest@iac.net President of : /|_|_ (r) |O| |O| \/ohnny \\uest /-|R|WORX |O| |O| --------------- 513.524.3403 | | |O| |O| -- finger quest@iac.net for info! -- (_)NLIMITED |O| |O|=======================================================================|O| From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 03:31:22 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA16399; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:30:09 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA26585; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:25:14 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:25:14 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: attention GAY netravers!!! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO how about at some event in the future all us gay netravers meet at say 1:30 at the smart bar? sound good? ben dan, ben, jonah & shit head who sucks on big poppy head InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 03:42:25 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA16745; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:40:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA26780; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:32:17 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:32:17 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: dan sucks X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO to explain the last entry by us( ilab)- it would be cool to get to know more net ravers that are gay. the truth is, however, that dan is soooo hungry for it he could pee.this is a serious offer, but everyone should know how desperate and vulnerable he is right now.all POSITIVE responses welcome! love to you all ben and jonah dan, ben, jonah & shit head who sucks on big poppy head InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 04:07:33 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA17502; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:06:38 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA27076; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:59:14 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:59:14 -0600 Message-Id: <9411072157202960299@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Drugs X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO EWvery one has there opinion and there own fucking views. It looks like everyone wants to put there opinion on the net. That's great, but I am getting tired of reading them. Just remember, there is a limit to everything and excess is never good. Now find another subject like reviews one raves or info (not gossips). pEace and out. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 04:09:09 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA17537; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:08:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA27295; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:01:19 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:01:19 -0600 Message-Id: <9411072157582960749@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Things to bring to a rave X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO a case of water bottles a potassium pill (in case someone took too much A) extra clothes toys a large smile food blanket pEace and out From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 04:13:01 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA17603; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:12:07 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA27130; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:59:43 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:59:43 -0600 Message-Id: <9411072157432960591@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Mistic Eyes, St Louis X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Now than I've got some sleep, here is my little review : The site was huge but without apperance too big. There were 3 rooms : one medium side ambient one small hip hop room one main room There were nice deco on the walls. The promoters did spent time on decorating the site. Oh, the site was in a flea market. The Small room : DJ Casey from Knoxville, brougth his sound system. He kicked some ass. The room was only 12 meter * 12, even though it was small there was always people in there. Ambient room : it was my favorite place the whole night. Myrlin from Memphis (CCP promoter) did the best set I ever heard. Congratulations. On average there were 2 to 300 people in there. Joel from St Louis did the Lighting with 4 Roboscan 218 A by martin, nice programming. I had two of my stacks in there which I think was plenty enough. Dave Kirland also played some good tunes : housy ambient Jay Night also had a good set. The main room : the sound was done by diversified Audio from Chicago. I think that those MT4 are not made for techno music. The sound was extremely harsh, in fact so harsh that just a few people were dancing in front of them. Every one else were at least 10 ft away. Those MT4 would be grgeat for a heavy metal bang. This is just my opinion. The lights were position in such a way that no matter in which direction you were dancing, you had a beautiful view. The dJ : Chip B : I was a little disappointed by his set. I was getting us to hear him play something really deep and catchy. Trevor Lamonte : no comment, always good Astroboy : also a little dissapointed, may be he did not like the mixer. He did a lot better set at Xanadu. I did not hear the other dj, I was in the ambient room most of the time. The crowd : There waere at least 1500 poeple in the building. 700 of them had nothing to do with the rave scene. They were just watching the ravers having fun dancing and doing other fun stuff. I told one guys who was drinking beer and was talking on a portable cel : "Are you sure you are in the right place ?" I did not set many net.people, just Jay Night and Sho from Lafayette. I'd like to see Sho's and Jay's review of Mistic Eye. Things I liked : the ambient room the deco the organization the building Pixel's house party on Friday The wake up call for Cruel Dave and Trina (we filled up there room with fog to get them up) Thing I did not like 700 people who had nothing to do there a girl that dislocated her knee The weather peace and out. French E a.k.a. Davis J. Bassan Music is my religion what is your ? From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 04:28:10 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA17894; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:27:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA07123; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:24:49 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:24:49 -0600 Message-Id: <199411080423.WAA06903@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: believe@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: xlarge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Things to bring to a rave X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >a case of water bottles >a potassium pill (in case someone took too >much A) >extra clothes >toys >a large smile >food >blanket > >pEace and out you forgot blow pops (blue razz of course) xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl ..it's the new style!! xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 04:49:11 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA18361; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:48:38 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA09691; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:40:27 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:40:27 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Drugs, etc. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Adam Desombre wrote: > > > On Mon, 7 Nov 1994 BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu wrote: > > > Now, the other thing I want to talk about, specifically, is lsd. I > > don't know if everyone here knows this already or not, but the govern- > > ment created it to try to control the minds of enemies, or what not. > > > > Peace out, > > Ramylson > > Ramy, baby, where the heck did you get that info? > > Now, I'm no expert, but thats just totally false. I do believe that > Albert Hoffman discovered it in his research at Sandoz laboratories. He > was synthesizing various derivatives from ergotamine I believe, and > discovered it by accident when he found himself tripping his balls off. :) > > later... > ...adam > > that is true, but althoough this is rather insignificant, the movie jacob's ladder was all about the use of lsd on the soldiers in the vietnam war...it was thought to make them killing machines... okay, so this is just a movie, but if i remember correctly...at the end of the movie they stated that the gov't really did dispense lsd to the soldiers for exactly this purpose... just thought i'd throw out my input... gretchen e blount From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 04:55:20 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA18457; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:54:58 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA12037; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:53:15 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:53:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199411080453.WAA11983@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: THELME00@UKCC.UKY.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: tim To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: MW-RAVES digest 202 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey, dan or whoever wrote the post that utterly slammed anyone who does drugs and does not feel terribly guilty about it - i have a question for you. what do you think about the people of Afghanistan? oh? you've never met them? then don't talk about them. unless you realize that you are taking your information from the truths of another. people believe what they want to believe. and this isn't about drugs. it's on all of it. you get your information from all these different sources and here you are one day, just like everybody else, deciding what to believe. believe the newspaper or the television or jello biafra. or say there's a conspiracy to destroy our spirits. who is to say you are wrong? i hear a thousand thousand marijuana smokers saying lsd is bad for you. and they believe the test results they read about in government pamphlets. but they deny the like propoganda put forth on marijuana. again, people believe precisely that which sounds best. the "best" = what they most want to hear + what they deem most plausible from what they have already established as truths. and who's to say it's propoganda? may the government be correct? perhaps. i do not choose this as the truth for me. but dan might. and that is his right. the only thing i argue against is lack of recognition. recognize that your truth is not the only possible truth. that maybe the guys who say drugs are wrong are right. or maybe that the "druggies" shouldn't be called such. or maybe that neither group is correct. and maybe you believe in moderation, but maybe i think moderation is the key to slowly-gained wisdom, and immersal is the only method to true knowledge of all degrees. but i am likely wrong, too. one thing is for certain, though, dan. if you truly want to change someone's mind, and this someone partakes of drugs, you are not going to do it by using words like pothead. friendly terminology and wording will get you MILES in an argument - if your aim is indeed to win the opponent or friend to your side. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 05:57:36 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA19631; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 00:56:33 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA19515; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:53:47 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:53:47 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: liquid sky X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO here is liquid sky's phone number...i hope this helps. actually it is subtopia's number which is directly below liquid sky... thats where they sell rekkids and stuff:) 212 431 6718 i was working right around the corner from liquid sky and saw carlos soulslinger either in the store or walking to or from the store numerous times so if you call he may even be there:) good luck l8r ellen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 06:14:41 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA19876; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 01:13:36 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA21701; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 00:11:30 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 00:11:30 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: steve@chaos.mcs.mu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve Kaczkowski To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Drugs X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Daniel Wenders wrote: > >>Alcohol is ruining this country > > Oh and drugs aren't?? I like drinking but yet just like you I drink in > moderation. I don't get drunk either.. > > DTW > > > Well being Alcohol is LEGEL and is more available. Its more 'ACCEPTED' and more regarded as NOT a drug. People don't like to believe that it IS a drug, and causes problems. Look at how many deaths it causes, I'm not saying drugs don't cause deaths (Look at crack). But Alcohol does much more damage than just deaths. how many families do you know of that broke up because of 'E'? Not too many, right... Theres good and bad. Pick whats right for you, and respect others... Don't let it control you.. Take care all.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Life is short, Death is for sure. Steve Kaczkowski Sin is the cause, Christ is the cure.." Pfffffft... steve@chaos.mcs.mu.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 06:55:17 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA20420; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 01:54:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA26053; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 00:52:21 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 00:52:21 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: barnetjr@ucunix.san.uc.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jenifer A Barnett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: EVOLUTION-free for net ravers X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Just a reminder that the evolution party in louisville on friday is free for net ravers if you respond by friday morning to barnetjr@ucunix.san.uc.edu The line-up for Trilobite turntables is Hyperactive James Johnson Astroboy BenMan from louisville Thome tomato Leviathan -evolution Damon from Cincy sean and kasi and others also Terry Mullan is once again spinning at technosaurus so the new lineup is in order of appearance dieselboy lenny d scott henry terry mullan mike huckaby mark farina there will also be a second room with house early and ambient later btw technosaurus is 12.3.94 i hope to hear from many more net ravers for TT peace. tim and jen Imsmartru/evolution From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 06:58:49 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA20459; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 01:57:51 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA26442; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 00:55:36 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 00:55:36 -0600 Message-Id: <199411080651.AAA12801@earth.execpc.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: danimal@earth.execpc.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: danimal@earth.execpc.com (Archaeopteryx) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Drugs X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO So what you are saying is that because Alcohol is legal it does more damage than illegal drugs? I guess I don't understand. The chemicals in alcohol or drugs do the same thing whether they are legal or not. They have proven that, taken in moderation, alcohol is good for your heart and, I think, it even helps with your cholestorol. True taking excessive amounts is bad for you and can cause cirosious(sp) of the liver. You have all told me that in the Prohibition times the Mobs had wars on Alcohol but now there are no more because its widely available. Then what you are saying is that if all drugs were legal too there would be no need for gangs to shoot each other. There would be no "drug runs" and such. Do you think this is going to solve the problem? Like Beatpunk said: Opinion (op-IN-yun) n. - The views, ideas and personal prefernences peculiar to one individual. This is my opinion if you don't like it Oh well. Copyright 1994 D.T.W. Corp All rights and lefts reserved. Oh Goody! My Alludium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator! Sex is Hereditary, If your parents never had it chances are you won't either. A Dream is a fleeting moment but, a Dream about You is Eternal. Danimal@Earth.Execpc.com Compuserve ID: 74130,2137 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 07:43:42 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA20803; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 02:42:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA29485; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 01:39:55 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 01:39:55 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: keg1@cec.wustl.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Kris Ellen Grotelueschen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: efforts. . . X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO in an effort to get a lot of work done and therefore make it to iowa this weekend. . . i'm unsubscribing from mw-raves and having peter change my password so that i can't logon. if you need/want to get ahold of me you can try my team lab account: ce336t1@cec.wustl.edu or (if this plan works) COME TO IOWA :) have lots of fun and try not to kill each other this week!! love to all! electric k From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 08:47:49 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA21297; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 03:46:46 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA02359; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 02:43:37 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 02:43:37 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: pixel@crl.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "James P. Cooper" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Mystic Eye Review X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO .. had a terrific weekend here at home in St. Louis: It all began Thursday at Felix's DJs: Traxx, Justin Long, Devil Girl, Droid Thoughts: Traxx is one of my favorite chicago djs, and he spun some terrific stuff, including what john and I previously thought was a fairly essoteric dbx track (losing control). Long seemed to be having a rough night, and I couldn't stay for all of Leigh's set, although what I heard was very good! Didn't hear droid... ..it continued Friday at 8007 Titus (my place!) DJs: Jeff Kirchoffer, Jarrean, Luan, Potsticka, Devil Girl, and myself Thoughts: We handed out a mere 60 fliers at Felix's the night before and left a small stack in Deep Grooves on friday afternoon. People found out about the party all over the place (someone got a flier at a 7-11 --- go figure!). anyone attendence was very good considering Mark Farina was at Felix's. Only bummer part was that Sho didn't get a chance to spin (his ride left early) -- sorry sho! you could've taken my place if I would've known! that night the maxximum sound a lights crew (hereafter refered to as MSL) arrived during my set. those guys are fucking rad!!! ....and again on Saturday: Location: Flea Market off Rt. 3 in Illinois Thoughts on space: pretty cool. it was an old paintball arena, and there were paint sploches all over the walls from past games. near the ambien area there was a fenced off area that had bashed up cars in it -- Josh thought they should have lit them up with strobes or something. that would've been rad! Anyhow, john, josh, and I arrived around 4pm to help the MSL guys setup. they had it under control, so we basically stood around looking like we should be there (read: getting in the way!). setup highlight: getting to play on the second room system w/ French E's records until Trevor Lamonte showed up (I had to step aside). Hung out with Traxx and Justin Long a bit (both are moving to St. Louis! yea!) Thoughts on Lights: MSL kicks ass! these guys had their shit together big time. 2 ultra scans, four i-beams, 4 dataflashes, synchro, 4 vipers -- it looked rad! especially french e's program that made the two back i-beams turn in continuous circles in multiple colors. Thoughts on sound: I'm no expert, but I thought it sounded good. same stacks that were at nectar. loud and clear. .. Thoughts on DJs: ugh....ok. Promoter Dan wanted to appeal to the St. Louis house crowd I guess, but geez....they all played the same set: Spastik was played about 5 times Losing Control was played at least twice (surprised the hell out of me) when I left at 6:30am, all three rooms were house. the ambient room didn't have ambient. it was basically a second dance room. wouldn't been nice to actually have some real chill (we needed Wally and Curry!). Astro's set was weird. he definately spun better at Xanado, and he definately thought the Gemini PMX-100a was a shitty mixer (no eq, only one cue channel at a time). He also should *not* have spun first. he spins pretty esoteric acid now at parties (pretty consistantly now). it's great shit, but it's allienating music, and not a good way to pull in people that may not be totally down with the scene (as most of the 11pm arrivals weren't). should've been on later to give people time to get worked up first. just my .02 ... it was great to meet all the net.folk and see some old faces: a hearty hello to sho, p.j., josh, jay, niall, nitro, and of course french e and the MSL crew who hung out at our place all weekend (super fun!) I hope to see many of you at Iowa this weekend. I regret not being able to make the friday night MrJP event (b/c of work), but I will hook up with everyone the following night in Grinnel! pixel From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 08:59:17 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA21351; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 03:58:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA02650; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 02:53:19 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 02:53:19 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: firk0001@gold.tc.umn.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Richard D Firkins To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: niftee/general bitching X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Jon Gilkison wrote: > Just to stroke my ego a little ... > I got my first gig doing a real life rave flyer :) wooowooo. Recess > in Minneapolis, Dec 17th :) Better make it good. The shit that's been passed off as flyers lately in Minneapolis is, frankly, an insult to the scene and the people. (i.e. SNAP, Rhythm, Vandal, any Usual event). One might say the creativity of the flyer often ends up reflecting the creativity of the event. I'm not talking mutiple colors, just asking for a little inspiration. Sorry for the bandwidth, just needed to vent... pike/digital weasel. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 10:07:55 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id FAA21819; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 05:07:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA04477; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 04:05:36 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 04:05:36 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ7VPGQCSYQPH3JO@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Government and music. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO **Taken from breaks listserv 'breaks@xmission.com'** >Queen of the Jungle - Evening Standard (ES Magazine) - August '94 [snipped] >DJ Rap is unrepentant. 'Of course it's dark: it's inner city music. It reflects >the fact that times are hard for young people and those in authority have >stopped the licences for big open-air raves. If they let us hold open-air >raves the music we make would be inspired by that experience. Instead the >Government is shutting us into stupid, poky little clubs with no light. This >is what Jungle is reflecting and it's sad. The Government is turning us into >bats.' [snipped] This article is about breaks, but I just want to say something that they talked about (mainly what I've listed above). They say that the music is getting darker, but if that's true, then why isn't all of the music getting darker? I think we make of it what we want, and this might be the trend as of late for certain types of music. I do agree that the government has "cracked" down on the entire thing of events and all, but I doubt that they have the right to stop it, or are able to stop it. Oh well, enough from me. But what does everyone else think? Peace out, Ramylson From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 10:14:00 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id FAA21847; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 05:13:30 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA04758; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 04:10:59 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 04:10:59 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ7WK0EQ1GQPH3JO@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Breaks list. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, I deleted the message where someone was looking for the net address for the breaks list, and since no one else has posted it, I thought I would post it. Here it is: mail 'majordomo@xmission.com' with subscribe breaks in the body of the message Enjoy. Peace out, Ramylson From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 15:16:14 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA25951; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:15:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA23672; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:10:24 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:10:24 -0600 Message-Id: <199411081508.JAA23247@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve J White To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: LOBBY NOW FOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I thought with the current drug-related thread(s) going on this might be am interesting sidebar. - stevenJ ___________________________________________________________________________ In a technologically-induced stupor, David Borden flatly stated... >From borden@netcom.com Mon Nov 7 22:00:56 1994 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 20:01:35 -0800 From: borden@netcom.com (David Borden) Message-Id: <199411080401.UAA17468@netcom14.netcom.com> To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Subject: LOBBY NOW FOR MEDICAL MARIJUANA ****************************************************************************** Drug Reform Coordination Network (DRCNet) Rapid Response Team ****************************************************************************** Popular opinion and the legislatures of 35 states are on the side of medi- cinal availability for cannabis. 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Box 381813, Cambridge, MA 02238-1813 (617) 648-2655 / (617) 646-0657 (temporary fax#) / email: drcnet@netcom.com ============================================================================ Peace Justice Freedom Compassion Truth ============================================================================ \\\\\\\\\\ ////////// END THE DRUG WAR ////////// \\\\\\\\\\ Lasciate ogni autonomia, steven j. white aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu voi che entrate! finger for PGP 2.6 public key From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 15:18:20 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA26000; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:18:05 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA24288; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:13:19 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:13:19 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: drbrekke@mill2.millcomm.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Dennis R. Brekke" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: niftee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, Jon Gilkison wrote: > Just to stroke my ego a little ... > > I got my first gig doing a real life rave flyer :) wooowooo. Recess > in Minneapolis, Dec 17th :) > > Back the phukk up SuperFreak, the Professa is in the house :) > > Seeyaz > > earache > Make sure you post the finished flyer... in GIF format please. dj Kapt'nKrunch! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 15:23:24 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA26101; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:23:15 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA25394; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:18:15 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:18:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199411081513.PAA09988@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: mailing lists X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >also, isn't there a wisconsin raves list too? what's the address for that. wi-raves@csd.uwm.edu (same listprocessor & commands as mw-raves). No traffic on it, though. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 16:06:36 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA27092; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:06:20 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA01300; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:48:25 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:48:25 -0600 Message-Id: <199411081537.PAA11252@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Drugs X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO MaxximumSL@aol.com: >EWvery one has there opinion and there own >fucking views. It looks like everyone wants to put >there opinion on the net. That's great, but I am getting >tired of reading them. > >Just remember, there is a limit to everything and >excess is never good. > >Now find another subject like reviews one raves or >info (not gossips). I feel this forum represents the concerns and opinions of its members. If we're so worried about something that we spend this much time talking about it, then I think it needs to be discussed. If nobody cared, we wouldn't see any messages about it. Personally, I _want_ to read everyone's opinion. :-) If I remember correctly, a few of us were talking about how some of the other rave mailing lists were boring... boring because all that was posted was party reviews and upcoming event info. If we truly are a family, and I think we are, then when something comes up that we're thinking about, we talk about it. Well, at least I do. :-) It's interesting to me that when we have a gazillion messages about something that affected maybe 40 people on the list (Xanadu) hardly anyone griped. But when we have a topic that affects pretty much _everyone_, people complain that it should be moved or dropped. It seems so damn ironic that so many people do drugs in this scene, but are so loathe to talk about them. Is it some big secret that I'm missing? -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 16:54:15 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA27933; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:54:01 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA13428; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:50:47 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:50:47 -0600 Message-Id: <199411081650.KAA13340@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve J White To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: important info X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO In a technologically-induced stupor, Jenifer A Barnett flatly stated... [...] ::Hopefully, everyone will visit the ftp site. You should know exactly ::what you are doing to your body. There are many ways to optimize and ::enhance your body's performance. With knowledge you can chose the best ::way to control your own biochemistry. Here's my fav formula for physically getting through 'til sunrise and not feeling dead for 2 days after an event. 1.) drink lots and LOTS of water; bring your own bottles if you can but don't waste your cash on Evian and such, simply buy one bottle of that over-priced shyte and then keep the bottle for refills in the future 2.) I bring along fruit, usually oranges because of the energy provided and vitamin C; this keeps me going and from what I understand provides much of what was recently posted by that raving bio-chem student (you go boyiee ;-); bringing along and eating those energy bars or granola bar thingys couldn't hurt, either 3.) if you will be experiencing the Arts&Entertainment of raves then make sure your compadres know this and are fully prepared for whatever you might be going through physically; a bad trip can be saved by very simple steps taken before the fact ---> READ THE FAQ!!! 4.) did I already say drink a lot of water? ;-) have fun ... peas and hominy, - stevenJ Lasciate ogni autonomia, steven j. white aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu voi che entrate! finger for PGP 2.6 public key From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 17:35:34 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA28664; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:35:21 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA22517; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:29:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:29:07 -0600 Message-Id: <199411081714.MAA11529@top.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mcjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: mcjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (M. Christopher Jones) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Home meetwhile X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hi Anybody know the meetwhile number (if there is one) for Home in Chicago on Nov 12? See yous there. -C ________________________________________________________________________________ "Litho" M. Christopher Jones mcjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ________________________________________________________________________________ C o n c e n t r a t e on my v o i c e.......... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 18:39:53 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA00116; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:39:45 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA06382; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:29:56 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:29:56 -0600 Message-Id: <199411081828.MAA06165@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve J White To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Drugs, etc. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO In a technologically-induced stupor, blount gretchen e flatly stated... ::> ::that is true, but althoough this is rather insignificant, the movie ::jacob's ladder was all about the use of lsd on the soldiers in the ::vietnam war...it was thought to make them killing machines... ::okay, so this is just a movie, but if i remember correctly...at the end ::of the movie they stated that the gov't really did dispense lsd to the ::soldiers for exactly this purpose... It wasn't lsd, it was a completely different psychoactive drug, I don't recall the chemical name. Lasciate ogni autonomia, steven j. white aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu voi che entrate! finger for PGP 2.6 public key From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 19:00:17 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA01014; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:59:52 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA12091; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:54:41 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:54:41 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: marmoset@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dave Walker To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: TV corruption. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Fri, 4 Nov 1994, mRay wrote: > On Fri, 4 Nov 1994, Jon Yankovich wrote: > > > >well, is it anything unusual? like i said, today's underground it > > >tomorrow's pop. > > And today's undergound is yeasterday's England scene. > straight up -- why dont we move to bloody england i know id > probably enjoy myself more there Nah, the grass is always greener on the other side of the big pond -- the weather is horrible, the food is bad, and they've got even bigger class, economic, and racial problems than we do. Besides, all these great Detroit and Chicago 12"-singles we buy here for $4.99 are imports there. :) "Be thankful for what you've got." ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@msen.com absolutely sweat, marie Dave Walker From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 19:11:16 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA01291; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:11:02 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA14861; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:07:35 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:07:35 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ8KAK9VYA0002TC@UWSTOUT.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: PEDERSEND@UWSTOUT.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: PEDERSEND@UWSTOUT.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: niftee/general bitching X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Who says you need magical creations on paper to beenfit the scene? Personally I think there are better things to spend money on to increase the vibe at our raves than measly flyers. True I love trippy flyers and will try to get a hold of as many as I can, but I see no point. If it gets the message across, use it. -mirror -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Pedersen (QuikTrip) pedersend@uwstout.edu Sunshine Underground -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 19:25:41 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA01589; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:25:15 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA17986; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:20:29 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:20:29 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: kburress@ucs.indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: kyle burress To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: First step to Utopia X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey Gang.... Recently we've seen a lot of great things come up out of nowhere. Smaller scale parties that are foccused on a strong family vibe. Anyone who was at XANADU knows whats up. This Friday in Bloomington, In were gonna do tha same thing! ************************ THE FIRST STEP TO UTOPIA ************************ DJ's: JAJO - BILLEEBOB - DAVID HOLLANDS - CYBERJIVE - MIKE BRYANT - MIKE SCHROFF WE HOPE YOU JOIN US!!! info: 812-330-3976 -peace and hugs- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 19:32:06 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA01834; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:31:45 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA20247; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:28:38 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:28:38 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: synergy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Bradley John Owen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: niftee/general bitching X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Most definitely... Fliers do not make the party...it would be nice if people could just print a piece of paper with the names of DJ's and a phone number on some card stock. It would save the promoter's alot of money which could then be distributed in lower ticket prices to the party goers (I'm sure that you all love to pay fifteen dollars for parties...I know I do!!). Fliers are such superficial parts of the parties...they just get people to go because they look cool...often, promoters have nothing to do with it's design...they just say "do somethin trippy." On another note, I encourage all of you to pick up the new URB magazine which in it's MASSV section, has a nice "drop bass worship" section, supposedly written by "Amy Wayde." You can guess as to whether it was actually written by her. Peace... Brad-Synergy-Quadrasonic Promotions-Massive Magazine Watch for the arrival of Yanu's "b50 lab experiment" 12" on 430 West Records Detroit - Hitting Stores in December. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 19:47:57 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA02356; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:47:42 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA23143; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:40:07 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:40:07 -0600 Message-Id: <199411081939.NAA22990@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: THELME00@UKCC.UKY.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: tim To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: MW-RAVES digest 203 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO the person who mentioned moving to england - well, depends on your scene, i'd say. they seem pretty much into breaks. so yeah, the $4.99 detroits are imports over there, but uh...they have better stuff if you want breaks. on the whole, that is. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 19:53:25 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA02635; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:52:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA25240; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:49:51 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:49:51 -0600 Message-Id: <199411081948.NAA25000@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: THELME00@UKCC.UKY.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: tim To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: MW-RAVES digest 203 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO speaking of breaks and brits, the queen of the jungle snippit was posted by a brit as well. this is actually kind of important in realizing exactly what is being said. over there, they are perscuted. over here, we are harrassed. there is a difference. and over there, a lot of them aren't the suburban ravers or ex suburban converts and college kids most of us are. they are a family out of necessity in many cases. it is just a much harsher attitude all-around over in britain. and like the man said, they have greater class disparity and racial troubles are bad. when we get just the run-of-the-mill info about the queen and the family, we don't hear the harder stuff. most of those kids at Picadilly Circus weren't there for fun. they were there because they didn't really have a home. and so americans macked the punk movement. something to follow, i guess. but then, i have often wondered whether the whole question of where something originated really matters. long as it's good. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 20:31:27 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA03550; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:31:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA01570; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:17:54 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:17:54 -0600 Message-Id: <199411082016.OAA01144@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve J White To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: my $0.02 (last one from me ;-) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO In a technologically-induced stupor, david siska flatly stated... :: ::there have been a lot of interesting points made in this discussion. ::remember that just because one person thinks that what another person does ::is 'sad' doesn't mean that the other person is going to change. it just ::creates a feeling of resentment. 'well, i'm not hurting anyone around me, ::so deal with it' could be a typical reaction of a person who uses a lot of ::drugs being told that his/her habit is uncool. it then can become a ::question of whether or not it is our responsibility to look after others. [...] I just want to make myself more clear on this topic. With the comments I have made in this forum regarding drug (ab)use I have *NOT* intended to create an environment of resentment or merely that of derision. I hope I didn't come across as judgemental; if I did I apologize. But, I do want to make it clear that when I see friends destroying their lives with drug over-usage I won't merely stand by and watch. I'll let them know what I think about their actions; i.e. Interstellar Outback. Does this alienate people? Quite possibly, yes. But if someone who I care about is going in a direction whereby they will no longer be a part of my life because of their demise I can't just wait for it to happen and say, "Oh well. (S)he is gone but at least I didn't get on their case about their drug use." Yes, it *is* all about moderation but it is also about realizing who you affect in your life by your actions and being responsible for said actions. I know this should maybe have been moved to alt.drugs but I've given up on posting to Usenet newsgroups; plus, I don't care about anyone in a Usenet newsgroup, y'all are my family. =) Lasciate ogni autonomia, steven j. white aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu voi che entrate! finger for PGP 2.6 public key From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 20:59:45 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA04132; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:59:37 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA11045; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:55:49 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:55:49 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jayvee@cy.math.uic.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jay Gril To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: This list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO This is not an anti-drugs post. I just want to you to think for a second why the only topic that seems interest everybody is DRUGS. When in this list we are talking about other topic usually that thread last no more than 10 emails (and ten is a lot), but when is DRUGS we got ZILLIONS... Do ravers only worry about DRUGS??? Do DRUGS are the most important thing in your life??? Not only this, seems that the people in this list ignore topics that are much more important than DRUGS. Please don't missunderstand me, knowledge about DRUGS is very important, but IMHO I think you people are not getting to a point, and the only good thing that the DRUGS thread offer is that everyone posts about it (it's good to know that there are a lot of people in this list). The thing I started to wonder is if RAVERS in general the only thing they like to talk is DRUGS. And not only because of this list, how many times did a person ask you in a rave: "Are you tripping?". What is this???. Is this what you people want??? I think RAVE means not only a DRUG and a PARTY, I think RAVE means MOVEMENT. We are talking about a family right? What do you people think we have to do to that family be STRONGER than it is now?? What we can do against a system that is OPRESSING US??? What do you people want to do with you lifes??? DRUGS, MUSIC and that's all??? If you are talking about a family, I don't think this family will last too much if the only topic that really interest you is DRUGS. If you are talking about a movement, then propose things for that movement and don't be the perfect asshole the system wants, typical teenager kid who takes drugs and when he/she finish college will get a job, and he/she will remeber from his/her big couch watching Monday Night Football/Oprah when he/she was in school and how crazy he/she was. You people are talking about a difference, I really don't see a difference between a raver who talks about DRUGS all the time or a typical teenager kid. Maybe is just me that I don't belong here, I think I do. Please send flames privately and opinions and critiques to the list. Thanks +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | ______ __ __ ____ ____ | jayvee@cy.math.uic.edu | | / / _ \ \ /\/ /__\ __\ | U16080@uicvm.uic.edu | | _/ / _ \ / / ___\ ___\ | Jayvee@IRC | | \____\_\ /_/_/\__/_____/____/ | jayvee@Vrave | | | | +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | The fun fun fun of the Mid-west Autobahn | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 21:24:15 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA04663; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:24:05 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA17158; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:20:40 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:20:40 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ8N5DUT36QPH97U@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Upside Down Review. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Everyone is probably really sick of seeing posts from me, but tough. :> Anyways, I want to say a few things about Upside Down. Frist of all, this was a rad event. Total props to Kimm and krew for getting things together up in Green Bay. The sound was great, the dj's were great, the people there were excellent (everyone was so damned happy!), the only problem with all of this is that there could have been a bigger crowd, and I think the weather had something to do with that. We had the biggest problems getting there from Milwaukee through all of the rain and everything, but we all know that you can't change the weather. Overall though, I would give it an 8.5. As for netters in attendance.. there was Ryan W.H., Eric Schroeder, Kimm (obviously), Ellen (who helped with Ryan and I with J^2's booth, as well as handing out ring pops to everyone), and Itheo (it was nice seeing ya again!). *The raddest thing I saw: Todd Peopping sitting against the side wall by the Delerium booth, with his hood up, glasses on, sucking away on one of Ellen's ring pops. Damn.. I wish I had my camera. :> *DJ note: For good luck, wear cut off blue jeans and nothing else, and pant yourself with neon paints. :> (Deadly Buda) Peace out, Ramylson From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 22:02:10 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA05937; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:00:29 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA25660; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:56:21 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:56:21 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jeremy@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Daniel Millstein To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Things to bring to a rave X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO A good jar of Vicks is a necessity too!!! Daniel E On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, xlarge wrote: > > >a case of water bottles > >a potassium pill (in case someone took too > >much A) > >extra clothes > >toys > >a large smile > >food > >blanket > > > >pEace and out > > you forgot blow pops (blue razz of course) > > xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl > ..it's the new style!! xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu > xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 22:24:06 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA06530; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:23:23 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA00818; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:17:04 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:17:04 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jeremy@mailhost.tcs.tulane.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Daniel Millstein To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: This list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Jayee complained about the fact that drugs seem to be the only thing that people really get interested in on the list. Though it is obvious that there is substantially more to the list than drug talk (reviews, upcoming events, general chatter, etc.), it is also true that drugs are probably the hottest topic of all. So, Jayee is right in his assessment of the situation. But, his opinion is that there is something wrong with that fact. This is where I disagree. The general purpose of this list is the discussion of things that fit into the genre of raving. True, there are many aspects of rave culture that can be expounded upon. But, most people are in agreement about the virtues of unity, peace, love, and harmony extolled by a rave. To talk about such issues would be simply a rehash every time. Nobody need discuss it all that much, because opinions generally do not differ on those topics. However, drugs definately have a place in rave culture. Just as do love, music, and what have you. But, the major difference lies in the controversy surrounding the topic. It is obvious that the rave community is not unified in its opinion on drugs. Thus, many people have many things to say. So, if the purpose of a list such as ours is intelligent discussion, what better topic to discuss than one which has so many different vantage and view points. I love raves would be a pretty boring thread, because everyone on the list is in agreement of that fact. Whereas, drugs and their relationship to raves is something which just about everyone has their own take on. All in all, Jayee, one shouldn't reflect on the whole rave community, when only heeding what is at the forefront of that communities problems and or controversies. The values which, in your heart, you believe most ravers SHOULD extoll, are there in the hearts of all ravers, and are so well known that they need not be said. love, Daniel E From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 22:40:02 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA06920; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:39:39 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA05211; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:36:23 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:36:23 -0600 Message-Id: <199411082236.QAA05146@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: beatpunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Things to bring to a rave X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >a potassium pill (in case someone took too >much A) I've heard milk works well too... >extra clothes >toys Specifically: Prismatic glasses Anything with bright flashing LED's (preferably a headband) A yo-yo with swirly designs on the side that looks REALLY NEAT going down, and up, and down... An apple Newton (for recreational value only) >a large smile >food >blanket You forgot candy. :) -- ---------------------------beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu------------------------------ "And the further I get from the things that I care about The less I care about how much further away I get" -Robert Smith From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 22:59:13 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA07382; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:59:01 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA09795; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:53:41 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:53:41 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ctakacs@bgsuvax.bgsu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ChuckiE To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: All Natural (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO For those of you that are near Pittsburgh, PA...you might find this interesting.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:09:30 +0500 (EST) From: Joe LeSesne To: Pittsburgh-Cleveland Rave List Subject: All Natural PITTSBURGH November 25, 1994 Millenium Productions Presents: A L L N A T U R A L Where Society fades into a laughable memory... Shocking but true!!! You'll have to see it to believe it!!! 9pm-9am Live & Direct Line-up All Killer No Filler: DJ's Steve Loriah (Los Angeles, Stress Records West Coast Progressive Acid House) Metatron (London, UK, Praxias Records Head Honcho) Scott Forbush (Cleveland, Wanker Records, The Hardest Fastest Man in the Biz) Deadly Buda (Pittsburgh, King of the Nightime World) Terry Kicks (Pittsburgh, Thumping House God of Thunder) 1.8.7 (Pittsburgh, The Livest PA in the U.S. of A) Spike (Pittsburgh, The Upstage Mon. and Sat. nights) Buda (Pittsburgh, Bringer of Flowers and Pulsating Joy) Visonary Visuals by Eyegasm Panoramic Projections by Zamecnik Second Room Ambient and Poetry, Mellow grooves and Trancey rhythms from Pittsburgh's freshest new DJ's! Pittsburgh's Premier of The KickSquad Revolving SoundSystem "Warning: This is no joke. We highly recommend hearing protection. Ignore this recommendation at your own risk & responsibility." The David Apocalypse Show (The Circus Ringleader Returns) Everyone is welcome but this event has a limit of 850 tickets. Get 'em early This event WILL reach capacity. Maps & Location information availble ONLY on the day of the evnt at Ticket Locations or call the *NEW* Millenium Infoline @: 412.734.8994 Tickets availible in: @ phone Pittsburgh - Oakland Teleropa 412.621.2144 Collectors 12" 412.682.4033 Azis 412.683.8593 - Southside Slacker 412.381.3911 Revolutions 412.488.6227 - North Hills Record Rama 412.367.7330 - Forest Hills Future Sounds 412.351.3221 Cleveland - Deep Records 216.382.3101 Columbus - World Record 614.297.7900 Harrisburg - Checkered Past 717.561.8898 Lancaster - Checkered Past 717.299.6220 Baltimore - Modern Music 410.523.1882 Washington, DC - Music Now 202.338.5638 MORGANTOWN November 26, 1994 Big Underground Groove DJ's Richie Rich (NYC) dieselBoy (Pittsburgh) DJ Sun (Baltimore) Finger (Pittsburgh) Live PA by: 1.8.7 (Pittsburgh) More DJ's to be confirmed. Call 304.291.3975 for more information. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 23:18:12 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA07882; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:18:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA14077; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:13:21 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:13:21 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: itheo@edsi.appleton.wi.us Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: itheo@edsi.appleton.wi.us (Eric Thiel) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: UP-Side Down X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well...WOW! It was wicked. I will not write a long post, but here is the general idea... Props: T-1000...need I say more? He kicked... Space...Easy directions; great, cop-free spot... FREE CANDY!!! FREE H2O!!!!!! <---Rare lately... Good lights & sound... THe vibe was there, I thought... Bums: A little hot(not too bad...) Work the next morning(nasty...) $13 was worth it, but I could not afford to spend it... Hmm...I think that's it... Sorry I missed any Netravers, and I can not quite remember who was at the table... :-( Anyone else have any opinions? ...-=Itheo=-... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 8 23:31:30 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA08067; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:31:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA17101; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:28:08 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:28:08 -0600 Message-Id: <199411082327.RAA16977@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve J White To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Things to bring to a rave X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO In a technologically-induced stupor, beatpunk flatly stated... :: ::An apple Newton (for recreational value only) Do you have one of these and if so, have you actually gotten it do sucessfully do signature/handwriting recognition? I hear the Newton is a dog as far as this application goes. BTW, bring it along sometime. I've never gotten a chance to play with one of these things. Lasciate ogni autonomia, steven j. white aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu voi che entrate! finger for PGP 2.6 public key From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 00:00:44 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA08606; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:00:02 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA22375; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:57:17 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:57:17 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ8UKN6EW28Y70AK@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CAMMARAT@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: things to bring to a rave X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I think we all forgot these: LOVE COMPASSION TRUST FRIENDSHIP SMILES HUGS A BUMBLIN' BALL Tigger (psst...whose comin' to Iowa this weekend? e-mail either me or niall [cammarat or convery@ac.grin.edu] so we can hook yall up with some crash space and shit) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 00:09:28 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA09039; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:09:21 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA24247; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:06:20 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:06:20 -0600 Message-Id: <9411090024.AA03446@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jong@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jon Gilkison To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: niftee/general bitching X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >Most definitely... >Fliers do not make the party...it would be nice if people could just >print a piece of paper with the names of DJ's and a phone number on >some card stock. It would save the promoter's alot of money which >could then be distributed in lower ticket prices to the party goers >(I'm sure that you all love to pay fifteen dollars for parties...I >know I do!!). Fliers are such superficial parts of the >parties...they just get people to go because they look cool...often, >promoters have nothing to do with it's design...they just say "do >somethin trippy." I, personally (and go figure the flyer guy would say this), believe that flyers add to the overall atmosphere of a party - a good party with good promoters. There's something about digging through that thick ass stack of flyers and being reminded of how special a certain party was and all that. I think it would be sad if parties degenerated into such a simplistic production. I'm not saying this cuz I'm making money off these things either, I charge 25 bucks off the top and then they pay printing. 25 divided by 6 hours of design and work and scanning and getting booted out of MCAD's computer lab = minimum wage. I honestly think that if you slack on the flyers, something is missing. There's nothing epic about a xeroxed sheet of DJ names and a telephone number to get more info at. Just my $.06 Seeya - earache From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 00:48:15 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA09861; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:47:40 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA01192; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:44:58 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:44:58 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: grass is greener X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Dave Walker wrote: > On Fri, 4 Nov 1994, mRay wrote: > > > On Fri, 4 Nov 1994, Jon Yankovich wrote: > > > > > >well, is it anything unusual? like i said, today's underground it > > > >tomorrow's pop. > > > And today's undergound is yeasterday's England scene. > > straight up -- why dont we move to bloody england i know id > > probably enjoy myself more there > > Nah, the grass is always greener on the other side of the big pond -- > the weather is horrible, the food is bad, and they've got even bigger > class, economic, and racial problems than we do. > heh...this is true but at least you aren't likely to get carjacked over there. but dave's right...it's not a question of "better," just DIFFERENT. (i feel like mr. rogers) ++ e d "givin props where props are due" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 00:56:20 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA10039; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:56:02 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA02933; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:54:03 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:54:03 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: This list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Jay Gril wrote: > Not only this, seems that the people in this list ignore topics that are > much more important than DRUGS. Please don't missunderstand me, knowledge agreement here...i would like to see more people talkin about the choons > If you are talking about a movement, then propose things for that movement > and don't be the perfect asshole the system wants, typical teenager kid > who takes drugs and when he/she finish college will get a job, and he/she > will remeber from his/her big couch watching Monday Night Football/Oprah > when he/she was in school and how crazy he/she was. > > You people are talking about a difference, I really don't see a difference > between a raver who talks about DRUGS all the time or a typical teenager kid. wow...strong words hittin home. i'll answer for myself: i'm tryin to bring information together into a magazine (named *ele ment*...and yes, it is STILL coming ot someday...). > Maybe is just me that I don't belong here, I think I do. jay--YOU'RE RIGHT!! WE HATE YOU! GET OFF OUR LIST!!! ARRRRRRGH! *snicker* ++ e d From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 01:00:50 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA10174; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:00:20 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA03645; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:58:05 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 18:58:05 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Things to bring to a rave X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Daniel Millstein wrote: > A good jar of Vicks is a necessity too!!! > > Daniel E > > On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, xlarge wrote: > > > > > >a case of water bottles > > >a potassium pill (in case someone took too > > >much A) > > >extra clothes > > >toys > > >a large smile > > >food > > >blanket > > > > > >pEace and out > > > > you forgot blow pops (blue razz of course) > > don't forget pen and paper, to write down every goddam person's email (don't laugh...it happens all the time!) also to write down hot chicks' numbers (or hot guys as the case may be). ++ e d From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 01:30:26 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA10655; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:29:58 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA08251; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:27:48 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:27:48 -0600 Message-Id: <199411090126.TAA08111@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: marmantr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mark T Armantrout To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Xanadau flyer X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Go flyers. Didja notice that there are three buildings on the Xanadu flyer, and there were three buildings at the event??! There's also a shiny ball on the flyer, and that was tigger's bumpity ball! A good flyer just brings it all together. caThead (meow|8) Mark Armantrout (Cathead) AJUST 8 PHISH water, light, marmantr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu or marmantr@indiana.edu language, http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/marmantr.html sound, magic! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 01:37:51 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA10824; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:37:35 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA09593; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:35:50 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:35:50 -0600 Message-Id: <9411090135.AA07180@frith> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: telford1@egr.msu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: telford1@egr.msu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: MSU raves? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO To all ya' funky Spartan ravers- What's going on in EL this weekend? There was a good one on Beal last week. This Friday? Thanx.me back @telford1.msu.edu or telford1 here's johnnny! <:)= telford1@studentt.msu.edu telford1@egr.msu.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 01:45:28 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA11001; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:44:47 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA10775; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:42:46 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:42:46 -0600 Message-Id: <9411090200.AA03704@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jong@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jon Gilkison To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: niftee/general bitching X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >Better make it good. The shit that's been passed off as flyers >lately in >Minneapolis is, frankly, an insult to the scene and the people. >(i.e. >SNAP, Rhythm, Vandal, any Usual event). One might say the creativity >of >the flyer often ends up reflecting the creativity of the event. I'm >not >talking mutiple colors, just asking for a little inspiration. >Sorry for the bandwidth, just needed to vent... True, true - but in the case of vandal; he was tight with a deadline and didn't have muchof a choice. I was going to do that flyer but couldn't cuz I was on my way to Xanadu. SNAP's preflyers were OK for what they were, but I don't think they had the money to do them up right. Flyers run anywhere from 250 to 1000+ bux to produce and print. Most of that is in printing alone. There does seem to be a correlation between parties and the state of their flyers, but I can remember some MORE events that had rad flyers but sucked dick bad. earache From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 01:50:31 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA11181; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:50:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA11676; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:47:34 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:47:34 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jjbst29+@pitt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Joel J Bevacqua To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: All Natural@Fri. 11-25-94 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO PITTSBURGH November 25, 1994 A L L N A T U R A L Where Society fades into a laughable memory... Shocking but true!!! You'll have to see it to believe it!!! 9pm-9am Live & Direct Line-up All Killer No Filler: DJ's Steve Loria (Los Angeles, Stress Records West Coast Progressive Acid House) Metatron (London, UK, Praxis Records Head Honcho) Scott Forbush (Cleveland, Wanker Records, The Hardest Fastest Man in the Biz) Deadly Buda (Pittsburgh, King of the Nightime World) Terry Kicks (Pittsburgh, Thumping House God of Thunder) 1.8.7 (Pittsburgh, The Livest PA in the U.S. of A) Spike (Pittsburgh, The Upstage Mon. and Sat. nights) Buda (Pittsburgh, Bringer of Flowers and Pulsating Joy) Visonary Visuals by Eyegasm Panoramic Projections by Zamecnik Second Room Ambient and Poetry, Mellow grooves and Trancey rhythms from Pittsburgh's freshest new DJ's! Pittsburgh's Premier of The KickSquad Revolving SoundSystem "Warning: This is no joke. We highly recommend hearing protection. Ignore this recommendation at your own risk & responsibility." The David Apocalypse Show (The Circus Ringleader Returns) Everyone is welcome but this event has a limit of 850 tickets. Get 'em early This event WILL reach capacity. Maps & Location information availble ONLY on the day of the evnt at Ticket Locations or call the Infoline @: 412.734.8994 Tickets availible in: @ phone Pittsburgh - Oakland Teleropa 412.621.2144 Collectors 12" 412.682.4033 Azis 412.683.8593 - Southside Slacker 412.381.3911 Revolutions 412.488.6227 - North Hills Record Rama 412.367.7330 - Forest Hills Future Sounds 412.351.3221 Cleveland - Deep Records 216.382.3101 Columbus - World Record 614.297.7900 Harrisburg - Checkered Past 717.561.8898 Lancaster - Checkered Past 717.299.6220 Baltimore - Modern Music 410.523.1882 Washington, DC - Music Now 202.338.5638 Note:All Natural is also the name of the new production company I'm involved with, so, this will be a bit different (i.e. More people at the organizational level) than the Millennium events and curious likenesses thereof. Fine, you say, but what are the details that I, Joe or Jo-Ann Raver, really care about? Thus, Let the Brain-washing begin. 1.Lot's and Lot's of Cabinets, Controlled by the sound engineer., who can throw the sound all over the room. It hits you on the left, caresses you on the right, bulldozes from the front, scoops you up in the back, then spirals all over the place. 2. Once again we unleash the dopest light show god on Western Pa- Eyegasm- who proposed to have the lighting tightly synced up to the sound chasing. rather than just your front-on lights, these are all around you hitting from all angles. 3.The Line-up is straight-ahead intensity, no rookies or fluff, (though I'm known to like both). From the moment we start, until the end, there will be not one dull moment. Start with house, picking up to trance, escalating experimental bpms, reaching the 250 bpm at prime peak point, then, gradually getting more comfortable, reversing the build-up. The idea= Once together and unified, we then, quite like the colony on Battlestar Galactica, take you all to the outer limits of experience, bending twisting pounding stretching your fragile eggshell mind into something i don't think i want to describe. Then, once resolved, bringing you back together for next month's journey-A kinder, more understanding ever-changing, delighted in new experiences group of people, gosh Starbuck, I think I'm about to cry, please, don't let them see me like this. -buda From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 01:51:49 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA11220; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:51:39 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA12001; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:49:10 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 19:49:10 -0600 Message-Id: <199411090147.TAA11780@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: marmantr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mark T Armantrout To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 1step to Utopia pre and post X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey folks, Cathead here welcoming and inviting you all up/down/over to Bloomington for the first ever step to Utopia! The pre-party and after-hours will be held at my house, about six blocks up the street from the site. Directions to Bloomington have been posted; these directions end up in Walnut street, which is where I live. 1320 S Walnut, in fact. You'll probably be coming down Walnut from the north: my house is on the right/west side, a couple blocks _before_ you get to Hillside. There's no parking at my place exactly; try parking across the street, on Wilson. I should have a colored light on the enclosed porch. Please don't park in my driveway, it's hard to get into and out of and we share it with the neighbors. If you notice this sort of thing, there is a house with a rainbow flag in the front porch two houses south of us. There is plenty of place to sleep, so rejoice! You can bring your stuff to my place and bring it on in Friday eve, and then sleep on it Saturday morning when you're tired. The site should be close enough to my house that we can all walk between the two, so you should be able to park just once. You can bring any gifts for us hosts that you want (meow!|8), the only thing I request you bring is firewood, 'cause we have a fireplace in the main dance room, but we don't have any wood! Trance out to fire when you're too tired to dance. Water, light, language, sound, magic!: all five are promised to be here! Our phone # is (812) 332-5708. If you're coming, I'd love to hear from you! it's not necessary 'though. I do hope a bunch of you come experience Utopia with us! And bring tapes, and we'll trade or loan. If you don't come, have a good weekend! Say hi to everyone up in iowa for me. have a good one! thanks for everything. see ya, mark (cat|8) (if you're really interested in utopia, ask me about my time at the summer school for designing society) Mark Armantrout (Cathead) AJUST 8 PHISH water, light, marmantr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu or marmantr@indiana.edu language, http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/marmantr.html sound, magic! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 02:16:09 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA11730; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:15:40 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA16435; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:13:55 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:13:55 -0600 Message-Id: <9411090213.AA27540@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aw975794@oak.cats.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Amy Waldowski To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: nice to meet you! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO HELLO TO EVERYONE! I AM NEW HERE, SO BARE WITH ME. MY FRIEND, BECCA (LITTLE ELF), GOT ME HOOKED ON THIS AND ITS LURVE AT FIRST SIGHT. I AM HERE TO BEG ANY ONE OUT THERE IN THE VICINITY OF OHIO UNIVERSITY (ATHENS, OH) WHO IS NOT GOING TO UTOPIA BUT EVOLUTION INSTEAD IF THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF GIVING ME A RIDE? I WOULD SO APPRECIATE IT! LET ME KNOW.....A HUG TO EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOUS! :):):):):):):):):):):):) -AMY aw975794@oak.cats.ohiou.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 02:20:11 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA11831; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:19:36 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA17118; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:17:55 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:17:55 -0600 Message-Id: <199411090214.VAA11670@great-miami.iac.net> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: quest@iac.net Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: quest@iac.net (Johnny Quest) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Flyers.. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > Who says you need magical creations on paper to beenfit the scene? Personally > I think there are better things to spend money on to increase the vibe at our > raves than measly flyers. True I love trippy flyers and will try to get a hold > of as many as I can, but I see no point. If it gets the message across, use it. > -mirror Well, I dunno.. I think flyers are of major importance and should be done as well as possible. They reflect the party (in most cases - not all) and are not just to advertise the party. Flyers after a party bring back memorys and are like baseball cards in the respect that people collect and trade them (though mnost aren't worth anything.. 8^) ) But still, I really like nice looking flyers. Laters -- |O|=======================================================================|O| |O| / /\ is quest@iac.net President of : /|_|_ (r) |O| |O| \/ohnny \\uest /-|R|WORX |O| |O| --------------- 513.524.3403 | | |O| |O| -- finger quest@iac.net for info! -- (_)NLIMITED |O| |O|=======================================================================|O| From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 02:51:47 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA12563; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:51:18 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA22037; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:49:18 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 20:49:18 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: >>fiasco<< detroit-11.26.94 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO _____ / ___| / / _ | | |_| | | | |____ _ ____ ________ _____ _______ | ____| | | |___ \ / _______| / ____| / ___ \ | | | | \ \ / / / / / / \ \ | | | | ___/ \ \ \_______ | | | | | | | | | | / ___ | \ _____ \ | | | | | | | | | | / / | | \ \ | | | | | | | | | | | |__/ | ______/ / \ \____ \ \___/ / |__| |_| \____/|_| |_______ / \_____| \_______/ ______________________________________________________________________ |______________________________________________________________________ a p o o r b o y production >>detroit 11.26.94<< the sound of the detroit underground: mike huckaby (recordtime's hard house alchemist) claude young (detroit's darkest house/traxx back from the outback) ~sines (crispy cymbals from columbus oh) heckle & jeckle (bileebob and paris--tag team breaks/traxx champions) jazz/slo-breaks room with spinnin' sorcerer brian gillespie live digital/analogue integration by columbus' chillmasters: A.mbience R.ecovery S.ystem 6540 Hasting info 810.901.5052 ________________________________________________________________________ note from e d: don't expect this party to be more than $7...poorboy productions is about vibe and music, not money. these guys (dat, brian, paris, others) have thrown some of the best shit i've ever been to...they are the true hardcore of the detroit scene. if you want a _real_ taste of it, come... ++ e d w a r d l u n a From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 03:43:11 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA13805; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:42:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA28822; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:35:35 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:35:35 -0600 Message-Id: <199411090335.AA03761@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: gmk40719@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Gregory M. Kus" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: SEX X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ok... screw the drug talk.............Why not talk about something much more fun: SEX or maybe talk about an awesome precursor which makes SEX even better: Love between two people.... Unity in Body, Mind, and in SPIRIT so what do ya all think about sex? anyone out there do it?? well.. I guess this isn't alt.sex.. but I don't think it is alt.drugs either Sex at raves?? is this relevant?? does it take place?? Hugs are a form of sex too I suppose.... :) just throwing a wrench in the topics.----:) peace- Greg -- -Kus ~Living in the Circle of Illumination Between Night and Day~ _____________________________________________________________________________ Gregory M. Kus University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign gmk40719@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu CCSO Short Course Instructor NeXT Mail: gmk40719@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu gmk40719@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 04:04:48 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA14312; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 23:04:33 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA02561; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:00:10 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:00:10 -0600 Message-Id: <08NOV94.24822870.0020.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MKAMMERE@NMU.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Kammerer, Mark J" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re[2]: Drugs, etc. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >In a technologically-induced stupor, blount gretchen e flatly stated... >::> >::that is true, but althoough this is rather insignificant, the movie >::jacob's ladder was all about the use of lsd on the soldiers in the >::vietnam war...it was thought to make them killing machines... >::okay, so this is just a movie, but if i remember correctly...at the end >::of the movie they stated that the gov't really did dispense lsd to the >::soldiers for exactly this purpose... > >It wasn't lsd, it was a completely different psychoactive drug, I don't >recall the chemical name. > > >Lasciate ogni autonomia, steven j. white It was very loosely based on ketamine (special k) which when given at 6x the psychadelic dose has the effect of a general anaesthetic. Anyway, ketamine tends to bring on out of body experiences and was John Lilly's drug of choice in his sensory deprivation tank experiments. In Vietnam they found that the soldiers were tripping out when they were given the drug and due to the setting of their trips it lead to violent behavior. mark j From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 04:25:36 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA14742; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 23:25:23 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA05626; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:21:23 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:21:23 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ93T8PN4I8Y6SOZ@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CONVERY@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Niall F Convery To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Ketamine X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Mark j said that Jacob's Ladder was losely based on the experiments with Ketamine in Vietnam (I think they used it as, among other things, a field anaesthetic..). Interestingly enough, though, the drug has, to my knowledge, been used quite a lot lately in the UK as an additive to Ecstasy producing a very trancey effect......perhaps the circle that started off this line of discussion really is complete, the government creates it, then tries to eradicate its use........... Just My little bit of background info.......:) Peace & Joy, Niall :) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 04:31:40 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA14902; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 23:31:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA06794; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:28:25 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:28:25 -0600 Message-Id: <9411082311483747989@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: DJ Sampler X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Someone asked me at Mistic Eyes to get info about a sampler. I carry two samplers : Gemini DS-8 : 8 second digital sampler 2 input (1 line 1 phono), pitch control, pan control, cue section, Robot play function. Retail : $245.00, Maxximum price : $200.60 Gemini DS 824 : Same as DS-8 + 24 second digital sampler (four 3 sec. bank + one 12 sec bank), battery back up. Retails : $315.00, Maxximum price : $258.40 If you need more info about Gemini products (mixers, lights, accessories, speaker) e-mail me. I hope I answered that person's question. Peace and out. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 04:36:22 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA14963; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 23:36:12 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA07388; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:33:04 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:33:04 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: firk0001@gold.tc.umn.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Richard D Firkins To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: niftee/flyers X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I'm not asking for full color glossy spendy print jobs (cool as they may be), just a little bit more creativity and thought in (capital D) Design. You can do a pretty rad flyer in just black on white cardstock. For example, for a party a couple years ago we xeroxed the flyers onto clear transparencies. It cost a bit more than cardstock, but was still a lot cheaper than color printing. People went nuts over them when we were handing them out. (...too bad the party kinda sucked) Anyway, I don't wanna see any transparent flyers out there now... I'm glad to see more promoters taking a shot at it; I hope someone can infuse some energy into the local scene. Best of luck to all... pike. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 04:58:31 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA15276; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 23:58:21 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA10385; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:54:21 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 22:54:21 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ92PATXOIQPH9L3@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: KEOKEE (Nov. 18th, 1994) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Sorry this is posted so late, but... Fun House Productions, and Elmo bring you: (that is, if I get him back this weekend in Iowa) _-KEOKEE-_ With the talents of: Spore EBP Ramylson Jeffery Dee And special guests: Synergy Jannick More to be announced... Happening in the Milwaukee area, this party takes place with the spirit of fun and happiness in mind. Directions will be posted a few days before the event. If you have any questions, email 'butzke@uwplatt.edu', or call 608.342.3196 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 06:31:40 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA16955; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 01:31:31 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA20988; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:30:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:30:06 -0600 Message-Id: <9411090629.AA22422@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: raveman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Craig Garret Johnson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Upside Down Review. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO well i must say that i had a most splendid time at Upside Down, the sound was good... the dj's kicked! the lights... lots of 'em, not used to their proper potential (as usual). the film loop guy did a great job... i enjoyed the "films" as opposed to just a 10 second loop for hours on end. i understand that money was lost... this is a shame, lots of outta town dj's though... coulda/shouda had less of the big names and more of the upcoming local/net dj's. i understand that Tapes will be sold to try and re-build Kimms empire. suppurt her... she deserves it. good party. > *The raddest thing I saw: Todd Peopping sitting against the side wall > by the Delerium booth, with his hood up, glasses on, sucking > away on one of Ellen's ring pops. Damn.. I wish I had my > camera. :> hey... i understand that someone actually had a camera at that plattevile thind and Todd did some weird "Martin Short" imitation.. are there pictures of this anywhere? i am sure he would like to see it. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 06:42:06 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA17095; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 01:41:59 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA21719; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:40:20 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:40:20 -0600 Message-Id: <9411090640.AA23133@csd4.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: raveman@csd4.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Craig Garret Johnson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: PUSH X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO so i have not seen mention of this event here on this forum. P U S H saturday Nov 12, 1994 7 pm - 2:30 am (with afterhours gaurnteed) <-- spelling $7.00 in Milwaukee all proceeds to benefit WMSE fm... home of the Saturday Night beat generation dj's are: acid boy todd p (gnippeop ddot/!nnovative/milw) toby tyler (milw/revolutions) Mr Bill (milw) jj jellybean & mc blackeye (chicago) synergy (milw/quadrasonic/massive) YANU (milw/430 west records ... LIVE) steven kaye (milw/wmse 91.7 fm) Destro (rockford) plus film loops by E-FEX/ huge wall of sound (same sound as romper room!) waterworks... intelligent lighting.. and other goodies. tickets are available at: Revolutions 524 N Water st, Milw WI *********** this should be a GREAT... CHEAP... BUST FREE EVENT see you there. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 06:48:51 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA17193; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 01:48:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA22438; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:47:35 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:47:35 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: pixel@crl.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "James P. Cooper" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Drugs X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > ironic that so many people do drugs in this scene, but are so loathe to > talk about them. Is it some big secret that I'm missing? no, but I would side with french e, that there really isn't much to talk about. everyone has their own feelings about it, and I find it best that each person in the scene do their own thing. do whatever you like. I'd rather discuss Djs, music, etc: stuff that isn't as *personal* as drug intake. sure, drugs are a major part of the scene, but I think that it's not really something that has much use of being discussed in a "general" sense. some people like 'em (like you), others don't (like me) and that's just fine! :) pixel From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 08:11:06 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA17972; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 03:11:00 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA26092; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 02:09:51 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 02:09:51 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Re[2]: Drugs, etc. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Kammerer, Mark J wrote: > >In a technologically-induced stupor, blount gretchen e flatly stated... > >::> > >::that is true, but althoough this is rather insignificant, the movie > >::jacob's ladder was all about the use of lsd on the soldiers in the > >::vietnam war...it was thought to make them killing machines... > >::okay, so this is just a movie, but if i remember correctly...at the end > >::of the movie they stated that the gov't really did dispense lsd to the > >::soldiers for exactly this purpose... > > > >It wasn't lsd, it was a completely different psychoactive drug, I don't > >recall the chemical name. > > > > > >Lasciate ogni autonomia, steven j. white > > It was very loosely based on ketamine (special k) which when given at 6x > the psychadelic dose has the effect of a general anaesthetic. Anyway, > ketamine tends to bring on out of body experiences and was John Lilly's > drug of choice in his sensory deprivation tank experiments. In Vietnam > they found that the soldiers were tripping out when they were given the > drug and due to the setting of their trips it lead to violent behavior. > > mark j > wait...special k...?????? thats big cat/tiger tranquilizer...i cant picture that having these kind of effects...granted, i never experienced the drug for myself... but if you recall, it was big during winter92-93...most of my friends got into it...and they described it as a long nitrous-like feeling...hmmm...so maybe i can see that...im turning into a big contradiction now...ill just shut up. i apologize for my lack of a clue...i have slept only 4 1/2 hrs since sat. night... gretchen e blount From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 11:09:48 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id GAA19554; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 06:09:42 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id FAA00258; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 05:08:24 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 05:08:24 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJ9I24G8WY8Y74GU@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CONVERY@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Niall F Convery To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Partee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Just to throw in my $0.02 about the party Tigger and me are throwing this Sturday, Nov.12th.... We have manifold net DJ's for your listening pleasure, including Sho, Ramylson, Spore, Me & Tigger tag-teaming live for the first time ever, Pixel, Misfit & Jay, and the all new Jen & Jong tag-team...... I wont categorise what anyone spins, I'll just say "It's aaawwwwwlll good"(tm)........and also, if you have records and show up, we can probably fit you in..... Yes folks, this is the netraver party you've been waiting for and, with any luck, we'll see you all there.......and if you need directions or crash space (neither are any problem) we'll set you up.......directions will be posted as soon as we figure them out....... What more can you ask for, good DJ's, friendly people, net people, FREE admission (Yes, FREE!!!), Tigger's strange ball thingy, crash space and free cable in every lounge. You've got to go haven't you? See you there...... Contact us at CAMMARAT or CONVERY@AC.GRIN.EDU, for details, complaints or moderately good indian food recipes..... Love, Peace & Joy, Niall P.S. If I forgot any DJ's I'm sorry...its 5am and I need sleep =) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 12:24:54 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id HAA20373; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:24:46 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id GAA02374; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 06:23:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 06:23:45 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: lollipop@m-net.arbornet.org Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jennifer Lynn Hill To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Xanadau flyer X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I just want to put my bit in on flyers... I moved to the midwest from the west..(Albuquerque NM) I have traveled athrough California (been to two really big raves there) and all over the midwest....I beg to differ, the flyers DO make the party, It is the first Idea people get in their heads about a party, it tells them if the promoters are serious about their party and if they have their act together.... It's like pretty pictures, They attract people, haven't you ever read a book cuz the cover looked really cool???? think about it!!! *Smmmmmooooooooccccchhhhhhiiiiieeeeeeessss!!!* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jen Dj Lollipop-Demongirl-Pancake Goddess "Where there is an open mind, there will always be a frontier" -Charles Kettering ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 12:29:30 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id HAA20428; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 07:29:23 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id GAA02572; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 06:28:26 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 06:28:26 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: lollipop@m-net.arbornet.org Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jennifer Lynn Hill To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SEX X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO WoooooHoooooo!!! Sex....I could talk about it for hours!!! I think it would be great to get people's opinions on sex here on the list!! *giggle* What about affection between friends?? What about multiple hugs and kisses and cuddling?????? What about LOVE?????? *weeeeeeeeeeeeee* Love makes the World worth being in! Love Makes me all squishy and mushy and happy and giggle and I GLOW!!! woooohoooo!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jen Dj Lollipop-Demongirl-Pancake Goddess "Where there is an open mind, there will always be a frontier" -Charles Kettering ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 14:09:09 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id JAA21991; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:09:01 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA09589; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:06:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:06:41 -0600 Message-Id: <09NOV94.09815008.0100.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MKAMMERE@NMU.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Kammerer, Mark J" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [Timothy] Leary ... his threat t o the security of the British empire X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Okay friends, here's an update on the Tim Leri, Zippy internet invasion of England to protest the new anti-rave legislation. Good stuff. Hope we at mw-raves can lend a hand. Does anyone know any good addresses? mark josef brain farm productions >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:27:36 -0500 >From: Keith Bostic >To: /dev/null@python.bostic.com >Subject: [Timothy] Leary ... his threat to the security of the British empire > >Forwarded-by: Wendell Craig Baker >Forwarded-by: David_Dei@cyberden.com (David Dei) > >FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE >MEDIA LIASON: (415) 861 8178 >RADIO & TELEVISION: (415) 752 7702 INFOLINE: (415) 281 KNOW > >On Saturday, November 5th 1994, Dr. Timothy Leary sent the following >e-mail message to president Bill Clinton at president@whitehouse.com >MR PRESIDENT > >YESTERDAY THE BRITISH GOVERNMENT, AN ALLY OF THE UNITED STATES, DEPRIVED ITS >CITIZENS OF THE RIGHT TO ASSEMBLE IN GROUPS OF MORE THAN TEN PEOPLE ON >COMMON GROUND. THIS HIGH HANDED MEASURE THREATENS SIMILAR RIGHTS HERE IN THE >USA AND MAY PROHIBIT INTERNET GATHERINGS IN THE PUBLIC LAND OF CYBERIA. > >IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY PUBLIC RESPONSE FROM YOU TO THIS DESTRUCTION OF BASIC >HUMAN RIGHTS IN THE WEST, WE THE FREEDOM LOVING CITIZENS OF THE INTERNET >HEREBY DECLARE OUR WILLINGNESS TO PREVENT THIS HEINOUS GLOBAL DEGENERATION >AND IMPLORE YOU TO DO ALL IN YOUR POWER TO HELP ERASE THIS SHAMEFUL BILL AND >ITS INTENTION FROM PLANETARY CONSCIOUSNESS. > >Signed: Dr Timothy Leary, >SAN FRANCISCO 11/5/94 > >PRESS RELEASE FROM THE ZIPPY INVASION TASK FORCE >Silicon Valley NOV 5: Today saw the launch of the First "Intercontinental >Ballistic Meme" (ICBM) and the Virtual Invasion of Great Britain. Speaking >aboard "US Yellow Cyberine" at club Megatripolis, "CyberCommodore" Timothy >Leary, had this to say: I have waited all my life for this moment. This is >not just an INVASION its an INTER-VASION Speaking before a jubilant audience >packed into the venue at the181 Club in San Francisco, Leary defined the aims >of the Cyber Task Force: to protect democracy and HALT the British Criminal >Justice Bill". > >The Invasion was officially launched by popular cyberhero, Leary, (banned >>from Britain 25 years ago because of his threat to the security of the >British empire.), with the above message to President Clinton and with full >support of guerrilla CyberMailing attacks and partial landings around the >Cyber Coast of the British Islands by the "Hacker Light Infantry". The group >aims to bring pressure to bear upon cyber-Britain with the multiplicity of >their protests. We are calling upon all cyber citizens outside of the United >Kingdom to email as many British Governmental addresses as possible with this >protest. > >THIS IS THE FIRST EXERCISE OF A GLOBAL VOTE. In the age of the information >superhighway, all attempts to usurp freedom and destroy democracy will be met >with a staggering world wide personal response. Everyone with an e-mail >address can participate and launch this Info ICBM to impact history. > >There was unanimous agreement amongst participants at the launch that the >Internet Invasion represented a massive leap forward into Direct Democracy. I >dedicate this event to Marshal McLuhan - the world is now truly a global >village said Leary. Never before have citizens in one country had the ability >to vote on issues in another. Borders and geographical boundaries are now >truly obsolete. > >We are raising a psychic cyberarmy of zippy moles and warrior hackers to >CyberInvade Britain from the West Coast, the least expected launchpad, but >where Internet connections are the densest in the world. added Fraser Clark, >Zippy Philosopher. The downloading of e-mail from the west coast and the rest >of the world is likely to saturate the British system, precipitating a major >evolution of normal consciousness and thinking patterns in the UK. Imagine a >billion bits of data rebuilding from a molecular level the psychic and social >body of the British Culture > >We want to establish, before the eyes of the world, the basic human right to >dance barefoot on the grass or in the forest, whenever and wherever the whim >overtakes us. Its as simple as that He continued. The issue is abundantly >clear to the least developed among us. Either you need a license to dance or >you dont. There are no two ways about it. Think for Yourself and Question >Authority shall be the whole of the Law. said Clark > >MEDIA LIASON: (415) 861 8178 RADIO & TELEVISION: (415) 752 7702 INFOLINE: >(415) 281 KNOW >DISTRIBUTED ON BEHALF OF THE ZIPPY INVASION TASK FORCE >- -ends- > >- - via BulkRate 2.0 > >- -- >The CyberDen - Worldwide Alternative Music & Entertainment Network >415-472-5527 - Labels, Zines, Multimedia, Bands, Artists, Cultures >cyberden.com - Telnet and anonymous FTP -> Info: info@cyberden.com > > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 14:34:21 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id JAA22420; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:34:10 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA12488; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:32:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:32:41 -0600 Message-Id: <09NOV94.10285522.0100.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MKAMMERE@NMU.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Kammerer, Mark J" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re[2]: Upside Down Review. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >well i must say that i had a most splendid time at Upside Down, the sound >was good... the dj's kicked! the lights... lots of 'em, not used to their >proper potential (as usual). Another excellent Unique event-no pigs, great space, ice water, the dj's spun their hearts out. I thought Woody was exceptionally groovy--I think he's a space alien. Very cool. >the film loop guy did a great job... i enjoyed the "films" as opposed to >just a 10 second loop for hours on end. That was me--the brain farm--i'm cheap, i'm available... >i understand that money was lost... this is a shame... Yes, a quality event like this is expensive--but now that Unique has built such an excellent reputation with two top notch events--Rapture and now Upside Down--I'm sure they'll get our support in the future and hopefully make some of that back... >i understand that Tapes will be sold to try and re-build Kimms empire. >suppurt her... she deserves it. good party. Where do I sign up? How do I get one? All in all a really groovy event. Looking forward to the next one. Great to see a promoter that can deliver. mark josef brain farm productions 'a corporation by the peeple for the peeple' (800)484.7959.7009 (906)225.1983 mkammere@nmu.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 14:34:33 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id JAA22427; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:34:23 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA12592; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:33:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:33:06 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: stu@infochi.infochi.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stu Shea To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SEX X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Jennifer Lynn Hill wrote: > WoooooHoooooo!!! > Sex....I could talk about it for hours!!! > I think it would be great to get people's opinions on sex here on the list!! sex on the list? this might give new meaning to the term "bandwidth"... > What about affection between friends?? > What about multiple hugs and kisses and cuddling?????? > What about LOVE?????? > *weeeeeeeeeeeeee* One of the most amazing things to me about this scene is simply how nice people generally are to each other at parties...especially net-ravers... > Love makes the World worth being in! Love Makes me all squishy and mushy > and happy and giggle and I GLOW!!! yeah, I sort of feel this way too. nice people -- nice list -- nice topic. ..and quite illegal!!! Yippeeeeee!!! Stu 8) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 14:40:01 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id JAA22496; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:39:40 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA13298; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:37:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 08:37:56 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: marmoset@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dave Walker To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Flyers (was Re: niftee/general bitching) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I _do_ flyers, and even I happen to think that they are one of the most *unimportant* elements of a party. Repeat this like a mantra: "put the money into the sound, put the money into the sound..." Ever heard the old saw about perfume and bottles? The more elaborate the bottle, the worse the perfume... Obviously this isn't true for all (or maybe even most) parties and flyers, but it _is_ something to think about. Remember the _Toys_ flyer, anyone? :( ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@msen.com absolutely sweat, marie Dave Walker From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 15:18:23 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA23364; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 10:18:15 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA18475; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:09:09 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:09:09 -0600 Message-Id: <09NOV94.10949273.0100.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MKAMMERE@NMU.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Kammerer, Mark J" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Ketamine X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >Mark j said that Jacob's Ladder was losely based on the experiments with >Ketamine in Vietnam (I think they used it as, among other things, a field >anaesthetic..). Interestingly enough, though, the drug has, to my knowledge, >been used quite a lot lately in the UK as an additive to Ecstasy producing a >very trancey effect......perhaps the circle that started off this line of >discussion really is complete, the government creates it, then tries to >eradicate its use........... > >Just My little bit of background info.......:) > > Peace & Joy, > Niall :) I think the effects of special K were discovered simeultaneously by alot of people. The government and the CIA were just exceptionally deviant with their aims. We see it as a door to different realms of consciousness. They see it as a way to fuck with people. John Lilly was using it at the same time in his sensory depravation tank experiments and that was what the movie Altered States was loosely based upon (but please don't draw any conclusions from the movie because it was typical hollywood sensationalism). Dr. Lilly had experiences like this--"I have left my body floating in a tank on planet earth. This is a very strange and alien environment...This is very strange. This planet is similar to earth but the colors are different. There is vegetation here but it's a peculiar purple color. There is a sun but it has a violet hue to it, not the familiar hue of earth's sun. I am in a beautiful meadow with distant, extremely high mountains. Across the meadow I see creatures approaching. They stand on their hind legs as if human. They are brilliant white and seem to be emitting light. Two of them come near. They are too brilliant for my present vision. They seem to be transmitting thoughts and ideas directly to me...First Being: 'We welcome you once again in a form which you have created. Your choice to come here, we applaud.'" and so on and so forth. Very cool and trippy. I have personnally never tried it. The discrepancy between the evil effects of K in Jacob's Ladder and the trancey effects experienced at raves is that a bunch of CIA deviants in white coats are going to make you have a bad experience by forcing their corrupt vibe on your sensitive self while a safe friendly rave atmosphere will imbue you with positive vibes and the drug will magnify that. Also, I think that K isn't even really illegal because it is classified as an anaesthetic. peace, mark j From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 15:25:03 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA23453; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 10:24:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA21096; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:22:38 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:22:38 -0600 Message-Id: <199411091517.PAA02546@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: [Timothy] Leary ... his threat t o the security of the British empire X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >Okay friends, here's an update on the Tim Leri, Zippy internet >invasion of England to protest the new anti-rave legislation. >Good stuff. Hope we at mw-raves can lend a hand. Does anyone >know any good addresses? > >mark josef >brain farm productions >> [ all kinds of stuff deleted ] This whole thing smacks of propaganda and back-slapping for Leary and his clan. I don't think that any amount of electronic badgering by private citizens of the US is going to do squat... except make us look like bigger fools than we already are. This drive seems more full of cute catchphrases and idealism than any actual ideas. No solutions have been proposed; no questions answered. It doesn't even look like Leary cares that much whether people in Britian were having their rights' violated -- moreso that his precious net friends (never mind the "normal" people) might be affected ("...and may prohibit internet gatherings in the public land of cyberia."). Just "we don't like this and we're going to annoy the hell out of you." If the government wants to bend us over and give us the ole' one-two, they will. I doubt any amount of e-mail is going to make a difference. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 15:48:22 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA23902; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 10:48:12 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA25184; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:46:01 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 09:46:01 -0600 Message-Id: <09NOV94.11597469.0062.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MKAMMERE@NMU.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Kammerer, Mark J" To: Multiple recipients of list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >If the government wants to bend us over and give us the ole' one-two, they >will. I doubt any amount of e-mail is going to make a difference. > >-- >Craig L. Stodolenak >archon@acid.com > Craig, are you feeling cynical today? Leary is usually right at the forefront of any movement and therefore takes alot of this kind of flak. The political power of the net is just being explored and there is no doubt that there is alot of power here. We don't know what is going to happen with this thing. Sure there are alot of catch phrases--Leary has a genius for that. That's why he went to prison for saying tune in. I believe information is power. This thing will insure that everyone in the world will be watching as England strips its people of their rights. At least it is something. Not ready to bend over just yet, mark josef From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 17:09:12 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA25659; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:08:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA14071; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:05:47 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:05:47 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jayvee@cy.math.uic.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jay Gril To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: [Timothy] Leary ... his threat t o the security of the British empire X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Craig L. Stodolenak wrote: > >> [ all kinds of stuff deleted ] > > This whole thing smacks of propaganda and back-slapping for Leary and his > clan. I don't think that any amount of electronic badgering by private > citizens of the US is going to do squat... except make us look like bigger > fools than we already are. Ok then for you all the people of Amnesty international are fools also right? PLZ!!!!! > > This drive seems more full of cute catchphrases and idealism than any > actual ideas. No solutions have been proposed; no questions answered. It > doesn't even look like Leary cares that much whether people in Britian were > having their rights' violated -- moreso that his precious net friends > (never mind the "normal" people) might be affected ("...and may prohibit > internet gatherings in the public land of cyberia."). Just "we don't like > this and we're going to annoy the hell out of you." I agree with you that sometimes people protest and they dont propose a solution, but spreading the information is a good start. > If the government wants to bend us over and give us the ole' one-two, they > will. I doubt any amount of e-mail is going to make a difference. Read Clipper Chip. Again, you have any idea what Amnesty International is??? Guess not. +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | ______ __ __ ____ ____ | jayvee@cy.math.uic.edu | | / / _ \ \ /\/ /__\ __\ | U16080@uicvm.uic.edu | | _/ / _ \ / / ___\ ___\ | Jayvee@IRC | | \____\_\ /_/_/\__/_____/____/ | jayvee@Vrave | | | | +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | The fun fun fun of the Mid-west Autobahn | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 17:25:00 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA26081; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:24:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA18467; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:22:05 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:22:05 -0600 Message-Id: <199411091721.JAA15113@taz.hyperreal.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: abennett@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Bennett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: [Timothy] Leary ... his threat t o the security of the British empire X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Jay Gril said :: > > If the government wants to bend us over and give us the ole' one-two, they > > will. I doubt any amount of e-mail is going to make a difference. > > Read Clipper Chip. I don't think the Clipper Chip didn't get implemented due to email. Certainly there was significant public protest, and a lot of discussion went on over the whole matter. I think the death knell for it was a paper written by an AT&T Bell Labs Research Scientist on how he broke the Clipper Chip, and how it could be turned around, and not even decrypted by the government who would have the keys to the algorithm. The paper is available on the net, in PostScript format. I've got the ftp address where you can get the paper at my apartment, but you'll need a PostScript printer to print it out. Email me for details. Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 17:38:06 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA26488; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:37:55 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA22452; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:34:13 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:34:13 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jayvee@cy.math.uic.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jay Gril To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: [Timothy] Leary ... his threat t o the security of the British empire X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Andrew Bennett wrote: > Jay Gril said :: > > > If the government wants to bend us over and give us the ole' one-two, they > > > will. I doubt any amount of e-mail is going to make a difference. > > > > Read Clipper Chip. > > > I don't think the Clipper Chip didn't get implemented due to email. > Certainly there was significant public protest, and a lot of discussion > went on over the whole matter. [snip] The email started the movement against the Clipper Chip, the email was the way of thousand of people sending emails to their congressmen to complain about it. I'm not discussing how the clipper was eliminated, but thanks to the emails we made a difference. +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | ______ __ __ ____ ____ | jayvee@cy.math.uic.edu | | / / _ \ \ /\/ /__\ __\ | U16080@uicvm.uic.edu | | _/ / _ \ / / ___\ ___\ | Jayvee@IRC | | \____\_\ /_/_/\__/_____/____/ | jayvee@Vrave | | | | +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | The fun fun fun of the Mid-west Autobahn | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 17:48:01 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA26797; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:47:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA25156; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:44:20 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:44:20 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: dacc@tigerden.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "D.A.C. Crowell" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: dan sucks X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 7 Nov 1994, InterLAB wrote: > to explain the last entry by us( ilab)- it would be cool to get to know more > net ravers that are gay. the truth is, however, that dan is soooo hungry for > it he could pee.this is a serious offer, but everyone should know how desperate > and vulnerable he is right now.all POSITIVE responses welcome! Well, I'm gay...and I'll even be at Family Affair in Cedar Rapids this Friday. I'll be just a _tad_ busy with my machines, though...got a live PA to do somewhere along about 2 AM or thereabouts...:) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\ "We have come to the edge of a world which D.A.C. Crowell |offers us the limits of the accessible, of the Audio Design and Programming |unpredictable; it must be possible for some- The Aerodyne Works |thing not of this world to find a way through, Champaign, IL, USA. |something that hitherto could not be found by dacc@tigerden.com |any radio station on this earth. Let us set <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>/ out to look for it!" --Karlheinz Stockhausen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 17:55:50 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA26982; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:55:37 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA26548; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:49:23 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 11:49:23 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: dacc@tigerden.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "D.A.C. Crowell" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: things to bring to a rave X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Tigger wrote: > (psst...whose comin' to Iowa this weekend? I am...although _my _ list of things to bring to a rave doesn't usually include the usual toys and such. It _does_ include several hundred pounds of electronic equipment for playing live PAs and such, however, all of which I'll have w/ me for the previous evening's fun in Cedar Rapids. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\ "We have come to the edge of a world which D.A.C. Crowell |offers us the limits of the accessible, of the Audio Design and Programming |unpredictable; it must be possible for some- The Aerodyne Works |thing not of this world to find a way through, Champaign, IL, USA. |something that hitherto could not be found by dacc@tigerden.com |any radio station on this earth. Let us set <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>/ out to look for it!" --Karlheinz Stockhausen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 18:50:19 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA28321; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:50:07 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA08701; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:42:28 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 12:42:28 -0600 Message-Id: <199411091841.AA21549@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: gmk40719@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Gregory M. Kus" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SEX X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hh yes... Love.. Well here is something for everyone on here to think about: Falling in Love vs being in Love.. I think a lot of people when they fall in love are HOT on Fire full of Passion and sort of tripping on Cloud 9 or 10 oor 99 maybe 69 but after a period of time, that passion sort of becomes something more real.. LOVE..but to a lot of people, they may just feel like the Passion is gone.. that "love" is gone.. True Love isn't always about this super high feeling that you feel during the first several months of a relatioNship although it is a major High.. it can be hard to keep a level head I think.. I think that during the first couple months of a relationship, you can do some pretty dumb things-- I think I got to the point like--I don't need anyone else---so I practically destroyed a bunch of friendships--and I got paranoid thinking that my friends were out to desrttroy my relationship with my girlfriend and I...so I dissed them sort of.. and then a couple of months later, I realized what an asshole I was and decided to make ammends.. which was difficult.... but anyway.. real life hit me I thnik.. just some suggestions to ya'll...I don't usually say Ya'll but it seemed appropriate?? But sex: I don;t think it is for the weak minded--No I'm kidding.. it's not like triupping or something.. but I believe that sexual relations between two people is very very SPIRITUAL as well as physical (obviously) and emotional I think you do have to be emotionally ready as well as spiritually ready.. and that may be a personal decision.. not really synonymous with everyone.. but you do have to evaluate your life and your reasons/feelings about sex. I think it is really awesome between two people who are in Love...and that can be an awesome precursor in a sexual relationship. But... I have a question for people here.. do you think that sexual relations can get in the way of a relationship? or cause problems?? Besides the risks of STD's et all.. I mean the emotional side of things...? well just wondering and just a change of topics.:) Greg -- -Kus ~Living in the Circle of Illumination Between Night and Day~ _____________________________________________________________________________ Gregory M. Kus University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign gmk40719@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu CCSO Short Course Instructor NeXT Mail: gmk40719@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu gmk40719@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 19:13:02 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA28745; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:12:51 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA14555; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:10:03 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:10:03 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MiCKeY HoNMyHR To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Rave water... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO here is a lil story for ya'll... so ya know how after a rave you head home and sometimes you have some water left over in your bottle or jug? Well i have found the perfect use for it. My plant Krenen was looking pretty wilted and down. Now i water him every week on the same day and he has always been fine up until about a week ago. this week i was too lazy to go get water from the sink and my rave jug happened to be sitting there so i poured the water on him and the rest into my fish bowl. Needless to say both are alive and feeling rad. is there something magical and super rad about raves or what?!?! oh well just a thought- have a sooper rad day love ya'll oodles and oodles mouse ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- M I C K E Y H O N M Y H R "it is easier not to be great." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 19:23:43 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA28956; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:23:37 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA16132; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:17:38 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:17:38 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MiCKeY HoNMyHR To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Iowa.... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Ok here is the deal- me, matt and eric are leaving here sometime between 3-5am on thurs night/fri morn and plan to spend the day in mplsjust reveling the fact that we are in a city. JON- we are gonna pick you up at work so i need directions. We want to get to Iowa ASAP!!! GUIDO-i haven't gotten a hold of dave yet, but as of right now looks like it shouldn't be a prob to pick ya up on the way, i just need directions to gac and to hannahs house cuz we will probably pick her up before jon. IOWA KREW (JP) - I need directions to cedar rapids or to wheerever this rave is gonna be. Matt is freaking out cuz he doesn't believe that i have a natural sence of direction. (honestly i do, ask jong) ummm thats about it. will check my mail tomorrow before we leave. SEE YA"LL THIS WEEKEND!! Wooo WOoo YAY!!! love ya'll oodles and oodles mouse :) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- M I C K E Y H O N M Y H R "it is easier not to be great." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 19:29:35 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA29057; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:29:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA17492; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:21:49 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 13:21:49 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: pmcgarty@rodin.helios.nd.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: peter mcgarty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SEX X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hell yes they can become to sexual and not spiritual at all greg to often people get into relationships "just for the sex" (see basic instinct) the we just #uck attitude is the worst thing that can happen cause then you are no longer in love and might as well be using a dildo or dummy (depending on your preferences) what makes sex great is not really the sex itself but the feeling of spiritual unity that one recieves from it when it is done in a GOOD relationship. #stepping down off portable soapbox# Well that's about all i have to say in the matter by the way if there are any dj's out there who would be willing to dj an event in feb. for free or next to nothing let me know. :) y'all are the greatest peace, mr.magoo From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 20:22:25 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA00286; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:22:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA03437; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:17:49 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:17:49 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: my $0.02 (last one from me ;-) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Since reading this -thread I have to say that it has had an effect on my life somewhat. Do to certain happenings, and a totally rethinking of my morals. I think that I am going to go to all parties drug free. Why? Well I sat down and said to myself, are you going for the drugs or the music. I think one tends to get caught up in the drugs because they are constantly surrounded by them at the parties. I just thing that I have to rearrange my priorities to what they were when I initially started going to parties. If I am going to use drugs. Perhaps I will just do them at home. Drugs are my business. Well then again.. I could change my mind in 5 minutes about this whole topic. Ethics.. shit, I hate them. Later.. John -SiN-Massive- Then again, maybe I won't change my mind.. Think I am still trying to figure this one out. ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 20:24:39 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA00316; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:24:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA04061; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:20:08 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:20:08 -0600 Message-Id: <199411092013.UAA15068@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Calendar will be late today X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Tons o' crap to do today; the calendar won't be published until later this evening. Oh, and I just gotta' tell you, I hate PC's... :-) -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 20:59:32 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA00951; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:59:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA12812; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:54:32 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:54:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199411092053.OAA12469@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: DMGRAY@ucs.indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: TriPtoNitE To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Please help me! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I just was wondering if anybody had any email addresses for record labels. if not...any ideas how i can go about getting these email addresses? Thanks! Oh...dont forget to come to UTOPIA on friday! its gonna be sooper dooper! Preparty at marks house will feature some major talent on the wheels... afterhours to follow at marks place will feature even more djs. definitely the place to stop by this friday! hope to see you there! im the kid with light brown hair...bout 5'10"...will most likely be staring at the dj as he does his stuph. til then... ...devin ...dmgray@ucs.indiana.edu ..."TriPtoNitE" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 21:02:16 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA01047; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:02:04 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA13449; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:56:33 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:56:33 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: adesombr@worf.uwsp.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Adam Desombre To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ascii art X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey folx, here is my first ever successful attempt at ASCII art...kinda off topic I guess... __ __ __ __ [##] [##] o [##] [##] [##] [##] /|\ [##] [##]\o [()()][()()] _===_===_ [()()][()()]|> o [()()][()()][_________|[()()][()()]<\ -/> __o <\ __ o |> /\ / \ o |\ o / \o| _/\|> <| | o / > / \ _/\L\ \ / | I even tried to enclude a speaker humper :) ..adam From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 21:03:44 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA01058; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:02:36 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA13939; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:58:14 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:58:14 -0600 Message-Id: <9411092056.AA56402@student5.cl.msu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: macqueen@student.msu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Matthew S Macqueen" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: need e-dress for BPM list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hello everyone, Is anyone here also on the BPM list? Every so often someone asks for the address either here, or on alt.techno and it seems like this question never gets answered. I'm beginning to wonder if this list is still in existdance at all... (sorry, couldn't resist the pun) :) please someone tell me what's up, thanks. Halflife ---> Matt MacQueen macqueen@student.msu.edu ps- also, welcome to all the new Michigan State students on mw-raves, seems like more subscribers than ever from here now! :) I'm working on a separate mini-listserv for Lansing/E. Lansing.. but I'll make a formal announcement when/if it ever gets going. Stay down with the underground__________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 21:10:59 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA01241; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:10:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA16189; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:06:23 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:06:23 -0600 Message-Id: <199411092105.PAA16411@eden> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mthule@telalink.net Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: mthule@telalink.net (Maxxima Thule) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Things to bring to a rave X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >In a technologically-induced stupor, beatpunk flatly stated... >:: >::An apple Newton (for recreational value only) > >Do you have one of these and if so, have you actually gotten it do >sucessfully do signature/handwriting recognition? I hear the Newton is a >dog as far as this application goes. BTW, bring it along sometime. I've >never gotten a chance to play with one of these things. I've got one of the originals, I still haven;t upgraded to the improved ROMs, and I find that it works quite well, if you configure it right, and add plenty to your personal dictionary. Though, the mistakes can be quite humourous in their own right... 3:) Love & Kisses, -mthule * Maxxima Thule/Cameron Marshall * Nashville's ONLY Self- * * * Immoliating Super Hero * * mthule@telalink.net * * * csc10004@frank.mtsu.edu * "I can kick ass at will." * http://frank.mtsu.edu:8001/~csc10004/home.html From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 21:39:00 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA01921; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:38:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA23750; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:33:58 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:33:58 -0600 Message-Id: <199411092133.PAA23656@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: LLDAVIS@ucs.indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: LLDAVIS@ucs.indiana.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: utopia X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Devin.... when and where is the preparty? who is spinning? --L From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 21:46:49 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA02769; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:45:54 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA25016; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:38:00 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:38:00 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jwelch@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MrJP To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Family Affair X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Ok The passes didn't get sent out so please send me the e-mail address you want on the list.......You'll have to tell the person at the door your e-mail address.......Sorry about this..........We've been really busy with the party and other stuff..........So please send me the address you want on the list..........Talk to you all later....... MrJP PS....Everyone has a place to stay right....... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 21:52:03 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA03658; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:51:37 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA26092; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:42:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 15:42:06 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jwelch@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MrJP To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: PS X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO OH I'll post the instructions on how to get to the party later tonight..........RAD MrJP From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 22:09:35 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA05432; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:09:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA18052; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:02:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:02:06 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJA45I56UAQPHFPU@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: HOEL@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: HOEL@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: sex and rave relationships X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Actually talking about the sex thing... one of my friends said that he had an inccident where he and a friend did the nasty with some girl in her van. I was so surprised when I heard this... but I guess that I shouldn't be... ravers can have sex to... Actually is sex better when under E... Since I have never taken E and I have pretty much forgotten what sex is like, I was wondering if your sexual sences are totally more hightened. Just wondering... I also was wondering if there are any body out there who have met another person at a rave and got into a relationship with the person. How do these relationships work out... You see there is this girl I see at raves in Milwaukee and Madison and Green Bay, I don't know her name, all I know is that I find her very attractive and I love looking at her eyes when the strobe hits them... Blue eyes rocks!!! But I am such a chicken when it comes to girls... I dunno if anyone can give me any helpful rave pickup lines or what? Anything will be appreciated... Ryan WH From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 22:28:14 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA05808; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:27:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA18434; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:19:17 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:19:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199411092218.RAA16351@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mcjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: mcjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (M. Christopher Jones) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: sex and rave relationships X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Ryan Hoel wrote: >I also was wondering if there are any body out there who have met another >person at a rave and got into a relationship with the person. How do these >relationships work out... a) Yes. b) Just like any other. It worked out well initially but the main problem was he lived in a different state and driving 3 1/2 hours just to get together can become laborious. The way we met? I saw him, liked the way he looked/danced, fetched a cup of water, offered him some, shared a bummed cigarette with him, and then simply started a conversation. Easy. -Chris ________________________________________________________________________________ "Litho" M. Christopher Jones mcjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ________________________________________________________________________________ C o n c e n t r a t e on my v o i c e.......... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 22:42:44 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA05996; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:42:31 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA18852; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:35:16 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:35:16 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: sex and rave relationships X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO my buddy ryan sez: >I also was wondering if there are any body out there who have met another >person at a rave and got into a relationship with the person. How do these >relationships work out... You see there is this girl I see at raves in >Milwaukee and Madison and Green Bay, I don't know her name, all I know is that >I find her very attractive and I love looking at her eyes when the strobe hits >them... Blue eyes rocks!!! But I am such a chicken when it comes to girls... I >dunno if anyone can give me any helpful rave pickup lines or what? Anything >will be appreciated... whatever you do stay away from mr bonde. OH! hi matt!:) naw just kidding. i think you should just go up to her and say "hey that is a really cool shirt" or something like that and get into some kind of conversation with her. what she has to say is more important than her blue eyes, IMHO. thats all i'm gonna say. l8r ellen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 22:55:16 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA06252; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:55:08 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA19019; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:48:59 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:48:59 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: massive@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Lucas Jay Zimmer To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SEX X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, John Thomas Drefahl wrote: > Yeah, what do you guys think about this little rooms that are hidden off > in the corners somewhere. You know, that one room you just accidently > come across when trippen yer balls off, and there are like 4 people > having an E orgy? Is this appropiate? > > Later, John, Sin, Massive > > ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ > <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE > <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine > 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > sex at raves rocks. no E required. matt mot massive From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 22:58:30 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA06297; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:58:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA19109; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:51:38 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 16:51:38 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jjhelton@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: doc To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: THE FIRST STEP TO UTOPIA(important stuff) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO tag-team 1>JAJO-BILLEEBOB-DAVID-HOLLANDS-CYBERJIVE-MIKE^2(SCHROFF AND BRYANT) what more do ya want? this party is gonna be all it can be. hope to see you all there:) 2>PRE-PARTY & AFTERHOURS- CATHEAD'S HOUSE/look for posts mark says you guys can come and camp out until the party starts *there will be a dj line-up posted soon... then you could walk to the site, if you wanted, because its just down the street. party your ass off at T.F.S.T.UTOPIA then come back, chill and get your shit straight before the ride home. WHATTA NICE GUY! 3>DIRECTIONS- FROM CHICAGO/LAFAYETTE- take I-65 south to 465 west then exit U.S. 37 south take the COLLEGE AVE exit follow this road 'til it merges with WALNUT ST continue south on WALNUT you will see a KOCOLENE GAS STATION on your right start lookin' for a BIG RED LIQUOR store on the right. go behind the store and turn left aat the bottom of the hill. parking will be provided behind the space. DETROIT/FORT WAYNE- take I-69 to 465 south MUNCIE/INDY exit U.S 37 south and follow the rest of the CHICAGO/LAFAYETTE directions ST LOUIS- take I-70 north/east to 465 south/east exit U.S. 37 south follow the rest of the CHICAGO/LAFAYETTE directions LEXINGTON/LOUISVILLE- take I-65 north to 465 south/west exit U.S. 37 south follow the rest of the CHICAGO/LAFAYETTE directions or I-65 north exit U.S. 46 west to bloomington follow this 'til it becomes 3RD ST continue to COLLEGE AVE follow the rest of the CHICAGO/LAFAYETTE directions OHIO- take I-74 to 465 south/west exit U.S. 37 south follow the rest of the CHICAGO/LAFAYETTE directions IF YOU NEED MORE INFO THEN CALL THE UTOPIA LINE AT>812.330.3976 KEEP GROOVIN' doc *DJ Doctor J* *know your limits From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 23:36:24 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA07046; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:36:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA20547; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:32:21 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:32:21 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: lollipop@m-net.arbornet.org Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jennifer Lynn Hill To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SEX X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO wooohooo stu!!! You said it!!!! who neeeds DRUGS when you have love and affection and happiness and friends????? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jen Dj Lollipop-Demongirl-Pancake Goddess "Where there is an open mind, there will always be a frontier" -Charles Kettering ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 23:36:39 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA07055; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:36:29 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA20660; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:34:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:34:11 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mudd@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dweezle Christ To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Ketamine X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO The drug u are talking about is ketamin(alias specil K) It is pretty common out here (detroit). It's a vet. drug used to tranq dogs. For people it makes u trip balls. As far as it being a hallucnigen, I have never tried it, but I hear it's much stronger than acid. I have only seen it as a wafer and it was cut with E and smack. __________________________________________________________________________ _ mudd@um.cc.umich.edu < > \___/ ^+ +^ ' \_/ ' "God will bless you if you belive" ] / \ [ -Eddie 'Flashin' Fowlkes \|/ (|) + + __________________________________________________________________________ On Tue, 8 Nov 1994, Niall F Convery wrote: > Mark j said that Jacob's Ladder was losely based on the experiments with > Ketamine in Vietnam (I think they used it as, among other things, a field > anaesthetic..). Interestingly enough, though, the drug has, to my knowledge, > been used quite a lot lately in the UK as an additive to Ecstasy producing a > very trancey effect......perhaps the circle that started off this line of > discussion really is complete, the government creates it, then tries to > eradicate its use........... > > Just My little bit of background info.......:) > > Peace & Joy, > Niall :) > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 23:46:56 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA07237; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:46:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA20934; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:42:18 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:42:18 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: lollipop@m-net.arbornet.org Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jennifer Lynn Hill To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SEX X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO WoooooohooooStu!! who needs DRUGS when you have love, affection, and friendship!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jen Dj Lollipop-Demongirl-Pancake Goddess "Where there is an open mind, there will always be a frontier" -Charles Kettering ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 23:49:07 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA07284; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:48:58 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA21167; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:45:31 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:45:31 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: lollipop@m-net.arbornet.org Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jennifer Lynn Hill To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Iowa.... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I need directions to the cecddar rapids thing too, coming from illinois!!! I'm gonna be there and i need to know what time it starts etc... =) =) wooohooo!!! I'm sooooo excited!! can't wait!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jen Dj Lollipop-Demongirl-Pancake Goddess "Where there is an open mind, there will always be a frontier" -Charles Kettering ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 23:49:56 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA07302; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:49:50 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA21035; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:43:54 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:43:54 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: lollipop@m-net.arbornet.org Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jennifer Lynn Hill To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SEX X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Sex is spiritual..... Of course, there can be the mad, hungry SEX which is just that, sex, but in a *real* relationship, wwith love and synchronicity, there is sex on many levels, it is mental, physical, emotional and spiritual...and who says you need to have INTERCOURSE to have sex, there are many ways to have sex. =) =), and many ways to show someone you love aand adore them. =) =) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jen Dj Lollipop-Demongirl-Pancake Goddess "Where there is an open mind, there will always be a frontier" -Charles Kettering ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 23:59:10 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA07490; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:58:55 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA21522; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:56:08 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 17:56:08 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: lollipop@m-net.arbornet.org Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jennifer Lynn Hill To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: dan sucks X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I'm not gay, but i'm BI..Yes, you heard it right here, i'm BI!!! And ther is nothing wrong with it...there is nothing wrong with being gay and if I get flamed for this, then FLAME away (no pun intended!!) WOOOOOHOOOOOOO Why shoulkd society have to love someone of the opposite sex?? You should love someone for WHO they are not WHAT SEX they are!!! It goes along with the PLUR things kids!!! *hugs and smoooochies* hey, does this mean i'm banned from ravers and the list??? *giggle* ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jen Dj Lollipop-Demongirl-Pancake Goddess "Where there is an open mind, there will always be a frontier" -Charles Kettering ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 00:15:32 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA07801; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:15:11 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA22263; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:12:22 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:12:22 -0600 Message-Id: <199411100011.TAA05821@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rebecca Jill Maslow To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Plea... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ok, this is a plea, or else a really informative note about what is happening in my life for this weekend. i still have not secured a ride from athens to cincy, that is my main problem. a side problem i am having, (i won't bore you with the details of my weekend to be travel plans,) i need a ride from bloomington back to cincy, assuming my ride to bloomington from cincy still is on. :) so if anyone is aware of anyone else who is going through cincinnati on their return trip from bloomington, and is staying until at least hte morning, let me know. or Pat, if you wanna be a sweetie and take me back to cincy on saturday around 11am, i would much appreciate it. ok, i'm done. thanks for listening. -becca little elf needs to rave before her head explodes! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 00:21:58 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA07918; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:21:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA22433; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:17:21 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:17:21 -0600 Message-Id: <199411100012.AAA26890@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SEX X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Matt Bonde: >On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, John Thomas Drefahl wrote: > >> Yeah, what do you guys think about this little rooms that are hidden off >> in the corners somewhere. You know, that one room you just accidently >> come across when trippen yer balls off, and there are like 4 people >> having an E orgy? Is this appropiate? Who's to say what's appropriate or not? Surely not me. If you're having a good time and not bothering anyone, I say go for it. >> Later, John, Sin, Massive > >sex at raves rocks. >no E required. Sex _anywhere_ rocks. E or no E. :-) -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 00:26:00 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA07982; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:25:43 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA22559; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:20:01 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:20:01 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jwelch@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MrJP To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Family Affair INfo X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO OK heres the skoop kids....... Take 380 into cedar rapids......If your coming from the south turn left on blairs ferry rd go to C ave take a right then go right on Old Marrion Rd the address is 1101 old Marion Rd NE.....It's in the Pithian Hall.........Call the info line if you need more info........ MrJP I can't wait too see you all there......weeee....... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 00:43:37 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA08373; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:43:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA23002; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:37:34 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 18:37:34 -0600 Message-Id: <199411100036.SAA11567@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: believe@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: xlarge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: sex and relationships X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >rave pickup lines or what? Anything >will be appreciated... > >Ryan WH > how about, nice shoes whant to rave?? hehe -- xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl .it's the new style!! xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl -- xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl ..it's the new style!! xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 01:12:42 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA08900; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:12:34 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA23526; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:03:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:03:41 -0600 Message-Id: <9411100102.AA21315@mik.uky.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: kjsmoc00@mik.uky.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: kimberly j smock To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: SEX X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO There is nothing quite like having sex at a rave with someone you trust, admire and respect........... .......in love or not. Sex too is a drug that can lift you to heights of EUPHORIA and X-tacy. *peace:)*hugs*etc........ -Kimberly From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 01:16:30 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA08999; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:16:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA23683; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:08:50 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:08:50 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: HOME: anyone goin? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i'll be at HOME in chi this saturday...any of you kids goin? we should set up some shit. ++ e d From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 01:46:43 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA09449; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:46:36 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA24344; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:44:40 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:44:40 -0600 Message-Id: <199411100143.TAA26508@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: S987071@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Catherina Willard To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: sex and greetings X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO first order of business: a big phat HI to all my buddies- all you net ravers who have crashed at 8007 Titus in st. louie- it's nice to finally be here! a special hello and *HHHHUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGZZZZZZZZZ* to my bisexual pancake goddess, Jenn. i miss you, girl! everyone else, i'm trina, just got here, couldn't be more tickled to meet you all and while i'm here and we are on the subject i have to say i agree with matt (by the way matt, i am james' roommate who you talked to on the phone today about t-shirts and magazines). sex rocks. as does E. nuff said. once again, it's nice to be here... PLUR to yall T From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 01:52:20 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA09514; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:52:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA24474; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:48:28 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:48:28 -0600 Message-Id: <9411092040014351710@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: Technohead@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Technohead@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: XL PATER & DJ. LEWIS X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO FROM THE FLYER... FRIDAY NOV 18 ST. ANDREWS HALL DETROIT LX PATER & DJ. LEWIS FROM THE ORB CALL (313) 961-MELT From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 01:53:24 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA09529; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:53:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA24562; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:50:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:50:02 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Awarehouse X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 01:54:36 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA09569; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:54:22 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA24695; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:52:44 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 19:52:44 -0600 Message-Id: <9411100152.AA26973@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aw975794@oak.cats.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Amy Waldowski To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ATTRACTION X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey everyone! just wanted to let those who are interested know that we(becca and i) just found out that we don't have classes on the 17th of january which means ATTRACTION can be streched out to four days now!!! all of those planning on coming are welcome to stay....hope to see you all there!:) -amy From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 02:19:21 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA10068; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:18:57 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA25138; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:15:20 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:15:20 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Awarehouse X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Awarehouse this friday November 11, 1994 Mystic Bill Davey Dave Marty AfroMan +more of Chicago's & Milwaukee's finest DJ's $5 admission please please do not bring any tagging utensils....these items will not be allowed for more info call 414.256.1775 PEACE LOVE & UNITY dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 02:42:44 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA10497; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:42:32 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA25600; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:39:50 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:39:50 -0600 Message-Id: <9411100257.AA06860@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sherih@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sheri Hendrickson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: mr. e-tones X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO please wish MR. E-TONES (best house dj of mpls) good luck tonight for a contest at the Saloon (a dance club here in mpls). the contest is a spin-off for the best dj. the big prize is a permanent spot to spin at the Saloon. gotta go! Starts at 10p.m. GOOD LUCK, TONY! /\/\ \/ Sheri From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 03:04:00 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA11105; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:03:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA25940; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:00:28 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:00:28 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: creating a good vibe X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hello again everyone! This is just another post that's all about lllooovvveee! Today's lesson in love is: creating a positive vibe. Picture it...your in a blue mood today...feeling lonely...nobody cares...you just feel you need some positive energy to come your way..to remind you that there is a reason why you are here...try this... call up a friend..someone you really love and tell them just how much they mean to you.Be very explicit and just let the love you feel for them control the words.You see, dear friends, I have recently discovered that doing this creates the most warm feeling inside!It is always appreciated and usually returned and in the end, you've managed to transform things, if even only for a moment. Practicing "random acts of kindness" allows your "inner light" to shine so brilliantly that those to whom it is directed can't help but embrace it. So how does doing this remind you that there is a reason why you are here, you might ask? Because in the end, the only thing that will matter is the love you give and the lives that have been touched by those you have given it to. Corny, eh? Well all I can say is it seems to work for me. Be safe, Be kind, And be loving. Ben dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 03:04:05 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA11107; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:03:45 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA25826; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:59:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 20:59:56 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJAEYKISYA000TTU@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: 948191KF@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: 948191KF@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: How to get Upside Down tapes X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Upside Down, November 5th, 1994 Green Bay, Wisconsin DJs: Phantom 45, Acid Boy Todd P., Mindrive, Deadly Buda, T-1000, Esp Woody McBride, Spencer Kincy, and Diz... I have yet to get copies from the DAT that was made. BUT once they are available I'd like to sell copies to make back some of the thousand + dollars that was lost. (My Money :( ) Tapes will be cheap-- like 6 or 7 dollars a tape or 30 dollars for the complete set. If you would like copies call me at home before this weekend: 414-434-2701 and I'll take down your number so I can notify you when I get the copy, or in Milwaukee after this weekend (I'm Moving) 414.225.9834. Or Mail me (Snail Mail) of your interest: Kimm Follett 1654 N. Jackson, Upper Milwaukee, WI 53202 Or if you have to,email your phone number and name and address to Craig at: archon@acid.com with the subject line of : Upside Down Tapes; Kimm He can get the information to me. I can assure you that all of the sets were incredible-- the complete set would be the way to go, IMHO. It goes from Awesome Breaks to some incredible trance, slows down a bit for Mind-driving music (heh heh), grabs your attention for Deadly Buda, peaks at some hard trance for T-1000.... slows down with a really unique set for ESP and then ends with some awesome house from spencer and diz. These tapes are truly worth your $ Kimm Follett From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 03:08:57 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA11196; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:08:38 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA26206; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:06:27 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:06:27 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJAFB2PQ0Y000TTU@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: 948191KF@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: 948191KF@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Upside Down review X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey- Thanks to everyone who made the trip to Green Bay for Upside Down. ALthough the turnout was low, the people there all seemed to have a good time and there was a really great vibe. The music was kick ass and copies of the party are available ( Kimm- 414.225.9834 after Sunday). Unfortunately, I lost a lot of money from this party. We were 129 people short of breaking even. At 13 dollars a ticket that gives you an idea of about how much money I lost. But the party was a success.... I'm unsubbing from mw-raves after this post so here is the info you need if you want to get in touch with me: Before this weekend: Kimm Follett, 2919 Holland Road, Green Bay, WI 54313 after this weekend: Kimm Follett, 1654 N. Jackson, Upper, Milwaukee,WI 53202 phone until Sun: 414.434.2701 after Sunday: 414.225.9834 Bye everyone... Kimm From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 03:11:58 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA11263; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:11:43 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA26306; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:09:04 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:09:04 -0600 Message-Id: <9411100327.AA06991@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sherih@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sheri Hendrickson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: niftee/general bitching X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO This might be a tad stale with the current mw postings but what the hell. hey, i still have that very same flyer that "Pike" was describing about a couple of years ago.....MINDPHASEONE..... As a hibernating graphic design major at the same school as prof. earache (MCAD - one of the best schools for G.D. and comp. art in the nation) let give you my $0.02 worth. Flyers are an actual ad for these parties like an advertisement in newpapers, magazines, billboards, etc. The more catchy/fancy/pretty/witty the ad is, it's going to lure potential customer$ by it's memorable image and text. The more ornate and costly the "ads" are, cost$ mucho buck$. This reflects the budget being spent/how established/organized the promoters are. Scimping on simple photocopies saves a $1000-$2000 for the promoters' budget. As of the typical design for flyers, I CAN'T STAND THAT DAMN FRACTUAL ART CRAP AND THE TERRIBLE TYPOGRAPHY! The fractual art stuff is becoming very cheezy and like the art of the "Trapper Keepers." The typography reminds me of the circus hand bill posters of the Old West with it's hodge-podge of different texts. I don't mean to be a G.D. snob. Sir Real Grafix was the most terrible rave flyer designer. (What are they up to these days?) Superfreak can have a hit or miss of good design. I think 43d is the better one out of the Midwest. Especially, their recent stuff of avoiding that "busy photshop" trashed look by using simplier and cleaner "cartoon" look. My personal all time rave flyer printers are the defunct "A & A" Printing and Grafix from L.A. Better typography and image. There is definately NOT a right or wrong on flyers to be 4 color process, hand die cut, varnished print, etc. that is a way of commuication/advertisement for this event. Regardless of what, those really elaborate flyers are really nice to save as a momento and possible a documentation of the subculture. P.S. Rich, are you helping out on that "Color Rhythm" party? SHERI (a.k.a. HKK) Expositor From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 03:18:56 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA11452; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:18:45 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA26544; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:15:10 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:15:10 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJAFR4U5PE000TTU@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: 948191KF@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: 948191KF@GBVAXA.UWGB.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: before I unsube X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey- I still have an email account at 948191kf@gbvaxa.uwgb.edu But I am now about to unsub from mw-raves. I doubt that i will be able to re subscribe because i do not think MATC has email available to students. If you send mail to the above address i will get it around thanksgiving time when i check my mail in green bay. Kimm From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 03:24:18 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA11565; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:23:53 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA26877; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:19:16 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:19:16 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJAFA8F0Z601DTAE@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: HOEL@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: HOEL@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: anything in Madison X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hello, I was wondering if there was any parties taking place in Madison this weekend... I am prolly sticking around here (Platteville), but I wouldn't mind going over to Madison if there was something going on... anything really... just someplace where I can dance and hang out... Ryan WH From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 03:37:58 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA11884; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:37:40 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA27283; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:35:21 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:35:21 -0600 Message-Id: <9411100333.AA17400@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Shawn DeVries) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SEX X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Jen.....you're so toasted. Sheesh Shawn :) ______________________________________________________________________________ misfit-baloo-------shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu-------Shawn M. DeVries we are all in the same family Purdue University's proud representative of the Raving Engineers ______________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 03:43:48 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA11970; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:43:10 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA27420; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:40:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:40:11 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJAGOENAPU8Y7C4R@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CAMMARAT@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: I'm a homo raver X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO .and damn proud of that fact! Anyway, we are talking about sex, and we (as usual) are talking about raves...and with E, all things SEEM to be possible. Love is something truly wonderful, Love is something mulitfaceted (if I say I love my friends, which I really TRULY do [you all can guess at who I'm talking to], I mean it, but it is not the same as being *IN LOVE*) I came out at 15....nothing really suprised my friends, they knew before me...ANYWAY, I've been in good relationships, I've been in Bad relationships, and I have fuct up some relationships that had great potential; but hey, that is what happens in the course of life, right? Let me say one thing, though...I hooked up with someone at a rave in Chicago a year and a half ago (Earthquake), and it was an, ahem, intresting experience. I was on A LOT OF DRUGS (comon theme up until recently) and it was also the first night I met the net ravers (stevenj, melissa, Joe...etc) and the night of Amy's car wreck (for us old timers on this here list). ANYWAY, I thought I knew this guy pretty well, we had known each other for about a year, casually, but all of a sudden, he was connected to my neck...well, we ended up dating, and I ended up with five hickies....Things were great, I guess, but it all was fairly durg related... What the hell is Tigger's point? well...if you are going to be involved with someone at a rave, make sure the emotion is there WITHOUT the chemicals; because E can be misleading...sometimes it is like buying love in a pill. Tigger (ps...I'm not saying don't go out and meet people, jsut KNOW who you are getting involved with...it saves a lot of trouble in the end...as for all y'all comin' to IOWA....it'll be rad) (pps...there are also somedays I would KILL to be Bi....) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 03:44:35 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA11980; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:43:51 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA27501; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:41:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:41:41 -0600 Message-Id: <9411100359.AA07090@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jong@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jon Gilkison To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: niftee/general bitching X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Sir Real? All of that shit that came out of there was hand painted vis-a-vis a computer and was pretty damn amazing considering it from a technical stand point. Few people can paint like that with photoshop. Not to sound like I'm tripping on my own head - but I do 4c photoshop work day in and day out - Sir Real's stuff was pretty phat considering. SuperFreak stuff bothers me only when it looks like the last flyer I saw. They get stuck in photoshop filter hell and can't seem to work their way out of it sometimes. But they did a super rad job on the Xanadu flyers and seem to have stepped up their press work too - no rosettes and a pretty intense line screen. (I'm probably the only raver in the 50 states to look at flyers under a loupe :P ) The typography for flyers suck most times, but so does the typography for most zines and other "unddaground" shit - most of the people pushing this stuff out don't have BAs in design or prolly haven't even take a class in theory. So considering that, it's pretty good. It's all a matter of opinion too. The people I work with pick expositor apart for various reasons, the cheif among them they don't think there is much original design in it. Me, it really doesn't matter, if it looks like someone worked hard on making something then more power to them and I support that - even if in the end it doesn't turn out all that well. You can tell that someone worked hard on something by looking at it, and you can tell when someone just ran it through a filter or what not. Sometimes SF tries, sometimes they don't. As for advertising the event, yeah I agree with that to a certain extent with most parties. Some people want flyers for their party for other reasons tho. Me, personally, I'm getting tired of this rave "business" stuff - people approaching and throwing on parties as tho it were a business and all that. Robs some of the magic from the whole thing. I'm wandering off topic so I'll shut my yap now. earache From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 03:51:21 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA12095; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:50:11 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA27678; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:47:36 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:47:36 -0600 Message-Id: <941109223657_4428051@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Gemini Products X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO So that I don't have to type this a 100 times, here is some info. PMX - 7 6" rack mixer w/ 2 phone, 2 line and mic input Gain control for eacch channel Removable Xfader Cuieng, LED meter Retail : 124.00, Maxximum : 103.70 PMX - 12 10" rack mixer. same as PMX 7 + Master vol control Talkover switch Bass and treble controls for mic Retail : 145.00 Maxximum : 121.55 PMX 15 same as PMX 12 + removable Xfader and channel slide removable transform switches for ch 1 & 2 retails : 172.00 maxximum : 142.80 PMX 1000 19" rack mixer 2 phone, 5 lines XLR & 1/4 mic inputs w/ bass & treble control Auto mute talkover Assignable and removable Xfader DJ booth output Peak hold LED meter XLR goonesneck lamp adapter Cueing retails : 259.00 Maxximum :215.90 PMX 2000 same as PMX 1000 + 7 + 7 band eq retails : 339.00 Maxximum : 289.00 PMX 2500 same as PMX 2000 + six sound effects w/ spped control retails : 359.00 Maxximum : 308.00 PMX 3000 same as PMX 2000 + built in echo effect retails : 385.00 Maxximum : 328.10 PMX 3500 same as PMX 2500 + PMX 3000 retails : 409.00 Maxximum : 346.80 PMD 1008 10" rack mixer w/ 8 sec digital sampler w/ speed control 2 phono, 2 line, 1 mic (XLR or 1/4) Auto mute talkover removable xfader and channel slides talkover switch master vol control cuieng LED meter retails : 299.00 Maxximum : 249.90 PMD 3008 (my favorite) same as PMD 1008 + 19" rack 2 phone, 4 lines, 1 mic Assignable & removable Xfader DJ booth output Peak hold LED meter Master bass and treble control XLR gooseneck lamp adapter Auto mute talkover retails : 439.00 Maxximum : 374.00 PMD 6008 same as PMD 3008 + 2 phono, 5 line, 1 mic 7 + 7 band eq retails : 579.00 MAxximum : 491.00 PMD 7008 same as 6008 + Baterry back up for sampler one 8 sec sampler + four 2 sec sampler Retails : 699.00 Maxximum : 598.00 PL-9 Power supply and light module 19" rack, 1 space Power protection circuit on/off switch for dimmer 8 ac outler in back Maxximum : 125..00 GNL-500 gooseneck flexinble light for mixers Maxximum : 20.90 GM -8 18" gooseneck mic for mixers XLR Maxximum : 49.00 ST-1 tripod telescoping speaker stand extends to 9'2" includes hardware supports up to 100 lbs Retails : 159.00 Maxximum : 114.00 TT-1 Carpet turntables case, turntables foam corner, strap handle, rubber feet Maxximum : 114.00 piece 199 a pair. DJC 001 carpet coffin Maxximum : 189.00 FG 1000 700 w fog machine w/ 30ft remote control Maxximum : 197.50 1 gallon fog juice : 1 gal : 43.95 1 case (6 gallon) : 221.65 Gemini is now comming out with lighting equipment e-mail for info Maxximum Sound and Ligths, Inc 615.331.7174 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 03:51:58 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA12135; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:51:20 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA27773; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:49:17 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 21:49:17 -0600 Message-Id: <9411100347.AA22014@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Shawn DeVries) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Family Affair X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO MrJP blurted out rudely > > > > > Ok The passes didn't get sent out so please send me the e-mail address > you want on the list.......You'll have to tell the person at the door > your e-mail address.......Sorry about this..........We've been really > busy with the party and other stuff..........So please send me the > address you want on the list..........Talk to you all later....... okay....here's the scoop... I have partial email addresses/nicknames of people that are wanting to be on the list....here it goes....and if you see your name and no email address, send it to JP or me... rad.....superrad jong (on vravre) guido (on vrave) mouse honmyhr@mhd.moorhead.msus.edu jason walden jwalden@expert.cc.purdue.edu jen/lollipop/pancake goddess/demon grrl lollipop@m-net.arbornet.org shannon/thee funkee diva smmcfar@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu steve kiwi@expert.cc.purdue.edu and last but not least....:) me! shawn/misfit shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu cool.....see you there.... > > > MrJP > > PS....Everyone has a place to stay right....... > > ______________________________________________________________________________ misfit-baloo-------shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu-------Shawn M. DeVries we are all in the same family Purdue University's proud representative of the Raving Engineers ______________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 04:18:33 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA12583; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 23:18:25 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA28195; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:14:59 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:14:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199411100414.WAA01428@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: believe@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: xlarge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: creating a good vibe X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO thank you for the inside information. now i know how to attempt this random depression i've been getting. :) -- xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl ..it's the new style!! xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 04:22:36 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA12663; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 23:22:29 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA28322; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:19:46 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 22:19:46 -0600 Message-Id: <199411100419.WAA02481@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: believe@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: xlarge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: creating a good vibe X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > > >thank you for the inside information. now i know how to attempt this random >depression i've been getting. :) i mean attempt to get rid of this random depression. xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl ..it's the new style!! xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 05:06:20 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA13477; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 00:06:08 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA29051; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 23:04:04 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 23:04:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199411100503.AA211473802@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Home downtown X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO What's up I'm a new raver on this net, I just moved in to the Chicago area from Switzerland where I was quite involved in the rave scene. I'm planning on going to the Home downtown rave. Is anyone else from the net going. Being new and all it would be cool to meet the local ravers here. Peace DJ Fantasia PS Whats the deal on the net rave party. I kinda missed the info on that. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 05:38:25 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA14026; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 00:38:11 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA29394; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 23:36:15 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 23:36:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199411100535.XAA16853@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: believe@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: xlarge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Home downtown X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > >What's up > >I'm a new raver on this net, I just moved in to the Chicago area from >Switzerland where I was quite involved in the rave scene. I'm planning on >going to the Home downtown rave. Is anyone else from the net going. Being >new and all it would be cool to meet the local ravers here. > >Peace DJ Fantasia meet at the smart bar at 1am! :) xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl ..it's the new style!! xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 05:44:21 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA14106; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 00:44:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA29515; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 23:41:07 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 23:41:07 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: help!!! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO okay...is ANYONE going to iowa on friday for the party in cedar rapids that is also going to Home on sat? i HAVE to be there, i dont have a choice...or my car...it is parked hapilly in front of home in chicago, and i am in champaign now for school... i can get to cedar rapids, but i dont believe that my ride will be returning to chicago...if anyone could possibly fit me in their car i would be completely endebted to you...it would be oh so very appreciated!!! please respond as soon as possible...it is very important that i know within the next 12 hrs because we are leaving tommorow at 3 in the afternoon........... i dont mean to grovel, but puh-leeeeeeeeze??????!!!!!!! thank you thank you thank you gretchen e blount From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 06:08:40 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA14523; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 01:08:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA29856; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 00:06:46 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 00:06:46 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: prozac X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i am just womdering what you all think about it. good? bad? addictive? government plot? let me know. thanks. l8r ellen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 06:16:00 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA14707; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 01:15:50 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA29984; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 00:14:46 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 00:14:46 -0600 Message-Id: <199411100613.AAA23092@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: believe@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: xlarge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: prozac X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > >i am just womdering what you all think about it. good? bad? addictive? >government plot? let me know. thanks. > >l8r > >ellen hhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmm, do i suspect a term paper??? :) xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl ..it's the new style!! xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 06:52:18 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA15220; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 01:52:04 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA00651; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 00:50:42 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 00:50:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199411100647.GAA14496@falcon.depaul.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: goldbaum@falcon.depaul.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nate Goldbaum To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: creating a good vibe X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > > > thank you for the inside information. now i know how to attempt this random > depression i've been getting. :) > -- > > xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl > ..it's the new style!! xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu > xlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxlxl > Calling your friends or just smiling at people on the street is a wonderful way to build up your personal energy -- and you'd be surprised how many people smile back! It's neeto!! :D But another really good way to build up your energy is a simple mental/physical/ spiritual exercise which helps that creative life energy flow strongly through your body and soul. Find a spot that you can stop and stand still for a bit. Close your eyes and imagine spirals (counter-clockwise, don't ask me why) coming down from your heart, through your legs and moving through the building you're in...into the ground below you...through the Crust of the Earth...the Mantle...and into the very HEART of the Earth. These spirals carry energy from Mother Earth back up into your heart. At the same (or nearly the same) time, imagine your head encircled by a pure white mist. A crystal above your head is shining a pure white light down upon your head and through it into your very soul. Breathe very deeply and slowly *increase* the rate of your breathing. Realize that your breath connects you to every living thing around you through the air we all share. Keep feeling the energy build up inside you until you are in an excited state. When you stop and open your eyes you will probably feel quite euphoric. You might even be dizzy and I often see slight hallucinations. I have learned (I know it may sound stupid) that the flowing visions I had seen on acid are actually a visual representation of the radiant energy flowing through our universe. I used to think it was just illusion, but I really believe, now, that LSD had been opening my vision to a more complete understanding of the universe -- now you too can try it at home, with *no* dangerous side-effects (like getting arrested :P ). Just let that energy flow and don't be afraid to see it (ie. don't succumb to cynicism). Even if this sounds like silly hippy-dippy shit to you, give the exercise a try. At the very least you can increase your heart-rate and feel a slight rush for a while. Hope this has helped someone. peaceout nate "You got to believe...." From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 07:21:10 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA15747; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 02:20:59 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA01073; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 01:18:49 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 01:18:49 -0600 Message-Id: <199411100717.AA119681858@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: dps927@nwu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: dps927@nwu.edu (david siska) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Home downtown X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >What's up > >I'm a new raver on this net, I just moved in to the Chicago area from >Switzerland where I was quite involved in the rave scene. I'm planning on >going to the Home downtown rave. Is anyone else from the net going. Being >new and all it would be cool to meet the local ravers here. > >Peace DJ Fantasia i was wondering when you'd show on this list, what with your stint on alt.rave :) well, i'll proabably be going, perhaps with a few others from evanston. like the man said, even if you don't connect with anyone to go down there, meet near the smart bar at the event (not the one next to the metro) at 1 am. look for people shmoozing. say something like 'smart bar, 1 am?' and if they don't look at you like you're loony, there's your crowd. d8) dave From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 07:59:30 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA16058; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 02:59:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA01425; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 01:57:46 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 01:57:46 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: more love X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Okay...a final thought about love...you...you are the most important part of your experience in this world...embrace yourself....live your inner light each and every day! To do this...simply focus your energy on the positive vibration of love....say to yourself"I intend to have only positive thinge happen to me.. I intend for love to be the light that guides me in my quest for truth..I intend for thise i love to be protected as I am,to be shielded by the warmth of the love vibration......" Erase the words TRY and SHOULD from your vocab- ulary..replace them with words such as "I WILL" and"I INTEND" I have the greatest of hope for you all!! Sleep well..and guard yourselves... for you are treasures! LOVE TO YOU ALL BEN dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 08:14:05 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA16265; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 03:13:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA01675; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 02:11:29 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 02:11:29 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: sex and relationships X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, I have just gotten into an E induced relationship. Funny to find someone on you first rolling. Well, I will fill you all in as I get into it. JOhn SiN Massive ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 10:16:49 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id FAA17440; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 05:16:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA02505; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 04:13:03 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 04:13:03 -0600 Message-Id: <199411101007.KAA17137@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: Craig.Stodolenak@mixcom.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: mw-raves CALENDAR 11.09.94 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ______ ______ _ _ ______ ______ \ \ \ \ / / / / /\ /\\ /\ /\ \_____\ \ / /_____/ /_____ / \/ \\/ \/ \ \ \ \/ /______ ______/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================ mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu === ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Code Date City Event ----- ------- -------------- -------------------------------------- 42 11/11 F Milwaukee AWAREHOUSE 29 11/11 F Louisville EVOLUTION 13 11/11 F Cedar Rapids FAMILY AFFAIR 18 11/11 F Ann Arbor SNARK II 04 11/11 F Bloomington UTOPIA 43 11/11 F Grinnell BE GRATEFUL 44 11/12 S St. Louis CONTACT 50 11/12 S Nashville FAITH 30 11/12 S Chicago HOME 19 11/12 S Milwaukee PUSH 45 11/18 F Milwaukee KEOKEE 31 11/18 F St. Louis LUNAR LOVELAND 40 11/18 F Memphis SPACE ODESSY 46 11/18 F Quad Cities SUPERSONIC 48 11/18 F Detroit Untitled 49 11/19 S Chicago ALIEN LOVE 14 11/19 S Chicago ACIDIC PYRAMYD 32 11/19 S Minneapolis MAY FLOWER 01 11/23 W Cincinnati PILGRIMAGE 02 11/25 F Pittsburgh ALL NATURAL 33 11/25 F Minneapolis CELESTIAL GROOVES 03 11/26 S Morgantown BIG UNDERGROUND GROOVE 08 11/26 S Detroit FIASCO 34 11/26 S Akron IMAGINE 39 11/26 S Chicago LOVE REVOLUTION 35 11/26 S Minneapolis RHYTHM 26 11/26 S Chicago UNIVERSAL LOVE 36 12/03 S Detroit CONTACT 16 12/03 S Louisville EVOLUTION 37 12/10 S Madison DEEP FREEZE 38 12/10 S Nashville FUNKOPOLIS 04 12/10 S Fargo SINERGY 05 12/17 S Appleton LIQUID LOVE 06 12/17 S Minneapolis RECESS 09 12/17 S Pittsburgh TRANSENDENCE II 41 12/31 S Memphis COMMUNICATE 39 12/31 S Minneapolis FUTURE 07 01/14 S Athens ATTRACTION 47 02/04 S Memphis ABDUCTION (moved from 11/18) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- === MWRaves Calendar ==================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Issued every WEDNESDAY. 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(If it isn't, ask modE@csd.uwm.edu for help) Every week the you'll find numbers next to the events listed at the top of the calendar. the numbers range from 01 thru 50. it all works by sending mail to: modE@csd.uwm.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- to GET meetwhile 12: To: modE@csd.uwm.edu Subject: get 12 [message body is just scrapped] --------------------------------------------------------------------- to ADD to meetwhile 07: To: modE@csd.uwm.edu Subject: add 07 [message body = description, plans, anything...] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- === MainSection ============================================ E-flyers === ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 11 NOVEMBER Friday MILWAUKEE AWAREHOUSE Awarehouse this friday November 11, 1994 Mystic Bill Davey Dave Marty AfroMan +more of Chicago's & Milwaukee's finest DJ's $5 admission please please do not bring any tagging utensils.... these items will not be allowed for more info call 414.256.1775 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 11 NOVEMBER Friday LOUISVILLE EVOLUTION TRILOBITE TURNTABLES (all I can say about the name is ya gotta see the flyer) DJS Hyperactive James Johnson Astroboy BenMan from louisville Thome tomato Leviathan -evolution Damon from Cincy sean and kasi and others Evolution will be continuing our policy of net-ravers free, although we do ask that you bring a paying friend if possible, to be on the guest list please e-mail this address. This is the temporary e-residence for ImsmartRU and evolution. Also there has been a slight change in Evolution: Teknosaurus unfortunately terry will not be able to make it but replacing him we have ..... MIke Huckaby :-). here are the revised set times in the main room (there will be second room of house and ambient.) 10-12 dieselboy 12-2 lenny d 2-4 mike huckaby or scott henry 4-6 mike huckaby or scott henry (kinda depends on what they feel like spinning.) 6-8 mark farina :-) (NOTHING like a little acid jazz and tribal to welcome the sun.) its about peace and love ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 11 NOVEMBER Friday CEDAR RAPIDS FAMILY AFFAIR Family Affair Nov 11th 1994 Cedar Rapids Ia DJs Josh Werner Sho Juicy Fruit and other Iowa DJs LIve TranceAmbient P.A by DAC Crowell Info lines 319.337.7712 309.757.5323 Net Ravers are free so Send me your Snail mail addess so I can send you all the stuff you need to get here and get in Free... MrJP (jwelch@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 11 NOVEMBER Friday ANN ARBOR SNARK II snark II ann arbor, mi at delta tau delta (across the street from "the arb" in ann arbor) I can get better directions soon :) an underground party in a more "overground" space, I guess - they're throwing it in a frat house but it is NOT A FRAT PARTY AT ALL - ie no beer 11 pm till 4am FREE FREE FREE unfortunately, there is no info #.... the party's address is 1928 geddes in ann arbor. snark-2 (electric boogaloo) bmg & rotator fri nov 11 11pm till 4am brought to you by crush collision wcbn-fm 88.3 thursdays 10 til midnight (you can call 313/763-3500 on thursday sbetween 10pm and 1am for info, though i dont think it really counts as an info line :) ) take I-94 to 23 (ann arbor) to washtenaw. turn right on observatory, right on geddes, and the house is a block down. FREE graphics by smilEE ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 11 NOVEMBER Friday BLOOMINGTON UTOPIA :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: THE FIRST STEP TO :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: U U TTTTTTT OOOO PPPPP IIIIIII AAAA U U T O O P P I A A U U T O O PPPPP I AAAAAA U U T O O P I A A UUUU T OOOO P IIIIIII A A :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: FRIDAY NOVEMBER 11TH :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: BLOOMINGTON INDIANA :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: DISPLAYING THEIR "TECHNIQUES" ON THE "1200'S" :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: JAJO DAVID HOLLANDS BILLEEBOB CYBERJIVE MIKE SCHROFF MIKE BRYANT :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: PRICE> BETWEEN $8 AND $10 :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: LOCATION> WILL BE ANNOUNCED IN ADVANCE :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: TIME>10 o'clock :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: FOR INFO> *812.330.3976 E-MAIL>jjhelton@ucs.indiana.edu :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: *KNOW YOUR LIMITS* :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: KEEP GROOVIN' DOC ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 12 NOVEMBER Saturday GRINNELL BE GRATEFUL on Saturday, November 12 (that is the night after Utopia and the thing in Cedar Rapids) F O R C E P R O D U C T I O N S and (*That Bloody Irishman*) would like to bring you something we can all B E G R A T E F U L for This is the second in the series of Grinnell FREE (totally and completely) events that have been attempting to shock the shit out of middle america, and the trend is catching on....this time we have the dj's, the lights, the sound, but all we really need is you...you make it happen EVERY TIME. Dj's (subject to change, but they SAID they'd be here) the Xanadu guy....SHO spreading his trance tentacles...Dj SPORE tag team insanity from Chicago and Dublin...Tigger and Luvdup everyone's favorite tag teamers from Wiley Cafe...Misfit and Ramylson making us shake our ass to some HARD trance...Pixel that happy good morning chill...Mr JP we can and will proudly add more to the list of Dj's as the week goes on...there is always room for you. Niall and I are offering up crash space, a really fun party, and FREE CABLE (only in the lounge's though..:) if intrested in coming (from ANYWHERE...there are people coming from Milwaukee, St. Louis, W. Lafyette...) LET US or MW-RAVES know!! I can gaurantee a good time, but only as long as _YOU_ are there! and as for everyone of you net-raver types going to Utopia, how's about setting up a CRAZY caravan!!! (just an idea, I'd love to see you all again...) peace, see you saturday. Tigger ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 12 NOVEMBER Saturday ST. LOUIS CONTACT C O N T A C T tribes of unity 94 saturday noverber 12 1994 saint louis city area everywhere we turn we find hatred and prejudice... in this society the media sells violence and destruction. until now, the dawn of the children of the future. we are the ones who will change the world for peace... IT HAS ALREADY BEGUN... 100% legal / permitted warehouse concept main pa one - hard trance / breaks arena ii - hip-hop / house / acid jazz live performance MIDWEST AVENGERS arena iii - ambient chamber audio astronauts: EFEX DERRICK CARTER ASTROBOY STEVE-O DROID MATT BRENDLE WAXEE BOOMER JON 3 DREAMSCAPE KEVIN BROCK RON S. ADRIAN JAERREN 314.995.6230 saint louis area 901.363.9831 memphis 414.777.3998 milwaukee (drop bass) 312.509.8068 chicago (atp) love 2: marc, albie, paul (my big brotha), noah, mars, joel, kristy, kim, consuela, monroe, ray & joe & wendy, jean, mindy, byron, risa & melisa & amy (u are the sweetest), all the new kidz and mary jane & mush room (au natural forever!) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 12 NOVEMBER Saturday NASHVILLE FAITH another event from BAM!/anode *f*a*i*t*h* josh wink - philadelphia sorted records trope - new york dynamix... minddrive - madison, wisconsin chip b - nashville knuck.l.head - knoxville plus possible second room saturday november 12 8pm-6am nashville tennessee exact location t.b.a. all ages til midnite no alcohol 18+ midnite til 6 am directions/info lines: nashville BAM (615) 780-3730 memphis lil' june (901) 363-9831 lexington bluegrass (606) 281-4193 knoxville velocity (615) 558-1044 louisville IMSMARTRU (502) 569-1969 st. louis superstars (314) 994-1114 indy Groovus Maximus (317) 899-8100 cincinatti yum yum (513) 648-9647 chattanooga insomniac (615) 954-2313 chicago vibe alive (312) 604-1978 richmond, va insomnia (804) 756-7243 new york groove line (212) 696-8938 new york essence (212) 547-7118 atlanta chamber of dreams (404) 250-8230 email: anodeBAM@aol.com coming in january 1995 "rejoice" with mystic bill/dieselboy and others! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 12 NOVEMBER Saturday CHICAGO HOME november 12, 1994 H O M E a celebration of art, music and technology generated from the midwest area * * * KEVIN SAUNDERSON inner city "reece project" k.m.s. records, detroit techno godfather ROBERT ARMANI chicago: circus bells, acv int. (italy), dancemania (chicago) from minneapolis ESP WOODY MCBRIDE labworks records, germany magnetic north records u.k. communique records CARL CRAIG detroit, planet e. communications r&s records, belgium +----------- d-jax up beat crew -----------+ | | | ARMANDO | | straight outta | | da warehouse! | | muzique records | | | | MIKE DEARBORN | | "unpredictable" minimalist master | | | | PAUL JOHNSON | | "welcome to the warehouse" | | warehouse records (chicago) | | | +------------------------------------------+ DERRICK CARTER organico records, blue cucaracha pure chicago HYPERACTIVE chicago: new school acid drop bass, u.c., contact BLAKE BAXTER new school detroit JEDIDIAH drop bass terror unit D.WYNN detroit: k.m.s. tramsmat records +---chicago's house preservation society---+ | | | DAVEY DAVE | | hps records, modern project | | hard house crossover | | | | GENE FARRIS | | from da original powerplant | | relief records | | | | DIZ | | true westside | | underground | | | | MYSTIC BILL | | tweaked, physics, | | kind family project | | | +------------------------------------------+ \/====== jeep beats ======\/ PHANTOM 45 digitized drum n bass R.P. SMACK angelic anthems SNUGGLES the predator /\========================/\ ::::::: excursions in ambient house :::::::: :::::::: atmospheric audio chair ::::::::::: : : : TOM PAZEN : : : : MILES MAEDA : : : : JOSH WERNER : : : :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: funk & habit lounge with G. MOST bringin down the acid jazz hip hop/reggae +----------------live pa's-----------------+ | | | MODERN PROJECT | | "intellegent house" | | | | METHOD ONE | | "for your mind" | | | | 2BS 00083 | | "innovative analog" | | | | TRIPPER INFORMATION SYSTEMS | | "if you're looking for trouble, | | you've come to the right place" | | | +------------------------------------------+ * HOME will feature the largest mix of musical talent ever assembled under one roof, showcasing some of the best dj's and producers in the world * VENUE: Home will be held in a fresh 50,000 square foot LEGAL venue and will feature 4 rooms (2 main rooms), ambient room and a vending hall * SOUND: 2 pa rigs by Diversified Audio, totalling over 60,000 wts. * LIGHTING: mind blowing lighting reality by world renowned lighting programmer DAVID GANDY, featuring the latest in I-Beam technology * laser light show featuring 5 watt & 1.5 watt argons * TECHNOLOGY: Cybernauts Union #47 presents the complete multi- media cyber action lounge. Experience true multimedia and virtual reality * Fashion & Funk by UNTITLED sending out the hottest threads * Smart Bar by Get-Smart (Detroit), TXE LABS (Chicago) * Visuals by CTEK, live video mixing by Video Drugs * ALL PERMITS SECURED, ALL ACTS CONFIRMED presale tickets on sale for $13 only in Chicago at UNTITLED - 2657 N. Clark Chicago, IL 60614 312.404.9225 day of tickets on sale for $15 Info Lines: 312.604.1978 chicago 312.509.6453 312.604.1796 708.786.3995 chi. suburbs 313.730.2202 detroit 309.757.5323 iowa 414.777.3998 milwaukee 414.777.EXTC 513.647.9647 cincinnati 314.994.1143 st. louis 314.994.1114 608.283.3357 madison 612.458.7081 minneapolis 612.946.5938 317.399.8100 indianapolis in our efforts in bringing quality events to the chicagoland area, we'd like to stress the importance in creating a positive enviro- ment, a place where everyone is equal as well as important, a place everyone can call home... we would like to thank everyone currently working on making this event possible as well as those who regularly attend our events, we would also like to thank those who travel the distance to the house capital of the world. we are one housenation, under god, undergound... vibe alive / ripe / aps international ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 12 NOVEMBER Saturday MILWAUKEE PUSH Saturday, Nov 12, 1994 Milwaukee (city) WI WMSE's LateNite Beet Generation presents ... PUSH DJ's... DJ toby tyler ... Revolutions music & clothing Acid boy todd p ... IRS Synergy ... Quadrasonic/Massive JJ Jellybean & MC Blackeye ... CHA Massive / Junga Vibe Destro ... Rockford DJ Stevn Kaye ... WMSE latenite beet generation PLUS a live performance from DR. YANU. Massive Psound by Psycho Acoustic Full intelligent lighting by Laser Bob Film loops by EFEX Drinks by Waterworks $7 presale $8 door info lines (414)7773982 ... (414)5481973 ... (414)2776942 all proceeds benefit WMSE's transmitter upgrade. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 18 NOVEMBER Friday MILWAUKEE KEOKEE Fun House Productions, and Elmo bring you: (that is, if I get him back this weekend in Iowa) _-KEOKEE-_ With the talents of: Spore EBP Ramylson Jeffery Dee And special guests: Synergy Jannick More to be announced... Happening in the Milwaukee area, this party takes place with the spirit of fun and happiness in mind. Directions will be posted a few days before the event. If you have any questions, email 'butzke@uwplatt.edu', or call 608.342.3196 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 18 NOVEMBER Friday ST. LOUIS LUNAR LOVELAND Throw another shrimp on the LOR, cause St. louis is throwin' a pawty! Superstars of Love...Dialeighted Productions...Spiritual Groove Culture joining forces to bring you: --------------------[ L U N A R L O V E L A N D ]--------------------- friday, november 18th, 1994 dj's: astroboy mindrive jeremy reese jon williams robert armani eldon and mucho, mucho more! Dialeighted Productions: 314-567-2097 Soopahstahs of Luv: 314-994-1114 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 18 NOVEMBER Friday MEMPHIS SPACE ODESSY ( No info available -- Could someone please send me some? :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 18 NOVEMBER Friday QUAD CITIES SUPERSONIC EXSTASIS presents SUPERSONIC DJS: Dave Hollands (Indy) Mike Schroff (Indy) acid boy todd (Milwaukee) Yanu (Milwaukee) Scottie Miller (QC) Tony Giovannie (QC) DJ OX4 in the ambient room Lighting by CSE HEATED Warehouse location INFO:309.757.5323 & 312.509.4916 $7 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 19 NOVEMBER Saturday CHICAGO Untitled ST. ANDREWS HALL DETROIT LX PATER & DJ. LEWIS FROM THE ORB CALL (313) 961-MELT ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 19 NOVEMBER Saturday CHICAGO ALIEN LOVE uncertified bootleg A L I E N L O V E ten dollars san francisco JON WILLIAMS exploratory space alburquerque DJ ELDON celestial soul denver JOHN KESSEN harmonic trance MINDRIVE madison DIZ chicago MYSTIC BILL kind project and introducing the mushroom cloud: MARK FARINA mushroom jazz G MOST hip hop acid jazz MILES MAEDA ambient dub and a very special presentation by: STARWHEELS lights from the sky - david gandy sounds from the mind - diversified audio heartbeats by the tribe & people of rythm 312.509.5013 312.604.1978 314.994.1114 414.434.4214 612.458.7081 309.757.5323 313.730.2202 supported by love ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 19 NOVEMBER Saturday CHICAGO ACIDIC PYRAMYD Prepare yourselves for the happening. Sense Productions most exhilarating and creative endeavor to date. A CHICAGO prestigious and exciting space transformed into a mystical dreamworld of unparalleled sights and sounds. Saturday November 19, 1994 /\ / \ A C I D I C P Y R A M Y D / \ /________\ featuring HARDFLOOR - Frankfurt, Germany ** MAIN ARENA 1 ** DJ Tewn (Jungle Boy) Jedidiah (Milwaukee's Drop Bass Terror Unit) Phantom 45 (CHA Massive) Acid Boy Todd P (Milwaukee's Innovative Record Source) Oliver (Hardfloor/Warehouse Cologne, Germany) Terry Mullan (House Guru) Mindrive (Madison's Erotishock Inc.) ** SHOWCASE ARENA 2 ** David Hollands (Indianapolis) Bob-a-Dob (Cincinnati) Oliver (Warehouse, Germany) Dreamer (Cleveland) Shaft (Cleveland) DJ Angstrom (Cleveland) JJ Jellybean plus Chicago's Best DJs! LIVE PA'S BY: Featuring for the first time ever in the midwest on Harthouse Records from Frankfurt, Germany HARDFLOOR For the first time ever, on Drop Bass, U.C. and Concact Records HYPERACTIVE On Labworks, Germany from Minneapolis, MN 4D LIGHT SHOW DESIGNED TO TAKE YOU THERE AND BACK AGAIN!! BY: P.A.W.N. "Laser & Entertainment Spectacular" Philadelphia, PA EYEGASM "Lighting Magician" United States 312.918.9084 sense productions 708.581.3200 xATP suburbs atp 414.777.EXTC milwaukee - massive 414.777.3998 milwaukee - drop bass network 608.258.0003 madison - erotishock inc. 313.358.7301 detroit - mind dance inc. 612.946.5938 minneapolis - disco family plan 314.994.1114 st. louis - superstars of love 317.899.8100 indianapolis - sin productions 303.575.1149 denver - come together 816.374.5848 kansas city - come together 513.648.9647 cincinnati - yum-yum 516.547.7118 new york - kort & greg 617.731.7214 boston - family network 804.768.2000 virginia - trance-fused 919.787.7132 north carolina - pet monster 404.496.4343 atlanta - sunshine 216.238.1451 cleveland - funky alien gizmos All DJs and Live Acts listed have been selected by Sense for their own individual style and music versatility. We try very hard to please each and everyone of you. And in doing so, we hope you will enjoy the musical content of all Sense events. Write to us and tell us what you would like to see & what DJs you would like to hear. P.O. Box 10168 Chicago IL 60610-0168. Sense Productions audio tapes on sale! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 19 NOVEMBER Saturday MINNEAPOLIS MAY FLOWER (pre flyer) V A N D A L productions presents ""MAY FLOWER"" saturday nov 19 1994 minneapolis mn 612.649.4575 612.659.6319 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 23 NOVEMBER Wednesday CINCINNATI PILGRIMAGE DJ Bob-A-Dob/Still Fresh Productions presents: The Thrid Annual Thanksgiving-Eve Party PILGRIMAGE Wednesday, November 23, 1994 Cincinnati Ohio DJ's Derrick Carter (Organico Recording Artist from Chicago) DJ Bob-A-Dob (Clubhead Records, Cincinnati Ohio) DBX (of Plus 8 Records, Detroit) As well as other local dj's to follow For additional information call the Yum-Yum line at: 513.648.9647 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 25 NOVEMBER Friday PITTSBURGH ALL NATURAL Millenium Productions Presents: A L L N A T U R A L Where Society fades into a laughable memory... Shocking but true!!! You'll have to see it to believe it!!! 9pm-9am Live & Direct Line-up All Killer No Filler: DJ's Steve Loriah (L.A., Stress Records West Coast Progressive Acid House) Metatron (London, UK, Praxias Records Head Honcho) Scott Forbush (Cleveland, Wanker Records, Hardest Fastest Man in the Biz) Deadly Buda (Pittsburgh, King of the Nightime World) Terry Kicks (Pittsburgh, Thumping House God of Thunder) 1.8.7 (Pittsburgh, The Livest PA in the U.S. of A) Spike (Pittsburgh, The Upstage Mon. and Sat. nights) Buda (Pittsburgh, Bringer of Flowers and Pulsating Joy) Visonary Visuals by Eyegasm Panoramic Projections by Zamecnik Second Room Ambient and Poetry, Mellow grooves and Trancey rhythms from Pittsburgh's freshest new DJ's! Pittsburgh's Premier of The KickSquad Revolving SoundSystem "Warning: This is no joke. We highly recommend hearing protection. Ignore this recommendation at your own risk & responsibility." The David Apocalypse Show (The Circus Ringleader Returns) Everyone is welcome but this event has a limit of 850 tickets. Get 'em early -- This event WILL reach capacity. Maps & Location information availble ONLY on the day of the evnt at Ticket Locations or call the *NEW* Millenium Infoline @: 412.734.8994 Tickets availible in: @ phone Pittsburgh - Oakland Teleropa 412.621.2144 Collectors 12" 412.682.4033 Azis 412.683.8593 - Southside Slacker 412.381.3911 Revolutions 412.488.6227 - North Hills Record Rama 412.367.7330 - Forest Hills Future Sounds 412.351.3221 Cleveland - Deep Records 216.382.3101 Columbus - World Record 614.297.7900 Harrisburg - Checkered Past 717.561.8898 Lancaster - Checkered Past 717.299.6220 Baltimore - Modern Music 410.523.1882 Washington, DC - Music Now 202.338.5638 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 25 NOVEMBER Friday MINNEAPOLIS CELESTIAL GROOVES (pre flyer) C E L E S T I A L G R O V E S funky ass dance BEATS nov 25 1994 DEE-JAYS TBA USUAL PRODUCTIONS----------1.800.803.8520 mpls minnesota ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday MORGANTOWN BIG UNDERGROUND GROOVE DJ's Richie Rich (NYC) dieselBoy (Pittsburgh) DJ Sun (Baltimore) Finger (Pittsburgh) Live PA by: 1.8.7 (Pittsburgh) More DJ's to be confirmed. Call 304.291.3975 for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday DETROIT FIASCO _____ / ___| / / _ | | |_| | | | |____ _ ____ ________ _____ _______ | ____| | | |___ \ / _______| / ____| / ___ \ | | | | \ \ / / / / / / \ \ | | | | ___/ \ \ \_______ | | | | | | | | | | / ___ | \ _____ \ | | | | | | | | | | / / | | \ \ | | | | | | | | | | | |__/ | ______/ / \ \____ \ \___/ / |__| |_| \____/|_| |_______ / \_____| \_______/ ____________________________________________________________________ |____________________________________________________________________ a p o o r b o y production >>detroit 11.26.94<< the sound of the detroit underground: mike huckaby (recordtime's hard house alchemist) claude young (detroit's darkest house/traxx back from the outback) ~sines (crispy cymbals from columbus oh) heckle & jeckle (bileebob & paris--tag team breaks/traxx champions) jazz/slo-breaks room with spinnin' sorcerer brian gillespie live digital/analogue integration by columbus' chillmasters: A.mbience R.ecovery S.ystem 6540 Hasting info 810.901.5052 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday AKRON IMAGINE Reality Is Limited Imagination is Boundless.... IMAGINE Audio Navigators Keoki (Disco 2000/NYC) James Christain (NYC) DJ Odyssey (Subb-Toronto/Eternal) Sleepy C (Psychoactive-Deep/Eternal) Algo-Rhythm (Subb-Toronto) G-Wiz (Baltimore) More Info and DJ's to Come! For more info call 216.971.9010 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday CHICAGO LOVE REVOLUTION Saturday Nov. 26, 1994 Diversified Funk, Vibe Alive, and RIPE bring you Love Revolution Micro - (nyc) Felix da house cat - (detroit) Mystic Bill & Davey Dave doin a tag team thang Gene Farris Mike Dearborn Spun Mindrive this event will be in chicago more info will be posted later. js784592@pucal.bitnet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday MINNEAPOLIS RHYTHM November 26th in da beautiful metropolis of Minneapolis Color X presents ------------------------------- - - - RHYTHM - - - ------------------------------- Featuring the vinyl Sounds of: --Wade Randolph Hampton-- --------Synergy-------- --------Waxee-------- ------E Tones------ ------Earth------ --Alex Jarvis-- watch this space for a voice mail connection rock it like dat ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday CHICAGO UNIVERSAL LOVE saturday, november 26, the midwest unites once again to release its... U N I V E R S A L L O V E forward the positive energy DJ ONIONZ.............caffiene new york MYSTICAL INFLUENCE....dub plate enthusiast / top jungalist draw MIKE DUNN.............djax rythm control / holland chicago JOSH WERNER...........jango house / chicago original DJ SNIPER.............fat controllers / toronto's own syrous massive MC EZ................. MINDRIVE..............acid funk WILDCHILD.............intelligent ASTROBOY..............that deep trance shit, st. love DR. GROO..............ill state jungalist JJ JELLYBEAN..........visionary DJ TRAXX..............chicago definition of house MC DR NO..............special guest MYSTIC BILL...........house preservation society DAVEY DAVE............ SNUGGLES..............chicago's jungalist cha kru DJRP.................. THE PHANTOM 45........ two rooms of 100% ood music and crystal clear sound by DIVERSIFIED AUDIO, massive LAX - SLACK chill out area featuring free h2o and veggie food. beautiful posiitive feeling aided by our human ambient personnel: riverman, the tribe, and the wiseman. massive display of 3d projections, visual haze, and filmloops by OPTIQUE. i-beam technology and retina frying lasers by DAVE CANDY. the airhorn - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! flea market featuring smart mart/brain salon, massive inflatables, and body painting by GLORIA. 312.509.6453 chicago 407.839.6050 orlando 312.604.1978 407.277.7635 708.786.3995 suburbs 606.281.4193 lexington 414.256.1342 milwaukee 404.496.4343 atlanta 414.777.3998 416.599.3851 toronto 608.283.3357 madison 416.586.0380 317.895.4546 indianapolis 905.823.9301 317.899.8100 416.760.3273 612.458.7081 minneapolis 071.437.0478 u.k. 612.946.5938 071.267.4479 612.649.4768 0865.254.0476 314.994.1143 st. louis 0344.412.249 314.994.1114 319.337.7712 iowa 901.393.9831 memphis 313.417.4709 detroit 216.238.1451 cleveland 617.859.3605 boston 212.631.1023 n.y.c. 513.648.9647 cincinnati ripe / vibe alive ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 03 DECEMBER Saturday DETROIT CONTACT ============================================================================ ___ ___ _______ / \ / /\ / __ /\ _______ ______ / /\ \ / / \_______ / /\/ / \_______ _______ / ___ /\ / __ /\/ / \ \/ / /__ ___/\/ /__/ / / ___ //__ __/\ / /\ /_/ / / / / /__/ \____/ / /\ /__/ \/__/ / /\ /_/ \/ /\ / / \__\ / / / / \ \ /\ \ / / \_\ \ \ \ / / \__\ / / \_/ \ \__/ / \ \_\ \ /\ \ / \ \ /\ \ / \ \ /\ \ \ \__/ / /\ \ / \____/__/ \_____\/ \__\/ \___\/ \_\/ \__\/ \__\/\____/__/ \_\/ saturday december 3rd detroit ============================================================================= featuring the live and direct jungle madness of detroit's very own H e c k l e and J e c k l e tearing up the dance floor on four turntables, Chicago's M y s t i c B i l l and D a v e y D a v e and superstar detroit dj's J e r e m e y T i m B a k e r C h u c k H a m p t o n call 810.746.3338 for more event info.... -----> net.raver discount! Two for One! call or email us at hcmk@jwkorth.com or hcmk@umich.edu to be put on the list brought to you by the treetown familee massive ============================================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 03 DECEMBER Saturday LOUISVILLE EVOLUTION EVOLUTION, technosaurus dieselboy lenny d scott henry terry mullan mike huckaby mark farina there will also be a second room with house early and ambient later info at 502.569.1969 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10 DECEMBER Saturday MADISON DEEP FREEZE Flipside Productions invites you to chill at D E E P F R E E Z E Saturday December 10th 1994 in So. Central WI with DJ's: JOHN AQUAVIVA definitive/stickman/plus8 detroit REESE astralwerks new york live performance by ESP comminuque/drop bass minneapolis JETSTREAM detroit EFEX chicago MINDRIVE madison DENEB waupun Sound and lights by Badger Refreshmentz by Cottonmouth this is a map point event 608.283.3116 612.946.5938 admission is $12/$10 ** pre-flyer only ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10 DECEMBER Saturday NASHVILLE FUNKOPOLIS December 10th 1994 in Nashville : F U N K O P O L I S Confirmed DJ's : John Debo (Boston) stress / Mindwarp DB (NY) NASA / Smile comm. Micro (NY) Progression / Sorted Records King Brett (Phily) Ovum Recording Scott Richmond (NY) Satellite Production Net Chip B (Nashville) B.A.M. Terry Mullan (Chicago) Vibe Tribe Larry (Nashville) VINN Spridel (Delaware) long awaited return Ambiant room by CCP (Memphis) Funk room : Humpty and Knuckl Head promotional give aways by above Labels Sound by : Sound-O-Mighty Intelligent Lights by : Maxximum S & L, Inc Visuals by : Factory Visuals (Florida) Funk clothes by : J Squared Smart bar by : IMSMARTRU Info : 615.780.3730 E-mail : AnodeBAM@aol.com MaxximumSL@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10 DECEMBER Saturday FARGO SINERGY ______ _____ _____ ____ / | |\ | | | \ / \ \ / \______ | | \ | |___ |_____/ | \ / \ | | \ | | | \ | -- | ______ / | | \| |_____ | \ \____| | 12.10.94 Fargo, North Dakota DJ's - your favorite mw-raves net dj's Cost - free for net kids and anyone who comes with you I will find a place for ya to krash. info - 218.236.3085 or e-mail me (honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 17 DECEMBER Saturday APPLETON LIQUID LOVE the liquid love tribe invite you to come be immersed in... L I Q U I D L O V E with baptismal grooves provided by: DAVID HOLLANDS muncie, in EFEX chicago KENNY GINO memphis, tn MYSTIC BILL chicago DAVEY DAVE chicago GENE FARRIS chicago MARTIN FRYMIRE chicago AL G milwaukee DJ Q green bay DJ MILKMAN green bay live p.a. by: TRIPPER INFORMATION SYSTEMS full smartbar by: WATERWORKS lines: 414.777.EXTC massive magazine (the underground is massive) 414.939.0473 liquid love line (liquid love spreads better) ..stay tuned for more lines, info, and other special guest djs supported by: pavalon rx, massive magazine, network 10, serotinin protocol, liquid love tribe, vibe alive ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 17 DECEMBER Saturday MINNEAPOLIS RECESS --------======================================================-------- ....Unik Communikations.... ....is proud to present.... --------======================================================-------- ---==== R ... E ... C ... E ... S ... S ====--- December 17th, 1994 in Minneapolis, MN _-_ The Playground Monitors _-_ :--> T-1000 <--: :--> Ralphie Dee <--: :--> DJ Apollo <--: :--> DJ JT <--: :--> E-Tones <--: ... introducing the new skool ... :--> DJ FK <--: :--> DJ Natas <--: :--> DJ Whatever <--: groovy lights and sound by Purple Ghost da info line -=- i_6i2_429_3205 --------======================================================-------- .... Be there or be somewhere else .... --------======================================================-------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 17 DECEMBER Saturday PITTSBURGH TRANSENDENCE II T R A N C E N D E N C E IIIII IIIII III III III III IIIII IIIII T H E A F T E R L I F E Lineup: (Junglists and Househeads take notes!) Chris Fortier (Orlando) G-Wiz (Baltimore) dieselBoy (Pittsburgh) Ruffian (Pittsburgh) Groovemasta (Pittsburgh) DJ Bit/Induction (Houston/Pittsburgh) DJ Kevin (Pittsburgh) And possibly: Overload (Boston) Live PA by: 1.8.7 (Pittsburgh) Call the FUEL/Trancendence Productions Line for more info: 412.734.1467 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 31 DECEMBER Saturday MEMPHIS COMMUNICATE CCP presents : -------Communicate-------- in Memphis, December 31st, 1994 DJ's to be posted later on. Sound and ligths by Maxximum S & L Info : 901.454.9972 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 31 DECEMBER Saturday MINNEAPOLIS FUTURE the D I S C O F A M I L Y P L A N invites you into the FFFFF U U TTTTT U U RRR EEEEE F U U T U U R R E FFF U U T U U RR EEE F U U T U U R R E F UUUU T UUUU R R EEEEE december 31st in MINNEAPOLIS MN <<>> --------------------------------------------- ESP NICK NICE T-1000 HYPERACTIVE MIND DRIVE MERLIN MR. BILL E-TONES ROZ DRONE ALEX APOLLO EARTH ********************************************* much much bass +sound and atmosphere design by 4d+ 360degrees of far out light deelies +this is a pre flyer+look outside+ +special commemorative 7" record release on communique records usa "speed o light"+ the westernmost outpost of a unified midwestern tri-city celebration MPLS+CHICAGO+MILWAUKEE 6 1 2 . 9 4 6 . 5 9 3 8 NEW YEARS EVE 1994 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> a 12 hour marathon of pure fun! M I N N E A P O L I S PSCENIC seeing feelings bloom. this event enjoys support from... -generator records detroit -the order of the trance -contact records chicago -cynesthasia -drop bass records -nexxxt -communique records -underground construction records celebrating how far we've come... and how far we've yet to go -please no alcohol-peace <<------------------------------------------>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 14 JANUARY Saturday ATHENS ATTRACTION AtTrAcTiOn Friday, January 13. Saturday, January 14. Sunday, January 15 Athens, Ohio. at Ohio University a net.raver gathering extrordinaire. open tables, lots of schmoozing, and people!!!!!! and it's all FREE. i've had some people say they wanna spin, no problem. eveyone is invited, if you got something to share, the stage is yours. this event will happen Like This: Friday night--> ppl arrive, chill. we schmooze. Saturday afternoon--> music starts, continues all day Saturday night--> music will be turned down later that night, noise factors. schmoozing continues. Sunday--> sleep, go home, help becca clean up. :) sound good to everyone? good! :) this will be hyped up more later. i'll be in spain the whole month of december, that's why this is going out so early. *huGs* to all Becca Maslow rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu little elf :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 04 FEBRUARY Friday MEMPHIS ABDUCTION [event postponed from Friday October 21 - Craig] [and then again postponed from Friday November 18 - Craig ] CCP presents in Memphis February 4th, 1995 : *******Abduction********* DJ's to be posted later on Sound and Lights by Maxximum S&L, inc ----------------------------------------------------------------------- === MWRaves Miscellaneous =============================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- POSTS: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu REQUESTS: listserv@csd.uwm.edu FTP: hyperreal.com:raves/mw alpha1.uwm.edu:pub/mw-raves GOPHER: hyperreal.com WWW: http://hyperreal.com VRAVE: telnet hyperreal.com 7283 IRC: #rave PROBLEMS: archon@acid.com ----------------------------------------------------------------------- === listserv REQUESTS =================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The REQUESTS address above takes the following commands in the body of your mail: unsub mw-raves unsubscribe sub mw-raves your_name subscribe set mw-raves mail digest get daily digested form of list instead unsub mw-raves-cal unsubscribe from calendar ONLY list sub mw-raves-cal your_name subscribe to calendar ONLY list The calendar available from the listserv@csd is _old_ and will not be updated until further notice. Please either FTP/Gopher/WWW to the above sites, or send mail to mw-raves-cal@acid.com and the current calendar will automatically be sent to you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================ bottom ================================= ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 13:08:18 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id IAA19017; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 08:08:11 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id HAA03946; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 07:07:02 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 07:07:02 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: lollipop@m-net.arbornet.org Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jennifer Lynn Hill To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: sex and rave relationships X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I gotta rave pick up line, but it is not a serious one... Since everyone calls me lollipop, I just say 'wanna lick my sukka??; Works everytime =) =) *giggle* jen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 13:52:24 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id IAA19691; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 08:52:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id HAA04892; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 07:50:46 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 07:50:46 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jwelch@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MrJP To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: prozac X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, Ellen Steuer wrote: > > i am just womdering what you all think about it. good? bad? addictive? > government plot? let me know. thanks. > > l8r > > ellen > Whats that stuff called in Future Shock.......hmmm I can't remember.........I really think it's sort of scary stuff.......just because so many people are on it......It's sort of weird......The world can't be that bad.....and if t is it says alot about our culture if we choose to take prozac rather than fix it..........I bet it makes us more reseptive to the secret msgs that they are sending though the TV...:)............But I really do think that it's sort of scary......I'm sure there are people who really need it but as many that are on it now....hmmmmm that just doesn't seem normal..........Maybe if we all started hugging strangers and kissing our friends not as many people would be on it.......God that sounded like such a hippie thing to say....ahhhhhh........... MrJP MOre Prozac For everyone!!!!!!! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 14:20:25 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id JAA20241; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:20:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA05288; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 08:15:26 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 08:15:26 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: really now X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO im so surprised at how few people can brew a good pot of coffee these days. and im getting so confused about how to do it myself now...i cant remember... is it 3 teaspoons per pot or 5 or 1 tablespoon every 2 cups or what? please help me!!!!!!! im cracking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i have a 8am-4pm job now!!!!!!! dan. dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 15:03:37 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA21016; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 10:03:30 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA05701; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 08:58:38 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 08:58:38 -0600 Message-Id: <10NOV94.10740546.0038.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MKAMMERE@NMU.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Kammerer, Mark J" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: prozac X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > >i am just womdering what you all think about it. good? bad? addictive? >government plot? let me know. thanks. > >l8r > >ellen I've never tried it but have been close to alot of people that have. I think it is a big scam and I think it is very toxic. One friend of mine was on it and didn't seem to be experiencing any change in mood and when she told her doctor he doubled the prescription to two a day instead of one and she still didn't feel anything but he kept telling her she had to take it. That was a sixty dollar a month prescription by the way. Then she quit taking it and felt exactly the same. I don't think the people who subscribe prozac know about how good it makes you feel to dance all night to mega-bass beats on or off of A & E. Mark Josef From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 15:58:55 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA22296; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 10:58:45 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA06589; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:54:52 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 09:54:52 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mudd@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dweezle Christ To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: prozac X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO prozac is a fairly strong anti depresant(speed) It is not recommended that u use it for this purpose (it's not that great) but what it is bood for is as an additve to E. When E'in u should 20 mgs about three hours in. Wht it will do is re introduce the saratonin to your brain that normally is cut off because of the E. This has no impact on the trip, but what it helps is coming down( eliminates the stupids) and in the long run, will help in NOT making u senile. __________________________________________________________________________ _ mudd@um.cc.umich.edu < > \___/ ^+ +^ ' \_/ ' "God will bless you if you belive" ] / \ [ -Eddie 'Flashin' Fowlkes \|/ (|) + + __________________________________________________________________________ On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, Ellen Steuer wrote: > > i am just womdering what you all think about it. good? bad? addictive? > government plot? let me know. thanks. > > l8r > > ellen > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 16:05:39 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA22455; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:05:29 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA06880; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 10:02:06 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 10:02:06 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: tanksley@turing.uncg.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: William Tanksley To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ** ALGORHYTHM 11.19.94 !!! ** X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ALGORHYTHM 11.19.94 -------------------------------- This is an invitation to come drop the bomb in Southwest Virginia with fluid motion, sound and lights. You have invited us to your festivities, now we invite you to one of ours... DJ's: Jason Jinx (n.y.c.) Chris Gallagher (atlanta) Mr. Bill (greensboro) Derek Tiffany (trance-fused, richmond) Usul (algorhythm) Soundwave (charlotte) Hunter (insomnia, richmond) Chad-E (insomnia, richmond) Dr. Pepper (blacksburg) Spice (sonic life, roanoke) 18,000 square feet of hard-wood at a newly-renovated skating rink in Christiansburg, Va. Skate rentals will be available. Adventure Information (*denotes ticket sales) *Baltimore / Modern Music / (410)523-1882 *Charlotte / Repo Records / (703)334-7376 Duncan / Charlottesville / (804)961-8107 Christiansburg / Club Info / (703)382-8511 *D.C. / Music Now / (202)338-5638 NYC / Liquid Sky / (212)343-0532 *611 Records / Philadelphia / (215)413-9100 *Radford / Palukaville / (703)639-5383 Basic Geometry / Raleigh / (919)571-5557 Insomnia / Richmond / (804)961-8107 *Trancefused / Richmond / (804)768-2000 $12.00 at door. Call Infolines for Directions. Tribal America - Sm:)e communications - waveform - logic - moonshine music -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 16:55:31 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA23771; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:55:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA07500; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 10:51:56 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 10:51:56 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJB8TK0T5EHYTLL9@BSUVC.bsu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: 00tjcrawford@bsuvc.bsu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: 00tjcrawford@bsuvc.bsu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Brooklyn Bridge is Raving Mad, Raving Mad... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Howdy gang and all that, Just returned from my recent journey to NYC to rock with the Brooklyn bad boys under their most famous landmark. But before I tell you the gooey insides, a quick couple of quirks. Sex: Hmm. Yes, I'm for it. Potassium: Somebody mentioned potassium as a remedy for those to far from their senses, I thought it was niacin that did the trick. Anyone (Mr. Chemist) have the scoop? I *will* be at the Utopia pre-party, very pre. So Greg, Jen Hill's roomie, picks up Veronica in Chicago, picks me up in Muncie and we proceed to meet JJ at a sorry excuse for a vibe in Cincinnati called Phase III. The space worked great, the DJ's especially DJ dB and Boomer (Omegaman) brought great tunes, the Sound was immaculate, the lighting was at least par, The promotions had been at least average from what I saw... But only 250 people with their faces in their hands... What gives? It was like somebody put Valium and Everclear in the Smart drinks - :| Surely this was over soon enough, and, since JJ never made it to Cincy (he's a T-shirt makin' fool), we went to pick him up after the party. From there, he drove us to pick up Jessie (V-rave) in Columbus and our party of 5 headed straight (all day) to the Brooklyn Bridge. We set up in a hurry and Scott Richmond ushered me to a sound system in need of a DJ. Very cool to be spinning under the Brooklyn Bridge. This place was quite romantic. 6 or 7 of these narrow halls, all adjacent in some way with these really high cathedral-style arched ceilings. 3 rooms had sound systems, so clean, so clear. And all of them had some sort of special lighting. Full-on Golden Scan 3's or Super Zoom Scan's, several large video screens and film loops (fucking everywhere you looked) and even a full scale multi-color laser show with *seating*, actual seating near the projectors so you could sit a spell & enjoy without being on the floor. When I arrived Odi and Sprout were had some great trance moving in the techno room. The house room, which was identical in production and size, had ???'s last record playing and right then Terry Mullan took over. Terry slammed with his usual zeal. Later Terry gave the reings to Steve Loria from Beat Non-Stop in LA who provided groovy, Stress-label type prog house. After an hour and a half he surrendered to Mark Farina, who spun he and Derrick's trademark house-grooves. Meanwhile, in the Techno room, Smile comm's Flagship techno artists Liquid Air ROCKED. Very musical Acid-tech with their very funky rhythms and building style. If you have their music, this version of it came across a bit harder. And it was totally live, no DATs. So clean and expressive for the machines...... We all applauded. After their tranced out set, Brooklyn Homie Jimmy Crash made very much noise. People went fucking crazy! Screaming for all the records, hands in the air, chanting shit! Personally, I didn't like the records, not much music, and pretty simple rhythmically. Oh well - people were groovin' - I've never felt a vibe like this in NYC. I thought it impossible, every room was packed, every room was dancing. Jimmy only let the momentum move forward by turning it over to Frankie Bones. His quote, "The only thing more Brooklyn than this party is me!" Aah, yah. Frankie Bones gave way to Net's Mr. Kleen - the coolest records. One of the party's organizers. New sounding and trancy-building. Simply great. His set left only for Scott Henry to close the night... This was my first time hearing him, but I thought he played houseish stuff. This was much better, PhunkEE-techbeats. yah. It reminded me of the early 80's electro funk I grew up with. Much applause. Back in the house room, Farina gave the housebeat-baton to party organizer Scott Richmond and he subsequently to Onionz. I missed this mostly due to my preoccupation with the techno room. It ended at 8:am sharp. Simply the best. The place, every room, was still full. I'm so glad to be working with these guys on New Years Eve in Atlanta - can't wait. We went to Liquid Sky and their record store, spent all of our money, and then cruised around Manhatten, took in some local pizza, and drove our tired, still awake from Cincy asses out of town. So...JJ and I are going to Baltimore Tonight for Fever's 2nd anniv. party. Anybody in the hood stop out and see us, cool? More then. See you at >Utopia fri. and at SIN's 2nd anniv. party in Indianapolis on Sat. Same place as the Deee-lite Afterhours. - 720 N. College - 317-895-4546. peace `til then, Yours In the Groove, Mind of the Perpetual Vibe, --David Hollands-- --Ball State University, Muncie, IN-- 24 Hr Indy Event Info 317.899.8100 Vox @ 317.288.6277 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 17:09:08 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA24087; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 12:08:59 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA07980; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:03:35 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:03:35 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: really now X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, InterLAB wrote: > > im so surprised at how few people can brew a good pot of coffee these days. > and im getting so confused about how to do it myself now...i cant remember... > is it 3 teaspoons per pot or 5 or 1 tablespoon every 2 cups or what? please > help me!!!!!!! im cracking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i have a 8am-4pm job now!!!!!!! > > dan. > > dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu > 414.256.1775 > > dan, buddy, somebody's got to take it easy there... lucky for you i work at a cappuccino place... it depends on how strong you like it...a 1/4 lb makes a bout 4 pots...but it also depends what size your pot is... personally, i have one of those 4 cup jobbies...i put in 4 heaping teaspoons...but you must also realize that that is just me...and as you know, i am one of those overly bouncy types...hehehe...and you must also recall as i mentioned in the last letter that i have gotten 7 HOURS OF SLEEP SINCE SATURDAY.... but i think you should just experiment a bit to find your coffee nitch...what works for me may not necesarily work for everyone.... gretchen :> have a hyper jittery day!!!! *8^> <-notice large eyes do to caffine overdose...ive consumed 2 pots already today...hehehehe...and you all wonder why i can dance all night with not even a H2O break...hehehe....drug free, too! (well, most of the time, ok? and yes, i know caffine is a drug...but dont start me...) gretchen e blount From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 17:10:19 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA24112; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 12:10:00 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA08098; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:07:30 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:07:30 -0600 Message-Id: <9411101706.AA12592@frith> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: telford1@egr.msu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: telford1@egr.msu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: topic to discuss X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Here's a quick one if anyone wants to pick it up. Why do we rave? I'm sure everyone has their own reasons and it kinda ties in the whole drugs/sex/ thing if you know what I mean. Being somewhat new to the list I'm kinda curious to what everyone has to say. Talk at ya' later. -john <:)= telford1@student.msu.edu telford1@egr.msu.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 17:31:29 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA24670; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 12:31:05 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA08532; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:27:52 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:27:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199411101727.MAA14544@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: atannehi@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Cameron Tannehill To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: why we rave X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO In response to the "why do we rave post"... I attend parties so that I can hear my favorite grooves and work my body to them-- that is the underlying reason I go... secondary to that is being able to hang tough with friends I only get to see in a party atmosphere. To say "wassup?", exchange a great/close/warm- occasionally sweaty=) hug, and to spread the vibe. On the drug tip, I usaully bring my own and enjoy them with friends. Outro: I really enjoy going to parties and I would like to make it more of a priority someday-- when I'm through with School, and am able to enjoy the r&r side of livin' later, Andy `'*._.*'`'*._.*'`'*._.*'`'*._.*'`'*._.*'`'*._.*'`'*._.*'`'*._.*'`'*._.*'` m i s t i c "music says things that words cannot...that is why it is not entirely human" -St. Colombe atannehi@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 17:32:27 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA24720; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 12:32:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA08615; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:29:41 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:29:41 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJBBNTIMKIAATXXS@delphi.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: JDPRINCE@delphi.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: JDPRINCE@delphi.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: I'm a homo raver X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Glad to see all the gay ravers coming out on the list and these posts lead me to believe the scene in the midwest is fairly accepting--is this true? Any negative experiences? Three months ago I moved up here (Springfield, IL) from Tallahassee, FL and haven't been able to get to any raves yet. (Ok, I was at Supernatural but after the rain flooded our tent and most of our stuff we gave up.) Anyway down in FL I remember one Orlando event in particular where my boyfriend and I got some pretty nasty looks and the most we did was me having my hand on his leg while resting in the chill out room; what about the "straight" couple in the corner who screwed for 'bout two hours? Mix all that up with us having taken _way_ too much shrooms (no more illicit drugs for me thanx--I'll stick to smart drinks for now on) and the night was pretty bad for a few hours. Though the location + music + lights + etc made up for it all. . . D-Mental From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 17:34:24 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA24773; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 12:34:14 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA08941; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:32:28 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:32:28 -0600 Message-Id: <199411101731.LAA03195@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: marmantr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mark T Armantrout To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Utopia pre and post, again X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO cathead here. About the Firstep2Utopia preparty and afterhours, again: 1320 South Walnut, Bloomington IN Once again, I'm at (812) 332-5708. Don't hesitate to call. If I'm not there, tell my housemates you need directions, tell them you know me (Mark) and they'll help you out. If you follow the directions Doc posted, to get to my place you do everything the same, except: Drive down Walnut, but don't go as far as the KOCOLENE. If you get to the KOCOLENE gas station, you've gone about four blocks too far. My house is a block or two *before* Hillside. I'm on the west side of the street. It's across the street (pretty much) from Kyle's. I'll try to have a colored light on the porch. Try parking across the street on Wilson (on the other side of Walnut from me.) Bring firewood, Please! (or some school books or old wooden chairs) Really looking forward to seeing anyone and everyone! oh - also: I hope to be taping all this stuff (it's my house!!) so if you want dubs of your set or your favorite dj's set, bring blanks. Or I can send you tapes later on, whatever! If you need to buy cigarettes before everything begins, stop on the square in bloomington, and visit Ear Wax on the SE corner of the square, on Kirkwood a little east of College and Walnut. They have those light-blue-packaged additive-free/chemical-free natural filtered cigarettes that I want all you smokers to smoke instead of those corporate things. Shoes for industry, caThead Thanks! Mark Armantrout (Cathead) AJUST 8 PHISH water, light, marmantr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu or marmantr@indiana.edu language, http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/marmantr.html sound, magic! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 17:38:36 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA24871; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 12:37:42 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA08997; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:33:02 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 11:33:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199411101731.LAA03348@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: believe@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: xlarge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: topic to discuss X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > >Here's a quick one if anyone wants to pick it up. Why do we rave? I'm sure >everyone has their own reasons and it kinda ties in the whole drugs/sex/ thing >if you know what I mean. Being somewhat new to the list I'm kinda curious to >what everyone has to say. Talk at ya' later. > >-john > <:)= i go for the friends, the music, the vibe, and the feeling of of being accepted. besides, ravers are just totally neat-o mosquit-o. :) xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 18:18:29 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA25967; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:18:14 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA09673; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 12:15:35 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 12:15:35 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJBAWRF0LU8Y7HYB@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CAMMARAT@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: more homo stuff :) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO well, the midwest scene is VERY VERY accpeting...at least from what I have seen...everyone basically lets everyone do what they want, how they want it...People here don't mind, really...everyone just does their own thing, and EVERYONE coexists gleefully.... Tigger (hey mr. springfield guy, I lived there for a semster my senior year of high school...I hope you find it more exciting than I did....SEE Ya'LL IN IOWA!!!!!) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 18:50:45 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA26881; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:50:11 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA10438; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 12:47:09 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 12:47:09 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: plastik@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Plus 8 Records To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: mw-raves CALENDAR 11.09.94 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Before FUK comes JAK. The 10th day of the 12th month. Detroit. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 19:14:18 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA27372; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:14:09 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA11097; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:10:56 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:10:56 -0600 Message-Id: <9411101909.AA08516@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Shawn DeVries) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: rock and roll X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I dunno Sex, drugs...... ______________________________________________________________________________ misfit-baloo-------shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu-------Shawn M. DeVries we are all in the same family Purdue University's proud representative of the Raving Engineers ______________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 19:21:25 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA27491; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:21:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA11348; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:18:20 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:18:20 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: help... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO okay...im leaving for iowa in about 2 hrs...if anyone is returning to chi-town on sat...please please let me know...it is very important that i get back home...its a family situation...and if anyone is going back there already it would be a helluva lot easier than the bus...or cab (hehehehe, just kidding,) i will pay gas money...if there is anyone ot there please respond...hopefully before 3...or even within the next 2 days in iowa... oh, i know i already posted this, but a few of the people i have spoken with on this list say they did not recieve my first post...i didnt mean to be annoying, just had to get my point across... see ya'll there! gretchen e blount From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 19:27:45 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA27587; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:27:39 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA11577; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:24:32 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:24:32 -0600 Message-Id: <9411101922.AA14256@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jwalden@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: jwalden@expert.cc.purdue.edu (jason) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: sex and rave relationships X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >> >>I gotta rave pick up line, but it is not a serious one... >>Since everyone calls me lollipop, I just say 'wanna lick my sukka??; >>Works everytime =) =) >>*giggle* >>jen >> Can I get a side order of pancakes wit dat? You go girl. :P By the way, I got mad twizzlaz for this weekend. -- (\\V//) (0 0) @----oOO---------(_)-----------------* | Jason Walden | | jwalden@expert.cc.purdue.edu | @-----------------------------oOO----* |__|__| || || ooO Ooo From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 19:29:21 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA27632; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:29:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA11664; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:26:04 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:26:04 -0600 Message-Id: <9411101925.AA21219@frith> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: telford1@egr.msu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: telford1@egr.msu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re:topic to discuss X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO well, already gotta couple answers to my question ( why do we rave?) so i though i'd turn in my to bits...basically i'm a complete and total junkie and i need my fix, music, good vibes, music, and people, did i say music?... going to a rave is like being with a family member whom you never met... you share something strongly in common with them, and tho' you'venever met tehm before, you're comfortable with them... i also DO need my fix... going to long w/o music and dancing i get agitated, annoyed and frustrated... i need to bust out... if i could sing paint or even write i'd be ok, but dancingis my only creative outlet and without it, i'mjust flat out unhappy... well thanks for all your responses, keep 'em coming... if anyone cares the reason i asked the question was because i needed to answere it myself. BUST OUT -john <:)= telford1@egr.msu.edu telford1@student.msu.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 19:55:18 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA28132; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:55:09 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA12546; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:53:08 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:53:08 -0600 Message-Id: <9411101951.AA26656@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Shawn DeVries) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Family Affair # X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ccould somebody repost the number for this thing? just in case we have a lapse and get lost... rad...... seeyas! shawn ______________________________________________________________________________ misfit-baloo-------shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu-------Shawn M. DeVries we are all in the same family Purdue University's proud representative of the Raving Engineers ______________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 20:07:57 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA28508; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:07:43 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA12911; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:05:45 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:05:45 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jwelch@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MrJP To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Family Affair # X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Family Affair NOV 11th Cedar Rapids IA DJs Josh Werner Sho Juicy Fruit Scott-E Matt Live TranceAmbient PA by DAC Crowell Sub-Sonic sound Lasers Film Loops Toys Fruit FacePainting InfoLines 319.337.7712 309.757.5323 319.277.4610 319.375.4376 I can't wait to see you all here......Weee....... MrJP From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 20:19:27 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA28777; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:19:10 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA13207; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:15:14 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:15:14 -0600 Message-Id: <9411102014.AA05413@isum1.iastate.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: tkearns@iastate.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Thomas M Kearns To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: family affair((help me please>> X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey everybody my name is Tom and I am here in Ames, Ia(Lames) and I am desperately looking for a ride to cedar rapids so I can go to family affair Friday night I know this is late notice but rides fell through and now I am looking at forking out 40 green ones to ride a bus, that is forty green ones I do not really have to spend but if I extremely have to I guess I will... anyway I was just wondering if there were going to be any Minnesotan's or Nebraskins or anybody at all that were going to be heading to Family Affair via I-35 or highway 30 that could pick me up. I do not really need a ride back just there and I already have a bed to sleep in when I get there so I do not need crash space any help would be much appreciated. I will pay for gas and if you want a cup of coffee or something I am all over it, plus I know Cedar Rapids very well and I can get you to just about wherever you need to go. Let me know. Plllleeease. my email address is tkearns@iastate.edu and I would owe you one hell of a favor I would be glad to repay. Later ****************************** T-Bone *************************************** "many think this is a secret too powerful to keep amongst the illuminati of the loft spaces" RJ Smith ... I agree , keep the revolution going ************************** tkearns@iastate.edu ****************************** From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 20:36:27 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA29131; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:36:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA13776; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:32:41 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:32:41 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJBFJPSGVIQPI06C@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Question/Answer. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Question: Why do you attend raves? (from 'telford1@egr.msu.edu') Answer: Personally, I attend events to escape from everything that has accumulated on me from school, parents, the world, you know it, it's there. I do it to lose myself in the music, the vibe, the friendliness that I meet, and to see the friends I don't see everyday. Oh, and to eat pancakes afterwards. :> Peace out, Ramylson From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 20:48:52 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA29488; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:48:23 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA14127; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:45:33 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:45:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199411102044.OAA00414@zariski.gac.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: swaterbu@gac.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: swaterbu@gac.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: sex and rave relationships X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hi's... i'm sure i'm really late on this haven't had much chance to read my mail lately ;{ but yes... i HAVE "...met another person at a rave and got into a relationship wiht the person..." and it has turned out quite well as mouse, mirror or earache will attend to 8} a great pickup line (i guess...it worked for me ;} is... "hey...ya want some water?" only use this if ya actually have some water tho this can be a good icebreaker ya can start talking (yelling) from here... the rest is up to you and your natural charm ;} <<^GUIDO^^>>>>> swaterbu@gac.edu..............8} From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 20:51:24 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA29534; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:50:55 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA14246; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:47:11 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:47:11 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: why we rave X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Oh you know it, it is for the SEX! Laugh, I get so much of it these days.. John SiN Massive.. PS: THis is a joke, so all of you that were going to kill me, just hold off till next time.. later ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 20:56:37 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA29607; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:56:23 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA14385; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:53:16 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:53:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199411102052.OAA21317@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: S987071@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Catherina Willard To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: why do we rave??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Music, Music, Music, Music, Music, Music, Music, Music, Music, Music, Music i love the lights and the people and the drugs and the sex and the sex and the sex and the drugs but i rave for the music... dancing all night to a beat that never quits... even at i-hop the next morning you've still got that beat pounding in your head. i hope it never goes away :P T From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 21:15:25 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA00181; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 16:15:08 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA14912; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:10:49 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:10:49 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: prozac X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hehe:) thansk for your input jason:) luv ya ellen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 21:26:37 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA00423; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 16:26:29 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA15170; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:23:57 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:23:57 -0600 Message-Id: <199411102123.PAA02291@poblano.gac.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: swaterbu@gac.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: swaterbu@gac.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: iowa etc. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO yes... it is for certain i WILL be in iowa this weekend i'm looking forward to finally meeting all the lovely little bees from the realm of mw-raves 8} also...in my last post "attend"=attest i've been mr. malaprop lately ;} sorry for the liquid stupidity ;P i'm really lookin forward to meetin jen 8} **after all this time*** more later... <<^GUIDO^^>>>>> swaterbu@gac.edu..........8} From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 21:37:21 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA00667; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 16:37:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA15650; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:33:45 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:33:45 -0600 Message-Id: <9411102131.AA11799@aug1> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: allen@augsburg.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: sex at raves X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > There is nothing quite >like having sex at a rave >with someone you trust, > >admire and respect........... >.......in love or not. > Sex too is a drug that >can lift you to heights of >EUPHORIA and X-tacy. > >*peace:)*hugs*etc........ > -Kim OK, there seems to be a pattern forming here of sex AT raves! My next obvious Q. is: WHERE/HOW have you had sex at raves before??? Any sticky (no pun intended) situations come up attempting this? (god that really was a bad one tho..) favorite places, times at raves? I have not actually attempted this, but I know it does happen. Actually I was propositioned once, at Pollination 1, but I was too out of it to even know whut to say... Allen.para! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 21:41:53 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA00730; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 16:41:40 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA15776; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:38:52 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:38:52 -0600 Message-Id: <9411102138.AA11928@aug1> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: allen@augsburg.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: mr. e-tones X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >please wish MR. E-TONES > >(best house dj of mpls) > >good luck tonight for a contest at the Saloon > >(a dance club here in mpls). > > >the contest is a spin-off for the best dj. the big prize is a >permanent spot to spin at the Saloon. > > >gotta go! Starts at 10p.m. > >GOOD LUCK, TONY! > > >/\/\ > \/ Sheri WOO WOOO! GO TONY GO TONY GO TONY!! I'll be there! Allen.para! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 22:04:05 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA01218; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:03:50 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA16236; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:59:46 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:59:46 -0600 Message-Id: <2ec295202f53004@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: satti002@maroon.tc.umn.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: satti002@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Chris Sattinger) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Ketamine X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Ketamine, as far as I know, is an animal tranquiliser. Usually injected, it has been found in wafers and such. It basically places you in a kind of reptilian state for several hours. I know of someone who would inject it and sit around completely paralysed for hours until he could bear to move. In smaller doses it simply shuts down certain parts of your brain leaving the more ancient, reptilian centers active. Similar to ether and nitrous but a little bit more severe. I have talked to other people who have taken it in more benign form and mixed it with e or whatever and they were quite operational but very weirded out. He told me a rather amusing story of having dosed about 30 people at a show in England, and slowly all these people figure out its not just e.... it gets pretty sick. icky. Chris Sattinger _ MONO ekagra From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 22:05:11 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA01238; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:05:02 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA16109; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:55:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:55:59 -0600 Message-Id: <9411102155.AA12248@aug1> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: allen@augsburg.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: fwd:Why non-rave topics? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I caught this on the SF-Raves list, and I thot it applied to our list as well; just substitute Mw-raves with Sf-raves everytime you see it and see if you agree. >From: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) >Subject: Why non-rave topics? >To: sfraves@hyperreal.com >Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 00:57:00 -0800 (PST) >Cc: larryc@netcom.com (Larry Ching) >X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Sender: owner-sfraves@hyperreal.com >Precedence: bulk > >( I'll be discussing ideas that might seem obvious to most of you , > but sometimes a stating of the unstated obvious is worthwhile ) >( I hope ). >Recently , Fred Huette posted some comments in reaction to the recent >heated exchanges over the political posts: >> >> ... We are among friends. Everyone deserves to blow off steam once in >> a while, so we can all reserve the right to do so when we feel the need. > > I think there has developed two groups of folks who subscribe to SFRAVES. >There are folks who are mainly here for news about parties , and don't >really want to establish any kind of friendship or acquaintance with >the other subscribers . For the sake of discussion , I will call this >group "Consumers". > > The other group has established friendships with other subscribers , and >tend to see SFRAVES as a place to share feelings and give "hugs" ( "hugs" >via jokes , special information , etc. ). Of course , this group is just >as interested as the Consumers in getting news about raves in the SF Bay >area. For the sake of discussion , I'll call this group "Pals". > >( In reality , an individual subscriber would fall somewhere in the > spectrum from Consumer to Pal. I would place myself on the Pal end > of the spectrum ). > > In the case where a major event of an upsetting nature occurs to a Pal , >they would feel free to post something concerning this on SFRAVES , since >friends talk about such things with each other - especially something >political , which affects us all , voters and non-voters alike. And , since >friends share good news as well , posts of an upbeat nature also get >posted by Pals. > > As Consumers may be in an email situation where time == money and "trash" >posts waste their time and costs them time charges , it may be understandable >that they may get impatient with posts that aren't strictly about raves >news . Sometimes , this impatience gets expressed in posts in reaction to >some non-rave thread. > >> It's one thing to point out that a discussion is getting off track. >> It's quite another to step up on the soap box, all bent out of shape >> and righteous, snapping about how this or that is off limits. Tone >> makes a big difference *because it says something important about intent*. >> NOBODY orders me what to say or not to say on the Internet, dammit. >> I strongly concur, however, that to make it all work we generally have >> to try and stay "on subject". But as I said, important events might >> very well intrude on our limited scope of discussion. >> > Internet newsgroups have a limited scope of discussion , by definition. >They're more efficient that way. But , SFRAVES is not a newsgroup. While >subscribers start out as Consumers , many of them become Pals. Unlike >the situation with many newsgroups , who have posters who will never meet >each other physically , the very nature of SFRAVES means that subscribers >will have multiple chances to meet each other at raves. > > And then there's the "community of love" issue regarding raves that is a >whole 'nuther discussion in itself - I mention it as an ambient concept >that makes some folks on SFRAVES feel more open to other ravers, and >therefore more open to other SFRAVES subscribers. > > FOR MYSELF , I would hate see SFRAVES be a cold-blooded collection of >messages about upcoming raves and rave reviews. However , there is an >option for the "hard-core" Consumers of SFRAVES - the weekly calender , >which condenses the upcoming rave information in a nice , neat , clean >bundle. As I remember , the calender can be subscribed to seperately, >so the fluff-laden SFRAVES discussion give-and/or-take can be avoided. >Of course , all the rave reviews are on SFRAVES . > > I haven't done an exhaustive study of the last few month's postings , but >I suspect most of the rave reviews posted on SFRAVES are by Pals . So , >based on this totally unsupported hypothesis - maybe Consumers should >consider the occasional "fluff" thread as the "price" to pay for getting >the latest rave news rumors and rave reviews on SFRAVES. ( Even if my >hypothesis is wrong , using the "price" concept as a working mental >sanity saver still has merit , I think ). > > Pals should remember to limit the non-rave posts . Consumers >( and Pals ) should keep in mind that unflamed threads die faster than >flamed threads , in my experience. > > > Those are my opinions - > > Larry Ching / larryc@netcom.com > > - peese like dat , Allen.para From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 22:06:30 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA01255; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:06:09 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA16538; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 16:01:25 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 16:01:25 -0600 Message-Id: <199411102200.QAA07240@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: THELME00@UKCC.UKY.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: tim To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: MW-RAVES digest 209 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO pretty lights, yeah. big speakers, noise, yeaaaaaahhhhh. oooh, the lights move, even. like that. lots of beautiful people. love those, too. acceptance from pretty much everyone there. that's why they're beautiful people, though. but frankly, it could be in the daytime. keep the speakers, 'cause we need to hear. but again, the lights aren't NECESSARY. and drugs are nice, but they have been off lately for me, since i fear i'll miss the moves the dj makes. and all those people i love too see - they really aren't there, i think, since i never talk to them anyway. don't have time while i'm there. not enough to know them (you). enough to say hi, maybe, but not enough to know. i go for the music. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 23:07:27 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA02516; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 18:07:14 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA17977; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:04:50 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:04:50 -0600 Message-Id: <199411102304.PAA05009@taz.hyperreal.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: abennett@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Bennett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: THE FIRST STEP TO UTOPIA(important stuff) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO doc said :: > > OHIO- take I-74 to 465 south/west > exit U.S. 37 south > follow the rest of the > CHICAGO/LAFAYETTE directions Eww. If coming from Cincy area, don't do that. Too much extra driving. Instead, pick up 46 off of I-74 (exit 134 near Greensburg or so) and take that into Bloomington. No need to go up to 465 and then back south. Doing this will save you about half an hour or so. Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 23:38:02 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA03195; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 18:37:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA18715; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:35:13 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:35:13 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: just a test... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO like it said... =) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 23:38:18 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA03211; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 18:37:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA18663; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:34:48 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:34:48 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Home downtown X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, david siska wrote: > down there, meet near the smart bar at the event (not the one next to the > metro) at 1 am. look for people shmoozing. say something like 'smart bar, > 1 am?' and if they don't look at you like you're loony, there's your crowd. > > d8) dave i'll be there if i don't forget (people usually do). i will be givin out some copies of FUSION 2.0, a phat comp from columbus oh as an incentive... i have long hair, malcolm x glasses, and beatniky fashion sense, so if ya see me say "how." ++ e d From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 23:46:21 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA03519; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 18:46:10 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA19011; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:42:22 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:42:22 -0600 Message-Id: <9411102341.AA12919@mik.uky.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: kjsmoc00@mik.uky.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: kimberly j smock To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re:prozac X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hmmmmmmm..............my mom's on prozac and well............I think it just adds to her depression addiction.................. +++ *peace*hugs*etc... ((( : ) -kimberly +++ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 23:52:09 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA03683; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 18:51:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA19270; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:48:32 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:48:32 -0600 Message-Id: <9411102348.AA01520@midway.uchicago.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: psenet@midway.uchicago.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: psenet@midway.uchicago.edu (powdered toastman) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: why do we rave??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I myself go for the entire atmosphere. That includes everything, music, people, drugs, vibe, lights, etc... A rave wouldnt be a rave without all the factors involved. I could lock myself in my room, take some E, play a tape, and shine a flashlight in my face, but I dont think id enjoy it as much. Take any of those out and its not quite the same(although some might argue differently). Its a personal preference, but i DO enjoy them more with drugs and heavy visual efx. When it comes down to it, i guess the ultimate end of a rave is the music. A rave is not a rave without music. But, its not just the music that makes me want to go. toastman ps. wish i could make it out to iowa this weekend, but that education thing seems to keep getting in the way of family. hope you guys have a blast! 8-) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 10 23:55:00 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA03723; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 18:54:53 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA19390; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:50:08 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:50:08 -0600 Message-Id: <199411102350.PAA05287@netcom19.netcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ericmc@netcom.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ericmc@netcom.com (Eric) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Chicagoland for Thanksgiving X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I'll be in Chicago over Thanksgiving (visiting from Denver, CO.) I wanted to know what was happening in the Chicago area during this time, and which mw-raves I could meet while I was visiting! I'll grab the events from the WWW pages, but if anyone knows of something special that is going on, or if there are a bunch of netravers going to some particular event, I'd love to hear about it. :) Thanks, Eric McCormick MTN Raver From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 00:10:21 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA04050; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:10:08 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA19902; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 18:07:29 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 18:07:29 -0600 Message-Id: <9411110007.AA18130@isum2.iastate.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: tkearns@iastate.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Thomas M Kearns To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ISU parties X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO So 1988 ISU had a lot of parties...wow that would be great. on the contrary ISU of 94 is lame. I from the quad cities and the rave scene there was cool and I didn't have any problems findin parties but now I am in Ames and the parties are lame. Unless youre into mass consumption of cheap beer and boomin garth brooks. My roomate (From St. Louis/Chi) and I are looking in to having a party some time this spring and are working on getting freinds and connections to come and DJ here in Lames to get the scene going. So if anybody out there has info or ad be at Family Affair (looks like via greyhound) so look for a glow in the dark whistle and a striped stocking hat wearing(If I clean it tonight)skinny boy. Call me T-Bone or just Tom and we can talk. Cool... ************************** T-Bone ****************************************** "Many think this is a secret too powerful to keep hidden amongst the illuminati of the loft spaces" RJ Smith I agree **************************** tkearns@iastate.edu*************************** From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 01:20:41 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA05676; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 20:19:55 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA20589; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:14:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:14:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199411110114.TAA19923@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: PMMORR00@UKCC.UKY.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: NoRelation To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Acidic Pyramid and the incredible PWEI X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Is anyone going to Acidic Pyramid? I assume that people will be going, it's just that I want to know if anyone thinks that everything is going to be ran well. It'll be the first time that I've been to Chicago and I'll be supa pissed if it gets busted. I'm interested in meeting other net-ravers there. I've been lurking for a while. Also: is anyone going to see Pop Will Eat Itself the same night? That's the main reason that I'm headed up. They are sooo great! Not exactly rave, (actually, hardly at all, anymore) but man, I luv em so. Thanks evah so much: NoRelation From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 01:26:36 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA05825; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 20:26:26 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA20866; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:23:25 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:23:25 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: lollipop@m-net.arbornet.org Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jennifer Lynn Hill To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: topic to discuss X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I rave for the people...i love people and meetingpeople andseeing people. =) =) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jen Dj Lollipop-Demongirl-Pancake Goddess "Where there is an open mind, there will always be a frontier" -Charles Kettering ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 01:27:08 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA05835; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 20:26:58 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA20957; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:24:54 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:24:54 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: lollipop@m-net.arbornet.org Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jennifer Lynn Hill To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: sex and rave relationships X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, jason wrote: > > Can I get a side order of pancakes wit dat? yes, pancakes go with the sukka!!! it's theaddedbonus! *grin* jen > > You go girl. :P > > By the way, I got mad twizzlaz for this weekend. > -- > (\\V//) > (0 0) > @----oOO---------(_)-----------------* > | Jason Walden | > | jwalden@expert.cc.purdue.edu | > @-----------------------------oOO----* > |__|__| > || || > ooO Ooo > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 01:39:08 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA06070; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 20:38:50 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA21417; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:36:40 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:36:40 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJBQNSPIRM9THBS0@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: UPFCLARK@memstvx1.memphis.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: UPFCLARK@memstvx1.memphis.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: faith X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO anyone going to faith in nashville? just wondering. :) kevin: call me or write or something...i'm beginning to think you died or something. later paul c *********************************** ____ ************************************* * Paul F Clark * / \ * Conformity has always been * * upfclark@msuvx1.memphis.edu * / /\ \ * the greatest fear of * * *********** \ \/ / *********** enlightened * * Smeagol * _______\ /_______ * minds... * * * \_______ _______/ * * *************************** | | ***************************** | | | | | | <____> From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 01:39:20 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA06076; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 20:39:03 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA21467; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:37:05 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:37:05 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJBQLG7KQQQPHY8U@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Pancakes. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, since nobody has taken the initiative on this, I guess I will. Pancakes after Tigger's party. :> Jen, will ya help me? Peace out, Ramylson From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 02:38:00 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA07301; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 21:37:53 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA22458; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 20:35:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 20:35:59 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJBSPQNL028Y8D33@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CONVERY@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Niall F Convery To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Pancakes X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO uh,....did someone say pancakes? We need volunteers for the live-action pancake frying sideshow at Grinnell....I expect to see ramylson & jen's names...sign up now :p Peace, Love & Pancakes, Niall (That Bloody Irishman) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 03:10:02 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA07951; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:09:43 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA23232; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 21:08:04 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 21:08:04 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ccherry@mason1.gmu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Scott To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ascii art X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Wed, 9 Nov 1994, Adam Desombre drew: > > __ __ __ __ > [##] [##] o [##] [##] > [##] [##] /|\ [##] [##]\o > [()()][()()] _===_===_ [()()][()()]|> o > [()()][()()][_________|[()()][()()]<\ -/> > __o <\ > __ o |> > /\ / \ o > |\ o / \o| _/\|> > <| | o > / > / \ _/\L\ > \ > / | > > > I even tried to enclude a speaker humper :) yeah, i see him now.... dewed that wuz ah-sum ! :) --------- Scott Cherry E-Mail - ccherry@mason1.gmu.edu Student - Art (Studio) "And I was led by the Spirit, not knowing beforehand the things which I should do." - 1 Nephi 4:6 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 03:18:21 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA08154; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:18:05 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA23045; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 21:03:08 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 21:03:08 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJBVSPXUDW8WWCOV@wmich.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: X94BENNETT4@wmich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: X94BENNETT4@wmich.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Journey through the Hardcore X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ________________________________________________________ Thanksgiving Night, November 24 in Detroit.... JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCORE with.... Kevin Saunderson (Intercity/KMS-Detroit) "Magic" Juan Atkins (Metroplex-Detroit) D. Wynn (R-Tyme-Detroit) Roger Sanchez (New York) Mike "The Hitman" Wilson (Chicago) Claude Young (Detroit) Live performance by Rachel Capp And many more.... All in two rooms (spinning both techno and house) Advance tickets at Recordtime in Detroit Any Ticketmaster outlet ----------------------------------------------------- Note: I think this is going to be at the venue on Hastings where Safari was a couple of weeks ago (its about two blocks away from where the JAK partys were at). There should be a few more djs in the lineup (D. Wynn gave this info to me over the phone and he didn't have the flyer with him to read off of). I'll post the info lines and any additions/corrections as soon as I get them.... aaron bennett (x94bennett4@wmich.edu) western michigan university-kalamazoo 1/2 way between detroit and chicago.... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 03:40:39 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA08579; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:40:31 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA23760; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 21:35:04 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 21:35:04 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jayvee@cy.math.uic.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jay Gril To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: topic to discuss X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Thu, 10 Nov 1994 telford1@egr.msu.edu wrote: > Here's a quick one if anyone wants to pick it up. Why do we rave? I'm sure > everyone has their own reasons and it kinda ties in the whole drugs/sex/ thing > if you know what I mean. Being somewhat new to the list I'm kinda curious to > what everyone has to say. Talk at ya' later. > > -john > <:)= Well John, I guess everybody has different reasons. If I have to list mines I would say: . It's underground: I moved in underground scenes all my life and I'm always looking for that kind of scene. . The music: I don't want to use the term "non-commercial' coz I know very well that sometimes I found myself listening commercial groups, but the truth is that the music we listen at raves we can only listen at them, coz it is made with a non-easy-like rythm, it's new and experimental, and I love that. . The people who made them (usually, not always): They don't do them for the money, they do them because they feel to. Yes, there are some organizers (and mostly lately) that they are (or entered) in the rave scene for making money. I'm learning who they are and I try to not support them. . The people who goes to them (usually, not always): They see the life in a very different way, most of the time as I see it. They are open to meet new people, they are friendly, and a couple of them are involved in similar projects as me. But of course you can't agree with everyone, but I can say I like the majority of the ravers. . The fun of going to the middle of nowhere: What I meant is when I go to a new city/town a feel like in a small adventure, because I'm going to a different place, a place that will give me surprises and obvious things. The wonderful thing is that you get to know your partners on the road very well, and usually is the beggining of a wonderful friendship. I experienced that, and I can tell you that it is awesome. . My friends: These new friends I met only 3 months ago. I see them mostly electronically, but with some of them I feel like I know them since I was born. Guess I have more reasons, but these are the most important ones. +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | ______ __ __ ____ ____ | jayvee@cy.math.uic.edu | | / / _ \ \ /\/ /__\ __\ | U16080@uicvm.uic.edu | | _/ / _ \ / / ___\ ___\ | Jayvee@IRC | | \____\_\ /_/_/\__/_____/____/ | jayvee@Vrave | | | | +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | The fun fun fun of the Mid-west Autobahn | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 04:03:34 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA09138; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 23:03:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA24346; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 21:58:42 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 21:58:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199411110354.VAA29383@home.interaccess.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: adamgold@interaccess.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: adamgold@interaccess.com (Adam Goldstein) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: really now X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO well, i'm a barista at Starbucks, so, like it or not, coffee is my life! :P... use two HEAPING spoonfuls of coffee for each ounce of water...and use filtered water...it really does make a difference...enjoy!!!! >im so surprised at how few people can brew a good pot of coffee these days. >and im getting so confused about how to do it myself now...i cant remember... >is it 3 teaspoons per pot or 5 or 1 tablespoon every 2 cups or what? please >help me!!!!!!! im cracking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i have a 8am-4pm job now!!!!!!! > >dan. > >dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu > 414.256.1775 Adam "If you cannot find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect to find it?" "I dance because I am alive..." From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 04:18:37 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA09440; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 23:18:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA24695; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:14:45 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:14:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199411110409.WAA00371@home.interaccess.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: adamgold@interaccess.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: adamgold@interaccess.com (Adam Goldstein) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: really now X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >well, i'm a barista at Starbucks, so, like it or not, coffee is my life! :P... > >use two HEAPING spoonfuls of coffee for each ounce of water...and use >filtered water...it really does make a difference...enjoy!!!! > > or should i say, two spoonfuls for every cup you use! sorry! > >>im so surprised at how few people can brew a good pot of coffee these days. >>and im getting so confused about how to do it myself now...i cant remember... >>is it 3 teaspoons per pot or 5 or 1 tablespoon every 2 cups or what? please >>help me!!!!!!! im cracking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i have a 8am-4pm job now!!!!!!! >> >>dan. >> >>dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB >>----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu >> 414.256.1775 > >Adam >"If you cannot find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect >to find it?" >"I dance because I am alive..." Adam "If you cannot find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect to find it?" "I dance because I am alive..." From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 04:56:30 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA10168; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 23:56:23 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA25140; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:53:37 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:53:37 -0600 Message-Id: <199411110453.WAA21138@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: believe@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: xlarge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: home, just a question X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO is hyperactive going to be at this event? the mailing list say's that he will but the flyer that i ahve doesn't have him listed. could anybody tell me if he'll be there or not. thanx, xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 05:53:54 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA11159; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 00:53:47 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA25775; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 23:52:03 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 23:52:03 -0600 Message-Id: <199411110551.XAA26606@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: S987071@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Catherina Willard To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: sex AT raves X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO allen- i have never had sex AT a rave, but i have a friend who met someone, talked with her for about five minutes and ended up in a closet for the rest of the night... they were tripping balls. to each his/her own! turned out they lived near each other and now are regular fuck buddies... only good story i have on the subject ;) T From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 05:56:43 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA11191; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 00:56:37 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA25915; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 23:54:49 -0600 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 23:54:49 -0600 Message-Id: <199411110553.XAA26889@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: S987071@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Catherina Willard To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: faith X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO paul- i'm going to faith in nashville, since you asked. Trina From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 06:23:32 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA11523; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 01:23:26 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA26434; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 00:21:53 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 00:21:53 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: pixel@crl.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "James P. Cooper" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Acidic Pyramid and the incredible PWEI X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, NoRelation wrote: > Is anyone going to Acidic Pyramid? I assume that people will be going, > it's just that I want to know if anyone thinks that everything is going to be > ran well. It'll be the first time that I've been to Chicago and I'll be supa > pissed if it gets busted. I'm interested in meeting other net-ravers there. > I've been lurking for a while. john and I are heading up for it after lunar loveland here in stl on friday. we're not going to PWEI. pixel From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 07:27:25 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA12387; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 02:27:18 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA27111; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 01:26:03 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 01:26:03 -0600 Message-Id: <9411110744.AA00565@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jong@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jon Gilkison To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Stuff from the serious side X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Ack I'm about to start blabbing so you allz better duck and run for cover:) I have 2 questions about this whole rave thing that bug me when I think about it too much: 1> Treating raves like businesses, ravers as customers and promoters as godly creatures. 2> Why are raves predominatly white/asian affairs? This is going to sound racist, not even close to my intention, but what's with the lack of black, hispanic and other cultures participating in this scene? It's probably different outside of minneapolis and the other cities I've fell down in. The reason the second question popped up was due to my ruminating and postulating on someone's post on why we go to raves. My response was music and the openess of the entire affair - atleast idealistically. But the more I thought about it, the more it bugged me. I understand raves started out being a european thing, but alot of the music has african-american roots - so why so many white/asian kids and so few black and hispanic kids? What is it about the rave that has seized our minds, but not theirs? Anyone? Back to my first question, They're used to be alot of worry about the mainstream commercializing the rave scene and exploiting it for whatever gains (90210 being a prime example and spark for such thought) - but the more and more I look; the more I see the commercialization and the cheapening of the scene and all that from within. I often feel like cattle sometimes going to these parties, a mindless consumer grazing in fields of bass bins and glow sticks, hoping my thirteen bucks brings a happy return. I hear talk about how promoters need good business sense to throw up a successful party, how the whole production "company" is a top-down originization, blah, blah. I understand where the good sense comes in when trying to hunt down a spot, bargaining over sound systems, etc. - but the whole raver corporation needs to stop when it comes down to promoter and raver. I forget what I'm trying to say beyond that I'm tired of filling faceless raver corporation's pockets with my monEE - to be given sad ass excuses about spots falling through, DJs not showing up, etc., etc. If anything is going to wreck the scene it's going to be two things: shit head eleetists and the raver corporations; not mass media mainstream exploiting us. Does this make sense to anyone? Or am I talking out of my ass again>>?? :) While I'm on this stream I might as well drop some more deep thoughts your way for enjoyment: SEX - I'm not going to touch this beyond: Sex is best for me when it's with someone that I;m on a deeper level with - beit love or just knowing the world about them. I've never been for cazual sex or animalistic rutting - masterbation is quicker and cleaner and I don't have to hang out afterwards. But if I'm with someone I'm in love with or just really into, then it's the world to me :) DRUGS - No need for 'em - I'm phukkin goonie enough as is. But I can understand their use for spiritual pursuits and aims; but not for casual "fun". Anyways, wheew I feel better :) Thanks for tuning into the professa... earache PS. JT you were right, there are too many rekkids and too little cash. PSS. Seeyo punk fukkas in iowa:))))) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 08:12:02 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA13004; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 03:11:55 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA27681; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 02:10:42 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 02:10:42 -0600 Message-Id: <9411110828.AA00693@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sherih@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sheri Hendrickson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Stuff from the serious side X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I am glad that THE PROF. EARACHE is bringing more livelier, intelligent discussions to the net. I am tired those postings consisting of "Let's meet each other by the smart drink bar at so and so time" or "I'm so excited to go to _____________ (whatever party) that I could pee my pants - yippy skippy!" Props to ya fellow mcadette pal! In repsonse to a few of his questions: >Treating raves like businesses, ravers as customers >and promoters as godly creatures. raves are businesses. $$$$ makes the world go round in this modern day civilization. After all, we have progressed the hunter's and gatherer's level and developed the specialization of labor which evolves around some $ense and dollars. However, promoters and djs are not gods. Without the support of "joe smoe" raver, they would be nothing. >Why are raves predominatly white/asian affairs? The demographics of white/asian kids is due to the appeal of the "bored middle class upbringing" which is shared by both white and Asian kids due to their emphasis on education, career minded orientation, value on materialism, etc. Being one myself, the state of Minnesota has the highest rate Korean adoptees in the U.S. Minnesota also has a high population Hmongs, Vietamese, Cambodians, and Laotians due to the political problems in the 80's especially in the city of St. Paul. As of Chicago, it has a high rate of Koreans and Chinese Americans that were not adopted. But mainly white kids dominate the scene. >so why so many white/asian kids and so few >black and hispanic kids? Chicago has a lot of Hispanic American ravers. Detroit has plenty of Black Americans leading their scene and other scenes - i.e. T-1000, Jeff Mills, Derrick May, etc. In England, most of the djs are Black - i.e. Carl Cox, Krome and Time, etc. Not only question the intentions of promoters but your reasons why you are into this "lifestyle." It is a lifestyle that needs lot$ of money to support it whether you are Plain Jane/John Doe the peasant raver, duke/duchess dj, or king/queen promoter. The real essence of this kind of "subculture" is the music and the emotions of enjoyment it brings to you. Not the clothes, drugs, sex, or attitude. SHERI expositor From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 08:29:37 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA13146; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 03:29:23 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA27966; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 02:28:02 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 02:28:02 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: barnetjr@ucunix.san.uc.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jenifer A Barnett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: prozac X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, Dweezle Christ wrote: > prozac is a fairly strong anti depresant(speed) It is not recommended > that u use it for this purpose (it's not that great) but what it is bood > for is as an additve to E. When E'in u should 20 mgs about three hours > in. Wht it will do is re introduce the saratonin to your brain that > normally is cut off because of the E. This has no impact on the trip, > but what it helps is coming down( eliminates the stupids) and in the long > run, will help in NOT making u senile. > > __________________________________________________________________________ > _ mudd@um.cc.umich.edu > < > > \___/ > ^+ +^ > ' \_/ ' "God will bless you if you belive" > ] / \ [ -Eddie 'Flashin' Fowlkes > \|/ > (|) > + + > __________________________________________________________________________ > > On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, Ellen Steuer wrote: > > > > > i am just womdering what you all think about it. good? bad? addictive? > > government plot? let me know. thanks. > > > > l8r > > > > ellen > > > YO (YES I KNOW I AM SHOUTING) DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS POST UNLESS YOU WANT TO SCREW YOUR BRAIN (YA KNOW POSSSIBLY DIE!!!!) WHILE IT IS UNLIKELY THAT YOU WILL SUFFER ANY DAMAGE. pROSAC IS A MAOI DRUG AND CAN HAVE VERY SERIOUS INTERACTIONS WITH E, SPEED, PHENYLALANINE AND A HOST OF OTHER CHEMICALS IN FACT IF YOU ARE ON PROSAC YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN DRINK DIET SODA. PLEASE KNOW THE BIOCHEMICAL ACTIONS OF ANY SUBSTANCE YOU USE ALONG WITH THE INTERACTIONS. PEACE. TIM From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 08:32:34 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA13194; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 03:32:22 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA28224; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 02:30:55 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 02:30:55 -0600 Message-Id: <941111032932_5323640@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: sex and raves X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO first of i'd like to say that raves are the only place i feel safe i feel at home at a party. I have been raving for almost 3 years now and i will continue until i die. now sex, i'm very open as far as my sexuality . some of the most incredible experinces i've had have been at a rave or with someone that goes to raves. ravers are some of the most itelligent, sensual, and closest group of people i have ever met . i have never cheated on one of my girlfriends and never plan on it . i work for maxximum s&l i travel the country to do the lights and sound for raves .my friend dave had one of the most incredible weekends ever in st. louis. he hasnt had sex in over a year because hes to picky but when we were in st. louis he met the most incredible girl. even i was jelous!!!!!!!!!! now there talking about marrage?????? well back to me i am picky to i do have standards to i wont fuck just anyone and raves let me get to know people inside and out raves let you act out your fantasies whatever they my be from dressing up (drag) to a sexual dream come true love and hugs bamm bamm keep the vibe alive and positive care of maxximum sound and lights From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 08:32:39 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA13196; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 03:32:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA28277; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 02:31:18 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 02:31:18 -0600 Message-Id: <941111032937_5323653@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Sex and raves X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Yes, I did meet a girl at a rave (Generation X). Her name will be kept secret. The relationship started up good for a few weeks. But since I work so much during the week with my crew, that girl started to look around for more fun and cheated many times. So, as far as I am concerned, I will NOT go out with any girl from the rave scene or the club scene. A Few years ago, I meet a girl in a night club. I ended up marriying her. She cheated too. I think the best type of girl to go out with is the one that has a 9 to 5 job and has a fucking degree. (and not born in TN : inbreed). But, I don't mind having erotic sex at a rave or anywhere. In fact it turns me on when there is a chance to get caught. Sorry if I was a little to personal, but I like talking about sex it is my nature, well I mean French people do talk about sex all the fucking time and like to share experiences openly. If I offended someone, I am sorry. Peace and Out. Music is my religion, what is yours ? There is a limit to everything. French E aka Davis J Bassan From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 10:22:56 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id FAA14048; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 05:22:47 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA29255; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 04:13:35 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 04:13:35 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJC8PZ9TBM8Y8ESK@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CONVERY@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Niall F Convery To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Stuff from the serious side X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Sheri stated that raves are, in this modern day and age, businesses. I would, to a large extent agree with this, but it is not always so. In England where all of the large field party events are continually getting busted, the scene has become far more underground, with private organisations holding their own parties for only their members, or free parties for everyone. The most widely stated example is, of course, the Spiral Tribe, but there have been many other such organisations springing up, even from within the club scene, notably the rise of the Coalesce posse last summer. I, for one think that this is the way to go.....if you are involved, directly or indirectly, with throwing a party you're obviously going to be less disappointed if it fails, because you'll be partly to blame, and have more of an incentive to make it a good one. Big promoters asking for $15 for a party which could be busted at 1am is not an investment that I am keen to make, and I'd much rather be with a smaller group of friends and friends of friends.....that way things stay smaller and it is much easier for there to be a unity among the crowd at a party....I'm not saying that this will always happen, but I have seen it, and it can be done. Perhaps some of the people who have been disappointed before could take the lead and attempt something like this? If anyone does (and I'd like to try) call me....I'll be there......... Also, there was a question regarding why the majority of ravers are white...coming over from europe, I had noticed the difference, and I still can't quite figure it out....one thing I thought of which may have some bearing is that the african-american and hispanic cultures already have such a strong basis which leaves little leeway for the concept of raving, whereas white culture is (at least percieved to be) heading towards where we have the MTV generation sitting waiting for the next quick thrill, and raving is a way out of that......this is just an idea that late night paperwork brought up, so if anyone has anything to add/correct I'd appreciate it. I'd really like to know........ Ok, I've ranted enough, all that's laft to say is looking forward to seeing everyone who is coming to Iowa, and missing everyone who isn't already :) Peace, Love & Joy, Niall :) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 12:34:30 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id HAA15247; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 07:34:23 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id GAA00335; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 06:32:22 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 06:32:22 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: lollipop@m-net.arbornet.org Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jennifer Lynn Hill To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Pancakes. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Pancakes in the house!!! i'm bringing the special pan, my NEW spatula, and some mix and syrup,, if anyone else can bring some, please do!! woooohoooo! jen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 15:30:25 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA17980; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:29:58 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA01768; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 09:28:02 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 09:28:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199411111522.PAA17941@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: home, just a question X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Xlarge: >is hyperactive going to be at this event? > >the mailing list say's that he will but the flyer that i ahve doesn't >have him listed. The e-flyer you see in the calendar was typed in straight from the flyer; the big one, that folds out and has all the pretty colors. :-) -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 15:42:44 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA18308; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:42:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA02131; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 09:38:35 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 09:38:35 -0600 Message-Id: <11NOV94.11467310.0097.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MKAMMERE@NMU.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Kammerer, Mark J" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re[2]: Ketamine X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Chris Sattinger writes, >Ketamine, as far as I know, is an animal tranquiliser. Usually injected, >it has been found in wafers and such. It basically places you in a kind of >reptilian state for several hours. I know of someone who would inject it >and sit around completely paralysed for hours until he could bear to move. >In smaller doses it simply shuts down certain parts of your brain leaving >the more ancient, reptilian centers active. Similar to ether and nitrous >but a little bit more severe. aken I still have never tried it but here is something I read about it by Dr. Stanislav Grof-- Ketamin Hydrochlorid, a substance combining anaesthetic and psychadelic properties, it is extremely interesting from the heuristic point of view. It opens access to the most extraordinary realms of experiences, offers remarkable philosophical and spiritual revelations, and mediates fascinating insights into the cosmic processes by which reality itself is created. Its disadvantage is that the subject feels strongly drugged, has poor coordination, and his or her capacity for verbal communication, as well as subsequent recall, are distinctly impaired...Its greatest value is a profound and lasting change of one's worldview and a radically new understanding of the process of death. The optimal dosage is about one-tenth to one-sixth the anaesthetic dose; it ranges between 100 and 150 milligrams intramuscularly. The music used for ketamine sessions should be slow, expansive, and "cosmic" in nature to reflect the quality of the experience. Dr. Grof is a psychologist from Eastern Europe who was able to do extensive work with psychadelics because the government permitted it. As far as raves go, I've never found anything written that says Ketamine can be taken any way but intra-muscularly--that is, with a needle. I won't go anywhere near a needle. I question whether the stuff in whether the stuff in wafers is really K. mark j From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 15:44:46 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA18359; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:44:30 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA02335; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 09:42:38 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 09:42:38 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: serious side X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > From: Jon Gilkison > 1> Treating raves like businesses, ravers as customers and promoters as > godly creatures. This is inevitable because we live in such a strong, overtly capitalistic society. Talk about and live PLUR all you want but everything seems to break down into money eventually. I don't mean to imply that the friendships cultivated at parties or that the feelings felt at parties break into monetary concerns, simply that the lure of Big Money{tm} can catch anyone. So when those bucks start showing themselves to people who run parties eventually they will look at many thing at many levels only in terms of scales of (cash) economy. How can this be tamed? Re-do the (your) scene. Start over. You might notice that there are a LOT of parties being thrown recently that cost very little to attend. There's a reason for that. A lot of people are willing to forego big lights, big-name dj's and way cool venues. Simply partying all night with their friends, a thick vibe and great music is what counts. It's an underground thing. > 2> Why are raves predominatly white/asian affairs? This is going to sound > racist, not even close to my intention, but what's with the lack of black, > hispanic and other cultures participating in this scene? It's probably > different outside of minneapolis and the other cities I've fell down in. You should go to parties in St. Louis. I was only at Deeper, which lasted only a few hours, but the mix of people was impressive. From what others in the St Louie scene tell me it's always been like this. - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 16:06:47 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA18927; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:06:36 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA02931; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:04:36 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:04:36 -0600 Message-Id: <9411111603.AA05457@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: kiwi@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: kiwi@expert.cc.purdue.edu (-==Kiwi==-) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: HOME: anyone goin? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Last epsiode, Ed Luna cried out: > i'll be at HOME in chi this saturday...any of you > kids goin? we should set up some shit. > ++ > e d We'll I'll be there. I can't afford to miss _all_ those simply delightful dj's. +) Kiwi - PD: I hope to see more net.ravers there! -- Stephen Roberts | Purdue University | Drugs against war. Philosopher | From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 16:11:41 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA19022; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:11:34 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA03056; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:09:40 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:09:40 -0600 Message-Id: <9411111611.AA18030@emunix.emich.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sharifi@emunix.emich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: sharifi@emunix.emich.edu (Surfer Al) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Hope to see people at SNARK X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Any one going to SNARK? Hope to see some people. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------- "A wave over a rave anyday." -- Me. Alex Sharifi sharifi@emunix.emich.edu -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 16:32:00 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA19423; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:31:52 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA03484; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:24:46 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:24:46 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: pixel@crl.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "James P. Cooper" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Stuff from the serious side X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > is going to wreck the scene it's going to be two things: shit head eleetists > and the raver corporations; not mass media mainstream exploiting us. definately. I've thought that before myself. I think the fear of raves going mainstream is really exaggerated. as dave walker and others on this list have pointed out, there are few personalities in the scene that can be marketed and sold to mainstream culture. this scene will only die if it kills itself, either through a lack of interest or internal bickering on the order of promoter vs. raver. I think that's why the smaller net.parties are so cool. there is no promoter/raver dichotomy. everyone participates in the setup/execution/partying. and events are much more fun when you feel a part of them and not like another customer. see y'all in iowa! pixel From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 16:41:31 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA19562; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:41:12 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA03821; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:31:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:31:00 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jjhelton@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: doc To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: CHUCK!!!!!!!!!!! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey ho, i need to talk to ya -doc From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 16:45:27 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA19664; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:45:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA04253; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:42:27 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:42:27 -0600 Message-Id: <199411111636.QAA20678@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Gamma Series party tonight X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO There's another party in the Gamma Series down in wonderful scenic out-of-the-way Danville, IL tonight. I've never seen the flyer, although I know they exist, and I don't have directions or a phone number, since I've never driven or called. I guess what I'm saying is that if you've gone there before, and want to go again, go again tonight. :-) If you have any info, post it. Ugh. Sorry for this vagueness. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 16:45:32 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA19670; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:45:23 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA04206; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:41:46 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:41:46 -0600 Message-Id: <199411111636.QAA20649@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: HOME: anyone goin? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >Last epsiode, Ed Luna cried out: > >> i'll be at HOME in chi this saturday...any of you >> kids goin? we should set up some shit. >> ++ >> e d > > We'll I'll be there. > I can't afford to miss _all_ those > simply delightful dj's. > +) Kiwi - > > PD: I hope to see more net.ravers there! I should be there, depending on my transportation status. Same bat time, same bat place... -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 16:49:41 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA19717; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:49:34 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA04330; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:43:03 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:43:03 -0600 Message-Id: <199411111636.QAA20702@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RITUAL 12.31.94 Milwaukee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ATP & Drop Bass ### # ### # # # # # # # # # # # # # 6 # # # # # # # # # 6 66 ## # # # # ### # 66 # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ### # # ### NEW YEARS EVE in the hardcore capital milwaukee, wi usa 8 PM - 8 AM another twelve hour revolution hardcore & acid spinners local spinners ------------------------ -------------- damon wild tron ricky fingers fierce dan dc - new york groove astroboy - st. louis sonic happevibe live pa's frankie vega --------- dzak delta 9 madgroove astrocat - dbn records rotorboy house dj's and suprise headliner t.b.a. 100% permitted/secure/guaranteed/confirmed/blissful massive, massive, massive sound/lights/visuals three complete rooms enjoy ritual, pure, or future - support the midwest vibe 414.256.1733 414.548.1973 312.509.8068 the underground is #@$%^(! drop bass -> preflyer only <- -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 16:55:52 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA19870; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:55:46 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA04906; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:53:08 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 10:53:08 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mkessler@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: michael john kessler To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ?s that hit at 4:00 AM X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO 1) Why is it that Scooby Doo could barely speak while Scrappy had perfect articulative speech? 2) What the hell is retzin? 3) Why doesn't Dr. Strange just wipe everyone out with a flick of his wrist? 4) If our lives had cool music played in certain circumstances like in the movies would we be charge $5.50 a day to live? 5) How could the Lizard King do anything and what was his fetish for blue cars? 6) Should we expect the best action sequence award go to the Mighty Morphin' Power Rangers? 7) Are we reality or just it's mirror image? 8) When will the Trix rabbit take a hint? 9) Why am I awake right now? 10) If Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear and Fuzzy Wuzzy had no hair, then Fuzzy Wuzzy wasn't really fuzzy was he? Just thought I'd ask. Hope to see you all at Utopia tonight. I'll be the one with the carver's glove and glossy eyes. Love you all... Michael J. Kessler /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ "All things aside, Mrs. Lincoln, how did you enjoy the show?" \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 17:07:26 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA20289; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:07:07 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA05461; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:04:05 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:04:05 -0600 Message-Id: <11NOV94.12982114.0088.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MKAMMERE@NMU.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Kammerer, Mark J" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: money X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO It has become a standard to complain about promoters only in it for the money but I know alot instances where people have thrown parties and barely broke even, i.e. Earth, or got burned altogether--I mean individuals having to shoulder hundreds and thousands of dollars and still having to clean up after everybody. Some of the big promoters make alot of money on some shows but they usually work their asses off and take big risks. If it is a good party I'm glad someone is making some dough. Where else do you find a whole night of mind-blowing entertainment for under $20. I do completely stay away from scenes where the promoters don't respect the people-- i.e. when I was at Joy in Minneapolis the space was completely too small for the amount of people so that you couldn't even stand in one place without someone bumping into you and there were these goons at thedoor standing there telling you you couldn't go outside to stretch out without paying to get back in--I say fuck that--and we all know about Fantasy Island. But back to my original thing--I can tell you that most of the performers aren't making back the investment that they have in their shit. The Brain Farm is running about 20:1 in the red. Like most art it is a labor of love. It just seems like people bitch alot about ticket prices but to me the tix don't seem that bad as compared to other things in life like gas and rent and restauraunts. Alot of scenes die in places because small promoters can't afford to throw a party at ten bucks a head. Just a few meandering thoughts from the BF, Mark J From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 17:20:38 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA20703; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:20:04 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA05913; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:17:21 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:17:21 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJCN5DQCQQ8Y8ECG@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CONVERY@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Niall F Convery To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Directions to Grinnell X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Ok, we're not exactly the greatest navigators in world history, so bear with us........... The first step is to get onto I-80 going through Iowa. (A road map might be nice to help with this). On I-80 you'll find the cities of Des Moines and Iowa City. About halfway between these (roughly 60 miles from either) you'll find the town of Grinnell. This is where you want to go. When you exit the highway, follow the signs for the town of Grinnell. Drive into the town for about 2-3 miles (you'll pass a Wal-Mart and a Hi-Vee on the way) until you come to 6th Avenue. There should be a sign for Grinnell College directing you to turn right onto 6th, which you should do. Here the directions split: 1/ If arriving before 9pm on Saturday:- Continue on 6th Ave for about 6 blocks and turn left on East St. (This is the first left after the train tracks). On your left will be a row of College dorms. The dorm you are looking for is Read Hall, the second last dorm (there is a covered walkway on the other side of the buildings and the dorms have name placards if you get lost). Simply go into this dorm and find the second floor. The room you want should be blindingly obvious, but if not, ask someone where Tigger's room is. Parking directly outside the hall will probably be impossible, and tickets are sometimes given for parking in the school lots, so I would suggest driving all the way past the dorms (across 8th Avenue) and parking by the side of the road. 2/ If arriving after 9pm, or close to 9pm, you should head directly to the site, in the basement of Main dorm, which is located on the corner of 6th Ave and East street. (ie the first hall in the row of dorms). If in difficulty just ask someone where Gardener lounge is. Parking should be the same as above. Any difficulties, clarifications or other help necessary can be gained by e- mailing CONVERY or CAMMARAT@AC.GRIN.EDU, but be warned, our system goes down for backups every friday night, so we probably won't be able to get back to you until Sat. morning if you mail after 5pm. Peace, Love & Joy, Niall From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 17:26:43 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA20858; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:26:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA06097; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:22:31 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:22:31 -0600 Message-Id: <9411111722.AA03275@midway.uchicago.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: powdered.toastman@midway.uchicago.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: powdered.toastman@midway.uchicago.edu (psenet@midway.uchicago.edu) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ?s that hit at 4:00 AM X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO in a fit of confusion, michael john kessler asked: >1) Why is it that Scooby Doo could barely speak while Scrappy had perfect >articulative speech? > Scooby did too much crack >2) What the hell is retzin? > stuff that makes things minty fresh >3) Why doesn't Dr. Strange just wipe everyone out with a flick of his >wrist? > he's a good guy, he cant >4) If our lives had cool music played in certain circumstances like in the >movies would we be charge $5.50 a day to live? > .. >5) How could the Lizard King do anything and what was his fetish for >blue cars? the Lizard King did lots of drugs, which also brings along with it bad taste >6) Should we expect the best action sequence award go to the Mighty >Morphin' Power Rangers? > no >7) Are we reality or just it's mirror image? > yes >8) When will the Trix rabbit take a hint? > well, i mean a few years back, we did vote to let him have Trix. Can we really expect him to taste the forbidden fruit and not want more? Come on now! >9) Why am I awake right now? > b/c you are not sleeping >10) If Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear and Fuzzy Wuzzy had no hair, then Fuzzy >Wuzzy wasn't really fuzzy was he? > not sure...is fuzz hair? :-), toastman From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 17:27:37 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA20889; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:27:29 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA06234; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:24:15 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:24:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199411111718.RAA22059@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO The only sin is self-hatred. It is the act of negation. Its opposite is faith. There is no such thing as evil. The concept of evil is a crutch. We will not heal until we toss away the crutch. To heal is to become healthier. To become healthier is to enjoy a freer flow of energy. It is the flow of energy that gets us high. To perceive something as "evil" is to imagine that object, that person, is not a part of me. He's something else. To perceive "evil" is to attempt to deny that we are all one. We have a myth that relates to this. The myth of God and Satan. The fallen angel, Lucifer -- cast out of Heaven for disobeying God -- God who is good. Lucifer who is not-good. Not-God. Evil. But who is God trying to kid? God is All. There is nothing that is not God. Lucifer is God. There is no distance. One cannot fall from grace. One can pretend, perhaps, that the brother over yonder is not me, he is something else, he is everything of myself that I cast out of myself -- one can pretend. But not for long. There is no way to cast out any part of one's self. Systems of energy contain no garbage. There is no such thing as garbage. Dear God, the jig is up. Stop chasing your tail. Embrace your Self. Lucifer returns to Heaven! Let there be dancing in the streets. The only sin is self-hatred. We call it sin but its true name is Delusion. We have got to get ourselves back to the Garden. Easily done. We are _in_ the Garden. Let us open our eyes. -- Paul Williams (Das Energy) People of Rhythm Productions, (C) 1994 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 17:33:11 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA21020; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:33:00 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA06828; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:30:09 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:30:09 -0600 Message-Id: <199411111730.JAA28094@netcom14.netcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ericmc@netcom.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ericmc@netcom.com (Eric) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Cawfee Tawlk X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Other coffee tips.. use gourmet coffee if you're looking for taste. I recommend Starbucks' Gold Coast, and it helps to buy it whole bean and then grind it yourself just before you brew it! Eric From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 17:43:50 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA21192; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:43:39 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA07136; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:36:26 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:36:26 -0600 Message-Id: <199411111731.RAA22565@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Cawfee Tawlk X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >Other coffee tips.. use gourmet coffee if you're looking for taste. I >recommend Starbucks' Gold Coast, and it helps to buy it whole bean and >then grind it yourself just before you brew it! > >Eric In the alt.drugs.caffeine newsgroup there's a coffee.FAQ that's posted almost weekly. All kinds of info on that insidious brew. Me? I'll stick to Dew, TYVM. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 17:50:41 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA21349; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:50:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA07622; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:47:36 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:47:36 -0600 Message-Id: <199411111742.LAA21182@home.interaccess.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: adamgold@interaccess.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: adamgold@interaccess.com (Adam Goldstein) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: coffee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey Eric- Try our Ethiopian Harrar...you'll like it! Love Adam-Starbucks Barista Adam "If you cannot find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect to find it?" "I dance because I am alive..." From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 17:56:27 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA21454; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:56:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA07838; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:52:38 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 11:52:38 -0600 Message-Id: <199411111737.JAA28797@netcom14.netcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ericmc@netcom.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ericmc@netcom.com (Eric) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Re[2]: Ketamine X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Ketamine is also crystalized into a powder form, which is then snorted. 1/2 a gram of K is good for about 5-7 doses depending on body weight. It's not the best thing to do at a rave unless you're doing with E, because it slows you down and makes you sorta stupid and uncoordinated. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 18:08:40 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA21749; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 13:08:18 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA08355; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:04:38 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:04:38 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJCR93S88Y8WW6DZ@jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: rlk@intrepid.chm.jhu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: rlk@intrepid.chm.jhu.edu (rlk) To: Multiple recipients of list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >The only sin is self-hatred. >It is the act of negation. >Its opposite is faith. I think the only real sinful things are those things which hurt other people. Hurting yourself isn't sinful, just stupid. Blasphemy and all that other religious crap is just invented nonsense. -my $.02- peace, ron From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 18:10:28 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA21819; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 13:10:20 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA08430; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:06:20 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:06:20 -0600 Message-Id: <941111125747_5524067@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: AnodeBAM@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: AnodeBAM@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: directions to FAITH in Nashville X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Here are directions to Faith, once you're in Nashville. Please remember that Nashville has a curfew (you must be 18 and have an ID to prove it if you want to stay at the party past midnight). Also - net.ravers meet at the big "net.ravers" sign upstairs (you won't be able to miss it) at 1:00 AM... Location is 1000 Harrison St., in the same building as our CARNIVAL party was earlier this year. >From I-265, take Metro Center Exit, turn towards downtown, go several blocks, turn right on Harrison (look for US TOBACCO), go 2 blocks to 10th & Harrison. >From I-40, take Broadway Exit, turn towards downtown, go 3 blocks, turn left on 10th Ave North (look for the Clubhouse Inn), stay on 10th several blocks, cross over Charlotte Ave. 10th curves to the right and dead-ends into 8th Ave. Turn LEFT on to 8th Ave, go under the railroad underpass, take the FIRST LEFT at the light, which is Harrison (look for US TOBACCO). Go 2 blocks to 10th & Harrison. info # is 615-780-3730 saturday november 12 - 8pm-6am nashville tennessee 1000 harrison street all ages til midnite - no alcohol 18+ midnite til 6 am (ID required due to curfew) $12 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 18:47:18 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA22833; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 13:46:54 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA09294; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:40:32 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 12:40:32 -0600 Message-Id: <9411111839.AA23960@isum2.iastate.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: tkearns@iastate.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Thomas M Kearns To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: yipeee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO All right now I am psyched I think I found a ride to CR and family affair that won't cost me forty bucks. I find out for sure in an hour or so. wish me luck or something. Anyway I can not wait to rave again I mean it has been almost three months. and I can't wait to meet some fellow net ravers either. Love out to everyone and I will see you tonight . \ / | |--| |--| | |--- **************** T-Bone **************** \ / | | | | | | **** **** \/ | |--| |--| | | **** " ...Joan...Joan " **** / | | | | |- **** **** / | | | | | ****************************************** / | | | | |--- tkearns@iastate.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 19:27:20 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA23954; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:27:11 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA09997; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 13:23:55 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 13:23:55 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJCRY5Z3QA0019YE@UWSTOUT.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: pittsj@UWSTOUT.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: pittsj@UWSTOUT.EDU (Justin Morgan) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: sex AT raves X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Catherina Willard stated: >allen- > >i have never had sex AT a rave, but i have a friend who met someone, talked >with her for about five minutes and ended up in a closet for the rest of the >night... they were tripping balls. to each his/her own! turned out they >lived near each other and now are regular fuck buddies... > >only good story i have on the subject ;) > >T I was at a show and some meathead guy had 'his' woman mashed up against the 40k speaker stack all night. It was irritating since they were right next to me and really had no decency whatsoever. I mean, literally fucking right next to me. it was actually somewhat disturbing and somewhat, errr.. smelly? yeah. it was. take it to a back corner or something. -Justin Morgan (jp/groove) web collective From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 20:11:22 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA25036; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:11:02 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA11146; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:06:32 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:06:32 -0600 Message-Id: <9411112005.AA22527@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Shawn DeVries) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Iowa excursion X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, the Purdue kru is off....very soon I hope to see everyone this weekend, and then some (come up to me, say hi! :) I'm 6'5", i will either have an 808 State shirt on, or a white t with suspenders holding up my goodwill issue Phat pants, complementary of Chuck :) The posse consists of me, Jen, FuckBoy [tm], Jason Walden, Shannon (thee funkee diva), and *hopefully* Sho, the Xanadu man.... Cool....hope the directions are right!! :) see ya soon shawn ______________________________________________________________________________ misfit-baloo-------shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu-------Shawn M. DeVries we are all in the same family Purdue University's proud representative of the Raving Engineers ______________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 20:26:50 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA25353; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:26:21 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA11498; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:20:56 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:20:56 -0600 Message-Id: <199411112016.UAA29780@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Updated calendar X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO In a feeble attempt at getting as many events in the calendar as possible before I print off a couple hundered copies on Friday night to take to parties with me, I usually end up adding any late-posted events since the previous Wednesday's issue. If you want to get the latest copy at any time, remember I'll always try to update my mailserver copy as well. Just send any mail to mw-raves-cal@acid.com; in the reply the subject header will let you know when it was last updated. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 20:38:06 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA25640; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:37:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA11928; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:32:42 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:32:42 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Re[2]: Ketamine X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I have heard from someone who has used special k that it can be taken through the nasal passage. In other words.. you can do them in lines.. Ohhh yeah.. I see it now.. just like in scarface! Just kidding.. BUt the info I believe it true. But be careful, Special K has been known to kill people I believe.. JOhn Sin Massive ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 20:40:04 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA25680; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:39:51 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA12028; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:34:27 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:34:27 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jayvee@cy.math.uic.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jay Gril To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ?s that hit at 4:00 AM X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Fri, 11 Nov 1994, michael john kessler wrote: > 1) Why is it that Scooby Doo could barely speak while Scrappy had perfect > articulative speech? Coz he has a special voice modulator designed by Matt Blaze (the one who breaked the Clipper Chip) in one of the labs of AT&T, specially designed for Scrappy. > 2) What the hell is retzin? No idea. > 3) Why doesn't Dr. Strange just wipe everyone out with a flick of his > wrist? Coz in the deep of his heart he is a good guy. > 4) If our lives had cool music played in certain circumstances like in the > movies would we be charge $5.50 a day to live? No, if we calculate the amount of time we listen music and we add the average of hours we are awake, plus the amount of grames of food we eat, minus the amount of sex and drugs we have daily, that's equal to $2.70 . > 5) How could the Lizard King do anything and what was his fetish for > blue cars? Coz he is a KING. If you read the latest investigation of the Department of Color Seleccion at the Ministry of Communications at the Republic of Moldavia you will know that there is a preference of blue cars in people with power. For more information make an ftp to colors.mincomm.gov.mv and the directory is /pub/documents/ColSelDep/colors.tar.wow > 6) Should we expect the best action sequence award go to the Mighty > Morphin' Power Rangers? No, the absolute winner is VR Troopers, but maybe their award will be a virtual reality so the MMPR can win too, that means that a parallel award-universe can be created. This theory was written by the famous philosoper-scientist-cheapactor Tom Cruise, I think trying to demostrate that he can win an Oscar sometime. > 7) Are we reality or just it's mirror image? That's depends if you are looking at your .gif right now. > 8) When will the Trix rabbit take a hint? Didn't you see it??? It was on yesterday at the Home Shopping Channel! BTW guys the HSC is selling a new collection of lollipops, candies, Dino tshirts, baggy pants, and converse shoes!! wowowoowowowowowo. > 9) Why am I awake right now? Because you are suffering the stupidity-PImPAmPUM-cantsleep syndrome, they say acids are the fault of that, don't take it personal, it is not an insult, it's only a diagnostic. > 10) If Fuzzy Wuzzy was a bear and Fuzzy Wuzzy had no hair, then Fuzzy > Wuzzy wasn't really fuzzy was he? No, it was me when I shave my head last summer. > Just thought I'd ask. Hope to see you all at Utopia tonight. I'll be >the > one with the carver's glove and glossy eyes. Love you all... > > Oh REALLY??? I Will be with my SOOOPPAAAHHH DOOOPPPAAAHHH plattforms and my MEEEEGGGAAA-AAAAWWEESSOOOMMEEE dino-red-t-shirt and with a full bag of ULTRA-MEGA-CANDIES!!!!!!!!!! OHHHHHH I'M SOOOOOOOO RAD!!!!!!! ** thwappp myself ** Aggggghhhh .... Blah +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | ______ __ __ ____ ____ | jayvee@cy.math.uic.edu | | / / _ \ \ /\/ /__\ __\ | U16080@uicvm.uic.edu | | _/ / _ \ / / ___\ ___\ | Jayvee@IRC | | \____\_\ /_/_/\__/_____/____/ | jayvee@Vrave | | | | +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | The fun fun fun of the Mid-west Autobahn | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 20:45:47 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA25822; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:45:31 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA10467; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 13:42:16 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 13:42:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199411111936.TAA27914@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO rkj@intrepid.chm.jhu.edu: >>The only sin is self-hatred. >>It is the act of negation. >>Its opposite is faith. > >I think the only real sinful things are >those things which hurt other people. I feel there are always exceptions to generalizations like this. What about fighting back an assailant? Are you sinning by "hurting" them? When we go to war (either as a country, society, or culture), do we sin by "hurting" those we oppose... either by physical, social, economic or psychological means? >Hurting yourself isn't sinful, just stupid. Stupid to whom? If I cut off my foot to save my leg, is that stupid? If I sacrifice injury to myself in order to aid others (or myself), is this stupid? Or is it a calculated trade-off? In many instances, I think people that "hurt" themselves do it because they feel whatever happens as a result is worth the pain. As I see this, it's just another person's values. Not by any means an indication of their lack of intelligence. >Blasphemy and all that other religious crap >is just invented nonsense. As is sin, the concepts of universal right and wrong, good and evil, and what-have-you. In many cases I don't feel its entirely unwarranted; they obviously make some "sense" else we couldn't have been following them so militantly for centuries. They may be lacking in actual provable scientific origin, but for the most part they've provided society with a template for co-existance. Times changing so rapidly as they are, I feel we're finding that we're questioning them en masse' because they simply don't work so hot anymore. Left without some type of religious direction, however, and life loses any true accepted meaning. We're left to fend for ourselves, floundering amongst each other in muddled attempts at trying to make sense of it all. Sure, we cling to each other as best we can -- holding on, scared witless while trying to occupy our minds and bodies until we eventually cease to be. But in the end, as in the beginning, we're alone. And as technology provides us with more and more means to be connected to one another, it allows us to do this while physically remaining independent. Impersonal. Indirect. Alone. Maybe that's what makes this whole rave "experience" so amazing. We travel hundreds of miles each weekend to grapple with that whole vibe thing. Because when everything falls into place for those few short hours, when things get all weird and warm and connected and beautiful... it's nothing short of amazing. The thoughts of the outside world go away. Being alone goes away. We all become connected by some strange tribal rhythm within each of us that transcends the music or the drugs or anything... because if there's any real magic or religion in this world, at that very moment is the closest I've come to finding it. Be yourself, share of yourself, take others into yourself. Keep an open mind and and open heart, and maybe things will even work out okay in the end. :-) -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 20:54:32 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA25974; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:53:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA12464; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:46:27 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:46:27 -0600 Message-Id: <9411112045.AA01220@locutus.egr.msu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: telford1@egr.msu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: telford1@egr.msu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: MSU X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO any good techno parties in east lansing tonight? -john -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rave on my brothers and sisters! telford1@egr.msu.edu telford1@student.msu.edu <:)= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 21:08:45 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA26510; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 16:08:15 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA12942; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:58:31 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:58:31 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJCTTTKP2A8Y8KC0@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CONVERY@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Niall F Convery To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Contact No's for grinnell X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Sorry this is so late, but if you need to contact us for any urgent reason, or if you just want to talk, you can reach us at: Tigger : (515) 269 3634 Niall : (515) 269 3641 There is a much better chance that someone will be in Tigger's room, so try that number first......see you all here or in Cedar Rapids......:) Peace, Love & Joy, Niall :) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 21:17:05 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA26815; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 16:16:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA13256; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:05:53 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:05:53 -0600 Message-Id: <199411112105.AA07178@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: gmk40719@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Gregory M. Kus" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Right, wrong and the whole bit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > >>The only sin is self-hatred. > >>It is the act of negation. > >>Its opposite is faith. > > > >I think the only real sinful things are > >those things which hurt other people. When Jesus Christ was on this planet physically, He stated this: The whole of the law and commandments are summed up in these two: 1. Love the Lord you God with all of your heart, mind and soul. 2. Love your neighbor as yourself. LOVE is the whole law. In LOVE there is no wrong. unfortunately, Love seems to come in a rainbow of varieties now-a-days??? > RE:SIN> militantly for centuries. They may be lacking in actual provable > scientific origin, but for the most part they've provided society with a SCIENCE is a religion based on FAITH ---in my opinion society seems so willing to put their faith in a scientist in a lab---he/she is only human BTW. How has society developed to have faith in humans... Maybe because they can be seen as opposed to God who is unseen. So maybe people--scientists have become the new Golden Calfs of the 20th century whereas 2000+ years ago, during the time of Moses and the Jewish Exile, they contructed a Golden Idol to worship, because it was something they could see as opposed to God who is unseen. Today we have "modern science", "scientific fact" well I challange everyone to consider what "scientific fact" is you read a Biology book and you believe what is written there by Faith. You believe that it is "scientific fact" because an author claims it to be so. Darwinist Evolution--is a theory and I do not believe that it can be proven... in fact, as far as I know, Charles Darwin refuted his own claims and said that evolution was not true...I doubt that you will read that in any bio book. I guess towards the end of his life, he doubted his own theory. well.. Science is based on faith too. No matter how many experiments you can run, you still have faith that the next time you run an experiment, that it will work the same way....Well what happens when it doesn't? > > Be yourself, share of yourself, take others into yourself. Keep an open > mind and and open heart, and maybe things will even work out okay in the > end. :-) > And....Know yourself and Love yourself so that you can love others if you hate yourself, I doubt that you can love someone else. - In Love: Greg -- -Kus ~Living in the Circle of Illumination Between Night and Day~ _____________________________________________________________________________ Gregory M. Kus University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign gmk40719@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu CCSO Short Course Instructor NeXT Mail: gmk40719@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu gmk40719@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 22:05:28 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA27690; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 17:04:59 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA14114; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:58:45 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:58:45 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: c546488@showme.missouri.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: c546488@showme.missouri.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: R. armani & D Carter? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i here this rumor that both robert armani and derrick carter would be playing in st. louis on nov.19th. if someone could clarify this, please do. robi From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 23:12:51 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA29018; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 18:12:33 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA15318; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 17:06:36 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 17:06:36 -0600 Message-Id: <199411112306.SAA26452@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: broth.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: broth.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (jonas broth) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: sex AT raves X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, i don't know about all this sex at raves business. When you happen to come across one of those little rooms off in the nooks and crannies of the party and stummble across some E orgy i guess that's cool. At least it's out of the way. It's kind of like the room where all the nitrous tanks are. If you don't want to partake you just go somewhere else. But earlier this year i went to one of the Illuminator parties in Dayton, can't remember the name of it or exactly when it was, and this couple is going at it IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DANCE FLOOR! First off, it STANK! You know that smell of all those bodily fluids and the way it permeates the whole room. That junk is STANKY! Man, i just couldn't hack it. Really killed the vibe. And they were rolling around on the floor for a while. Here i'm trying to dance a little and have fun and i gotta be worried about stepping on someone's......parts! Ya know? I think the part that bugged me most was that she was totally Eed out and completely naked while he was fully clothed with just his pants pulled part way down. Granted, when he was standing up and she was literally hanging on him you can't really make the case that she was resisting but it wasn't any sensual loving experience like others have posted about. It was purely pneumatic. Just a horny asshole that saw the oppurtunity to take advantage of a drugged up peice of meat. Oh, i forgot to mention that she was making out with someone else at first when this guy pushed him out of the way and took over. Haven't been to a Dayton rave since. Some one else posted about "why we rave?" and i have a couple of reasons. At my first rave i really got into the whole cartoony, little kid just plain being silly aspects of the scene. I also found that through the lights and sounds and overall vibe of the crowd, i can recreate that psychedelic experience for myself without needing chemicals in my body. Another aspect that really dragged me in was this: Dancing till the sun comes up is a great release for all that sexual energy that builds up without all the negative side effects of sex (diseases, social pressures, and that whole cartload of emotional baggage that comes along with it and never seems to make sense). It sort of plays into the little kid role as well. It's simple, guilt free, childish fun without the complicated fetterings of the adult world (raving that is). Bringing sex into it only drags in all the complications of conflicts, exploitation and (the big doozie) HIV. The sort of real world issues i'm looking to escape when i flee to rave land. (yes, i admit it. it's an escapist experience as well) The whole free-love movement and the Huxleyian "Everybody belongs to everybody" philosophy are farcical ideas and a slap in the face of those key rave pillars, Love and Respect. And if we aren't looking to each other and building committed relationships based on Love AND Respect instead of disposable instant gratification experiences then we'll never acheive those other so highly sought after goals of Rave: Peace and Unity. PLUR, jonas. ============================================================================ jonas eric broth |from the 1992 AAA travel guide, broth.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu | on Columbus, Oh: |"...a main distinction of the city | is that it is not too distinctive..." ============================================================================ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 11 23:55:07 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA29954; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 18:54:47 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA15853; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 17:52:18 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 17:52:18 -0600 Message-Id: <199411112346.XAA08067@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: sex AT raves X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO broth.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu: >The whole free-love movement and the Huxleyian "Everybody belongs to >everybody" philosophy are farcical ideas and a slap in the face of those >key rave pillars, Love and Respect. And if we aren't looking to each other >and building committed relationships based on Love AND Respect instead of >disposable instant gratification experiences then we'll never acheive those >other so highly sought after goals of Rave: Peace and Unity. I disagree. The free-love movement wasn't necessarily about sex, nor was Huxley talking merely about physical bonding. When you share yourself completely with someone else, physically is only part of it. Depending on your value system, sex with another person can be extremely intimate, impersonal, or both. If you're okay with it, and the person you're doing whatever is okay with it, I don't see how this goes against any pro-PLUR idealism. You're peaceful, you're loving, you're uniting with another person, and you're obviously showing a level of respect amicable to the other person, otherwise you'd be raping them (and then I don't think they'd be "okay with it"). I feel you can love and respect others, _and_ have disposable instant gratification experiences -- and those experiences can be sexually-based or not. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 01:44:51 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA01982; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 20:44:34 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA16701; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 19:40:43 -0600 Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 19:40:43 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: stu@infochi.infochi.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stu Shea To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: sex AT raves X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Fri, 11 Nov 1994, jonas broth wrote: > The whole free-love movement and the Huxleyian "Everybody belongs to > everybody" philosophy are farcical ideas and a slap in the face of those > key rave pillars, Love and Respect. And if we aren't looking to each other > and building committed relationships based on Love AND Respect instead of > disposable instant gratification experiences then we'll never acheive those > other so highly sought after goals of Rave: Peace and Unity. While I am sympathetic to a vibe killed by a drugged-out young lady and a scummy dude (taking advantage of her) doing the thang on the dance floor at a rave, I hardly think that means that "free-love" and the Huxley ethic are "farcical". In order to justify that statement, one must assume that free love only exists when one is taking advantage of another. My understanding is that, at least on this list, some of the willing participants in rave sex have been women. PLUR doesn't just mean men not jumping on women; it also means women taking control of their own destinies -- which, for some women, may include free love. Instant gratification is an experience. While it's not the only experience worth having, and can kill a vibe, it can also be an end to itself. Instant gratification doesn't just include sex -- it can also include a cold lemonade on a hot day, a mushroom rush, an endorphin release from jumping up and down on the dance floor, or any number of physical or mentally overwhelming activities. I prefer to adhere to the "a place for everything and everything in its place" philosophy. In terms of sex at raves, I prefer to leave the possibilities open, but that it be at least a semi-private matter. Very much like ingestion of drugs at raves. That being said, most of the reasons I love raves (the music, the vibe, the deliciously illegal and underground sense of it all) have nothing to do with sex or drugs. Not that I am in the business of ruling things out, but that's not why I'm there. But I ain't telling anyone what else to do, just to have Respect for everyone else's sensibilities. Having sex on the dancefloor is sort of like stepping on someone else's feet, in my opinion. It's not necessary. I was at a dance club last week when a slightly (?) drunk woman in her early 30s (a couple of years older than me) got up on a chair and started to do a striptease routine in front of her boyfriend (?) and several other friends. She didn't stop until she had simulated stroking herself very graphically with her pants halfway down. Weird, fucked-up, out of place, and not respectful of others' space. But...nobody MADE her do it. People sure are interesting... Anyhow, PLUR indeed. Have a nice weekend, everybody...please drive safely Stu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 06:15:18 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA05944; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 01:14:54 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA18840; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 00:13:25 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 00:13:25 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: itheo@edsi.appleton.wi.us Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: itheo@edsi.appleton.wi.us (Eric Thiel) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Liquid Love... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well...I know it is a little early, but...Everyone should come up to liquid love, in my own city!!! THis is one NOT to miss. We have had several smaller parties compliments of Network 10, and this should be just as eXcellent... Let me know if anyone is planning to come, I will see about a possible pre-meeting spot. Worst-case scenario, you all can come and meet my mom... &8-O ...-=Itheo=-... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 06:15:36 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA05957; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 01:15:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA18898; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 00:14:00 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 00:14:00 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: itheo@edsi.appleton.wi.us Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: itheo@edsi.appleton.wi.us (Eric Thiel) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: This sex thing... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Now...about this sex at raves thing...I think it is DISGUSTING!!! &;^) Actually...I have never had the chance to try it, but if there is anyone interested ou*THWAK* (<--Angry galfriend...) I think it sounds interesting...I deleted most of the messages 'cause I wanted to make sure all of the drug ones were gone, but did anyone out there say THEY have? How about near the wall(b-hind?!?) Just wonderin...Itheo From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 08:00:14 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA06927; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 02:59:53 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA19912; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 01:58:55 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 01:58:55 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: lhsimmon@artsci.wustl.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Leigh H. Simmons" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: robert armani in st. loooie X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO well... robert armani will be in st. louis on FRIDAY nov. 18th... not the 19th.... no word of derrick carter.. but if ya really wanna find out.. the loveline should have all the info.... loveline: (314) 994-1114 lotsa hugs devil girl From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 10:05:12 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id FAA07975; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 05:05:02 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA20798; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 04:03:48 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 04:03:48 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: synergy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Bradley John Owen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Push...Tonight in Milwaukee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well Folks... I'm just trying to get an idea as to whether anyone will be heading to push tonight in Milwaukee...it's cheaper than the average party...will not get busted and has a guaranteed afterhours party. I'd definitely like to meet afew more net raver gals and fellows...so e-mail me or let's all meet somewhere. If you can't make it to the party...try to tune in to WMSE between 9 and 12...it will be simultaneously broadcasted...I believe that my set...Toby Tyler's...and Yanu's live PA should be on. Other than that... A lot of incredible tracks have been coming out...I definitely think that the US remix Ep of the Drum Club's "Drums are Dangerous" is worth checking out. The Hardkiss mix is probably my personal favorite...but the Prototype 909 mix is a close second. And for those of us who missed it the first time around....Phuture's "We are Phuture" and "Acid Tracks" have been repressed by Chicago's Trax Records. I definitely recommend picking that one up. The Air Liquide CD is a definite must have for pure listening music...it's a 23 song...two disc set...one of ambient music, the other of their more danceable material. It's a compilation of...like six records..."Liquid Air" "Space Brothers" etc. Yummy. The new Plastikman is quite the incredible slab(s) of wax...one thing which I totally give him props for is the fact that he uses sounds which one will never hear anywhere else...in ways which make his music rise to the pinnacle of creativity. Alot of the material isn't danceable but serves well for chillin' to. (shameless plug----> check out my interview with Mr. Hawtin in Issue Seven of Massive Magazine). Nonetheless... for those of you who care. here is my current top ten picks. -The Drum Club...Drums are Dangerous Hardkiss Style (Instinct, US) -A Man Called Adam...Little Miss Pepperpot (Other, UK) -That's-A-Noise...Livin' My Life (Cleveland City, UK) -Cardinal...BodySlide Ep (City Of Angels, US) -The African Dream...All in The Same Family (Work, UK) -Mr. Funkster Ep (Rampant, US) -Key Aura...Hot Dog (Consolidated, UK) -Paradise 3001...Sun Spots Ep (ESP, Belgium) -Burger Industries...Virtual Elvis (Eat Raw, Germany) -Yanu....b50 Lab Experiment (430 West Records, US) Oh yeah...the debut Ep from Milwaukee's own creator of the mid-tempo high energy acid tracks will be released middle of next month by 430 West Records Detroit. It should be around on White Label within the next few weeks...definitely keep your eyes out for those tracks. They are smokers! (or catch them live at Push tonight) Peace and sorry for all the rambling Brad Synergy Quadrasonic Promotions Massive Magazine (bissel vaccuum dj unit) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 14:36:10 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id JAA10310; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 09:36:00 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA22375; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 08:34:06 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 08:34:06 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: yo HOMEys X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO smart bar by the metro...1 am WE MEET i'll be wearin grey old-man shoes i gots long dark hair, malcolm x glasses, and beatnik fashion sense hope ta see yas ++ e d Ob mwrave: the flier i have does have hyperactive... btw-did you know joe's related to that bad pop band the JETS? true true From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 19:03:11 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA14443; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:02:58 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA24275; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 13:00:37 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 13:00:37 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: synergy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Bradley John Owen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Last Night in Milwaukee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Last night some crazy shit went down in Milwaukee. We showed up at the 32nd and Hampton warehouse around 11:30pm (I can say 32nd and Hampton on here now...It's apparently no big secret). We had been asked to spin last Sunday...so we showed up and were told by some overzealous house DJ (unscheduled mind you) that we would be going on around 3:30. The words "fuck that" came to mind...so we chilled out and left. I wasn't about to play the game of kill for the turntables. So anyway...for those of you who know the setup of the 32nd and Hampton warehouse complex...they decided to not allow the parking lot to be used in order to be discreet...but their plan failed when six or seven cars parked directly in front of the door on Hampton avenue (not too smart if you're trying to not gain attention). Anyway...the story goes like this according to someone who was there....10 or so squad cars showed up...busted the place...took down everyone's name...arrested the two promoters (who are supposedly in jail right now...I cannot confirm this so don't kill me if any of this info is incorrect)...busted a friend of mine wit hash. All around fucked up situation...however, they were basically begging to be busted...there were a ton of Racine/Kenosha gang bangin' types there...they had all those cars in front. It's a shame and all. And...what the fuck is up with all the alcohol being consumed there...that's another way for a promoter to ask for jail time. Oh well...maybe someone who stuck around longer could provide more specific information. That was the intended Push afterhours location...hopefully another will be found before tonight...I hope to see a few of y'all there. Brad Synergy Quadrasonic Promotions Massive Magazine (bissel vaccuum dj unit) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 19:08:32 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA14532; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:08:21 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA24477; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 13:06:51 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 13:06:51 -0600 Message-Id: <941112140547_6158107@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: IMalbon@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: IMalbon@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Brad's post and the MUSIC... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO It was Bradley John Owen, needlessly apologetic for "rambling" who reviewed: >The new Plastikman is quite the incredible slab(s) of wax...one thing >which I totally give him props for is the fact that he uses sounds which >one will never hear anywhere else...in ways which make his music rise to >the pinnacle of creativity. Alot of the material isn't danceable but >serves well for chillin' to. Agreed on all counts. I'm a bit of a F.U.S.E./Plastikman/up!/Circuit Breaker/just plain ole Richie addict myself. I'm trying to recover, and not overhype the guy too much. Coolest thing about Richie is his EARS. The most amazing things happen when you turn a Plastik Produkt up to maximum volume with extreme stereo separation. There are subtle harmonic shifts and changes in phasing that are VERY entertaining in any state of mind. Richie's priority is the MUSIC. I dig that. >(shameless plug----> check out my interview >with Mr. Hawtin in Issue Seven of Massive Magazine). How can I, a mere Detroit-dwelling mortal, check out said interview? Hook me up? And finally: >here is my current top ten picks. Thanks bunches. I wish there were just a few more posts with discussion about the sounds we all seem to enjoy grooving to. I know someone may take this opportunity to remind me that this *is* mw-raves, not alt.music.techno, or some other dj-list, but I don't care. If the music makers aren't a primary component of the scene, then I don't know what is! Now, with new top ten list in hand, I'm off to Record Time to do some hunting-gathering. (P.S. Good to be back on the list after extending computer servicing. :( Also good to see some Upside-Down props to my man dj T-1000. Fast-Forward Lives On!) ==> Therefore I.M. <== From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 19:26:25 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA14785; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:25:53 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA24799; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 13:19:40 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 13:19:40 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mkessler@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: michael john kessler To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: holy grail X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ -- the strictly unofficial script of the movie The Cast (in order of appearance [roughly]): KING ARTHUR : Graham Chapman PATSY : Terry Gilliam GUARD #1 : Michael Palin GUARD #2 : John Cleese MORTICIAN : Eric Idle CUSTOMER : John Cleese DEAD PERSON : ??? DENNIS : Michael Palin WOMAN : Terry Jones BLACK KNIGHT : John Cleese (?) VILLAGER #1 : Eric Idle VILLAGER #2 : Michael Palin SIR BEDEMIR : Terry Jones WITCH : Connie Booth VILLAGER #3 : John Cleese NARRATOR: Michael Palin SIR LAUNCELOT : John Cleese SIR GALAHAD : Michael Palin SIR ROBIN : Eric Idle GOD : ??? FRENCH GUARD : John Cleese MINSTREL : ??? LEFT HEAD : Terry Jones MIDDLE HEAD : Graham Chapman RIGHT HEAD : Michael Palin OLD MAN : Terry Gilliam HEAD KNIGHT OF NEE : Michael Palin FATHER : Michael Palin PRINCE HERBERT : Terry Jones GUARD #1 : Eric Idle GUARD #2 : ??? CONCORDE : Eric Idle OLD CRONE : ??? ROGER (THE SHRUBBER) : Eric Idle TIM (THE ENCHANTER): John Cleese BROTHER MAYNARD: Eric Idle SECOND BROTHER: Michael Palin Scene 1 [wind] [clop clop] ARTHUR: Whoa there! [clop clop] GUARD #1: Halt! Who goes there? ARTHUR: It is I, Arthur, son of Uther Pendragon, from the castle of Camelot. King of the Britons, defeator of the Saxons, sovereign of all England! GUARD #1: Pull the other one! ARTHUR: I am. And this my trusty servant Patsy. We have ridden the length and breadth of the land in search of knights who will join me in my court of Camelot. I must speak with your lord and master. GUARD #1: What, ridden on a horse? ARTHUR: Yes! GUARD #1: You're using coconuts! ARTHUR: What? GUARD #1: You've got two empty halves of coconut and you're bangin' 'em together. ARTHUR: So? We have ridden since the snows of winter covered this land, through the kingdom of Mercea, through-- GUARD #1: Where'd you get the coconut? ARTHUR: We found them. GUARD #1: Found them? In Mercea? The coconut's tropical! ARTHUR: What do you mean? GUARD #1: Well, this is a temperate zone. ARTHUR: The swallow may fly south with the sun or the house martin or the plumber may seek warmer climes in winter yet these are not strangers to our land. GUARD #1: Are you suggesting coconuts are migratory? ARTHUR: Not at all, they could be carried. GUARD #1: What -- a swallow carrying a coconut? ARTHUR: It could grip it by the husk! GUARD #1: It's not a question of where he grips it! It's a simple question of weight ratios! A five ounce bird could not carry a 1 pound coconut. ARTHUR: Well, it doesn't matter. Will you go and tell your master that Arthur from the Court of Camelot is here. GUARD #1: Listen, in order to maintain air-speed velocity, a swallow needs to beat its wings 43 times every second, right? ARTHUR: Please! GUARD #1: Am I right? ARTHUR: I'm not interested! GUARD #2: It could be carried by an African swallow! GUARD #1: Oh, yeah, an African swallow maybe, but not a European swallow, that's my point. GUARD #2: Oh, yeah, I agree with that... ARTHUR: Will you ask your master if he wants to join my court at Camelot?! GUARD #1: But then of course African swallows are not migratory. GUARD #2: Oh, yeah... GUARD #1: So they couldn't bring a coconut back anyway... [clop clop] GUARD #2: Wait a minute -- supposing two swallows carried it together? GUARD #1: No, they'd have to have it on a line. GUARD #2: Well, simple! They'd just use a standard creeper! GUARD #1: What, held under the dorsal guiding feathers? GUARD #2: Well, why not? Scene 2 MORTICIAN: Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead! [clang] Bring out your dead! [clang] Bring out your dead! [clang] Bring out your dead! [clang] Bring out your dead! CUSTOMER: Here's one -- nine pence. DEAD PERSON: I'm not dead! MORTICIAN: What? CUSTOMER: Nothing -- here's your nine pence. DEAD PERSON: I'm not dead! MORTICIAN: Here -- he says he's not dead! CUSTOMER: Yes, he is. DEAD PERSON: I'm not! MORTICIAN: He isn't. CUSTOMER: Well, he will be soon, he's very ill. DEAD PERSON: I'm getting better! CUSTOMER: No, you're not -- you'll be stone dead in a moment. MORTICIAN: Oh, I can't take him like that -- it's against regulations. DEAD PERSON: I don't want to go in the cart! CUSTOMER: Oh, don't be such a baby. MORTICIAN: I can't take him... DEAD PERSON: I feel fine! CUSTOMER: Oh, do us a favor... MORTICIAN: I can't. CUSTOMER: Well, can you hang around a couple of minutes? He won't be long. MORTICIAN: Naaah, I got to go on to Robinson's -- they've lost nine today. CUSTOMER: Well, when is your next round? MORTICIAN: Thursday. DEAD PERSON: I think I'll go for a walk. CUSTOMER: You're not fooling anyone y'know. Look, isn't there something you can do? DEAD PERSON: I feel happy... I feel happy. [whop] CUSTOMER: Ah, thanks very much. MORTICIAN: Not at all. See you on Thursday. CUSTOMER: Right. [clop clop] MORTICIAN: Who's that then? CUSTOMER: I don't know. MORTICIAN: Must be a king. CUSTOMER: Why? MORTICIAN: He hasn't got shit all over him. Scene 3 [clop clop] ARTHUR: Old woman! DENNIS: Man! ARTHUR: Man, sorry. What knight lives in that castle over there? DENNIS: I'm thirty seven. ARTHUR: What? DENNIS: I'm thirty seven -- I'm not old! ARTHUR: Well, I can't just call you `Man'. DENNIS: Well, you could say `Dennis'. ARTHUR: Well, I didn't know you were called `Dennis.' DENNIS: Well, you didn't bother to find out, did you? ARTHUR: I did say sorry about the `old woman,' but from the behind you looked-- DENNIS: What I object to is you automatically treat me like an inferior! ARTHUR: Well, I AM king... DENNIS: Oh king, eh, very nice. An' how'd you get that, eh? By exploitin' the workers -- by 'angin' on to outdated imperialist dogma which perpetuates the economic an' social differences in our society! If there's ever going to be any progress-- WOMAN: Dennis, there's some lovely filth down here. Oh -- how d'you do? ARTHUR: How do you do, good lady. I am Arthur, King of the Britons. Who's castle is that? WOMAN: King of the who? ARTHUR: The Britons. WOMAN: Who are the Britons? ARTHUR: Well, we all are. we're all Britons and I am your king. WOMAN: I didn't know we had a king. I thought we were an autonomous collective. DENNIS: You're fooling yourself. We're living in a dictatorship. A self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes-- WOMAN: Oh there you go, bringing class into it again. DENNIS: That's what it's all about if only people would-- ARTHUR: Please, please good people. I am in haste. Who lives in that castle? WOMAN: No one live there. ARTHUR: Then who is your lord? WOMAN: We don't have a lord. ARTHUR: What? DENNIS: I told you. We're an anarcho-syndicalist commune. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week. ARTHUR: Yes. DENNIS: But all the decision of that officer have to be ratified at a special biweekly meeting. ARTHUR: Yes, I see. DENNIS: By a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs,-- ARTHUR: Be quiet! DENNIS: --but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more-- ARTHUR: Be quiet! I order you to be quiet! WOMAN: Order, eh -- who does he think he is? ARTHUR: I am your king! WOMAN: Well, I didn't vote for you. ARTHUR: You don't vote for kings. WOMAN: Well, 'ow did you become king then? ARTHUR: The Lady of the Lake, [angels sing] her arm clad in the purest shimmering samite, held aloft Excalibur from the bosom of the water signifying by Divine Providence that I, Arthur, was to carry Excalibur. [singing stops] That is why I am your king! DENNIS: Listen -- strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. Supreme executive power derives from a mandate from the masses, not from some farcical aquatic ceremony. ARTHUR: Be quiet! DENNIS: Well you can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw a sword at you! ARTHUR: Shut up! DENNIS: I mean, if I went around sayin' I was an empereror just because some moistened bint had lobbed a scimitar at me they'd put me away! ARTHUR: Shut up! Will you shut up! DENNIS: Ah, now we see the violence inherent in the system. ARTHUR: Shut up! DENNIS: Oh! Come and see the violence inherent in the system! HELP! HELP! I'm being repressed! ARTHUR: Bloody peasant! DENNIS: Oh, what a give away. Did you here that, did you here that, eh? That's what I'm on about -- did you see him repressing me, you saw it didn't you? Scene 4 [battle sounds] [Black Knight defeats a worthless-piece-of-shit-knight] ARTHUR: You fight with the strength of many men, Sir knight. I am Arthur, King of the Britons. [pause] I seek the finest and the bravest knights in the land to join me in my Court of Camelot. [pause] You have proved yourself worthy; will you join me? [pause] You make me sad. So be it. Come, Patsy. BLACK KNIGHT: None shall pass. ARTHUR: What? BLACK KNIGHT: None shall pass. ARTHUR: I have no quarrel with you, good Sir knight, but I must cross this bridge. BLACK KNIGHT: Then you shall die. ARTHUR: I command you as King of the Britons to stand aside! BLACK KNIGHT: I move for no man. ARTHUR: So be it! [hah] [parry thrust] [ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's left arm off] ARTHUR: Now stand aside, worthy adversary. BLACK KNIGHT: 'Tis but a scratch. ARTHUR: A scratch? Your arm's off! BLACK KNIGHT: No, it isn't. ARTHUR: Well, what's that then? BLACK KNIGHT: I've had worse. ARTHUR: You liar! BLACK KNIGHT: Come on you pansy! [hah] [parry thrust] [ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's right arm off] ARTHUR: Victory is mine! [kneeling] We thank thee Lord, that in thy merc- [Black Knight kicks Arthur in the head while he is praying] BLACK KNIGHT: Come on then. ARTHUR: What? BLACK KNIGHT: Have at you! ARTHUR: You are indeed brave, Sir knight, but the fight is mine. BLACK KNIGHT: Oh, had enough, eh? ARTHUR: Look, you stupid bastard, you've got no arms left. BLACK KNIGHT: Yes I have. ARTHUR: Look! BLACK KNIGHT: Just a flesh wound. [Headbutts Arthur in the chest] ARTHUR: Look, stop that. BLACK KNIGHT: Chicken! Chicken! ARTHUR: Look, I'll have your leg. Right! [whop] BLACK KNIGHT: Right, I'll do you for that! ARTHUR: You'll what? BLACK KNIGHT: Come 'ere! ARTHUR: What are you going to do, bleed on me? BLACK KNIGHT: I'm invincible! ARTHUR: You're a loony. BLACK KNIGHT: The Black Knight always triumphs! Have at you! Come on then. [whop] [ARTHUR chops the BLACK KNIGHT's other leg off] BLACK KNIGHT: All right; we'll call it a draw. ARTHUR: Come, Patsy. BLACK KNIGHT: Oh, oh, I see, running away then. You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what's coming to you. I'll bite your legs off! Scene 5 CROWD: A witch! A witch! A witch! We've got a witch! A witch! VILLAGER #1: We have found a witch, might we burn her? CROWD: Burn her! Burn! BEDEMIR: How do you know she is a witch? VILLAGER #2: She looks like one. BEDEMIR: Bring her forward. WITCH: I'm not a witch. I'm not a witch. BEDEMIR: But you are dressed as one. WITCH: They dressed me up like this. CROWD: No, we didn't -- no. WITCH: And this isn't my nose, it's a false one. BEDEMIR: Well? VILLAGER #1: Well, we did do the nose. BEDEMIR: The nose? VILLAGER #1: And the hat -- but she is a witch! CROWD: Burn her! Witch! Witch! Burn her! BEDEMIR: Did you dress her up like this? CROWD: No, no... no ... yes. Yes, yes, a bit, a bit. VILLAGER #1: She has got a wart. BEDEMIR: What makes you think she is a witch? VILLAGER #3: Well, she turned me into a newt. BEDEMIR: A newt? VILLAGER #3: I got better. VILLAGER #2: Burn her anyway! CROWD: Burn! Burn her! BEDEMIR: Quiet, quiet. Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she is a witch. CROWD: Are there? What are they? BEDEMIR: Tell me, what do you do with witches? VILLAGER #2: Burn! CROWD: Burn, burn them up! BEDEMIR: And what do you burn apart from witches? VILLAGER #1: More witches! VILLAGER #2: Wood! BEDEMIR: So, why do witches burn? [pause] VILLAGER #3: B--... 'cause they're made of wood...? BEDEMIR: Good! CROWD: Oh yeah, yeah... BEDEMIR: So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood? VILLAGER #1: Build a bridge out of her. BEDEMIR: Aah, but can you not also build bridges out of stone? VILLAGER #2: Oh, yeah. BEDEMIR: Does wood sink in water? VILLAGER #1: No, no. VILLAGER #2: It floats! It floats! VILLAGER #1: Throw her into the pond! CROWD: The pond! BEDEMIR: What also floats in water? VILLAGER #1: Bread! VILLAGER #2: Apples! VILLAGER #3: Very small rocks! VILLAGER #1: Cider! VILLAGER #2: Great gravy! VILLAGER #1: Cherries! VILLAGER #2: Mud! VILLAGER #3: Churches -- churches! VILLAGER #2: Lead -- lead! ARTHUR: A duck. CROWD: Oooh. BEDEMIR: Exactly! So, logically..., VILLAGER #1: If... she.. weighs the same as a duck, she's made of wood. BEDEMIR: And therefore--? VILLAGER #1: A witch! CROWD: A witch! BEDEMIR: We shall use my largest scales! [yelling] BEDEMIR: Right, remove the supports! [whop] [creak] CROWD: A witch! A witch! WITCH: It's a fair cop. CROWD: Burn her! Burn! [yelling] BEDEMIR: Who are you who are so wise in the ways of science? ARTHUR: I am Arthur, King of the Britons. BEDEMIR: My liege! ARTHUR: Good Sir knight, will you come with me to Camelot, and join us at the Round Table? BEDEMIR: My liege! I would be honored. ARTHUR: What is your name? BEDEMIR: Bedemir, my leige. ARTHUR: Then I dub you Sir Bedemir, Knight of the Round Table. [Narrative Interlude] NARRATOR: The wise Sir Bedemir was the first to join King Arthur's knights, but other illustrious names were soon to follow: Sir Launcelot the Brave; Sir Galahad the Pure; and Sir Robin the Not-quite-so-brave-as-Sir-Launcelot who had nearly fought the Dragon of Agnor, who had nearly stood up to the vicious Chicken of Bristol and who had personally wet himself at the Battle of Badon Hill; and the aptly named Sir Not-appearing-in-this-film. Together they formed a band whose names and deeds were to be retold throughout the centuries, the Knights of the Round Table. Scene 6 BEDEMIR: And that, my liege, is how we know the Earth to be banana-shaped. ARTHUR: This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedemir. Explain again how sheeps' bladders may be employed to prevent earthquakes. BEDEMIR: Oh, certainly, sir. LAUNCELOT: Look, my liege! ARTHUR: Camelot! GALAHAD: Camelot! LAUNCELOT: Camelot! PATSY: It's only a model. ARTHUR: Shhh! Knights, I bid you welcome to your new home. Let us ride... to Camelot. [singing] We're knights of the round table We dance when e'er we're able We do routines and parlour scenes With footwork impecc-Able. We dine well here in Camelot We eat ham and jam and spam a lot [dancing] We're knights of the Round Table Our shows are for-mid-able Oh many times we're given rhymes That are quite unsing-able We not so fat in Camelot We sing from the diaphragm a lot [tap-dancing] Oh we're tough and able Quite indefatigable Between our quests we [something] And impersonate Clark Gable It's a bit too loud in Camelot I have to push the pram a lot. ARTHUR: Well, on second thought, let's not go to Camelot -- it is a silly place. Right. Scene 7 GOD: Arthur! Arthur, King of the Britons! Oh, don't grovel! If there's one thing I can't stand, it's people groveling. ARTHUR: Sorry-- GOD: And don't apologize. Every time I try to talk to someone it's "sorry this" and "forgive me that" and "I'm not worthy". What are you doing now!? ARTHUR: I'm averting my eyes, oh Lord. GOD: Well, don't. It's like those miserable Psalms -- they're so depressing. Now knock it off! ARTHUR: Yes, Lord. GOD: Right! Arthur, King of the Britons -- you're Knights of the Round Table shall have a task to make them an example in these dark times. ARTHUR: Good idea, oh Lord! GOD: 'Course it's a good idea! Behold! Arthur, this is the Holy Grail. Look well, Arthur, for it is your sacred task to seek this Grail. That is your purpose, Arthur -- the Quest for the Holy Grail. ARTHUR: A blessing! LAUNCELOT: A blessing from the Lord! GALAHAD: God be praised! Scene 8 [clop clop] ARTHUR: Halt! Hallo! Hallo! GUARD: 'Allo! Who is zis? ARTHUR: It is King Arthur, and these are the Knights of the Round Table. Who's castle is this? GUARD: This is the castle of my master, Guido Wommer! ARTHUR: Go and tell your master that we have been charged by God with a sacred quest. If he will give us food and shelter for the night he can join us in our quest for the Holy Grail. GUARD: Well, I'll ask him, but I don't think he'll be very keen... Uh, he's already got one, you see? ARTHUR: What? GALAHAD: He says they've already got one! ARTHUR: Are you sure he's got one? GUARD: Oh, yes, it's very nice-a (I told him we already got one) ARTHUR: Well, um, can we come up and have a look? GUARD: Of course not! You are English types-a! ARTHUR: Well, what are you then? GUARD: I'm French! Why do think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king! GALAHAD: What are you doing in England? GUARD: Mind your own business! ARTHUR: If you will not show us the Grail, we shall take your castle by force! GUARD: You don't frighten us, English pig-dogs! Go and boil your bottoms, sons of a silly person. I blow my nose at you, so-called Arthur-king, you and all your silly English kaniggets. Thppppt! GALAHAD: What a strange person. ARTHUR: Now look here, my good man! GUARD: I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough water! I fart in your general direction! You mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries! GALAHAD: Is there someone else up there we could talk to? GUARD: No, now go away or I shall taunt you a second time-a! ARTHUR: Now, this is your last chance. I've been more than reasonable. GUARD: (Fetch-e la vache.) wha? GUARD: (Fetch-e la vache!) [moo!] ARTHUR: If you do not agree to my commands, then I shall-- [twong] [mooooooo] Jesus Christ! Right! Charge! ALL: Charge! [mayhem] GUARD: Ah, this one is for your mother! [twong] ALL: Run away! GUARD: Thpppt! [ after running away...] LAUNCELOT: Fiends! I'll tear them apart! ARTHUR: No no, no. BEDEMIR: Sir! I have a plan, sir. [later] [chop] [rumble rumble squeak] MUTTERING GUARDS: ce labon a bunny do wha? un codoo? a present! oh, un codoo. oui oui hurry! wha-? let's go! [rumble rumble squeak] ARTHUR: What happens now? BEDEMIR: Well, now, uh, Launcelot, Galahad, and I, wait until nightfall, and then leap out of the rabbit, taking the French by surprise -- not only by surprise, but totally unarmed! ARTHUR: Who leaps out? BEDEMIR: Uh, Launcelot, Galahad, and I. Uh, leap out of the rabbit, uh and uh.... ARTHUR: Oh.... BEDEMIR: Oh.... Um, l-look, if we built this large wooden badger-- [twong] ALL: Run away! Run away! Run away! Run away! [splat] GUARDS: Oh, haw haw haw. Scene 9 Pictures for Schools, take 8. DIRECTOR: Action! NARRATOR: Defeat at the castle seems to have utterly disheartened King Arthur. The ferocity of the French taunting took him completely by surprise, and Arthur became convinced that a new strategy was required if the quest for the Holy Grail were to be brought to a successful conclusion. Arthur, having consulted his closest knights, decided that they should separate, and search for the Grail individually. Now, this is what they did-- [clop clop] [An unknown knight rides in and stabs the narrator] WOMAN: Greg! Scene 10 NARRATOR: The Tale of Sir Robin.... So each of the knights went their separate ways. Sir Robin rode north, through the dark forest of Ewing, accompanied by his favorite minstrels. MINSTREL (singing): Bravely bold Sir Robin, rode forth from Camelot. He was not afraid to die, o Brave Sir Robin. He was not at all afraid to be killed in nasty ways. Brave, brave, brave, brave Sir Robin! He was not in the least bit scared to be mashed into a pulp, Or to have his eyes gouged out, and his elbows broken. To have his kneecaps split, and his body burned away, And his limbs all hacked and mangled, brave Sir Robin! His head smashed in and his heart cut out, And his liver removed and his bowels unplugged, And his nostrils ripped and his bottom burned off, And his balls... ROBIN: That's -- that's, uh, that's enough music for now, lads. Looks like there's dirty work afoot. DENNIS: Anarcho-syndicalism is a way of preserving freedom. WOMAN: Oh, Dennis, forget about freedom. Now I've dropped my mud. ALL HEADS: Halt! Who art thou? MINSTREL (singing): He is brave Sir Robin, brave Sir Robin, who-- ROBIN: Shut up! Um, n-n-nobody really, I'm j-just um, just passing through. ALL HEADS: What do you want? MINSTREL (singing): To fight, and-- ROBIN: Shut up! Um, oo, n-nothing, nothing really -- I, uh, j-j-ust to um, just to p-pass through good Sir knight. ALL HEADS: I'm afraid not! ROBIN: Ah. W-well, actually I am a Knight of the Round Table. ALL HEADS: You're a Knight of the Round Table? ROBIN: I am. LEFT HEAD: In that case I shall have to kill you. MIDDLE HEAD: Shall I? RIGHT HEAD: Oh, I don't think so. MIDDLE HEAD: Well, what do I think? LEFT HEAD: I think kill him. RIGHT HEAD: Well let's be nice to him. MIDDLE HEAD: Oh shut up. LEFT HEAD: Perhaps- MIDDLE HEAD: And you. LEFT HEAD: Oh quick get the sword out I want to cut his head off! RIGHT HEAD: Oh, cut your own head off! MIDDLE HEAD: Yes, do us all a favor! LEFT HEAD: What? RIGHT HEAD: Yapping on all the time. MIDDLE HEAD: You're lucky, you're not next to him. LEFT HEAD: What do you mean? MIDDLE HEAD: You snore. LEFT HEAD: Oh I don't -- anyway, you've got bad breath. MIDDLE HEAD: Well its only because you don't brush my teeth. RIGHT HEAD: Oh stop bitching and let's go have tea. LEFT HEAD: All right all right all right we'll kill him first and then have tea and biscuits. MIDDLE HEAD: Yes. RIGHT HEAD: Oh, but not biscuits. LEFT HEAD: All right all right not biscuits, but lets kill him anyway. ALL HEADS: Right! LEFT HEAD: He buggered off. RIGHT HEAD: So he has, he's scarpered. MINSTREL (singing): Brave Sir Robin ran away ROBIN: No! MINSTREL (singing): Bravely ran away away ROBIN: I didn't! MINSTREL (singing): When danger reared its ugly head, He bravely turned his tail and fled ROBIN: No! MINSTREL (singing): Yes Brave Sir Robin turned about ROBIN: I didn't! MINSTREL (singing): And gallantly he chickened out Bravely taking to his feet ROBIN: I never did! MINSTREL (singing): He beat a very brave retreat ROBIN: Oh, lie! MINSTREL (singing): Bravest of the brave Sir Robin ROBIN: I never! Scene 11 NARRATOR: The Tale of Sir Galahad [boom crash] [angels singing] [pound pound pound] GALAHAD: Open the door! Open the door! [pound pound pound] In the name of King Arthur, open the door! [squeak thump] [squeak boom] ALL: Hello! ZOOT: Welcome gentle Sir knight, welcome to the Castle Anthrax. GALAHAD: The Castle Anthrax? ZOOT: Yes... oh, it's not a very good name is it? Oh! but we are nice and we shall attend to your every, every need! GALAHAD: You are the keepers of the Holy Grail? ZOOT: The what? GALAHAD: The Grail -- it is here? ZOOT: Oh, but you are tired, and you must rest awhile. Midget! Crepper! MIDGET and CREPPER: Yes, oh Zoot! ZOOT: Prepare a bed for our guest. MIDGET and CREPPER: Oh thank you thank you thank you-- ZOOT: Away away vile peasents! The beds here are warm and soft -- and very, very big. GALAHAD: Well, look, I-I-uh-- ZOOT: What is your name, handsome knight? GALAHAD: Sir Galahad... the Chaste. ZOOT: Mine is Zoot... just Zoot. Oh, but come! GALAHAD: Look, please! In God's name, show me the Grail! ZOOT: Oh, you have suffered much! You are delirious! GALAHAD: L-look, I have seen it! It is here, in the-- ZOOT: Sir Galahad! You would not be so ungallant as to refuse our hospitality. GALAHAD: Well, I-I-uh-- ZOOT: Oh, I am afraid our life must seem very dull and quiet compared to yours. We are but eight score young blondes and brunettes, all between sixteen and nineteen and a half, cut off in this castle with no one to protect us! Oh, it is a lonely life -- bathing, dressing, undressing, making exciting underwear.... We are just not used to handsome knights. Nay, nay, come, come, you may lie here. Oh, but you are wounded! GALAHAD: No, no -- i-it's nothing! ZOOT: Oh, but you must see the doctors immediately! No, no, please, lie down. [clap clap] PIGLET: Ah. What seems to be the trouble? GALAHAD: They're doctors?! ZOOT: Uh, they've had a basic medical training, yes. GALAHAD: B-but-- ZOOT: Oh, come come, you must try to rest! Doctor Piglet, Doctor Winston, practice your art. PIGLET: Try to relax. GALAHAD: Are you sure that's necessary? PIGLET: We must examine you. GALAHAD: There's nothing wrong with that! PIGLET: Please -- we are doctors. GALAHAD: Get off the bed! I am sworn to chastity! PIGLET: Back to your bed! GALAHAD: Torment me no longer! I have seen the Grail! PIGLET: There's no grail here. GALAHAD: I have seen it, I have seen it. I have seen-- GIRLS: Hello. GALAHAD: Oh-- VARIOUS GIRLS: Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. GALAHAD: Zoot! DINGO: No, I am Zoot's identical twin sister, Dingo. GALAHAD: Oh, well, excuse me, I-- DINGO: Where are you going? GALAHAD: I seek the Grail! I have seen it, here in this castle! DINGO: No! Oh, no! Bad, bad Zoot! GALAHAD: What is it? DINGO: Oh, wicked, bad, naughty Zoot! She has been setting alight to our beacon, which, I just remembered, is grail-shaped. It's not the first time we've had this problem. GALAHAD: It's not the real Grail? DINGO: Oh, wicked, bad, naughty, evil Zoot! Oh, she is a naughty person, and she must pay the penalty -- and here in Castle Anthrax, we have but one punishment for setting alight the grail-shaped beacon. You must tie her down on a bed and spank her! GIRLS: A spanking! A spanking! DINGO: You must spank her well. And after you have spanked her, you may deal with her as you like. And then, spank me. VARIOUS GIRLS: And spank me. And me. And me. DINGO: Yes, yes, you must give us all a good spanking! GIRLS: A spanking! A spanking! DINGO: And after the spanking, the oral sex. GIRLS: Oral sex! Oral sex! GALAHAD: Well, I could stay a BIT longer. LAUNCELOT: Sir Galahad! GALAHAD: Oh, hello. LAUNCELOT: Quick! GALAHAD: What? LAUNCELOT: Quick! GALAHAD: Why? LAUNCELOT: You're in great peril! GALAHAD: ZOOT: LAUNCELOT: Silence, foul temptress! GALAHAD: Now look, it's not important. LAUNCELOT: Quick! Come on and we'll cover your escape! GALAHAD: Look, I'm fine! LAUNCELOT: Come on! GALAHAD: Now look, I can tackle this lot single-handed! DINGO: Yes! Let him tackle us single-handed! GIRLS: Yes! Tackle us single-handed! LAUNCELOT: No, Sir Galahad, come on! GALAHAD: No, really, honestly, I can go back and handle this lot easily! DINGO: Oh, yes, let him handle us easily. GIRLS: Yes, yes! GALAHAD: Wait! I can defeat them! There's only a hundred and fifty of them! DINGO: Yes, yes, he'll beat us easily, we haven't a chance. GIRLS: Yes, yes. [boom] DINGO: Oh, shit. [outside] LAUNCELOT: We were in the nick of time, you were in great peril. GALAHAD: I don't think I was. LAUNCELOT: Yes you were, you were in terrible peril. GALAHAD: Look, let me go back in there and face the peril. LAUNCELOT: No, it's too perilous. GALAHAD: Look, [something] as much peril as I can. LAUNCELOT: No, we've got to find the Holy Grail. Come on! GALAHAD: Well, let me have just a little bit of peril? LAUNCELOT: No, it's unhealthy. GALAHAD: Bet you're gay! LAUNCELOT: No, I'm not. Narrative Interlude NARRATOR: Sir Launcelot had saved Sir Galahad from almost certain temptation, but they were still no nearer the Grail. Meanwhile, King Arthur and Sir Bedemir, not more than a swallow's flight away, had discovered something. Oh, that's an unladen swallow's flight, obviously. I mean, they were more than two laden swallow's flights away -- four, really, if they hadn't a cord of line between them. I mean, if the birds were walking and dragging-- CROWD: Get on with it! NARRATOR: Oh, anyway, on to scene twenty-four, which is a smashing scene with some lovely acting, in which Arthur discovers a vital clue, in which there aren't any swallows, although I think you can hear a starling -oolp! Scene 12 OLD MAN: Ah, hee he he ha! ARTHUR: And this enchanter of whom you speak, he has seen the grail? OLD MAN: Ha ha he he he he! ARTHUR: Where does he live? Old man, where does he live? OLD MAN: He knows of a cave, a cave which no man has entered. ARTHUR: And the Grail... The Grail is there? OLD MAN: Very much danger, for beyond the cave lies the Gorge of Eternal Peril, which no man has ever crossed. ARTHUR: But the Grail! Where is the Grail!? OLD MAN: Seek you the Bridge of Death. ARTHUR: The Bridge of Death, which leads to the Grail? OLD MAN: Hee hee ha ha! Scene 13 HEAD KNIGHT: Nee! Nee! Nee! Nee! ARTHUR: Who are you? HEAD KNIGHT: We are the Knights Who Say... Nee! ARTHUR: No! Not the Knights Who Say Nee! HEAD KNIGHT: The same! BEDEMIR: Who are they? HEAD KNIGHT: We are the keepers of the sacred words: Nee, Pang, and Nee-wom! RANDOM: Nee-wom! ARTHUR: Those who hear them seldom live to tell the tale! HEAD KNIGHT: The Knights Who Say Nee demand a sacrifice! ARTHUR: Knights of Nee, we are but simple travellers who seek the enchanter who lives beyond these woods. HEAD KNIGHT: Nee! Nee! Nee! Nee! ARTHUR and PARTY: Oh, ow! HEAD KNIGHT: We shall say 'nee' again to you if you do not appease us. ARTHUR: Well, what is it you want? HEAD KNIGHT: We want... a shrubbery! [dramatic chord] ARTHUR: A what? HEAD KNIGHT: Nee! Nee! ARTHUR and PARTY: Oh, ow! ARTHUR: Please, please! No more! We shall find a shrubbery. HEAD KNIGHT: You must return here with a shrubbery or else you will never pass through this wood alive! ARTHUR: O Knights of Nee, you are just and fair, and we will return with a shrubbery. HEAD KNIGHT: One that looks nice. ARTHUR: Of course. HEAD KNIGHT: And not too expensive. ARTHUR: Yes. HEAD KNIGHTS: Now... go! Scene 14 NARRATOR: The Tale of Sir Launcelot. FATHER: One day, lad, all this will be yours! HERBERT: What, the curtains? FATHER: No, not the curtains, lad. All that you can see! Stretched out over the hills and valleys of this land! This'll be your kingdom, lad! HERBERT: But, Mother-- FATHER: Father, I'm Father. HERBERT: But Father, I don't want any of that. FATHER: Listen, lad. I've built this kingdom up from nothing. When I started here, all there was was swamp. The king said I was daft to build a castle in a swamp, but I built it all the same, just to show 'em. It sank into the swamp. So, I built a second one. That sank into the swamp. So I built a third one. That burned down, fell over, then sank into the swamp. But the fourth one stayed up. An' that's what your gonna get, lad -- the strongest castle in these islands. HERBERT: But I don't want any of that -- I'd rather-- FATHER: Rather what?! HERBERT: I'd rather... just... [music] ...sing! FATHER: Stop that, stop that! You're not going to do a song while I'm here. Now listen lad, in twenty minutes you're getting married to a girl whose father owns the biggest tracts of open land in Britain. HERBERT: But I don't want land. FATHER: Listen, Alice... HERBERT: Herbert. FATHER: Herbert. We live in a bloody swamp. We need all the land we can get. HERBERT: But I don't like her. FATHER: Don't like her?! What's wrong with her? She's beautiful, she's rich, she's got huge... tracts of land. HERBERT: I know, but I want the girl that I marry to have... a certain... special... [music] ...something... FATHER: Cut that out, cut that out. Look, you're marryin' Princess Looky, so you'd better get used to the idea. [smack] Guards! Make sure the Prince doesn't leave this room until I come and get 'im. GUARD #1: Not to leave the room even if you come and get him. GUARD #2: Hic! FATHER: No, no. Until I come and get 'im. GUARD #1: Until you come and get him, we're not to enter the room. FATHER: No, no, no. You stay in the room and make sure 'e doesn't leave. GUARD #1: And you'll come and get him. GUARD #2: Hic! FATHER: Right. GUARD #1: We don't need to do anything, apart from just stop him entering the room. FATHER: No, no. Leaving the room. GUARD #1: Leaving the room, yes. FATHER: All right? GUARD #1: Right. Oh, if-if-if, uh, if-if-if, uh, if-if-if we... FATHER: Yes, what is it? GUARD #1: Oh, if-if, oh-- FATHER: Look, it's quite simple. GUARD #1: Uh... FATHER: You just stay here, and make sure 'e doesn't leave the room. All right? GUARD #2: Hic! FATHER: Right. GUARD #1: Oh, I remember. Uh, can he leave the room with us? FATHER: N- No no no. You just keep him in here, and make sure-- GUARD #1: Oh, yes, we'll keep him in here, obviously. But if he had to leave and we were-- FATHER: No, no, just keep him in here-- GUARD #1: Until you, or anyone else,-- FATHER: No, not anyone else, just me-- GUARD #1: Just you. GUARD #2: Hic! FATHER: Get back. GUARD #1: Get back. FATHER: Right? GUARD #1: Right, we'll stay here until you get back. FATHER: And, uh, make sure he doesn't leave. GUARD #1: What? FATHER: Make sure 'e doesn't leave. GUARD #1: The Prince? FATHER: Yes, make sure 'e doesn't leave. GUARD #1: Oh, yes, of course. I thought you meant him. Y'know, it seemed a bit daft, me havin' to guard him when he's a guard. FATHER: Is that clear? GUARD #2: Hic! GUARD #1: Oh, quite clear, no problems. FATHER: Right. [starts to leave] Where are you going? GUARD #1: We're coming with you. FATHER: No no, I want you to stay 'ere and make sure 'e doesn't leave. GUARD #1: Oh, I see. Right. HERBERT: But, Father! FATHER: Shut your noise, you! And get that suit on! And no singing! GUARD #2: Hic! FATHER: Oh, go get a glass of water. Scene 15 LAUNCELOT: Well taken, Concorde! CONCORDE: Thank you, sir! Most kind. LAUNCELOT: And again... Over we go! Good. Steady! And now, the big one...Ooof! Come on, Concorde! [thwonk] CONCORDE: Message for you, sir. [fwump] LAUNCELOT: Concorde! Concorde, speak to me! "To whoever finds this note, I have been imprisoned by my father, who wishes me to marry against my will. Please, please, please come and rescue me. I am in the tall tower of Swamp Castle." At last! A call, a cry of distress! This could be the sign that leads us to the Holy Grail! Brave, brave Concorde! You shall not have died in vain! CONCORDE: Uh, I'm-I'm not quite dead, sir. LAUNCELOT: Well, you shall not have been mortally wounded in vain! CONCORDE: Uh, I-I think uh, I could pull through, sir. LAUNCELOT: Oh, I see. CONCORDE: Actually, I think I'm all right to come with you-- LAUNCELOT: No, no, sweet Concorde! Stay here! I will send help as soon as I have accomplished a daring and heroic rescue in my own particular... (sigh) CONCORDE: Idiom, sir? LAUNCELOT: Idiom! CONCORDE: No, I feel fine, actually, sir. LAUNCELOT: Farewell, sweet Concorde! CONCORDE: I'll-uh, I'll just stay here, then, shall I, sir? Yeah. Scene 16 LAUNCELOT: Ha-ha! etc. GUARD #1: Now, you're not allowed to come in here, and we're-ugh! LAUNCELOT: O fair one, behold your humble servant Sir Launcelot of Camelot. I have come to take -- oh, I'm terribly sorry. HERBERT: You got my note! LAUNCELOT: Uh, well, I got A note. HERBERT: You've come to rescue me! LAUNCELOT: Uh, well, no, you see-- HERBERT: I knew that someone would, I knew that somewhere out there... there must be... [music] ...someone... FATHER: Stop that, stop that, stop it! Stop it! Who are you? HERBERT: I'm your son! FATHER: No, not you. LAUNCELOT: I'm Sir Launcelot, sir. HERBERT: He's come to rescue me, father. LAUNCELOT: Well, let's not jump to conclusions. FATHER: Did you kill all the guard? LAUNCELOT: Uh..., oh, yes. Sorry. FATHER: They cost fifty pounds each. LAUNCELOT: Well, I'm awfully sorry, I'm -- I really can explain everything. HERBERT: Don't be afraid of him, Sir Launcelot, I've got a rope all ready! FATHER: You killed eight wedding guests in all! LAUNCELOT: Well, you see, the thing is, I thought your son was a lady. FATHER: I can understand that. HERBERT: Hurry, Sir Launcelot! Hurry! FATHER: Shut up! You only killed the bride's father, that's all! LAUNCELOT: Well, I really didn't mean to... FATHER: Didn't mean to?! You put your sword right through his head! LAUNCELOT: Oh, dear. Is he all right? FATHER: You even kicked the bride in the chest! This is going to cost me a fortune! LAUNCELOT: Well, I can explain. I was in the forest, um, riding north from Camelot, when I got this note, you see-- FATHER: Camelot? Are you from, uh, Camelot? HERBERT: Hurry, Sir Launcelot! LAUNCELOT: Uh, I am a Knight of King Arthur, sir. FATHER: Pretty nice castle, Camelot. Uh, pretty good pig country.... LAUNCELOT: Yes. HERBERT: Hurry, I'm ready! FATHER: Would you, uh, like to come and have a drink? LAUNCELOT: Well, that's, uh, awfully nice of you. HERBERT: I am ready! [start to leave] LAUNCELOT: --I mean to be, so understanding. [thonk] HERBERT: Oooh! LAUNCELOT: Um, I think when I'm in this idiom, I sometimes get a bit, uh, sort of carried away. FATHER: Oh, don't worry about that. HERBERT: Oooh! [splat] Scene 17 [wailing] FATHER: Well, this is the main hall. We're going to have all this knocked through, and made into one big, uh, living room. RANDOM: There he is! FATHER: Oh, bloody hell. LAUNCELOT: Ha-ha! etc. FATHER: Hold it, hold it! Please! LAUNCELOT: Sorry, sorry. See what I mean, I just get carried away. I really must -- sorry, sorry! Sorry, everyone. RANDOM: He's killed the best man! [yelling] FATHER: Hold it, please! Hold it! This is Sir Launcelot from the gorge of Camelot -- a very brave and influential knight, and my special guest here today. LAUNCELOT: Hello. RANDOM: He killed my auntie! [yelling] FATHER: Please, please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who. We are here today to witness the union of two young people in the joyful bond of the holy wedlock. Unfortunately, one of them, my son Herbert, has just fallen to his death. But I think I've not lost a son, so much as... gained a daughter! For, since the tragic death of her father-- RANDOM: He's not quite dead! FATHER: Since the near fatal wounding of her father-- RANDOM: He's getting better! FATHER: For, since her own father... who, when he seemed about to recover, suddenly felt the icy hand of death upon him,-- [ugh] RANDOM: Oh, he's died! FATHER: And I want his only daughter to look upon me... as her own dad -- in a very real, and legally binding sense. [clapping] And I feel sure that the merger -- uh, the union -- between the Princess and the brave, but dangerous, Sir Launcelot of Camelot-- LAUNCELOT: What? RANDOM: Look! The dead Prince! CONCORDE: He's not quite dead! HERBERT: Oh, I feel much better. FATHER: You fell out of the cold tower, you creep! HERBERT: No, I was saved at the last minute. FATHER: How?! HERBERT: Well, I'll tell you... [music] FATHER: Not like that! Not like that! No, stop it! SINGING: He's going to tell! He's going to tell! FATHER: Shut up! SINGING: He's going to tell! He's going to tell! He's going to tell! He's going to tell! He's going to tell! He's going to tell! He's going to tell! He's going to tell! CONCORDE: Quickly, sir! This way! LAUNCELOT: No, it's not in my idiom! I must escape in my own particular....(sigh) CONCORDE: Dogma, sir? LAUNCELOT: Dogma! Hee! Ha! [crash] Excuse me, could, uh, could somebody give me a push, please...? Scene 18 [clop clop] ARTHUR: Old crone! Is there anywhere in this town where we could buy a shrubbery! [dramatic chord] CRONE: Who sent you? ARTHUR: The Knights Who Say Nee. CRONE: Agh! No! Never! We have no shrubberies here. ARTHUR: If you do not tell us where we can buy a shrubbery, my friend and I will say... we will say... `nee'. CRONE: Agh! Do your worst! ARTHUR: Very well! If you will not assist us voluntarily,... nee! CRONE: No! Never! No shrubberies! ARTHUR: Nee! BEDEMIR: Noo! Noo! ARTHUR: No, no, no, no -- it's not that, it's 'nee'. BEDEMIR: Noo! ARTHUR: No, no -- 'nee'. You're not doing it properly. BEDEMIR: Noo! Nee! ARTHUR: That's it, that's it, you've got it. ARTHUR and BEDEMIR: Nee! Nee! ROGER: Are you saying 'nee' to that old woman? ARTHUR: Um, yes. ROGER: Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can `nee' at will to old ladies. There is a pestilence upon this land, nothing is sacred. Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history. ARTHUR: Did you say `shrubberies'? ROGER: Yes, shrubberies are my trade -- I am a shrubber. My name is Roger the Shrubber. I arrange, design, and sell shrubberies. BEDEMIR: Nee! ARTHUR: No! No, no, no! No! Scene 19 ARTHUR: O, Knights of Nee, we have brought you your shrubbery. May we go now? HEAD KNIGHT: It is a good shrubbery. I like the laurels particularly. But there is one small problem. ARTHUR: What is that? HEAD KNIGHT: We are now... no longer the Knights Who Say Nee. RANDOM: Nee! HEAD KNIGHT: Shh shh. We are now the Knights Who Say Ecky-ecky-ecky-ecky-pikang-zoom-boing-mumble-mumble. RANDOM: Nee! HEAD KNIGHT: Therefore, we must give you a test. ARTHUR: What is this test, O Knights of-- Knights Who 'Til Recently Said Nee? HEAD KNIGHT: Firstly, you must find... another shrubbery! [dramatic chord] ARTHUR: Not another shrubbery! HEAD KNIGHT: Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must place it here beside this shrubbery, only slightly higher so you get a two-level effect with a little path running down the middle. RANDOM: A path! A path! Nee! HEAD KNIGHT: Then, when you have found the shrubbery, you must cut down the mightiest tree in the forest... with... a herring! [dramatic chord] ARTHUR: We shall do no such thing! HEAD KNIGHT: Oh, please! ARTHUR: Cut down a tree with a herring? It can't be done. KNIGHTS: Aaaaugh! Aaaugh! HEAD KNIGHT: Don't say that word. ARTHUR: What word? HEAD KNIGHT: I cannot tell, suffice to say is one of the words the Knights of Nee cannot hear. ARTHUR: How can we not say the word if you don't tell us what it is? KNIGHTS: Aaaaugh! Aaaugh! ARTHUR: What, `is'? HEAD KNIGHT: No, not `is' -- we couldn't get vary far in life not saying `is'. BEDEMIR: My liege, it's Sir Robin! MINSTREL (singing): Packing it in and packing it up And sneaking away and buggering up And chickening out and pissing about Yes, bravely he is throwing in the sponge ARTHUR: Oh, Robin! ROBIN: My liege! It's good to see you! KNIGHTS: Aaaaugh! HEAD KNIGHT: He said the word! ARTHUR: Surely you've not given up your quest for the Holy Grail? MINSTREL (singing): He is sneaking away and buggering up-- ROBIN: Shut up! No, no no-- far from it. HEAD KNIGHT: He said the word again! ROBIN: I was looking for it. KNIGHTS: Aaaaugh! ROBIN: Uh, here, here in this forest. ARTHUR: No, it is far from-- KNIGHTS: Aaaaugh! HEAD KNIGHT: Aaaaugh! Stop saying the word! ARTHUR: Oh, stop it! KNIGHTS: Aaaaugh! HEAD KNIGHT: Oh! He said it again! ARTHUR: Patsy! HEAD KNIGHT: Aaugh! I said it! I said it! Ooh! I said it again! KNIGHTS: Aaaaugh! Narrative Interlude NARRATOR: And so Arthur and Bedemir and Sir Robin set out on their search to find the enchanter of whom the old man had spoken in Scene 24. Beyond the forest they met Launcelot and Galahad, and there was much rejoicing. ALL: Yay! Yay! NARRATOR: In the frozen land of Nador they were forced to eat Robin's minstrels. And there was much rejoicing. ALL: Yay! NARRATOR: A year passed. Winter changed into Spring. Spring changed into Summer. Summer changed back into Winter. And Winter gave Spring and Summer a miss and went straight on into Autumn. Until one day... Scene 20 ARTHUR: Knights! Forward! [boom boom boom boom BOOM boom boom boom boom] What manner of man are you that can summon up fire without flint or tinder? TIM: I... am an enchanter. ARTHUR: By what name are you known? TIM: There are some who call me... Tim? ARTHUR: Greetings, Tim the Enchanter. TIM: Greetings, King Arthur! ARTHUR: You know my name? TIM: I do. [zoosh] You seek the Holy Grail! ARTHUR: That is our quest. You know much that is hidden, O Tim. TIM: Quite. [pweeng boom] [clap clap clap] ARTHUR: Yes, we're, we're looking for the Grail. Our quest is to find the Holy Grail. KNIGHTS: It is, yes, yup, yes, yeah. ARTHUR: And so we're, we're, we're, we're looking for it. KNIGHTS: Yes we are we are. BEDEMIR: We have been for some time. ROBIN: Ages. ARTHUR: Uh, so, uh, anything you can do to, uh, to help, would be... very... helpful... GALAHAD: Look, can you tell us wh- [boom] ARTHUR: Fine, um, I don't want to waste anymore of your time, but, uh I don't suppose you could, uh, tell us where we might find a, um, find a, uh, a, um, a uh-- TIM: A what...? ARTHUR: A g--, a g-- TIM: A Grail?! ARTHUR: Yes, I think so. KNIGHTS: Yes, that's it. Yes. TIM: Yes! KNIGHTS: Oh, thank you, splendid, fine. [boom pweeng boom boom] ARTHUR: Look, you're a busy man, uh-- TIM: Yes, I can help you find the Holy Grail. KNIGHTS: Oh, thank you. TIM: To the north there lies a cave -- the cave of Kyre Banorg -- wherein, carved in mystic runes upon the very living rock, the last words of Ulfin Bedweer of Regett [boom] proclaim the last resting place of the most Holy Grail. ARTHUR: Where could we find this cave, O Tim? TIM: Follow! But! follow only if ye be men of valor, for the entrance to this cave is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel that no man yet has fought with it and lived! Bones of four fifty men lie strewn about its lair. So, brave knights, if you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for death awaits you all with nasty big pointy teeth. ARTHUR: What an eccentric performance. Scene 21 [clop clop whinny] ???: They're nervous, sire. ARTHUR: Then we'd best leave them here and carry on on foot. Dis-mount! TIM: Behold the cave of Kyre Banorg! ARTHUR: Right! Keep me covered. ???: What with? ARTHUR: Just keep me covered. TIM: Too late! [chord] ARTHUR: What? TIM: There he is! ARTHUR: Where? TIM: There! ARTHUR: What, behind the rabbit? TIM: It is the rabbit! ARTHUR: You silly sod! You got us all worked up! TIM: Well, that's no ordinary rabbit. That's the most foul, cruel, and bad-tempered rodent you ever set eyes on. ROBIN: You tit! I soiled my armor I was so scared! TIM: Look, that rabbit's got a vicious streak a mile wide, it's a killer! ???: Get stuffed! TIM: It'll do you a trick, mate! ???: Oh, yeah? ROBIN: You monkey's scot's get! TIM: I'm warning you! ROBIN: What's he do, nibble your bum? TIM: He's got huge, sharp-- he can leap about-- look at the bones! ARTHUR: Go on, Boris. Chop his head off! BORIS: Right! Silly little bleeder. One rabbit stew comin' right up! TIM: Look! [squeak] BORIS: Aaaugh! [chord] ARTHUR: Jesus Christ! TIM: I warned you! ROBIN: I peed again! TIM: I warned you! But did you listen to me? Oh, no, you knew it all, didn't you? Oh, it's just a harmless little bunny, isn't it? Well, it's always the same, I always-- ARTHUR: Oh, shut up! TIM: --But do they listen to me?-- ARTHUR: Right! TIM: -Oh, no-- KNIGHTS: Charge! [squeak squeak] KNIGHTS: Aaaaugh! Aaaugh! etc. KNIGHTS: Run away! Run away! TIM: Haw haw haw. Haw haw haw. Haw haw. ARTHUR: Right. How many did we lose? ???: Gawain. ???: Hector. ARTHUR: And Boris. That's five. GALAHAD: Three, sir. ARTHUR: Three. Three. And we'd better not risk another frontal assault, that rabbit's dynamite. ROBIN: Would it help to confuse it if we run away more? ARTHUR: Oh, shut up and go and change your armor. GALAHAD: Let us taunt it! It may become so cross that it will make a mistake. ARTHUR: Like what? GALAHAD: Well,.... ARTHUR: Have we got bows? ???: No. LAUNCELOT: We have the Holy Hand Grenade. ARTHUR: Yes, of course! The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch! 'Tis one of the sacred relics Brother Maynard carries with him! Brother Maynard! Bring up the Holy Hand Grenade! [singing] How does it, uh... how does it work? ???: I know not, my liege. ???: Consult the Book of Armaments! MAYNARD: Armaments, Chapter Two, Verses Nine to Twenty-One. BROTHER: "And Saint Atila raised the hand grenade up on high, saying, 'Oh, Lord, bless this thy hand grenade that with it thou mayest blow thy enemies to tiny bits, in thy mercy.' And the Lord did grin, and people did feast upon the lambs, and sloths, and carp, and anchovies, and orangutans, and breakfast cereals, and fruit bats, and large --" MAYNARD: Skip a bit, Brother. BROTHER: "And the Lord spake, saying, 'First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin. Then, shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shalt be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shalt be three. Four shalt thou not count, nor either count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thou foe, who being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it.'" MAYNARD: Amen. ALL: Amen. ARTHUR: Right! One... two... five! ???: Three, sir! ARTHUR: Three! [boom] Scene 22 ???: There! Look! LAUNCELOT: What does it say? GALAHAD: What language is that? ARTHUR: Brother Maynard, you're our scholar! MAYNARD: It's Aramaic! GALAHAD: Of course! Joseph of Aramathea! LAUNCELOT: Course! ???: What does it say? MAYNARD: It reads, 'Here may be found the last words of Joseph of Aramathea. He who is valiant and pure of spirit may find the Holy Grail in the Castle of uuggggggh'. ARTHUR: What? MAYNARD: '... the Castle of uuggggggh'. BEDEMIR: What is that? MAYNARD: He must have died while carving it. LAUNCELOT: Oh, come on! MAYNARD: Well, that's what it says. ARTHUR: Look, if he was dying, he wouldn't bother to carve 'aaggggh'. He'd just say it! MAYNARD: Well, that's what's carved in the rock! GALAHAD: Perhaps he was dictating. ARTHUR: Oh, shut up. Well, does it say anything else? MAYNARD: No. Just, 'uuggggggh'. LAUNCELOT: Aauuggghhh. ???: Aaauggh. BEDEMIR: You don't suppose he meant the Camauuuugh? ???: Where's that? BEDEMIR: France, I think. LAUNCELOT: Isn't there a Saint Aauuuves in Cornwall? ARTHUR: No, that's Saint Ives. LAUNCELOT: Oh, yes. Saint Iiiives. SEVERAL: Iiiiives. BEDEMIR: Oooohoohohooo! LAUNCELOT: No, no, aauuuuugh, at the back of the throat. Aauuugh. BEDEMIR: No, no, no, oooooooh, in surprise and alarm. LAUNCELOT: Oh, you mean sort of a aaaagh! BEDEMIR: Yes, but I-- Aaaaagh! ???: Oooh! ???: Oh, no! [roar] MAYNARD: It's the legendary Black Beast of aaauuugh! ARTHUR: Run away! ALL: Run away! Run away! [roar] NARRATOR: As the horrendous Black Beast lunged forward, escape for Arthur and his knights seemed hopeless. When, suddenly, the animator suffered a fatal heart attack. [ulk] The cartoon peril was no more. The Quest for Holy Grail could continue. Scene 23 ARTHUR: There it is! The Bridge of Death! ROBIN: Oh, great. ???: Look! ARTHUR: There's the old man from Scene 24! BEDEMIR: What is he doing here? ARTHUR: He is the keeper of the Bridge of Death. He asks each traveller five questions-- ???: Three questions. ARTHUR: Three questions. He who answers the five questions-- ???: Three questions. ARTHUR: Three questions may cross in safety. ROBIN: What if you get a question wrong? ARTHUR: Then you are cast into the Gorge of Eternal Peril. ROBIN: Oh, I won't go. ???: Who's going to answer the questions? ARTHUR: Sir Robin! ROBIN: Yes? ARTHUR: Brave Sir Robin, you go. ROBIN: Hey! I've got a great idea. Why doesn't Launcelot go? LAUNCELOT: Yes, let me go, my liege. I will take him single-handed. I shall make a feint to the north-east-- ARTHUR: No, no, hang on hang on hang on! Just answer the five questions-- ???: Three questions. ARTHUR: Three questions as best you can. And we shall watch... and pray. LAUNCELOT: I understand, my liege. ARTHUR: Good luck, brave Sir Launcelot. God be with you. KEEPER: Stop! Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, 'ere the other side he see. LAUNCELOT: Ask me the questions, bridge-keeper. I'm not afraid. KEEPER: What is your name? LAUNCELOT: My name is Sir Launcelot of Camelot. KEEPER: What is your quest? LAUNCELOT: To seek the Holy Grail. KEEPER: What is your favorite color? LAUNCELOT: Blue. KEEPER: Right. Off you go. LAUNCELOT: Oh, thank you. Thank you very much. ROBIN: That's easy! KEEPER: Stop! Who approaches the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three, 'ere the other side he see. ROBIN: Ask me the questions, bridge-keeper. I'm not afraid. KEEPER: What is your name? ROBIN: Sir Robin of Camelot. KEEPER: What is your quest? ROBIN: To seek the Holy Grail. KEEPER: What is the capital of Assyria? ROBIN: I don't know that! Auuuuuuuugh! KEEPER: Stop! What is your name? GALAHAD: Sir Galahad of Camelot. KEEPER: What is your quest? GALAHAD: I seek the Holy Grail. KEEPER: What is your favorite color? GALAHAD: Blue. No yel-- Auuuuuuuugh! KEEPER: Heh heh. Stop! What is your name? ARTHUR: It is Arthur, King of the Britons. KEEPER: What is your quest? ARTHUR: To seek the Holy Grail. KEEPER: What is the air-speed velocity of an unladen swallow? ARTHUR: What do you mean? An African or European swallow? KEEPER: What? I don't know that! Auuuuuuuugh! BEDEMIR: How do know so much about swallows? ARTHUR: Well, you have to know these things when you're a king you know. Scene 24 ARTHUR: Launcelot! Launcelot! Launcelot! BEDEMIR: Launcelot! Launcelot! ARTHUR: Launcelot! Launcelot! BEDEMIR: Launcelot! Launcelot! [angels singing] ARTHUR: The Castle Aggh. Our quest is at an end! God be praised! Almighty God, we thank Thee that Thou hast [something] safe [something] the most- [twong baaaa] Jesus Christ! GUARD: 'Allo, daffy English kaniggets and Monsieur Arthur-King, who is afraid of a duck, you know! So, we French fellows out-wit you a second time! ARTHUR: How dare you profane this place with your presence!? I command you, in the name of the Knights of Camelot, to open the doors of this sacred castle, to which God himself has guided us! GUARD: How you English say, I one more time-a unclog my nose in your direction, sons of a window-dresser! So, you think you could out-clever us French folk with your silly knees-bent running about in dancing behavior! I wave my private parts at your aunties, you heaving lot of second hand electric donkey bottom biters. ARTHUR: In the name of the Lord, we demand entrance to this sacred castle! GUARD: No chance, English bedwetting types. I burst my pimples at you and call your door opening request a silly thing. You tiny-brained wipers of other people's bottoms! ARTHUR: If you do not open this door, we shall take this castle by force! [splat] In the name of God and the glory of our-- [splat] Right! That settles it! GUARD: Yes, this time and [something] any more or we fire arrows at the tops of your heads and make castanets out of your testicles already! Ha ha! ARTHUR: Walk away. Just ignore them. GUARD: No, remain ??? illegitimate faced buggerfuls! And, if you think you got nasty taunting this time, you ain't heard nothing yet! Daffy English kaniggets! Thpppt! ARTHUR: We shall attack at once! BEDEMIR: Yes, my liege! ARTHUR: Stand by for attack! [ ending nonsense ] Kelly K. Butler -------------------------- kbutler@eagle.wesleyan.edu kbutler@snikt.con.wesleyan.edu "Children begin by loving their parents; as they grow older they judge them; sometimes they forgive them." "Memory believes before knowing remembers. Believes longer than recollects, longer than knowing even wonders." -William Faulkner, "Light in August" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 19:27:47 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA14827; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:27:33 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA25097; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 13:26:11 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 13:26:11 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: backtrak@ais.net Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: BackTrak To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ?s that hit at 4:00 AM X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > On Fri, 11 Nov 1994, michael john kessler wrote: > > > 2) What the hell is retzin? > Hmmm... I think I'll take a whack at this one... Isn't it the yellow in those breath mints in the bottoms of those breath mint/hand washing stations available in finer restrooms and truck stops nation wide? Yes... I believe it is... (And so, you never looked at a Cert (s?) the same way again...) *BLEH!* ;) Nick Pirocanac <-----BackTrak@ais.net ---------------------------------------- and out... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 20:19:16 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA15625; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:18:54 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA25956; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:16:26 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:16:26 -0600 Message-Id: <941110105609.1e086@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CIELIA01@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "AMY M. CIELINSKI" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: creating a good vibe X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Nate- Hello! Me again, and I would like to comment and share with you about your post about creating a good vibe. First off, it is so wonderful to read and connect to people like you and Adam about these kind of things...it is slowly restoring my faith in people and the idea that there actually really ARE people out there who are into things on a spirutual level...so many people say they are but i so question their true actions......ANYWAY!..... This is what i like to do, how i like to connect, reflect, give myself energy: I like to sit or lie, because i get dizzy, & what a way to ruin a connection by falling down and gashing open your head on some rocks on a riverbank (which i had the outstanding luck to do)....(least i didn't fall in!)....... What i like to do first is completely concentrate on my body....get in touch with every single part of it.....close my eyes and concentrate on every single organ...each finger, my nose, my little toe, my kneecap....i concentrate on each part or each area one at a time...making my whole body alive...i try to feel my fingernails, and the roots of my hair....i completely flush my body with awareness and warmth and the ultimate sense of being alive....i go inside and try to feel my digestion, feel the blood flowing, feel my thoughts in my brain traveling....if i am sick i envision the wounds healing or the infection dying....i concentrate on the sore spots, i transfer energy from the greater parts to the lesser parts, making it all even, making it all one body of alive energy.....for me getting to this point can take quite awhile....often i like to lie, arms and legs spread out, so it seems the space the energy is flowing around is bigger....often i like to be bare.... ..then i focus on the heart...i truly believe in the humanization of the heart, that is it not just a pump...it is an organ that feels, that is the entrance to you soul....i try to trace the path in my body of the dirty blood being pumped through, and the clean blood on its journey....i let it echno in my senses.... ..from here i then kinda go into what you described...the swirling energy going from my now truly alive body out into the earth.... if i wish to go a step deeper i do this: my energy is now one with the earth, with the natural world, i am this web wrapped around the world, a nebulae of energy encompassing all....then i am above the earth, i am looking down on it..i am in the sky, i am floating....i am free...lucid...light, transparent. i imagine i am a bird, a dove, an angel?....i am in the heavens, i dance.... ============================================================================== when i come back i am always dizzy, euphoric, i have this calmness and contentedness about me, i am focused. i know *exactly* what you mean when you speak about flowing visions seen on LSD being visual representation of the radiant energy flowing throughout the universe....YES! YES! YES! People have always scoffed at that notion....but you, and Adam, you understand, you have felt it, you believe.....(you got to believe....) :) isn't this all so beautiful? and so simple in a way.... =============================================================================== please share this with Adam...i have meant at sometime or another to share this with him, however with the events of this past week things seem to have gotten in the way. your post seemed the perfect opportunity to get it all typed out... you have one incredible roomate, (hehe) love to you both...... ok....now that i have had my serious dose for the morning it is time to go mail adam a bit more light-hearted trivial dribble so i can keep my positive vibe going.... peace and love, amy :) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 20:26:34 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA15683; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:26:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA26038; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:18:09 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:18:09 -0600 Message-Id: <9411122035.AA03497@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jong@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jon Gilkison To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ACKKKK X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Damn it man, sum of us net.losers have no control over our mail readers and shit like that wastes our time and is a big pain in the ass. Phukk that sucked!!!!!! earache From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 20:28:57 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA15725; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:28:35 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA26339; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:25:33 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:25:33 -0600 Message-Id: <9411122043.AA03533@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jong@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jon Gilkison To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ACKKKK X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO That was in reference to that holy grail thingy... earache PS. I'm in iowa right now :) Seeyaz! earache From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 20:50:47 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA16011; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:50:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA26941; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:47:28 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:47:28 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: more warehouse last night stuff X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO got to the warehouse around 12:00. paid five bucks not minding that i had to pay even though my friend was working the door because i figure that the money is going toward the rent. without the rent getting paid there would be no one living there in which case i would have to think a little harder as to what to do every friday night. BTW i parked in the parking lot and one of the guys whose party it was was right there and he didn't tell me to move my car. infact he walked me to the party because i didn't want to walk around that neighborhood by myself. ok, so i go inside and hang out for awhile i tried to dance and all but i kept getting shoved around. not cool. i felt like i was in a mosh pit or something. the whole scene there was giving me a weird feeling. so i went to hang out a bit more with some friends and tried to dance some more when the music stopped and everyone headed toward the back of the warehouse. so i did the same thing and luckily found dan and ben cuz i didn't want to be by myself (dan and ben of interlab fame of course:)) dan and i have now been through two kaiser lab busts together! lets not make it three. everyone was indstructed to put their hand against the wall. at this point i couldn't really tell how many cops were there. i was way in the far back room. we were kept there for about 1/2 hour i would guess and eventually we were told that if you had ID to get in a line. so i did. at this point i must stress that you should ALWAYS CARRY YOUR ID WITH YOU. you are much less likely to get harassed i think. we waited around for awhile longer until they told us that they were gonna move us out. everyone in the back room went to the middle (dance) room. it was then that i heard that if you had ID they were gonna let you leave. so i went inmto the front room and made my way closer to the door. finally got there and had to show another cop my ID. this is how our conversation went: cop: how old are you? me: 17 cop: is this your current address? me:yes cop: phone number? me: 2280669 me thinking to myself: hmmm...thats my modem line and its always busy or no one answers so at least my mom won't find out...gee i am so clever. cop: did you consume any alcohol this evening? me: no cop: why not? me: because i don't drink and besides, i drove. cop: how much did you pay when you came in? me: $5 another cop to cop one: how old is that one? (pointing to me) cop one: she'll be 18 in four days me: :) cop: who did you pay the money to when you came in me: i don't know cop: now i can ake your life easy or i can make it bitter, which gentleman did you give your money to when you came in? me: i really do not know. i am not trying to mislead you or anything but it was dark and i wasn't really paying attention. cop: do your parents know where you are? From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 20:57:29 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA16066; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:57:14 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA27221; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:54:49 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:54:49 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: warehouse last night X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO got to the warehouse around 12:00. paid five bucks not minding that i had to p ay even though my friend was working the door because i figure that the money is going toward the rent. without the rent getting paid there would be no one From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 21:00:53 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA16127; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:00:15 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA27422; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:58:47 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 14:58:47 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: warehouse last night X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO got to the warehouse around 12:00. paid five bucks not minding that i had to p ay even though my friend was working the door because i figure that the money is going toward the rent. without the rent getting paid there would be no one living there in which case i would have to think a little harder as to what to do every friday night. BTW i parked in the parking lot and one of the guys whose party it was was right there and he didn't tell me to move my car. infact he walked me to the party because i didn't want to walk around that neighborhood by myself. ok, so i go inside and hang out for awhile i tried to dance and all but i kept getting shoved around. not cool. i felt like i was in a mosh pit or something. the whole scene there was giving me a weird feeling. so i went to hang out a bit more with some friends and tried to dance From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 21:22:57 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA16380; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:22:18 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA27910; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:20:28 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:20:28 -0600 Message-Id: <9411122119.AA28864@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jwalden@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: jwalden@expert.cc.purdue.edu (jason) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: holy grail X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO To that holy grail "person" _ / \ |\_/| |---| | | | | _ |=-=| _ _ / \| |/ \ / \| | | ||\ | | | | | \> | | | | | \ | - - - - |) ) | / \ / \ / \ / \ / | | | | | | FUCK YOU! -- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 21:29:46 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA16449; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:29:09 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA28146; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:25:42 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:25:42 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: warehouse last night X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO got to the warehouse around 12:00. paid five bucks not minding that i had to p ay even though my friend was working the door because i figure that the money is going toward the rent. without the rent getting paid there would be no one living there in which case i would have to think a little harder as to what to do every friday night. BTW i parked in the parking lot and one of the guys whose party it was was right there and he didn't tell me to move my car. infact he walked me to the party because i didn't want to walk around that neighborhood by myself. ok, so i go inside and hang out for awhile i tried to dance and all but i kept getting shoved around. not cool. i felt like i was in a mosh pit or something. the whole scene there was giving me a weird feeling. so i went to hang out a bit more with some friends and tried to dance some more when the music stopped and everyone headed toward the back of the warehouse. so i did the same thing and luckily found dan and ben cuz i didn't want to be by myself (dan and ben of interlab fame of course:)) dan and i have now been through two kaiser lab busts together! lets not make it three. everyone was indstructed to put their hand against the wall. at this point i couldn't really tell how many cops were there. i was way in the far back roo m. we were kept there for about 1/2 hour i would guess and eventually we were told that if you had ID to get in a line. so i did. at this point i must stress that you should ALWAYS CARRY YOUR ID WITH YOU. you are much less likely to get harassed i think. we waited around for awhile longer until they told us that they were gonna move us out. everyone in the back room went to the middle (dance) room. it was then that i heard that if you had ID they were gonna let you leave. so i went inmto the front room and made my way closer to the door. finally got there and had to show another cop my ID. this is how our conversation went: cop: how old are you? me: 17 cop: is this your current address? me:yes cop: phone number? me: 2280669 me thinking to myself: hmmm...thats my modem line and its always busy or no one answers so at least my mom won't find out...gee i am so clever. cop: did you consume any alcohol this evening? me: no cop: why not? me: because i don't drink and besides, i drove. cop: how much did you pay when you came in? me: $5 another cop to cop one: how old is that one? (pointing to me) cop one: she'll be 18 in four days me: :) cop: who did you pay the money to when you came in me: i don't know cop: now i can ake your life easy or i can make it bitter, which gentleman did you give your money to when you came in? me: i really do not know. i am not trying to mislead you or anything but it wa s dark and i wasn't really paying attention. cop: do your parents know where you are? me: yes, well my mother does cop: are you sure me: yes cop: ok, you can go. so i headed toward the door where my friend shannon was standing in cuffs. sorry shannon:( *hug* (he gave me permission to say that BTW) some other people were in cuffs too. rumor has it that two DEA officers came to the party. outside there were like 10 cop mobiles on hampton. i couldn't believe how many there were. i was lucky to get out of there as fast as i did. oh, there is another rumor that besides lots of acid and x and such that was found, there was crack(?!!?!) too. i dunno...weird. i thought the 80's were over. anyway, now the warehouse is locked up ad i am sure some else can tell you more as to what is going to happen. just for time frame reference i was at home and in bed at 3. which means i must have gotten out of the warehouse by 2:30, probably an hour- hour 1/2 from when the cops got there. hope to see soem of you at push tonight. i won't be able to get there until 11 or later so can we have a net meet sometime after that? how bout midnight? at the smart bar i guess. l8r ellen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 21:32:39 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA16522; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:32:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA28377; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:29:53 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:29:53 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: sorry X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ok...i know i am just wasting more space here but i wanna say sorry that got From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 22:19:56 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA16961; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 17:19:26 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA29134; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:18:05 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:18:05 -0600 Message-Id: <199411122217.RAA23876@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rebecca Jill Maslow To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Utopia, short post X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ok y'all, this will be a really short post about utopia because i only have one thing to say: IT WAS FUCKING AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!! (oh yeah, david hollands' set rocked big time!!) that's all i wanted to say for now. when i get back to athens i'll post a longer review of the whole evening. =) -becca Becca Maslow rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu little elf :) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 22:27:32 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA17010; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 17:27:03 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA29373; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:25:20 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 16:25:20 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 32nd & hampton in milwaukee journal X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO look what my mom found in the paper just now...she still doesn't know i was there... 4 MEN ARRESTED IN NORTH SIDE "RAVE" PARTY Undercover police crash illegal bash of minors at vacant warehouse by Mark Edmund of the journal staff Police raided an illegal "rave" party on the North Side early Saturday and arrested the four men who organized the secret dance bash. Eleven juveniles at the party were cited for cerfew violations. They were not taken into custody but released to their parents. Police took down the names and dates of birth of 177 party-goers, but did not issue any other citations, pending review at the city attorney's office next week. "They were coming from all over the state for this one," Sgt. Gary Bruhn said. "Appleton, Kenosha, Racine, The North Shore suburbs." Bruhn said police recieved a call at about 1 am Saturday, alerting authorities that the rave party was being held at an old vacant warehouse in the 3200 block of W. Hampton Ave. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 23:13:29 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA17801; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 18:13:18 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA29926; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 17:11:56 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 17:11:56 -0600 Message-Id: <941112181024_6280341@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Holy grail : comment X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Thanks forfucking waisting our time ass hole From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 23:23:38 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA17962; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 18:23:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA00350; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 17:18:35 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 17:18:35 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: warehouse article pt 2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i keep getting disconnected and thats why mt posts keep getting cut off. i apologize. so the article continues... "We've gotten several calls about that place in the past," Bruhn said, "and this time when we got there, there was a party going on." UNDERCOVER OFFICERS Two undercover officers paid $5 cover charge and were allowed into the party, which featured all-night dancing, loud music, drugs and alcohol. ten uniformed officers moved in to halt the illegal gathering. "There was broken glass all over the floor. It was very dark," Bruhn said. "As one guy was leaving, he stepped on a piece of glass and pulled it out of his shoe. You couldn't tell what you were stepping on." Bruhn said there was significant crowding and obvious fire hazards throughout the 50-by-125 floor that was rented. The lack of fire extinguishers and emergency exit lighting, plus locked doors, might have contributed to a tragedy if a fire had broken out, Bruhn said. "If we had a rush for the door, people would have been trampled", Bruhn said. The four men who organized the event, ages 19, 21, and two 25 year-olds, face charges including contributing to the delinquecy of minors. The four men were scheduled to meet Thursday with the city attorney. On halloween night in 1992, police busted a massive rave party, arresting more than 950 people and issuing each party-goer a $325 citation for aiding and abetting a person in charge of an unliscensed public place, and permitting consumption of an alcoholic beverage. A few days later, the charges were dropped. The four organizers of the clandestine party, however, were fined $3000 each for permitting alcohol consumption in a public place without a liscense. ********************* so thats it...such crap. i feel really shitty about this. it sucks. they have to twist everything. anyway i better go get ready for my final show tonight l8r ellen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 23:30:17 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA18044; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 18:29:53 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA00681; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 17:28:15 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 17:28:15 -0600 Message-Id: <9411122327.AA19269@dayton.wright.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ad425@DAYTON.WRIGHT.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jim Waiter To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Encounter:12.17.94:Dayton X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ENCOUNTER 12.17.94 PROTOTYPE 909 instinct records JETHROX dbn ASTROBOY SHO JIMI ARI LODGE 513.496.1071 dayton illuminator From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 12 23:52:09 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA18373; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 18:52:00 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA01079; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 17:50:51 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 17:50:51 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jjhelton@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: doc To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: on my way to utopia! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO last night kids, i took the first step to UTOPIA. real quick... SCHROFF & BRYANT TAG TEAM kicked everything off right. DAVID HOLLANDS "TRIPPIN ON SUNSHINE" need i say more? CYBERJIVE grooved then broke into some old school then grooved some more.(ATTN:promoters:BOOK THIS GUY) BILLEEBOB after being lost for 2 hours provided a nice housed out groove, then went detroit. JAJO after car trouble made in time to keep the VIBE goin' till time to shut down. VIBE! VIBE! VIBE! VIBE! VIBE! VIBE! VIBE! VIBE! VIBE! VIBE! VIBE! VIBE! VIBE! i'm not too sure but did i mention the "VIBE!" at this party? also... DDDD RRRR OOO PPPP TTTTT RRRR OOO U U W W D D R R O O P P T R R O O U U W W D D RRRR O O PPPP T RRRR O O U U W W W D D R R O O P T R R O O U U W W W DDDD R R OOO P T R R OOO UUU W W NN NN EEEEEEE TTTTTTTT WW WW OOOOO RRRRRR KK KK NNN NN EE TT WW WW OO OO RR RR KK KK NNNN NN EEEEE TT WW WW WW OO OO RR RR KKKK NN NNNN EEEEE TT WW WW WW OO OO RRRRRR KK KK NN NNN EE TT WW WW OO OO RR RR KK KK NN NN EEEEEEE TT W W OOOOO RR RR KK KK WAS IN DA' HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -that's all for now... -doc From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 13 00:12:02 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA18664; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 19:11:53 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA01546; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 18:09:12 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 18:09:12 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: synergy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Bradley John Owen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Warehouse Friday Night Festival X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well...Fuck! Now that this is a part of the Milwaukee media fiasco, I think we can safely call this another blow to the Milwaukee scene. For a while...rave was out of the public eye...now I think that another problem could be at hand. I know these promoter fellows personally and must say that while I get along with them, allowing blatant alcohol consumption was just plain stupid. Do you think that the cops would have been so concerned about coming down that hard if there wouldn't been alcohol. Maybe they would have...but maybe the promoters wouldn't have gotten $3000 worth of fines. Great... I haven't seen it on the news yet but who knows? Maybe we'll get lucky. I hope everything goes over quickly for the sake of us all. Maybe... I'm personally glad that we left early...hope to see y'all tonight. Cheers, Brad Synergy Quadrasonic Promotions Massive Magazine From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 13 04:03:07 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA21431; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 23:02:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA03294; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 21:52:33 -0600 Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 21:52:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199411130351.VAA05034@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: THELME00@UKCC.UKY.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: tim To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: MW-RAVES digest 212 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO someone has a frightful amount of time on his or her hands. the ENTIRE script? need i ask why? SHOULD i ask why? From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 13 10:12:15 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id FAA25837; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 05:12:08 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA05664; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 04:09:48 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 04:09:48 -0600 Message-Id: <9411131008.AA29025@porkyp.ceco.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: nfsjc@porkyp.ceco.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: nfsjc@porkyp.ceco.com (James M. Constantino) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Home-less X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well? Who went? How was it? I got there at 1:30, stood in line, saw a drug bust, saw an OD-raver collapse, stood in line until 3, and then was told the place was at overcapacity -- and there were still about 200-300 people in front of me who didn't get in. Hoo boy. Anybody know where Acidic Pyramid is? I hope it's not at the Rainbo... tino From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 13 13:21:33 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id IAA26953; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 08:21:25 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id HAA21008; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 07:20:12 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 07:20:12 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mudd@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: SpaceFunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: BOX->bust X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO well, box(detroit) lasted about 40 minutes before getting busted.sux. Anyone attending Journey Through the Hardcore? __________________________________________________________________________ _ mudd@um.cc.umich.edu < > \___/ ^+ +^ ' \_/ ' "God will bless you if you belive" ] / \ [ -Eddie 'Flashin' Fowlkes \|/ (|) + + __________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 13 15:34:43 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA28590; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 10:34:34 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA27840; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 09:31:39 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 09:31:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199411131530.KAA18017@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: broth.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: broth.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (jonas broth) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: sex AT raves X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > >While I am sympathetic to a vibe killed by a drugged-out young lady and a >scummy dude (taking advantage of her) doing the thang on the dance floor >at a rave, I hardly think that means that "free-love" and the Huxley >ethic are "farcical". In order to justify that statement, one must >assume that free love only exists when one is taking advantage of >another. i guess what i'm thinking of is something that i heard over the summer. It was some socioligist on NPR or one of those liberal outlets (:)) talking about the failure of the 60s free love movement and how it was free love and all but "free love with a male bias." I think there is some legitamacy to this. What came of the sexual revolution was short term relationships, low commitment, high turnover.... all traditionally male desires. The sexual freedom to create loving --or less ambiguously-- lasting, stable, commital relationships was rejected as old fashioned or "not free." Much like the assumption on the part of some feminists that there is something wrong with women choosing the lifestyle to be a housewife (or for that matter the larger social assumption that there is something wrong with men making the choice to be house husbands). Where did this lead us? To a major STD pandemic, throw away marriages and that so oft used politcal scapegoat the single mother household where the male has taken off to continue his freedom and the woman is responsible for the detritus left over from "freedom" for eighteen years or so. >My understanding is that, at least on this list, some of the >willing participants in rave sex have been women. PLUR doesn't just mean >men not jumping on women; it also means women taking control of their own >destinies -- which, for some women, may include free love. Damn straight that's what PLUR is about. I sure hope that what i've said doesn't express a desire to limit that self-determination. I just disagree with the assertion that only by rejecting so called "old fashioned" norms is that self determination expressed. >Instant gratification doesn't just include sex -- it can also include a >cold lemonade on a hot day Even lemonade has unseen side effects, from the misapplied pesticides that build up downstream from the lemon orchard to the migrant workers busting ass for 80 cents an hour. Fulfilling that need for instant gratification is normal and it would be silly to go around blanketly calling that desire wrong. But every action has a cost, and often we don't see the long term costs as clearly as the immediate benefits and we ignore them (myself included). This is how we find ourselves in environmental catastrophes or even disappointed that we did poorly on a test that we didn't study for because we were out partying too hard the weekend before (like i said, myself included). What does all this have to do with raves? Well, i see raves as a definite precursor for what will soon be dominating mainstream society, the fashion crossover is just a small example. It sort of frightens me sometimes when i hear people getting all excited about VR and cybernetics and all these neat techy things that will dominate our future and go along with the rave scene as well as disposing of your individuality to become a part of the group experience that is going on on the dance floor yet there is no consideration that maybe these things might not be an answer to our problems or might even exacerbate our problems. If raves become seen as dionysian fuck fests (to many, they already are) that's just one more affirmation of larger society's assumption that there is nothing valuable in stable relationships and sex is all that matters. The allusion to Aldous Huxley's spooky predictions in the phrase "Rave New World" seems frighteningly appropriate sometimes. > >People sure are interesting... People sure are...... >Anyhow, PLUR indeed. Have a nice weekend, everybody...please drive safely > >Stu Thanks.... Quit fucking telling me how to drive :> juskidding. peaz, jonas. ============================================================================ jonas eric broth |from the 1992 AAA travel guide, broth.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu | on Columbus, Oh: |"...a main distinction of the city | is that it is not too distinctive..." ============================================================================ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 13 20:45:16 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA02965; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 15:43:51 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA19305; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 14:37:02 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 14:37:02 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJFMQODE7M9TI32I@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: UPFCLARK@memstvx1.memphis.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: UPFCLARK@memstvx1.memphis.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: FAITH in nashville... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO howdy folx! i'm just in from faith (returning to memphis, that is) and i'll just say that the trip was exactly that...one hell of a trip! most of what made my experience what it was was not directly related to the quality of the party. therefore, i'll not tell the whole story... but as for the party! we got there at 2'ish i guess. the party was *rad*! i don't know the appropriate people to name, but props to everyone involved! french e, the lights were great...'nuff said. they always are. i really enjoyed the 2nd room also (the one with the *crazy* strobes). but, sadly, most of my time was spent riding around nashville instead of at the party. :) i had fun anyway! ok...i got to see some old friends and to meet new people: gill (with the *sometimes* rainbow hair): looks like we have a mutual friend...dave dunn's my roomie of mine from arkansas governor's school. fancy that! frisbee (or anyone who can relay to him): cool as shit to see you again! ;) nitro: nice to meetcha...if you don't remember, it was outside...we talked about badges, the net, shit like that. anyway...an exciting weekend for me (not entirely due to the party, but it all comes back to that). i gotta crash... paul c *********************************** ____ ************************************* * Paul F Clark * / \ * Conformity has always been * * upfclark@msuvx1.memphis.edu * / /\ \ * the greatest fear of * * *********** \ \/ / *********** enlightened * * Smeagol * _______\ /_______ * minds... * * * \_______ _______/ * * *************************** | | ***************************** | | | | | | <____> From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 13 20:57:36 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA03224; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 15:57:15 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA21166; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 14:56:01 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 14:56:01 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 32-Hampton X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hmm, I don't know about this, but I think I got a bust-o-meter in my head. Or some second sense that seez, "Don't go!". Anyways, for some strange reasons, I didn't go to the party. But I just wanted to say that this is going to hurt the Milwaukee rave scene, and hurt it bad. The 32 hampton parties were just getting started, and were tending to become a regular day event. This is just some suggestions to someone that may think about doing this at another warehouse in the future.. 1. Don't throw parties every night, there was something going on at the warehouse at least 4 nights of the week. They were just done by word of mouth though. But, as you know word travels quickly to the wrong people. 2. Don't allow alcohol at the party. This just compounds the fines and illegality of the party. 3. Don't charge people, use a donation.. A fund raiser for something.. Or just say it is a fund raiser.. This kills the profit part... But you know how it goes.. If the cops don't bust it, it is a fund raiser for your rent. 4. Try to keep the drug dealing and traficing done away from the party. I know this may be hard but I think if you are going to allow people to reside in this business to your party, the least you can do is ask them to keep there business away from the party.. Like upstairs or something.. I don't know.. 5. Don't allow gang bangers in. This is your residence.. I don't care what you say about being equal to different types of groups and such. It is your ass, and your party.. Cover IT! That is just some suggestions, or precautions I would go through.. Later John Sin MAssive Magazine - Bitch! ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 13 20:59:56 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA03292; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 15:59:12 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA21490; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 14:57:55 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 14:57:55 -0600 Message-Id: <199411132056.OAA21180@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: JL7942%CMSUVMB.bitnet@vm42.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: JL7942%CMSUVMB.bitnet@vm42.cso.uiuc.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: grial X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO oops, that's grail... I for one would like to (somewhat) defend the person who posted the entire script of the holy grail... I'd been trying to get my hands on it for quite some time, and now it just lands in my hands... :) I thought it was an AWESOMELY hilariously SILLY ass phuckin' movie... :) thanks for the post, but, I can say it does take a bit of space... --------------------------------------------------------------------- WALDO/ED/JEREMY LEPEL | WHEN IN NEED OF SPAM, CALL ON YOUR YAKSMAN... ONE OF THE FINAL FEW | FELLOW FRIENDS, FOR ANY REAL FRIEND JL7942@CMSUVMB.CMSU.EDU | SHOULD HAVE A CABINET FULL OF IT! --------------------------------------------------------------------- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 13 21:15:15 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA03698; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 16:14:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA23052; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 15:13:00 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 15:13:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199411132112.PAA22998@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: JL7942%CMSUVMB.bitnet@vm42.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: JL7942%CMSUVMB.bitnet@vm42.cso.uiuc.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: kinda like... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO this is my second post, but basically my introduction to the list... I've been on it for about a week, (I'm sick of the drug posts...) and am glad I found this list because I was formerly on the NE-Raves list, because I am from New York, but going to college in missuori... I've never been to a rave, and right now I'm out of money, and 2 St Louis raves have come and gone sincre I've been on the list... I would have liked to go, and I had a friend that would've gone with me, but he didn't have money either... Ok, but, people have said that a rave is like nothing else... and I believe that totally, in fact, I think I somewhat experienced that last night... I was at a bar/dance club here in town called the loft, and I'm somewhat partial to dancing, but not when no one's there... I like to dance when clubs are packed, and you don't look the the only one dancing... so, while sitting at our table (there were four of us), these two girls that we didn't even know, never even seen at school before, came over to us and asked us to get out on the floor and dance with 'em... I think only three of us got up, but after the other two got on the dance floor, they danced with these two girls who they were looking for when we went... so, I danced with the two girls and one of the girls' boyfriend... the music was typical of what you'd expect from a dance club, mostly Hip-Hop and MTV stuff... I danced for about 2 songs and sat down, cause the two girls left... a little later, I'm back on the floor, dancing with the girls... to make a long story short, I stayed on the floor a long time, got seperated from the girls and found them again, danced mainly with the girl who was single, and at the end of the night, the DJ finally played two really good techno tracks... I couldn't even identify them except for "are you motherfuckers ready!?" was a recurring line in one of them... he had a good light show, a multi-colored globe with internal rotating lights, black-flourscents, strobes, beams, and some other multi colored light... he made good with the lights, all in all, but I've never seen much else, so I'm not really to judge... well, while playing these to techno tracks, and dancing with these two girls and some other people, and feeling like I knew them forever, and the way we were dancing, it almost felt like I was at a rave... of course, there was the added detractant that I wasn't actually AT a rave, but nonetheless, some of it was there... I get that same feeling when I'm back home with all my BBS friends on friday, and even though it's not a dance or a party or anything, we all have that feeling of family... and it feels great to be respected and and included, sometimes by people who have only known you for the first time in person, or even for the first time ever... but, I still feel the need to experience a rave... I'm seeking some type of part time work, and when I get that first paycheck, about $15 of it is going to be locked away, or hopefully, put to use towards an inexpensive rave... so, I'm ready St. Louis, here I come! :) btw... even though I haven't really been involved in this list too much, I feel involved... don't ask me, it's just there... :) later, PLUR... --------------------------------------------------------------------- WALDO/ED/JEREMY LEPEL | WHEN IN NEED OF SPAM, CALL ON YOUR YAKSMAN... ONE OF THE FINAL FEW | FELLOW FRIENDS, FOR ANY REAL FRIEND JL7942@CMSUVMB.CMSU.EDU | SHOULD HAVE A CABINET FULL OF IT! --------------------------------------------------------------------- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 13 21:40:37 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA04227; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 16:40:26 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA25555; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 15:39:08 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 15:39:08 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJFP96758Y9THD6W@MSUVX1.MEMPHIS.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: UPFCLARK@memstvx1.memphis.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: UPFCLARK@memstvx1.memphis.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re:faith in nashville... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO regarding the post that kevin just left...for the record: jen is not my girlfriend, just a friend from school. not that it really matters to anyone, but i just thought i'd say that officially. (hi, rachel :) ) paul c *********************************** ____ ************************************* * Paul F Clark * / \ * Conformity has always been * * upfclark@msuvx1.memphis.edu * / /\ \ * the greatest fear of * * *********** \ \/ / *********** enlightened * * Smeagol * _______\ /_______ * minds... * * * \_______ _______/ * * *************************** | | ***************************** | | | | | | <____> From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 13 22:33:40 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA06062; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:33:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA01357; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 16:31:24 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 16:31:24 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJFQOQPH0YQPI6NN@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: SCHROEDER@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Eric A. Schroeder" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Liquid Love meet place X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO My vote for the meeting place for Liquid Love is at the Golden Basket (casket). It is right by my house and it is a really nice place that has good food. Either that or there is a little cafe downtown called Damrows (sp?) it is a really homely cafe from the 50's that also has swell food and cheap prices. See what you think. Eric A. Schroeder DJ-Spider sig.txt -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric A. Schroeder | If you could digest metal, would it be fattening?-me schroeder@uwplatt.edu | Drive to distraction, crash on the way-Pet Shop Boys 608.342.3169 | Dammit, who stole that amp?-Fun House Productions ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 13 23:09:15 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA07613; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:08:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA05184; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:06:58 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:06:58 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: stu@infochi.infochi.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stu Shea To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Home-less X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Sun, 13 Nov 1994, James M. Constantino wrote: > > Well? Who went? How was it? Well... > > I got there at 1:30, stood in line, saw a drug bust, saw an OD-raver > collapse, stood in line until 3, and then was told the place was at > overcapacity -- and there were still about 200-300 people in front of > me who didn't get in. Hoo boy. > We got there at 12:30, stood in line, saw a drug bust, saw an OD-raver collapse, stood in line until 3, and then were told that the place was at overcapacity -- and there were still about 200-300 people in front of us who didn't get in. Hoo boy indeed. We booked. We must have been near in line to each other... What a total waste of a Saturday night. I hope somebody responsible for this thing is on line and can answer us the following questions. 1. In that this is far from the first event held at the Rainbo, why didn't anyone think about "the fire code" before? 2. If there has always been a "fire code" before, why was the event promoted so damned heavily? 3. How did they plan to shoehorn everyone else in? Wait until people left or something? Or just kick 'em out after awhile, retaining their steep $15 cover? This really sucked, folks. Hope wherever you were, you had a better time. Stu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 13 23:40:31 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA09011; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:39:54 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA08369; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:36:29 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:36:29 -0600 Message-Id: <9411132354.AA04997@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jong@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jon Gilkison To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: those DAMN grinnell kids X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Welp here are some quick highlights of the weekend ... I'd post something longer but I'm so whakked on nyquil right now I can barely spell my own name. Minneapolis Kids (Mouse, Me, Steve, Hannah, Matt and Chris(?)) left minneapolis at around 6 or so Friday, got lost in our own state :P and finally hit Cedar Rapids at 1:30 or later for MrJP's party. Weird, strange, but OK :) Left about an hour and a half later and headed to the almighty Grinell :) Ok the highlights ... 1. Jen Hill 2. The ultra phat vibe 3. Sho's, StevenJ's, Pixel's, Niall's sets!! 4. The game of twister Steve, Hannah and I played in the backseat of the car on the way down. 5. The guy playing ambient at the top of the stairs into the space. A rad surprise when walking out!! :) 6. The Grinell Kids cutting it up! Smiles all around :) 7. Jen Hill 8. The mad ass phukked up completely screwed - but oh so fun - disco gabber set!! 9. DAC Crowell's performance. Wow and a half. 10. Getting infected with the Iwannabeadj virus. 11. Shawn and Tigger continuing the DPN tradition! 12. The Kum 'N' Go 13. Sho and his golden browns. That sounds sick. ;) 14. Jen Hill The only pisser ... 1. Leaving. All in all a sooper rad time with sooper rad people :) Seeyaz!! (Some of you @ mouse's party in fargo!! I'm bringing the gabba!!) earache the professa From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 13 23:50:43 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA09450; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 18:50:05 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA09731; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:48:09 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 17:48:09 -0600 Message-Id: <199411132347.RAA09659@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: beatpunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: more homo stuff :) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >well, the midwest scene is VERY VERY accpeting...at least from what I have >seen...everyone basically lets everyone do what they want, how they want >it...People here don't mind, really...everyone just does their own thing, and >EVERYONE coexists gleefully.... I hjave gotten really good inmpressions of the people round here, specially at supernatural and rustic. The only MW event at which I thought the crowd was shitty was Decension, too many people laughing at the way I dance... ---------------------------beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu------------------------------ "And the further I get from the things that I care about The less I care about how much further away I get" -Robert Smith From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 01:14:36 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA12121; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 20:13:55 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA17659; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 19:10:23 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 19:10:23 -0600 Message-Id: <199411132354.RAA10529@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: DMGRAY@ucs.indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: TriPtoNitE To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: UTOPIA REVIEW! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Just gotta say that this party had the ultra cool vibe! Everything went so terrific! Special thanks to those that were throwing this...john, doc, lynn, kelly...you all are just sooper rad! the music was so good! mike and mike had a great tag team set and then david hollands came on... OH MY GUSHNESS!!!! ditto on the trippin' on sunshine 8*) dave is the best! john came on next with some rad ass old school! whoa! and then he came...the arrival of billeebob... this kid is phuckin incredible! ive been to 2 shows hes been at, but this was the first time i watched him spin. He went off! I fell asleep when jajo got there and missed him. WEnt to the afterhours and watched doc throw down some outrageous tracks! hes getting real good real fast. look out for him 8) i cant believe i left out the preparty...well it went real well...thanks to mark for opening his house to us for the preparty and afterhours. cosmic spun some great tracks at the preparty and then we left for UTOPIA. back to the afterhours...after doc came billeebob. whoa... wait a minute...i had no idea he was coming to the afterhours! woo-hoo! he was so rad once again...we taped the entire preparty and afterhours sets...if anyones interested...we taped: TriPtoNitE Cosmic Doc Billeebob Mark (cathead) has all the tapes...wonderful net turn out for this one... absolutely amazing to see becca again...everyone send her goodbye mail and hugs and kisses...shes going to spain real soon. great to see the purdue kids down here...thanks for coming down to support us! so many names i could name...thanks to everyone for coming down and making this happen! wouldnt be the same without you 8*) Hopefully this will be the beginning of future events to come to bloomington...look out! Next road trip will be for technosaurus...anyone interested in getting the magic bus tour on track again? lemme know 8*) til next time...bye-bye! ...devin ...dmgray@ucs.indiana.edu ..."TriPtoNitE" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 01:14:41 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA12122; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 20:14:00 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA17792; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 19:10:52 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 19:10:52 -0600 Message-Id: <9411140023.AA05031@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jong@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jon Gilkison To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: more homo stuff :) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >was shitty was Decension, too many people laughing at the way I dance... Really?!? That's phukkin lame .... like way phukkin lame .... Some people just need to be set on fire. earache From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 01:14:52 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA12131; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 20:14:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA17928; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 19:11:18 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 19:11:18 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJFUXF2LT2QPI35G@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: KEOKEE X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I'm sorry to inform everyone of this, but this Friday, the house event Keokee, will be postponed, due to the recent events in the Milwaukee scene. It will be rescheduled sometime in the beginning of December, which should be announced within a week or so. If you have a questions or conserns, feel free to email 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' Peace out, Ramylson From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 01:15:31 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA12150; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 20:14:40 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA18081; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 19:11:48 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 19:11:48 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: lhsimmon@artsci.wustl.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Leigh H. Simmons" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: vinyl help X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO while many of my friends were partying in various locals... (i.e. grinnell and nashville) i mistakenly assumed that if i stayed in st. louis that i'd catch up on all my neglected homework assignments.... so.... in an attempt to procrastinate further.... i decided to go to a ska show... now that litle diversion caused some divine inspiration for a couple of nifty house tooonz....now this is where i need help... how does one go about getting a couple of 12" pressed? i don't want to distribute... i just want a couple of copies for my personal use.... any help will be greatly appreciated! =) love and smooches! devil girl From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 01:15:58 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA12200; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 20:15:31 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA18464; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 19:13:43 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 19:13:43 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: synergy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Bradley John Owen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Push - Milwaukee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO The WMSE benefit party known as PUSH was an incredible success as far as I can tell. It was an all around good time...and was shockingly crowded considering the HOME party in Chicago and the Friday night incident. The first DJ was Steven Kaye playin his usual blend of tracks...followed by Rockford's Destro playing da ardcore drum n bass. I took over the tables following...played a variety of tracks on the house side of things. Toby Tyler got on the 1200's next adn played an excellent set of progressive house which escalalted to a more acidic realm. The live performance by 430 West records Yanu certainly got things moving...followed by da man like da Acid Boy. Mr. Bill rounded things out with a bit of gabber and then his signature old school house programming. The overall setup of this party...turnout...music selection...and all that was definitely on the FUN side of things. The afterhours didn't really happen...although there was gonna be something in Waukesha (I didn't go). ANyway...I hope to see all of you at Acidic Pyramid next week (and that will not be held at the Rainbo roller rink). Cheers, Brad Synergy Quadrasonic Promotions Massive Magazine From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 01:16:40 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA12227; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 20:16:10 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA18685; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 19:14:20 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 19:14:20 -0600 Message-Id: <199411140113.TAA18327@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: beatpunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: warehouse article pt 2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >so thats it...such crap. i feel really shitty about this. it sucks. they >have to twist everything. anyway i better go get ready for my final show tonight Yeah... We try to make peace and generate nothing but good feelings, and they wage war on us. What do they think they're accomplioshing? It's not like they're stopping anything, they're just setting four struggling young guys thousands of dollars. It's just a matter of time until it all happens again. What about people getting together and having a good time THREATENS them? Methinks it's the loss of control... William Burroughs once wrote something roughly like "Control is profane and quantatative, like money, time and junk." These people are so un-grown-up that anything they don't sanction gets phukkt... *sigh* enough from me... -- ---------------------------beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu------------------------------ "And the further I get from the things that I care about The less I care about how much further away I get" -Robert Smith From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 02:07:52 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA13509; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 21:07:40 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA24285; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 20:06:18 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 20:06:18 -0600 Message-Id: <199411140205.UAA24109@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: believe@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: xlarge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: home a qick review X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO home- a kick ass party. beatpunk, joe and i, were lucky enough to not have to wait in line. (we got in through the back). this party had 3 kick ass rooms (all of which had sound systems). mega space to just chill if need be. this party rocked pretty hard in my book, yet not as thick a vibe as rustic though. short enough, i think so. :) xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 03:17:08 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA15407; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 22:16:54 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA01514; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 21:15:36 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 21:15:36 -0600 Message-Id: <941113220250_6946240@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Faith X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I survived Faith. The main room lokked like the Cannery but in a lot better shape. The ceiling was about 14 ft high and dark. I liked the room, it had good acoustics and good damping. To get to the main room, people had to use either the stairsway or the elevator. I think that was neet (except to load and unload the gear). So people were free to roam from the upstairs two rooms to downstair to outside. The waether was confortable for the season. The sound : Bob from Sound-o-Mighty did a very good job despite the electrical problems (explained later). There were speaker in each corners of the room. Casey and Chuck from Knoxville brought there own system for the second room. The lights : I think the rafters gave a very neat effects to the lights. There were 8 intelligent lights + the god light in the main room and dataflhes + lazers in the second hip hop room. I like it. The video : Chris Lee and Kenneth Woodruff : congratulations you 2 did a good job. I think you guys did better than any other co. I have seen. Many times I caught myself stuck on the video screen which was right behind the dj. The people : This time it was very mixed. There were all kinds of people : ravers, net-ravers, freaks, club people, old people (40 years and more). I liked it. The party Faith also brought faith to me. Some of you (Paul, for ex) know what I am talking about. The electrical problem in the building. The building had a 50 some years old 200 amps capacity electrical box. Bod was drawing 80 some amps for the sound and I was drawing about a total of 140 amps. 80+120=220 amps The wires slowly but surrely build up heat throughout the nite. By the end of the nite (morning shall I say) there was a strong smell of something burning. The electrical wires cooked. Someone told me that the conduits were extremely warm. Should the party had lasted one more hour , the building would have been on fire. Lessons to remember : there should be a law forbiding the use of non-electromagnetic fuse box. An electromagnetic fuse box rated at 200 amps will open the ciurcuit at 205 amps. A regular melting type of fuse would blow at 240 amps. This is why a lot of old building burn down. Also old wires in old buildings should be replaced with silicon jackets (rated to 105* C) instead of of waxed clothes. Anyway, I had fun and so did a lot of people, not to mention the after hours nitrous party. pEace and out. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 04:23:25 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA17025; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 23:23:03 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA07156; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 22:20:45 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 22:20:45 -0600 Message-Id: <9411140420.AA05498@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: toddo@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: toddo@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Todd O'Boyle) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: UUUUUtopia X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hello all, I hope you had a damn good tyme @ IOWA, you all deserve it. Just wished I could have beeen there. Well, the choice I made to go to Utopia wuz jis excellent, kudos to the promoters. *toddo puts on his rave critiquing helmet* DJ's: excellant is all I have to say-for all of u watchin billybob, how about the nail biter on the DeeeLite album, what a show! Lights: uuuuh, not until the intellilighting was I turned on by the lights, sorry Sound: fix the cracking in the left channel, and you got it down! Vibe: mixed; It wuz excellant to see becca and her lovely friend, bring her back! Doc was unsociable, dunno why? Doc? The only thing bad was the commoners, (the people dancing like they were in a club) they were making fun of my friends and I, Chuck and I were jis groovin and they started laughing and pointing. Made me sad :~( Well, I deem it a success, thanks fo da krash space again, caThead(mmmeeeoooww) sunshine's blue hair dye that is still on mumbles' ear.:P I love you all, remember that! SmoooOOOoooOOches and huggs! -- *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- * toddo@expert.cc.purdue.edu * ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION ATTENTION - * Todd O'Boyle * college kid in search of a major - * Purdue University * - * Liberal Arts * reply to address at left - * "Super Freshman" * All inquiries considered-HELP ME! - *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 04:33:27 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA17298; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 23:33:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA08261; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 22:31:13 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 22:31:13 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: HOME: mixed bag X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i don't like starting reviews with negatives, so first of all i will say that HOME had some really good things about it. BUT: -we waited THREE HOURS in line...from 11.30 pm to 2.30 am!! -as a result, we missed some of the biggest dj's i went six hours from _my_ home to see: (Robert Armani, Hyperactive, Phantom 45, Mike Dearborn, and Method One) -the "jungle room" was little more than a corner with some tables, no lights, and became an "ambient" room afterwards?!?!? -the owners kept turning the lights on and off -the only free water was lukewarm sink water from the bathroom (when will these people learn??) -undercover "ravers" yelling "X! X! fer sale!" (yah i'm gonna fall fer that one) -the party ended at 6.00 am...so i paid $15 for 4 hours. so i think chicago needs to get this shit together...although from what i understand this is typical of chicago parties. seems like they couldn't give a shit. NOW: the positives were REALLY positive. for one thing, if ANYONE had a doubt that techno is a BLACK thing (in certain places like chi and detroit), this party dispelled that notion. from the time i got in till the end i saw like 10 dj's, of which only ONE was white, and Snuggles who is asian. not to make it a racial issue, but it just happens to be a fact. -D. Wynn was fukin it up in the main room when i came in, playin his usual mix of dark and crunchy detroit traxx and hardcore. he was also sportin the rufige cru shirt |) -i heard the last bit of Snuggles in the afrorementioned "jungle room"...i liked it but the set up was WACK. -Blake Baxter from detroit was kickin it in the house room...mad props. -back in the main room, Kevin Saunderson took over from D.Wynn...his set was a weird mixture of house and old-style techno which i did't really get, but i didn't pay that much attention (too much going on!!). -Carl Craig took over from someone else in the "jungle room" and after a rather interesting band whose name i didn't get. Carl started off with some old Yello and then just spun his favorite records from then on. it was cool...he's got similar taste as me. -in the house room, Paul Johnson took over after Blake Baxter. all i can do is to quote titonton on this one: Pzooooooooooooooooooooooooo! Paul has to be among the best i have ever seen. his selection was AMAZING...hard, dark, crunchy house DanceMania styley. it was cool to see the black community be a part of this...everyone in and around the dj booth (except hyperactive who's filipino) was black. this was an awakening for me! -Carl Craig went in the main room then, after Kevin "the Reece" Saunderson, and again Carl threw DOWN. lots of variety. if you don't understand Carl Craig's music you sure did after hearing this set: it was like a blueprint of his taste...everything from Dan Bell to Iridal to Robert Armani and some REALLY WEIRD stuff. -Armando was last in the house room...he seemed distracted although his music was very good...hard vocal house stuff...VERY chicago. he was understandably pissed when they turned the sound off... which brings me to the end: rumor has it that people were caught with hard drugs somewhere and that the owners ended it there...it was supposed to go later. Derrick Carter never even got on. so all in all it was, as i say, a mixed bag. chances are i will not return to chicago because all indications are that most parties turn out like this. i should know, as this was the 4th time i had tried to go to a chicago party, and this is the first one that hasn't gotten busted. saludos a los netravers and others: brian, aka phantom 45 mike, aka snuggles dan curtain, metamorphic madman tots, japanese deepster and potential breaks hookup mcjones, homo at large (*smooch*) milwaukee breaks cru (steven, shanti, and "the man in black tights") my hometown ele mentals doughboy, dee, shalom, chris e. carl craig & meredith d.wynn john and ian from treetown (ann arbor inna house!) jon from mwraves jason, aka method one hardcore jenny & mark from cincy collective blake baxter, whose record store in detroit is on the corner of griswold and grand river... joe, aka hyperactive miles maeda (where was he??) titonton and PSE my ride (heh) anyone i fergot anyone who thinks a party will ever have a bill as good as this one...i hope yer right but I DOUBT IT!! ++ e d From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 05:15:51 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA18280; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 00:15:42 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA11442; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 23:13:34 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 23:13:34 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MiCKeY HoNMyHR To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: IOWA= :) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ok so me and two friends, matt and eric, left fargo and picked up the rest of the mpls krew-hannah, guido, and jon, and began our little excursion through iowa. to make a long story short... you can save a lot of time taking backroads through the middle of nowhere, and learn a lot of new things. arrived at Family Affair, had a good time, slept, toured iowa city looking for a taco bell. ate nasty hamburgers at burger king with charred things on them. went to grinnell. headed back home. ride back was great. the boyz crashed out and slept the whole way leaving me to drive in the rain with dj snuggles, hyperactive, djkc, and my thoughts. highlights of the weekend/memories... 1)kum n go/QuickTrip 2) Urge...heh heh heh 3) seeing everyone again 4)meeting brad and sho :) 5) listening to the game of twister going on behind me 6) all the dj's at grinnell 7) watching jen hill blow smoke bubbles 8)*snore* things that sucked 1)matt and eric tripping- BTW..they both apologize to anyone they might have offended. they were tripping pretty hard.. however, they both said they had a great time, they have only gone to mpls more events and were quite surprized. 2) leaving in the morn. final thought: i was sitting on the couch when dac started his set, about 10mn into it i looked out on the floor at everyone laying there. the music was so rad and everyone looked so peaceful and content. we were all just bonding with this amazing energy in the air yet sooo relaxing. it was a sooooper rad feeling. definitely the best i have felt in a long time :) see ya on the 10 or at acidic pyramid LOVE YA'LL OODLES AND OOODLES AND OOOOOOODLES mouse ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- M I C K E Y H O N M Y H R "it is easier not to be great." ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 05:25:27 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA18414; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 00:25:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA12334; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 23:23:56 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 23:23:56 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: vinyl help X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Sun, 13 Nov 1994, Leigh H. Simmons wrote: > > how does one go about getting a couple of 12" pressed? i don't want to > distribute... i just want a couple of copies for my personal use.... > i dunno too much about this stuff but i do know that most record press'rs make prototype records called "dubplates." these are one-offs which cost like $40-60 a piece and only last a few plays. these are used as the master for cutting mass quantities. anyone out there please feel free to correct this if need be... ++ e d hey leigh....*smooch* From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 05:37:09 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA18626; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 00:37:03 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA13410; Sun, 13 Nov 1994 23:35:27 -0600 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 1994 23:35:27 -0600 Message-Id: <199411140534.AA18915@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: gmk40719@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Gregory M. Kus" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: home-rainbo X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Again.. ???? RAINBO roller rink.. last year--Psychosis--\ waited 1 hour in line outside.. got in the door.. another length of line probably 1 hour.. fuck that.. Ripe has had some good raves.. I liked Boom a lot.. but to have a rave at Rainbo.. that is lame I sincerely hope no one uses that fucking place ever.. I am glad I didn't go home to HOME...sadness to all that had to wait... I don't get why they are so paranoid at the place that they firsk everyone and make everyone wait forever in line?? hmm.. go figure. -Greg -- -Kus ~Living in the Circle of Illumination Between Night and Day~ _____________________________________________________________________________ Gregory M. Kus University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign gmk40719@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu CCSO Short Course Instructor NeXT Mail: gmk40719@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu gmk40719@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 06:17:06 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA19283; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 01:17:00 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA16958; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 00:15:13 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 00:15:13 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: warehouse article pt 2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO just to let everyone know...no one has been fined yet for the party on friday. all bullshit. the interlab crew will be back online tomorrow so i will let them tell the story:) l8r ellen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 06:24:26 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA19367; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 01:24:20 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA17651; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 00:22:34 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 00:22:34 -0600 Message-Id: <199411140617.AAA06400@earth.execpc.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: danimal@earth.execpc.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: danimal@earth.execpc.com (Archaeopteryx) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: sex AT raves X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >dionysian fuck fests (to many, they already are) that's just one more >affirmation of larger society's assumption that there is nothing valuable >in stable relationships and sex is all that matters. I thought of this too. From reading these posts and the alt.music.techno, alt.rave. If a person from the outside looking in the would think it was just a hedonistic party, as you say a dionysian fuck fest. I am glad that some people here don't believe in that sort of thing. I don't believe in it, but then I don't believe alot of this in the Rave scene such as the need for drugs, the rave politics and I don't believe in the details of PLUR although I do agree with the basic principle. Although I do a question for you all. 1) Why is a Rave called a Rave? Where did the name come from? Did someone see all these people dancing and what not and say "There people are stark RAVING mad!"??? or am I just out in left field here? DTW Copyright 1994 D.T.W. Corp All rights and lefts reserved. Oh Goody! My Alludium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator! Sex is Hereditary, If your parents never had it chances are you won't either. A Dream is a fleeting moment but, a Dream about You is Eternal. Danimal@Earth.Execpc.com Compuserve ID: 74130,2137 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 06:48:58 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA19874; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 01:48:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA19041; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 00:47:31 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 00:47:31 -0600 Message-Id: <9411140646.AA78663@student2.cl.msu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: gorellka@student.msu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Katherine Gwynn Gorell" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: toronto... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO is anyone on this list from there? I had the strabgest time last night at the syrous (sp!) party... it was strange indeed. i had really no idea who was spinning, because I never got a flyer...only my friend tom said that it'd be fun, and itwas... but the djs there were english, and were into doing this hardcore-ish RAp STUFF what's that? I don;t know, but want to know why they were doing things that way...I suppose I wasn'r prepared for what happened there...there was a lot od crystal meth, and some coke too...neither of which I think are that cool, but people seemed to be having a ton of fun...the other room (house...) was rad though. :) I was grooving out. :P it wasn't detroit though...:( and that seems to be the only way I can think about it...it was no match for dee day either-- was anyone there? :) best party ever...:P not that I've been to all that many, but I was BLOWN AWAY!%^$^%$*%^$*&$ wow..... bummer that we didn;t get the chance to explore the city though... seemed like there were lots of good records there that were waiting for me to buy them.... :) if any of you ever head that way, I suggest that you eat pancakes at the golden griddle in london. :P yummy! the coffee tastes strange in canada too... but kind of good strange... talk to everyone later. xoxoxox kaytee From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 06:51:33 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA19910; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 01:51:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA19294; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 00:50:17 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 00:50:17 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 11/26 in milwacky X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO we gotta have a party...sometime that weekend...somewhere in the milwaukee area!!!! so anyone know of any available spaces? gee...doesn't it suck to be a raver in milwaukee these days? if nothing else is anyone willing to have a thanksgiving net raver ambient party? just a small little thing...you know...real casual and all. no info lines or flyers or anything. you all know i would be more than willing to do this myself if i didn't live with my mother. c'mon...we can get people to spin no problemo!! maybe even some live pa! c'mon! i am on my knees! i can't have it at my house but i am more than willing to help in any other way possible! pleeeezzz!!! ok...not all ambient...some other stuff too:) so who is willing to help?:) thanks guys! i know some ultracoolsooperdopeflynetraver will do something!:) ellen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 06:55:52 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA19963; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 01:55:45 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA19703; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 00:54:24 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 00:54:24 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: XENODOCHEUM:ColsOH 11.19.94 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO "from the flier": | | ___ __ __ __ _ ___ \/ ___ |\ | | | | \ | | / |__| ___ | | |\ /| /\ ___ | \| |__| |__/ |__| \_ | | ___ |__| | \/ | | | 19nov94 featuring: claude young (detroit) dieselboy (pittsburgh) ~sines (columbus) kevy kev (columbus) mike g (columbus) with get smart and yum yum $6 adv at World Record (1980 n high st) or $8 at the door 10pm till 5am newport music hall, 1722 n high st, columbus info: 614.341.7041 note: the space is wack but for those of us in central ohio this is worth it...good choonz and not too expensive. world record is open till 10pm so get em there... claude young is worth much $ to see spin!!!! ++ e d w a r d l u n a From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 07:09:34 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA20166; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 02:09:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA20771; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 01:07:31 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 01:07:31 -0600 Message-Id: <9411140706.AA02314@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Shawn DeVries) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Iowa? why IOWA? :) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO WHy IOwa? why not! Yes the car trip is long. Yes the scenery sucks and YES, Anthony, the trip between Illinois packs much Funk.....we're talking livestock funk, here....whew! anyways, I ramble my opinion: after waiting for Jen to shower and get her spare tire, we finally left around 4:30, our time....arriving at JP's party (after listening to DJ Sy in the car, who did in fact, tweak my.....) Hey JP, fans are cool! Too bad there weren't any. If this was a family affair, it was a torrid, hot, sexy family affair! It was hot, almost as hot as Aphrodesia in Chicago two summers ago.... Fun....sho, cool set....that girl JuicyFruit, rad clubby house that I haven't heard in a while.....wierd vibe, but I like to dance and I was friggin wired....... Hi shannon! Me, Shannon, Tigger, Niall and Christina took off for Grinnell to get some very phat sleep in the infamous "squeeeeeeky bed" (you know what I mean, dammit! :) *glow*....we didn't all sleep in this bed....I ramble... Niall, it was rad hitting the bakery at 4:00 in the morning. Grinnell is just a really cool small town, man! The next day....soft warm fuzzies, spinning in Tigger's room, watching Jason blow bubbles on the roof of the Loggia....seeing mad fuzzies between the two LoveKidz (another J^2..Jen & Jon)....life is good.... Um....where's the sound? We set up....I spun....hey, scratching live is fun! I wish I could've spun on the main sound system, but hey! Thanks for letting me spin anyways! Rad..... The rest of the night was a collage of faces, lights, sounds, soft warm fuzzies and love from my second family, with the parental Steven J and Mellissa watching over.... :) DAK....your ambient was rad......anyone that can create such beauty out of the equipment I study in my Electrical Engineering labs is pretty cool in my book..... :) Art anyone? :) All in all a great time.....Grinnell is a great place, the people are rad and free.....You guys are going to rock Iowa very soon, I can tell..... I'm hoping to make it out to *brrrrrrr cold* North Dakota to see MOuse and her party.......that is around finals, but hey! Hi Shannon! love ya all......another rad weekend props out to the Utopia crew.....catch you on the flipside, glad DPN was hit again like a phat joint..... shawn ______________________________________________________________________________ misfit-baloo-------shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu-------Shawn M. DeVries we are all in the same family Purdue University's proud representative of the Raving Engineers ______________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 07:44:39 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA20488; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 02:44:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA22000; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 01:43:02 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 01:43:02 -0600 Message-Id: <9411140742.AA07946@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jwalden@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: jwalden@expert.cc.purdue.edu (jason) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Incredible edible iowa X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Let me first start out by saying that the past weekend was the most fun I've had since I can remember. *) The "trip" there...it was phat, but I was asleep most of the time. :)~ I'm glad Sho didn't kill matt on the way to Iowa. We got to Bloomington/(ab)Normal and picked up the "little red-headed-irish-woman" and were on our way to Family Affair. Family...Nathan was the bomb. I couldn't believe how much smoke came out of that place when we opened the door! Unfortunately, I haven't been around the mwraves scene long enough to know who most of the dj's were, but for the most part, it was metamucally-unconstipated (tm) Sho...little, yellow, different, and definitely better. Man, you just ripped the sh** out of the tables. I felt like a kid in a techno-candystore. It must be the shoes! Jen, I`m glad you didn't explode waiting for "yo mann" 8) Matt and I had way too much fun not to be on any...uh...never mind. Shannon, you get props over here, girrrrl. Tyler, you know who you are, you sing like an angel. After the party...Happy Chef rules!!!!!!!!!! French toast and "purple syrup" are the shiznit. Once again, I fell asleep in the back of sho's ride. :( Grinnel...Phattness was sitting on top of the Loggia outside Tigger's window blowing bubbles. Tigger, you're all of dat and a bowl of Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs. Biosphere III rocks! Grinnel's got the new flava in ya ear. Shawn, Jen, Sho, Niall, Tigger, DAK, and anybody and everybody I may have forgotten...mad props. You guys spun like crayzee! I wanted to dance, but my ankle said no. Dak serves up mind-melting all beef patties on an ambient bun. Props to the luvbyrds shawn + shannon and Jen + Jon. You guys were adorable. ;) Pixel and the St. Louis kru...great job on the lights and stuff. You guys are rad. Overall, iowa was the most fun for many reasons. There was an overflowing amount of love for one another. I hope none of you never change. Thanks for lettin' me "be mice-elf" -- __ /\_\ \/ __ ______ ______ ______ __ __ /\ \/\ __ \/\ ___\/\ __ \/\ "-.\ \ _\_\ \ \ \/\ \ \___ \ \ \/\ \ \ \-. \ /\_____\ \_\ \_\ \_____\ \_____\ \_\ "\_\ \/_____/\/_/\/_/\/_____/\/_____/\/_/ \/_/ jwalden@expert.cc.purdue.edu jwalden@mentor.cc.purdue.edu /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Can be reached at: NASA (713)483-3111 The White House (202)456-1414 "Teddy Bears and Barbie Dolls The Kremlin 0107-095-295-9051 can't boogie down." The Vatican 011-39-6-6982 The Crib (317)495-5755 -Bootsy \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 08:23:27 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA20936; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 03:23:11 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA23148; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 02:21:46 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 02:21:46 -0600 Message-Id: <941114032052_7109758@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: AnodeBAM@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: AnodeBAM@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: any thoughts on FAITH? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Just wondering, can anybody who went give me some feedback/critique on Faith? I like to know what you guys like/dislike so I can improve ... you know... stuff. thanx chris anode From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 09:38:33 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA21907; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 04:38:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA24713; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 03:37:28 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 03:37:28 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: barnetjr@ucunix.san.uc.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jenifer A Barnett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ketamine and other stuff X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO First off, NIacin is the chemical to use for bringing people down from bad trips. a dose of 1-2 grams with calm a person and ease them down. The effects are not immediate but take around 1/2 an hour to take hold. Also, prepare the person for a skin flush with a redding of the skin as the skin capillaries dilate. The flush kinda feels like a sunburn but some people come to enjoy it. The feeling is very weird but cool. I usually carry niacin at the smart bar and have used it about eight or nine times for ailing ravers, all with good responses. Also, fyi niacin cuts cholestoral levels immensely, there is little need for cholestol medication thats just another FDA/pharmicutical scam along with prosac. More information can be had in a convenient package from Pearson and Shaws Life Extension. Every person should read this book the information contained within is invaluable. As for Ketamine, obviously no one has spent much time on the EAst coast Out there, ketamine or Special K is very popular among the Klub Kids and some ravers. The preferred ingestive method among these users is ensnuffelation(snorting). For those familar with leary's eight circuit model of consciousness ketamine is an eighth circuit opener. The preferred method for those wishing to use ketamine for mystic experiences by injection under close supervision. Ketamine is a dissociative anesthetic which means it seperates your mind from your body/ At optimal dosages the user apparently loses consciousness, but in reality zooming in a mental universe. Ketamine was formerly used on humans during surgery but the patients kept awakening with these mind blowing trip experiences so an amnesiac was add to make people forget their trips and eventually human use stopped (I think) peace, tim ImSmartRU/Evolution oh ps the new line-up for teknosaurus is 10-11:40 mike huckaby 11:40-1:20 dieselboy 1:20-3 lenny d 3-4:40 scott henry 4:40-6:20 terry mullan 6:20-8 mark farina From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 09:54:39 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA22131; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 04:54:32 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA25245; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 03:53:23 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 03:53:23 -0600 Message-Id: <199411140948.JAA06000@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: warehouse article pt 2 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu: >>so thats it...such crap. i feel really shitty about this. it sucks. they >>have to twist everything. anyway i better go get ready for my final show >>tonight > >Yeah... We try to make peace and generate nothing but good feelings, and >they wage war on us. What do they think they're accomplioshing? It's not >like they're stopping anything, they're just setting four struggling young >guys thousands of dollars. It's just a matter of time until it all happens >again. What about people getting together and having a good time THREATENS >them? Methinks it's the loss of control... William Burroughs once wrote >something roughly like "Control is profane and quantatative, like money, >time and junk." These people are so un-grown-up that anything they don't >sanction gets phukkt... *sigh* enough from me... Just my thoughts: o Holding illegal parties at the same exact place multiple times a week for several weeks will get you two things... lots of publicity and lots of chances to get busted. o Allowing alcohol is a sure way to get yourself busted quickly. o If you have that many people show up, and parking seemed to have been such a problem/signal to the cops, then why not have someone out there directing traffic? (maybe there was; I dunno; it just didn't sound like there was) o I would think if there's four people responsible, only one person _admit_ responsibility. One person says its their party, then only one person gets fined. The four can split the fine if they want... o I heard the money was taken. Why give it up? Make up some BS about paying for sound or DJs that left already or something. No reason to give it all away. The story as I heard it claimed E, acid, crack and a heroin needle... people just dumped their shit on the floor when the cops turned on their flashlights. Stupid. Take in only what you're going to consume; and if you haven't taken it yet, put it in your body as soon as you can. The dealers should know better and have other precautions... I don't think this event will seriously change things in Milwaukee... there haven't been any real parties here for a while; just small housey get-togethers that have run on and off for a while (getting more frequent just recently). The BS will blow over and something will startup someplace else in the city. Guess we'll just have to wait and see... (BTW, I've been there a couple of times, and while I had a _great_ time the times I was there and wish Eric and his friends the best, I think everyone knew this couldn't go on the way it had been forever...) -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 09:54:55 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA22137; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 04:54:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA25321; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 03:53:41 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 03:53:41 -0600 Message-Id: <199411140948.JAA06003@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: HOME ranting X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Man, what a load of crap. I got there at 10, helped unload some sound, and then sat around with everyone else as we waited for the rollerskaters to stop, well... rollerskating at 11. Then the main sound was setup in the large room. At 11:30 the incredible _bitch_ of an owner of the space started trying to kick out as many people as possible. Not wanting to cause problems, and after Davey Dave apologized to me and told me to just go outside for a while and then come back in, I left. At this point I stood in line, and could not re-enter as I had thought. I stayed in line for three... yes THREE _*FUCKING*_ HOURS outside in fucking November in fucking Chicago. At which point we saw that they had a whole two people rudely frisking everyone coming in. Why have a zillion DJ's and promote so damned hard so you can have thousands of people show up, and then bottleneck them all by having a tiny doorway and TWO people frisking them? The line was only about the length of the building, but it moved _sooooo_ slowly. Ugh. So we get past gestappo checkpoint #1 and then get to the inner door, where (now at 2:30 AM), we're told it's still $15 to get in. I pay my $15 and then, 10 people from the door, they shut them and tell everyone that they're over capacity, they don't really know how many people are in there, and we'll just have to wait until they figure out what to do next. Of course, at this point, we have several hundered people in a corridor not really designed for that many people. Several of them had decided to do their drugs while in line, and now were peaking and not having too good of a time in these cramped quarters. From time to time a promoter would push his way through the line, and people would yell "you fucking _suck_, man" to their face, or whatever. Other people just wanted their money back. One girl next to me started dry heaving, and another sat on the floor and cried. Ugh #2. So we got pushed _back_ past another set of doors and were told to wait so we could get our money back. Of course, the people I came down here with had been in the building for over four hours now, were going to be here until the party was over, and I had no place else to go. So I waited. Another half hour to 45 minutes, and they let 15 more people in. I was one of those 15... :-) At this point, it was almost four in the morning. I was quite irritated, tired, sore, and pissed that I had missed several of the DJ's that I had come specifically to see. I should have stayed in Milwaukee, I thought. More wonderful points: o Three people got held-up in the bathroom. Because of this, the lights were turned on, and stayed on. The lights were turned on at Psychosis II, but that was because the owner (the same wonder- fully nice lady that ejected me) wanted another $1500 to turn them off. So the promoters said, "fuck it, leave 'em on." o Some E'd out chick got hauled off in an ambulance before I even got in. o Some E'd out guy took off his clothes and ran outside, into the street, screaming and chanting. He was hit by a car. I don't know if he was seriously hurt or not. o Two girls were doing lines of coke out in the open where everyone (including gestappo roller-rink security and owner-bitch could see. o People were rolling joints under the same conditions as my last point. Some pot was confiscated by gestappo troops. o Cops were called, gestappo got unruly and bitch-in-charge was reasonably upset. Rodger (RP Smack/RIPE) closed it at 5:30. Woo. $15 for an hour and a half of glee. I didn't dance, dose, or have anything resembling a good time. Of what I heard of the music, it was excellent. The sound in the main and 2nd room was great. DBN's sound was illogically placed at the end of a hallway... weird setup. Several early DJ's got shafted... either by playing to empty rooms or getting bumped early (Woody got to play _two songs_ and then was bumped for Phantom 45 -- yes, he got paid, but I get a really bad feeling when stuff like that happens). There was a free afterhours with Mystic Bill, Traxx and Davey Dave spinning. Free breakfast, too, I was told. I didn't go; I just wanted to go home and go to bed. Of course, since everyone was evicted before 6:00 and the afterhours didn't start until 8:00, I have no idea where people were supposed to go in Chicago for two hours. I'm not entirely blaming Roger and Dave for what happened; since they weren't directly responsible for everything that happened. But since they've thrown big parties before, I'm of the opinion that things could have been planned better... especially since they should have expected a 2,000+ crowd with that lineup and that much promotion. When I first walked into the space, I thought it was cooler than poop, but after seeing what happened (and finding out that similar things had happened at other parties that were held there), I question its choice as a spot. Pyramyd's location sounds great; I just hope they don't run into the same kind of problems. This had been one of the biggest (#-wise) parties I had been to, and frankly, I thought it was _too_ big. Sound systems all over the place, it was hard to determine who was playing where (not everyone had one of those programs), easy to lose people you wanted to stick with, not much vibe anywhere ('cept the smaller room, from what I saw), and a _lot_ of unhappy people. Lot of total freaks, too. A large percentage of people I've never seen at a Chicago party. From other people in Chicago that I talked to, the Raibo attracts a weird crowd? Saw a _few_ netravers; and of course I couldn't make it to the smartbar at 1:00. Lighting I thought could have been better; they had lots of lighting that didn't make it from what I hear (including two big lasers). Film loops in the main room were very good, of what I saw. I just think that a lot more was planned for that party than we got to see... a lot of stuff just didn't go off correctly (or at all). Oh well. I've been going to parties for over two years now (pretty much every weekend since March of this year) and this is the first time I've ever not had a good time. Guess it was bound to happen sooner or later. See 'ya at Acidic Pyramyd. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 10:06:20 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id FAA22265; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 05:06:08 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA25939; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 04:05:15 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 04:05:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199411141000.KAA06171@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Calendar submission _change_ X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I won't be able to get online Wednesday, Thursday, or much of Friday... so the calendar will be released _Tuesday_ evening. Please get any info to me as soon as possible. I apologize for the inconvenience. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 11:12:19 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id GAA22865; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 06:12:07 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id FAA27180; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 05:10:55 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 05:10:55 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: lollipop@m-net.arbornet.org Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jennifer Lynn Hill To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: those DAMN grinnell kids X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey Jon, i think your e-mail server is skipping like a scratched rekkid...my name was on your list 3 times.... *grin* *smoooochies* jen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 11:19:01 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id GAA22967; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 06:18:54 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id FAA27570; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 05:17:58 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 05:17:58 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: lollipop@m-net.arbornet.org Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jennifer Lynn Hill To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: IOWA= :) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Okay, here is my Iowa review... It ROCKED!!!! *WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!* I have realized, that I would rather go to one of these little net gatherings than a big party, I have more Phun (CAPITAL PHHHHHH!!!) Meet more people, and all in all, have a great time!!! =-) =) And thanks to everyone for letting me and Jon do the Disco-Gabber thing, that made my whole night! I haven't had that much fun in a long time!! WOOOOOOHOOOOO! oh, and Jong, you rock my world!!! thanks to tigger and Niall and everyone else who came to Iowa! you all ROOL!!!!! jen (lollipop-Disco/gabber queen) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 11:40:25 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id GAA23147; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 06:40:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id FAA28180; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 05:39:14 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 05:39:14 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: massive@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Lucas Jay Zimmer To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: the incredible PWEI X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > Also: is anyone going to see Pop Will Eat Itself the same night? That's > the main reason that I'm headed up. They are sooo great! Not exactly rave, > (actually, hardly at all, anymore) but man, I luv em so. > Thanks evah so much: > NoRelation > WHAT?!?!?!?!? IF ANYONE KNOWS ABOUT WHERE PWEI IS PLAYING AND WHEN, PLEASE SEND ME INFO. PWEI IS GOD. matt mot massive From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 13:22:44 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id IAA24299; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 08:22:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id HAA01974; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 07:21:20 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 07:21:20 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: marmoset@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dave Walker To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ?s that hit at 4:00 AM X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Fri, 11 Nov 1994, michael john kessler wrote: > 1) Why is it that Scooby Doo could barely speak while Scrappy had perfect > articulative speech? Dunno, but the funniest thing I ever heard anyone say about the Scooby Doo show was the following, from 1991 or so: that the idea of the "Manchester" music/fashion thing was to look as much like Shaggy as possible. > 2) What the hell is retzin? Aliens synthesize it, we eat it up like it's _nuthin'_... > 3) Why doesn't Dr. Strange just wipe everyone out with a flick of his > wrist? Now where's the fun in that? > 4) If our lives had cool music played in certain circumstances like in the > movies would we be charge $5.50 a day to live? My friend John once decided that he would hire an orchestra to follow him around and play appropriate music as he went through his daily business -- ominous strings when he went to meet with his academic adviser, for instance. On Now: _Prazision_ by Labradford ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@msen.com freeke robot luv From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 14:12:55 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id JAA25499; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 09:12:47 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA06372; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 08:11:06 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 08:11:06 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: massive@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Lucas Jay Zimmer To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: milwacky X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO God I love this town. Actually, Milwaukee pretty much sucks, but that is what makes this town (our scene) so rad. In comparison to other communities I have seen around the midwest and beyond, milwaukee has some of the most fucked up laws, as well as an overall evilfuck bias towards rave parties. It seems, almost, that fifty years ago or so- they saw it coming. "my god, the way things are going, they youth of the nineties are going to tire from the same old meat market clubbing rut and take to the underground, throwing parties on their own accord and listening to their own music and in general, throwing up a big FUCK YOU to society.... THEY MUST BE STOPPED!!!' And so a these silly laws we're made- not only in milwaukee, mind you, i imagine that there was some fortune-telling head honcho that set the bunch off, but milwaukee got a little too much of the paranoia soup. As shitty as Chicago seems to be getting- AGAIN (must be menstrual), at least the cops aren't as big of FUCKS as they are here. I think the only thing I have noticed as a positive affect from the well-loved MPD is that there is an ABUNDANCE of cute girlie cops.... I mean this in an entirely fantisizical way... Come on, am I the only guy who thinks about this? I mean, I'd rather, you know, get the old 'body cavity search' or what not from one of Milwaukee's Female Finest than, say that big spooky-monster bitch (not meant to be demeaning to women- she WAS a bitch) that pulled me and Cody over at the Deee-Lite show.... SOMEONE side with me here- Has anybody here enjoyed a nice, thorough FRISK from a cop of the opp? I guess most of the females here would have considered it sexual harrassment- which is probly true- but for guys (er, at least for me) it is much different. God, where the hell was I going?..... Oh, yeah. Forget about all that lady cop stuff. The point I was going to make was that in Milwaukee, we are constantly at struggle with "THE MAN' to have a good time, and therefore it just makes us struggle harder- you know, that whole "Hippies make cops : Cops make Hippies" thing. Don't let those fuckers get you down. Fight that ticket; tell them what you think; do what ever you PEACEFULLY can to make your point that you won't put up with their SHIT. I also want to say (before I start thinking about that one chick who arrested me, again) is that I'm glad to see that everyone is starting to think about throwing these independent parties... It doesn't take much- especially if you are going to school out in the middle of nowhere and you can manage to get in good with the school to throw a nice, al-night BENEFIT... good word- that benefit. It has just recently, I believe, out done that other great (but well-used) word VIDEO-SHOOT. And, in the end, a benefit feeds, clothes, helps someone in need- which rounds out our CAUSE a little more. If you are a HUMAN- at last check, I believe we all are, you might also have a FAMILY- a large one at that. I gamble to say that at least 20 percent of us has a cool hippie or at least a cool person in that family who just might happen to own VACANT PROPERTIES, or barns or- use your imagination- to throw SMALL parties in. Small parties 10-500 are where it is at. For two weekends in a row I have opted for small or rural parties instead of some bigtown glut. Peole out in the middle of nowhere PARTY HARD. Big ups to everyone piecing together the parties in Iowa, Mid-State Illinois and Indiana, and northern Wisconsin. If you haven't noticed, these are the places where some major changes are going on- the conversion of people who would have otherwise been unexposed to what this is all about, who are then affected, who then affects each and every person they encounter (hopefully) in the same positive light. Our Movement (and I hope I can say this without sounding too sappy) is Silent, resulting from gatherings of Sound, Noise, Chaos, Thought, Unity, Respect, and Love. For thousands of years, people have conjuered animosity and hatred for one another because of clashing beliefs, greed, and overpopulation... yet we can pack a bunch of people in a room- add bliss, and out of the faucet comes Change, Friendship, Understanding, and Peace. This may seem odd- but I thought about all of this while looking at the fractals on my screensaver- that whole 'Infinately smaller/bigger' thing. It keeps going... from a large pod to 5 smaller- each spawning 5 of it's own- going on, forever- making a distinct trail for the source... which is only a spawn of something else... conquering all space for all time- forever. Someone please respond to this- I wrack my mind to say something that makes a difference whenever i post (with the exception of the PWEI thing), and no one ever says 'Yeah, that's cool.. and I think...' or 'Man, he's fulla shit...' etc. matt mot massive From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 17:20:57 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA29701; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:20:40 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA20409; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:13:59 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:13:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199411141426.JAA01431@london.physics.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sho@physics.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sho Kuwamoto To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: home, iowa, and idle thoughts X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I went to iowa this weekend. My housemate Jay went to Home. I'll give a quick quick review first, and then some thoughts about big/little parties. Friday night: spun @ MrJP's party. It's nice to go to a place like iowa every once in a while to see a scene starting up. Although the crowd was mostly (75%?) non ravers, there were quite a few dedicated kids out there who told me about parties they were in the process of planning, talked to me about records/record stores, etc. etc. Saturday night: tigger's party @ grinnell. I had a wonderful time. How could I not? Much love to jen, shawn, shannon, jason, matt, brad, keokee, stevenj, melissa, jong, mouse, dac, tigger, niall, and anyone I may have missed. Hilight of the evening: jen and jong's disco/gabber tag team! Small parties vs. big parties: I think that both have their place. Small parties are nice and intimate. Big parties have better sound and better DJs. I like to go to both. I had as much fun at tigger's party as I have anywhere else. However, I wouldn't be happy if small parties like tigger's were ALL I ever went to. Same with big parties. Although it sounds as if Home had its problems, there are some big parties that are just killa. There's nothing like going nuts to a set by Richie accompanied by 2000 other raving lunatics. However, I wouldn't be happy if big parties were ALL I ever went to. Big parties and small parties have their places. In fact, I wouldn't enjoy the big parties as much without the bonds I've made with other ravers through little parties, and I wouldn't enjoy bonding with people at little parties as much without the shared experience of mind-blowing big parties! The ideal party for me is something like AfterWorld. Incredible DJs, good sound, and an intimate group of dedicated people to share it with. -Sho -- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm having for lunch! Sho Kuwamoto. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 17:22:40 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA29757; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:22:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA21597; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:18:24 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:18:24 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: dacc@tigerden.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "D.A.C. Crowell" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: vinyl help X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Sun, 13 Nov 1994, Leigh H. Simmons wrote: > how does one go about getting a couple of 12" pressed? i don't want to > distribute... i just want a couple of copies for my personal use.... Well, _pressing_ a couple 12"-ers is not really feasable; the process of record pressing is really one cued strictly to mass production. However, if you can get access to a record mastering facility, you can have a couple of 12" lacquer discs cut for you. However, there are some problems... 1) lacquer discs are softer than vinyl. The grooves will wear quite quickly, and aren't conducive to really rough handling like one would subject a disc to in DJ work. The sound quality will start to diminish after about 30-40 playings, and especially so on any parts of a track that sees a good deal of repeated cuing. 2) lacquers cost about $100 or so apiece to do. You're being charged here not for doing a tiny run of a mass-produced object, but for mastering lab time plus the cost of the lacquer blank itself. However, this is still cheaper than doing a run of 5-10 pressed 12" discs, which will include the cost of _all_ of the mastering process in those discs. Other than this, lacquers are a halfway decent solution to getting something onto a 12" for DJs to spin. No, they still aren't as cost-effectiove as putting out a 12" for real, but they do provide a good solution for people at the ground level with tracks which might work for DJs. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\ "We have come to the edge of a world which D.A.C. Crowell |offers us the limits of the accessible, of the Audio Design and Programming |unpredictable; it must be possible for some- The Aerodyne Works |thing not of this world to find a way through, Champaign, IL, USA. |something that hitherto could not be found by dacc@tigerden.com |any radio station on this earth. Let us set <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>/ out to look for it!" --Karlheinz Stockhausen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 17:24:23 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA29802; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:24:05 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA21419; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:17:40 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:17:40 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: past weekend X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO More from me later, but I had to get a few thoughts onto my kybd before I head up to campus. Friday night: Even though little facts are out yet one thing seems clear to me. If the parties would have stayed as underground as they have been for the past couple of months then maybe Friday night's bust wouldn't have happened. Was it really necessary to throw a party and ask for money after promoting the thing? I mean, the one Friday night affair I made it to I had a blast, there was a fairly sizable crowd for most of the evening and it went of without a hitch. Why bring money, LOTS of drugs and gang-bangers into the equation? Not to mention letting people in with alcohol. So, I'll wait for more comments until I get the real deal from the guys. I'll also post some stuff (ALL props =) about Iowa. *MAN*, I had some fun. - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 17:27:47 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA29915; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:27:37 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA21971; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:19:38 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:19:38 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Plus 8 Update! (fun for the whole family!) (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I don't know how many people re truly interested in the following message, but I spend a lot of time reading the IDM ailing list, for a lot of reasons. If you notice at the end of this piece, Jason mentions something about reord companies. Read it and think about it. Freely post your thoughts, ideas. - stevenJ ___________________________________________________________________________ Forwarded message: > From hyperreal.com!idm-owner Mon Nov 14 11:18:01 1994 > From: "Jason W. King" > Message-Id: <199411141550.KAA12847@calum.csclub.uwaterloo.ca> > Subject: Plus 8 Update! (fun for the whole family!) > To: idm@hyperreal.com, agianni@acsu.buffalo.edu > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 10:50:26 -0500 (EST) > Priority: pretty darn important! > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Length: 1459 > Sender: owner-idm@hyperreal.com > Precedence: bulk > > I just got off the phone with Carla at Plus8 Records. I was asking about > new releases...and anything else she wanted to tell me about. :) > > Here are some highlights. > > New Releases... > +8043 Plastikman To be released very soon. > (Or is this Plastique? huh?) > > Pro 23 Mark Gage Cusp > > Coming up... > > Defanda 18 coming up. > New Artist....Ian Poole. > PSI release. > > Also... > > -Richie is on the net. But email address is not availible etc. (which is > prolly the way he wants it. ;) > -Mark Gage is hiding out in his studio, after a very hard tour around Europe. > -John Aquaviva will be in various places in the next little while... > including London, Ontario (november 18) and Chile! > -in Febuary...John A. & Richie H. will be touring the U.S. to promote > Plastikman release. > -John A. to be at Destiny 7 in Toronto...a rare Toronto appearance :) > -Mute and Warp Records are being used in order to crack the elusive U.S. > market ("elusive" is my word) > > Someone please give me the FULL details on +8043..so either I or greg303 > can update! > > Please confirm or clarify Probe 23...is it Cusp by Mark Gage? > > Comments....suggestions.... > > jay > > ______________________________________________________________________________ > Jason W. King also @watserv1.uwaterloo.ca > jw2king@calum.uwaterloo.ca Wannabe Junglist BadBoy > U. of Waterloo - Env & Resource Studies "mayday, mayday, I'm goin' in..." From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 17:28:07 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA29925; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:27:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA22645; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:21:42 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:21:42 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: pmcgarty@rodin.helios.nd.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: peter mcgarty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: animating things X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ok here's kind of a random question, but... does anyone know of any good programs to do animation type things on either IBM or Mac. i'm interested in trying to conjured up a kind of video type thing just for the general pleasure of doing it and watching my own creation. oh, and it would be ok too if it was something on Sun's/unix/that type o' thing. much thanx mr.magoo From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 17:29:05 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA29952; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:28:40 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA22368; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:20:53 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:20:53 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: dacc@tigerden.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "D.A.C. Crowell" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: DACC's Accidental Tour of Iowa '94. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, that was interesting...I just got up after a _long_ night's sleep...very necessary...from doing what essentially amounted to an accidental tour of Iowa, of sorts. First event was in Cedar Rapids, Family Affair. Big-up to JP and kru for getting a _sooper_ vibe even in the face of failed laser gear and missing film loops; the sound in the dark was a wall of e-music _force_. DJs were excellent, with Sho, Josh Werner, and Juicy Fruit turning in some really memorable spinning. The beats were _hard_, the crowd was _seriously_ moving. My set there kinda sucked, though...looking back, I shouldn't have tried coming out of DJ Scott-E's set trying to match the 140+ BPM level we'd been at for most of the evening (it rarely ducked below that number from what I could tell). The end result was that the music "got out from under me", and it took the first 20-25 minutes or so trying to recoup the control over what was going on. The last hour, though, was up to snuff...total slo-mo, with some folks still on the floor doing molasses-style moves to the 40 BPM and down sound. Next night was in Grinnell at Tigger's net-rave-kinda-thang. This was a more laid-back party than FA, with a silly kinda vibe that permeated everything. _Good_ vibe, though...again...but one which resulted in some great damfoolishness like the GABBER DISCO KARAOKE SKATE PARTY set, perhaps one of the _stoopidest_ and funny things I've heard in a _long_ time. The segue that went from Toni Basil into some ultra-Rotterdamized shit like this: "Oh, Mickey...SHUT THA FUK UP!! <> etc" ..had me in convulsions! _This_ live set was much better, too. I was going in at 110 this time, and no time was lost playing catch-up. The house was soon _not_ jumping, the beats were _not_ pounding, and people were curling up with the subs and on the floor going _way_-deep into the drifty audio. After about 90 minutes, I looked up, and didn't see any one (the room was dark for the ambient set), but kept playing into the end of the last piece anyway. I got to the end, let the delay lines fade down to nothing (which took two minutes!), then peered over the top of the gear...and saw that everyone who'd stayed had fallen dead-asleep! I sneaked out, grabbed a coke, and sat back as people drifted back to consciousness. Too chilled-out? Naaah...:) Anyway, much thanks for this little excursion go to JP, Laura, Mingo and the rest of the Cedar Rapids kru, and to Tigger, Niall, Pixel and the St.Louisians for the sound over at Grinnell, as well as all the DJs and other folks who made these events work _so_ well, not just for me, but for the happy crowds who came for tha BASS and other delights. A really positive ride thru the cornfields, gang...makes me ready and hoppin' to do more PAs and find _other_ people to send to Sandman's Land...:) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\ "We have come to the edge of a world which D.A.C. Crowell |offers us the limits of the accessible, of the Audio Design and Programming |unpredictable; it must be possible for some- The Aerodyne Works |thing not of this world to find a way through, Champaign, IL, USA. |something that hitherto could not be found by dacc@tigerden.com |any radio station on this earth. Let us set <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>/ out to look for it!" --Karlheinz Stockhausen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 17:29:14 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA29961; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:28:52 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA23312; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:23:32 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:23:32 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: plastik@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Plus 8 Records To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: vinyl help X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Sun, 13 Nov 1994, Ed Luna wrote: > On Sun, 13 Nov 1994, Leigh H. Simmons wrote: > > > > how does one go about getting a couple of 12" pressed? i don't want to > > distribute... i just want a couple of copies for my personal use.... > > > i dunno too much about this stuff but i do know that most record press'rs > make prototype records called "dubplates." these are one-offs which cost > like $40-60 a piece and only last a few plays. these are used as the > master for cutting mass quantities. > anyone out there please feel free to correct this if need be... > ++ > e d > > hey leigh....*smooch* > If anyone is interested in cutting dubplates or acetates which are one off pressing which last about 40 plays you can contact RON at NATIONAL SOUND in Detroit and get more info @ 313-336-3800. If anyone is interested in getting bigger quantities pressed you can contact ACME Pressing in Toronto for more info @ 905-470-2937. Note, you can get 10" or 12" acetates made... if you just doing 2 tracks go for the 10". You can get good levels and have a nice sound piece of wax..... and it's cheaper than the 12". And if your on a budget you could put three 4 min. tracks on each side of the 12" acetate at quite a good level. R.Hawtin From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 17:39:16 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA00394; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:38:57 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA27429; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:35:58 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:35:58 -0600 Message-Id: <199411141733.MAA02918@london.physics.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sho@physics.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sho Kuwamoto To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: umm.. sorry X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Oops. Sorry about that multiple post. The first version didn't make it back to me, so I sent off a second (different) version. I didn't realize that the list was just.. um.... constipated. -Sho -- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm having for lunch! Sho Kuwamoto. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 17:49:42 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA00758; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:49:32 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA29731; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:43:58 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:43:58 -0600 Message-Id: <199411141743.JAA18916@taz.hyperreal.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: abennett@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Bennett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: home, iowa, and idle thoughts X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Sho Kuwamoto said :: > > The ideal party for me is something like AfterWorld. > Incredible DJs, good sound, and an intimate group of > dedicated people to share it with. OoOoOOOOoOohhhHHHHH! afterWorld. My head still spins thinking about that one. I'll add low-cost, nice place to the above. One of my favorite events. *sigh* Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 18:01:01 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA01037; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:59:58 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA02563; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:53:30 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:53:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199411141753.LAA02426@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: brujah@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Gaijin Kagemusha To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: WOODRUFF X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO honestly, I myself dislike it when silly people post messages like this, but I find it necessary to do so, under these circumstances.. KENNETH WOODRUFF, if you read this list (if you REMEBER), please, please respond... (maybe i'll even be able to give you your tape back) :) -- * HELL YES, I'M * * C H I N E S E * * (R. Bowman is not a big stud at the Milwaukee Art Center) * * homepage! "ftp://alpha2.csd.uwm.edu/pub/kagemusha/howdy.html" * From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 18:05:42 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA01201; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:05:33 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA20949; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:16:05 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 11:16:05 -0600 Message-Id: <199411141527.KAA02067@london.physics.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sho@physics.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sho Kuwamoto To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: iowa, home, and small vs. big parties X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I went to iowa this weekend. My housemate went to Home. A short review of iowa, and some thoughts about small vs. big parties. friday @ family affair: Friday was MrJP's party. It's nice to check out a new scene every once in a while. The crowd was mostly non-ravers, but there were some dedicated kids who came up to me and talked about parties they have in the planning stages, asked questions about where to buy records, etc. etc. These guys are trying to start a scene where none exists.. I think that's great. saturday @ tigger's: I had a wonderful time. I love you guys. I got to meet mouse, dac, wally, crisko (actually met him on friday).. you guys are great!. The rest of you who I already know... well... you guys stink! Ha ha.. just kidding.. you guys are great too. Hilight of the evening was jen and jong's disco/gabber tag team... woowoo!! small vs. big parties: I really think each has its place. Small parties like tigger's are wonderful in that it gives us a chance to spend time with each other in a way that's not possible at a big party. I had a great time this weekend. However, I wouldn't be happy if small parties like this one were the ONLY kind of party I went to. Same with big parties. Although it seems like Home had its share of problems, I have been to some big parties that were killa. There's nothing like dancing to Richie or Robert Armani or whoever along with 2000 other raving lunatics. However, I wouldn't be happy if big parties were the ONLY kind of party I went to. Small parties typically don't have the best sound or the best lineup, but allow us to get to know one another and bond. Big parties give us great sound and great DJs the shared experience that makes us want to bond in the first place, but it's easy to get lost in the crowd. Let's try not to lose sight of the merits of each. In my mind, the perfect party is a small (100-250ish) group of dedicated kids, along with great sound and killer DJs.. Kind of like AfterWorld. :) -Sho -- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm having for lunch! Sho Kuwamoto. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 18:18:38 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA01562; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:18:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA07348; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:13:08 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:13:08 -0600 Message-Id: <9411141811.AA114505@student5.cl.msu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: macqueen@student.msu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Matthew S Macqueen" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: animating things X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > > ok here's kind of a random question, but... > does anyone know of any good programs to do animation type things on > either IBM or Mac. i'm interested in trying to conjured up a kind of > video type thing just for the general pleasure of doing it and watching > my own creation. oh, and it would be ok too if it was something on > Sun's/unix/that type o' thing. > much thanx > mr.magoo > Before I begin let me say that my experience is soley 100% Macintosh. OK. I use MacroMedia's Director 4.0 for the stuff I program here at work. I like it a lot, it's time based, not event based, which can be a bitch sometimes. They even have a little "real-time" drag and record animation setting. as far as printing a Director "Movie" to video, usually going from the excellent hi-res screens to crappy old NTSC video is a big letdown for me, I hate to see good work get degraded :) Once out of sheer boredom I created a little Plastikman-logo screen saver, using Director 4.0. It only took a couple of hours, I thought the tutorial that comes with the software was mighty boring. In one afternoon I had the little Plastik-guy floating around the screen and spinning around, changing colors a bit. I was going to add some audio from that funny little sample-thing at the end of the DIMENSION INTRUSION, like "we play live, we don't play off tape..." and Richie laughing and stuff. But alas, the grindstone called. I was going to send off a floppy to the Plus 8 folks, but after I saw the quality of their videography and animation at Spastik I was pretty intimidated. :) That stuff was top-notch, I'd ventuere to say that some Silicon Graphics hardware was used... can anyone confirm this? If anyone at Plus 8 is reading this, feel free to contact me directly if you're interested in something like this (for free to internet users, of course) and I'll make it a serious pet-project. But we just got a Silicon Graphics ONYX "reality engine" on loan here for a month or so, the potential for real-time 3-D modeling and animations now are endless. :) good luck, Matt MacQueen macqueen@student.msu.edu (517) 333-3560 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 18:20:36 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA01611; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:20:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA06828; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:11:13 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:11:13 -0600 Message-Id: <199411141810.MAA06628@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: brujah@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Gaijin Kagemusha To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: milwacky X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Man, he's fulla shit... -- * HELL YES, I'M * * C H I N E S E * * (R. Bowman is not a big stud at the Milwaukee Art Center) * * homepage! "ftp://alpha2.csd.uwm.edu/pub/kagemusha/howdy.html" * From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 19:00:17 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA02762; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:59:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA17234; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:56:03 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:56:03 -0600 Message-Id: <9411141854.AA64407@student2.cl.msu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: gorellka@student.msu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Katherine Gwynn Gorell" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: uk raves list? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I was wondering if there's a uk list, because I can;t get a hold of my friend who lives in manchester...lost his address and his phone # is unlisted... and i think that he'd be on that list if there is one...help?! thanx in advance for ant help.... :) ;* kaytee (lonesome nerraver "chicK"?) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 19:32:12 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA03575; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:31:58 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA22850; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:20:10 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:20:10 -0600 Message-Id: <14NOV94.15333447.0059.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MKAMMERE@NMU.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Kammerer, Mark J" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: milwacky X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO In reply to Matt Mott Massive's excellent post, >It seems, almost, that fifty years ago or so- they saw it coming. "my >god, the way things are going, they youth of the nineties are going to >tire from the same old meat market clubbing rut and take to the >underground, throwing parties on their own accord and listening to their >own music Y It's weird. It's like they encourage alcoholic beer binges--just look at all the budweiser commercials and I've never seen a tailgate party having to hide in a warehouse and the way that the media just loved the "grunge" movement which was a bunch of longhairs getting sloshed-- but base a party on self-expression and self-empowerment and the cops start unbuckling their holster guards. I think it is because they see that we aren't going to go take our places on the treadmill the day after having our minds expanded and our souls bonded in a holy tekno union of the spiritual groupmind. We gotta be doing something right, though, if the Assholes who have led society down a blind alley are shaking in their jack boots. >Has anybody here enjoyed a nice, thorough FRISK from a cop of the opp? I have never personnally had the pleasure of being shook down by a cop from the other side of the camp but once I did get frisked by a big weightlifter type guy and even though I'm strictly hetero it felt kinda good. Like a nice deep massage. Now he stopped short of a cavity search and I think that woulda been a little too much even for my open minded self. I had a friend once who prepared for such an occasion by shoving a little note up his ass that read, "Your wife likes it here too..." > you know, that whole "Hippies make cops : Cops ma ke >Hippies" thing. Don't let those fuckers get you down. Fight that >ticket; tell them what you think; do what ever you PEACEFULLY can to make >your point that you won't put up with their SHIT. I have learned over the years that the cops play a very simple game with simple rules--the old "Cops and Robbers" thing. If you can avoid turning on that circuit--that is, taking on the role of their adversary, you can slip right under their archaic radar. Don't act shifty. Don't attract them. And if they are bugging you stare them in the face and remind them that we are all human beings. Don't let them pull you down into their fucked up world. >Small parties 10-500 are where it is at. For two weekends in a row I >have opted for small or rural parties instead of some bigtown glut. >Peole out in the middle of nowhere PARTY HARD. Big ups to everyone >piecing together the parties in Iowa, Mid-State Illinois and Indiana, and >northern Wisconsin. Sometimes it just seems like it is all about space. If we move out into places in the country where nobody is in anybody elses face there aren't any problems. Unfortunately it seems like some people think the inner city is the entire universe and will not venture out into frontier land where a man is a man or was it the other way around? >Someone please respond to this- I wrack my mind to say something that >makes a difference whenever i post (with the exception of the PWEI >thing), and no one ever says 'Yeah, that's cool.. and I think...' or >'Man, he's fulla shit...' etc. Usually your writing is so good that I don't think to tell you--if that makes any sense... One more thing, in my review of Rustic that was lifted from my net post and printed in Massive 7, I said, "The dj's that did show--Jedidiah, Efex, Mindrive, Tripper Info. Systems and a few others whose names I cannot fucking remember shook the woods with a deadly mind altering groove..." Well, I rememberred one more: Kenny Jammin' Gino Kenny Jammin' Gino Kenny Jammin' Gino... and he is the man with the f a t tracks... Peace, love, and please feel free to groove me, Mark Josef The Brain Pharm sez "Get down on the farm..." From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 19:48:54 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA03908; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:48:39 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA28994; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:44:05 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:44:05 -0600 Message-Id: <9411141942.AA44353@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: smmcfar@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: smmcfar@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Shannon M. Mcfarland) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: IOWA!!!! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hello everyone!!! mad, crazy hi's to my boy SHAWN!!!! Yes this is another IOWA review!!! deal with it!=) First let me say thank you to jen and sho for getting the purdue crew to I.S.U then going out to IOWA!!! thank you!!!! Next let ne say thank you to Anthony and niall for throwing me one great birthday party!!!!! you guys rock!!!! For all of you who did not attend this party you missed out!!! the music rocked (from what i heard of it, i was to busy discussing ART!!!!=)) the people there were rad!!! and of course teh family was back together again!!!! And i think with how stressful everything has been lately we all need our family around!!! I would like to thank melissa for onr great talk!!!! BONDING IS GREAT!!!!! To my other YUMMY TWIN, are ya glowin' baby??? because i still am. ART will do that to ya!!!!! To steven for being one great role mode and parental unit!!! sorry i missed your set, but the ART at grinnell was just so RAD!!!! To everyone at grinnell for jusr being awesome and letting us bring our crazt familyy to your town!!! ANTHONY BEST FRIENDS FOR HOW MANY YEARS????? THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING!!!!! MY PARTY KICK ASS!!! Niall thanks for throwing me the best birthday party ever!! Sho you send me to another world when you spin!! you just rock what more can i say!!!! and last but not least, to my boy SHAWN!!!! baby, I LOVE YOUR NEW MAJOR!!!! ART anyone???? YOU ROCK MY WORLD and then some!!! thank you for an awesome weekend!!! baby if you could only see me smiling!!!!=) I LOVE YOU!!!!! *PEACE AND LOVE TO YOU ALL* shannon the funkee diva!!! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 20:01:42 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA04230; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:01:33 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA01606; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:53:58 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:53:58 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Liquid Love... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Sat, 12 Nov 1994, Eric Thiel wrote: > Well...I know it is a little early, but...Everyone should come up > to liquid love, in my own city!!! THis is one NOT to miss. We have > had several smaller parties compliments of Network 10, and this > should be just as eXcellent... > > Let me know if anyone is planning to > come, I will see about a possible pre-meeting spot. Worst-case > scenario, you all can come and meet my mom... &8-O > ...-=Itheo=-... > > appleton? i havent heard of parties there since the winter of 93! wow! those were fun...i might just have to go back...when did you say it was? gretchen e blount From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 20:08:54 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA04365; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:08:38 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA03345; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:59:49 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:59:49 -0600 Message-Id: <9411141958.AA15859@aufs1.cs.wisc.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: temmesen@aufs1.cs.wisc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: temmesen@aufs1.cs.wisc.edu (temmesen) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: home... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO well, I really dont want to rip on this party too badly because I had a ok time. Yes though, mad shit was fucked up with it though. Aside from what you already heard, there were a number of fights outside and someone supposedly got stabbed. yes there were plenty that was fucked. Anyone mention that the afterparty got busted too? At about 10 in the morning. A friend needed a drink so we went to the grosery store to get something (by-the-by, never get juice sold in a pickle jar). When we got back about 2 minuts later, eight squad cars had the place surounded. They were checking everyone and there was crazy shit to get cought with there, I just hope everyone was smart enough to get rid of it proper. My heart goes out to all that had to go through the bull shit of fri.night and sat.night and sun.morn I heard that both times (mil and chi) the cops busted in, Glocks all drawn and in your face. What is that all about?!? Besides the fact that we all think that guns are cool and we all bring our to all the parties to show off to our friends, is it really nessisary to come in that way and freak the shit out of everyone? If they were all just chill about it then we would have different respect for them, no? I've got an idea, anyone who smiles should just be shot on sight. -chris And another; Did they take care of the tripping dog? That was a pretty foul situation too. poor thing... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 20:15:57 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA04547; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:15:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA05634; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:07:36 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:07:36 -0600 Message-Id: <9411141959.AA20071@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aw975794@oak.cats.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Amy Waldowski To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: home, iowa, and idle thoughts X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hi there, andrew! its me, amy, the girl that crazy becca girl brought over the other day to your house. i just thought i would say hi and that it was a pleasure to meet you. i had heard a lot about you from becca, so it was nice to see the person she is always gabbing about! :) i am sure i will see you again, though i doubt anytime soon, with becca going clear across the world and all. but, you are coming to ATTRACTION, right? you better! it is going to be a lot of fun if becca and i ever get around to actually planning the thing out! have fun and i will talk to you soon! later alligator! -amy From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 20:44:02 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA05282; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:43:37 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA13620; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:39:28 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 14:39:28 -0600 Message-Id: <9411142106.AA02844@blackhawks.d2.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: fixer@d2.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: fixer@d2.com (Robert Smith) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: animating things X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Reprinted without permission from: Matthew S Macqueen }the grindstone called. I was going to send off a floppy to the Plus 8 folks, }but after I saw the quality of their videography and animation at Spastik I was }pretty intimidated. :) That stuff was top-notch, I'd ventuere to say that }some Silicon Graphics hardware was used... can anyone confirm this? The machines used for display were just pc's with NTSC video output cards and a video switcher. Supposedly, he used Alias and an SGI Indy to create and render some frames. } }But we just got a Silicon Graphics ONYX "reality engine" on loan here for a }month or so, the potential for real-time 3-D modeling and animations now are }endless. :) } Onyx's are cool. You can find limitations, though. You need about 256M of RAM to do hi-res, not to mention the huge amount of disk space needed to render in hi-res 3d. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ fixer@d2.com is Robert Smith Digital Domain phone: 310/314-2920 300 Rose Avenue fax: 310/314-2866 Venice, CA 90291 _____________________________________________________________________________ "I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of gum" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 21:56:03 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA06943; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:55:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA28196; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:50:07 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:50:07 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: home... (fwd)\ X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Forwarded message: > From: temmesen@aufs1.cs.wisc.edu (temmesen) > > And another; Did they take care of the tripping dog? That was a > pretty foul situation too. poor thing... Tripping dog?!?!? What the hell is *that* all about? If this is true, that person should be force-fed acid until their brain melts. - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 21:59:37 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA07019; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:59:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA29377; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:54:21 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:54:21 -0600 Message-Id: <14NOV94.17111773.0039.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MKAMMERE@NMU.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Kammerer, Mark J" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: kinda like... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > (I'm sick of the drug posts...) d Not to single out this particular post or anything (really, I do appreciate your contribution) BUT I'm really sick of kids telling me how they are sick of drug posts (as if subjective descriptions of how "rad" the dj's were and how many net ravers they hugged just thrill the pants off me). You see, this is very serious business and such comments really promote ignorance. For instance, after the overdose instance at Interstellar Outback there were all kinds of "drug posts" because we needed to discuss the issue from all sides--that includes pro and con. Because you know we can't depend on the information we get from D.A.R.E. we have to depend on each other. This isn't about Just Say No, it is about let's get together and figure out just what the hell is going on so we can get on top of this thing instead of it getting on top of us. Thankyou, Mark J P.S. and again, I don't mean to pick on you-especially with your being new to this group-but rather I want to point out a troubling current that I've been seeing alot of lately. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 22:05:04 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA07213; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:04:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA01563; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:01:33 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:01:33 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: lpawl@engin.umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: lpawl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ANN ARbor party sat. night...\ X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO so, who made it to ann arbor for the r. hawtin/tim baker party? real small space, which was sooo cool. nice for a change. cops came when armani's "fire alarm" was playing! how appropriate. :) again, real nice to find a small party with a big groove. ann arbor scene is getting cool. gotta figure out how to avoid getting busted all the time, tho. jason (aka george) wcbn-fm radio fuck you ann arbor 88.3, outerspace. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 22:28:46 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA07865; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:28:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA06550; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:23:45 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:23:45 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MiCKeY HoNMyHR To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Acidic Pyramid krash space X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO four of us (possibly 5) are heading down to chicago this weekend. is there anyone who can offer us a floor to crash on for a few hours sat night/sun morn before heading back? please let me know. thank ya thank ya thank ya love ya oodles and oodles mouse ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- M I C K E Y H O N M Y H R "i am still all covered in rave- even after a shower" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 22:36:01 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA08075; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:35:39 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA07245; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:26:49 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:26:49 -0600 Message-Id: <199411142225.RAA20467@sirius.engin.umich.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ndc@engin.umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: SPeCiMeN To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ANN ARbor party sat. night...\ X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO lpawl writes: >so, who made it to ann arbor for the r. hawtin/tim baker party? >real small space, which was sooo cool. nice for a change. definitely. there's something about having a bassbin/stack that is like six feet tall inside of a living room. i thought the vibe and shit was kool too.. free galaga etc. also an excellent bonus.. peace, andY From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 22:53:47 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA08501; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:53:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA11583; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:44:30 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 16:44:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199411142244.RAA09552@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rebecca Jill Maslow To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Utopia: an elf's view X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ok, i'm not gonna say much about the actual party because i believe Devin, Doc, and Todd said it all. the party was AWESOME! i think amy and i travelled the farthest for this party, but it was definately worth it. i was soooooooo happy to see devin and pat and mike and jen and mark and kyle and chuck and jay and meet todd and doc and sunshine and jim! and i got to wake david up! that was fun. anyway, oh, kyle! i love your house, it is so neat!!!! anyway, thank you all so much for giving me an awesome party to remember when i am in Spain. and thank you all for being so cool to amy, she wil definately be returning with me out to indiana again. also, don't forget Attraction in January out here in athens, oh!. i saw jen hill comment on the smaller net.raver gatherings. girl! this is it! anyway, i'm off. i don't think i forgot to mention anyone, but if i did, sorry. i'm sick...no voice...exam week... anyway, pat...get hakan on the net...NOW! ok, i love you all. seeya in january! *huG* *kiSs* -becca From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 23:08:57 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA08809; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:08:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA16064; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:05:08 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:05:08 -0600 Message-Id: <9411142304.AA10515@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: kiwi@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: kiwi@expert.cc.purdue.edu (-==Kiwi==-) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Kiwi goes HOME X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Oh boy, where do I start . . . Friday night I went to Utopia in Bloomington. One word: Billebob. He was incredible. Saturday, still sore from dancing, I went to HOME. We got there at 12:20, got in at 2:30. The way they let people in was really fucked. I tripped on 5 hits of this blue acid for $5 when I got in. I became mind pudding and layed on the speakers in the main room until the music stopped. I had an incredible time. I never knew music could feel _so_ good. I was wearing my green "Petro's Tire Sales and Service" shirt and yellow pants for those who were there. Thank goodness there was a friend of mine there who took care of me. I didn't have a clue about the place getting busted or anything. We got something to eat and went to the afterhours. I really liked the afterhours. About 9:30, I decided it was time to bolt. Boy, I missed getting busted twice. That's were my luck ran out . . . When I saw the guy who drove me from Purdue when I was ready to go he was seriously fucked. I think, and have strong evidence to believe, that he did cocaine. We got back to the college we parked at downtown, UofI I think, and got in the car. He could barely drive. We got out on the highway and I freaked. I put my foot on the brake and told him to let me out. We pulled over and I kept asking him what else he had taken. He wouldn't tell me so I got pissed and slapped him and left. I had to walk all the way from that college to where Nate lived because I had no money and no id. I couldn't make a collect call to where I lived because it's a payphone. So, I ended up walking a huge part of Lake Shore Drive, tripping, and freaking. I really owe a lot to Nate for taking such good care of me. I don't think I could ever repay him. THANK YOU! I called my friend and he came picked me up. Unfortunatly, the guy who left me made it home alright. He was in no condition to drive. I busted in to his house and told him what a pathetic piece of shit he was. I made him pay my friend for hours lost and gas. He is _very_ lucky that I didn't beat the living fuck out him. I got my stuff and told him I never wanted to see him again. That was my weekend. Love, kiwi Pd: Sorry it's so long. -- Stephen Roberts | Purdue University | Drugs against war. Philosopher | From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 23:22:49 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA09104; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:22:18 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA19112; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:18:48 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:18:48 -0600 Message-Id: <9411142317.AA33816@student2.cl.msu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: gorellka@student.msu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Katherine Gwynn Gorell" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: +8? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO does anyone know an e-mail address for +8? I want to talk to them about doing an interview for my zine... thanks... :* kaytee From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 23:30:46 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA09317; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:30:08 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA20772; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:26:28 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:26:28 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: random X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO everytime i log in to my cyborganic account i get a silly little message. just now i got this one and i can't quite figure it out. any guesses? ellen _ _ / \ o / \ | | o o o | | | | _ o o o o | \_| | / \ o o o \__ | | | o o | | | | ______ ~~~~ _____ | |__/ | / ___--\\ ~~~ __/_____\__ | ___/ / \--\\ \\ \ ___ <__ x x __\ | | / /\\ \\ )) \ ( " ) | | -------(---->>(@)--(@)-------\----------< >----------- | | // | | //__________ / \ ____) (___ \\ | | // __|_| ( --------- ) //// ______ /////\ \\ // | ( \ ______ / <<<< <>-----<<<<< / \\ // ( ) / / \` \__ \\ //-------------------------------------------------------------\\ Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels start closing in, the only cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas ... with the music at top volume and at least a pint of ether. -- H.S. Thompson, "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" what the heck are those things? a cow and a spider? i am baffled l8r From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 14 23:57:02 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA09992; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:56:37 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA26202; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:52:51 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 17:52:51 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: kburress@ucs.indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: kyle burress To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ......Utopia...... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ......on friday night i was at a party called utopia. My best friend threw it. I had been dying for it. It was everything i had hoped for. I had an increadible time! About half way through the night i was dancing on the speaker(imagine that) and i looked up. In the thick dust resting in the bass bin....the letters P L U R had been written. I almost cried. I was soooooo happy! The vibe was increadible. These parties will only get better! If you didnt make it, i hope you do for the future ones......we've got a few (big,phat sooper rad) surprises in store! Believe in love, unity, friendship and the power of small stripped down, "bare essential's" wharehouse parties built on VIBE! oh yeah......and believe in aliens to! they are there! -peace and hugs- *spaceboy* From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 00:16:34 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA10406; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:16:15 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA00623; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:12:38 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:12:38 -0600 Message-Id: <14NOV94.19657405.0043.MUSIC@MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BACIKJ@MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Bacik, John" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE:uk-raves X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO In respose to yr wundering about UK RAVES: I believe It's listserv@tqmcomms.co.uk with subscribe & yr name and the address for the board is uk-dance@tqcomms.co.uk! \~~~~ ~~~/ (O) (O) ( . , ) {} From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 00:20:17 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA10461; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:20:02 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA01385; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:16:39 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:16:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199411150015.SAA01173@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: JL7942%CMSUVMB.bitnet@vm42.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: JL7942%CMSUVMB.bitnet@vm42.cso.uiuc.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: kinda like... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO it wasn't the content, per se, of the drug posts, it was the quantity.. I know they help, and I know we need it, but it was like I was reading the same thing over and over again... I read basically all of the first few days of posts, but after that, it felt like the same thing was being killed over and over again, and it seemed useless to read ny more posts... I know, I could have missed an important piece of reading, but I just didn't feel like sifting through the whole heap... but, I will say that I liked what one person said... he said, if you do drugs, that's your choice, more power to ya... if you don't do drugs, that's your choice, more power to ya... but don't force your opinion on someone else... when there are people around that do pot (like my old roommate), I just let him do it... it's his choice . I personally think it's a bad choice, but I never said anything about it, and thats my opinion... I never forced it, I didn't even bust him... (I was going to, but then he stopped doing it in the room... and I never saw the stuff on him or in the room again... and I moved out last week, so I probably won't see it again... but, again, it was the quantity, and the fact that it felt like overkill, not the quantity... I do agree, this thing needs to be worked out... just right now it seems like we're not getting anywhere... either that, or I don't notice that we are... :) hugs to ya, net.ravers!!! thanks for the time, too... :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- WALDO/ED/JEREMY LEPEL | WHEN IN NEED OF SPAM, CALL ON YOUR YAKSMAN... ONE OF THE FINAL FEW | FELLOW FRIENDS, FOR ANY REAL FRIEND JL7942@CMSUVMB.CMSU.EDU | SHOULD HAVE A CABINET FULL OF IT! --------------------------------------------------------------------- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 00:23:28 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA10508; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:23:15 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA01899; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:19:23 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:19:23 -0600 Message-Id: <14NOV94.19762455.0043.MUSIC@MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BACIKJ@MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Bacik, John" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ? @ a book X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hello : Just wunering if anyone knows of a place in the midwest(a store or mail order catalog) that has books by Terrence McKenna. If anyone does puh-leese lt me know- it would be highly appreiciated! luf jax From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 00:35:51 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA10817; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:35:25 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA04639; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:32:36 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:32:36 -0600 Message-Id: <14NOV94.20010750.0043.MUSIC@MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BACIKJ@MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Bacik, John" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re[3]: prozac X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >> >>i am just womdering what you all think about it. good? bad? addictive? >>government plot? let me know. thanks. >> >>l8r >> >>ellen > >I've never tried it but have been close to alot of people that have. >I think it is a big scam and I think it is very toxic. One friend >of mine was on it and didn't seem to be experiencing any change in >mood and when she told her doctor he doubled the prescription to >two a day instead of one and she still didn't feel anything but he >kept telling her she had to take it. That was a sixty dollar a month >prescription by the way. Then she quit taking it and felt exactly the >same. I don't think the people who subscribe prozac know about how >good it makes you feel to dance all night to mega-bass beats on or off >of A & E. > >Mark Josef I was on prazac a few years back and have absolutely nuthing positive to say about it. It does weird things like give you the shakes and make life really intense- I could hardly shave because of my lack of ability to concentrate; plus I'd have the most bizarre nightmares since I was a child. They're expensive and just another plot conjured up by the pharmacy companies(upjohn and the like). Now U know! -J.Bacik From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 00:45:38 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA10975; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:45:10 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA06634; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:41:26 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 18:41:26 -0600 Message-Id: <199411150040.SAA06379@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: brujah@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Gaijin Kagemusha To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: random X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >everytime i log in to my cyborganic account i get a silly little message. >just now i got this one and i can't quite figure it out. any guesses? > >ellen > > _ > _ / \ o > / \ | | o o o > | | | | _ o o o o > | \_| | / \ o o o > \__ | | | o o > | | | | ______ ~~~~ _____ > | |__/ | / ___--\\ ~~~ __/_____\__ > | ___/ / \--\\ \\ \ ___ <__ x x __\ > | | / /\\ \\ )) \ ( " ) > | | -------(---->>(@)--(@)-------\----------< >----------- > | | // | | //__________ / \ ____) (___ \\ > | | // __|_| ( --------- ) //// ______ /////\ \\ > // | ( \ ______ / <<<< <>-----<<<<< / \\ > // ( ) / / \` \__ \\ > //-------------------------------------------------------------\\ > >Every now and then when your life gets complicated and the weasels >start closing in, the only cure is to load up on heinous chemicals and >then drive like a bastard from Hollywood to Las Vegas ... with the >music at top volume and at least a pint of ether. > -- H.S. Thompson, "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" > > >what the heck are those things? a cow and a spider? i am baffled > >l8r It's two drugged-up guys in a convertible. The guy on the right is driving (he's wearing a hat), the guy on the left has a real big head... -- * HELL YES, I'M * * C H I N E S E * * (R. Bowman is not a big stud at the Milwaukee Art Center) * * homepage! "ftp://alpha2.csd.uwm.edu/pub/kagemusha/howdy.html" * From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 01:22:04 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA11838; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 20:21:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA13859; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:18:28 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:18:28 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: dacc@tigerden.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "D.A.C. Crowell" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: vinyl help X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 14 Nov 1994, lpawl wrote: > you can get an acetate "laquer" from national sound in detroit > for 35-50 bucks. its a 10" for that price though. > i know a few people who have done this. > cheap, huh? Much so! The prices I quoted were ones I remembered from having lacquers done in Nashville at Masterfonics back in the early 80s. Obviously with the decline in interest in the industry in vinyl, the cost of firing up a lathe has gone down a tad! :) <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\ "We have come to the edge of a world which D.A.C. Crowell |offers us the limits of the accessible, of the Audio Design and Programming |unpredictable; it must be possible for some- The Aerodyne Works |thing not of this world to find a way through, Champaign, IL, USA. |something that hitherto could not be found by dacc@tigerden.com |any radio station on this earth. Let us set <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>/ out to look for it!" --Karlheinz Stockhausen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 01:33:33 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA12171; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 20:33:12 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA16003; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:30:04 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:30:04 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jjhelton@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: doc To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: INDY X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO HEY KIDS... ...for those of you who don't know know there is something goin' on every saturday night in Indianapolis IN. NOCTURNA is a stripped-down, underground party that happens on saturday nights. There have been some really rad people stoppin' by the joint. Most recent was the appearence of DJ SUPER DIMITRY of DEEE-LITE and JAJO(st. louis). DJ's regularly appearing:DAVID HOLLANDS(INDY) CYBERJIVE(BLOOMINGTON) MIKE BRYANT(MUNCIE) MIKE SCRHOFF(INDY) JASON B(INDY) DOC(ORLANDO FL/BLOOMINGTON IN) TRIPTONITE(HAWAII/BLOOMINGTON IN) APPEARING THIS WEEK########################################################## ASTROBOY(st.louis) MIKE BRYANT(muncie) DOC(orlando fl/bloomington in) TRIPTONITE(hawaii/bloomington in) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 01:42:26 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA12389; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 20:42:04 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA18182; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:39:04 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:39:04 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jjhelton@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: doc To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ASTROBOY(nov 19)indy X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO NOCTURNA 720 N COLLEGE AVE ************************* NOV 19 ************************* DJ'S: ASTROBOY(st. louis) MIKE BRYANT(indy) DOC(orlando fl) TRIPTONITE(hawaii) ************************* TIME: 10 til' ? ************************* INFO: 317.895.4546 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 01:45:53 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA12482; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 20:45:32 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA18929; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:41:56 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:41:56 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jjhelton@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: doc To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: BILLEEBOB(dec 3)indy X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO BILLEEBOB will be in indy at nocturna on dec. 3 (more details later) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 02:14:22 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA13107; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 21:13:54 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA24907; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 20:10:50 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 20:10:50 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: random X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO thanks for the guesses of that wacked out picture:) i still haven't decided what i think yet but whatever they are they are wacked out:) i hope to see some of you at alien love this weekend! sorry this post is so boring its just that i was gonna just send a private message back to someone not noticing that it would be cc to the list and then it was too late. have a groovy week. l8r ellen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 02:18:18 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA13240; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 21:17:55 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA25935; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 20:15:02 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 20:15:02 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJHF988AKY8WW8LX@jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: rlk@intrepid.chm.jhu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: rlk@intrepid.chm.jhu.edu (rlk) To: Multiple recipients of list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I guess nobody else caught this this weekend (or didn't feel like saying anyhting about it) Theres a show on Fox here Sat. afternoons called 'renegade' starring some big hunky long-haired biker type 'accused of a crime he didn't commit' who evidently rides his harly around running from crooked cops and righting wrongs. This weeks wrong was raves! I stopped on this while channel surfing because the 'rave scene' grabbed my attention. A large group of twenty somethings whom all looked sorta like biker types (women w/ *BIG* hair, wearing ripped-up acid washed jeans w/ black spandex underneath; men all muscly and tall, wearing jeans, boots and no shirts all w/ long hair, several w/ mustaches or eyepatches) jumping up and down most ungracefully to pseudo-techno music in a nice suburban house with the words 'rave on' spraypainted in black on the wall. One of the woman didn't realize the PUNCH WAS SPIKED WITH ECSTACY and overdosed, having a brain hemmorage and going into a coma. (Her symptems when she was 'high' strangely resembled those of someone whom drank too much.) Skipping the unrelated plot elements, rico roughneck or whatever his name is (the renegade) had to stop these rave thingies, so he hangs out at a local heavy metal club leering at the woman passing by until one of them stops to talk to him. He pumps for directions to a place he can 'dance all night' so she tells him where tonights mappoint is. The raves is at the same house it was at before but when renegade gets there the seedy promoters don't like the way he looks so they ATTACK HIM WITH BASEBALL BATS AND STICK HIS UNCONSCIOUS BODY IN A CLOSET. He doesn't wake until the party is way over and walks around the cleaned house in the morning rubbing his head. This is getting long, but in the end renegade captured mr. seedy promoter but seedy promoter's dad turns out to be the crooked cop kingpin, so he gets away and the show ends, as it should, in a prolonged car/bike chase w/ lots'o flying bullets. Sorry this is so long, but I had to do it justice. This kind of stuff pisses me off :( peace, ron From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 02:21:00 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA13375; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 21:20:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA26675; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 20:17:51 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 20:17:51 -0600 Message-Id: <9411150214.AA08961@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Shawn DeVries) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: breaks/import info X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Ok, I need some info.... I'm looking for a place I can mail order UK Imports (Jungle, stuff like Suburban Base, etc.) I ask people but with negative response. The address I got for the breaks mailing list was wrong, so if anyone (ie. Brad :) could mail that or whatever....rad Thanks.....time to go to the bank and take out another loan for the Imports.....damn shawn ______________________________________________________________________________ misfit-baloo-------shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu-------Shawn M. DeVries we are all in the same family Purdue University's proud representative of the Raving Engineers ______________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 02:40:53 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA13784; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 21:40:14 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA00326; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 20:36:52 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 20:36:52 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJHDWT2DVM8Y687J@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CAMMARAT@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: eye uh wah X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO fuck me with a chainsaw. I think I managed 6 hours of sleep this entire weekend, but I just want to say, that according to Henry ROllins and I, sleep deprivation makes everything look very NEAT! Anyway, on to the weekend.... I did Family Affair. I had fun, but I was really tired, couldn't dance that much, was REALLY tired, got to see Gretchen, JP, Laura, and everyone else, then it was time to go home to Grinnell. We got to Grinnell at 3:30 (we being Niall, Shawn, Shannon, Kristen, and I); I went to bed. I was awakened at 5:21am by the entrance into my dorm room (lucky I gave those kids the key) of Sho, Jen Hill, Jon G, JAson and Matt. After falling back asleep again, I got up at 8:23 and went to the PEC where I promptly heated my shoulder and waited for my event in the Grinnell Swim Teams time trials, that were held saturday morning....I swam a fifty in 35.29 seconds, not bad for only having swam competively for 15 days, COMPOUNDED by my fucked up rotator cuff...but I am rambling.... Grinnell continually suprises me. I was shocked to shit that PEOPLE WERE REALLY DANCING!!! The vibe at this party WAS HUGE! I was shocked, it was great I loved it....thanks to all that drove their little hiney's off (and some big hineys..SHAWN) to get to the middle of nowhere for another force/TBI party.... ups for me: 1) Sho...all day he helped me stay mellow in the face of adversaty (WHERE THE HELL IS MY SOUND!?!?!? WHY DIDN'T THEY CALL!?!?!!) With- out you, I probably wouldve killed someone, or broken something, or had a heart attack or something... ...oh yeah, and his set was the best one I have EVER HEARD!! PEople hear LOVE the way you do the thing you do (my roomate seth was amazed at how seamless you made the entire thing...and so was just about everyone else...) 2) S^2 and J^2 desicion to become art majors...I'm so glad you guys are painting and sculpting each other. 3) Steven J's intro....wow...my roomate seth ALSO loved your really spacey two songs as the lead in...I did too, It kicked MY ass 4) Misfit...you da man, my old skool skate homey and my nu skool raver pal helped me make the DPN a reality in Iowa 5) Shannon...need I say more? 6) Disco Gabber Rollerrink radness...uh, You guys are soooo cute, and your set was SOOO fun!!! I love it, and you better belive that you will be at my next event! 7) The St. Louis Cru'...thank god they finally got here, and in one piece too.... 8) DACC....dude, I didn't even know where the hell I was when you, Sho, and Mickey woke me up...that is how rad you are!! (I want a copy of one of your sets, esp. the sandman thingy...) 9) Wally...all I have to say is that during sunday dinner, people kept asking me where the aliens landed...I guess you did a good job :) 10) Niall...even though you are a potato eating bastard, I think you and I make a pretty rad team :) :) ;) :p 11) Ramylson...I'm glad you and Ryan and Keokee made it down, and I LOVED your set...let's play Bumblin Ball soccer again soon :) 12) Melissa...your just SO rad 13) Mickey...you freak! I love you SOOOO much!!! N. Dakota to Iowa? Twice in a semster??? wow...that there is COMITMENT GRRLFRIEND!!! 14) to everyone else, thanks for coming...I loved it, I love you, you made this event extra special for me... I haven't heard a negative thing about my party from ANYONE who went, but there were the libertine feminist lesbians on third floor who wanted me to turn it off (It's like, MY BED IS SHAKING!!! [I talked to her roomate, and SHE said SHE couldn't hear it]). Currently, they are soliciting complaints about my party in the dorms and are trying to get me in some sort of trouble..I'll keep you posted.. Look for another force/TBI event in late Febuary...this time we are trying for an off campus space, so I don't have to deal with dorm shit no more. Oh, the Resident Life Coordinator thought the lights were "neat." this had turned into something HUGE and I apologize, but once again, I want to say thankyou...Thanks for letting me throw something this rad, thanks for your help, thanks for your enthusiasm, thanks for your support, and thanks for your love.... peace. Tigger force Productions Bringing the underground to a suburb near you p.s....was that Richie Hawtin on the list? Wow. Hey, Mr. Hawtin, do you wanna do a free party in Iowa in late febuary? p.p.s....the drug thing: I'm kinda tired of mw-raves being alt. drug BUT it is important...just be careful out there, okay AND SAY NO TO HEROIN!!!!!!!!! p.p.p.s....if ANYONE is driving through Iowa to go to Teknosaurus, please get a hold of me, thanks... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 03:12:00 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA14419; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:11:29 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA05787; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 21:07:44 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 21:07:44 -0600 Message-Id: <199411150308.AA04829@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aa2243@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: aa2243@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu (John Kohlstrand) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: strange cyberorganic stuff X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO the drawing that goes along with the hunter s. thompson quote is a (pretty good) ASCII replica of art from thompson's book: "fear and loathing in las vegas." ralph steadman did the art throughout the book. that drawing is an interpretation of two men driving toward you in a convertable caddy while horribly twisted on lsd, coke and cases of beer. (i apologize for not referencing it here) the dude with the hat is thompson, perhaps the most infamous writer of our time. the squatty thing is known in the book only as "the 300 pound samoan" -- the lawyers with the publishing company didn't want him named. in reality, he is oscar acoda (sp?), the "lawyer" side kick throughout the book, and the subject of the movie "where the buffalo roam." if none of this makes sense, i'd suggest renting the moving and getting the book. the movie is awful, but i think most net.ravers would get a kick out of the book. cheers. (p.s. nice to see ritchie h online. about time. we've been burning up his ears for years on here. :-) ) -- The Chronicle. Elyria, Ohio, USA John Kohlstrand, staff writer macroncl@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu aa2243@freenet.lorain.oberlin.edu ``Techno is like Detroit -- a complete mistake.'' --Derrick May I don't speak for them. They don't speak for me. It's an existential thing. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 03:19:23 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA14553; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:18:50 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA07061; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 21:14:59 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 21:14:59 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJHHCZLDOY001X2O@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: PEHALL@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: PEHALL@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: UTOPIA--WOW!! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, what can I say about UTOPIA..... WOW!!! I have to send huge shouts pout to the people who set this thing up. DOC, I love ya man this party rocked. You had my two favorite DJ's there. Let's see. to start off. Got to the preparty a little bit late. Had to pick up my friend. Lucky too cause there wasn't anyone there anyways. :) Finally some people were spinning and I was having a good time. Cosmic. unreal set I liked a lot. I didn't hear doc's and devin's that much but it was good. OK, get to the rave and WOW. It was like a net homecoming. there were soooo many people that I got too meet. I really liked the mike schroff and mike bryant tag team but it didn't seem to move all that much. but then.....DAVE HOLLANDS. Onceagain, as Dave always does, he tore me up . I couldn't stop dancing I love that man. Cyberjive....Unreal. I loved the entire set. I couldn't dance because I was soo tired but I loved it. I fell asleep for about 10 minutes on the back carpet area when Devin came up and told me the HE, was here. I ran to the tables and there HE was. BILEEBOB. I hadn't heard anything from this man since IO. I He reminded me why I loved him tsssoooo muhc It is like . Hell I can't explain what his set did too me. UTOPIA had the ultracool vibe that I loved. I wish Becca and amy had been able to stay longer. BECCA I MISS YOU!!!!!!. I wanna give a shout out to all the nueeet people I meet. Toddo, amy, eric, drip, Darndet there were som more new people I met but can't remember. oh yeah. DROP PANTS NETWORK WAS IN THE HOUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was amazing. I congratulate amy for being the only member of the Drop pants network that is female. WOOOWOOO Well, I gotta go. shouts out to Devin, Becca, amy, chuck, jay, Doc, Dave, Toddo, Kyle, Johny quest, Jen, Tiffany, and anyone else I can't think of right now. I LOVE YOU ALL!!!!!! ...Pat ......pehall@indyvax.iupui.edu ....Bluerazzberry blowpop From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 03:54:56 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA15146; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:54:25 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA12347; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 21:51:16 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 21:51:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199411150346.DAA03779@falcon.depaul.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: goldbaum@falcon.depaul.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nate Goldbaum To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ?s that hit at 4:00 AM X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > > 1) Why is it that Scooby Doo could barely speak while Scrappy had perfect > > articulative speech? > Because Shaggy was lacing his "Scooby Snacks" with smack. Why do you think all they needed to do was offer a scooby snack or two and he'd go wherever they wanted him to? He was just the pawn of those damn (dopepusher) kids. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 04:17:34 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA15721; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 23:16:59 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA15138; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:13:52 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:13:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199411150409.EAA04268@falcon.depaul.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: goldbaum@falcon.depaul.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nate Goldbaum To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: milwacky X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > > God I love this town. Actually, Milwaukee pretty much sucks, but that is > what makes this town (our scene) so rad. In comparison to other > communities I have seen around the midwest and beyond, milwaukee has some > of the most fucked up laws, as well as an overall evilfuck bias towards > rave parties. [ Adolescent bondage fantasy deleted :) ;) :P ] > > If you are a HUMAN- at last check, I believe we all are, you might also > have a FAMILY- a large one at that. I gamble to say that at least 20 > percent of us has a cool hippie or at least a cool person in that family > who just might happen to own VACANT PROPERTIES, or barns or- use your > imagination- to throw SMALL parties in. > > Small parties 10-500 are where it is at. For two weekends in a row I > have opted for small or rural parties instead of some bigtown glut. > Peole out in the middle of nowhere PARTY HARD. Big ups to everyone > piecing together the parties in Iowa, Mid-State Illinois and Indiana, and > northern Wisconsin. If you haven't noticed, these are the places where > some major changes are going on- the conversion of people who would have > otherwise been unexposed to what this is all about, who are then > affected, who then affects each and every person they encounter > (hopefully) in the same positive light. Our Movement (and I hope I can > say this without sounding too sappy) is Silent, resulting from gatherings > of Sound, Noise, Chaos, Thought, Unity, Respect, and Love. For thousands > of years, people have conjuered animosity and hatred for one another > because of clashing beliefs, greed, and overpopulation... yet we can pack > a bunch of people in a room- add bliss, and out of the faucet comes > Change, Friendship, Understanding, and Peace. > > This may seem odd- but I thought about all of this while looking at the > fractals on my screensaver- that whole 'Infinately smaller/bigger' > thing. It keeps going... from a large pod to 5 smaller- each spawning 5 > of it's own- going on, forever- making a distinct trail for the source... > which is only a spawn of something else... conquering all space for all > time- forever. > > Someone please respond to this- I wrack my mind to say something that > makes a difference whenever i post (with the exception of the PWEI > thing), and no one ever says 'Yeah, that's cool.. and I think...' or > 'Man, he's fulla shit...' etc. > > matt mot massive > > > Small parties are definitely where it's at. I'm sorry I haven't made it to the net-gatherings that have been happening. School has me on the ropes for now. I especially want to apologize to Sho and the whole Indy crew since y'all were so supportive of my party efforts. :) Hopefully you will throw another one in the not-too-distant future that I can attend. Anyway, to really respond to the post. I agree completely and I think it's especially appropriate that fractals were the inspiration for your thoughts/realizations. Fractals are a big beautiful design that is the result of small designs branching off and interacting and the like. I think that if one started with the larger picture in mind, it would be next to impossible to line up all the little designs to make the big one a reality. They have to do their own thing. They have to result from realationships on a smaller leverl. The problem with the big parties is that they are an attempt to increase and strengthen the scene in a top-down (sorta hierarchical) manner. You put only a few people in charge of an event that will affect thousands. Lines of communication and power are drawn which limit interaction, creativity and input. The government is the same kind of mistake. What it really takes to bring people together and to make something better is a bottom-up approach. We have to support it in the little ways in our everyday life. We can't expect to put our happiness in the hands of a few and hope they will make the world better. We have to make interpersonal connections and really improve the life of another human being (if even in a small way) to make any sort of real difference in the world. That's why government doesn't work and that's why big-time promotion doesn't work. What we can do if we find ourselves in the position (as we are governmentally) is to try and keep people kinda like us in power. That way at least they don't screw things up *too* much. But, more importantly, we have to make the little things count. Because they are the only way we can improve our world. God, I love to get preachy. ;) :) peaceout nate From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 04:40:20 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA16245; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 23:39:52 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA18267; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:36:36 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:36:36 -0600 Message-Id: <199411150431.EAA04551@falcon.depaul.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: goldbaum@falcon.depaul.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nate Goldbaum To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: kinda like... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I should warn you. The cops use the net too. Be careful what you say. This *is* a public forum, no matter how close we feel to each other. Thanks for the input. Welcome to the club. (or anti-club, as it were). peaceout nate From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 04:43:35 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA16297; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 23:43:04 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA18839; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:40:24 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:40:24 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: plastik@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Plus 8 Records To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Plus 8 Update! (fun for the whole family!) (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO To answer some of the questions: - +8043 is the new Plastikman album -'MUSIK', released @ Nov. 22, 1994. - Pro 23 is new CUSP by Mark Gage - PSI 014 is new C/Sphere - Richie will be in Denver Nov.19, Dallas Nov.25, and @ Florida Nov.26-29. More news later in the week. m.h. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 05:03:48 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA16788; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 00:03:37 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA22564; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 23:01:20 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 23:01:20 -0600 Message-Id: <9411150520.AA08473@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jong@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jon Gilkison To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: annoying question X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO OK, so I get to touch some tables at tigger's and guess what? The professa is now a wannabe DJ :) So I call the needle doctah and ask: Got any used 1200s I can fraud you out of? Needle Doctah:Hell no, used 1200s don't exist. The Professa:Well got any new ones then? (At this time I'm thinking how much I can sell my car for and if this will cover the cost) Needle Doctah:Backordered for quite awhile. Got the new vestax tables which are suppose to rival 1200s. A bit cheeper too. Professa:Hmmm ... what's the difference ... Doctah: I hang up the phone and am stuck wondering: Would I be fucked going with vestax tables?!? Some say yes and some say no. The vestax stop/start faster then 1200s, user replaceable everything and are cheaper. Same layout I guess, but the feel might not quite be the same. So to vestex (or vestax or whatever) or to 1200? Opinions and flames pleeze :) Professa Earache DJ Wannabe g00NIEphukka From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 05:37:41 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA17294; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 00:37:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA26153; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 23:33:32 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 23:33:32 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJHM34QJZOIA17MT@BSUVC.bsu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: 00tjcrawford@bsuvc.bsu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: 00tjcrawford@bsuvc.bsu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Acidic Pyramid Location...:) -deep sigh- X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO From: IN%"synergy@csd.uwm.edu" "Bradley John Owen" 14-NOV-1994 13:40:09.63 To: IN%"00tjcrawford@bsuvc.bsu.edu" CC: Subj: RE: Massive Eight Top Ten Return-path: Received: from alpha2.csd.uwm.edu by BSUVC.bsu.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #6522) id <01HJGYZBKWEOI8SCW5@BSUVC.bsu.edu>; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 13:27:48 EST Received: (synergy@localhost) by alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) id MAA04976; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:27:45 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:27:42 -0600 (CST) From: Bradley John Owen Subject: Re: Massive Eight Top Ten In-reply-to: <01HJGBK9JHBY0JZ8I6@BSUVC.bsu.edu> To: 00tjcrawford@bsuvc.bsu.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT The space for Acidic Pyramid is at the Congress Theatre as far as I've heard. Site of many a party...legal space....won't get busted. Brad From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 05:51:51 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA17565; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 00:51:30 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA27965; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 23:48:22 -0600 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 23:48:22 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: life's little annoyanes X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Forwarded message: > From: Jon Gilkison > Needle Doctah:Backordered for quite awhile. Got the new vestax tables which are > suppose to rival 1200s. A bit cheeper too. > > Professa:Hmmm ... what's the difference ... > > Doctah: So how much are these suckers? I hear the going price for 1200mkIII's is like $500 new. I need to know 'cause I just got a line on a pair of 1200s with cartridges for $450 each, used. - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 07:49:13 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA19234; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 02:48:53 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA07592; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 01:44:16 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 01:44:16 -0600 Message-Id: <941115011925_7853269@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Tapes X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO For those of you that send me tapes to dub, please give me some more time. Right now I am design the largest to be gay club and I have 3 days to finish. I work from 6 am until 10 pm. So for this week, I won't dub anything. I need sleep. Peace and out. French E a.k.a. Davis J. Bassan From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 07:50:57 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA19249; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 02:50:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA07666; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 01:44:43 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 01:44:43 -0600 Message-Id: <941115011948_7853499@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 94 Poll X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I'd like to compile info from each one of you to see how the scene has moved along in 1994 -1- name your 5 most preferred Raves in 1994 -2- name your 5 most preferred Trance (trance-core, hard trance too) DJ -3- name your 5 most preferred House DJ -4- name your 5 most preferred Hardcore DJ -5- name your favorite promoter -6- which promoter to you trust the most ? -7- name your favorite Sound co. -8-name your less favorite Sound co -9- name your favorite Light co. -10- name your less favorite Light Co -11- name your favorite Smart Bar co. -12-name the 5 worste raves -13-what is the thing you like to do the most at Raves ? -14-How far are you willing to travel ? -15-what is the thing your hate the most at raves ? -16- What are the 5 things you always bring to a rave ? -17- What would you like to see change in the rave scene ? -18- What is your age ? -19- What do you do for a living ? -20-Do you prefer a small (100-600) rave or large rave (600+) ? -30- Which city has the best rave ? -40- Have a good Xmas and happy new year results to be e-mailed in Jan 95 Peace and out --------<--------@ French E a.k.a. Davis J. Bassan Maxximum Sound and lights, Inc "Music is my religion, what is your ?" "Everything has a limit, know yours" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 10:44:50 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id FAA20805; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 05:44:43 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA14147; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 04:39:16 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 04:39:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199411151038.EAA14112@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: dynamic@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: DynamicGroove To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ? @ a book X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >From: "Bacik, John" > > Hello : > > Just wunering if anyone knows of a place in the midwest(a store or >mail order catalog) that has books by Terrence McKenna. If anyone >does puh-leese lt me know- it would be highly appreiciated! > > > luf jax > you can pretty much get his books anywhere. ive seen them at Book World and Waldenbooks. they even have some of his stuff at the Milwaukee County Library (one less now since i checked out 'The Invisible Landscape' and loaned it to a friend never to be seen again.) *joe* From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 13:19:25 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id IAA22603; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 08:19:10 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id HAA19224; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 07:17:55 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 07:17:55 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: firk0001@gold.tc.umn.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Richard D Firkins To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: life's little annoyanes/turntables X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 14 Nov 1994, Introspection Inc: > So how much are these suckers? >I hear the going price for 1200mkIII's is like >$500 new. I need to know 'cause I just got a line on a pair of 1200s >with cartridges for $450 each, used Are they mkIII's or mkII's? The mkIII's are really rare and have a higher torque than the standard mkII's, and gold connections or something. If they are mkIII's the price is probably OK, but its high for mkII's, which I've seen for $250-$300 used and $400 new (although the new price might be higher now) Of course, that's without cartridges. rich/pike. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 15:53:22 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA26132; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:53:04 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA12341; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:50:10 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:50:10 -0600 Message-Id: <15NOV94.11680641.0081.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MKAMMERE@NMU.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Kammerer, Mark J" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Aloha is God X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Aloha is God. Aloha is the power of God seeking to unite what is separated in the world. The power that unites heart with heart, soul with soul, life with life, culture with culture, race with race, nation with nation. It is a power that can reunite where a quarrel has brought separation. It is a power that can reunite a man with himself when he has become separated from the image of God within. Thus, when a people or a person live in the spirit of Aloha they live in the spirit of God. And among such a people, whose lives so affirm their inner being, we see the working of the scripture. All things work together for good to those who love God. Aloha consists of a new attitude of heart, above negativism, above legalism. It is the desire to promote the true good of other people in the spirit of friendliness out of a sense of kinship. Aloha seeks to do good to a person with no conditions attatched. We do not do good only to the people who do good to us. One of the sweetest things about the love and Aloha of God is that it welcomes the stranger and seeks the good in that person. A person who has the spirit of Aloha loves even when the love is not returned. And such is the love of God. This is the meaning of Aloha. -- said a long time ago by a guy from Hawaii This message has been brought to you by Mark Josef and the Brain Farm who sez "Get down on the farm..." From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 16:02:11 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA26371; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:01:43 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA14293; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:58:34 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 09:58:34 -0600 Message-Id: <199411151600.LAA10611@london.physics.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sho@physics.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sho Kuwamoto To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: proposition and 1/2 (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I'm forwarding this message for skimmy, who is temporarily unsubbed from the list. It's a pizza gathering in indy. I'm going, are you?? Forwarded message: > From skimmy@expert.cc.purdue.edu Tue Nov 15 10:21:11 1994 > > well, it's almost thanksgiving....and we will all most likely > be going to home or some other gathering....and perhaps > some of us may be let out from events due to staying at home... > or whathaveyou. so anywyas, the whole point is to possibly > propose anohter gathering for friendly face-stuffing people > in the midwest--ANOTHER BAZBEAUX!!!! > > i know it's a pain this week.....lord knowsthat!!! can we > gather later this week? sometime next week? i miss my > family of net friends and personally, i like the hugs from my friends > better than the hardback book that has since become my bed-partner! > (ugh!) anyone up for a study break? > > just a thought......what do you think? hmmmmm.....feedback. i need > feedback here...work with me. hahahahaha.? > -- > *** "satan sucks, but you're the best!!!" *** ---cub > sara kim > skimmy@expert.cc.purdue.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 19:12:21 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA01388; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 14:11:59 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA24625; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 12:54:06 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 12:54:06 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJI97B6D76QPIGSH@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Turntables X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO mkII's price, in Milwaukee at Cascio Music is something like $412 without cartridge, but you can talk the guy down to $400. Of course, these prices are for new decks. You can supposidly get them even cheeper in Chicago, but I don't know where.. Peace out, Ramylson ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' "In music the passions enjoy 608.342.3196 themselves." F. Neitzsche Fun House Productions ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 19:19:36 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA01614; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 14:19:22 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA25354; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 12:57:26 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 12:57:26 -0600 Message-Id: <199411151855.AA16042@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: gmk40719@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Gregory M. Kus" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: massive 7 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO is this the new massive out? .. that was a weird sentence. is the new massive out? Number 7 well is it going to be at acidic pyramid? I would like to get a copy of it. thanks- and I hope acidic pyramid goes through well.. looks like an excellent show.. anyone else here going? the lineup looks good to me.. I've heard stuff by Hardfloor from Harthouse records and I dig em.. I dunno about everyone else on here.. but..... I think it will be decent. -Greg -- -Kus ~Living in the Circle of Illumination Between Night and Day~ _____________________________________________________________________________ Gregory M. Kus University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign gmk40719@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu CCSO Short Course Instructor NeXT Mail: gmk40719@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu gmk40719@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 21:39:25 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA05233; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:39:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA04578; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 15:34:35 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 15:34:35 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: graflin@iac.net Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Anthony Cosco To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Turntables X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Tue, 15 Nov 1994 BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu wrote: > > mkII's price, in Milwaukee at Cascio Music is something like $412 > without cartridge, but you can talk the guy down to $400. Of course, > these prices are for new decks. You can supposidly get them even > cheeper in Chicago, but I don't know where.. > Illinois Audio in Chicago sells mkII's for $365 new, no cartridge. 1-800-621-8042. Anthony Cosco graflin@iac.net From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 21:55:30 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA05571; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:55:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA05368; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 15:37:26 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 15:37:26 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: proposition and 1/2 (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Forwarded message: > From: Sho Kuwamoto > I'm forwarding this message for skimmy, who is temporarily > unsubbed from the list. It's a pizza gathering in indy. > I'm going, are you?? No, I wish I could but driving to Indy for pizza is like flying to New York for a play, if you take my meaning. Sorry. - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 22:30:53 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA06627; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:30:26 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA19391; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:24:30 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:24:30 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: hcmk@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Holly Macdonald - Korth To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: BILLEEBOB(dec 3)indy X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= t r e e t o w n f a m i l e e m a s s i v e hcmk@umich.edu mission control: 810.746.3338 *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* On Mon, 14 Nov 1994, doc wrote: > > BILLEEBOB will be in indy at nocturna on dec. 3 > (more details later) > ahem, really? i'd check your calendar again if i were u...john is spinning at CONTACT here n detroit on the third...booked,confirmed, and on the flyer...(billed as heckle and jeckle)... samme sunshyne treetown familee massive From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 22:37:09 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA06832; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:36:55 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA21660; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:32:26 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:32:26 -0600 Message-Id: <9411152231.AA14679@mik.uky.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: cosmic@mik.uky.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jim Owens To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re:vinyl help X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 14 Nov 1994, lpawl wrote: > you can get an acetate "laquer" from national sound in detroit > for 35-50 bucks. its a 10" for that price though. > i know a few people who have done this. > cheap, huh? Thats awesome!!!... How much time can you get here? I would be very interested in getting a scratch record made and this sounds like a fine way to do it! I know it would wear out quick, but I figure with about 25 samples, you could put them on there a few times each? Anyone know? =) *~cosmic~~~ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 15 22:49:33 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA07174; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 17:48:51 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA24426; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:43:32 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 16:43:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199411152239.WAA01143@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: GREMLIN 12.02.94 Chicago X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ATP & Drop Bass G R E M L I N 12.02.94 - Chicago, IL GIZMO - Amsterdam TERRY MULLAN BOOMER EFEX TRON JEDIDIAH JETHROX Live PA's by DELTA 9 TRIPPER INFORMATION SYSTEMS 312.509.8068 414.257.1733 -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 00:05:13 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA09492; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:04:58 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA11844; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 18:02:51 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 18:02:51 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jjhelton@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: doc To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: BILLEEBOB(dec 3)indy X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO the info for this party is from word of mouth... ..i'll check-out the details for sure. -doc From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 00:07:36 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA09564; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:07:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA12206; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 18:04:26 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 18:04:26 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jjhelton@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: doc To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: BILLEEBOB(dec 3)indy X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO oh yeah... thanks holly for bringing this to my attention:) -doc From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 01:26:02 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA11505; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 20:25:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA26230; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:23:40 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:23:40 -0600 Message-Id: <199411160122.TAA26130@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: THELME00@UKCC.UKY.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: tim To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: MW-RAVES digest 217 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO funny...i thought that detroit tag team event was on the third of december. and yet, billeebob is going to be there and at the dec. third nocturna event? guess he could fly there or something. maybe i messed up the event days... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 01:35:51 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA11715; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 20:35:02 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA28087; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:33:14 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:33:14 -0600 Message-Id: <199411160132.TAA27874@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: THELME00@UKCC.UKY.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: tim To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: MW-RAVES digest 217 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO sheesh - i'd think with all us VIOLENT RAVERS, mr. renegade tv show man would have been afraid to come. or at LEAST he would have been dealt with a little more creatively than with baseball bats. maybe real bats. like the flying kind. or maybe the baseball bat signified the love of BASS and the likeness of a rave to a BALL and the fact that it's at night, well - we're not in the sun, and neither are BATS. i am certain you have seen the symbolism. the writers were trying to make sure we didn't fall into the trap of forcing our way upon others (i.e., beating a biker renegade with our love of bass and night and parties and whatever-the-hell-else you want to put in there...). either that or they were full of shit and probably think we are a bunch of cave dwelling vampires who come out at night in terrible redneck-rock attire to suck the juices from the veins of unwitting drug-addicts - who we no doubt draw to our events with loud sounds, then trap with wacky light displays. sheesh. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 01:59:48 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA12145; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 20:59:33 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA04236; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:57:50 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 19:57:50 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: hcmk@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Holly Macdonald - Korth To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: MW-RAVES digest 217 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= t r e e t o w n f a m i l e e m a s s i v e hcmk@umich.edu mission control: 810.746.3338 *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* On Tue, 15 Nov 1994, tim wrote: > funny...i thought that detroit tag team event was on the third of december. and > yet, billeebob is going to be there and at the dec. third nocturna event? guess > he could fly there or something. maybe i messed up the event days... > jon is confirmed to spin on dec.3 in detroit with paris as heckle and jeckle at contact. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 04:47:18 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA16390; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 23:47:07 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA29981; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 22:44:27 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 22:44:27 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jjhelton@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: doc To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: MW-RAVES digest 217 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Tue, 15 Nov 1994, tim wrote: > funny...i thought that detroit tag team event was on the third of december. and > yet, billeebob is going to be there and at the dec. third nocturna event? guess > he could fly there or something. maybe i messed up the event days... > i've heard... ...i'm checkin' my info. -doc From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 04:50:14 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA16452; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 23:49:47 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA29534; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 22:41:39 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 22:41:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199411160437.EAA16123@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: Craig.Stodolenak@mixcom.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: mw-raves CALENDAR 11.16.94 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ______ ______ _ _ ______ ______ \ \ \ \ / / / / /\ /\\ /\ /\ \_____\ \ / /_____/ /_____ / \/ \\/ \/ \ \ \ \/ /______ ______/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================ mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu === ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Code Date City Event ----- ------- -------------- -------------------------------------- 31 11/18 F St. Louis LUNAR LOVELAND 46 11/18 F Quad Cities SUPERSONIC 48 11/18 F Detroit Untitled 10 11/19 S Christiansburg ALGORHYTHM 49 11/19 S Chicago ALIEN LOVE 14 11/19 S Chicago ACIDIC PYRAMYD 32 11/19 S Minneapolis MAY FLOWER 13 11/19 S Columbus XENODOCHEUM 01 11/23 W Cincinnati PILGRIMAGE 11 11/24 T Detroit JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCORE 02 11/25 F Pittsburgh ALL NATURAL 33 11/25 F Minneapolis CELESTIAL GROOVES 03 11/26 S Morgantown BIG UNDERGROUND GROOVE 08 11/26 S Detroit FIASCO 34 11/26 S Akron IMAGINE 39 11/26 S Chicago LOVE REVOLUTION 35 11/26 S Minneapolis RHYTHM 26 11/26 S Chicago UNIVERSAL LOVE 17 12/02 F Chicago GREMLIN 36 12/03 S Detroit CONTACT 16 12/03 S Louisville EVOLUTION 37 12/10 S Madison DEEP FREEZE 38 12/10 S Nashville FUNKOPOLIS 04 12/10 S Fargo SINERGY 19 12/17 S Dayton ENCOUNTER 05 12/17 S Appleton LIQUID LOVE 06 12/17 S Minneapolis RECESS 09 12/17 S Pittsburgh TRANSENDENCE II 41 12/31 S Memphis COMMUNICATE 39 12/31 S Minneapolis FUTURE 18 12/31 S Chicago PURE 12 12/31 S Milwaukee RITUAL 07 01/14 S Athens ATTRACTION 47 02/04 S Memphis ABDUCTION (moved from 11/18) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- === MWRaves Calendar ==================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Issued every WEDNESDAY. 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Superstars of Love...Dialeighted Productions...Spiritual Groove Culture joining forces to bring you: --------------------[ L U N A R L O V E L A N D ]--------------------- friday, november 18th, 1994 dj's: astroboy mindrive jeremy reese jon williams robert armani eldon and mucho, mucho more! Dialeighted Productions: 314-567-2097 Soopahstahs of Luv: 314-994-1114 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 18 NOVEMBER Friday QUAD CITIES SUPERSONIC EXSTASIS presents SUPERSONIC DJS: Dave Hollands (Indy) Mike Schroff (Indy) acid boy todd (Milwaukee) Yanu (Milwaukee) Scottie Miller (QC) Tony Giovannie (QC) DJ OX4 in the ambient room Lighting by CSE HEATED Warehouse location INFO:309.757.5323 & 312.509.4916 $7 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 19 NOVEMBER Saturday DETROIT Untitled ST. ANDREWS HALL DETROIT LX PATER & DJ. LEWIS FROM THE ORB CALL (313) 961-MELT ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 19 NOVEMBER Saturday CHRISTIANSBURG ALGORHYTHM ALGORHYTHM 11.19.94 -------------------------------- This is an invitation to come drop the bomb in Southwest Virginia with fluid motion, sound and lights. You have invited us to your festivities, now we invite you to one of ours... DJ's: Jason Jinx (n.y.c.) Chris Gallagher (atlanta) Mr. Bill (greensboro) Derek Tiffany (trance-fused, richmond) Usul (algorhythm) Soundwave (charlotte) Hunter (insomnia, richmond) Chad-E (insomnia, richmond) Dr. Pepper (blacksburg) Spice (sonic life, roanoke) 18,000 square feet of hard-wood at a newly-renovated skating rink in Christiansburg, Va. Skate rentals will be available. Adventure Information (*denotes ticket sales) *Baltimore / Modern Music / (410)523-1882 *Charlotte / Repo Records / (703)334-7376 Duncan / Charlottesville / (804)961-8107 Christiansburg / Club Info / (703)382-8511 *D.C. / Music Now / (202)338-5638 NYC / Liquid Sky / (212)343-0532 *611 Records / Philadelphia / (215)413-9100 *Radford / Palukaville / (703)639-5383 Basic Geometry / Raleigh / (919)571-5557 Insomnia / Richmond / (804)961-8107 *Trancefused / Richmond / (804)768-2000 $12.00 at door. Call Infolines for Directions. Tribal America - Sm:)e communications - waveform - logic - moonshine music ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 19 NOVEMBER Saturday CHICAGO ALIEN LOVE uncertified bootleg A L I E N L O V E ten dollars san francisco JON WILLIAMS exploratory space alburquerque DJ ELDON celestial soul denver JOHN KESSEN harmonic trance MINDRIVE madison DIZ chicago MYSTIC BILL kind project and introducing the mushroom cloud: MARK FARINA mushroom jazz G MOST hip hop acid jazz MILES MAEDA ambient dub and a very special presentation by: STARWHEELS lights from the sky - david gandy sounds from the mind - diversified audio heartbeats by the tribe & people of rythm 312.509.5013 312.604.1978 314.994.1114 414.434.4214 612.458.7081 309.757.5323 313.730.2202 supported by love ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 19 NOVEMBER Saturday CHICAGO ACIDIC PYRAMYD Prepare yourselves for the happening. Sense Productions most exhilarating and creative endeavor to date. A CHICAGO prestigious and exciting space transformed into a mystical dreamworld of unparalleled sights and sounds. Saturday November 19, 1994 /\ / \ A C I D I C P Y R A M Y D / \ /________\ featuring HARDFLOOR - Frankfurt, Germany ** MAIN ARENA 1 ** DJ Tewn (Jungle Boy) Jedidiah (Milwaukee's Drop Bass Terror Unit) Phantom 45 (CHA Massive) Acid Boy Todd P (Milwaukee's Innovative Record Source) Oliver (Hardfloor/Warehouse Cologne, Germany) Terry Mullan (House Guru) Mindrive (Madison's Erotishock Inc.) ** SHOWCASE ARENA 2 ** David Hollands (Indianapolis) Bob-a-Dob (Cincinnati) Oliver (Warehouse, Germany) Dreamer (Cleveland) Shaft (Cleveland) DJ Angstrom (Cleveland) JJ Jellybean plus Chicago's Best DJs! LIVE PA'S BY: Featuring for the first time ever in the midwest on Harthouse Records from Frankfurt, Germany HARDFLOOR For the first time ever, on Drop Bass, U.C. and Concact Records HYPERACTIVE On Labworks, Germany from Minneapolis, MN 4D LIGHT SHOW DESIGNED TO TAKE YOU THERE AND BACK AGAIN!! BY: P.A.W.N. "Laser & Entertainment Spectacular" Philadelphia, PA EYEGASM "Lighting Magician" United States 312.918.9084 sense productions 708.581.3200 xATP suburbs atp 414.777.EXTC milwaukee - massive 414.777.3998 milwaukee - drop bass network 608.258.0003 madison - erotishock inc. 313.358.7301 detroit - mind dance inc. 612.946.5938 minneapolis - disco family plan 314.994.1114 st. louis - superstars of love 317.899.8100 indianapolis - sin productions 303.575.1149 denver - come together 816.374.5848 kansas city - come together 513.648.9647 cincinnati - yum-yum 516.547.7118 new york - kort & greg 617.731.7214 boston - family network 804.768.2000 virginia - trance-fused 919.787.7132 north carolina - pet monster 404.496.4343 atlanta - sunshine 216.238.1451 cleveland - funky alien gizmos All DJs and Live Acts listed have been selected by Sense for their own individual style and music versatility. We try very hard to please each and everyone of you. And in doing so, we hope you will enjoy the musical content of all Sense events. Write to us and tell us what you would like to see & what DJs you would like to hear. P.O. Box 10168 Chicago IL 60610-0168. Sense Productions audio tapes on sale! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 19 NOVEMBER Saturday MINNEAPOLIS MAY FLOWER (pre flyer) V A N D A L productions presents ""MAY FLOWER"" saturday nov 19 1994 minneapolis mn 612.649.4575 612.659.6319 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 19 NOVEMBER Saturday COLUMBUS XENODOCHEUM Mindless Productions & Ground Zero Productions present XENODOCHEUM Claude Young (detroit) Dieselboy (pittsburgh) Magic Mike ~Sines Kevy Kev Bit (pittsburgh) Rage (multiple eargasm) Smart bar by Get Smart USA Cash bar w/proper ID Computer visuals 100% legal Tickets $6 advance, $8 at the door 10pm-5am at the Newport Music Hall, 1722 N. High St. Advance tickets available at World Record and at Vagabond (Short North) Info: Columbus 614.341.7041 YumYum 513.648.9647 Ungrd. 412.734.1467 Get Smart 313.730.2202 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 23 NOVEMBER Wednesday CINCINNATI PILGRIMAGE DJ Bob-A-Dob/Still Fresh Productions presents: The Thrid Annual Thanksgiving-Eve Party PILGRIMAGE Wednesday, November 23, 1994 Cincinnati Ohio DJ's Derrick Carter (Organico Recording Artist from Chicago) DJ Bob-A-Dob (Clubhead Records, Cincinnati Ohio) DBX (of Plus 8 Records, Detroit) As well as other local dj's to follow For additional information call the Yum-Yum line at: 513.648.9647 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 24 NOVEMBER Thursday DETROIT JOURNEY THRU THE HRDCR Thanksgiving Night, November 24 in Detroit.... JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCORE with.... Kevin Saunderson (Intercity/KMS-Detroit) "Magic" Juan Atkins (Metroplex-Detroit) D. Wynn (R-Tyme-Detroit) Roger Sanchez (New York) Mike "The Hitman" Wilson (Chicago) Claude Young (Detroit) Live performance by Rachel Capp And many more.... All in two rooms (spinning both techno and house) Advance tickets at Recordtime in Detroit Any Ticketmaster outlet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 25 NOVEMBER Friday PITTSBURGH ALL NATURAL Millenium Productions Presents: A L L N A T U R A L Where Society fades into a laughable memory... Shocking but true!!! You'll have to see it to believe it!!! 9pm-9am Live & Direct Line-up All Killer No Filler: DJ's Steve Loriah (L.A., Stress Records West Coast Progressive Acid House) Metatron (London, UK, Praxias Records Head Honcho) Scott Forbush (Cleveland, Wanker Records, Hardest Fastest Man in the Biz) Deadly Buda (Pittsburgh, King of the Nightime World) Terry Kicks (Pittsburgh, Thumping House God of Thunder) 1.8.7 (Pittsburgh, The Livest PA in the U.S. of A) Spike (Pittsburgh, The Upstage Mon. and Sat. nights) Buda (Pittsburgh, Bringer of Flowers and Pulsating Joy) Visonary Visuals by Eyegasm Panoramic Projections by Zamecnik Second Room Ambient and Poetry, Mellow grooves and Trancey rhythms from Pittsburgh's freshest new DJ's! Pittsburgh's Premier of The KickSquad Revolving SoundSystem "Warning: This is no joke. We highly recommend hearing protection. Ignore this recommendation at your own risk & responsibility." The David Apocalypse Show (The Circus Ringleader Returns) Everyone is welcome but this event has a limit of 850 tickets. Get 'em early -- This event WILL reach capacity. Maps & Location information availble ONLY on the day of the evnt at Ticket Locations or call the *NEW* Millenium Infoline @: 412.734.8994 Tickets availible in: @ phone Pittsburgh - Oakland Teleropa 412.621.2144 Collectors 12" 412.682.4033 Azis 412.683.8593 - Southside Slacker 412.381.3911 Revolutions 412.488.6227 - North Hills Record Rama 412.367.7330 - Forest Hills Future Sounds 412.351.3221 Cleveland - Deep Records 216.382.3101 Columbus - World Record 614.297.7900 Harrisburg - Checkered Past 717.561.8898 Lancaster - Checkered Past 717.299.6220 Baltimore - Modern Music 410.523.1882 Washington, DC - Music Now 202.338.5638 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 25 NOVEMBER Friday MINNEAPOLIS CELESTIAL GROOVES (pre flyer) C E L E S T I A L G R O V E S funky ass dance BEATS nov 25 1994 DEE-JAYS TBA USUAL PRODUCTIONS----------1.800.803.8520 mpls minnesota ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday MORGANTOWN BIG UNDERGROUND GROOVE DJ's Richie Rich (NYC) dieselBoy (Pittsburgh) DJ Sun (Baltimore) Finger (Pittsburgh) Live PA by: 1.8.7 (Pittsburgh) More DJ's to be confirmed. Call 304.291.3975 for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday DETROIT FIASCO _____ / ___| / / _ | | |_| | | | |____ _ ____ ________ _____ _______ | ____| | | |___ \ / _______| / ____| / ___ \ | | | | \ \ / / / / / / \ \ | | | | ___/ \ \ \_______ | | | | | | | | | | / ___ | \ _____ \ | | | | | | | | | | / / | | \ \ | | | | | | | | | | | |__/ | ______/ / \ \____ \ \___/ / |__| |_| \____/|_| |_______ / \_____| \_______/ ____________________________________________________________________ |____________________________________________________________________ a p o o r b o y production >>detroit 11.26.94<< the sound of the detroit underground: mike huckaby (recordtime's hard house alchemist) claude young (detroit's darkest house/traxx back from the outback) ~sines (crispy cymbals from columbus oh) heckle & jeckle (bileebob & paris--tag team breaks/traxx champions) jazz/slo-breaks room with spinnin' sorcerer brian gillespie live digital/analogue integration by columbus' chillmasters: A.mbience R.ecovery S.ystem 6540 Hasting info 810.901.5052 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday AKRON IMAGINE Reality Is Limited Imagination is Boundless.... IMAGINE Audio Navigators Keoki (Disco 2000/NYC) James Christain (NYC) DJ Odyssey (Subb-Toronto/Eternal) Sleepy C (Psychoactive-Deep/Eternal) Algo-Rhythm (Subb-Toronto) G-Wiz (Baltimore) More Info and DJ's to Come! For more info call 216.971.9010 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday CHICAGO LOVE REVOLUTION Saturday Nov. 26, 1994 Diversified Funk, Vibe Alive, and RIPE bring you Love Revolution Micro - (nyc) Felix da house cat - (detroit) Mystic Bill & Davey Dave doin a tag team thang Gene Farris Mike Dearborn Spun Mindrive this event will be in chicago more info will be posted later. js784592@pucal.bitnet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday MINNEAPOLIS RHYTHM November 26th in da beautiful metropolis of Minneapolis Color X presents ------------------------------- - - - RHYTHM - - - ------------------------------- Featuring the vinyl Sounds of: --Wade Randolph Hampton-- --------Synergy-------- --------Waxee-------- ------E Tones------ ------Earth------ --Alex Jarvis-- watch this space for a voice mail connection rock it like dat ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday CHICAGO UNIVERSAL LOVE saturday, november 26, the midwest unites once again to release its... U N I V E R S A L L O V E forward the positive energy DJ ONIONZ.............caffiene new york MYSTICAL INFLUENCE....dub plate enthusiast / top jungalist draw MIKE DUNN.............djax rythm control / holland chicago JOSH WERNER...........jango house / chicago original DJ SNIPER.............fat controllers / toronto's own syrous massive MC EZ................. MINDRIVE..............acid funk WILDCHILD.............intelligent ASTROBOY..............that deep trance shit, st. love DR. GROO..............ill state jungalist JJ JELLYBEAN..........visionary DJ TRAXX..............chicago definition of house MC DR NO..............special guest MYSTIC BILL...........house preservation society DAVEY DAVE............ SNUGGLES..............chicago's jungalist cha kru DJRP.................. THE PHANTOM 45........ two rooms of 100% ood music and crystal clear sound by DIVERSIFIED AUDIO, massive LAX - SLACK chill out area featuring free h2o and veggie food. beautiful posiitive feeling aided by our human ambient personnel: riverman, the tribe, and the wiseman. massive display of 3d projections, visual haze, and filmloops by OPTIQUE. i-beam technology and retina frying lasers by DAVE CANDY. the airhorn - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! flea market featuring smart mart/brain salon, massive inflatables, and body painting by GLORIA. 312.509.6453 chicago 407.839.6050 orlando 312.604.1978 407.277.7635 708.786.3995 suburbs 606.281.4193 lexington 414.256.1342 milwaukee 404.496.4343 atlanta 414.777.3998 416.599.3851 toronto 608.283.3357 madison 416.586.0380 317.895.4546 indianapolis 905.823.9301 317.899.8100 416.760.3273 612.458.7081 minneapolis 071.437.0478 u.k. 612.946.5938 071.267.4479 612.649.4768 0865.254.0476 314.994.1143 st. louis 0344.412.249 314.994.1114 319.337.7712 iowa 901.393.9831 memphis 313.417.4709 detroit 216.238.1451 cleveland 617.859.3605 boston 212.631.1023 n.y.c. 513.648.9647 cincinnati ripe / vibe alive ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 02 DECEMBER Friday CHICAGO GREMLIN ATP & Drop Bass G R E M L I N 12.02.94 - Chicago, IL GIZMO - Amsterdam BOOMER - St. Louis TERRY MULLAN EFEX TRON JETHROX JEDIDIAH Live PA's by DELTA 9 TRIPPER INFORMATION SYSTEMS 312.509.8068 414.257.1733 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 03 DECEMBER Saturday DETROIT CONTACT ============================================================================ ___ ___ _______ / \ / /\ / __ /\ _______ ______ / /\ \ / / \_______ / /\/ / \_______ _______ / ___ /\ / __ /\/ / \ \/ / /__ ___/\/ /__/ / / ___ //__ __/\ / /\ /_/ / / / / /__/ \____/ / /\ /__/ \/__/ / /\ /_/ \/ /\ / / \__\ / / / / \ \ /\ \ / / \_\ \ \ \ / / \__\ / / \_/ \ \__/ / \ \_\ \ /\ \ / \ \ /\ \ / \ \ /\ \ \ \__/ / /\ \ / \____/__/ \_____\/ \__\/ \___\/ \_\/ \__\/ \__\/\____/__/ \_\/ saturday december 3rd detroit ============================================================================= featuring the live and direct jungle madness of detroit's very own H e c k l e and J e c k l e tearing up the dance floor on four turntables, Chicago's M y s t i c B i l l and D a v e y D a v e and superstar detroit dj's J e r e m e y T i m B a k e r C h u c k H a m p t o n call 810.746.3338 for more event info.... -----> net.raver discount! Two for One! call or email us at hcmk@jwkorth.com or hcmk@umich.edu to be put on the list brought to you by the treetown familee massive ============================================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 03 DECEMBER Saturday LOUISVILLE EVOLUTION EVOLUTION, technosaurus dieselboy lenny d scott henry terry mullan mike huckaby mark farina there will also be a second room with house early and ambient later info at 502.569.1969 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10 DECEMBER Saturday MADISON DEEP FREEZE Flipside Productions invites you to chill at D E E P F R E E Z E Saturday December 10th 1994 in So. Central WI with DJ's: JOHN AQUAVIVA definitive/stickman/plus8 detroit REESE astralwerks new york live performance by ESP comminuque/drop bass minneapolis JETSTREAM detroit EFEX chicago MINDRIVE madison DENEB waupun Sound and lights by Badger Refreshmentz by Cottonmouth this is a map point event 608.283.3116 612.946.5938 admission is $12/$10 ** pre-flyer only ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10 DECEMBER Saturday NASHVILLE FUNKOPOLIS December 10th 1994 in Nashville : F U N K O P O L I S Confirmed DJ's : John Debo (Boston) stress / Mindwarp DB (NY) NASA / Smile comm. Micro (NY) Progression / Sorted Records King Brett (Phily) Ovum Recording Scott Richmond (NY) Satellite Production Net Chip B (Nashville) B.A.M. Terry Mullan (Chicago) Vibe Tribe Larry (Nashville) VINN Spridel (Delaware) long awaited return Ambiant room by CCP (Memphis) Funk room : Humpty and Knuckl Head promotional give aways by above Labels Sound by : Sound-O-Mighty Intelligent Lights by : Maxximum S & L, Inc Visuals by : Factory Visuals (Florida) Funk clothes by : J Squared Smart bar by : IMSMARTRU Info : 615.780.3730 E-mail : AnodeBAM@aol.com MaxximumSL@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10 DECEMBER Saturday FARGO SINERGY ______ _____ _____ ____ / | |\ | | | \ / \ \ / \______ | | \ | |___ |_____/ | \ / \ | | \ | | | \ | -- | ______ / | | \| |_____ | \ \____| | 12.10.94 Fargo, North Dakota DJ's - your favorite mw-raves net dj's Cost - free for net kids and anyone who comes with you I will find a place for ya to krash. info - 218.236.3085 or e-mail me (honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 17 DECEMBER Saturday DAYTON ENCOUNTER ENCOUNTER 12.17.94 PROTOTYPE 909 instinct records JETHROX dbn ASTROBOY SHO JIMI ARI LODGE 513.496.1071 dayton ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 17 DECEMBER Saturday APPLETON LIQUID LOVE on D e c e m b e r 17th, 1 9 9 4 come be immersed in L I Q U I D L O V E in Appleton, Wi with David Hollands Efex Kenny Gino (Muncie, Ind.) (The Assailant) (Memphis, Tn.) Chicago Liquid Love Tribe Davey Dave Gene Farris Martin Frymire (HPS Records) (HPS Records/ RR Records) (Deep Tribe) Chicago Chicago Chicago live pa by: Tripper Information Systems Al G. (phisics records) (Deep Tribe) 'last wisconsin performance before '95 world tour. Milwaukee plus many other special guests to be announced!! stay tuned for more info, plus additional djs. call: 414.777.EXTC massive posse 414.939.0473 liquid love line Brought to you by the people that brought you... Shanti... Mosaic... and Rustic. Pavalon rx, Liquid Love Tribe, Massive Magazine, Network 10, Serotonin Protocal, and many others!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 17 DECEMBER Saturday MINNEAPOLIS RECESS --------======================================================-------- ....Unik Communikations.... ....is proud to present.... --------======================================================-------- ---==== R ... E ... C ... E ... S ... S ====--- December 17th, 1994 in Minneapolis, MN _-_ The Playground Monitors _-_ :--> T-1000 <--: :--> Ralphie Dee <--: :--> DJ Apollo <--: :--> DJ JT <--: :--> E-Tones <--: ... introducing the new skool ... :--> DJ FK <--: :--> DJ Natas <--: :--> DJ Whatever <--: groovy lights and sound by Purple Ghost da info line -=- i_6i2_429_3205 --------======================================================-------- .... Be there or be somewhere else .... --------======================================================-------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 17 DECEMBER Saturday PITTSBURGH TRANSENDENCE II T R A N C E N D E N C E IIIII IIIII III III III III IIIII IIIII T H E A F T E R L I F E Lineup: (Junglists and Househeads take notes!) Chris Fortier (Orlando) G-Wiz (Baltimore) dieselBoy (Pittsburgh) Ruffian (Pittsburgh) Groovemasta (Pittsburgh) DJ Bit/Induction (Houston/Pittsburgh) DJ Kevin (Pittsburgh) And possibly: Overload (Boston) Live PA by: 1.8.7 (Pittsburgh) Call the FUEL/Trancendence Productions Line for more info: 412.734.1467 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 31 DECEMBER Saturday MEMPHIS COMMUNICATE CCP presents : -------Communicate-------- in Memphis, December 31st, 1994 DJ's to be posted later on. Sound and ligths by Maxximum S & L Info : 901.454.9972 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 31 DECEMBER Saturday MINNEAPOLIS FUTURE the D I S C O F A M I L Y P L A N invites you into the FFFFF U U TTTTT U U RRR EEEEE F U U T U U R R E FFF U U T U U RR EEE F U U T U U R R E F UUUU T UUUU R R EEEEE december 31st in MINNEAPOLIS MN <<>> --------------------------------------------- ESP NICK NICE T-1000 HYPERACTIVE MIND DRIVE MERLIN MR. BILL E-TONES ROZ DRONE ALEX APOLLO EARTH ********************************************* much much bass +sound and atmosphere design by 4d+ 360degrees of far out light deelies +this is a pre flyer+look outside+ +special commemorative 7" record release on communique records usa "speed o light"+ the westernmost outpost of a unified midwestern tri-city celebration MPLS+CHICAGO+MILWAUKEE 6 1 2 . 9 4 6 . 5 9 3 8 NEW YEARS EVE 1994 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> a 12 hour marathon of pure fun! M I N N E A P O L I S PSCENIC seeing feelings bloom. this event enjoys support from... -generator records detroit -the order of the trance -contact records chicago -cynesthasia -drop bass records -nexxxt -communique records -underground construction records celebrating how far we've come... and how far we've yet to go -please no alcohol-peace <<------------------------------------------>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 31 DECEMBER Saturday CHICAGO PURE 9:00pm sunrise saturday december 31st new years eve chicago usa P U R E djs: REESE new york SOUL SLINGER new york MIKE HUCKABY detroit ROY DAVIS PAUL JOHNSON MYSTIC BILL GENE FARRIS EFEX DIZ DAVEY DAVE JOSH WERNER TRAXX jungle ting djs: RP SMACK SNUGGLES PHANTOM 45 info: 312.509.6453 ripe 312.604.1978 vibe alive 312.509.6334 core innovations the countdown has begun. you have been warned!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 31 DECEMBER Saturday MILWAUKEE RITUAL ATP & Drop Bass ### # ### # # # # # # # # # # # # # 6 # # # # # # # # # 6 66 ## # # # # ### # 66 # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ### # # ### NEW YEARS EVE in the hardcore capital milwaukee, wi usa 8 PM - 8 AM another twelve hour revolution hardcore & acid spinners local spinners ------------------------ -------------- damon wild tron ricky fingers fierce dan dc - new york groove astroboy - st. louis sonic happevibe live pa's frankie vega --------- dzak delta 9 madgroove astrocat - dbn records rotorboy house dj's and suprise headliner t.b.a. 100% permitted/secure/guaranteed/confirmed/blissful massive, massive, massive sound/lights/visuals three complete rooms enjoy ritual, pure, or future - support the midwest vibe 414.256.1733 414.548.1973 312.509.8068 the underground is #@$%^(! drop bass -> preflyer only <- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 14 JANUARY Saturday ATHENS ATTRACTION AtTrAcTiOn Friday, January 13. Saturday, January 14. Sunday, January 15 Athens, Ohio. at Ohio University a net.raver gathering extrordinaire. open tables, lots of schmoozing, and people!!!!!! and it's all FREE. i've had some people say they wanna spin, no problem. eveyone is invited, if you got something to share, the stage is yours. this event will happen Like This: Friday night--> ppl arrive, chill. we schmooze. Saturday afternoon--> music starts, continues all day Saturday night--> music will be turned down later that night, noise factors. schmoozing continues. Sunday--> sleep, go home, help becca clean up. :) sound good to everyone? good! :) this will be hyped up more later. i'll be in spain the whole month of december, that's why this is going out so early. *huGs* to all Becca Maslow rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu little elf :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 04 FEBRUARY Friday MEMPHIS ABDUCTION [event postponed from Friday October 21 - Craig] [and then again postponed from Friday November 18 - Craig ] CCP presents in Memphis February 4th, 1995 : *******Abduction********* DJ's to be posted later on Sound and Lights by Maxximum S&L, inc ----------------------------------------------------------------------- === MWRaves Miscellaneous =============================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- POSTS: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu REQUESTS: listserv@csd.uwm.edu FTP: hyperreal.com:/raves/mw GOPHER: hyperreal.com WWW: http://www.physics.purdue.edu/mw-raves/ VRAVE: telnet hyperreal.com 7283 IRC: #rave PROBLEMS: archon@acid.com or aragorn@csd.uwm.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------- === listserv REQUESTS =================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The REQUESTS address above takes the following commands in the body of your mail: unsub mw-raves unsubscribe sub mw-raves your_name subscribe set mw-raves mail digest get daily digested form of list instead unsub mw-raves-cal unsubscribe from calendar ONLY list sub mw-raves-cal your_name subscribe to calendar ONLY list The calendar available from the listserv@csd is _old_ and will not be updated until further notice. Please either FTP/Gopher/WWW to the above sites, or send mail to mw-raves-cal@acid.com and the current calendar will automatically be sent to you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================ bottom ================================= ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 04:56:53 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA16555; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 23:56:38 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA01185; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 22:51:42 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 22:51:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199411160447.EAA16586@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: PostScript version of calendar available X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO For those of you that don't know, I reformat the calendar w/typeset header block and reset the rest in 2 columns of 6pt compressed Monaco type so it can be printed. For example, this week's calendar is ~56 80x24 screen's worth; printed, it takes up 3 double-sided standard-sized pages. I usually print up a hundered or so each week and take them with me to parties. I've started making the PS file available, so you could maybe do the same wherever you are (or make a few and put them where everyone can see them). If you don't have PS printing capability but still want to distribute this thing in your area, get in touch with me... I'll mail you a laserprinted master each week. ..I'm not wearing pants, by the way. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 05:51:43 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA17725; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:51:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA07874; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 23:48:51 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 23:48:51 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: pmcgarty@rodin.helios.nd.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: peter mcgarty To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: mw-raves CALENDAR 11.16.94 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO isn't there suppose to be something in the i.u. area this weekend too i was looking at the calender and i see notta thing but i thought i remembered people posting about something. anyway the point is that i'll be down there this weekend sunday for the notre dame vs. indiana soccer game and i thought i'd go early on sat. so if i'm right please, please mail me some details or somethin' thanx :) peas mr. magoo From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 05:53:47 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA17770; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:53:38 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA08192; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 23:51:28 -0600 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 23:51:28 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: synergy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Bradley John Owen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: HOME X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO We would just like to take this opportunity to thank everyone who came out to Home and offer a brief explaination of what went down that night. We apologize for everyone who had to wait outside for hours and then never even got in. We wanted to see you inside just as much as you wanted to be inside. We were able to sneak people in the back door until we were stopped, but unfortunetly we couldn't get everyone in. The venue never told us that 1500 was the capacity. They deceided that 1500 was limit after the girl overdose on E, and the naked guy got hit by a car. The venue told us the police comissioner called after these incidents and that is why the police came inside to investigate, therefor causing the lights to be turned on early. They caught a lot of people with "substances" on them and said we were not living up to our contract with them because our security didn't catch these people with "substances". They said our security slacked because of this and that is their reason for shutting it down at 5:21 even though we had a contract that stated the venue was ours until 8:00 am. We are building a case against the Rainbo for all of the problems they caused that night. They harrased us both verbally and physically that night and we can only imagine what else they did. Half of our night was spent negotiating and debating with them in their office so we were not able to find out about any other wrong doing against any of you. So if you were a victim of their security please let us know by calling our voice mail (312)509-6453. We would like to get this info to our attorney ASAP, so call soon. We are going to do an event in the near future similar to Home so if you did miss it you can still experience something similar to Home, minus all of the problems. As always we will continue to press on and do what ever we can to make each event better than the last, and after Home, it seems the sky's the limit. Don't get us wrong. the talent, production, and all the beautiful people were there, it was just the unforseen problems we all had to deal with. So with that, we will say, see you next time and as always look forward to your input, and most of all thanks to all of those who continue to support positivity. Love and peace, Roger and Lori, Ripe Productions, Chi. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 06:14:22 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA18145; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 01:14:00 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA10430; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:11:53 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:11:53 -0600 Message-Id: <199411160607.AAA17949@home.interaccess.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: adamgold@interaccess.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: adamgold@interaccess.com (Adam Goldstein) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: HOME X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >They deceided that 1500 was >limit after the girl overdose on E, and the naked guy got hit by a car. Does anyone know if these two people are ok? Just a concerned citizin.... Adam "If you cannot find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect to find it?" "I dance because I am alive..." From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 06:17:12 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA18252; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 01:16:57 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA11059; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:14:34 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:14:34 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ketamine and other stuff X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I was wondering if there was a natural type of 'Prozac' that could be used while or after using MDMA. This is in concern to the fact that one becomes a bit depressed and stupid after rolling. I really don't feel like stealing my father's prozac for my needs. But, I would really like to know if there is another, legally attainable vitiman or mineral that will boost or help recover my seritonen levels.. Later John Sin Massive ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 06:34:10 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA18509; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 01:34:03 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA13681; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:32:10 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:32:10 -0600 Message-Id: <9411160651.AA12113@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sherih@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sheri Hendrickson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: better to stay at HOME then go to HOME X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO It was better for anyone who from Mpls to STAY at home than GO to HOME. My friend had her car broken into. The thief/thug broke her window to get into her car. Car thief/thug then stole around $300 of clothes and stuff from my other friend who had his duffel bag in the back seat. At the afterhour party, a group of Mpls people were detained by the police. The police was looking for one particluar person from Mpls who was there since they found a duffel bag of 6 sheets of acid, a bag of kind bud, and E in there along with his i.d. They finally found him and arrested him for "inter-state drug trafficking" along with his friend for "harboring a fugitive" for not revealing his friend caught with the drugs identity to the police. Another Mpls person was caught with drugs also at that party. I had this weird feeling that something bad at that party was going to happen. I don't know what brought on BAD vibes all the way for Vibe Alive!!!!! (timing, careless organizing, overlooking details, uptight police, etc.) Shit like this can really kill the scene. A lot of us Mpls people are very disgruntal about last weekend, Chicago's parties and promoters, and the question the future of the Midwest's scene. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 06:48:19 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA18709; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 01:48:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA14878; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:46:12 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 00:46:12 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mudd@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: SpaceFunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ?s that hit at 4:00 AM X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 14 Nov 1994, Nate Goldbaum wrote: > > > 1) Why is it that Scooby Doo could barely speak while Scrappy had perfect > > > articulative speech? > > > > Because Shaggy was lacing his "Scooby Snacks" with smack. Why do you think > all they needed to do was offer a scooby snack or two and he'd go wherever > they wanted him to? He was just the pawn of those damn (dopepusher) kids. > It is also good yo note that Shag and scoob were the only ones who ever saw the ghosts. Wonder y they were always looking for the kitchen???? __________________________________________________________________________ _ mudd@um.cc.umich.edu < > \___/ ^+ +^ ' \_/ ' "God will bless you if you belive" ] / \ [ -Eddie 'Flashin' Fowlkes \|/ (|) + + __________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 07:14:14 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA19025; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 02:14:07 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA16383; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 01:08:48 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 01:08:48 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: bileebob X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO he is also gonna be at FIASCO on the 26th...also as heckle and jeckle. i got the fliers today inna mail from DAT...looks phat and small like sho would like it... see ya there, kids ++ e d From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 07:31:52 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA19255; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 02:31:46 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA17735; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 01:21:29 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 01:21:29 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: HOME apology: thanks X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i for one thank ripe for giving us the explanation... i think my review of that party bears out the fact that it was STILL worth it so hey, ripe...it wasn't all bad. *just trying to spread sunshine* (yuck) ++ e d ps-in this case i MIGHT not rule chi out totally... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 07:50:09 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA19408; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 02:49:58 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA19204; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 01:45:05 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 01:45:05 -0600 Message-Id: <199411160744.CAA12056@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rebecca Jill Maslow To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: distances to life X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i was sitting here thinking about all the travelling we do to go from party to party, and the thought hit me that we are a very lucky bunch, because we have not had many major accidents (jj excluded here) considering the lack of sleep some of us get returning to our homes. i guess the reason i am bringing this up is because amy and i almost died the other morning getting back to cincinnati from bloomington. yup, i fell asleep, 3 times, on the road. not fun. and not safe. yes, i had a place to crash, and i should have taken advantage of it, but i didn't want to lose any time with everyone so i forewent sleep to stay up and visit. i learned my lesson. we had to be back in cincy by a certain time so we couldn't stop for a quick catnap, but i'll tell you this: very important! sleep before you drive back, wherever you are going! death is not worth it! neither is a crashed car. and amy is now learning how to drive a stick shift, so i guess we all learned something from this. anyway, i just wanted to tell everyone to be safe. *huG* -becca From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 11:28:48 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id GAA21450; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 06:28:42 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id FAA24931; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 05:19:44 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 05:19:44 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJJBLZIM4IIA20SO@BSUVC.bsu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: 00tjcrawford@bsuvc.bsu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: 00tjcrawford@bsuvc.bsu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Dr. Heckle and Mr. Jive...or something. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO A quick couple of comments... RE: Billebob. SIN prod., Indianapolis, has arranged with Billebob to Reschedule his Dec. 3rd appearance at Nocturna. Reason? - Most of the people that would want to see him will probably go to Louisville for Evolution/Teknosaurus. p.s. St. Louis' "Astroboy" will still be there this Sat. 317-895-4546 RE: Home = end of the midwest scene? What piece of SHITE!!! - Somebody wrote in and said that a couple of Minneapolis friends were busted for drugs (thanks to their own carelessness) and included that they didn't have that great of a time at Ripe's "HOME" event last Saturday in Chicago. From this, they've questioned the FUTURE....of the mid-west SCENE? RE: Driving distances. DO be very careful when trusting others and even yourself to drive back from parties. A "good friend" of mine, Bethany, had 2 (two) collisions on the way home from Utopia in Bloomington this past Saturday morn. Not from being tired, mind you; Rather she blacked out when the supossed "heroin" in her supposed "E" kicked back in while on the highway. First she sideswiped the median and actually, the details on the second one are still sketchy. An added bonus was, she was too blown to bother with a police report. Or maybe even WANT to involve the police - consequently, insurance coverage might be difficult. RE: Saying "hello". Yo Net groovers! If you're at one the same events as me this wknd, say hello. I'll be at... Fri. Supersonic Quad-Cities, Iowa Sat. Acidic Pyramid Chicago Peace `til then, Yours In the Groove, Mind of the Perpetual Vibe, --David Hollands-- --Ball State University, Muncie, IN-- 24 Hr Indy Event Info 317.899.8100 Vox @ 317.288.6277 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 14:45:58 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id JAA24361; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 09:45:50 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA08974; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:42:55 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:42:55 -0600 Message-Id: <9411161441.AA116773@student5.cl.msu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: macqueen@student.msu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Matthew S Macqueen" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: better to stay at HOME then go to HOME X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Sheri Hendrickson said: > > It was better for anyone who from Mpls to STAY at home than GO to > HOME. First off, let me disclaim: I didn't go to HOME (I wanted to though), but I've been going to parties in the midwest, mostly Detroit (and sometimes Chicago and Ohio) for several years. So I feel compelled to defend your charges against "the future of the midwest scene." > My friend had her car broken into. The thief/thug broke her window to > get into her car. Car thief/thug then stole around $300 of clothes > and stuff from my other friend who had his duffel bag in the back > seat. Welcome to a major metropolitan city, there are no break-ins in Mpls?? WHen it happens to me, I usually lose my dashboard from the crowbar used to get the stereo out, and the back deck is ripped up to get the speakers. And I thought it was common knowledge to put valuables in the trunk when in areas you're in a questionable area. . . . (if you did have a trunk...). A duffle bag on the back seat is a thief's dream. > > At the afterhour party, a group of Mpls people were detained by the > police. The police was looking for one particluar person from Mpls > who was there since they found a duffel bag of 6 sheets of acid, a > bag of kind bud, and E in there along with his i.d. They finally > found him and arrested him for "inter-state drug trafficking" along > with his friend for "harboring a fugitive" for not revealing his > friend caught with the drugs identity to the police. Another Mpls > person was caught with drugs also at that party. > > I had this weird feeling that something bad at that party was going > to happen. I don't know what brought on BAD vibes all the way for > Vibe Alive!!!!! (timing, careless organizing, overlooking details, > uptight police, etc.) > I'm not making excuses for cops, first of all. I hate them as much as anyone. But did you really expect any cop to find all that stash and just give the guy a lollipop, a hug, and send him on back to Mpls? I mean, I fail to see how this guys ignorance (CARRING 6 *SHEETS* ??) is somehow the fault of the promoters.... Sounds like stupidity on the part of your friend, I mean c'mon, his fucking I.D. was in the bag too? I'm not trying to be mean or spread ill will, but that's just plain stupid. If this person is on mw-raves they can respond to me personally... there's probably more to the story than this, I think the "harboring a fugitive" charge is ridiculous, though, I'll agree with you there. But if you're going to bring this kind of stuff to a party, *KNOWING* that there are often little drug task-force people sniffing around (and yes, they're everywhere), then BE SMART. > Shit like this can really kill the scene. A lot of us Mpls people are > very disgruntal about last weekend, Chicago's parties and promoters, > and the question the future of the Midwest's scene. Maybe it's you're friend's ignorance that's killing the scene. Maybe carrying around 6 sheets, some E, and a bag bud with you're I.D. in it is killing the scene. Maybe you complaining that your friends bust is killing the scene, that somehow the midwest SCENE is somehow, secretly contrilling the actions of the Chicago police department. SOunds like a combination of stupidity and bad luck to me, coupled with asshole cops (and you've got to assume the worst about cops, unfortunately). As for the promoters, I can't speak to that. Hey, Sheri, I'm sorry for the negativity in this post, I just hate hearing how someone's bad time is forcasting the entire "future of the Midwest's scene"... I mean, we're collectively stronger than that. --Matt MacQueen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 14:55:30 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id JAA24478; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 09:55:15 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA10573; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:51:58 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 08:51:58 -0600 Message-Id: <199411161451.GAA24218@taz.hyperreal.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: abennett@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Bennett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: better to stay at HOME then go to HOME X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Sheri Hendrickson said :: > > My friend had her car broken into. The thief/thug broke her window to > get into her car. Car thief/thug then stole around $300 of clothes > and stuff from my other friend who had his duffel bag in the back > seat. So the bag was in view? In Chicago? Tsk tsk. No wonder it got stolen. Folks, when in the big cities, CLEAN OUT the inside of your car. Anything that might look suspicious or interesting to Joe Schmoe with a crowbar is just asking for it. > > At the afterhour party, a group of Mpls people were detained by the > police. The police was looking for one particluar person from Mpls > who was there since they found a duffel bag of 6 sheets of acid, a > bag of kind bud, and E in there along with his i.d. They finally > found him and arrested him for "inter-state drug trafficking" along > with his friend for "harboring a fugitive" for not revealing his > friend caught with the drugs identity to the police. Another Mpls > person was caught with drugs also at that party. Was this duffel bag the one that was stolen from the car? Anyways, if you guys haven't noticed it, it looks as though the Authorities are stepping up an investigation. Remember that anonymous post about the DEA in Nashville? Think about it. Could the Milwaukee party Ellen told us about be related? Sure. I wouldn't be suprised if the 'rave' scene is being investigated. Look at the manpower that has been put behind the Dead-Head scene lately. One may find striking similiarities. I think that ever since the dealings at JJ's super wonderful Interstellar Outback (in which probably every Kentucky cop knew about us being in town that weekend) things have been skewed against us. > Shit like this can really kill the scene. A lot of us Mpls people are > very disgruntal about last weekend, Chicago's parties and promoters, > and the question the future of the Midwest's scene. Uh, I don't think so. Look, if you people carry substances of various natures on you at raves, or anywhere, you better be content to live up with the consequences of doing so. Getting caught for doing something that is illegal is no basis to play "Taps" for the scene. Sure, Chicago has had it's problems, relating to venues, promoters, and the like. But if you pin the occurences you and your friends have encountered on the entire mid-west, that's kinda out of touch. Nate Goldbaum's post the other day hit the nail on the head. Remember folks, this is a public forum here. Your messages travel all over the mid-west, and are viewed around the globe. Admonitions about drug use and preferences may be a extreme risk these days, seeing that just about anyone can run down to their software store and buy "Internet in a Box" kit, plug in, do some surfing, and read ALL the list mail you've sent lately. In summary, be careful, and think a little. Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 16:26:27 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA26094; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:26:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA28569; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:22:33 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:22:33 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: .ps version of calendar X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO The following is for Craig S. Craig, I can't seem to get messages directly to acid.com from time to time. I get time-out errors because I'm posting from a very 'live' net site. So, here goes... > > For those of you that don't know, I reformat the calendar w/typeset header > > block and reset the rest in 2 columns of 6pt compressed Monaco type so it > > can be printed. For example, this week's calendar is ~56 80x24 screen's > > worth; printed, it takes up 3 double-sided standard-sized pages. Why don't you place the .ps version in the incoming/mw-raves area of hyperreal.com so it's relatively available to net.savvy folk. Isn't there already a directory for calendar-related stuff there? - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 17:14:05 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA27199; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:13:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA11757; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:10:27 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:10:27 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJJMHH0YQQQPITLN@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Bradley 'Ramylson' Butzke" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Once again.. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Sorry about this everyone, but for some reason the mailer wanted to be difficult. From: IN%"MAILER-DAEMON@csd.uwm.edu" "Mail Delivery Subsystem" 16-NOV-1994 02:48:35.60 To: IN%"BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu" CC: Subj: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1 This is a MIME-encapsulated message --CAA12345.784975559/batch1.csd.uwm.edu The original message was received at Wed, 16 Nov 1994 02:45:58 -0600 from root@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.8.201] ----- The following addresses had delivery problems ----- "|/usr/csd/stf/listserv/catmail -L MW-RAVES -f" (unrecoverable error) (expanded from: ) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 554 "|/usr/csd/stf/listserv/catmail -L MW-RAVES -f"... unknown mailer error 1 ----- Original message follows ----- --CAA12345.784975559/batch1.csd.uwm.edu Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (root@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.8.201]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id CAA12344 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 02:45:58 -0600 Received: from MAPLE.ucs.uwplatt.edu (maple.ucs.uwplatt.edu [137.104.128.176]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id CAA21171 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 02:45:57 -0600 Received: from uwplatt.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #4908) id <01HJJ2V85J4GQPIV7Z@uwplatt.edu>; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 02:05:16 CST Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 02:05:16 -0600 (CST) From: "Bradley 'Ramylson' Butzke" Subject: Be Grateful (a review) To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Message-id: <01HJJ2V86LPEQPIV7Z@uwplatt.edu> X-VMS-To: MWRAVES MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Even though this is late once again, I thought I would say a few words for Force Productions (as well as that bloody Irishman) on thier recent event, 'Be Grateful'. I promise, I'll make it as short as possible.. We left Platteville around 3:00pm on Saturday for Grinnell, right after we convinced Ryan into coming along with Keokee and myself. We left, immediately making the plan that we'll just stop at the first Taco Bell that we come to, within our trek to Iowa. Let me just say this.. there isn't one Taco Bell between Platteville and Grinnell. Sure, a lot of Taco Johns (nowhere close to Taco Bell) and Dairy Queens, but not a single Taco Bell. Well, since we wouldn't setting for anything else, we didn't eat a damned thing until we were in Grinnell, and then we had to settle for a Taco Johns and a Hardees. Oh well, at least we were able to scam them for a lot of soda with thier free soda deal, not to mention that Taco Johns had the raddest poster. It was a huge shot of a taco supreme, saying, "taco supreme.. 'nough said." Wow, what a sales plot. We then proceded to go to Tigger's pad where everyone was just sitting around, doing nothing in particular, so we went down to the sight where we played Bummble Soccer (tm), as well as talked about just everything immaginable. It was also rather interesting to watch Tigger pacing about the sound not being there, etc. Heehee.. I also got Elmo back (thanks Sho!). Well, to make a long story short, pretty soon, the time was at hand for everything to start, and the sound still wasn't there, but Niall and Tigger were able to get a back up, so Shawn did his set. It was really good, but it's to bad that he didn't get to do it on the main system, because just as he was finishing, Pixel arrived with the sound. They set up quick, and it was great. Everything was great, the lights, the sound, the people. I was amazed at all of the people there from Grinnell. I can't stress how liberal that school is. It was neat getting so many people there just to see what it was like. My friend Ryan was next and I personally thought things went well. Then there was Sho, need I say more. I'm tell you, this boy should get to do more events. All I can say is wow. The floor was packed, and that continued right through StevenJ's set. Another really good set, but this is what I don't get. Suddenly, everyone vanished. It was like, the clock struck a certain hour, and poof.. everyone was a mouse again. Next came Pixel, and I just have to say that everyone missed something good. Then Tigger and Niall's tag team, my set, the Disco/Gabber beats, and finally Dacc. It was neat, everyone was so good. Another cool thing is that someone from the third floor came down, saying that Tigger should give it up and that her bed was rat- tling, and she wanted everyone to leave and for Tigger to turn things down. Let's just say that I gave her a piece of my mind, and she just walked away playing that she was the all-mighty. Well, she disserved it. If your interested, just ask Tigger. I'm sure he'll tell you. We left half way through the Disco/Gabber tag team, and drove all the way back to Platteville that night. Overall, I thought that everyone and everything was great. This is just something that everyone has to experience because everything is so "tight", like we really are family. You can bet that I'll be there again for the next event. :> Props to everyone I met, I'm sure I'll forget someone, but you're all the best. There, I kept it short.. happy? Peace out, Ramylson ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' "In music the passions enjoy 608.342.3196 themselves." F. Neitzsche Fun House Productions ________________________________________________________________________________ --CAA12345.784975559/batch1.csd.uwm.edu-- Return-path: <> Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by uwplatt.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #4908) id <01HJJ572EPZ4QPIV5T@uwplatt.edu>; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 02:47:31 CST Received: from localhost (localhost) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with internal id CAA12345; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 02:45:59 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 02:45:59 -0600 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: unknown mailer error 1 To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Message-id: <199411160845.CAA12345@batch1.csd.uwm.edu> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="CAA12345.784975559/batch1.csd.uwm.edu" Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' "In music the passions enjoy 608.342.3196 themselves." F. Neitzsche Fun House Productions ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 17:37:37 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA27737; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:37:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA18558; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:34:16 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:34:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199411161729.LAA02067@home.interaccess.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: adamgold@interaccess.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: adamgold@interaccess.com (Adam Goldstein) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: better to stay at HOME then go to HOME X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hate to say it, but i agree with matt here...blaming a city and it's promotors on a break-in and a drug bust seems kinda unfair to me...Listen...I know Chicago has had it's share of problems lately, but we have a strong scene here...i guess i'm feeling a little defensive, here, but i'm a little tired of posts that say, "well, that party sucked, I guess Chicago really does suck, i'm NEver making the mistake of going back there..." I'm not making any excuses, but, hey...i know too many good people here to just sit back and not defend... >Hey, Sheri, I'm sorry for the negativity in this post, I just hate hearing how >someone's bad time is forcasting the entire "future of the Midwest's scene"... >I mean, we're collectively stronger than that. > >--Matt MacQueen Adam "If you cannot find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect to find it?" "I dance because I am alive..." From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 18:15:34 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA28614; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:14:50 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA27274; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:08:35 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:08:35 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jwelch@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MrJP To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: HOME X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Wed, 16 Nov 1994, Adam Goldstein wrote: > > >They deceided that 1500 was > >limit after the girl overdose on E, and the naked guy got hit by a car. > > Does anyone know if these two people are ok? Just a concerned citizin.... > > Adam > "If you cannot find the truth right where you are, where else do you expect > to find it?" > "I dance because I am alive..." > > Does anyone know who the girl was........ MrJP From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 19:00:45 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA29805; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:00:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA08342; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:56:57 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:56:57 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: synergy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Bradley John Owen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Looking for Folks to Swap tapes with... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I'm looking for folks to swap cassettes with...here's some of what I have...off the top of my head. Sven Vath (UK Bootleg Number Two) Westbam (Live at Obsession) Josh Wink - R. Hawtin (Live in Milwaukee, USA) DJ Nick Nice (Live at the Queen, Paris) DJ Nick Nice (Live on Radio Moscow, Russia) DJ Nick Nice (French Invasions One and Two) Laurent Garnier (Live at Universe) Dave Angel (Live) Danny Tengalia (Underground News Mixes) DJ Hell (Studio Mix) Efex (Live at Pure - Chicago) Efex (Studio Mix 93) GrooveRider (Live at the Edge) Mickey Finn w/ MC GQ (Live) DJ Nick Nice (Live on FG 98.2 Paris) DJ TheeO (Los Angeles - Mission To Mars III) DJ TheeO (Los Angeles - Synthetic/Organic) DJ TheeO (Los Angeles - CyberSex) Mind Drive (Live at Rapture) DJ Hyperactive Volume Four (Chicago) Terry Mullan (Chicago - Live at Momentum) DJ Dan (LA) - Jolly House Jams Terry Mullan - New School Fusion (Chicago) Josh Werner - Jango House (Chicago Underground) Traxx (Chicago Underground) Jerome Pacman w/ DJ Armand (Live - Paris) Mr. Bill vs. Jedidiah the Messiah (Milwaukee Drop Bass Terror Unit) DRC (San Francisco) Brad Synergy Quadrasonic Promotions Massive Magazine From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 19:34:16 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA00706; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:34:07 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA16286; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:31:07 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:31:07 -0600 Message-Id: <199411161933.OAA00387@london.physics.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sho@physics.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sho Kuwamoto To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: dinner in indy on thursda X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, skimmy, I, and some other people would like to gather in indianpolis for dinner. We're meeting at Bazbeaux's in broadripple at 7pm. You are all invited, but I encourage you to RSVP at this account so we know who is coming and who is not. Kyle? Devin? Pat? Others? -Sho -- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm having for lunch! Sho Kuwamoto. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 19:49:29 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA01018; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 14:49:08 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA19817; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:44:31 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 13:44:31 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MiCKeY HoNMyHR To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: distances to life X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I have to agree with becca on this post.....i too have driven home from raves and literally fell asleep for up to 30 sec. luckily i was in iowa so the road was strait . however, i held not only my life, but also the lives of the people i was with, and other drivers on the road, at stake. i learned that sleep really is important. even if just a few hours. if you are returning from a trip and have to be back by a certain time remember this- it's better to get there late than to not get there at all cuz your dead. please be careful. i know sometimes i think i am a superhuman and can handle it, but then reality hits. we really are lucky that we are all safe, healthy and alive. i love ya'll oodles and oodles mouse ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- M I C K E Y H O N M Y H R "fargo, finals and this friggin wind- enough to drive ANYONE into corkness" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 21:12:48 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA02922; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:12:32 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA11270; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 15:07:25 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 15:07:25 -0600 Message-Id: <9411162105.AA15511@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aw975794@oak.cats.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Amy Waldowski To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Looking for Folks to Swap tapes with... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hi! i read your post and i saw that you want to swap tapes but i don't have too many to actually swap, so i was wondering if i could either buy or dub some? all i have are two of tron(chicago) and some tapes friends made. let me know, okay? later alligator! :) amy From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 21:56:45 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA04514; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:56:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA22792; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 15:51:54 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 15:51:54 -0600 Message-Id: <199411162150.PAA22455@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: S987071@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Catherina Willard To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: free love vs. PLUR X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i don't want to get into all the hairy philosophical, historical, sociological stuff that is being tossed around on the subject, but i would like to say one thing on the topic... i think that PLUR is what makes it possible for me to have instantly gratifying sex with another raver... we love and respect each other on that higher plain and i know that once we've both cum, we'll still love and respect each other. i think i've had enough "gratifying" experiences at and after raves to say this. honestly, i've never gotten into any messy emotional tangles or awkward attempts at conversation the next time i see someone who i've "been" with. PLUR insures this security. personal opinion based on personal experience... Trina From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 22:24:09 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA05526; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:23:39 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA00909; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:16:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:16:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199411162215.QAA00678@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: LLDAVIS@ucs.indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: LLDAVIS@ucs.indiana.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: prozac X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i spen t about six months on a similar drug, paxil, which has numerous side effects, including dizziness, shakes when you yawn, terminal sleepiness, and loss of fluids. when i first began, i felt incredible a for a little while, and even increased energy, but after a few months, i found myself needing twleve or more hours of sleep each night just to function. three months ago, i took myself off of it and quit seeing my shrink because i didn't think that either of these procedures were helping me. i feel so much better now than i ever felt on paxil. i don't know about all the other anti-depressants, but i know that many of them have similar affecvts (oops, effects). some of them make you lose your appetite, or (paxil does this) eliminates your sex drive, or kills the urge for just certain foods, like carbohydrates. I was limitted to advil as the only medication i could take while on paxil. most drug interactions just nullify the drug, but some, like acid, can actually lead to hemmoraging. look at the drugs carefully before agreeing to be on them for any amopunt of time. --L From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 22:32:50 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA06009; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:32:35 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA04369; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:27:30 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:27:30 -0600 Message-Id: <9411162224.AA14947@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: toddo@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: toddo@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Todd O'Boyle) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Wiley Cafe too X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hi all, I am here today to invite you, your friends, and anything else you know to ----=WILEY CAFE TWOOO=---- Fun for all, games, and anything else you want, just no smoking:) DJS SOYSOS MISFIT LOLLIPOP SAURIN (new kiddd, spinnin club house, good guy) MikEE NOAH much much more! More net ravers here than in my butt, and thats a lot! its worth the drive, so come on down to the hodown in Indiana... see you there!!!!!! -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ | toddo@expert.cc.purdue.edu || We are the children of the future, | | Todd O'Boyle || respect our gift...... | | Purdue University || | | School of Liberal Arts || More to come...:^) | | Pre-Communications Freshman || Hugs and SmoooOOOOOoooooches to ya! | \/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 22:36:46 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA06181; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:36:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA05668; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:32:21 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:32:21 -0600 Message-Id: <199411162231.RAA29781@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rebecca Jill Maslow To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Pat's Birthday! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Guess what everyone!!!! Tomorrow is Pat Hall's birthday! He'll be 19, so everyone give him a special wish, ok? *giggle* i love you pat. =) -becca btw, indy ppl. hope you had fun at the pizza thingy. Pat, you better have gone! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 22:46:15 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA06522; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:46:00 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA08131; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:41:54 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:41:54 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: HOME X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Wed, 16 Nov 1994, Adam Goldstein wrote: > > >They deceided that 1500 was > >limit after the girl overdose on E, and the naked guy got hit by a car. > > Does anyone know if these two people are ok? Just a concerned citizin...> > Ada > you also forgot to mention the fact that saj was mugged and stabbed... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 22:47:19 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA06564; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:47:07 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA08701; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:43:49 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:43:49 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: graflin@iac.net Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Anthony Cosco To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ketamine and other stuff X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Wed, 16 Nov 1994, John Thomas Drefahl wrote: > I was wondering if there was a natural type of 'Prozac' that could be > used while or after using MDMA. This is in concern to the fact that one > becomes a bit depressed and stupid after rolling. I really don't feel > like stealing my father's prozac for my needs. But, I would really like > to know if there is another, legally attainable vitiman or mineral that > will boost or help recover my seritonen levels.. Later > > John Sin Massive > I have used L-Tyrosine the past two times i have rolled(after i come down), and have felt no depression. You can find it in any health food/vitamin store. Anthony Cosco graflin@iac.net From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 22:56:03 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA07000; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:55:45 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA10846; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:51:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:51:11 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Wiley Cafe too (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO @mtech.csd.uwm.edu X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 207 Forwarded message: > From: toddo@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Todd O'Boyle) > I am here today to invite you, your friends, and anything else you know to > ----=WILEY CAFE TWOOO=---- When and where? - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 22:59:29 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA07095; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:59:20 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA11822; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:54:47 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:54:47 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: WILEY TWOO X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Forwarded message: > > From: toddo@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Todd O'Boyle) > > I am here today to invite you, your friends, and anything else you know to > > ----=WILEY CAFE TWOOO=---- When and where? - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 23:17:50 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA07879; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:17:26 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA07626; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:39:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:39:56 -0600 Message-Id: <199411162236.RAA00424@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rebecca Jill Maslow To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Wiley Cafe too X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > > Hi all, > I am here today to invite you, your friends, and anything else you know to > ----=WILEY CAFE TWOOO=---- > > Fun for all, games, and anything else you want, just no smoking:) > > DJS > SOYSOS > MISFIT > LOLLIPOP > SAURIN (new kiddd, spinnin club house, good guy) > MikEE > NOAH > much much more! > > More net ravers here than in my butt, and thats a lot! > > its worth the drive, so come on down to the hodown in Indiana... > Todd, when is this? and... is that Juggler? noah's coming back to the midwest?????? yay!!! i wanna see him! -becca From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 16 23:39:19 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA08822; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:38:46 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA20014; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:24:03 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 17:24:03 -0600 Message-Id: <199411162323.RAA19769@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: beatpunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ketamine and other stuff X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Jon SiN Massive queried: >I was wondering if there was a natural type of 'Prozac' that could be >used while or after using MDMA. This is in concern to the fact that one >becomes a bit depressed and stupid after rolling. I really don't feel >like stealing my father's prozac for my needs. But, I would really like >to know if there is another, legally attainable vitiman or mineral that >will boost or help recover my seritonen levels.. Later And on a related note, I have some Prozac from about two years ago - if I was to take it now, would it have broken down due to chemical instability (or something like that) by now, or is it still OK? ---------------------------beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu------------------------------ "And the further I get from the things that I care about The less I care about how much further away I get" -Robert Smith From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 00:19:28 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA10528; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:19:03 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA29684; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:16:54 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:16:54 -0600 Message-Id: <199411170016.SAA24321@audumla.students.wisc.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prastowo@students.wisc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: prastowo@students.wisc.edu (Andi P.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: yet more home.. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO sorry to bring up this HOME subject again, but i just wanted to say that i had a real fun time and i feel bad that people had to be turned away at the door. I think that the promoters barely broke even on this one, but Im not sure about that (Roger?). I missed bein' busted at the after-party by some minutes (phew), but I heard that Billy (mystic bill) was arrested. does anyone know if this is true? i think that it would be utter bullshit if he was. on a different aspect of the party, my freinds and i couldn't figure out who was the DJ in the second room in the wheelchair. we thought it was Derrick Carter at first, but i think we later saw him with Miles and others (sans wheelchair). IMO this dj threw DOWN and i couldn't help but boogie my butt off. anyways, just my $.02 on the deal...i saw many people that i care about that i hadn't seen in a long time and that made me happy (hi gretchen! =) and that Carl Craig...beyond words of mine..besides the shit.. Andi P. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 00:35:10 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA11035; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:34:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA03266; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:31:59 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:31:59 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: lhsimmon@artsci.wustl.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Leigh H. Simmons" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: woowoo.. another one of THOSE... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO yes.. this is another one of those shameless sex and rave posts... heheh while reading this last entry in the third most talked about subject on mw-raves (the first: raves/and those little happy substances ... the second: where can all of us budding djs buy a pair of used 1200's? ) i decided to give my 2 and 3/4 cents on the matter..... with each new personal interaction, be it smoochin or sex or talkin on da phone, the other person brings with them their own ideals, experiences and eccentricities... now the question is... no matter how much you love and respect your partner, no matter how much PLUR you feel toward them... how can you be sure they feel the same? maybe their personal experiences don't allow them to have instantly grattifiying sex with out any deep residual emotional attachment... while you can enjoy the sex for what it's worth...make sure that your partner understands your intent.. if you are the only one with da PLUR... then.. you are shit outta luck... sorry to be so negative... but all i'm sayin is use your noggin b4 you suck face... heheh :) 'nuff said! *hugs* devil girl From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 00:35:19 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA11044; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:34:53 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA03427; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:32:35 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:32:35 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJK25JP042QPIWTD@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Bradley 'Ramylson' Butzke" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Delete at will. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Test. Ramylson ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' "In music the passions enjoy 608.342.3196 themselves." F. Neitzsche Fun House Productions ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 00:57:27 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA00350; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:57:08 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA05975; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:43:34 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:43:34 -0600 Message-Id: <199411170042.SAA05747@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: believe@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: xlarge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: acidic pyrimid X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO is anybody from the milwaukee area going to acidic.p?? if so is there any possibility that you could fit me in your car, truck, van, or moped?? thanx, xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu what did you bring me daddy? well i brought you, death...... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 01:01:22 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA00519; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:01:07 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA08470; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:58:20 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:58:20 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Delerium (Toronto) Dec. 10th (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey all, this party sounds incredible...just wanted to see if there was any other intrest in trekkin up to canada next month...its the week of finals, but dammit we can study in the car/bus/train/plane(?) whatever our mode of transportation ends up being... gretchen e blount ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 15:42:42 -0500 (EST) From: Jason W. King To: breaks@xmission.com, agianni@acsu.buffalo.edu Subject: Delerium (Toronto) Dec. 10th Here is more info on Delerium's next party in Toronto. Saturday December 10th, 1994 D E L E R I U M proudly presents our two year anniversary L O S T I N T H E J U N G L E PART THREE (the point of no return) info-line 416.760.3273 Live from London England: Dj Ellis Dee Dj Randall M.C. Dr. No Straight from Detroit: Mike Huckaby Controlling Tings: Medicine Muffin Ruffneck Jungle PhD. Marcus Sniper Dj H20 HRDCRU Ruff Rida Mystical Influence Unknown Pleasures M.C.'s Special K. and EZ M.C. Hard Progressive Vibes: Kevin Williams Kenny Glasgow Mark Oliver John E. Algorhythm Dominik Dr. Trance Dj Cube Chill Dj Q Delerium touched down for the first time in December 1992. Our main purpose was to create a party that featured 100% homegorwn 'ardcore junglism. Since then we have held 11 events and they keep getting bigger and better. If you have yet to experience a Delerium event, you're in for a special treat. Delerium returns once again to bring you the sounds of U.K. Jungle on our new and improved BOOMbastic soundsystems. Come witness the return of the wheazilizard and his giant screen video art. In order to enhance your musical experience we will transform the venue into an authentic jungle. In order to fully represent jungle at it's best we present to you London Englands finest Jungle Dj, Randall alongside the uplifting and happy hardcore sounds of Ellis Dee. Come and celebrate with us, two years of raving jungle music. Don't forget your whistles, horns and lighters because the Delerium Crew is is going to Brock out the place. --Marcus --------------------------------------------------------[snip]---------------- posted by jay From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 01:02:40 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA00559; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:02:18 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA08827; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:59:54 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:59:54 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: milwacky X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 14 Nov 1994, Lucas Jay Zimmer wrote: > least the cops aren't as big of FUCKS as they are here. I think the only > thing I have noticed as a positive affect from the well-loved MPD is that > there is an ABUNDANCE of cute girlie cops.... I mean this in an entirely > fantisizical way... Come on, am I the only guy who thinks about this? I > mean, I'd rather, you know, get the old 'body cavity search' or what not > from one of Milwaukee's Female Finest than, say that big spooky-monster > bitch (not meant to be demeaning to women- she WAS a bitch) that pulled > me and Cody over at the Deee-Lite show.... SOMEONE side with me here- Has > anybody here enjoyed a nice, thorough FRISK from a cop of the opp? I > guess most of the females here would have considered it sexual > harrassment- which is probly true- but for guys (er, at least for me) it > is much different. > > God, where the hell was I going?..... Oh, yeah. Forget about all that > lady cop stuff. Yeah Ellen, only from the mine of the man himself, Matt Bonde ;) John SiN Massive... If there weren't people who thought like him, things like that would just have been overlooked by normal people like us.. Yer great matt. later ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 01:09:04 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA00686; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:08:39 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA10110; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:06:09 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:06:09 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: better to stay at HOME then go to HOME X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I don't know, but I really don't feel sorry for those who get caught with the large ammounts of drugs. I mean, they are in the business, they should know the consequences. That is it. I can see how it could totally kill the vibe though. I just wish that we would all, take a step back, observe our mistakes, and then do everything a little more careful the next time. I kinda am doing this now.. Just some advice... It just seems we got so sloppy in the past month or so.. John Sin Massive ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 01:23:12 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA01064; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:22:40 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA12469; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:19:36 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:19:36 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Lil' Suzy - 11.25.94 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO In The Milwaukee Area, on 11.25.94, D.C.P. Presents: - Lil' Suzy! - ---------------------------------------- Headlining is LIL SUZY herself - LIVE! ---------------------------------------- and if you thought that was it, NO! there's MORE coming out of chicago's ACABANDO PRODUCTION will be: Tony 'Boom Boom' Badea - Mixing the latest in Freestyle, house, underground, and acid jazy. Also spinning! Baby Boy - D.C.P. Dj Quick Mixx - Tyme 4 Some Akison Robert 'the Rox' Perez - HTMIX Prod. Calling out all Tagging Crews! There will be a battle to prove who's the best! - $100.00 to the winners, call 414.224.6673 leave a message Party will be held at the SERB HALL located at 5101 W. Oklahoma Ave. Milwaukee, Wi For info call - 414.224.6673 _------------------------------------------------------_ Just thought some of you might be interested.. Later JOhn, Sin, Massive ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 01:55:43 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA01767; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:55:20 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA17440; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:45:30 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:45:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199411170144.UAA21371@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: atannehi@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Cameron Tannehill To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: after E cure! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO There is a legal, easily available substance you can get called St. John's Wort, it replenishes serotonin levels in your brain which MDMA can deplete... just ask your local pharmacist about it--I'm not sure who carries St. John's Wort. There is another drug available from InterLab in the U.K. that repairs the kind of minor cell damage the MDMA causes, but I can't remeber its name. I'll post later with InterLab's address and the chemical's name. I'm not positive but I believe that this substance is hard to get in the US unless you have a license, most likely because it fixes what MDMA breaks-- the FDA, and DEA have a problem with that i guess. later! -Mistic btw... If one takes vitamins such as B12 and C before a party, or at a party in the form of smart drinks, it will make the E "withdrawl" a little less cloudy. There are many chemicals available that will do this, most legit Smart Drink companies offer them in thier drinks, but as above, my memory fails me. `'*._.*'`'*._.*'`'*._.*'`'*._.*'`'*._.*'`'*._.*'`'*._.*'`'*._.*'`'*._.*'` m i s t i c "music says things that words cannot...that is why it is not entirely human" -St. Colombe atannehi@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 01:57:39 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA01849; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:57:05 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA18761; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:51:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:51:56 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: barnetjr@ucunix.san.uc.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jenifer A Barnett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: ketamine and other stuff X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Wed, 16 Nov 1994, John Thomas Drefahl wrote: > I was wondering if there was a natural type of 'Prozac' that could be > used while or after using MDMA. This is in concern to the fact that one > becomes a bit depressed and stupid after rolling. I really don't feel > like stealing my father's prozac for my needs. But, I would really like > to know if there is another, legally attainable vitiman or mineral that > will boost or help recover my seritonen levels.. Later > > John Sin Massive There are several ways to avoid the day after hangover. Prozac is not one of them. The reason you feel better after taking prozac is that it inhibits the brake down of seritonin at the neuroreceptor site, causing overstimulation. To replace your seritonin, eat foods which contain high levels of tryptophan, like milk. Do this after you come down. Also, phenylalanine, B-5 and C are excellent therapies for E hangovers. By preparing ahead, you can eliminate most problems. Also the night of the event, drink lots of smart drinks, Fast Blast or some other phenylalanine drink such as my Body Slam as well as choline and dmae drinks. Do not use ginseng. Ginseng is a great natural tonic but its bio-actions interfer with your E. peace tim ImSmartRU/evolution Ps don't forget teknosaurus dec 3 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 01:59:46 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA01944; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:59:20 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA19614; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:57:06 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 19:57:06 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJK3US3RMGQPIR08@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: HOEL@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: HOEL@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: The last month or so... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO John Sin Massive said: "It seems that we have gotten sloppy in the last month or so." Well folks, I don't know about you but I agree with this... I mean this was such a good year until like a few months ago... with respect to big parties that is... But I don't think that we should all dispair... Let's do what John said and take a step back and really look at our scene... I remember a time ago to when people were talking about the death of the midwest scene... I believe it was about a year ago... I had gone to my first rave (Biofunk) and my friend got a copy of Reactor and I was reading some of the letters to the editor and they were talking about hte end of the scene and how (chicagoans) should forget about Wisconsin... When I was reading this I was sort of depressed cuz I had just started to get into the scene and I really wanted to spend some time with it... Well the beginning of 1994 was rad... there were a lot of parties... the vibe at all the parties I went to was excellant.. The scene became recognized world wide... Just a couple of months ago the calander for the midwest was full of events that were happening each weekend.... there were sometimes 5 or more events per weekend... Our scene really is Massive.... But the last couple of months there has been a few "mistakes" made... unfortunatly a few people had unfortunate things happen to them... we all should keep these misfortunes in the back of our minds when we go out this weekend... But I tell you this... our scene is not dying... it is getting to a point of transition... I believe that this transition will make our scene so much more better and stronger... The last three or four weekends I have gone to Indiana, Green Bay for raves done by people on the net... I'll say that I have had the best times at these events... especially at Xanadu... The net ravers that I danced with there totally made the vibe... I also have gone to small parties in Madison (the one thrown by Andi P.) and in Iowa (Tigger's rad party)... I'll tell you this is where it is at... Our scene is much more diverse than Milwaukee and Chicago and the super big events... there is so much out there... I agree with Sho when he said that each type of event has itsplace and it's true... I remember events in Milwaukee and Madison where when I turned around from the speaker and looked out and saw tons of kids having as much fun as I was... it made me feel sort of funny... it is the best kind of bonding there is... Or at least I can't think of anything better... I don't know how many of you read Massive, but if you ever read Nick Nice's articles, he said that the events held there in France have left the big cities like paris and were being held in smaller towns... Is this what is happening to our scene... I won't preach and tell you what we should do, I will say that there is something left... if it is not totally apparent, it will be revealed... We must not let this great thing we have die... If it wasn't for the weekend and the events I go to, my life would be pretty mundane... I will go to Chicago this weekend... It'll be my first time going to a party there... I am sort of afraid of big cities...Our scene is so rad that even Hardfloor will come to perform here... Let's all hope for a good weekend and maybe the reserection of our scene.... And hopefully no cops... Well that is all from me... Ryan WH Guess what us Platteville ravers figured out... ***************************************************************************** * "For all that is movable and changeable* * HOEL@uwplatt.edu and capable of defect must be traced * * back to an immovable first principle."* * Ryan Wesley Hoel - Thomas Aquinas * * * * Fun House Productions "We are uncorrupt and tolerably enlightened * * judges of the transactions of the past ages; * * :> :> :> :> :> :> :> where no passions decieve, and where the whole* * train of circumstances from the trifling cause* * 608 342 3169(ask for Eric) to the tragical event, is set in an orderly * * shoe size: 9 1/2 series before us." * * - Edmund Burke * ***************************************************************************** From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 02:14:24 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA02580; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 21:13:53 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA22538; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:11:16 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:11:16 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: barnetjr@ucunix.san.uc.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jenifer A Barnett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: prozac X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Once more for all those folks interested in prozac and other antidepressants. 2 grams a day of phenylalanine along with deprynyl (not necessary but helpful) will problable cure you of your depression symptoms, not the depression itself. But in any case consult with your physician if you can find one worth a damn. I know firsthand from classes with med students that 99% of doctors are complete idiots. so good luck finding a helpful doctor and peace out tim ImSmartRU/Evolution From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 02:15:30 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA02611; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 21:15:04 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA23263; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:13:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:13:11 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: synergy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Bradley John Owen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: yet more home.. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO The DJ in the wheelchair was none other than Paul Johnson of "Welcome To The Warehouse" fame. brad From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 02:20:10 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA02724; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 21:19:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA23846; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:16:07 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:16:07 -0600 Message-Id: <9411170214.AA22615@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jwalden@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: jwalden@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Jay-Sun) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Pat's Birthday! (_long_) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Happy Birthday, Pat!!! ## # ## # #################################### #################################### #################################### #################################### ## ## # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## # #################################### #################################### #################################### #################################### ## # ## # ## ## ### ####### ## ##### ##### ## #### ## ##### ## ##### ## ##### ## ######### ## ############## ## ############### ################ ############### ## ############### ################# ############# ########## ##### ## ## ## # ## # #################################### #################################### #################################### #################################### ## ## # ## # ## # ## # ## ## ## ## #### #### ############## ############ ######## #### ## # ## # #################################### #################################### #################################### #################################### ## ## # ## # ## # ## # ## ## ## ## #### #### ############## ############ ######## #### # # #### ###### ########## ############ ## ############ # ## ############ # ########################## ######################## #################### #################### ## ##### ##### # #### # ##### ## # # ## # ## # #################################### #################################### #################################### #################################### ## ## # ## ## # ## ## # ## ## # ## ## ## ## ### ## ### ###### #### ###### ##### ############## ################# ############ ############### ######## ########### #### ## # ## # #################################### #################################### #################################### #################################### ## # ## # ## # #################################### #################################### #################################### #################################### ## ###### # ######## # ########### # ############## # ## ########### ## ## ## ########### ## ## ########### #### #### ######## ############## ##### ############ ## ######## ## #### ####### ####### ### ## # # ## # #################################### #################################### #################################### #################################### ## # # # ## #### ####### ## # ## # #################################### #################################### #################################### #################################### ## ## # ## ## ## ## ## ## ## # #################################### #################################### #################################### #################################### ## # ## # ## # ## # #################################### #################################### #################################### #################################### ## # ## # ## ## ### ## ## ### ### ### ##### ###### ########## ######### ############################ ####################### ################## ## ## ### ####### ## ##### ##### ## #### ## ##### ## ##### ## ##### ## ######### ## ############## ## ############### ################ ############### ## ############### ################# ############# ########## ##### ## ## # # #### ###### ########## ############ ## ############ # ## ############ # ########################## ######################## #################### #################### ## ##### ##### # #### # ##### ## # # __ ....... .:' `:. jwalden@expert.cc.purdue.edu :' `: bluenote@arbornet.org :. .:: .--.---.------------------------------------------- ::::......::::: : : : ::::( 9 )::::': `.__.'__.'__________________________________________ `:`:::::::' :' "Money won is twice as sweet as money earned." `:. .:' -Fast Eddie Felson `:::::::' From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 02:22:17 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA02783; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 21:21:50 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA24524; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:18:59 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:18:59 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: barnetjr@ucunix.san.uc.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jenifer A Barnett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: The last month or so... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well i don't believe that the scene is in any trouble, chicago is going thu a tough time but its happened before and chicago came back better than ever. St louis is back in the house (pun intended. Events are goin off everywhere. And best of all Louisville is slammin :-). My past two evolutions have gone great, ie. no problems, stoppages, no shows, ect. Everything promised has been delivered. The attendence has been great and louisville is finally developing a solid scene, albiet it is still in its infancy but it has been wonderful watching the scene here blossom. peace tim ImsmartRU/Evolution From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 03:01:11 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA04052; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 22:00:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA01020; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:58:38 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:58:38 -0600 Message-Id: <24111620581270@vms.macc.wisc.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: YUSEF@macc.wisc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "JOSEPH P. BAGDONAS" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Delerium roadtrip? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO My friends and I might be interested in trekking up to Toronto again for Delerium, to make up for the awful PleasureForce party Renegades. Drop me a packet... Yusef yusef@macc.wisc.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 04:10:51 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA06161; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:10:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA11268; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 22:08:26 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 22:08:26 -0600 Message-Id: <199411170410.XAA14233@london.physics.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sho@physics.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sho Kuwamoto To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: pizza in indy rescheduled X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Pizza in indy is now going to be on Monday not Thursday. 7pm at Bazbeaux's. RSVP at this account so we know who all is going to be there. -Sho -- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm having for lunch! Sho Kuwamoto. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 05:34:52 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA07796; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 00:34:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA20235; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:23:35 -0600 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:23:35 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: last friday in milwaukee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ok here it is straight from the mouth of da guy who was handcuffed to the wall of one milwaukee warehouse for 2 hourz........me, jaye, corey, and dale were working the door at the bust last friday......at around 1 i guess these two guyz came through the door looking like anyone else i guess....cause i took their money and corey stamped their hand.......but just as they stepped by us after paying one of them swung around, drew his gun and badge and started yelling for everyne to get up aginst the wall this was a bust......meanwhile more uniformed officers were trying to bust their way through the door.... dale slammed the door and locked it as they did, i then tried to run for the back of the warehouse....but i only took about three steps and i felt the gun of the one undercover up to the back of my head and he said "take one more step and i'll spray your ass"......of course i stopped, but if this isn't a prime example of excessive force i dont know what is......well the cop swung me back around and cuffed me to an electrical conduit on the wall as the other undercover let all the uniformed officers in, about 20 or so of them i'd say damn it looked like something straight outta copz when they raid a crack house or meth lab.....well they then also cuffed jaye....corey got away thats kewl so did dale......they found eric upstairs wandering around the other partz of the warehouse (i guess he was on a little TRIP).....well they continued to harass and intimidate everyone for around two to three hourz and then they finally let us mastermindz go and gave us summons to the city attorneys office tomorrow (i'll let ya know how that comes out)......i am not going to sit here and tell you all how fucked this was you make your own judgement, but we are filing a complaint with the ACLU tomorrow and we would appreciate all the support we can get by each of you who was involved or at least offended by this to also file and voice a complaint in our behalf, the number and who to contact at the Milwaukee ACLU office will be forthcoming. peace love & unity bLiTz a.k.a. Shannon---------tear it down & let the truth begin!!! PEACE THROUGH ANARCHY!!! dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 06:17:06 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA08406; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:16:52 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA25824; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 00:14:33 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 00:14:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199411170613.AAA25689@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: HJCURT00@UKCC.UKY.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rique Curtis To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: gotta know X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO So wait---maybe it's too early to tell, but i gotta know. IYHO (and You means all ya'll), what seems to B the event of choice the weekend of the 26th? mo' ! *++++ * ~+ * .. * * ~+ + * ...... * "God created man, but I could do better..." + ~ + + * ........ * \ + * fujiyama mo' * \hjcurt00@ukcc.uky.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 06:44:15 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA08823; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:43:51 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA27787; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 00:41:54 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 00:41:54 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MiCKeY HoNMyHR To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Acidic pyramid.. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ok i am gonna try this again..... I NEED krash space on sat night or sunday morning for 5 or so people. either in chicago or someplace in wisconsin. the reason is that i cannot drive 14 hrs strait after a rave to get back home. please help me. i love ya'll oodles and oodles mouse ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- M I C K E Y H O N M Y H R "fargo,finals,and this friggin wind- it's enough to drive ANYONE to corkness" ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 07:20:40 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA09326; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 02:20:33 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA00122; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:19:32 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:19:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199411170719.CAA20769@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rebecca Jill Maslow To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Drop Trou Net X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i just wanted to let those of you who were at Utopia and a part of the DTN (and you know who you are...and so do i) that i got my pictures back, and they may soon be going up on hyperreal, so... anyway, you will get the choice of saying yay or ney to the whole mw-rave family seeing you in your underwear (though you all are adorable, i might add) so i just wanted to let you know. =) *huGs* *kIssEs* -becca *AtTrAcTiOn* <--don't forget From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 07:47:23 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA09638; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 02:47:12 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA28146; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 00:45:53 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 00:45:53 -0600 Message-Id: <9411170704.AA00997@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sherih@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sheri Hendrickson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: HOME sweet home X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO In response to: Matthew S Macqueen Andrew Bennett adamgold@interaccess.com (Adam Goldstein) Regardless if you are in Iowa or Illinios big city or little for a party, it was CRAZY for ALL the things that happened at that party. It's normal for ONE but not ALL! breaking into cars, naked guy getting runned over, girl O.D.-ing, guy getting stabbed, everyone from Minneapolis getting wrongfully arrested for simply being a fellow Minnesotan as the guy caught with the drugs (those people had nothing to do with his dealings), people getting mugged all at ONE PARTY! This gives me and you many chances that it could have happened to you. All of this suffering for an attempt to have an honest fun. Quite a misfortune and really scares most of the Minneaspolis folx. BTW, that person caught with all the drugs is not a friend of mine for those reasons. It serves him right. However, I cruelly find it hilarious to know that his background of coming from a plush Mpls suburb being a jailbird. His inmates are going to eat this rich suburban buy alive! Sheri From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 13:24:08 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id IAA12954; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 08:23:59 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id HAA09730; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:22:19 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:22:19 -0600 Message-Id: <17NOV94.09019839.0009.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MKAMMERE@NMU.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Kammerer, Mark J" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re[2]: ketamine and other stuff X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ImSmartRU writes, >There are several ways to avoid the day after hangover. Prozac is not >one of them. The reason you feel better after taking prozac is that it >inhibits the brake down of seritonin at the neuroreceptor site, causing >overstimulation. To replace your seritonin, eat foods which contain high >levels of tryptophan, like milk. Yet J2 is quoted in Massive 7 as saying, Did you know that if you consume any dairy product during or soon after downing MDMA you can become incredibly sick? It's some pretty serious neurochemistry. As in crippling painful headaches which can last up to days. Do you even know what an MAO inhibitor is? I see a definite conflict here. Can anyone resolve this? mark j From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 14:01:16 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id JAA13722; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:01:04 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id HAA11488; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:46:58 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:46:58 -0600 Message-Id: <17NOV94.09474467.0009.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MKAMMERE@NMU.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Kammerer, Mark J" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: HOME sweet home X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >Regardless if you are in Iowa or Illinios big city or little for a >party, it was CRAZY for ALL the things that happened at that party. >It's normal for ONE but not ALL! > > >breaking into cars, naked guy getting runned over, girl O.D.-ing, guy >getting stabbed, everyone from Minneapolis getting wrongfully >arrested for simply being a fellow Minnesotan as the guy caught with >the drugs (those people had nothing to do with his dealings), people >getting mugged all at ONE PARTY! I think some people can't handle the intensity of the rave environment. It is intense and people are in weird states of mind and some people just flip out and some people lower their guard at the wrong time and run into bad luck. We are very vulnerable at raves and we need to watch out for each other. It's scary sometimes pulling into strange cities and going into dangerous neighborhoods. Alot of times I don't feel safe until I get inside with other ravers. Sometimes, like at Home, I don't even feel safe with the ravers and that sucks. The difference between us and the rest of the world is that we care about each other. Let's cultivate that. > >BTW, that person caught with all the drugs is not a friend of mine >for those reasons. It serves him right. However, I cruelly find it >hilarious to know that his background of coming from a plush Mpls >suburb being a jailbird. His inmates are going to eat this rich >suburban buy alive! > I don't think this shit is funny at all. The sentence for interstate trafficking of 6 sheets will be something like 5 years in a federal penitentiary. Why did the whole net community rally around China Girl when she nearly killed herself with drugs but the cops take down a kid who fucked up and everybody gives him an extra kick in the teeth? Compassion my friends. mark j From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 14:56:32 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id JAA14819; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:56:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA19586; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 08:53:42 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 08:53:42 -0600 Message-Id: <9411170832.ZM21985@gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mb@gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Mark Bowen" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: mpls is so sweet X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Just a little note on the Mpls vs. Chicago scene I'm getting tired of all these posts about how cruel chicago is compared to minneapple. I'm from mpls and I've had my car broken into, known people who got jumped and had their apts broken into and that was while I lived there. Don't get me wrong I like mpls but come on. Its not like some place where the lamb lays with the lion. Chicago is bigger so there's more of everything. More crime but also more of a scene than one or two events that go bad. In short, mpls crew come back again sometime taint so bad. -- "Man is God, for it is in our holy brain Mark Bowen that we create Him in our image" mb@gettins.bche.uic.edu -Yello (paraphrased) O O O O O O O O O H | H | H | H | H | H | H | H | H | HN C= N C= N C= N C=HN C=HN C=HN C=HN C=HN C=O \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / C C C C C C C C C / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ H R H R H R H R H R H R H R H R H R From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 15:32:17 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA15618; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:32:01 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA24836; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:23:01 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:23:01 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJKZDEZT7U8WWGBS@wmich.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: X94BENNETT4@wmich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: X94BENNETT4@wmich.edu (Aaron M. Bennett) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: JAK 1 tape thing X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO The mixtape of Kikoman's set at Jak 1 is finally ready. If you are interested in getting one even though a month has passed since the event, mail me back and I will give you the details on how to get it.... aaron b. western michigan university-kalamazoo 1/2way between detroit and chicago.... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 16:20:29 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA16802; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:20:22 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA05021; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:16:29 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:16:29 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJKYWS6OCY8Y7XRK@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CAMMARAT@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: sorry about this but... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ELLEN!! EllEN!! E-mail me PLEASE!!!! Tigger (thank you for your time and consideration) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 16:32:41 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA17134; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:32:26 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA08410; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:28:56 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:28:56 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJKZIU3ELY000GUE@BELMONT.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: GILLJ@BELMONT.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: GILLJ@BELMONT.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: bye bye X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i am signing off tonight. my account and schedule cannot handle all these messa ges every day. hopefully one day soon i'll be back but for now it's just personal mail and the seraves list (seraves@american.edu) and i don't really promise to real all of those messages.... you guys are cewl, i just dont get to chicago or mipls often enough to read 250 msgs/week, si? peace and love write me, dude. rainbow.gill From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 16:33:26 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA17153; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:33:12 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA08974; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:30:55 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:30:55 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: Lil' Suzy X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Forwarded message: > From: John Thomas Drefahl > ---------------------------------------- > Headlining is LIL SUZY herself - LIVE! > ---------------------------------------- > > Tony 'Boom Boom' Badea > - Mixing the latest in Freestyle, house, underground, > and acid jazy. > > Baby Boy - D.C.P. > Dj Quick Mixx - Tyme 4 Some Akison > Robert 'the Rox' Perez - HTMIX Prod. Does anyone know about any of these people? I'm wondering what styles of music to expect and such. > Calling out all Tagging Crews! There will > be a battle to prove who's the best! - $100.00 to > the winners, call 414.224.6673 leave a message Tagging at Serb Hall? Hmm, does this sound like fodder for another event like the last one held there? I hope fights don't break out again. - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 16:57:38 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA17691; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:57:15 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA13641; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:51:45 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:51:45 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: HOME sweet home X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Forwarded message: > From: "Kammerer, Mark J" > > I don't think this shit is funny at all. The sentence for interstate > trafficking of 6 sheets will be something like 5 years in a federal > penitentiary. Why did the whole net community rally around China Girl > when she nearly killed herself with drugs but the cops take down a > kid who fucked up and everybody gives him an extra kick in the teeth? No, it's not funny, but doing this was stupid. And I don't think those who rallied around China grrrl were not admitting that what she did was stupid, she even admitted on the net that she fucked up. What people are saying here, I think, about the person carrying around 6 sheets of acid is this: leaving it in a bag with ID in plain sight is asking to get busted. > Compassion my friends. Compassion is warranted as far as not wanting to see anyone go to prison for something not warranting prison time. But the fact is that he broke the law, whether or not the law is stupid. He could have been smarter and taken steps to ensure better luck at not getting caught in the act. China broke the law too, and also pushed her limits. She paid her price and now the aforementioned person will have to pay his. - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 17:23:22 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA18500; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:22:55 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA19049; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:18:25 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:18:25 -0600 Message-Id: <199411171717.LAA21514@batch1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: JL7942%CMSUVMB.bitnet@vm42.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jeremy Lepel To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: driving the distance X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO this is in response to having to drive long distance after being wiped out from a rave.. I go to school in Missouri and live In Rochester, New York... which would account to a 17 hour drive... I've made the drive or been part of the drive three times... First time was back last easter, when I visited the school... me and my parents and my younger brother made the trip... we left at 6am and made it at like 11pm... right at the 17 hour mark... but we had three people driving (my mother didn't drive, but my younger brother didn't know how to drive much, he only drove for like 2 hours...) I drove for maybe 4 hours... but my father could drive for 48 hours and not slip once... him and cars go way back... :) the second time I drove was when I came to school... (I drove because I had to have a car here...) my parents drove in my mothers car, I drove alone in my car... we took two days driving... we stopped in ohio, I think it was in Dayton... I got 3 hours of sleep the night before the first drive... (I went to my girlfriends house until 5, we planned to leave at 9, so I had to be up at 8... we didn't leave till 11am) I made it ok for that 8 hours, I started dozing a little when we hit Pennsylvania... but I had Coca-Cola and loud music, and I wasn't that tired, so I was able to make it... I got about 8 hours that night, but the next day I was really tired... driving ITSELF for that long for two days tires you out... we made it OK, but I was dog tired when we made it here... The third time I drove I made an unnounced visit home (my parents still don't know...) Luckily, I met a girl from the next town West of me (buffalo, of buffalo bills INFAMOUSY, super bowl losers... :) sorry, had to plug it) a week or two before, and convinced her to go... I borrowed money from freinds, and she paid for half the gas... we did the drive all at once, in 4 hours shifts, stopping only for gas and food... we had no trouble driving up... I hardly even slept the night before (6 hours), and didn't sleep like I was supposed to during the drive, and was fine... we left at like 2:30 and made it into NY at like 7am (including time change, that's 17 hours or so) I was dog tired when I got there, though... I got a good sleep that night, maybe 7 hours... we had to leave the night after that, and I was stupid enough to only get 2 hours of sleep the night before I left... I made it to buffalo ok, and my friend took over... she drove for 4 hours, then we switched, and I only made it 3 hours before we switched again... she drove for 4 more hours, and we switched again... I managed to sleep enough so that I wouldn't be tired for another 4 hours... but I drove for 6... because she was sleeping a lot, and I didn't want her to be too tired if she had to drive. well, I took a vivarin after 3 hours, and that helped me for another 2 or so... we got about 45 minutes from town, and I started to get really sleepy... on the highway that leads into town, I think I fell asleep three times, for no longer than a minute... at least that's what it felt like... I consider myself lucky, and will try to sleep more the next time... (I'm gonna try it again in February, hopefully I'll have the money then... and more sleep...) so, even though I haven't been to a rave yet, I know what you people are talking about... like they all said, SLEEP... even if it means you get to miss out on the fun... the fun isn't worth the lives of four or five or more people in the car with you.... and I know vivarin ain't the best defense, but that was all I had at the time, and luckily, it worked... I had a feeling it would, because I've taken it before at 5am after going out on a friday night driving friends home from a weekly get together back home... well kiddies, I think a lesson learned is a lesson for a lifetime... or the next four years... :) (I'm a frosh) --------------------------------------------------------------------- WALDO/ED/JEREMY LEPEL | WHEN IN NEED OF SPAM, CALL ON YOUR YAKSMAN... ONE OF THE FINAL FEW | FELLOW FRIENDS, FOR ANY REAL FRIEND JL7942@CMSUVMB.CMSU.EDU | SHOULD HAVE A CABINET FULL OF IT! --------------------------------------------------------------------- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 17:44:54 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA19078; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:44:40 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA24067; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:41:58 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:41:58 -0600 Message-Id: <199411171743.MAA15929@london.physics.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sho@physics.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sho Kuwamoto To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: indy pizza mental collapse X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Umm.. I'm sure you're tired of hearing about our plans to eat pizza together in indy. But.. Um... I spazzed. I tried to arrange things around everyone else's schedules, and I forgot to check my own. I'm busy monday night!! Um.. stay tuned for further details. -Sho -- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm having for lunch! Sho Kuwamoto. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 19:05:05 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA21392; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:04:35 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA12367; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:00:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:00:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199411171900.NAA12258@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: marmantr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mark T Armantrout To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: thanks for Utopia! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO caThead here. Hey folks, thanks for Utopia! I really had a good time, just sorry it seemed so short. It was quite a pleasant surprise to see some of ya! You're welcome at my place anytime. Doc, Devin, Cosmic ("it's kosmik!"), thanks a BUNCH for spinnin' in my livin' room. Thanks for lettin' me tape, I'll give you the tapes whenever you want. I like 'em! Thanks to Billeebob, whereever he is, for spinnin too. I'm listening to his set on my headfonez right now, it's sweetness. Thanks to David H and everyone else who took the tables too! Thanks to Rick for the lights. Thanks for keeping my house so clean! wow, there was nothing to clean up, amazing. BIG THANKS to you who set it up and booked them fun djs. As always, I apologize for not remembering everyone's names as well as I'd like to. Hi to everyone I was too forgetful to recognize! I'm gonna be in Madison Sunday night seein' Phish, say hi to me if you're there. You should see Phish! Cosmic fun feel-good dance-manic jazz rock bluegrass band! If anyone needs a ride from Madison or Chicago or Lafayette to Bloomington or Indy anytime Monday morning, let me know. (??) See ya soon I hope! mCaTHEADrk (purr|8) Mark Armantrout (Cathead) AJUST 8 PHISH water, light, marmantr@silver.ucs.indiana.edu or marmantr@indiana.edu language, http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/marmantr.html sound, magic! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 19:20:04 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA21748; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:19:42 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA15318; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:14:55 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:14:55 -0600 Message-Id: <9411171944.AA28685@blackhawks.d2.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: fixer@d2.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: fixer@d2.com (Robert Smith) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: last friday in milwaukee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Reprinted without permission from: InterLAB } } }by us after paying one of them swung around, drew his gun and badge and started }yelling for everyne to get up aginst the wall this was a bust......meanwhile }more uniformed officers were trying to bust their way through the door.... }dale slammed the door and locked it as they did, i then tried to run for the }back of the warehouse....but i only took about three steps and i felt the gun }of the one undercover up to the back of my head and he said "take one more step }and i'll spray your ass"......of course i stopped, but if this isn't a prime }example of excessive force i dont know what is......well the cop swung me back Let's see here. Running away from an armed man identified as a cop during a bust...and you question not being allowed to run away? I would have just knock your ass into the door, then handcuffed you. If you don't agree with the laws, work to change them. Otherwise, you have to accept the consequences of civil disobedience. It's a chance we take. You get no sympathy from me, my friend. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ fixer@d2.com is Robert Smith Digital Domain phone: 310/314-2920 300 Rose Avenue fax: 310/314-2866 Venice, CA 90291 _____________________________________________________________________________ "I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of gum" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 19:57:40 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA22445; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:57:10 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA23974; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:51:01 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:51:01 -0600 Message-Id: <2ecbb2a76ebc002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: satti002@maroon.tc.umn.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: satti002@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Chris Sattinger) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Ketamine, Prozac, Ginseng ! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >>On Wed, 16 Nov 1994, John Thomas Drefahl wrote: >> >>> I was wondering if there was a natural type of 'Prozac' that could be >>> used while or after using MDMA. This is in concern to the fact that one >>> becomes a bit depressed and stupid after rolling. I really don't feel >>> like stealing my father's prozac for my needs. But, I would really like >>> to know if there is another, legally attainable vitiman or mineral that >>> will boost or help recover my seritonen levels.. Later >>> >>> John Sin Massive >>> >> >>I have used L-Tyrosine the past two times i have rolled(after i come down), >>and have felt no depression. You can find it in any health food/vitamin >>store. >> >>Anthony Cosco >>graflin@iac.net > >The mighty Ginseng (Korean or American) does a mighty fine job of >regulating Serotonin levels in your brain. I find that my mood swings are >more controlled, survivable and even fun rather than Prozacs levelling of >the mighty roller coaster. My ex-girlfriend took Prozac and never cried >once in the six months she was on it. I consider this unhealthy. > >Siberian ginseng is good for stress and physical performance, I suggest >Zand 's bottle of alcohol extracted stuff for 10$ at health food places. >(leave it in hot water for a couple of minutes to evaporate the alcohol) I >dosed a whole slew of Detroitians before Jak2 with the mysterious bottle of >Siberian. Without a real control group who can say for sure, but they >performed impressively. > >I generally recomend extracts over pill form, though getting the straight >root is great. I used to steam the root and cut it into little splices 3 >dimes thick and suck on them. > >Kevin Cole has taken tyrosine every morning for several years and he gets >*really* crabby if he doesn't get his dose ! Placebo? Who cares ! He's >happy and awesomely productive. He takes it because he read that it works >for depressives, and he is worried that his years of excess (cocaine >mostly) depleted his natural serotonin system. > >Chris Sattinger _ > MONO ekagra > Sorry about the quote scene, some mailer boo-shit. Chris Sattinger _ MONO ekagra From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 20:19:13 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA23041; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:18:29 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA29532; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:14:54 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:14:54 -0600 Message-Id: <941117151222_1556417@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: Zietgiest@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Zietgiest@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Returning from the pit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, thanks again for info regarding turntables. I have two Gemini's right now which my friend loaned me indeffintly. So, now I'm saving up even more for some 1200's. These Gemini's are hard to learn on, but I'd venture to say it was my fault. So, that's why I haven't posted lately. Went to D-Day, and loved Ritchie's set. I wasn't to impressed with Terry Mullan that night though. Went to Nature 2, and would like top say a few things: It's great when promoter's have free parties, but when the parties to make up for an event that practically ripped everyone off, do a good job of it. Obvisouly, this party was also a sham. Info line stated that ticket's where being handed out at 9:00. Got there at 11:00, expecting tickets, to have some guy tell me that they ran out. So I called the info line again, and listened closely. NO WHERE DID IT STATE THAT THERE WHERE ONLY 1,000 TICKETS SO GET THERE EARLY. I got on the party anyway and understood the limit, but that should.'ve been explained on the info line. So the party was so crowed that it took apr. 20 minutes to get from one side of the room to the other. You couldn't dance. Not without hitting someone. So the Vibe sucked, people where pissed because it was hot and crowded. People where ready to fight. Then people that had tickets where being turned away. Even if they had there original tickets from the original fuck-up of Peter John's the security turned them away. This space was two small. Thanks, but no Thanks. This poor planning only proves to me more that I can't trust Peter John and NaDisco to come through. P.s. That space was rad for Mystic Bill's B-Day party. With apr. 400 people. Not this 1,000 plus bullshit. FIG NEWTON From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 20:26:18 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA23454; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:25:59 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA29235; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:13:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:13:59 -0600 Message-Id: <941117151213_1556336@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: Zietgiest@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Zietgiest@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: MORE INFO PLEASE ( feed the pig ) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO As I mentioned earlier, I have tables now. SO... does anyone in Chicago want to take some time to show me what to do. Always looking for more "input". PLEASE? Also, I would greatly appreciate some info regarding Lables, records ect. I'm into that " Get on the floor and dance if your into the scene " Kind of Elistist Hard Acid. ( that's not my attitude, I was trying despratly to describe the music I like. I remebered a post concerning Astro Boy's ? set where the music was describbed this way. The same party with the guy on the cellular phone. ) Also there's two tracks I heard . One at D-Day in the Un DEE room. Went something like " BOOM SLY DADDY" or " WHO"S MY DADDY" The Second was at Mystic Bill's Party And had a poem over it that alway ended with " SOONER OR LATER, YOU'LL ALL TURN TO DUST " did I say two tracks I guess there's a third also from DEE-DAY " WHILE PEOPLE ARE DYING IN THE STREETS " was a direct quote, the rest referred to only drugs surviving in the " underworld" PLEASE HELP. I love these tracks. Thanks. FIG NEWTON From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 20:38:31 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA23723; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:38:11 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA06299; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:34:49 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:34:49 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: stu@infochi.infochi.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stu Shea To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: last friday in milwaukee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, Robert Smith wrote: > Reprinted without permission from: InterLAB > } > } > }back of the warehouse....but i only took about three steps and i felt the gun > }of the one undercover up to the back of my head and he said "take one more step > }and i'll spray your ass"......of course i stopped, but if this isn't a prime > }example of excessive force i dont know what is......well the cop swung me back > > > Let's see here. Running away from an armed man identified as a cop > during a bust...and you question not being allowed to run away? > > You get no sympathy from me, my friend. I don't know if he was asking for "sympathy", but rather giving us information on just what happened. I, for one, appreciated the viewpoint of one who is actually risking what they have by throwing these parties. Maybe if we all got a gun pointed to the backs of our heads, we'd all feel more challenged to protest this crap. I hope it doesn't take that much prodding. Stu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 20:51:22 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA23983; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:51:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA10467; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:48:18 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:48:18 -0600 Message-Id: <199411172047.OAA11279@ancho.gac.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: swaterbu@gac.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: swaterbu@gac.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: mpls is so sweet X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >In short, mpls crew come back again sometime taint so bad. i'll be back fer sure... unfortunately...not for AP ;P chicago rips they have chuckie cheeze!! <<^GUIDO^^>>>>> swaterbu@gac.edu.............8} From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 20:59:23 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA24112; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:59:03 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA11876; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:54:48 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:54:48 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJL839QQDU90N49M@BSUVC.bsu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: 00tjcrawford@bsuvc.bsu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: 00tjcrawford@bsuvc.bsu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Details about Acidic Pyramid. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Grab a pen, or a print command, Here's the info for a pleasant pyramid. The map point is WAX TRAX records * 7pm - 12 mid These are Dir. from the south... 90/94 N/W past Downtown and Exit at North Ave. Turn left/West on North Turn right/north on Damen Go 1 block to Wabansia - WAX TRAX records: 312.862.2121 After 12p the VM# will have detailed directions to the site, which is... The Congress Theatre - 2135 N. Milwaukee at Ashland The party is 9pm - 5am Some people are saying that this space closes early... The promoter has arranged to pay extra to stay open `til 5. It's the same people that threw - Acidic Opera Destiny, Orbital, & the Kind Project stuff. But try to get there early, I believe Hardfloor, who's in town already and running around Chicago, will go on as early as 1 or 1:30. I'm spinning just before them. OH YEAH, Craig S! - You're name will be on a guest list at the door. I'll explain it to you in a private message. Peace and Love, Yours In the Groove, Mind of the Perpetual Vibe, --David Hollands-- --Ball State University, Muncie, IN-- 24 Hr Indy Event Info 317.899.8100 Vox @ 317.288.6277 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 21:06:37 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA24305; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:06:21 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA13734; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:01:56 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:01:56 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey there... gretchen is suffering a bit of a crisis... as most of you know, although being a huge break fanatic, jon williams has been my favorite dj for a loooooong time now. and as you all know, the man himself is spinning inst. louis tomorrow. i was originally being picked up by saj from core (i am 1/2 way between chi and louis for school- right off the exit from 57) but, well, you all know his situation... so gretchen no go to da pah-tee.... *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH* i am not a happy camper...actually this could be classified as complete and utter devistation... if ANYONE has an extra space in their car (or even if not, you could strap me to the hood or stash me in a trunk...hehehe) PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE let me know....i would be indebted to you for life... And, if any one needs a crash space after the party, let me know, mi casa es su casa...unless i cant make it to the party, in which case you will not want to be in a 1000mile radius of me...id be a real bitch if ya'll showed up at my doorstep all sweaty from dancin all night to jon...without me...believe me, its happened before... please respond gretchen e blount From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 21:13:54 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA24613; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:13:38 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA14669; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:04:55 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:04:55 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: graflin@iac.net Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Anthony Cosco To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Tape Trade Anyone? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Okay, since i see other people initiating tape trades, i figger ill do tha same.... Heres what I got: Doc Martin(LA) - Earthgrooves DJ Dutch(SF) DJ Dutch(SF) vol 2 Dub Tribe - Live at Fever Jeno(SF) - House Reality Sasha(Orlando/NY) Spun(SF) Richie Hawtin - freeze the children Hyperactive - acid revival Hyperactive - acid revival 2 Terry Mullan - New School Fusion DJ Sergio(Italy) DJ Speed Demon Hyperactive - Volume 3 Hyperactive - Volume 6 Acid Indigestion Mystic Bill - Live at Warehouse Sven Vath - An Accident in Paradise Okay, thats about it. Peace. Anthony Cosco graflin@iac.net From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 21:28:29 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA24902; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:28:14 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA17428; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:15:51 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:15:51 -0600 Message-Id: <2ecbc1a14cdb002@maroon.tc.umn.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: satti002@maroon.tc.umn.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: satti002@maroon.tc.umn.edu (Chris Sattinger) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: HOME sweet home X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >>breaking into cars, naked guy getting runned over, girl O.D.-ing, guy >>getting stabbed, everyone from Minneapolis getting wrongfully >>arrested for simply being a fellow Minnesotan as the guy caught with >>the drugs (those people had nothing to do with his dealings), people >>getting mugged all at ONE PARTY! > >I think some people can't handle the intensity of the rave environment. >It is intense and people are in weird states of mind and some people >just flip out and some people lower their guard at the wrong time and >run into bad luck. We are very vulnerable at raves and we need to >watch out for each other. >mark j As a wise old punk once stated, anarchy is about people looking out for each other, not relying on an insensitive and beaurocratic regime to police us down into manageability. If you take a look back at the situation and pretend that you are a *nice* cop, not an asshole, just a caring citizen trying to protect and serve : Ok, you've got a warehouse filled with alien screeching noises (even house sounds like that to the unfamiliar) thousands of *kids* ripped to the tits on lavishly complex drugs with unpredictable response curves, and they're all freaked out, wrapped up in the complex excitement of a new culture. Naked guy gets hit by car, stabbings blah blah blah.... just what you'd expect really. Shut it down !!!! Oh my god our children !!! shut it down !!!! Please lets not moan about how uncool the cops are. It looks really scary, it is really scary, and it is up to us to make it into what is positive. We are not talking about England 1988, these people (us!) are much more hardcore, we've seen a lot more bullshit, gangs, guns, serious drug use. this is a new situation. Hardrave USA. Now *we* know that if we work that tenuous thing called vibe enough, we can pull off even large events that run themselves without demanding that the cops or even the promoters do the policing. The cops will never trust us to run our kind of event without trouble, we have to work underground, watch the legal side real close and try to do these things right. don't expect the gov't to ever leave us alone, take precautions and we can reduce the hassle. Here's a nasty thought: you all rave your asses off for several years, see the scene get really hard and .... you start getting older, going out to bars more (no, I'll never go back to the mainstream !). Look at the hippies ! there's some cool ones and children of cool ones living really splendid lifestyles still ! But most of them have dreadful ponytails and run software companies or they are plumbers. So you have children who fly to the andes every weekend to lay on the heathen earth and be sprayed by gallons of severe brain scrambling toxins (that's all it does is cause you're brain to swirl, but you just wouldn't understand, its not like that old E shit ma) and some robot stands there and reads really shitty Leary/McKenna type boo-shit poetry. Are you going to freak ? My other thought is that as the scene pulls off large events with a reputation for open drug use, we're going to get a lot of drug users, not spiritual partiers. If we take the drug talk to alt.drugs, we will attract alt.drugaddicts. Chris Sattinger _ MONO ekagra From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 23:39:24 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA27826; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:38:47 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA19653; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 17:35:52 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 17:35:52 -0600 Message-Id: <9411172333.AA17981@aug1> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: allen@augsburg.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: HOME crimes X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO What >people are saying here, I think, about the person carrying around 6 >sheets of acid is this: leaving it in a bag with ID in plain sight is >asking to get busted. > >> Compassion my friends. > >- stevenJ wat I got ta say is; dont bite the hand thats feeding ya- ya know wat i mean,how many of you might ended up swallowing that paper,been passed dat joint and said" Whoopie, I'm glad I scored tonite!" bottom line too, we all know that his "crime" should not be one, so wats the point? crimes of the mind are wrongful crimes. \ Allen.para From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 17 23:52:29 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA28161; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:52:22 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA22273; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 17:50:11 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 17:50:11 -0600 Message-Id: <9411172348.AA18193@aug1> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: allen@augsburg.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: last friday in milwaukee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO fixer brain-burped: >I would have just knock your ass into the door, then handcuffed you. .. >You get no sympathy from me, my friend. > What the fuck is this shit? fuck you too Allen.para From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 00:39:26 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA29267; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:39:07 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA29476; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:36:55 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:36:55 -0600 Message-Id: <199411180035.SAA29292@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: believe@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: xlarge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: acidic p. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO if anyone is going to acidic pyrimid that will be driving from milwaukee or through milwaukee, is there any way i could hitch a ride?? i have crash space for anyone that gives me a ride. peace, xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu what did you bring me daddy? well i brought you, death...... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 01:12:09 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA00149; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:11:33 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA03848; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:09:27 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:09:27 -0600 Message-Id: <9411180138.AA02532@blackhawks.d2.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: fixer@d2.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: fixer@d2.com (Robert Smith) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: last friday in milwaukee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Reprinted without permission from: Paul Allen } }fixer brain-burped: } }>I would have just knock your ass into the door, then handcuffed you. }.. }>You get no sympathy from me, my friend. }> } }What the fuck is this shit? } } } fuck you too } } } Allen.para Fuck me? Put yourself in the cops' shoes. You have a job to do, agree with the laws that are being broken or not. Obvious signs of drug use, unknown who's sorted and on what. Many people get extremely violent when drugged up, and many dealers have weapons to equal yours. Do you expect any cop to let someone just run away from a bust, while just saying nicely "Wait here, if you feel like it, sir."? I am all for civil disobedience. I am also against whining when it all doesn't go your way. Remember Socrates? He died for his rebelliousness. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ fixer@d2.com is Robert Smith Digital Domain phone: 310/314-2920 300 Rose Avenue fax: 310/314-2866 Venice, CA 90291 _____________________________________________________________________________ "I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of gum" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 01:16:23 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA00319; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:16:10 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA04407; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:13:44 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:13:44 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: tojones@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: todd a jones To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: greetings and salutations! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO First off i'm new to this list, names Toddles, but I'm also known by a number of nicknames incase some of you have met me before : the shiek, the wolf, the bear, Tough Guy, terminator, muscles, lil' schwarz.... yea that's a lot of names,but hey people gave them to me (mostly women) Drugs : "JUST say MOre" is my motto. Sex : I almost tried this once at a rave, but then backed out because they other 2 girls backed out. I guess I was just too much for them!! i've seen a couple of terms floating around, what do these mean/stand for? PLUR=? IMHO=? Ok well that's all for now. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 01:29:46 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA00601; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:29:29 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA06184; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:27:33 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:27:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199411180126.TAA05986@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: believe@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: xlarge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: greetings and salutations! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO plur + Peace Love Unity Respect imho + In My Honest Opinion ----------------------------------------- welcome aboard xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu what did you bring me daddy? well i brought you, death...... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 01:32:43 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA00673; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:32:23 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA06608; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:30:11 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:30:11 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: graflin@iac.net Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Anthony Cosco To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: greetings and salutations! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, todd a jones wrote: > First off i'm new to this list, names Toddles, but I'm also known by a > number of nicknames incase some of you have met me before : the shiek, > the wolf, the bear, Tough Guy, terminator, muscles, lil' schwarz.... yea > that's a lot of names,but hey people gave them to me (mostly women) > > Drugs : "JUST say MOre" is my motto. > > Sex : I almost tried this once at a rave, but then backed out because > they other 2 girls backed out. I guess I was just too much for them!! > > i've seen a couple of terms floating around, what do these mean/stand for? > PLUR=? > IMHO=? > Ok well that's all for now. > Welcome to the list! PLUR = Peace, Love, Unity and Respect IMHO = In my humble opinion peace Anthony Cosco graflin@iac.net From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 01:35:04 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA00720; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:34:46 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA07070; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:32:51 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:32:51 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: HOME crimes X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Forwarded message: > From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) > wat I got ta say is; dont bite the hand thats feeding ya- ya know wat i > mean,how many of you might ended up swallowing that paper,been passed dat > joint and said" Whoopie, I'm glad I scored tonite!" bottom line too, we all > know that his "crime" should not be one, so wats the point? crimes of the > mind are wrongful crimes. \ What is a crime of the mind? - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 01:37:45 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA00797; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:37:32 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA07376; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:35:24 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:35:24 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: tojones@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: todd a jones To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: greetings and salutations! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO thanks for the definitions of PLUR and IMHO the terminator From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 01:38:40 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA00815; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:38:14 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA07473; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:35:49 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:35:49 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: greetings and salutations! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Forwarded message: > From: xlarge > plur + Peace Love Unity Respect > > imho + In My Honest Opinion Actually, moe people mean it to say, "...in my humble opinion...". - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 01:41:00 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA00901; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:40:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA07986; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:38:42 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:38:42 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJLAO4EOVM001G5Q@UWSTOUT.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: FLOREKT@UWSTOUT.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: FLOREKT@UWSTOUT.EDU To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Mpls Crew.....my new found home.. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I use to be a poor little raver from Neenah. I would go to raves in Milw. and stuff but I never felt at home...Then I went to Mpls and got hooked up with some truly Rad people they took me in and gave me the sense of real belonging so I have made a new Home with the Mpls crew..... Peace and Love to alll you guys in the Mpls scene..... SERVOT Timmy Florekt FLOREKT@UWSTOUT.EDU "Excuse me...Do they have Yatzee in Heaven?" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 01:47:52 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA01088; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:47:39 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA08913; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:44:46 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:44:46 -0600 Message-Id: <199411180122.RAA09526@netcom4.netcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ericmc@netcom.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ericmc@netcom.com (Eric) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: greetings and salutations! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > i've seen a couple of terms floating around, what do these mean/stand for? > PLUR=? > IMHO=? > Ok well that's all for now. Peace, Love, Unity, Respect In My Honest (or Humble) Opinion From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 02:17:31 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA01771; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 21:17:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA12890; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:12:50 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:12:50 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ilab needs YOU! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Help!!! We here at Ilab are in need of a ride to Acidic Pee!! Help us!!! You should all know that we live in Milwaukee so if any one can spare room please let us know.... Thanx Ilab(Ben Dan Jonah) dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 02:22:23 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA01901; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 21:22:10 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA13405; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:15:33 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:15:33 -0600 Message-Id: <9411180245.AA03415@blackhawks.d2.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: fixer@d2.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: fixer@d2.com (Robert Smith) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Info on drugs X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Reprinted without permission from: rlk } }I hope this doesn't upset those 'I'm sick }of the drug debate' types, because these are }things I've been wondering about for some }time now. Besides, if you haven't noticed, }I have weighed in on the for or against sides }(Ask me in person :) ) } Best place for this type of stuff is alt.drugs on Usenet. I have heard there are some people with real knowledge there, as opposed to here, where most of us just know word of mouth knowledge and uneducated/unexplained experiences. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ fixer@d2.com is Robert Smith Digital Domain phone: 310/314-2920 300 Rose Avenue fax: 310/314-2866 Venice, CA 90291 _____________________________________________________________________________ "I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of gum" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 02:29:53 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA02052; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 21:29:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA06013; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:26:08 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:26:08 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJLKFLPGEQ9EDAH3@jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: rlk@intrepid.chm.jhu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: rlk@intrepid.chm.jhu.edu (rlk) To: Multiple recipients of list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hi---as long as everyone keeps jabbering away about drug stuff, I wanna ask my naive questions: A) Why does E make you grind your teeth? 2) What's the deal w/ E and vapo-rub? d) Has anyone heard anything about the side effects of 2CB? I hope this doesn't upset those 'I'm sick of the drug debate' types, because these are things I've been wondering about for some time now. Besides, if you haven't noticed, I have weighed in on the for or against sides (Ask me in person :) ) peace, ron From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 02:37:00 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA02292; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 21:36:38 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA15468; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:32:15 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:32:15 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Tapes X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO If you are as much of a tape freak as I am then I would like to swap tapes with you....I am looking for trance(hard and slow) ambient( with breaks) HARD acid and progressive/acid house....here is a list of what I currently have..the quality ranges as some are live...... EFEX-attempt 1 thru 5 NIGEL RICHARDS- an experiment in trance acid frenzy EFEX/ROBERT ARMANI- live at acidic opera DBX- live at acidic opera ( also I have an untitled studio tape-trance) DRC- ritual addiction(NYC) CARL COX- untitled FRESH BLEND- kentucky DJ APOLLO- ao2 ao3 COMMUNION LIVE- DRONE/ACID BOY TODD P JEDDIDIAH/EFEX- live at rapture/pollination '94 DJ SPUN- live at pollination studio tape from sf DJ BARRINGTON- AWESOME BREAKS FROM THE UK(live) THE LIST GOES ON.. those are just some of the best...also...i've heard of tape pyrimids( ?)...any info out there? Ben dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 02:51:40 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA02731; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 21:51:18 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA17489; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:48:03 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:48:03 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jwelch@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MrJP To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Kenny Larkin (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I just saw this on the IDM list and thought it might be of intrest to Mw-ravers............ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 17:06:06 -0800 (PST) From: Alan M. Parry To: IDM Subject: Kenny Larkin Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:53:34 -0500 (EST) From:REVERBMAG@delphi.com Subject: (313) Kenny Larkin OK. I don't know if this should be out here .. but you'll all find out anyway soon enough. ***** Kenny Larkin was shot last night outside his home. 2 Men apparently were going to rob him (though they stated they were looking for someone) ... Kenny I guess got wise to the situation and came out of his house with his own gun. He missed. They didn't. He took one in the stomach, but the bullet exited and apparently did no major damage. He's doing as well as could be expected. I got this word of mouth and not from the news ... I'll update you and clarify anything I may have misinterpreted. -reverb From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 02:59:37 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA02890; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 21:59:29 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA18071; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:53:52 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:53:52 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJLNHG5QAA9EDAIE@jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: rlk@intrepid.chm.jhu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: rlk@intrepid.chm.jhu.edu (rlk) To: Multiple recipients of list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >I have weighed in on the for or against sides That was supposed to say I haven't weighed in..... And looking at my rebounded message I realize that a lot of people are gonna tell me what Vicks+E feels like. I was wandering *why* it feels that way. peace, ron From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 03:11:06 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA03209; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:10:52 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA18654; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:58:38 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:58:38 -0600 Message-Id: <9411180328.AA04705@blackhawks.d2.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: fixer@d2.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: fixer@d2.com (Robert Smith) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Tapes X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Reprinted without permission from: InterLAB }DRC- ritual addiction(NYC) } Darcy (DJ DRC) is from San Francisco, not NYC. Hard tribal acid music. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ fixer@d2.com is Robert Smith Digital Domain phone: 310/314-2920 300 Rose Avenue fax: 310/314-2866 Venice, CA 90291 _____________________________________________________________________________ "I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of gum" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 03:16:25 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA03325; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:16:04 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA20221; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 21:11:06 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 21:11:06 -0600 Message-Id: <9411180309.AA14344@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aw975794@oak.cats.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Amy Waldowski To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re:XENODOCHEUM X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey peoples! i am just wondering if anyone out there will be going to XENODOCHEUM in Columbus this weekend? i am going and would love to meet anyone who is there, also. Come talk to me( i will have a name tag and becca says if you don't come up to me she will beat you up-she will find you! :) ) or let me know where to meet...Also, my sister and friend will be with me and i have to ask if anyone can provide crash space for the three of us for a couple of hours Sunday morning. Let me know ASAP....Thanks everyone! :) -amy(butterfly) aw975794@oak.cats.ohiou.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 04:05:28 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA04438; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:05:03 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA26042; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:01:10 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:01:10 -0600 Message-Id: <199411180357.DAA00454@falcon.depaul.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: goldbaum@falcon.depaul.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nate Goldbaum To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: last friday in milwaukee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > > Reprinted without permission from: Paul Allen > } > }fixer brain-burped: > } > }>I would have just knock your ass into the door, then handcuffed you. > }.. > }>You get no sympathy from me, my friend. > }> > } > }What the fuck is this shit? > } > } > } fuck you too > } > } > } Allen.para > > > Fuck me? Put yourself in the cops' shoes. You have a job to do, agree > with the laws that are being broken or not. Obvious signs of drug use, > unknown who's sorted and on what. Many people get extremely violent when > drugged up, and many dealers have weapons to equal yours. > > Do you expect any cop to let someone just run away from a bust, while > just saying nicely "Wait here, if you feel like it, sir."? > > I am all for civil disobedience. I am also against whining when it all > doesn't go your way. Remember Socrates? He died for his rebelliousness. > > I don't think I would have put it this way, especially since Shannon is a good friend of mine. But, I think fixer has a good point. If you are committing an act that you think should not be a crime then fighting the cops the way Shannon did is going to make the situation worse. The point of civil disobedience is that it is both civil and disobedient. Slamming the door in the face of the cops is merely disobedient and is so in such a way that *you* become the enemy of peace and order, not the cops. If you want to prove the gov't wrong then you have to take the moral high road. Stand your ground and passively resist arrest. Don't do it because "the cops are our enemies" but because they are misguided people trying to do the "right" thing. Show them that what they are doing is wrong by acting in a peaceful manner. If you act like an enemy of the state, you will be perceived as one and your message will never get across. Many of us have asked the question to ourselves or to fellow ravers (when a bust is goin' down) "what would happen if we all just *sat* *down* and refused to leave?" Maybe we need to find out. Perhaps it's time we organized "protest raves" in which all participants are prepared to stand their ground and protest the bullshit. In order to do so, everyone has to agree and know _ahead of time_ what we are protesting for and *how* we are protesting (non-violently). Just an idea. Oh, and speaking of police bullshit... I talked to Mystic Bill tonight. He said that he was *not* arrested at Home, but that the cops searched through his records, pulled them all out and left them in general disorder. Then they wouldn't let him take them home with him that night, he had to go back the next day for them. He also said that they searched Traxx's equipment and fucked some of it up *and* they went through the apartment of someone who lived there & took some things (pictures & stuff) from him. He wanted to remind everyone that if the police or Rainbo security gave anyone here a hassle, they should leave a message on his or Roger & Lori's voxmail so they can take legal action. He also said that most, if not all of the searches conducted at the rave were *illegal* and that they expect everyone's charges to be dropped on that account (even the fellow from Mpls). Evidently, someone present took pictures of the cops illegally searching people and they have some witnesses. I think he'd probably appreciate it if anyone who witnessed any kind of search or arrest to call the voicemail if you are willing to testify as to the conditions of the search. I hope we can all band together to try and turn this into something positive. peaceout nate From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 04:25:08 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA04804; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:24:10 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA28814; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:21:21 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:21:21 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MiCKeY HoNMyHR To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: mpls.. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO the following does not reflect the views of the mpls krew kidz, just a fellow raver. being a "mpls krew kid" i am gonna add in my $5.00 i think that every city has its problems, i will admit that lately mpls sure has and i do question it. over the past 3 months there seems to be a trend of paying $13, standing around, and something always falling through. obviously it is not perfect- neither is chicago, of milwaukee or even grinnell (those lovely grls upstairs)!!! no matter where you travel for a rave there is always a risk involved. i dont think that one scene is better than another. one might be bigger, one more unified, one safer...whatever. you can pick out the negative in everything, but keep in mind there is always a positive. i think that we need to stand together and not only support our own scenes and work to change them , but also help others. it is easy to see problems and i think that it is good that we can discuss them, but i think that we need to work together to do something. the mid-west scene is far from dying out. the mw-calendar is proof of that. sometimes i feel very hypocritical cuz i want to support mpls..but it is hard. i am glad that there are more mpls kidz on the net too. granted we all have our differences we truly are a road tripping net- family. i am a very lucky girl to have a "sister" like hannah and "brothers" jon, steve, dave, bob, tim, paul, matt, dan, bryan, ben, and todd. i love you guys sooooo much. this weekend the fargo krew and i are heading to chicago. we are all very excited as i am the only one of all of us who has ever been out of the nd/mn area. i know we are gonna have a great time and am looking fwd to meeting more of my net-fam. i love ya'll oodles and oodles-take care. mouse- Mpls net-raver and proud of it!!!! p.s. flame away..... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- M I C K E Y H O N M Y H R i think he said stand together- beastie boys ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 04:26:04 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA04843; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:25:32 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA29104; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:22:46 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:22:46 -0600 Message-Id: <9411180451.AA06080@blackhawks.d2.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: fixer@d2.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: fixer@d2.com (Robert Smith) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Tapes X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Reprinted without permission from: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu }I posted this to swap tapes...so are you interested or what? If not ....I'd }ask you to save petty corrections for another time( as I'm sure you would ex- }plode if you just couldn't make them!) }I personally feel that you just want to be seen as a know it all as you posted }your reply to us AND mwr...believe me...nobody is impressed. I would love for all people to have all knowledge. To futher this, I correct people when I know correct information. Ask around, I often have a lot of correct information about stuff. I could care no less if people are impressed or if people listen or if people believe me. }Why such hostility? You ripped on a friend of mine here at ilab and I don't }care for that.Sure he may have asked for a gun in the back of his head...but }we should not miss the underlying point....We are supposed to be gathering in [blah blah blah on what we're supposed to be doing deleted] More of this "We're supposed to be _______" shit. I'm not hostile, I'm a realist. The hippies of the past failed because they looked at the world as they thought it should be, not how it really was. Work with what you have, not with some idealized notions. That is my worldview, and that is where any of my thoughts come from. If you don't want to look at the reality of your surroundings, eat some more drugs and drool on yourself. The current reality isn't going to wait for you. -- _____________________________________________________________________________ fixer@d2.com is Robert Smith Digital Domain phone: 310/314-2920 300 Rose Avenue fax: 310/314-2866 Venice, CA 90291 _____________________________________________________________________________ "I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of gum" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 04:39:02 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA05116; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:38:51 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA01012; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:36:39 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:36:39 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: barnetjr@ucunix.san.uc.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jenifer A Barnett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Re[2]: ketamine and other stuff X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, Kammerer, Mark J wrote: > ImSmartRU writes, > > >There are several ways to avoid the day after hangover. Prozac is not > >one of them. The reason you feel better after taking prozac is that it > >inhibits the brake down of seritonin at the neuroreceptor site, causing > >overstimulation. To replace your seritonin, eat foods which contain high > >levels of tryptophan, like milk. > > Yet J2 is quoted in Massive 7 as saying, > > Did you know that if you consume any dairy product during or soon after > downing MDMA you can become incredibly sick? It's some pretty serious > neurochemistry. As in crippling painful headaches which can last up to > days. Do you even know what an MAO inhibitor is? > > I see a definite conflict here. Can anyone resolve this? > > mark j > well to answer your question Maoi stands for mon amine oxidase inhibitor. Basically a MAOI drug interferes with the enzymes that break down various neurotransmitters. So that instead of being broken down and recycled as it should be the neurotransmitters hang around longer. In the case with E the excess seritonin secretion caused by the E combined with the effects of a maoi drug cause extreme overstimulation. This is where you could damage your neuroreceptors. As far as the dairy connection I don't follow the reasoning behind it causing headaches. The only reason I mentioned milk is that it is one of the easiest food that are high in tryptophan. The hangover is caused by neurotransmitter depletion (mostly). Tryptophan is a direct seritonin precursor. Also phenylalanine and DMAE and choline are direct precursors of other neurotransmitters. Phenylalanine is by far the most important of these precursors. Take it. Preferrable 1-2grams. I hope this clears uyp some of th econfusion. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 04:52:36 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA05359; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:52:21 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA02803; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:50:20 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 22:50:20 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: gb is fukin hostile X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO enough with the fucking hostility, all right? if you guys are so intent on putting each other down all the time then why dont you get off the mw-raves list, and on to the breaks list. sure, mw-r. cant be bunnies and butterflies all the time, but i deal with enough bickering through the breaks list. sorry. ive had a shitty day, havent slept since monday, dont mean to take it out on ya'all...but, well, the last thing i need to hear about is bickering about minor technicalities and typos! i am anal retentive...when something is wrong it needs to be fixed...i am not showing off or trying to put anyone down, its just in my nature...if the drc typo was not already fixed, i would have fixed it also... so guys, maybe we should take all that enclosed hostility and instead of throwing it back at eachother...put it to a much worthier cause....like a cross country run to st louis tommorow for jon williams! come on, weve got 24 hrs, we can do it!!!! gretchen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 05:15:55 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA05886; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 00:15:09 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA05117; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:13:39 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:13:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199411180512.XAA04982@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: beatpunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: last friday in milwaukee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >>I would have just knock your ass into the door, then handcuffed you. >>You get no sympathy from me, my friend. >What the fuck is this shit? > fuck you too Break it up, guys. We don't need this here. ---------------------------beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu------------------------------ "And the further I get from the things that I care about The less I care about how much further away I get" -Robert Smith From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 05:24:19 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA06105; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 00:23:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA06175; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:21:45 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:21:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199411180521.XAA06129@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: beatpunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: last friday in milwaukee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >peace and order, not the cops. If you want to prove the gov't wrong >then you have to take the moral high road. Stand your ground and >passively resist arrest. Don't do it because "the cops are our >enemies" but because they are misguided people trying to do the >"right" thing. Show them that what they are doing is wrong by acting Holding a gun to the head of some strange kid who has done nothing to threaten you is not the "right" thing to do. Ever. Period. >(when a bust is goin' down) "what would happen if we all just *sat* >*down* and refused to leave?" Maybe we need to find out. Perhaps A rave-in. :) ---------------------------beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu------------------------------ "And the further I get from the things that I care about The less I care about how much further away I get" -Robert Smith From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 05:38:43 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA06488; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 00:38:15 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA08143; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:36:31 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:36:31 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jayvee@cy.math.uic.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jay Gril To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: greetings and salutations! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, todd a jones wrote: > PLUR=? > IMHO=? PLUR= Guess everybody has different definitions about it, and it will be an interesting thread if the people start to post what PLUR means for them. IMHO= In my humble opinion. SEX= mmmmm.. you got me on that one :P Jayvee (yeah I'm a d0RK, and so what :)) +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | ______ __ __ ____ ____ | jayvee@cy.math.uic.edu | | / / _ \ \ /\/ /__\ __\ | U16080@uicvm.uic.edu | | _/ / _ \ / / ___\ ___\ | Jayvee@IRC | | \____\_\ /_/_/\__/_____/____/ | jayvee@Vrave | | | | +---------------------------------+-------------------------------------+ | "Mmmmmm, mmmmm, I love technology!!" - Sigue Sigue Sputnik | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 05:40:01 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA06525; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 00:39:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA08397; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:37:59 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 23:37:59 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJLQVTLK6MQPJ2YI@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: HOEL@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: HOEL@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: mpls X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, there is something that is great about living in Platteville... There isn't much of a scene here to support... So I have to go to where ever my friends will take me... I guess I don't care where I go as long as the music is playing loud and hard (that sounds cheesy, but.. ah who cares...) Ryan WH Guess what us Platteville ravers figured out... ***************************************************************************** * HOEL@uwplatt.edu "We are uncorrupt and tolerably enlightened * * Ryan Wesley Hoel judges of the transactions of the past ages; * * :> :> :> :> :> :> :> where no passions decieve, and where the whole* * Fun House Productions train of circumstances from the trifling cause* * 608 342 3169(ask for Eric) to the tragical event, is set in an orderly * * shoe size: 9 1/2 series before us." * * - Edmund Burke * ***************************************************************************** From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 09:12:28 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA09497; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:12:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA21095; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 03:11:04 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 03:11:04 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Realizations/phish/insomnia X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i have been doing some thinking...or maybe i am just delerious from lack of sleep... although missing jon williams seems like a fate worse than...gabber.... i have come to the conclusion that although this is devistating now, it is not the end of the world...i have been to literally hundreds of parties in my time, and missing one is not the end of the world... sure, i have been psyching myself up for this for over a month now, but i'm a trooper. i will make it through. i suppose this will give me a chance to focus on school (errr...) and get my work done, instead of being social... enough wollowing for me...i will be mature about this...even though i am how shall i say, rather perturbed? i must thank ben for lifting my spirits, and tim (kiddo hehe) for making me realize how pathetic i am for getting so upset over something so menial... this is a big step for me. shut up.. you must understand how hard this is for me...jon williams (fruit salad) has gotten me through a lot... but if by chance anyone does have an extra space....PPPPLLLLEEEEAAAASSSEEEE let me know. thank you. oh and for the members of the phun phish phan club... i regret to inform you that there has been a slight conspiracy... i have been keeping valuable information from you all...or most of you...i confided in a few members... phish 1 + 2 passed on the day before the big drawing...my roomate placed them on the tv and well...boiled them...we had a proper funeral, though. i said the full eulegy... i did not deal well with the loss of my finned friends, so i neglected to inform you all...but i feel, i cant hide this forever...1+2 are dead. off to that applesause jar in the sky... nibblin some fishy food flippin those fishy fins bloopin bubbles... im sure they are happy... rip 1+2...oh life is so cruel...or maybe just roomates... my, god i need sleep. insomnia sucks. anyone spot me a quaalude? nah, never mind. ill stick to gavin hardkiss...it usually does the trick...oh who am i kidding, i havent gotten a wink of sleep since monday... yeesh, someone shut me up... sorry all, if anyone is still reading this....which i doubt... have a good night and weekend... i hope to see you all at ummm....universal love? is that next weekend? im still looking for any interested folks to travel to toronto on the 10th...good breaks..damn good... shut up gretchen go to bed! oh god now im talking to myself this is a bad sign... im shutting up. gretchen e blount From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 09:12:35 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA09503; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:12:22 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA21173; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 03:11:23 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 03:11:23 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MiCKeY HoNMyHR To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Becca... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO becca- please get in touch with me. i have a message for ya. mouse ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- M I C K E Y H O N M Y H R "i think he said stand together" - beastie boys ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 09:12:44 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA09513; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:12:33 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA21036; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 03:10:42 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 03:10:42 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: tapes X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO SO DOES ANYONE WANT TO SWAP TAPES OR WHAT? LOVE TO YOU WHO ANSWERS!!!!!!!!!!!! BEN dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 09:12:57 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA09523; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:12:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA21260; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 03:11:43 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 03:11:43 -0600 Message-Id: <199411180832.CAA19641@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: dynamic@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: DynamicGroove To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: drive/sleep ? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ive made lots of long-distance trips to raves throughout the midwest (minn., stl, ky, chicago, green bay, detroit) im pretty good w/ cars and driving for long periods. but what really helps me get through is ephidrine. not enough for a buzz. but just one or two pills every 2-4 hours. it works wonders. i made it from milwaukee to minneapolis, to st. louis & back to milwaukee w/ hardly any sleep thanks to ephidrine. another thing that helps with long trips is NOT listening to techno. when your really, really tired it id too repetitive and hypnotic. try talk radio, it keeps your brain in constant thought enough to keep you awake. or if you can keep your friends up, turn the radio off and just talk. *joe* From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 09:36:30 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA09772; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:36:23 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA22410; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 03:35:25 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 03:35:25 -0600 Message-Id: <199411180934.DAA22376@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: dynamic@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: DynamicGroove To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: anyone wanna move to milwaukee ? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO one of my roomates wants to move back to his parents house so he can save $$$ for college. my other roomate is his best friend and if rommie #1 goes he wants to go too. so im stuck with a small problem. i need 2 new roomates or a new home with someone else. does anyone want to move to milwaukee ? heres some info: im located at 3077 n. humboldt blvd. just west of the milwaukee river in the riverwest/east side (the cool part of milwaukee). its an upper flat w/ 3 bedrooms, 2 porches, a large living room w/ faux fireplace, a formal dining room, a large kitchen w/ a big pantry. oak floors and lots of natural woodwork. the bedrooms available are bigger than mine. free laundry in basement neighbors downstairs never seem to be home. rent would be split 3 ways at $190 each + 1/3 of utl. (cheap) available dec. or maybe jan. 1st the leese is currently in my roomates name only. we would sublet together or possibly have a new leese drawn up. if interested please email me or call me at work mon.-thur. 6pm - 12am 414.289.9993 or... if i cant find new roomates in time does anyone in milwaukee have a vacancy ??? *joe* From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 09:55:21 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA09927; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 04:55:14 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA23081; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 03:54:11 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 03:54:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199411180953.DAA05226@batch1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: S987071@UMSLVMA.UMSL.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Catherina Willard To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: oops X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO my mailbox is overflowing because i went out of town for a few days and forgot to unsub... i just tried to unsub (because i'm leaving again) and i forgot that you have to mail a different address to take care of the technical stuff. can someone send it to me, cause i can't find it... i know it's some- where in this pile of fliers and addresses and and junk mail and bills and phone numbers and........... thanx! PLUR, T From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 15:25:06 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA14721; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:24:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA11460; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:14:10 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:14:10 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Kenny Larkin (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I got this from IDM today. Just FYI... - stevenJ ____________________________________________________________________________ Forwarded message: >From hyperreal.com!idm-owner Thu Nov 17 21:27:34 1994 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 17:06:06 -0800 (PST) From: "Alan M. Parry" Subject: Kenny Larkin To: IDM Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-idm@hyperreal.com Precedence: bulk Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:53:34 -0500 (EST) From:REVERBMAG@delphi.com Subject: (313) Kenny Larkin OK. I don't know if this should be out here .. but you'll all find out anyway soon enough. ***** Kenny Larkin was shot last night outside his home. 2 Men apparently were going to rob him (though they stated they were looking for someone) ... Kenny I guess got wise to the situation and came out of his house with his own gun. He missed. They didn't. He took one in the stomach, but the bullet exited and apparently did no major damage. He's doing as well as could be expected. I got this word of mouth and not from the news ... I'll update you and clarify anything I may have misinterpreted. -reverb From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 15:28:21 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA14777; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:28:11 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA12564; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:21:49 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:21:49 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Info on drugs (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Forwarded message: > From: fixer@d2.com (Robert Smith) > > Best place for this type of stuff is alt.drugs on Usenet. I have > heard there are some people with real knowledge there, as opposed > to here, where most of us just know word of mouth knowledge and > uneducated/unexplained experiences. Maybe if someone actually gets some facts about what we have been discussing they could forward it back to mw-raves. That would be extremely helpful. - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 15:34:33 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA14944; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:34:18 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA14646; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:32:20 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:32:20 -0600 Message-Id: <9411181549.AA02052@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jong@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jon Gilkison To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Kenny Larkin (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I don't mean to sound ignorant, but who is Kenny Larkin? Is he on the list? A DJ? A musician? earache From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 15:50:04 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA15316; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:49:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA17335; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:46:31 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:46:31 -0600 Message-Id: <199411181545.KAA03851@beauty.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mcjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: mcjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (M. Christopher Jones) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Xenodocheum hints. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hi. First I would like to extend a welcome for anyone coming to Columbus Saturday night for Xenodocheum. The lineup is good, the space is fine and the price is right so if you have been thinking about coming, by all means come. I also thought I should advise anyone who is unfamiliar with the OSU campus area that this Saturday is also the day of the OSU vs Michigan home game. This game is always the biggest game of the season and the campus area will be overrun with football fans before and after the game which starts at 12:10pm. Traffic in and around campus will be screwy for about an hour before the game and for a couple of hours afterward (3:30 to 5:30). The place to avoid later after the game is High St just south of campus which is where the highest concentration of bars are. There will be people in the street and there will be plenty of police watching over things throughout the night. The Newport is about four blocks north of this area so it would be wise to park north of 12th ave and walk south to the Newport. There is also a university parking garage across the street so if it isn't full it may be worth the $4 to park there. Street parking will probably be at a premium, so if you find yourself parking more than a couple blocks from the venue please exercise good judgment about where you park and simply be aware of where you are and who is around you. Remember, it is very difficult to discuss the finer points of PLUR with someone who has had too much to drink. See you there. Be careful and dance your ass off. -Chris (litho) Btw, there will be the ubiquitous net gathering at 1am at the smart bar. ________________________________________________________________________________ "Litho" M. Christopher Jones mcjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu ________________________________________________________________________________ C o n c e n t r a t e on my v o i c e.......... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 16:07:28 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA15742; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:07:12 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA20995; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:04:30 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:04:30 -0600 Message-Id: <9411181603.AA22301@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: kiwi@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: kiwi@expert.cc.purdue.edu (-==Kiwi==-) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Crossword X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO This really doesn't ahve anything to do with anything, but in today's crossword puzzle, both Utopia and Xanadu are answers. I just thought it was kind of neat. Oh, is everyone meeting at the smart bar at 1:00 for Acidic Pyramid? +) kiwi - -- Stephen Roberts | Purdue University | Drugs against war. Philosopher | From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 16:31:53 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA16393; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:31:42 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA25341; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:28:14 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:28:14 -0600 Message-Id: <199411181627.KAA25144@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: dynamic@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: DynamicGroove To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: mdma.tips X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO found this on the hyperreal site. thought it might be of interest. i think im gonna photocopy it for distribition... --------------- This is something that a friend of mine picked up at the last rave party in San Francisco - so, if there's anyone out there who is interested in doing "E" for the first time, read this for a little more information... Don't mind the part about the law controling minors.... Anyway, check this out--this is a small flier that was posted and all around the space (100,000 sqft) SEC. 1070.16 SAN FRANCISCO POLICE CODE: MINORS. No person under 21 years of age shall enter, be, or remain in or on any premises operated as a cabaret. A licensee shall not permit such a person to enter, be, or remain in or on any such premises. (Added by Ord. 252-70, App. 7/23/70) Cabaret license begins at 2:30am. *ALL MINORS TO EXIT AT 2:30am* "e info - practical information about ecstacy" The multi-faceted jewel Ectasy catalyzes a powerful experience that takes many different forms. It can provoke and intense, energetic, spiritual high or lead to warm, loving relaxation. It can connect poeple freely and openly with each other or promote deep inner thinking and analysis. Sensual yet not neccessarily sexual, beautiful and sometimes dangerous, Ecstacy covers a wide range of human emotions, experiences, and passions. What you put into it is what you get out, so be sure to explore the many facets of the experience. Those little annoying side effects Although some people say it has no side effects, Ecstasy is not the perfect drug. Users have reported a variety of mild physical symptoms such as jaw clencing, teeth grinding, eye wiggles, tightened muscles, sweating, chills, increased heart rate, blood pressure and body temperature, auditory effects, nausea, shaking, and next-day sleepiness. Occasionally it can cause toxic reactions in people with asthma, heart conditions, diabetes, epilepsy, psychosis, or depression. Remember, Ecstasy is a powerful drug. Treat it - and your body - with respect. As time passes... Myths abound concerning Ecstasy's effects after repeated usage. Most claims (such as that it causes Parkinson's disease or drains spinal fluid) actually refer to other drugs or common misconceptions. Although scientists suspect that some nerve terminal damge and neurotransmitter depletion in the brain based on animal research, the true long term effects and implications remain a mystery until further human research becomes legal. By avoiding the temptation to use Ecstasy too frequently, you can lessen the risk and have more fun. Less is more An active does of Ecstasy depends on one's body weight, sensitivity, and prior use. A typical "hit" contains 75-125 milligrams. Over 175 milligrams increases side effects for many users. Taking a larger dose does not neccessarily mean a better experience - it may be more "speedy," but less ecstatic. Some tips for Ecstasy users * Drink water to replenish body fluids. * From time to time, stop dancing and chill for a while. Take deep breaths and relax. * Maintain a healthy lifestyle outside the raves: eat a balanced diet, take vitamins, and get plenty of sleep. * Remember: Less is more. Large or frequent doses can increase the side effects without adding to the experience. * Integrate what you've learned. Think about your thoughts and feelings and try to apply them to real life. * Much of what is sold as Ecstasy is not pure MDMA. Be cautious of what you buy and who you buy it from. Impurities may include amphetamine, LSD, heroin, or PCP. * Alcohol can reduce or change the effects of Ecstasy, and the combination can cause undesired effects. (Diagram of the chemical structure of Ecstasy, also known as MDMA) We hope this flyer helps provide useful information and removes some of the mysteries. Please be careful and responsible; learn from your experiences. Take the joy and spirit of the raves home with you, and together, we can make this a better world for everyone. The publishers and distributors of this flyer do not condone or encourage drug use. It's none of our business if you use drugs or not, but if you do, be careful. Keep the scene alive for all of us, and remember: DRINK LOTS OF WATER. Stay informed Useful facts about drugs can be hard to fin among the anti-drug hype. here are some excellent references: Ecstasy: The MDMA Story by Bruce Eisner (Ronin Press) contains a good overview of the history, effects, use, science, and politics of MDMA. Try asking your local bookstore to order it. PIHKAL: A Chemical Love Story by Ann & Alexander Shulgin (Transform Press) is a novel about psychedelic chemicals and experiences, icluding MDMA. Pursuit of Ecstasy: The MDMA Experience by Jerome Beck and Marsha Rosenbaum (forthcoming from SUNY Press later this year) describes patterns of MDMA use in the 70s and 80s. Xochi Speaks, a full-color educational poster and booklet, provides practical info on MDMA and eleven other psychedelic substances. Send a stamped, self-addressed envelope for details to Lord Nose!, P.O. Box 170473R, San Francisco, CA 94117. The Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedlic Studies (MAPS) funds scientific research on MDMA and has publications available about MDMA and other psychedelic drugs. Write to MAPS, 1801 Tipah Ave, Charlotte, NC 28205. e i n f o Coming soon: the Info-e Forum, providing answers to all your Ecstasy questions. Call (415) 905-4514 for more info. *** From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 16:35:03 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA16454; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:34:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA24876; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:25:59 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:25:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199411181624.KAA24651@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: dynamic@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: DynamicGroove To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: mdmaFAQ X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO MDMA Frequently-Asked-Questions Document First Author/Editor: Jon M. Taylor (jmt0165@u.cc.utah.edu) Last Major Update: 15-Feb-94 rjesse (rnj%lila@us.oracle.com) Last Minor Update: 27-May-94 rjesse (rnj%lila@us.oracle.com) FAQ Maintainer: Brian Behlendorf (brian@wired.com) Changes in 15-Feb and 27-May revisions: - Modified dosing information; added supplemental dosing note - Added III. Safety and Neurotoxicity Discussion - Added Note on Using MDMA Many Times - Replaced Chemistry section with Lamont Granquists's new survey - Added more references Table of Contents: ================== I. Introduction - Disclaimer - Credits II. General - Dosing - Contraindications and overdose information - Effects - Notes on having a rewarding time - Note on using MDMA many times III. Safety & Neurotoxicity Discussion - Behavioral Safety Concerns - Neurotoxicity? - Immune System - Preventive Measures - Conclusion IV. Chemistry V. Miscellany - Rumor Control - Analogues and related compounds - Related Reading - Organizations =============================================================================== I. Introduction =============== Disclaimer: ----------- This file is an attempt to collect some of the information about MDMA that is floating around on the net in various stages of organization into one easy-to-read document. Ideally, everything that anyone would want to know about MDMA would be included in this document. In practice, there will always be some useful bit of information that haven't made it in yet.. If you find anything that you feel should be added, changed, deleted, or properly credited, please let the maintainer know (address given above). This FAQ is provided for informational purposes ONLY. The authors, contributors, and editors do not advocate the use of anything described in this document, and accept NO responsibility for any harm that might occur as a result of acting on any of the information contained here. Although good faith effort has been made to ensure the validity of the information contained in this document, no guarantees or assurances of accuracy are provided by anyone. Read at your own risk, act at your own risk. Credits: -------- Many people on the net have provided, knowingly or not, much of the information that went into making this FAQ document. In particular, the largest contributors were: David Honig (honig@ics.uci.edu), assembler of the first proto-FAQ for MDMA. Chris Klausmeier (cklausem@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu), manager of the current alt.drugs ftp site, where Jon got most of the info that went into the first editions of the FAQ. Lamont Granquist (lamontg@cs.washington.edu), author of the new Chemistry survey inserted into the FAQ 27 May 1994, and provider of general wisdom. Robert Jesse (rnj%lila@us.oracle.com), author/editor of the first Neurotox, Behavioral Safety Concerns, and Using MDMA Many Times sections. =============================================================================== II. General =========== MDMA (also commonly known as Ecstacy, X, E, XTC, Adam, etc.) is a semi-synthetic chemical compound. In its pure form, it is a white crystalline powder. It usually seen in capsule form, in pressed pills, or as loose powder. Average cost ranges from $10-$30 (U.S.) a dose. Common routes of administration are swallowing or snorting, although it can be smoked or injected as well. Currently, MDMA is on the U.S. Schedule I of controlled substances, and is illegal to manufacture, possess, or sell in the United States. Most other countries have similar laws. According to Nicholas Saunders (1993), "MDMA was patented as long ago as 1913 by the German company Merck. [...] The patent doesn't mention uses." See PIHKAL (Shulgin & Shulgin 1991) or Shulgin 1986 for more history, including how Alexander Shulgin brought the drug to the attention of psychotherapists in the 1970s. Dosing: ------- Usual doses of MDMA range from around 80 to 160 milligrams (orally), though monks have used lower doses (40-60 mg) to assist meditation, and therapists have sometimes taken similarly low doses to become more in tune with clients. A benchmark standard dose is often considered to be 2 mg of MDMA per kilogram of body weight (though response to the drug is not strictly proportional to body weight). When MDMA is taken by mouth, the effects manifest about 30-45 minutes later; snorting, smoking or injecting produces much quicker onset. The primary effects usually reach a plateau at T+1:00 (one hour after taking the dose) to T+1:30, stay there for some two hours, then start tapering gradually. The primary effects are pretty much over by T+4:00 to T+6:00. Secondary effects (afterglow) may be felt for days, and tertiary psychological effects (e.g. improved outlook) may last indefinitely. Supplemental dosing: If you have taken an ordinary dose of MDMA (say 2 mg/kg), you like where you are at about T+1:30 (you will have reached plateau by then), and would like to prolong your stay there, take a supplement equal to about 1/3 to 1/2 the initial dose. Taking much more than this is likely to induce or increase unwanted side effects without providing additional benefit in return. Contraindications and overdose information: ------------------------------------------- MDMA causes an increase in blood pressure and pulse rate, modest in most people, similar to moderate exercise. Because of this, and because a few people may have a more pronounced cardiac response to MDMA, people with a history of high blood pressure, heart trouble, or stroke are advised not to use MDMA, or at the very least are advised to start with a much lower than average dose. The same warning applies to people who are hypersensitive to drugs. Liver or kidney problems may also contraindicate MDMA use. It is, of course, desirable to hear from your physician that you're in good overall health before ingesting any powerful substance. Deaths have been reported of some MDMA users who were also taking Monoamine Oxidase Inhibitors (MAOIs are often prescribed as antidepressants). MDMA is *not* recommended to anyone taking any MAOI. Ask your doctor or pharmacist if you're unsure whether a drug you are taking is an MAOI. Also be aware that some antidepressants (e.g. Prozac and Zoloft) may inhibit some of the effects of MDMA. MDMA is thought by many to be a fairly safe drug, as long as you keep track of what your body is telling you (see Section III below for more discussion of safety). The euphoria that it induces can make it easy to ignore bodily distress signals, so be watchful for things like dehydration (drink lots of water or fruit juices!), muscle cramping, dizziness, exhaustion or overexertion. Several reports from England tell of dosed ravers dancing themselves into severe dehydration and heat exhaustion that required hospitalization and in a few cases resulted in death. An MDMA overdose is characterized by high pulse or blood pressure, faintness, muscle cramping, or panic attacks. If you experience any of these symptoms, sit down, rest, and drink some fruit juice, water, or a gatorade-type sports drink. In the unlikely event someone has a more severe reaction, e.g. loss of consciousness or seizures, get medical help as soon as possible. Effects: -------- The physical effects of usual doses of MDMA are subtle and variable: some users report dryness of mouth, jaw clenching, teeth grinding, nystagmus (eye wiggles), sweating, or nausea. Others report feelings of profound physical relaxation. At higher doses (overdoses), the physical effects of MDMA resemble those of amphetamines: fast or pounding heartbeat, sweating, dizziness, restlessness, etc. The psychological effects are a bit more difficult to describe, since they are many and of widely varying effects. The major ones are: - Entactogenesis ("touching within") This is a generalized feeling that all is right and good with the world. People on MDMA often describe feeling "at peace" or experiencing a generalized "happy" feeling. Also, common everyday things may seem to be abnormally beautiful or interesting. Alexander Shulgin reported that mountains that he had observed many times before appeared to be so beautiful that he could barely stand looking at them. - Empathogenesis Empathogenesis is a feeling of emotional closeness to others (and to one's self) coupled with a breakdown of personal communication barriers. People on MDMA report feeling much more at ease talking to others and that any hangups that one may have with regard to "opening up" to others may be reduced or even eliminated. This effect is partially responsible for MDMA's being known as a "hug drug" - the increased emotional closeness makes personal contact quite rewarding. Many people use MDMA primarily for this effect, reporting that it makes potentially awkward or uncomfortable social situations (singles bars, dance clubs, etc.) much more easily dealt with. "[Conversation] just flows like water" said one person. "It seems like you know exactly what to say and when to say it. It's like a filter between what you want to express and what comes out of your mouth that you didn't even know existed is stripped away." This same person also reported that they used to use alcohol for many of these same reasons, but found MDMA to be more effective. - An enhancement of the senses MDMA can significantly enhance (sometimes distort) the senses - touch, proprioception, vision, taste, smell. MDMAers can sometimes be seen running their hands over differently textured objects repeatedly, tasting and smelling various foods/drinks. This effect also contributes to the "hug drug" effect because of the novel feeling of running one's hands over skin and having one's skin rubbed by someone else's hands. Before it was made illegal, MDMA was gaining a reputation among the psychiatric community as a valuable therapeutic tool. People under its influence often report seeing their lives in a whole new light. "I was completely blown away the first time I did X" said the same person quoted above. "I saw some of my problems that I didn't even know I had! All of a sudden, It seemed like the source, nature and sometimes even the solution of all my personal difficulties were completely obvious." Surfacing of repressed memories has also been reported. Despite the legal risks surrounding Schedule I drugs, some therapists are still using MDMA in their practices. For a report on the subjective experiences and psychological/behavioral sequelae of 20 psychiatrists who took MDMA, see "Phenomenology and Sequelae of 3,4 Methylenedioxy-methamphetamine Use" (Liester, Grob, Bravo, and Walsh) in J. Nervous and Mental Disease, Vol 180, No. 6, June 1992, Serial No. 1315. Most people find the MDMA state so valuable by itself that it's not clear there's much to be gained from combining MDMA with most other substances (though the combination of of MDMA with LSD seems to have a strong following). Further, combining drugs ("polydrug use" and "polydrug abuse") complicates the medical and behavioral safety picture. For this reason, it is not a recommended practice in the absence of expert guidance. Here is a chart of commonly encountered drugs and some of their reactions when combined with MDMA: Drug | Reaction Information ============================================================================== Marijuana | Not known for dangerous reactions. MJ is habit-forming for | some users. --------------|--------------------------------------------------------------- LSD | Not known for dangerous reactions. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Amphetamines | Amphetamine overdosage probability is dramatically increased. | Strongly discouraged. Speed is addictive. --------------|--------------------------------------------------------------- Cocaine | Same as Amphetamines. Cocaine is addictive. --------------|--------------------------------------------------------------- Heroin or | No dangerous reaction, but the stimulant effect of MDMA may other opiates | mask the opiate's sedative effect and increase the likelihood | of overdose. The opiates are addictive. --------------|--------------------------------------------------------------- Tobacco | Not known for dangerous reactions. Tobacco is highly | addictive and carcinogenic. --------------|--------------------------------------------------------------- Alcohol | Same danger as opiates, also can dangerously exacerbate the | dehydration that MDMA normally causes. Not recommended. | Alcohol is habit-forming for some users. --------------|--------------------------------------------------------------- Note that this chart does not cover cross-reactions of mental effects. This will be covered in the next section. Notes on having a rewarding time: --------------------------------- MDMA is used by different people for different things. Because the drug has such a wide range of effects, it can add to almost any activity. Here are some of the more common activities than people take MDMA and engage in. - Raves Raves (dance events featuring "house" music) are common settings for taking MDMA. The atmosphere of a Rave is designed to be conducive to enjoying the MDMA experience, in the company of other people who may also be taking MDMA, or who can be as friendly and open without chemical assistance. MDMA's enhancement of proprioception (deep body sense) makes movement notably pleasant, so Ravers on MDMA often dance for long periods of time (remember to drink water frequently!). The feeling of unity and shared ecstatic joy at a successful Rave can be overwhelmingly wonderful. Some ravers regard this as spiritual or religious practice. For more info on raves, subscribe to the newsgroup alt.rave or FTP the RAVE FAQ from TECHNO.STANFORD.EDU in the /pub/raves directory. - Self-psychotherapy Since MDMA can catalyze a broad range of psychotherapeutic effects (surfacing of repressed memories, dealing with emotional issues, etc.), MDMAers sometimes will trip by themselves or with a trusted guide, and spend the experience thinking about their lives. It has been said that "one hit of X [MDMA] is worth 3 months of conventional psychotherapy". Whether that is an exaggeration or not, MDMA has been praised by many psychotherapists as a notably effective means of dealing with personal issues. People who have had an MDMA experience of this kind often will want to talk to some people they are close to in order to discuss what MDMA has made them more aware of. - A substitute for speed MDMA is also sometimes used for some of the same things that amphetamines are used for, typically activities that require concentration, motivation, creativity, or energy. Doing homework, studying, writing, playing video games, and dieting are some of the many activities that MDMA may facilitate. - The sensorium The sensory enhancement of MDMA can make sensual activities unusually enjoyable. Touching can become such an intensely pleasurable sensation that close personal contact (sexual or otherwise) can be quite fun, especially when coupled with MDMA's empathogenic effects. Hugging someone and running your hands over them are such a common thing to see people on MDMA doing that it is known to some as the 'Hug Drug'. Eating, drinking, smelling flowers and even the sensations of waste elimination can become special experiences on MDMA. MDMA can also be mixed with other drugs for a different experience. The health hazards of each of these combinations were discussed in the section on contraindications. Here are the mental effects: (note that this is based on subjective information. Personal reactions may differ.) Drug | Information ============================================================================== Marijuana | Fun, but can cloud the mental effects of the MDMA. Have to | smoke more before you notice it. --------------|--------------------------------------------------------------- LSD | Can go very well together. LSD and MDMA is commonly known as | "XL" or "candyflipping". Most prefer quite low doses of LSD. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Amphetamines | You're already speeding. Why bother? Health risks noted in | contraindications section. --------------|--------------------------------------------------------------- Cocaine | Similar to Amphetamines. --------------|--------------------------------------------------------------- Heroin or | In terminal cancer patients, MDMA has restored the lucidity other opiates | that is often obscured by opiates given for pain. --------------|--------------------------------------------------------------- Tobacco | Tastes good, if you're into it. Easy to smoke too much. --------------|--------------------------------------------------------------- Alcohol | Can cloud the desired effects of MDMA. Dehydrating. --------------|--------------------------------------------------------------- Drug Quality ------------ To have a rewarding time on MDMA, you need to have good quality MDMA. The only way to maximize your chance of getting the real thing is to know & trust your supplier. Note that MDMA is not known for causing strong visual distortions. If you take some "MDMA" and notice that a predominant effect is trippy visuals, what you got was probably not pure MDMA, or MDMA at all. Note on Using MDMA Many Times: ------------------------------ Most users of MDMA who have taken the drug many times report that after a certain number of sessions, varying by person from a few to a few dozen, the desirable effects of the drug are no longer as pronounced. Said one, "it loses its magic." Another person who used MDMA perhaps a dozen times (separated by weeks to months) noted the dropoff, waited three years (!), tried an ordinary dose of high-quality MDMA again, and found that the annoyance of the physical side effects outweighed the greatly diminished positive effects. He has sadly given up the drug. Others who have had fifty or more MDMA sessions still find them to be worthwhile on balance. This MDMA effect dropoff might be explained by a psychological mechanism: loss of novelty. (On the other hand, people who have experienced MDMA effect dropoff generally report that there is not a similar dropoff in the effects of other psychedelics with which they are equally or more experienced, e.g. LSD and DMT.) Or the dropoff might be caused by lasting neurophysiological or neurological "changes" to the brain from repeated sessions, the prior state of the changed structures being necessary for ecstatic MDMA experiences. It is a complex, as-yet-unanswered question whether such changes, if they happen, are best regarded as harmful, neutral, or beneficial. If there is a lesson here, perhaps it is to spend your first three, six, or twelve sessions wisely and cherish them. Later sessions may never seem as great. ============================================================================== III. Safety and Neurotoxicity Discussion ======================================== Behavioral Safety Concerns -------------------------- As noted, a primary psychological effect of MDMA is to make the user feel "safe", at peace with the world, pleasantly reconciled to things as they are, and things however they will be. This can remarkably diminish one's ability to make sound judgements during the session. Examples: - It becomes easy to want to prolong the MDMA state by taking more and more of the drug (or of other drugs), beyond what you would judge wise or worthwhile when not under its influence. - It becomes easier to have unsafe sex. You may "forget," judge that the risk of infection is very small, or feel that infection wouldn't be such a terrible thing after all. If you think you might have sex while on MDMA, it may help you and your partner to stay safe if you lay out safer sex supplies before dosing in a place you'll be sure to see them later, and agree beforehand that you'll use them if the occasion arises. Another danger stems from MDMA's lessening of the awareness of pain (whether through chemical analgesia, or through psychological analgesia). Combined with the extra energy the drug gives, it becomes easy to sustain bruises, blisters, or other bodily damage from extensive dancing, hiking, climbing, etc., without noticing it until after the damage is done. Under MDMA, it may seem "right" to make immediate changes in relationships (increasing or decreasing commitment) of all kinds. The fresh points of view appreciated during an MDMA session are one of the drug's most prized benefits, but it is probably unwise to actually make lasting relationship changes until you have a chance to see how you would feel about them after the drug and its afterglow wear off. Neurotoxicity? -------------- One claimed effect of MDMA use is lowered brain serotonin levels. One study (Peroutka) found no evidence for this, but at least two others (Ricaurte) have found significantly reduced serotonin metabolite levels, the more recent study showing a 30% average difference between the control group of non-MDMA users and the experimental group consisting of people who had used MDMA about 75 times each, on average. (Note though, that some of these studies used psychiatric patients or "polydrug abusers" - not representative user samples.) What does this mean for users? Anecdotal evidence from years of legal and illegal use suggests that this is not of much concern for most people. Some folks, however, report periods of depression after using MDMA, on rare occasion severe depression. Considering that a primary action of many antidepressant drugs (MAOIs, SSRIs) is to increase brain serotonin levels, a connection between MDMA use and subsequent depression is not unbelievable. Psychological factors - sadness at returning to an ordinary state of consciousness after ecstasy - may also account for feeling down for a while. In any event, most users report the opposite: feelings of well-being or gentle euphoria in the days following an MDMA session. To get a better understanding of why the serotonin system may be critical to normalcy for some individuals and less so for others, see Listening to Prozac by Peter D. Kramer (Viking 1993). The entire book is worthwhile, but note pages 134-136 especially. There is solid experimental evidence that MDMA, administered in large doses and/or repeatedly, causes partial loss of serotonergic neurons in laboratory animals. Uncertain is whether this loss is permanent, reversible, or important. One study found in the rat nearly 100% recovery within a year. In another study (Ricaurte), non-human primates were dosed with MDMA and their brains were examined for morphological changes. Ricaurte found that there was no effect after 2.5 mg/kg oral doses given every two weeks, for a total of eight doses. But after a single oral dose of 5 mg/kg, he observed a 20% reduction in serotonin and its metabolite 5-HIAA, only in the thalamus & hypothalamus. There appeared to be some regrowth over time, not necessarily complete, and also some "collateral sprouting" - growth of other types of neurons in the reduced serotonin areas. Note that in all of the animal studies, even when there are quite large serotonin system reductions (up to 90% in high MDMA dose rat studies), no behavioral deficits are observed. It is also uncertain how these studies would extrapolate to humans - the human brain may well be more or less sensitive, or sensitive in different areas, compared with other animals. In any case, what is known is that there are no reported cases that link behavior changes in humans with MDMA-induced serotonin system changes or neuronal loss. And, the long-term human behavior changes that are noted (in studies and from anecdotal case reports) are generally regarded as positive - lowered impulsiveness and hostility, improved social/interpersonal functioning, changes in religious/spiritual orientation or practice, etc. One of the reasons so little is known about the lasting effects of MDMA on the human brain is that no subjects (to date) have recorded their drug use history, then volunteered their brains for post-mortem study. If you would like to consider doing this, you can get donor information at 1-800-UM-BRAIN. Studies with live human subjects are also underway - both volunteers and donations are needed. One good source of current info is the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS) - see "Organizations" at the end of the FAQ. Immune System ------------- Some users of MDMA report an apparent decrease in resistance to disease, especially with frequent MDMA use. It is unknown how much of this may be due to the pharmacological "body load" of MDMA, to staying up all night and dancing, to increased physical contact with people with colds, to suppressed appetite and poor nutrition, etc. Preventive Measures ------------------- A fundamental precaution is to stay well hydrated. Drink water frequently during the MDMA session, and moreso if you're physically active. Under the influence, time can pass surprisingly quickly. It is useful if trip guides or trip buddies remind each other to drink water often. For those who are concerned about the possibility of serotonin level or serotonin system changes in humans with therapeutic doses of MDMA, some researchers reckon changes can be lessened or prevented by taking antioxidants. In an article titled "Phenethylamines, Free Radicals, and Antioxidants" (MAPS Newsletter, Volume IV Number 1), author Brian Leibovitz suggests in Table 1 taking as a preventive measure the following: 5 mg B-Carotene; 2 grams Bioflavonoids; 100 mg Coenzyme Q10; 2-4 grams L-Ascorbic acid; 1 gram L-Carnitine; 2 grams N-Acetylcysteine (NAC); 250 ug Selenium, and 1,000 IU Vitamin E. "There is nothing magic about the doses listed; it is my best estimate based on present knowledge in nutrition." If you don't feel like buying out the local vitamin store, taking a subset of these (even just the ascorbic acid - vitamin C) could well be helpful. And, if you're really concerned, recent non-human animal research suggests that most or all of the serotonin system reduction may be prevented by taking Prozac (fluoxetine) 0-6 hours after taking the MDMA (see McCann and Ricuarte in J. Clinical Psychopharmacology, 13 (3):pp. 214-217, 1993). One might speculate that other SSRI drugs (Zoloft, Paxil) may work too. Note, however, that some people report that Prozac taken before or in the early part of an MDMA session lessens some of the desirable effects of the MDMA. Conclusion? ----------- One take on all this information is that there are a great many questions unanswered by research as yet. Thus a conservative, prudent assumption is that the risk of some kind of subtle neurological "damage" in humans from MDMA use is not zero. Yet there is no behavioral evidence of neurological harm in humans (and there is considerable evidence of psychological benefits) - this in many years of legal use (before 1985 in the US), and quite widespread illegal use since then. Given any non-zero risk, it makes sense to examine the benefit side of the equation, and take the drug only when you expect to get some tangible positive outcome from it that you feel makes taking the risk worthwhile. =============================================================================== IV. Chemistry ============= Introduction: ------------- All information here is to be used at your own risk. The procedures documented in this file, if carried out by unlicensed individuals would violate laws against controlled substances in most countries and could result in criminal charges being filed. If carried out by individuals unskilled at chemistry they could result in serious bodily harm. MDMA ("Ecstasy") is a semi-synthetic compound which can be made relatively easily from available precursors. Synthesis instructions exist which can be followed by an amateur with very little knowledge of chemistry. However, people with less than 2 years of college chemistry experience would probably not be capable of sucessfully synthesizing MDMA, and would either botch it in the best case or kill themselves in the worst case. For those interested in the techniques involved in synthesizing MDMA, a good book for self- learning is the following: Zubrick, James W. "The Organic Chem Lab Survival Manual: A Students Guide to Techniques." ISBN #0471575046. Wiley John&Sons Inc. 3rd ed. It is recommended that this book should be supplemented with at *least* one more of the 'dry' and technical O-Chem lab manuals available at any college bookstore. It is not recommend that the information from these books or herein this file be used to synthesize MDMA for the previously stated reasons. Knowledge, however, is not (yet) illegal. Precursors: ----------- The following chemicals are some of the more important ones in the synthesis of MDMA and related chemicals: O || O //\ /\ O //\ /\ O //\ /\\ O //\ /\\ NO2 / \// \/ H / \// \/ \ / \// \/ \\ / \// \/ \\/ / | || / | || || / | || | / | || | CH2 | || CH2 | || || CH2 | || | CH2 | || | \ | || \ | || CH2 \ | || CH3 \ | || CH3 \ /\\ / \ /\\ / \ /\\ / \ /\\ / O \\/ O \\/ O \\/ O \\/ piperonal safrole isosafrole beta-nitroisosafrole O //\ /\ O O //\ /\ Br / \// \/ \// / \// \/ \/ / | || | / | || | CH2 | || | CH2 | || | \ | || CH3 \ | || CH3 \ /\\ / \ /\\ / O \\/ O \\/ MDP-2-P 3,4-methylenedioxy- phenyl-2-bromopropane safrole: 3,4-methylenedioxyallylbenzene, 1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)-2-propene isosafrole: 3,4-methylenedioxypropenylbenzene, 1-(3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl)-1-propene MDP-2-P: 3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl-2-propanone, 3,4-methylenedioxyphenylacetone, 3,4-methylenedioxybenzyl methyl ketone, piperonylacetone piperonal: 3,4-methylenedioxybenzaldehyde, heliotropin beta-nitroisosafrole: 3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl-2-nitropropene safrole, isosafrole, MDP-2-P, piperonal and beta-nitroisosafrole are the most commonly found precursors to MDMA in clandestine labs. Synthetic Routes: ----------------- For an overview of MDMA synthetic routes it is suggested that the readers familiarize themselves very thoroughly with the following reference: Dal Cason-TA. "An Evaluation of the Potential for Clandestine Manufacture of 3,4-Methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA) Analogs and Homologs." Journal of Forensic Sciences. Vol 35(3):675-697. May 1990. The most common synthetic routes for production of MDA, MDMA, MDE (MDEA), and MDOH are from the precursor MDP-2-P. To get MDP-2-P first a natural source of safrole is acquired. Safrole can be extracted from sassafras oil, nutmeg oil, or several other sources which have been abundantly documented in _Chemical Abstracts_ over the years. The safrole is then easily isomerized into isosafrole when heated with NaOH or KOH. The isosafrole is then oxidized into MDP-2-P. This latter procedure has been most clearly presented in _Phenethylamines I Have Known and Loved_ by Alexander Shulgin under synthesis #109 (MDMA). The synthesis of MDP-2-P from isosafrole will require the use of a vacuum pump to evaporate the solvent from the final product in vacuo. An aspirator will not, unfortunately, be sufficient. Once the MDP-2-P is synthesized there are several synthetic routes which can be taken: 1. Sodium Cyanoborohydride 2. Aluminum Amalgam 3. Sodium Borohydride 4. Raney Nickel Catalysis 5. Leukart Reaction via N-formyl-MDA 6. Leukart Reaction via N-methyl-N-formyl-MDA The sodium cyanoborohydride method is probably the one most attractive to clandestine chemists. From the Dal Cason reference: "It requires no knowledge of chemistry, has a wide applicability, offers little chance of failure, produces good yields, does not require expensive chemical apparatus or glassware, and uses currently available (and easily synthesized) precursors" The aluminum amalgam synthesis is often used but has a slightly higher risk of failure and is not as versatile. The Raney Ni synthesis is more dangerous and requires special equipment to be done right (although this scheme is used in a significant number of clandestine labs). The sodium borohydride requires harsher conditions for the chemicals (ie. reflux) than sodium cyanoborohydride or aluminum amalgam and produces lower yields. The Leukart reaction is 2-step with lower yields and requires chemical apparatus. There are also two synthetic methods which proceed directly from safrole rather than through isosafrole. The first is the Ritter reaction which goes through the intermediate N-acetyl-MDA. The Ritter reaction is time-consuming, requires a degree of laboratory skill and produces poor yields. The other method uses HBr to produce 3,4-methylenedioxyphenyl-2-bromopropane which is then converted into MDA or MDMA. This scheme produces poor yields, and Dal Cason referenced the australian journal _ANALOG_ where a hazard had been documented. It is, however, attractive for its sheer simplicity. It requires no specialized chem equipment or reagents at all. Beta-nitroisosafrole is a less used precursor, but there is a large literature on the synthesis and reduction of nitro alkenes. This synthetic route isn't as popular due to the easier availability of precursors for MDP-2-P, and it also results in MDA which must then be further processed to give MDMA or any other N-alkyl homolog of MDA. There are numerous ways to convert beta-nitroisosafrole to MDA: LiAlH4, AlH3, electrolytic, Na(Hg), BH3 - THF / NaBH4, Raney Ni catalyst, Pd / BaSO4 catalyst, Zn (Hg). Beta-nitroisosafrole, when used, is commonly synthesized from piperonal. Beta-nitroisosafrole can also be used as a precursor for MDP-2-P, but this is not commonly done. There are other synthetic routes, such as the use of substituted 3,4-methylenedioxycinnamic acid or the construction of alkyenedioxy bridges from dihydroxy compounds. These, however, are typically not used for a variety of reasons (difficulty, multiple-step, special equipment, etc). It is also possible to synthesize N-alkyl derivatives of MDA from MDA (e.g. synthesizing MDMA from MDA) but this is not commonly done in clandestine labs. Methylamine ----------- Methylamine is a chemical which is technically not a "precursor" to MDMA, but it is necessary in most of the syntheses. It is also a watched chemical. A private citizen ordering methylamine from a chemical supply company would get the undivided attention of the local DEA. Methylamine can be diverted in small quantities by individuals working in legitimate chemical labs. In some cases this "diversion" is simply theft. It is not recommended that any persons engage in this activity, but it remains a common source of methylamine (along with many other chemicals). Methylamine can be synthesized through hydrolyzing N-methylacetamide via refluxing it with concentrated HCl. Dump a gallon of concentrated HCl in a large RB flask, dump in a mole or two of N-methylacamide and reflux the hell out of it for about 2 days. This leaves water, methylamine and acetic acid. Boil off the water, and strip the acetic acid off with a vacuum pump and what's left is the methylamine. Some acetic acid may be left over, but it shouldn't affect the cyanoborohydride reaction. It can also be synthesized by doing a large hypohalite Hofmann degradation on acetamide with bleach and lye. Heat it up and distill off the water/methylamine from the basic mush and catch it in HCl. Boil off the water/acid distillate and the result is methylamine HCl. N-methylacetamide is unlikely to be watched, and acetamide is almost certainly not watched. Some syntheses use N-methylformamide as an alternative to methylamine, but it is unlikely that there would be any advantage to using it. The 3 syntheses focused on in this file (HBr, cyanoborohydride and aluminum amalgam) all use methylamine. _Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacturing_ has both a synthesis of methylamine and a synthesis of N-methylformamide, but i haven't had a chance to peruse the book to comment on them. Summary: -------- oil of sassafras -------> safrole ----------> isosafrole --------> MDP-2-P (extraction) | (isomerization) (synthesis) | | | V V *1. safrole + HBr *1. sodium cyanoborohydride 2. Ritter reaction *2. aluminum amalgam 3. sodium borohydride piperonal ------> beta-nitroisosafrole 4. Raney Ni catalyst (synthesis) | 5. Leukart reaction | V [numerous routes to MDA] * of interest to aspiring kitchen chemists - the sodium cyanoborohydride method is the preferred method - the safrole + HBr route is attractive due to its sheer simplicity - the aluminum amalgam route is as useful as cyanoborohydride, but may have a slightly higher risk of failure. "Popular" Literature: -------------------- Psychedelic Chemistry: Contains instructions for isomerizing safrole, a synthesis of MDP-2-P from isosafrole, and a synthesis which uses the Leukart reaction. The synthesis of MDP-2-P is better presented in PiHKAL and the Leukart reaction is is not a recommended synthesis. Also, please see "ROAD HAZARDS" below, on the dangerous typos in this synthesis. Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacturing: Contains instructions for synthesizing MDMA via the safrole + HBr method. This is the simple and dirty way to synthesize MDMA. Pay attention to the part where it tells you to make sure that you've got all the ether evaporated before placing it in the reaction bomb... for your own good. References to the original journal articles and Chem Abstracts are included. It also has synthesis instructions for methylamine and N-methylformamide, but i haven't had a chance to read them. PiHKAL #100 (MDA): Synthesis of beta-nitroisosafrole from piperonal, synthesis of MDA from beta-nitroisosafrole using lithium aluminum hydride, synthesis of MDA from MDP-2-P using sodium cyanoborohydride. The latter is probably the most useful. Although piperonal is commonly used to synthesize beta-nitroisosafrole. LAH is somewhat dangerous. PiHKAL #105 (MDDM): Synthesis of MDDM (N,N-dimethyl-MDA) from MDP-2-P using sodium cyanoborohydride. This stuff isn't terribly active, its just another example of a sodium cyanoborohydride synthesis. PiHKAL #106 (MDE): Synthesis of MDE from MDA via N-acetyl-MDA. Synthesis of MDE from MDP-2-P using aluminum amalgam. Synthesis of MDE from MDP-2-P using sodium cyanoborohydride. The latter two are the most useful. Synthesizing MDE from MDA is not particularly useful to clandestine chemists. PiHKAL #109 (MDMA): Synthesis of MDMA from MDA via N-formyl-MDA. Synthesis of MDP-2-P from isosafrole. Synthesis of MDP-2-P from beta-nitro- isosafrole. Synthesis of MDMA from MDP-2-P using aluminum amalgam. The synthesis of MDP-2-P from isosafrole and the aluminum amalgam synthesis are probably the most useful. The synthesis of MDP-2-P from beta-nitroisosafrole might be useful, but most often beta-nitroisosafrole is used to produce MDA directly. Synthesizing MDMA from MDA is not particularly useful to clandestine chemists. PiHKAL #114 (MDOH): Synthesis of MDOH from MDP-2-P using sodium cyanoborohydride. This stuff is active, and the synthesis is useful. I don't know of any explicit synthesis for MDMA using sodium cyanoborohydride, but it can be done simply by substituting the correct number of moles of methylamine for ethylamine in the MDE synthesis. Also, substituting methylamine for ethylamine in the cyanoborohydride synthesis produces slightly better yields. Net Sources: ------------ ftp://ursa-major.spdcc.com/pub/pihkal the text of book 2 of PiHKAL with all the syntheses http://stein1.u.washington.edu:2012/pharm/pihkal-ht/pihkal.index.html html version of PiHKAL ftp://hemp.uwec.edu/pub/drugs/psychedelics/mdma/mdma.mda.syntheses ftp.hmc.edu:/pub/drugs/mdma/mdma.mda.syntheses.Z the synthesis of MDP-2-P from PiHKAL, plus the Leukart reaction from Psychedelic Chemistry. ftp.hmc.edu:/pub/drugs/mdma/mdma.synth.Z this is the safrole + HBr method out of Secrets of Methamphetamine Manufacturing Road Hazards: ------------- Chemical Abstracts 52, 11965c (1958): In the synthesis of MDA from MDP-2-P this reference has a misprint that should read "add 100ml H2O" instead of "add 100ml H2O2" which would cause an explosion. Chemistry is dangerous, and a little ignorance can cause spectacular pyrotechnics... Psychedelic Chemistry: The synthesis for MDA/MDMA is the same as the above Chemical Abstracts reference including the explosive typo. There is also another typo which should read "75 ml 15% HCl" instead of "57ml 15% HCl." This might simply mess your yields up. Et20/THF: AKA diethyl ether and tetrahydrofuran. These two chemicals form explosive peroxides when they are exposed to air for extended periods of time, and which are easily set off by refluxing (for example). These are likely the cause of most explosions and fires in amphetamine labs. Do not play around with these chemicals, and if you use them, know what you are doing. MDP-2-P: "piperonylacetone" is an ambiguous term which might refer to the 4-carbon analogue of MDP-2-P. Shulgin has noted that at least one chemical supply house has sold this 4-carbon analogue as "piperonylacetone." The correct piperonylacetone (MDP-2-P) is sassafras-smelling oil that is yellow colored. The incorrect piperonylacetone has a weak terpene smell and is white and crystalline. Substitution will merely result in some interesting 4-carbon analogues of MDMA which are probably totally inactive. See PiHKAL #109 (MDMA). LAH: Lithium Aluminum Hydride (LiAlH4), is a chemical which explodes on contact with water, and can be set off by moisture in the air. It should only be used under an inert atmosphere, which requires special equipment. ============================================================================== V. Miscellany ============= Rumor Control ------------- There is a lot of misinformation out there about MDMA. Here are some commonly heard rumors and facts about them. Rumor #1: MDMA drains your spinal fluid, ruins your back, etc. Untrue. This urban legend apparently started because some pharmacological studies are done by giving subjects MDMA, then withdrawing cerebrospinal fluid samples for analysis via spinal tap. It is "MDMA research", not "MDMA" that may drain your spinal fluid! Rumor #2: MDMA causes brain damage similar to Parkinson's disease MDMA does not cause Parkinson's disease. This rumor apparently got started because of confusion between MDMA and MPTP (1-methyl-4-phenyl- 1,2,3,6-tetrahydropyridine). MPTP can appear as a contaminant from bad manufacture of a synthetic opiate, and has caused tragic neural damage to unfortunate recipients of the contaminated black market opiate. MPTP bears no chemical relation to MDMA, and has not been associated with MDMA manufacture. Analogues and related compounds: -------------------------------- MDMA has several chemical "cousins" which have different effects. PIHKAL is an excellent reference to find out about them. Briefly, here are descriptions of some of the more common ones: MDA (3,4-methylenedioxyamphetamine): MDA was popular for a while during the 70s, when it was known as the 'Love Drug' (a nickname sometimes associated with MDMA as well). It is similar to MDMA in its effects, but is slightly more stimulating. It has been shown in laboratory studies to be approximately twice as neurotoxic as MDMA, though in some 30 years of human use, case reports do not suggest that it has caused behavioral or psychological problems. MDE or MDEA (N-ethyl-methylendioxyamphetamine): Commonly called "Eve" (if MDMA is "Adam", MDE is "Eve", get it?), MDE is similar to MDMA, though it seems to turn the subject inwards and invite less communication than does MDMA, though in some MMDA (3-methoxy-4,5-methylenedioxyamphetamine): Often confused with the similarly-named but chemically different MDMA. MMDA is reported to generate interesting, closed-eye hallucinations - "brain movies", or conscious dreams. MBDB (N-methyl-1-(1,3-benzodioxol-5-yl)-2-butanamine): Differs structurally from MDMA only by the addition of an extra carbon to the MDMA chain. Effects are similar to MDA. References and Related Reading: ------------------------------- Adamson-S. Through the Gateway of the Heart. Four Trees Publications, San Francisco, 1985. 197 pages. A collection of stories about drug experiences, primarily with MDMA, and also with 2C-B and other psychedelics, typically taken with MDMA. Beck-J and Marsha Rosenbaum. In Pursuit of Ecstasy. SUNY Press, 1994. Del Cason,-TA. "An Evaluation of the Potential for Clandestine Manufacture of 3,4-Methylenedioxyamphetamine (MDA) and Analogs and Homologs." Journal of Forensic Sciences. Vol 35(3):675-697, May 1990. Synthesis of MDMA and related chemicals. Eisner-B. Ecstacy: the MDMA Story. Ronin Publishing, inc. Box 1035 Berkeley, CA 94701, 1989 (revised 1993). 228 pages. Naranjo-C. The Healing Journey: New Approaches to Consciousness. Published by Random House (paperback: Ballentine), 1973. 197 pages. Accounts of groundbreaking therapeutic uses of MDA, MMDA, Harmaline, and Ibogaine. Peroutka-SJ, ed. Ecstasy: The Clinical, Pharmacological and Nerotoxicological Effects of the Drug MDMA. Kluwer Academic Publishers, 1990. A collection of authorititative papers on nearly every aspect of MDMA. Saunders-N. E for Ecstacy. Published by N. Saunders, 14 Neal's Yard, London WC2H 9DP England, 1993. 318 pages. Full overview of MDMA, also includes the latest version of Alexander Shulgin's MDMA bibliography. Extensive references with summaries. Shulgin-AT. "The Background and Chemistry of MDMA." Journal of Psychoactive Drugs. Vol 18(4)"291-304, Oct-Dec 1986. "Suggested entrypoint in the literature to the history, chemistry and controversy surrounding MDMA - a FAQish document," says lamontg. Shulgin-AT, Sargent, and C.Naranjo. 1967. "The chemistry and psychopharmacology of nutmeg and of several related phenylisopropylamines." In D.H. Efron [ed.]: Ethnopharmacologic search for psychoactive drugs. U. S. Dept. of H. E. W., Public Health Service Publication No. 1645. Pp. 202-214. Discussion: ibid. pp. 223-229. 49 Shulgin-A and Ann Shulgin. PIHKAL: A Chemical Love Story. Transform Press, Box 13675, Berkeley, CA 94701, 1991. 1008 pages. The first part of this book contains autobiographical accounts of the Shulgins' life history and experiments with psychoactive drugs. The second part describes the synthesis, dosage and effects of 179 different compounds in the phenethylamine family, including MDMA and several of its analogues. Most of these books can be ordered from various places listed in the addresses FAQ, available from the alt.drugs FTP archive (FTP.HMC.EDU in /pub/drugs). Organizations: -------------- MAPS (Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies), 1801 Tippah Ave., Charlotte, NC 28205. 704 358-9830. sylviamaps@aol.com. End of FAQ.================================================================== From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 16:50:01 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA16848; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:49:42 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA28820; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:47:45 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:47:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199411181646.IAA04249@taz.hyperreal.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mike@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mike Brown To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Kenny Larkin (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > I don't mean to sound ignorant, but who is Kenny Larkin? Is he on the > list? A DJ? A musician? > earache Kenny Larkin is a musician. His album _Azimuth_ released late last year on Warp has been well received by fans of IDM and Detroit techno. He has a new album due soon. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 17:08:20 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA17269; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:08:11 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA02758; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:06:06 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:06:06 -0600 Message-Id: <9411181041.ZM23228@gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mb@gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Mark Bowen" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: busts X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO helo the tone of this back and forth about the home busts is getting nasty. What gives? I don't think anyone is saying that its good someone got busted or trying to condone anything the police did so people should ease off on the swearing. All I've got to say is that you can get more flies with honey than you can with vinegar, dig? Most cops are not assholes (really). They're just guys doing their job and the harder you make it for them the harder they push back. Who doesn't behave like this at their job. Anyone who has worked in the service industry will confirm this. Police are essentially in the service industry. So be nice as possible. Give them a reason to want to let you go. If you flip out on them they'll crack down on you and they have *all* the power. As far as carrying a lot of drugs on you. Dealing is a high stakes game like loto. You can make a LOT LOT of $$ but you expose yourself to big risk. Anyone that takes the $$ accepts that risk and deals with the consequences. Peace all around -- "Man is God, for it is in our holy brain Mark Bowen that we create Him in our image" mb@gettins.bche.uic.edu -Yello (paraphrased) O O O O O O O O O H | H | H | H | H | H | H | H | H | HN C= N C= N C= N C=HN C=HN C=HN C=HN C=HN C=O \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / C C C C C C C C C / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ H R H R H R H R H R H R H R H R H R From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 17:14:26 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA17376; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:14:12 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA04109; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:11:35 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:11:35 -0600 Message-Id: <199411181706.RAA08649@falcon.depaul.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: goldbaum@falcon.depaul.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nate Goldbaum To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: oops X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > > my mailbox is overflowing because i went out of town for a few days and > forgot to unsub... i just tried to unsub (because i'm leaving again) and i > forgot that you have to mail a different address to take care of the technical > stuff. can someone send it to me, cause i can't find it... i know it's some- > where in this pile of fliers and addresses and and junk mail and bills and > phone numbers and........... > > thanx! > > PLUR, > T > It would be better for our listadmin if you just wrote to listserv@csd.uwm.edu and instead of unsubbing put "set mw-raves nomail" in the body of the message this way you are not unsubbed but you don't receive mail. When you get back, you can write the same address and put "set mw-raves mail" and you will begin receiving messages again immediately. Can anyone verify that I've given the correct commands? This way is nicer because noone has to deal with an unsub and a resub (which, I gather, is not a big hassle, but.....) peaceout nate From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 17:48:04 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA18255; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:47:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA11332; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:45:34 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:45:34 -0600 Message-Id: <199411181734.JAA05697@taz.hyperreal.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: abennett@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Bennett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Kenny Larkin (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Mike Brown said :: > > > I don't mean to sound ignorant, but who is Kenny Larkin? Is he on the > > list? A DJ? A musician? > > earache > > Kenny Larkin is a musician. His album _Azimuth_ released late last year > on Warp has been well received by fans of IDM and Detroit techno. He has > a new album due soon. I've also seen his name on some flyers for Detroit events, so he at least is a dj or likes to spin at raves, or does so occasionally. He's also got some stuff on the +8 label. I don't know about vinyl, but a few tracks exist on the few of the older +8 cd comps. He also records under the name "Dark Comedy", and he has his own label, called Art of Dance. [Check that Dark Comedy thing. I'm at work and can't check music credits.] Hope he pulls through. _Azimuth_ is a brilliant release, and his track on Warp's _Artificial Intelligence 2_ is very nice as well. I'd characterize his music as "smooth somewhat bleepy techno". Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 18:18:12 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA18933; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:18:05 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA17268; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:15:20 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:15:20 -0600 Message-Id: <199411181738.JAA05820@taz.hyperreal.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: abennett@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Bennett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Info on drugs (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Introspection Inc. said :: > > Best place for this type of stuff is alt.drugs on Usenet. I have > > heard there are some people with real knowledge there, as opposed > > to here, where most of us just know word of mouth knowledge and > > uneducated/unexplained experiences. > > Maybe if someone actually gets some facts about what we have been > discussing they could forward it back to mw-raves. That would be > extremely helpful. Don't forget the 25mb (do you know how long it would take you to read 25mb?) of drug related information on hyperreal.com! There's a lot here, folks. Trust me. And it's constantly being updated and added to. Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 18:18:52 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA18966; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:18:46 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA16880; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:13:45 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:13:45 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: tojones@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: todd a jones To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: MW-RAVES digest 223 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I have recently read the message about the episode of renegade which portrays ravers as an assemblage of beligerent bikers, and have noticed that this has bothered some people. imho this portrayal of ravers should not really bother anyone for the following reasons: 1) Please recall that in movies, television shows, etc. hollywood does not even come close to giving a proper representation of most clutures (for example my kinsfolk the American Indians), and to expect them to give aproper representation of a subculture such as rave would really be asking alot, especially for the group of writers who write the renegade flicks, who seem to see bikers as the cause of all evils in america. 2) If this is really the way that many people get their ideas about raves (from tv) and this is how they beleive ravers are,(i.e., a bunch of hard to get along with roughneck drugaddicts who love a good fight) is it any wonder the rave subculture is looked down upon by many? All im trying to say is that many people get their only knowledge of raves from newscasts of ravers rioting in England, busts of underground parties, and poorly researched ( not researched-totally made up) shows like renegade. If they really knew what the people were all about, which they probably never will, perhaps their opinions would change. But, alas, that would not make for a good movie. who wants to watch a bunch of people dancing around renegade, theyd' rather see someone beat him up. Perhaps its the rest of society thats screwed up- not the ravers. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 18:27:46 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA19103; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:27:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA19156; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:24:20 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:24:20 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJMK0T54N88WWLG2@wmich.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: X94BENNETT4@wmich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: X94BENNETT4@wmich.edu (Aaron M. Bennett) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Bite-Saturday Nov 19 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Kikoman gave me this info last night.....I guess it will alright seeing as though he is spinning there. However, I've never heard of the majority of these DJs on the lineup. He wanted it posted though so here it is.... Have any of the Detroiters on the list heard about this?? Just wondering.... aaron b. western michigan university-kalamazoo 2 hours from detroit, 2 hours from chicago.... ------------------------------------------------------------- Saturday November 19, 1994 in Detroit BITE On Four Floors Techno DJs Deep House DJs Bad Boy Brian Kikoman (Grand Rapids) DJ Los DJ Korie DJ Techno Twans Mark Love Miraje Jackmaster Los Hip Hop DJs Ambient Room DJ Slymfas (The Shelter/Detroit) Brian Gillespie and others DJ Stash 1456 Woodward at the corner of John R. 2 Blks south of the Fox Theatre by the old Hudson's Bldg Info Line (313) 831-6312 ---------------------------------------------------------- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 18:46:16 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA19555; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:46:08 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA23676; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:43:43 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:43:43 -0600 Message-Id: <199411181805.KAA06752@taz.hyperreal.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: abennett@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Bennett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Cincy Pilgrimmage update X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I forgot to mention that Mark Farina is on the flyer for Pilgrimmage in Cincinnati on 11/23. (Yes, the day before Thanksgving). So now the lineup is: Derrick Carter DBX Mark Farina Bob-A-Dob I thought it looked good with just Derrick and DBX. And now Farina? woo! I can provide crash space to out-of-towners as necessary. RSVP please. [Craig - could you update the flyer in the calendar? Thank ya.] Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 18:49:27 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA19631; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:49:08 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA24188; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:45:51 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:45:51 -0600 Message-Id: <199411181840.SAA10747@falcon.depaul.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: goldbaum@falcon.depaul.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nate Goldbaum To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: matt mot massive -- lost yr address X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I guess the subject says it all. would you please write to me again, matt? I'm still undecided. We'll talk more. Sorry for the bandwidth, folx. peaceout nate From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 18:57:54 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA19872; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:57:22 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA26292; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:55:19 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 12:55:19 -0600 Message-Id: <9411181857.AA26344@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (Jennifer Palmer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Cincy Pilgrimmage update X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > > I forgot to mention that Mark Farina is on the flyer for Pilgrimmage in > Cincinnati on 11/23. (Yes, the day before Thanksgving). So now the > lineup is: > > Derrick Carter > DBX > Mark Farina > Bob-A-Dob > > > I thought it looked good with just Derrick and DBX. And now Farina? woo! > I can provide crash space to out-of-towners as necessary. RSVP please. > > [Craig - could you update the flyer in the calendar? Thank ya.] > > > Andrew > -- > > (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com > > YAY! thank you andrew *HUG* who ever need a place if andrew runs out is welcome to stay with me in Oxford also jen -- *Jennifer Palmer* aka Deadbeat jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu or palmerje@miavx1.muohio.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 19:03:30 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA20046; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:03:10 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA27354; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:00:32 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:00:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199411181902.OAA22139@london.physics.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sho@physics.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sho Kuwamoto To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: pizza in indy final(?) update X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Ok. I know you're all sick of seeing these post.. Ack! Me too! I forgot I had to proctor a test on Monday.. Can we meet on Sunday at Bazbeaux's in broad ripple? Around 6pm? -Sho -- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm having for lunch! Sho Kuwamoto. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 19:41:48 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA21032; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:40:50 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA06308; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:37:35 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 13:37:35 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MiCKeY HoNMyHR To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Interlab..# X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ACK!! i wrote your phone number on my leg and accidentally shaved it off this morning in the shower. if ANYONE knows shannon, ben and companies phone number could you please send it before 2:15 today??? (45 mn from now??) i would be eternally in debeted to ya. SSTTTTOOOOOOOPID mouse. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- M I C K E Y H O N M Y H R "i think he said stand together" - beastie boys ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 20:26:59 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA22109; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 15:26:42 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA14662; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:21:28 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:21:28 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: adesombr@worf.uwsp.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Adam Desombre To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: tunes X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I am looking for some titles/artists/labels that would fit the following "description" : sorta up-tempo trancy-acidy _house_ type stuff with some of the sax/clarinet/horn sounds wailing away too...more of a "4-on-the-floor" type beat than a bouncy beat...although some bounce is good...*sigh* I know it's kindof a lame description, but oh well... Any input would be much appreciated. thanks... ...adam From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 20:35:19 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA22412; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 15:34:36 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA16253; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:31:01 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:31:01 -0600 Message-Id: <9411181421.D4193TG@theden.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: nitro@theden.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: nitro@theden.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Hey yall! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO My, My+ My, where to begin... ->although missing jon williams seems like a fate worse ->than...gabber.... i have come to the conclusion that although this ->is devistating now, it is not the end of the world...i have been ->to literally hundreds of wow. I didn't know that many people had heard about it... guess we DID do enough promotion. if I didn't have to work tonight and then help throw that party, I would come out there and pick you up... it sounds like you don't WANT to be at Lunar loveland, you NEED to be at lunar loveland... :) If ANYONE needs crash space in st. Louis after LL, Please call the dialeighted line at 314-567-2097, or my house at 314-426-5712 (<- SICK answering machine message) and you will certainly haveit... ->trend of paying $13, standing around, and something always falling ->through. obviously it is not perfect- neither is chicago, of ->milwaukee or even grinnell (those lovely grls upstairs)!!! no ->matter where you travel for a rave there is always a risk ->involved. i dont think that one You know, I'm not trying to be snotty or anything, But St. Louis is just da schitt... I have yet to clear making 100 on a party, but they all go off and EVERYONE has a good time, and I'd rather that than my pockets being phatter... peace out everyone... -/\/- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 20:44:10 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA22706; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 15:43:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA18265; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:40:59 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:40:59 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: E questions.. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I was told that if you do not eat anything before rolling, that the E becomes a lot more potent. Is this true? Should I avoid eating anything prior to rolling.. Thanks.. Just some questions.. John Sin Massive ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 21:03:40 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA23445; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:03:05 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA20614; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:54:42 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 14:54:42 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJMN5FS0J6001ZM2@UWSTOUT.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: pittsj@UWSTOUT.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: pittsj@UWSTOUT.EDU (Justin Morgan) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: RE: mpls X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO HOEL@uwplatt.edu said this: >Well, there is something that is great about living in Platteville... There >isn't much of a scene here to support... So I have to go to where ever my >friends will take me... I guess I don't care where I go as long as the music is >playing loud and hard (that sounds cheesy, but.. ah who cares...) > >Ryan WH Sounds like the situation here in good ole Menomonie. Still, got a few close bro's and sisters, got the music, and we got the love. THATS all you need. Besides, MPLS isn't that far away.. (besides, turning Dave Pedersen (Mirror) into a cheesehead wisconSINite is kinda fun.) -Justin Morgan (jp/groove) web collective From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 21:27:10 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA24040; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:26:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA24519; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 15:13:56 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 15:13:56 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: jonwilliams in the howse... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO heyheyhey! its a beautiful day in the neighborhood... WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! JON WILLIAMS IN DA HOWSE!!!!!!!! GRETCHEN HAS FOUND A RIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *victory dance* oh wow...the enthusiasm is overwhelming..... i hope to see ya'all there... if ya see a chick that looks like she is on cloud nine during jon's set...reese, too...thats me...im wearing a silver gymnastics leotard (shut up yes iwas a jock...) with a moon and stars on my right collar bone...appropriate for lunar loveland? yes...it was planned... and calvin klein jeans...i've got chinlength brownish hair+green eyes... septum ring w/a star bead... hehehe stop and say hey...ima going to be out of my skull with glee... hehehe (childlike laughter) yippie skippy! gretchen is a happy camper!!!!!!! :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> :> gretchen e blount thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 21:30:53 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA24135; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:30:00 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA26410; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 15:24:30 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 15:24:30 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: thanks all X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Thank you all for your replies on tapes...I was in a really weird mood last night and was going through some serious music withdrawls! I've got alot of re- plies to answer so away I go...if any more of you want to swap then remember.. all it takes is a telephone and an open mind( and Dione Warwick) Ben dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 22:19:19 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA25236; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 17:19:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA05363; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:13:38 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:13:38 -0600 Message-Id: <199411182213.AA258156796@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Acid pee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO It's me again, (The Swiss raver) Since I only got into "Home" at 2:00 I missed everybody. Are people meeting at acidic pyramid? When, Where? peace Dj Fantasia PS I'm interested in swaping tapes too. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 22:25:32 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA25317; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 17:25:14 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA06966; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:21:59 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:21:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199411182221.AA275407276@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Acidic Pee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO It's me again (Swiss raver) I only got into "Home" at 2:00 and missed the gathering at the smartbar. Are people meeting at acidic pyramid? Where, when? peace Dj Fantasia PS I'm interested in swaping tapes too. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 22:44:19 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA25818; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 17:43:59 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA10226; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:36:53 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:36:53 -0600 Message-Id: <199411182236.RAA13242@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: broth.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: broth.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu (jonas broth) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: XENODOCHEUM X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, i hadn't seen anything in the meetwhile for this so i made up a little map of where i would like to meet up w/ net.folks but while i was drawing this Chris Jones made the much more simpilified suggestion of meeting at the Smart Bar. Probably makes more sense. But i had so much fun making this little map that i thought i'd go ahead show it off anyway. Hang it on your refrigerator. The X is where i was going to be standing, but not anymore. See ya at the Smart Bar. jb. Okay y'all here is my gross representation of Newport Music Hall and where i will be at 1 am looking for other net.ravers. It's supposed to be an over head view. ================================================================= / \___________________________ | ___| \ front | | | X| / door | stage Yay! | | ============ | happy people | | | |^| | here dancing here | | |______|^| | | >>>>>>>^| <--stairs up to the | | | ========= balcony | ____________________________| | | | / balcony | | \============================================ I'll make a point to be wearing my dark red and blue Mr Peabody hat (y'know Peabody and his boy Sherman from Rocky n Bullwinkle? He's the bespectacled dog smoking a pipe). And probably a plain red shirt. See you at 1! jonas. ============================================================================ jonas eric broth |from the 1992 AAA travel guide, broth.1@postbox.acs.ohio-state.edu | on Columbus, Oh: |"...a main distinction of the city | is that it is not too distinctive..." ============================================================================ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 22:44:41 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA25830; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 17:44:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA09170; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:31:41 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 16:31:41 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: acidic pee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hi all! I was wondering about a meeting of the minds tomorrow as well..... dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 18 23:45:10 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA27342; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 18:44:45 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA18641; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 17:40:56 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 17:40:56 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: tapes X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO okay regarding the previous requests for tapes, i thought i would throw a couple of mine up on the net...if anyone wants to trade, i am looking for some good breaksright now, but i am very easy to please,breaks or no...so responde por favor...remember, these are only a few...i have many more, especially old stuff from like 92 and whatnot...but i will leave all that out unless it is requested... astroboy-9&8, good e doc martin-universal spiritual healing jon williams-fruit salad keoki-tangled in my thoughts, journeys jimmy crash terry mullan-nsf e-tones-live at the soul kitchen mystic bill-ummm...the new one..it has slipped my mind... derrick carter-quality, mtt, and one other from last spring... drc-ritual addiction db-acidic opera jeno-rise gavin hardkiss-ambientish dub wade randolph hampton-nipples so slippery and ...the one from last spring... lego-block 3 minddrive...i have 3 of his tapes, but i cant remember for the life of me what they are... dj efex solar...and basically everything dating back to when he was still dj friendly (hehe) mark farina-mushroom jazz dj andi p.-ive got three of these too...and i cant remeber the names either... tripper info systems i know i have tons more, but im doing this off the top of my head...and well all of you know my head is thinking of only one thing right now... lunar loveland gretchen e blount From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 19 00:11:15 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA27950; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 19:10:47 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA21390; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 18:07:43 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 18:07:43 -0600 Message-Id: <9411190006.AA23994@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aw975794@oak.cats.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Amy Waldowski To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Becca... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > >becca- please get in touch with me. i have a message for ya. > >mouse > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > M I C K E Y H O N M Y H R > "i think he said stand together" - beastie boys >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu > > > hey, sorry, i just got this message, i never received it, i don't think. anyway, my email address is rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu please don't respomd to this, i am writingit from a friend's box, so just email me, ok? cool. thanks. -becca -- Amy Waldowski aw975794@oak.cats.ohiou.edu butterfly/amy From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 19 00:14:13 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA28044; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 19:14:00 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA21938; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 18:12:26 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 18:12:26 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJMTK3RFZ6QPJA31@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: HOEL@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: HOEL@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Acidic P X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey all, I would love to meet some net ravers at this party... The only suggestion that I will make is that it isn't during Hardfloor's set... Nothing less than earthquakes and fire could tear me away from the dancefloor... So it'll be me (Ryan), Eric A. Schroeder (who sometimes is a mw-rave poster) and Eric's girlfriend (as of tonight that is her new name) coming from Platteville... I hope to see you all there... Ryan WH Guess what us Platteville ravers figured out... ***************************************************************************** * HOEL@uwplatt.edu "We are uncorrupt and tolerably enlightened * * Ryan Wesley Hoel judges of the transactions of the past ages; * * :> :> :> :> :> :> :> where no passions decieve, and where the whole* * Fun House Productions train of circumstances from the trifling cause* * 608 342 3169(ask for Eric) to the tragical event, is set in an orderly * * shoe size: 9 1/2 series before us." * * - Edmund Burke * ***************************************************************************** From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 19 00:18:39 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA28183; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 19:18:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA22392; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 18:16:09 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 18:16:09 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: evolve@iglou.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Tim Ramsey To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Acidic P _meeting at Smart BV X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Ok, folks there is a slight glitch in the meet at smart bar routine for acidic P. Why you ask, there ain't gonna be one because the space owner is a tight ass son of a bitch and is afraid of yours truly ruining his concession sales. HOwever I's doing an end run around him and setting up a booth for those handy-dandy kick your ass make you groove alright enhancd you trip (all kinds) make you feel good in the morning pills UTOPIA. For those of you who've had it you know what i'm talking about. YFor those of you who haven't tried it UTOPIA is the finest supplement in the world for ravers. It makes you feel wonderful, helps trips, elimenates day after drowsiness, is great for you and in general is the greatest boon to ravers. So anyway meet at the UTOPIA stand at 1 say hi to Tim your friendly smart bar guy. Its a shame about the smart bar too because I had planned to offer the most deliscious drinks with gobs of real fruit. peace tim ImSmartRU/evolution From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 19 00:20:49 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA28250; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 19:20:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA22890; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 18:18:50 -0600 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 18:18:50 -0600 Message-Id: <199411190018.SAA22730@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: believe@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: xlarge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Acidic Pee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >It's me again (Swiss raver) > >I only got into "Home" at 2:00 and missed the gathering at the smartbar. Are >people meeting at acidic pyramid? Where, when? > >peace > >Dj Fantasia same bat time, same bat channel. thats 1am at da smart bar. ill wear all blue as usual. brown shaggy hair (it may fro up doe).hehe xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu what did you bring me daddy? well i brought you, death...... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 19 09:58:07 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA09075; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 04:57:58 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA28918; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 03:56:54 -0600 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 03:56:54 -0600 Message-Id: <199411190952.JAA03525@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: (back) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Oi. I don't log on for three days and my mailbox has 160+ messages! :-) :-) If I get a ride as planned, I'll be at Acidic Pyramyd, and then when that closes down, probably move my butt over to Alien Love. BTW, Terry Mullan won't be there. No smartbar meetwhile for me at 1:00... Hardfloor will dominate my body and mind at that point. :-) Seventeen bucks for a party that will only go until 5 is kinda' nutty, IMO. The promoter for Acidic Pyramyd was the first person to raise the stakes to $15 for parties in Chicago (Destiny), and now will be the first to up it again, to $17. Yeah, the parties are big and need money, but I feel promoters around here should concentrate more on smaller/inexpensive parties than less larger/expensive ones. Just an idea. The rumors of Alien Love's demise are untrue. John Keesen won't be able to make it, but now they're only charging $7! I'd suggest that if you don't go to A.P., you try this one. Jon Williams will still be there, and he totally rocked the place last time I saw him (Rapture in Green Bay, 7/94). Be careful this weekend, try to make the best of things (no matter how they turn out), and share a little love. If you see me around, please grab me and hug me, 'k? :-) -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 19 10:31:11 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id FAA09346; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 05:31:04 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA29720; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 04:30:03 -0600 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 04:30:03 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mudd@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: SpaceFunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: orb in detroit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO just got back from the LX p. party. It redifined the orb as a bunch of stuck up rock stars. Place sucked(part of "three floors of fun" at a concert hall) Vibe killed by a bunch of drunk people....Oh well, anyone goin to Bite in detroit? plur, raph __________________________________________________________________________ _ mudd@um.cc.umich.edu < > \___/ ^+ +^ ' \_/ ' "God will bless you if you belive" ] / \ [ -Eddie 'Flashin' Fowlkes \|/ (|) + + __________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 19 10:34:41 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id FAA09372; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 05:34:35 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA29940; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 04:33:42 -0600 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 04:33:42 -0600 Message-Id: <199411191030.KAA04280@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Calendar update X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO The calendar at acid.com has been updated as of this posting, from when it was published Tuesday evening. If you want it, send mail to mw-raves-cal@acid.com, as usual. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 19 16:43:55 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA13563; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 11:43:40 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA10957; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 10:42:21 -0600 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 10:42:21 -0600 Message-Id: <9411191641.AA22584@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: kiwi@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: kiwi@expert.cc.purdue.edu (-==Kiwi==-) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: A.P 1:00am X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Ok, that's a really good point . . . I don't think we can all meet if Hardfloor is spinnin' at one. So, how about we just meet at the Utopia dealership at 12:00? I don't think that's too drastic of a change. Oh, for all of the people there, I'll be wearing baggy blue jeans and a dark grey hooded sweatshirt and sunglasses. If you see me, say, "Hi.", because I just love meeting net.people. +) kiwi - Pd: For $17, so help me Allah this place better not get busted. -- Stephen Roberts | Purdue University | Drugs against war. Philosopher | From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 19 18:47:12 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA15476; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 13:46:52 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA20271; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 12:44:36 -0600 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 12:44:36 -0600 Message-Id: <199411191843.MAA20139@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: believe@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: xlarge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: a.p. meeting spot X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO 12:00am at the utopia stand. not one o'clock. not at the smartbar. before hard floor. i'll be wearing blue pants, blue shirt, brown hair, green shoes. xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu what did you bring me daddy? well i brought you, death...... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 19 20:50:21 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA17812; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 15:49:59 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA00594; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 14:47:26 -0600 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 14:47:26 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Re[2]: ketamine and other stuff X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO That is what I was about to say.. I got incredibly sick after consuming a grilled cheese sandwich and hotchoclate and Mac and cheese. It wasn't a pleasent upset stomach. It was painful.. I broke into a cold sweat and I felt like I was going to puke. WHAT EVER YOU DO! Wait about 8 hours after rolling before you have any dairy! I learned the hard way.. I don't want you to, it is that bad! JOhn SiN Massive On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, Kammerer, Mark J wrote: > ImSmartRU writes, > > >There are several ways to avoid the day after hangover. Prozac is not > >one of them. The reason you feel better after taking prozac is that it > >inhibits the brake down of seritonin at the neuroreceptor site, causing > >overstimulation. To replace your seritonin, eat foods which contain high > >levels of tryptophan, like milk. > > Yet J2 is quoted in Massive 7 as saying, > > Did you know that if you consume any dairy product during or soon after > downing MDMA you can become incredibly sick? It's some pretty serious > neurochemistry. As in crippling painful headaches which can last up to > days. Do you even know what an MAO inhibitor is? > > I see a definite conflict here. Can anyone resolve this? > > mark j > ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 19 20:53:31 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA17848; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 15:53:11 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA01275; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 14:51:24 -0600 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 14:51:24 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: Lil' Suzy X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, all I know is that one of my co-workers is throwing it.. And he is into house and just like dance music. For all means check it out. I don't think it will be 15.oo or anything.. Hehe On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, Introspection Inc. wrote: > Forwarded message: > > From: John Thomas Drefahl > > > ---------------------------------------- > > Headlining is LIL SUZY herself - LIVE! > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > Tony 'Boom Boom' Badea > > - Mixing the latest in Freestyle, house, underground, > > and acid jazy. > > > > Baby Boy - D.C.P. > > Dj Quick Mixx - Tyme 4 Some Akison > > Robert 'the Rox' Perez - HTMIX Prod. > > Does anyone know about any of these people? I'm wondering what styles > of music to expect and such. > > > Calling out all Tagging Crews! There will > > be a battle to prove who's the best! - $100.00 to > > the winners, call 414.224.6673 leave a message > > Tagging at Serb Hall? Hmm, does this sound like fodder for another > event like the last one held there? I hope fights don't break out > again. > > > - stevenJ > ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 19 22:07:03 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA19016; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 17:06:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA07171; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 15:52:50 -0600 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 15:52:50 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: synergy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Bradley John Owen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Acidic Pyramid X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO For those of you who are going... The price is gonna be either 17 or 18 bux. Just so you bring enough cash (I do however think that is out of hand by any circumstances). Peace. BRad From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 19 23:07:59 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA20220; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:07:50 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA13236; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 17:05:15 -0600 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 17:05:15 -0600 Message-Id: <9411192304.AA05997@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: kiwi@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: kiwi@expert.cc.purdue.edu (-==Kiwi==-) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: No Kiwi, no cry X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, much to my dismay, I'm afraid that I won't be able to make it to Chicago tonight. My friend didn't make enough in tips to make entry fee and gas money. Besides, I really shouldn't go, I have strep throat and and I'm really strapped for cash myself. So, I really hope everything goes well. Sorrowfully, +) kiwi - :( -- Stephen Roberts | Purdue University | Drugs against war. Philosopher | From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 20 00:49:55 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA22010; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 19:49:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA20072; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:48:03 -0600 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:48:03 -0600 Message-Id: <9411200047.AA24547@oak.cats.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: aw975794@oak.cats.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Amy Waldowski To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: bye-bye :( X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO just wanted to say good bye for now. i have to unsub cause i am going to be travelling around for the next month and won't have access. *sob* next time you hear from me, i will have oodles o' news about ATTRACTION which i hope you all are coming to! hope everyone has a good holiday and i will talk to you all sooooon! :) *hugs* amy(butterfly) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 20 06:03:02 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA27026; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 01:02:54 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA06028; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 23:36:21 -0600 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 23:36:21 -0600 Message-Id: <941120003523_3294374@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: DJTrevor@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: DJTrevor@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Intro is in order X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hello, my name is Trevor Lamont. I am a Delaware based D.J. and a new subscriber to mw-raves. I run an organization here called Zenith Group Productions. We do promotions for other events and also throw our own parties. Our next event will be Jan. 21st. 1995 and it is called LOVEBOMB with Mystic Bill, Astroboy, King Britt, Scott Henry, Josh Wink, myself and a couple of other Delaware D.J.'s, plus a very special surprise addition that we will announce later. We did have Derrick Carter but he has to go to Europe so he can't do the event. The special guest is replacing Derrick. I spin a little of everything but my main thing is house, hard hitting Chicago house with a little acid flava. I also have an address for my organization which is zenithprod@aol.com. If you have any questions about the event write me there, if you just want to introduce yourselve and talk write me here. Peace to all in what is the best and friendliest scene of them all, the midwest scene. Trevor Lamont - Zenith Group Productions From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 20 08:26:04 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA28487; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 03:25:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA12644; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 02:24:06 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 02:24:06 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ?que' lo que pasa aqui', ah? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ah yes, summer music memories... just thought i'd summarize lunar loveland for those who could not be in attendance...which is all of you practically... well... the space was very dark..if anyone attended project plato, it was about the same size...with 3 teeny rooms on the side... scary fog macine...one minute you had friends, and the next you not only lost them, but yourself as well...had there been a bigger turnout that could have gotten messy...but given the circumstances it was a damn cool effect, unless you are one of those clausterphobic types... the turnout was a bit smaller than what i had expected...ssl usually seems to bring in MASSIVE crowds...i guess not all of the midwest scene is quite as obsessed with jon williams as i...but the turnout was good for the space..it filled up, but still allowing room for elbow space ("this is my dance space, this is your dance space...you dont go into my dance space...etc".-hehe movie quotes) although i have been to several superstars of love parties since, 2008 left such an impact on me that i am constantly comparing every one of their parties to it, and am undoubtedly disappointed...but you cant top perfection, eh? there was a very strange vibe there, probably seen only through the eyes of a chicagoan...this was the first party ive been to in st. louis that when i looked around, about half the people there weren't from chi, there is usually a big enough number that we can contribute a bit of our own chi vibe with us, be that good or bad, all i'm saying is that it is FAMILIAR... which left the whooping 6 of us in a state of confusion in this uncharted territory...(or at least 3 of us)...i'm not saying that we don't have friends in st. louis, its just well...everything seemed very...distant? strangely surreal? *no acid required...* it might also be that i haven't ventured down to sl since, well...summer, due to my lack of faith in the town after the ritual/deeeeper busts...hence, i was a tad out of touch, so for all i know this could have all been in my head... well enough of that... we arrived during reese's set...quite good, i must say... armani's set kicked my ass into orbit, to say the least...i dont know if anyone else enjoyed it as much...but hey, c'est la vie... drum roll please.... JON WILLIAMS IS THE BOMB!!!! as you all have had pounded into your skulls for the past week, you know quite well by now the reasons for my venturing to louis... and it was worth the trip... i regret that i will not be able to be at alien love tonight to hear him again... there were a few brief moments when i wished he would funk it up a bit, but then those thoughts were outta my head before you could say valvoline... mind drive finished the night off with a bit mellower yet still very dance-able set... i must say for a friday night party, this one was up there... i hope you all are enjoying acidic pyramid or alien love...or whatever ya'll are at...i, myself, am staying home due to 2-15 page pares due on tues, which i have yet to start...(anyone know anything about art censorship?) and 2 paintings, also due tues and not started...ah, the college life... if anyone is getting a copy of hardfloor or any of the party for that matter, kindly let me know so i can dub it..:> more importantly...this summer my previous favorite tape was brutally eaten by my evil car tape player...and although the initial withdrawl symptoms are through, i am feeling the need to reminise (SP?) ahhh...last spring, what a time.... oh yeah my point...if anyone has dj efex-intercourse (4th attempt or maybe it was 3rd...) puh-leeze let me dub it...he's been promising me a new copy for months now, but seeing as he moved to milw. and i to champaign, our paths do not cross quite as much as they used to when we lived only 10 minutes away... speaking of good tribal-trance tapes...can anyone recommend a few more? thanks... gretchen e blount From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 20 14:17:17 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id JAA01195; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 09:17:09 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA19360; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 08:14:19 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 08:14:19 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jjhelton@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: doc To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: WOW! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO WOW... ...i saw a cow in the middle of the highway on the way back from indy this morning. at the time we all thought it was the funniest thing, but i'm sure that all you guyz just really want the same shit everyone post after a party. so, yes astroboy,mike bryant, triptonite, and myself(from what i'm told)rocked indianapolis if ya missed it... sorry for ya:) time for eyelid tv folks -doc From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 20 16:27:45 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA02496; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 11:27:33 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA23733; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:24:16 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:24:16 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: marmoset@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dave Walker To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: orb in detroit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Sat, 19 Nov 1994, SpaceFunk wrote: > > just got back from the LX p. party. It redifined the orb as a bunch of > stuck up rock stars. Place sucked(part of "three floors of fun" at a > concert hall) Vibe killed by a bunch of drunk people....Oh well, anyone > goin to Bite in detroit? Huh? I didn't get that at all. I didn't talk to LX, but Lewis at least was a really good guy (ran into him at Somewhere In Detroit -- he put us on the guest list). Take it for what it was -- a pair of well known out of town DJ's spinning at a club: not a "rave", not an "Orb concert". On those terms my friends and I really enjoyed ourselves. ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@msen.com absolutely sweat, marie Dave Walker From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 20 18:55:27 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA04934; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 13:55:10 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA02162; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 12:48:19 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 12:48:19 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJPAWUUVN68Y5BRA@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CAMMARAT@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: costs of parties X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO um.... have I been reading right? Acidic Pyramid was a whopping 17 dollars? HOLY SHIT! I thought when they went from 12 to 15 it was crazy, but this is truly nuts.... lets look at it from this perspective... how is it that 1) I can throw two free parties for YOU with no budget in a semester 2) Party prices go up, and sometimes, the quality goes down and 3) are we willing to pay this ridiculous amount for a party? Not all of us can get guest listed...not all of us can afford this craziness...this is insane...someone, or some group is making a nice profit off this whole concept and it is not you or me...I think it is time that we reclaim our house nation and bring it back to basic 5-10 dollar parties...you can do a HELL of a lot with a 500 dollar budget...Xanadu, the last major even I went to, was only 5 dollars...that event had a kickin' space, EXCELLENT dj's and neat lights...so why is it that in Chicago/Milwaukee we are excpected to spend ridiculous amounts? feel free to explain this to me...I would REALLY like to hear a responsible explanation of this inflation of prices...is it because flyers cost so much? the dj's? the space? c'mon folks...someone HAS to know.... Tigger (glad he was a jock this weekend and swam in two seperate meets) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 20 19:44:28 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA05640; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 14:44:18 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA06471; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 13:38:13 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 13:38:13 -0600 Message-Id: <941120142900_3524002@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: IMalbon@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: IMalbon@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: BITE was bitten! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Just a short review about Bite in Detroit, 11/19. (I'll give away the ending though, BUS-ted.) Getting there: ??... where's 1456 woodward? there are no addresses on these buildings and they're all RETAIL stores! there's no boomin'base. Oh, DUHH, it's the old map-point technique--rare at Detroit parties lately... discovered the messenger..ended at a warehouse behind a car dealership on Piquette (only 100 yards off Woodward? Risky!.... ) :|:|...Noticed a different attitude than usual while waiting in line. Gangs? Maybe..Large groups of youngsters were let in ahead of everyone else, mostly from similar ethnic backgrounds. I welcome diversity... :):)...Considering the line, surprisingly few people there: ROOM TO DANCE!! :). Stripped down warehouse; minimalistic lighting; no smartbar; chill out room with funky fluid dancer in basement. Considering the realtively unknown line-upof dj's, the music made me move. :(... Only about 5% were dancing: what's up with that??? Many who don't LIVE techno, i think; just standing around in groups. Some good vibes amongst those who's life IS techno. Did you make it, Aaron Bennett? I don't think you got our msg before you left home. Heard dj Mario spin, mostly deep house with a taste of trance. Not bad, but not up to usual Detroit specs. |(...2:20am undercover cops bit bite. reason: underaged drinking alcohol. duh...those who didn't "get it", who weren't dancing, did the only thing they felt comfortable doing: drinking beer. Fuckers spoilt it for us all. peace... linda From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 20 21:38:29 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA07409; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 16:38:21 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA16177; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 15:35:37 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 15:35:37 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJPH58WB0I8Y5CW7@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CAMMARAT@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: alright... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I need help I either need JJ's e-mail address or for JJ to e-mail me, it's about Universal Love..... sorry about the bandwith...it had to be done... Tigger From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 20 23:31:00 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA09133; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 18:30:43 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA28415; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 17:27:56 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 17:27:56 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJPKFJNXDU8WWBDB@lawrence.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: Michael.T.Ingala@lawrence.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "JAIL:MARIJUANA'S ONLY BAD EFFECT" To: Multiple recipients of list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey, i'm new to this mw-raves stuff so first of all hello. This is the first time that i've had anything to say that i deemed worthy of having you all read. Well, those of us who didn't feel like paying $17 for a party and couldn't find a ride to the non-existent Alien Love ended up getting to party anyway. It seems that someone for Muskego had parents who went away for the weekend (from ^) and they decided to throw a little FREE house party. There weren't a whole lot of people there and i think my crew were the only ones who were dancing but it was still a semi-live party. Al G was spinning when we showed up and from what i heard he spun a pretty decent set. Next up on the technics was Eric of network 10. There's ot really too many words that describe Eric besides dope. Now, i know people weren't dancing due to lack of good music because Eric's set was slammin'. Eric is the epitome of a hardcore partier who doesn't quit. I could probably sit here and praise him for the rest of this post but instead i'll just say phat shouts out to Eric. Fuck the warehouse, Network 10 will be back again. Anyhow, our friend Derek from Cleveland came up for the weekend and he brought his partner Jay with him and they also brought a crate of records. That brings me to Jay. I'm pretty new to this scene and it seems that i am in the minority when i say that i love fast breaks. That's exactly what Jay was spinning and even if you're not one for fast breaks, Jay was the muthafuckin' shizzzit. He didn't get too many props for his set but it was late and i think too many people were tied up trying to find change on the floor so they could buy more evil sleep inducing nitrous balloons. Nitrous is fun but leave it for a dead show or a night when you are doing nothing but intending on frying your brain. i, for one, don't have much fun going to a party where everyone is burnt out by 2:30- 3:00 because of extensive nitrous huffing. Last but certainly not least, Dj D-Reck out of Cleveland spun a sick house set. He hasn't really spun at too many parties but i'm hoping his will be a scenehold name by the near future. No disrespect to Eric but D was the main attraction for me last night. He plays shit that most Dj's are afraid to play for fear of being 'wack'. Respect to D-reck. @ more things: 1. Malcolm of TIS did a pa at this party which was most excellent 2. Thank to Ben, Jonah, etc... for giving Eric and Frank a place to stay since the demise of the warehouse. These guys have their shit together and they are the shit as far as me or anyone else who knows better is concerned As the old saying goes..."when ya diss Network 10 ya diss yaself muthafucka'" Peace and Rave the muthafuck On- Mike and the Appleton branch of the Cybercrew From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 00:26:21 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA10281; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 19:26:12 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA03889; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 18:23:28 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 18:23:28 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: The Muskego Gathering... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well what can I say, for one, I think I have one brain cell left! Honestly! This party a was labeled, "The Nitrous Experiment, Part II", being that Part I was the night before at the Massive Posse's hideout! Here is my little input on that rad ass party that NPS Cyberspace threw at some unexpecting "parents who left their kids at home"'s house! For one the vibe was good. I mean everyone was in a good mood. NO ONE was bitchy and everyone just got along so well. I think the whole, "Well we aren't in CHicago for some reason, so lets make the best of it!" mood was on. To be honest, this party was a n2o party! TIS (tripper info sys.) came up and did a live set which was rad. The drugs were few, just a tank o' nitrous that was blurring every other 30 seconds. To be honest this party was like a giant chill out party.. Some danced but most just met people, hung out, and sucked on a balloon all night. I really don't have anything against the nitrous thing, because well it just seemed that it was the proper place for it. Everyone was just so into meeting everyone else. I have to say, small parties are where it is at... Some neato quotes, that came up... 'The coffee is nice, but where is the french toast!' - TiS 'free balloons, where!' - all who were a fiend that night! 'I think my dick fell off! I did too much n2o' - Matt Mot Massive 'I road the little bus to school!' - anonymous twinkie passanger.. They all seem stupid now, but at the time, we were rolling on the floor... John Sin Massive Muthafuckin' Posse.... Biooooottttccchhhh ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 01:12:37 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA11065; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 20:12:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA08008; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 19:08:45 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 19:08:45 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jjhelton@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: doc To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: costs of parties X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO to add my $0.02... ...i think that big parties are alot of times too overrated. i agree with tigger. i think that a smaller scale party, most of the time, is better than big blow-outs. i'm not opposed to big shows. i think they are great, if you realize that it is just that... a big show. if you don't feel a vibe at a big "show", it may have something to do with the fact that it's not as close and personal as say a small to mid size party(a.k.a.RAVE). to put an end to this message i'll just say that... ...$5-$10 parties tend to give you more for your buck. and if you're payin $15+ for a show and don't think your gettin' what ya payed for... go to the smaller shows instead. KEEP GROOVIN' DOC *know your limits* support the scene From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 02:01:42 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA11885; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 21:01:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA12113; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 19:58:26 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 19:58:26 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MiCKeY HoNMyHR To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: BIG n lil.....acidic pyramid X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO WOW....WOW.... YAY....WOW... ok i am gonna try to keep this brief. i am not going to say anything about the drive from fargo to mpls to milwaukee to chi-town other than- I MISSED THE Mpls Road Trip Krew (j, s, h, and d). it wasnt the same w/o you guys. ok the party was soooo great. it was $15 to get in which i didnt mind paying. there were two rooms that were both quite large. when we got there i was in the empty room dancing to some sooooper rad breakbeat/jungle type stuff. soon it started filling up with people and so i went into the main room and listened to hyperactive. I love him. i love what he played. WOW!!! so by this time i was completely content and it was only 1am!!! hardfloor. THIS GUY WAS SOOOOOOOOO RAD!!!!! WOW!!! This guy had me dancing and feeling the largest vibe i have felt in a long time. i absolutely loved his set. it was amazing. everyone who was around was into this guy. even those who were sitting down were moving to the music in some way. it felt so good to look around and see all these people on the speakers, in front of them, in the aisle of the theater everywhere having a good time and dancing. - highlights- 1) meeting x-large, ryan, eric, "erics g/f", jen (thanks for the grapes), tim, and dave h. 2) the vibe 3) the music 4) hardfloor, hyperactive, david hollands, that guy who spun at the beginning. 5) the parallel parking incident :) -things that sucked- 1) wished there would have been an actual chill space 2) not being able to go to the after-party. -questions- what was the deal with selling beer?!? is this a normal thing at chicago raves? did anyone else who went view this as a positive or negative thing? i was in front of a speaker all night and didn't notice anyhting. big vs small parties.... i loved this party. most of the people seemed friendly and there was a great vibe. i love the lights, music, people,...everything. however, i also love the smaller parties. both are essential. i wouldn't want to pay 15 to go to a party that size every weekend nor would i only want to go to the small ones. VAriety is the spice of life. i am glad that i live in the mid-west and can experience both. love ya'll oodles and ooodles mouse p.s.InterLAB, joe, x-large and stevenj- thanks for the kraash space offers. i love ya'll!!!!!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- M I C K E Y H O N M Y H R "i think he said stand together" - beastie boys ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 03:48:38 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA14276; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 22:47:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA21310; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 21:38:39 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 21:38:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199411210338.VAA21248@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: beatpunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: The Muskego Gathering... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO A fun time it was indeed, soooooo thrilled am I when small things go off without a hitch. >Here is my little input on that rad ass party that NPS Cyberspace threw >at some unexpecting "parents who left their kids at home"'s house! For >one the vibe was good. I mean everyone was in a good mood. NO ONE was >bitchy and everyone just got along so well. I think the whole, "Well we >aren't in CHicago for some reason, so lets make the best of it!" mood >was on. Vibes. :) Malcolm was also quite the shit. >To be honest, this party was a n2o party! TIS (tripper info >sys.) came up and did a live set which was rad. The drugs were few, I COVET his drum machine. >just a tank o' nitrous that was blurring every other 30 seconds. To be And some pipes. >honest this party was like a giant chill out party.. Some danced but most >just met people, hung out, and sucked on a balloon all night. I really >don't have anything against the nitrous thing, because well it just >seemed that it was the proper place for it. Everyone was just so into >meeting everyone else. I have to say, small parties are where it is at... No fuckin shit. Not just small, but friendly-small, and everybody was in a good mood, and everybody was just not being an asshole, and that's great. >They all seem stupid now, but at the time, we were rolling on the floor... MMM was a trip. :) ---------------------------beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu------------------------------ "And the further I get from the things that I care about The less I care about how much further away I get" -Robert Smith From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 04:10:07 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA14684; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 23:09:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA23723; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 22:06:21 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 22:06:21 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: XENO...: whale of a time X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO well i of all people am surprised as hell at how good XENOCHODEUM was. it was cheap, and phat, despite the wack space. the bad thing was that this was the same day as the michigan/ohio state football game, and ohio state won for like the first time in 7 years so people were acting like absolute pricks outside... once inside, tho, it was like an island of coolness. phat lights, phat sound (tho too quiet until later), and even better musak really made up for the drunken shenanigans outside. i missed titonton's set, he said he was happy with it so i'll take his werd. i got there while bit from pitt was spinning...weird trance and tekno east-coast styley. then ~sines began with one of his own songs (forthcoming on accelerate) and threw down the wickedest bleepy chi/detroit traxx...he made up for claude young not having shown up (claude called from belgium). diesel boy slammed it in next...WOAH. this was among the most intense sets of jungle drum & bass i have ever heard. beat-cutting galore. even clubster dj's kevy kev (power breaks/industrial) and mike g (club house/tekno) did nice jobs of keeping the cheeze level to the minimum. the crowd was soooooo cooool, combination of (mostly) rave, club, gay, and industrial (??!?!) crowds made fer a phat party that got a few new people indoctrinated. i noticed one industrialish punker really dig the jungle hardcore (he he he). i'm always defensive about columbus' weird micro-scene but this time i have to say that even out-of-towners (from athens, st louis, cleveland, pittsburgh) really liked it. SO THERE. WE DO HAVE A SCENE (even if we have to import it---hee hee). again i say that columbus is a good meeting point, with lots of variety in taste of music, and that if we could only find some nice spaces we'd have a nice little scene! *sigh* i'll be at fiasco this sat. underground detroit at its best. come if you dare. ++ e d From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 04:47:22 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA15505; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 23:47:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA27005; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 22:43:57 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 22:43:57 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJPURN57TU02HWWC@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: HOEL@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: HOEL@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Acidic P X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO All I have to say that whoever missed this party, I feel sorry for you... I couldn't believe the vibe at this place... It goes to show you that these big cities can still throw rad parties that actually work out... This was the first time that I have gone to Chicago for a party. I am very happy that I ignored the unfortunate bad sayings about raves there and ventured to see what they were like... From my standpoint there didn't seem to be any trouble... As mentioned by Mouse it was two rooms... The first thing that I did when I got there was run to the dancefloor to hear Jedidiah's set, it had been a long time since I had heard one of his sets and I was looking forward to it... He played really cool tracks and I had only one complaint - the tempo of the tracks weren't that high... They were danceable, but they just didn't get me kicked started... Oliver (which I believe was Oliver) was on next and he did play some really cool tracks that got me going... He seemed to be just playing tracks and not doing much mixing, but the coolness of his tracks made up for it... After Oliver was Phantom 45, folx this man converted me... I had just liked breaks before that evening, now I simply love them... Phantom's set was incredible, it blew his set at Upside Down away... He totally kept the vibe going and the people dancing... After that was Sync (or at least it was a combo of ESP and Hyperactive.) It was all right... I enjoyed it but couldn't get really into it... SO I ventured into the other room to discover that David Hollands was spinning... This guy has to be one of my favorites... He spun a totally wicked set... I am never disappointed when I am in the room when he spins... I went to the other room and Michael Dearborn was just starting up... Why isn't this guy spinning at more parties around here... This was the first time that I saw him on a bill (then again I never really pay attention to most of Chicago's party flyers.) He is a real good mixer and very entertaining... He threw down the rad tunes and got me all set for Hardfloor... Oh Hardfloor... These guys rocked... if I was going to be a total breaks convert that night, they brought me back... I still haven't cleaned up the mess they caused in my unmentionables... They played some of their newer tracks, and some of their classics... Acperience was so cool... I have to say that these tracks sounded so much better live than they do on vinyl... It wss really cool to see both members of Hardfloor bobbing up in down while messing with those buttons... The icing on this delicious cake was Acid Boy... Todd, both Eric and I want to say that that was the best set all night... Thanks for the experience... It was really cool to meet Curt and Mouse and her friends from ND... Curt you are a very funny man... Mouse, thanx for the friendship pin... Curt, thanks again for the crash space... I hope to see both of you again soon. Oh, I almost forgot the post part at the Oasis on I94... I got to talk to Brad (Synergy) and meet his lovely friend that was along with him, and watch them eat their biscuits and butter... Oh by the way, thanx John Sin for sharing the couch bed with me... Truly Ryan WH Guess what us Platteville ravers figured out... ***************************************************************************** * HOEL@uwplatt.edu "We are uncorrupt and tolerably enlightened * * Ryan Wesley Hoel judges of the transactions of the past ages; * * :> :> :> :> :> :> :> where no passions decieve, and where the whole* * Fun House Productions train of circumstances from the trifling cause* * 608 342 3169(ask for Eric) to the tragical event, is set in an orderly * * shoe size: 9 1/2 series before us." * * - Edmund Burke * ***************************************************************************** From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 05:23:12 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA16268; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 00:22:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA29974; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 23:20:04 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 23:20:04 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJPWTD8CVM02HX7F@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: SCHROEDER@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Eric A. Schroeder" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Acidic Wee Wee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, I havent done a review for the last few parties I have been to. (does anyone read these reviews?) I thought Acidic Piramyd was a really great party. I was glad that the rumors about bad Chicago parties was untrue. I think it has a lot to do with promoters thinking before they plan a party. We met with Kurt and the Minn. peoples and headed to Wax Trax, of course we got lost a few times and I almost got us killed once or twice. We get the tix and I was glad it was only $15 (is that good?, no but not $17-18 as rumor had it, cross apply Tiggers post on prices and all that) I actually felt it was worth it after I heard Hardfloor and Todd, and Mike. I wasnt impressed by Jedidiah (too slow), Oliver was a really bad mixer, and the first players on the live equipment were fooling around too much to make anything sound decent. The vibe was A-OK, of course I could complain about the smokers and who had the idea to sell beer there? The site was beautifull, such a neato building, the acoustics left a little to be desired, especially in the other room, but it was really loud in front and that was all that mattered. I think Todds set was the best, he had a hard act to follow after Hardfloor, and he really showed his stuff, which was the best music that was at that party. I was really tired from the lack of sleep I have gotten in the past few weeks, but I managed to stay on my feet for a while. Overall the party was really nice and I had a great time with everyone I met, including the after party at the Oasis Wendys with Brad and his friend. Thanks go to Kurt for the crash space and company. And to the Minn crew for helping us find the place (??) I didnt get us in an accident, my car wasnt stolen, mutilated or spindled, and none of us got hurt, or molested by priests, so it was a good time. Eric A. Schroeder Eric From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 05:54:33 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA16810; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 00:54:04 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA02374; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 23:51:03 -0600 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 23:51:03 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: the meeting w/ the milwaukee city attorney X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO alright i told you i would let you all in on how the meeting went with the milwaukee city attorney regarding me, eric, and jay.......well when we got there the two undercover assholez were already there and waiting in fact we got to ride in the elevator with them (oh joy)......they then went into the city attorney's office first, i'm sure to plan their stategy on how to fuck us the best......they then took each of us in one by one and asked us various questions pertaining to the party at 32nd and hampton......i answered all their questions but never really told them what they wanted to hear......an example is this......he asked me if i knew that all the drugz were gonna be there, i answered by sayin "we live in a society plagued with drugz, they are everywhere we go, so if i am going to answer this truthfully i would have to say yes cause drugz are everywhere we go, i mean you walk into Walgreenz down the street and there are like lotz and lotz of drugz in there, i mean they have a pharmacy you know" well this really pissed them off and i also answered the rest of the questions like that......well actually it was an assistant city attorney that interrogated us and what he found out will be reviewed by the actual city attorney and then the actual charges will be decided.....so when i know something you will to......also i am waiting for word back from the ACLU about the excessive force that the milwaukee PD demonstrated on a peaceful gathering PEACE LOVE & UNITY bLiTz a.k.a. shannon------TEAR IT DOWN & LET THE TRUTH BEGIN!!! PEACE THROUGH ANARCHY!!! dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 06:17:54 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA17237; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 01:17:47 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA04601; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 00:14:31 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 00:14:31 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: evolve@iglou.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Tim Ramsey To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: costs of parties X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO but wait theres more. Acid pyramid was 15 bux at the map point. the door price was higher specifically so everyone would buy their tix at the map point. The promoter understandably does not want to handle money at the door, especially in chicago(would you want all that cash on your person in chicago). anyway to continue with the cost thread. Some parties are worth more than others. Big name DJs cost major BUX. Most 'name' djs are >$500. also chip from eyegasm has incredible lights but he costs a fortune. Lazers really cost money, sound cost bunches as well. With that out of the way, I would like to add that some promters do charge way too much money. you just have too look where your money is going and decide if you are getting a fair deal. tim From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 06:34:57 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA17400; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 01:34:50 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA05941; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 00:31:47 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 00:31:47 -0600 Message-Id: <941121012327_3929884@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: I am back X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO After working 17-18 hours a day, I am finally (almost done) with the largest Gay club in the US. A few of you sent me mail, please. send it to me again, my mail box ODed. Peace and stay out of trouble. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 06:42:23 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA17461; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 01:42:16 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA06485; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 00:39:02 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 00:39:02 -0600 Message-Id: <199411210638.AAA06427@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: dynamic@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: DynamicGroove To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: costs of parties X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) > >um.... >have I been reading right? >Acidic Pyramid was a whopping 17 dollars? >HOLY SHIT! >I thought when they went from 12 to 15 it was crazy, >but this is truly nuts.... >lets look at it from this perspective... >how is it that > 1) I can throw two free parties for YOU with no budget in a semester > 2) Party prices go up, and sometimes, the quality goes down > > and > 3) are we willing to pay this ridiculous amount for a party? > >Not all of us can get guest listed...not all of us can afford this >craziness...this is insane...someone, or some group is making a nice profit >off this whole concept and it is not you or me...I think it is time that we >reclaim our house nation and bring it back to basic 5-10 dollar parties...you >can do a HELL of a lot with a 500 dollar budget...Xanadu, the last major even >I went to, was only 5 dollars...that event had a kickin' space, EXCELLENT >dj's and neat lights...so why is it that in Chicago/Milwaukee we are >excpected to spend ridiculous amounts? > > feel free to explain this to me...I would REALLY like > to hear a responsible explanation of this inflation of > prices...is it because flyers cost so much? the dj's? > the space? c'mon folks...someone HAS to know.... > > > Tigger > > (glad he was a jock this weekend > and swam in two seperate meets) > ok, 1st off, it was only $15. 2nd if Hardfloor would have been playing a concert at Metro rather than a rave we probably would have paid $18-23 for 2 hours instead of 8. 3rd, east and west coast events are as much $25 and most of those are in clubs. sure the prices have gone up from 2 years ago but the quality has gone up too. from what i heard, acidic pyramid cost in the area of $16,000 to put on. that would mean they would need 1067 people to break even. it looked like there was about 1500 (maybe more, hard to tell). so maybe they made about $7000+. so what ? its hard work to put on a big event. its also even harder to rais $$$ for an event. if you make $$$ then you have it for the next one. as long as the party is done well(and it was done very well) then the promoter deserves somthing in return. people who constantly throw shitty parties dont deserve our $$$. ive thrown around 4 small parties each costing around $1500 ea. we lost money on each one. if i had charged more we could have broken even or made a little money for the next one. basicly what it comes down to is Acid Pyramid was worth $15 (i would have n paid $20) they couldnt have thrown the same event and charged any less. *joe* From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 07:03:03 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA17659; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 02:02:54 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA07620; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 00:59:35 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 00:59:35 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Acidic P X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO grrrr....okay lets just pour salt on gretchens already DEEEP wounds that she spent the night writing a 15pg paper instead oh going to AP... did anyone notice if tony taped it? he usually does...ooh, the suspense is killing me... what was this that was mentioned about neglecting chicago's scene due to its bad rep? grrrr... mike dearborn spins all the time...you must be just going to different parties...he will be spinning this weekend at love revolution in chi... gb From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 07:44:55 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA18049; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 02:44:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA09168; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 01:41:39 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 01:41:39 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: costs of parties X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Tim Ramsey wrote > > anyway to continue with the cost thread. Some parties are worth more > than others. Big name DJs cost major BUX. Most 'name' djs are >$500. > also chip from eyegasm has incredible lights but he costs a fortune. > Lazers really cost money, sound cost bunches as well. With that out of > the way, I would like to add that some promters do charge way too much > money. you just have too look where your money is going and decide if > you are getting a fair deal. > > tim > you neglected to mention spaces...and let me tell you in chi they are ex-pen-sive!!! yeesh! gb From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 08:12:52 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA18293; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 03:12:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA10020; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 02:09:26 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 02:09:26 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: costs of parties X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO sorry, its me again hate to bug ya'll but... about joes statement that parties have improved oh-so-drastically since 92... hullo? sure, there were some shitty parties back then, but how can you honestly imply that?...just compare...rave new world (moby, prodigy, cybersonik, r. hawtin, j aquaviva.....to love nation 94....same space, but let me tell you, rnw kicked ln's ass into orbit...and this is coming from someone who is already biased- i had to help out with ln)........... and what about orbital...and psychosis1... and just try comparing enema(92) to crunch(94)....both at the oak theater...enema was one of my favorite parties of that year...and crunch, well... maybe my memories of these parties are just growing fonder with age, but really...you should definitely give more credit to those earlier parties... gb From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 08:50:33 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA18550; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 03:50:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA10977; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 02:47:11 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 02:47:11 -0600 Message-Id: <9411210846.AA17663@aug1> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: allen@augsburg.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: last friday in milwaukee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >Fuck me? Put yourself in the cops' shoes. You have a job to do, agree >with the laws that are being broken or not. Obvious signs of drug use, >unknown who's sorted and on what. Many people get extremely violent when >drugged up, and many dealers have weapons to equal yours. > >Do you expect any cop to let someone just run away from a bust, while >just saying nicely "Wait here, if you feel like it, sir."? > >I am all for civil disobedience. I am also against whining when it all >doesn't go your way. Remember Socrates? He died for his rebelliousness. > >-- >_____________________________________________________________________________ >fixer@d2.com is Robert Smith Digital Domain > phone: 310/314-2920 300 Rose Avenue > fax: 310/314-2866 Venice, CA 90291 >_____________________________________________________________________________ > "I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass...and I'm all out of gum" Aheh, your hangin yerself with yor own noose, there, my freind- Socrates did , in fact die for being a rebel, but he , in fact, choose to do so. He was indicted, and put on trial, but refused to recant his beliefs, to the consternation of the senate. They then threatened the punishment of death, expecting him to then admit he was wrong in teaching young ppl to ask questions. to their suprise he accepted the verdict- still, they left him basicaly unguarded, expecting him to escape, which plato encouraged him to do- he refused, and on the appointed hour, drank the arsenic, because to him, his beliefs were more important than his life. I,m not trying to say any particular rave is worth dying for, but to submit to authority can be a question of personal conscience. btw. the "fuck you 2" wasnt personal but an adjunct to the following reply which got returned.... Allen.para ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 421 Host .csd.uwm.edu not found for mailer ddn. 550 ... Host unknown ----- Unsent message follows ----- Return-Path: Received: from [141.224.128.58] by aug1 (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA18143; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 17:43:54 +0600 Message-Id: <9411172343.AA18143@aug1> Errors-To: X-Sender: allen@aug1.augsburg.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 08:48:18 -0600 To: mw-raves@.csd.uwm.edu From: allen@augsburg.edu (Paul Allen) Subject: Re: HOME crimes content-length: 745 >Compassion is warranted as far as not wanting to see anyone go to >prison for something not warranting prison time. But the fact is that >he broke the law, whether or not the law is stupid. > >- stevenJ I dont like this statement- by this logic we should'nt break any laws. Unpermitted parties, freely using chemicals, tagging, many things this commuinty stand for are illegal or at least suppressed by our government & society- and they DO NOT warrant prision time, although we are actively harrassed and persecuted by law enforcement. through what I've seen happen to our culture- i'll say it again - FUCK THE PO-LICE ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Allen.para From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 09:06:32 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA18901; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 04:06:18 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA11374; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 03:02:53 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 03:02:53 -0600 Message-Id: <199411210905.TAA20575@seldon.apanix.apana.org.au> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: shawn@apanix.apana.org.au Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Shane Martin To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: It has been fun :) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO just wanted to say good bye for now. i have to unsub cause i am going to be very busy else where. See you all soon bye From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 13:30:02 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id IAA26525; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 08:29:52 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id HAA16832; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:26:45 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:26:45 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: marmoset@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dave Walker To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Dairy (was Re: Re[2]: ketamine and other stuff) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Sat, 19 Nov 1994, John Thomas Drefahl wrote: > That is what I was about to say.. I got incredibly sick after consuming a > grilled cheese sandwich and hotchoclate and Mac and cheese. It wasn't a > pleasent upset stomach. It was painful.. I broke into a cold sweat and I > felt like I was going to puke. WHAT EVER YOU DO! Wait about 8 hours > after rolling before you have any dairy! Not to dispute you, but these symptoms sound very close to what those of us who are lactose intolerant (which sucks because I really do like milk) experience after overdoing it on milk and cheese. Have you ever had problems with milk when clean? ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker marmoset@msen.com new frontiers in pleasure management Dave Walker From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 13:47:30 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id IAA26774; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 08:46:55 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id HAA18156; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:43:00 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 07:43:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199411211345.IAA29356@london.physics.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sho@physics.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sho Kuwamoto To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: costs of parties X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Forwarded message: > From: blount gretchen e > > about joes statement that parties have improved oh-so-drastically since 92... > hullo? sure, there were some shitty parties back then, but how can you > honestly imply that?...just compare...rave new world (moby, prodigy, > cybersonik, r. hawtin, j aquaviva.....to love nation 94....same space, > but let me tell you, rnw kicked ln's ass into orbit...and this is coming > from someone who is already biased- i had to help out with ln)........... Hmm... I thought rnw was pretty weak. Then again, I didn't go to ln94. If you recall, Moby played is usual set off of DAT (which is I guess ok if you've only seen him once, but gets old after a while), and Prodigy kept walking off the stage complaining about the sound. ..and the MC kept getting upset with the crowd for not being excited enough.. It was weird. Cybersonik jammed, though... and it felt too much like a concert. Yuk. > and what about > orbital...and psychosis1... Psychosis1 was good until Psychic TV came on.. ewww.. > maybe my memories of these parties are just > growing fonder with age, but really...you should definitely give more > credit to those earlier parties... There were good parties back then, and there are good parties now. I just don't think rave new world was an example of a good party.. :) -Sho -- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm having for lunch! Sho Kuwamoto. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 14:32:08 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id JAA27727; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 09:31:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA22756; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 08:26:22 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 08:26:22 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sascha@noc.ns.itd.umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sascha Linn To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Fwd: internetMCI News Release (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I got this info at work yesterday. I thought there might be some interest in this out there. L8r, Sascha =) sascha@umich.edu --------------------------------------------- Forwarded Message ----------------------------- Date: Sun Nov 20, 1994 4:00 pm EST From: Business Markets Public Relations / MCI ID: 684-3405 TO: * Ken Newcomer / MCI ID: 640-7162 Subject: internetMCI News Release Message-Id: 62941120210426/SLRA000000DC2EM MCI Business Markets will issue the following internetMCI announcement release on Monday, November 21 at 8 a.m. Frank J. Walter David Sutton MCI Business Markets 1-800-644-NEWS MCIBIZ@mcimail.com MCI INTRODUCES internetMCI: PORTFOLIO OF SERVICES INCLUDES NEW SECURE SHOPPING MALL, EASY TO USE SOFTWARE AND HIGH-SPEED CONNECTIONS TO THE INTERNET ATLANTA--November 21, 1994--Making it easier for businesses and consumers to use and shop the Internet, MCI today announced "internetMCI," a portfolio of services featuring such components as a new secure electronic shopping mall, a user-friendly software package for easy Internet access and high-speed network connections to the Internet. "MCI is making the Internet as easy to use, as accessible and as critical to businesses as today's global phone network," said Timothy F. Price, president of MCI's Business Markets. "With internetMCI, businesses of all sizes will now be able to not only display but also directly sell their goods and services over the Internet. For the 25 million people on the Internet, shopping the Internet will become simple and secure." The new MCI offering represents the most comprehensive set of Internet services in the industry, according to Price. "There are other companies that offer Internet-related services, but no one else offers the full range of applications software, access, storefronts and consulting services in one package," he said. "We now have everything companies need to promote commerce over the net. This is what American businesses have been waiting for." Users of internetMCI will be able to browse and shop in MCI's new Internet shopping mall called marketplaceMCI. MCI said it is working with a number of America's most well-known retailers and information providers to design storefronts for them when marketplaceMCI opens early next year. MCI has already begun beta testing on-line electronic shopping with about 40,000 employees. A key component of internetMCI is a software system developed by Netscape Communications (formerly Mosaic Communications). Using encryption technology from RSA Data Security, the system integrates a number of components into a secure environment. Included are the Netscape Navigator server and database software for storefront management and secure credit-card clearing. Also included is a digital signature system operated by MCI to certify and identify valid merchants for internetMCI. The complete system allows consumers to shop and make secure transactions directly over the Internet without the fear of having their credit card number or other sensitive information stolen by electronic eavesdroppers. The software package also has point-and-click technology that lets consumer and business users easily and quickly browse the Internet's World Wide Web over ordinary phone lines. "Transaction security is the last major hurdle to making the Internet a viable marketing and distribution channel for businesses," said Price. "By the year 2000, MCI expects commerce on the Internet will exceed $2 billion and be as common as catalog shopping is today." Through an agreement with FTP Software, Inc., MCI will provide the Internet Protocol software along with the Netscape software in one easy-to-install package. FTP Software, the leading independent supplier of TCP/IP-based network software, will also provide MCI with integration and support of its software. MCI will offer internetMCI software to customers at prices starting as low as $49.95. The internetMCI software will also be included at no additional charge to customers of networkMCI BUSINESS, an integrated information and communications software package. MCI will market storefronts to retailers and service companies that want to promote and sell their goods to the estimated 25 to 30 million people who can now access the Internet worldwide. MCI will offer businesses consulting in the design, implementation and management of their storefronts, in addition to the added value of MCI's ongoing promotion and marketing of the new mall services. MCI To Provide High-Speed Connections to Internet MCI's internetMCI Access Services will be fully integrated with its existing business long distance services. Internet access will be available in a wide range of methods from switched local and 800 access and dedicated access to more advanced switched data services such as ISDN, frame relay and, in the future, SMDS and ATM. A full Internet service provider, MCI will offer dedicated access to the Internet from nearly 400 locations in the U.S. Another component of internetMCI is the company's new high-speed connections to the Internet through the new MCI Internet Network. This network is one of the highest capacity, most widely-deployed commercial Internet backbones in the world, providing businesses with direct and reliable connections to the Internet. Compared to most conventional Internet access networks, MCI Internet Network offers greater transmission speed and capacity because the network operates at 45 megabits per second. Next year, MCI will increase the speed of the MCI Internet Network to 155 megabits per second, capable of transmitting 10,000 pages in less than a second or a 90-minute movie in just three minutes. MCI Selected as Primary Internet Carrier Following its selection by some of the major regional Internet providers in the U.S., MCI will become one of the world's largest carriers of Internet traffic -- carrying more than 40 percent of all the U.S. Internet traffic. The regional Internet providers BARRnet; CICnet; CSUnet; JVNCnet; Los Nettos; Merit; MICHnet; MIDNet; NEARnet; NorthWestNet; SURAnet; and Sesquinet) have been a part of the Internet since its inception and have been a major force in the drive towards ubiquitous network connectivity, which has helped make the Internet so popular. MCI's Internet initiatives are being directed by Vinton G. Cerf, MCI senior vice president for data architecture, and an industry-recognized "Father of the Internet," along with a team of world-class experts on the Internet. "The Internet is a global resource of unmeasured value and potential to educators, governments, businesses and consumers," said Cerf. "MCI is preserving and enhancing the intelligence and economic power of the Internet while making it easier and more accessible than ever before." MCI Showcases Interactive Multimedia Message on the Internet Earlier this month, MCI began an innovative marketing campaign on the Internet that plays off the company's successful Gramercy Press ads for networkMCI BUSINESS. Users of the Internet can, with a click of the mouse, learn more about the characters in the Gramercy Press commercials, even hear their voices or see video images of them. The campaign, which already has been viewed by more than 100,000 Internet users, has an interactive component that allows Internet users to actually submit their art, poetry or short stories for viewing on the Internet. MCI selects pieces and publishes them on the "net," where they can be viewed by the millions of users of the Internet worldwide. Internet users can travel to Gramercy Press on their own (address: http://www.mci.com/gramercy/intro.html) or via "Hotwired," the new on-line spinoff of "Wired" magazine. MCI is a sponsor of the magazine's "Flux" section, which offers news about Internet movers and shakers. Hotwired members can reach Gramercy Press at http://www.hotwired.com (click-on "signal" zone). "The Internet is a marketer's dream come to life," added Price. "It's full-color, full-motion and full of potential. MCI not only expects to be on the leading edge of marketing its own services on the Internet, but also in the forefront of helping our customers tap the marketing power of the Internet." For more information on internetMCI, call 1-800-779-0949. With 1993 revenue of nearly $12 billion, MCI Communications Corporation is one of the world's largest communications companies. Headquartered in Washington D.C., MCI has more than 65 offices in 58 countries and places. The company's Atlanta-based MCI Business Markets provides a wide range of communications and information services to America's businesses, including networkMCI BUSINESS, long distance voice, data and video services, and consulting and outsourcing services. # # # Editor's Note: Fact sheets on internetMCI, the Internet and a backgrounder on the history between MCI and the Internet are also available. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 15:55:50 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA29425; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:55:38 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA06821; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 09:48:53 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 09:48:53 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: *ahem* X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO wow....just to think i only sent out the rnw, enema, psychosis memo not 10 hrs....sleeping hours, to boot, and people are already in my face....are you guys always this cranky at 9am? let me defend myself here... when i spoke of these parties, i was referring to the overall party and the general vibe, not certain dj's performances... i agree the prodigy sucked i agree psychic tv killed the party but that doesnt mean that i did not have an incredible time at both... there is more to a rave than just the music... i mean, yeesh...my carborator died on the way to rnw, and dan (efex) and i practically had to push my sad little Honda into the parking lot, which is quite a disturbing experience for a then 16yr old...i went into the party with a rather salty attitude, and still has a kick ass time... and psychosis? gretchen got to play mommy and console all her phreakin phriends who took too much acid and were convinced that they'd just seen duplicates of themselves run by-they thought that aliens were impersonating them and going to take over the world...needless to say this put a bit of a damper on the party and my own trip- when the finally settled down again, psychic tv came on and sounded like shit...and then dave(y-dave) decided that it was time for us to leave... so theoretically i should have had a shitty time at both these parties. alas, being the eternal optimist that i am these were a few of the best parties of my raving career... so if the performance of 1 or 2 djs can ruin an entire party, then y'all really start to look at a raves other aspects, not just the music* *footnote-or just go back to 2 weeks ago with 'why do we rave' posts... gretchen e blount From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 16:08:00 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA29714; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:07:45 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA09225; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:00:52 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:00:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199411211600.IAA04994@taz.hyperreal.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mike@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Mike Brown To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fwd: internetMCI News Release (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Oh no! The Death of the Net is Imminent! :) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 16:13:46 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA29849; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:13:25 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA10814; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:09:10 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:09:10 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: marmoset@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dave Walker To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fwd: internetMCI News Release (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Mike Brown wrote: > Oh no! The Death of the Net is Imminent! :) Have you ever had a salesman interrupt your dinner three times to ask you to switch Internet providers? You Will. (R) (C) (TM) (All Rights Reserved) ;) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 16:56:00 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA00772; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:55:46 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA18452; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:46:53 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:46:53 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: gb-Post this onto mw-raves, PLEASE! (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO this message was sent to me with the request that i post it to all of you..= .=20 gretchen ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:41:16 -0600 (CST) From: alvarez bob To: Gretchen Subject: Post this onto mw-raves, PLEASE! Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: MushGroove Newsgroups: alt.rave Subject: =BD speed =BD - HARDCORE CHICAGO, USA DECEMBER 3, 1994 A.D. Date: 16 Nov 1994 02:35:37 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 158 Message-ID: <3abr5p$5tb@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: isr-m28-19.urh.uiuc.edu mushgroove - incredibeets SATURDAY DECEMBER 3rd IN HARDCORE CHICAGO, IL. USA ______________________________________________________________________ _____ _ _______ ___ \_ _______ \_ ___ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ _ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ _ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ _____ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ _____ \_ _ _____\_ - featuring - Live and Direct from Frankfurt, Germany in their first U.S. appearance performing a live P.A. THE SPEED FREAK ( Monotone,Shockwave Records, Germany ) and MIKE Inc. (Force, Inc., Musicworks) along with P.A.'s by DELTA 9 - CHICAGO ( Drop Bass Records ) DJ HYPERACTIVE - CHICAGO ( U.C., Drop Bass, Contact ) - Midwest Reps - DJ SKULL - CHICAGO ( Djax Upbeats Records ) ESP WOODY McBRIDE - MINNEAPOLIS ( U.C.,Drop Bass, Magnetic North, LabWorks,Germany) MR. BILL - MILWAUKEE ( Hardcore Terorist ) EFEX - CHICAGO ( Performing The Fast Track To Hell ) MADDGROOVE - CHICAGO ( Acid Love Core ) ROBERT ARMANI - CHICAGO ( A.C.V., Djax Upbeats, DanceMania Traxxmen ) TERRY MULLAN - CHICAGO ( House WonderWorker ) MYSTIC BILL - CHICAGO ( Physics, H.P.S. ) Special 4 Turntable Performances by HAP - E - VIBES SONIC BOOM ( MushGroove, Chicago ) JETHROX JEDIDIAH ( Drop Bass, Milwaukee ) and spinning Chicago's Ruffest Jungle/Drum n'Bass PHANTOM 45 JJ JELLYBEAN ( C.H.A. Massive ) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - SPEED will feature some of the finest talent from around the world, another all-out moving EV-MT concert series sound system by DIVERSIFIED AUDIO, laser light show spectacular featuring dual multi-colored Argon systems, the latest in I-Beam technology, Liquid Adrenaline smart bar by Liquid Technology of New York City, merchandise and vendors from around the globe, Live drum circle by The Tribe and The People of Rhythm (bring drums for discounted admission), live video mixing by Video Drugs, loops by Zero Films, and security by Chicago's Finest. 24/7 info on SPEED Chicago 312.509.6869 312.509.6888 ( mushgroove ) ( incredibeets ) suburbs 708.581.3200. EX. 287 ( ATP ) 708.786.3940 ( Legnd ) Milwaukee 414.777.3998 ( Drop Bass Network ) 414.777.EXTC ( Massive ) Madison 608.283.3357 ( The Away Team ) Minneapolis 612.649.4902 ( Disco Family Plan ) St. Louis 314.994.1114 ( Superstars of Love ) Iowa Waterloo 319.277.4610 ( Exit Left ) Cedar Falls 319.757.5323 ( Exstatis ) DesMoines 515.225.8440 ( One Word ) Cincinnatti Baltimore (Yum-Yum) 513.648.9647 (Modern Music)410.523.1882 Indianapolis Cleveland Heights, Ohio ( Sin Prod.) 317.899.8100 (Deep Records)216.382.3101 Toronto Philadelphia (X-Static) 416.599.3851 (611 Records) 215.413.9100 Washington D.C. New York City (Music Now) 202.638.3272 (Subtopia) 212.431.6718 E-Mail archon@acid.com. an138501@anon.penet.fi mw-raves-cal@acid.com. ftp: hyperreal.com:/raves/mwraves/calendar mushgroove - incredibeets From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 16:58:56 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA00810; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 11:58:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA18609; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:47:30 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 10:47:30 -0600 Message-Id: <199411211648.LAA00735@london.physics.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sho@physics.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sho Kuwamoto To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: *ahem* X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Ok.. I should have been more careful with my message. I'm glad you had a good time at rave new world. I didn't mean to be in your face about it. -Sho -- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm having for lunch! Sho Kuwamoto. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 18:30:59 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA02959; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:30:30 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA09054; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:26:15 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:26:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199411211824.AA213452294@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: cost of parties X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO To keep this threat going all I have to say is "Coming from a place where good raves cost between $35-65 I'm actually quite happy paying only +-$20." You can't have both good Dj and cheap parties. Westbam, Marusha and Sven Vath(not that I like him) etc. get around $5000 for a 50 min set. Plus hotel and airfare then figure in the cost of the lasers and lightshow, this amounts to a lot of $$$$$$. I'm not saying these are the better parties, but you get what you pay for. peace Dj Fantasia \\ // (o o) oOOo (@) oOOo (My attempt at something creative, defenitly not my strong side) ------------- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 18:51:16 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA03520; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:50:59 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA13141; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:44:37 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:44:37 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: evolution3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO just wondering.... is anyone from the milw,chi,mad-town,or louis areas planning to head down to ky for evolution 3? just curious, because as of right now, i do believe im bussin' it...which is costing me an arm and a leg...but if there WAS any one...do you possibly have an extra space? if not, no biggie...i was just curious... god i miss my car... i do believe a uhaul party truck is definately a must for january 14...Fathom...reese, mystic bill, astroboy, dieselboy, chip b , david hollands...etc... common guys, this is the last weekend of xmas break...live a little:> if there is any intrest i will look into it... i do believe i am attending sputnik5 in atlanta for new years...im in the process of rounding up a bunch of my friends to go...if anyone else is interested, i do believe we are flying...we most certainly have a place to stay (although i will check just in case, but i severly doubt it will be a problem...) ahhhh...time for me to fly, im off to the law library...oh the excitement is overwhelming.... gretchen e blount dont ask, i dont know why i added returns....i havent slept in a really really really long time...were talking no more than 2 hrs a night, and 3 days with NO sleep...since 2 weeks ag othis wed...i fell like that damn energizer bunny....except for the fact that im typing like shit....sorry... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 19:34:57 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA04168; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 14:34:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA21040; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:24:38 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:24:38 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: marmoset@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dave Walker To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: cost of parties X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 21 Nov 1994 yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu wrote: > To keep this threat going all I have to say is > "Coming from a place where good raves cost between $35-65 I'm actually quite > happy paying only +-$20." You can't have both good Dj and cheap parties. > Westbam, Marusha and Sven Vath(not that I like him) etc. get around $5000 for a > 50 min set. Plus hotel and airfare then figure in the cost of the lasers and > lightshow, this amounts to a lot of $$$$$$. I'm not saying these are the > better parties, but you get what you pay for. I'm going to leave the rest of this post alone, but not even "DJ Jehovah on the Heavenly Wheels of Steel" is worth $5000. And I hope somebody beats my ass with a fencepost if I ever give anyone $65 for a party. ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@msen.com play sim freeke Dave Walker From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 21:10:38 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA05808; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:10:14 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA22404; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:31:06 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:31:06 -0600 Message-Id: <199411211930.NAA10742@batch1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: DMGRAY@ucs.indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: TriPtoNitE To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: NOCTURNA X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey everybody! just wanted to say i had a terrific time here in indiana at NOCTURNA. Got to see astroboy spin for 3 hours. WooHoo!!! Added bonus for the evening...DOC spinning after myself and doin quite the job of it..specially with that extra special new vinyl he has 8*). Extra extra bonus...mike bryant from muncie (???) blew me away! ive seen him before, but i have never really paid attention. Shame on me...definitely give this guy a call...he really needs to get goin outside of indy...and hes gonna! Maybe next time we can get some more net people to NOCTURNA. I know its not a big event, but its a great place to hang. See ya there next time... Oh yeah...there really was a cow in the middle of the road on the way home...quite big at that. Until next time... ...devin ...dmgray@ucs.indiana.edu ..."TriPtoNitE" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 21:12:26 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA05887; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:11:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA23046; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:34:06 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 13:34:06 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: synergy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Bradley John Owen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: j'aime la musique danse X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO good afternoon all in midwest raves land... i have a few things to say about this weekend. i will have to say that acidic pyramid was a great party...i had an excellent time...enjoyed a majority of the music...met some new people...it's all good. to begin, jedidiah was okay...i liked the fact that he played capricorn's "harikari," a nice blissful track which sounds excellent on coming out of a large number of crystal clear ev-mt's. nonetheless, i thought oliver's set was good because of the tracks he had...most of which were songs we'll probably never get here in the US...or at least not for some time. he played tracks out for a very long time, which was interesting since alot of dj's are in too much of a hurry to mix. if there's one thing i've learned in my limited experience as a dj, wait for the mix. it'll make your set so much better...and the crowd will like it more too. plus...that way you have more time to make sure you're beats are on...it's ultimately beneficial in all aspects. anyway...phantom 45 played some decent breaks...i like the music but i rarely dance to it. i prefer jungle for home listening. hyperactive and woody were okay...although much of it just sounded like someone sitting in their bedroom fucking around with a drum machine. when some kind of melody kicked in, it sparked my ears a little more. mike dearborn's set was interesting...and he's a nice fellow at that. hardfloor was definitely the highlight of the evening, however. they are by far some of the most creative minds in dance music today. i have religiously bought anything hardfloor since i first got the hardtrance asperience ep...to see them play ten feet away from me was quite exhilirating. they played one new song which i've never heard before...a little mid tempo ditty. 'twas nice by any standards. my only disappointment was the fact that they didn't rework any of their songs live...the patterns, filtering, drum programming, etc. were all the same as what you would find on the records. but it was all live (no dat whatsoever)...three 303's, a 909 (which looked really messed up...all taped together), an effects processor, sampler, and some keyboard which i didn't recognize. "lost in the silver box," "transcript," "into the nature," "funalogue." need i say more? todd poepping's set...though cut short...rocked the proverbial house. nonetheless, the ten intellibeams which were programmed beatifully...along with the laser made this one of the best light shows i've seen in along time. all around this party rocked. no stabbings, no one taking off all their clothes and running out into the streets, no one getting mugged (as far as I know). it's all good. (oh...the sound system was beautiful too) NOW...to address the discussion of parties today compared to parties back in the day. as far as i'm concerned, i've yet to attend any event which remotely compares to grave, or joy, or any of those. there wasn't as much shit going on...the drugs weren't as obscenely overdone... raves were tons better when those attending were a cross section of the population..just regular people coming together and dancing. rather than a select group of "ravey" people. they weren't ecstacy rub each other down fests or shit like that. parties are still fun for me (see above)...but not as exciting or as crazy as the first i went to. as far as the situation regarding the 32nd and hampton experience. walking into the district attorney's office, being cocky and talking trash, will get you nowhere. it might seem cool to you now...but think of things on a grander scale. rave status will eventually fade away...and life still goes on...while this may seem like parental advice, use your head a little. those parties were irresponsibly thrown (ie alcohol, very blatant drug consumption, etc) and i think that trying to avoid being hit REALLY hard in the pocketbook would be in order. oh yeah...i doubt the civil liberties union will do jack...they refused to get involved in grave and i don't think your case is as convincing. i'm not trying to tear you down personally...just offering some constructive criticism. okay...this message is long enough don't you think. much respect to craig, matthew hawtin, ryan of platteville, and all of you who eat chex party mix and enjoy it. brad synergy quadrasonic promotions massive mhaagggaaazzeen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 21:24:13 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA06367; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:23:23 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA13850; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 15:17:07 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 15:17:07 -0600 Message-Id: <199411212111.VAA25322@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Acidic Pyramyd review X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Acidic Pyramyd 11.19.94 Chicago I'd say that this ranks right up there with some of my favorite Chicago parties. The space was very cool, the people were very cool, and the music was very _very_ cool. And to all those people who are complaining about the price... bite me. I thought it was worth it. Got there around 9:30, and walked around the space. It was held, as probably most of you know, at the Congress Theatre. A couple of other notable parties have been held there, but this was the first time I've ever been inside. It really is a huge beautiful building, with immensely high domed ceilings, ornate lights and fixtures, large swirly staircases, etc. The "main floor" was the theatre itself, with DJ's et. al set up on the stage (speaker stacks both on the floor and on the stage), and the first several rows of seats removed and some type of bouncy-like plating put over the floor to dance on. EV-MT's a plenty. The "second floor" was in the huge lobby, with the DJs situated on an upstairs balcony. It looked cool in there, but since everything was marble or concrete in that room, the accoustics were horrible (echoing and what-not). Two dinky stacks of Cerwin Vegas for sound... which considering how much echo and reverberation I heard, were enough. Jedidiah started at 10:00 in the main room, and I danced for his whole set. Although several others have reported his selections as being rather slow, I thought it was a very good, solid routine. Several new songs and some other stuff I hadn't heard in a while. To me, He hasn't sounded this good since Atlantis (Unwind was an exception). Oliver was at 11:00, and I danced for a little of his set. Long sections of songs, okay mixes, experimental selections. As Brad observed, he waits for the mix, instead of forcing it. Cool if you like the song, but if you aren't groovin' on that particular track, you might be waiting for a few minutes. :-) I dug what he played, though. Phantom 45 came on next; and although I was too busy running around doing other stuff, I liked what I heard. I thought that he had a much better set than at Upside Down, and he kept the dance floor packed, too. At one Hyperactive and Woody combined to form Sync Project once again. The first time I heard them was in Madison at Enchantment, Saturday in Chicago I thought they were every bit as good. I'd like to see them do this more often. In the second room at the same time, was my first experience with Dave Hollands. Although he complained later of a poor set and people repeatedly bothering him while he was spinning, I thought he sounded great. I very much dug what he played... it seems that a lot of what he played, while not necessarily brand new, was stuff I hadn't heard in a while, and liked a lot. Finally met the man later in the morning; _very_ nice guy. Weird that he mentioned that I spoke in a "Chicago accent" (I'm from Milwaukee). Bought his tape, that sounds great too. And big kudos for listing all the tracks on the tape sleeve... people like me who don't necessarily know names of songs appreciate it ("so _that's_ what this is..." :-). Sync Project's gear was all over the place, so instead of taking the time to move it all away and then have Hardfloor come on, they put the next DJ up instead. Terry Mullan was double-booked and well... I'm glad they got Mike Dearborn. I've only had the opportunity to hear him a few times, which is a shame, because I think he's very good, and spins all the stuff I really like. It seems that the majority of what he plays is from DJax's label, but that's okay by me. :-) Totally packed the floor. Hardfloor came on next, and my god... I thought that Sync Project was good, but listening to these two guys from Germany; it was as if they were spinning their records. It sounded _perfect_. A few selections sounded a bit slower than what I've heard on vinyl, but otherwise it was purely astounding. The crowd was absolutely spellbound. _Big_ props to Sense Productions for bringing them to Chicago and putting them on stage for us to hear. Still running late, Todd P. didn't come on 'til 4:15. And I think that's the only bad thing of the evening, because I'm of the opinion that he TOTALLY kicked major butt from here to the border. I've been a big fan of his since I started listening to him spin on WMSE; in fact the tapes my friend has of broadcasts of the show when Todd spun have big "X"'s on them. This was the hardest, newest, most in-your-face Todd I've ever heard. At 4:30 Tony came on and told everyone that we only had a half-hour left before the lease said we had to leave, so we should just make the best of it... and we did. Everyone just had a _great_ time and danced their ass off. I sincerely hope this means bigger and better venues for Todd... he's definitely deserves it (and is one of the nicest guys I've met in the scene, too). The lights in the lobby were kinda' blah... a two I-beams, some spots, and those little things that I don't know what they're called but just shoot a bunch of different colors out. (?) The main room was, well, amazing. As I've indicated in previous reviews, I'm not a big fan of lights, but I do like lasers. And this show had some (one?) wicked ass multi-colored laser from hell. It was situated right above the DJ's heads and ran clear bright beams all the way to the back of the theater. With that huge amazing domed ceiling, the loud clear sound, the great music, the people dancing on the speakers and in the isles, the mongo laser of the gods, and the good vibe, it was... well, very larger than life. >From what I've heard, the promoter either didn't or barely broke even (the final numbers hadn't been figured yet at that time). Rent of that massive building, massive sound, lights (10 Goldenscans and the laser from beyond), Hardfloor and the other great DJ's, mongo flyers, etc. etc... all this cost boocoo bucks. Yes, I like big parties, yes I like small parties. At small parties you're not going to get Hardfloor to do a live set or have all those lights or that laser or be able to dance in that huge cool place... or have no fear of being busted. You pay for that. I have a full-time job, and although I didn't pay to get in, I would have. It's unfortunate that Tony decided to charge $17 at the door ($15 at Wax Trax, but nobody knew that in advance)... I think that extra $2 kept a lot of people away, which is a shame. No, I wouldn't like paying $17, but I thought it was worth it _to me_. A lot of regulars that I usually see at parties weren't there, and I think they missed a great time. There were people that I knew who went that bitched about the price (and thought about not even going), but then thought nothing about dropping $20-$50 on drugs for the night. Guess we know where their priorities are? Afterhours was pretty cool. Davey Dave and Dave Hollands spun. Broke up at 9:30, though. Pfft. Don't know what happened with Alien Love... I thought _that_ was to be the after-hours. Did it get busted? Side-note... those dog-tag VIP/crew/DJ passes were a _very_ cool idea! The smart-bar ran out very early in the night, which sucked, but they weren't expecting to be able to put up a booth so maybe they didn't have all of their stuff with them. +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | A crew from Kentucky came up to the party, and on their way spent $100 of | | their own money on bottled water... when they got to the party they stood | | in the lobby and gave it out to everyone there. | +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Events like above make me feel _very_ good about parties and the people associated with them. Major _major_ thank you's to everyone who gives something back to a scene that has given you so much. Ahh... err... I've written enough. You're all asleep now. :-) I'm glad everything went off so well... after Home I admit I was pretty bummed, but things look much better again. A final big _big_ thank you to Tony and all of his crew at Sense for putting this together; I'm sure it wasn't easy but everything seemed to go okay if not damn well. :-) See you all at Speed... -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 22:08:30 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA07689; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:08:09 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA23916; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:00:04 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:00:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199411212159.QAA03217@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rebecca Jill Maslow To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Becca say bye-bye X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ok all, this is my last post until 1995. oi, that sounds so weird. i never even thought about 1995. ugh. anyway, tomorrow i go to cincy, stay there for 5 days, enough time for a rave, thanksgiving, my sister's wedding (which i'm a bridesmaid in), the first night of hanukkah, then off i go, to that wonderful country on the mediterranean. Spain. :) oi. so this is my goodbye. i hope everyone has a great holiday and new year's. please be careful in all that you do. rave hard, be safe. don't forget about AtTrAcTiOn, the net.raver gathering that amy and i are throwing at Ohio University on january 13-16. it will be a blast and i know i will be dying to see everyone after more than a month of no net access. so, ok, i'm done. bye-bye. *huGs* and *kisSes* to all. to the indy crews, you had all better be at attraction, or i will not give you your gifts from spain. :P i love you. -becca Becca Maslow *AtTrAcTiOn* rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Jan. 13,14,15,16 little elf :) see ya'll there! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 22:29:01 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA08158; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:28:26 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA29215; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:22:16 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:22:16 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jjhelton@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: doc To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Acidic Pyramyd review X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO for the record... ...i'm glad to hear that a chicago party went over well. from what i'm told, this is a rare occurence as of late. KEEP GROOVIN' DOC From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 22:48:45 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA08845; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:48:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA04010; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:43:23 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:43:23 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: evolve@iglou.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Tim Ramsey To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Acidic Pyramyd review X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Craig L. Stodolenak wrote: > > Side-note... those dog-tag VIP/crew/DJ passes were a _very_ cool idea! The > smart-bar ran out very early in the night, which sucked, but they weren't > expecting to be able to put up a booth so maybe they didn't have all of > their stuff with them. > > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | A crew from Kentucky came up to the party, and on their way spent $100 of | > | their own money on bottled water... when they got to the party they stood | > | in the lobby and gave it out to everyone there. | > +----------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Well, We did not run out of product. We never have have except for sometimes where Utopia proves to be a lot more in demand than anticipated. No, what really happened is that all the ravers were pissed about paying $2 for a can of coke and $3 for a beer! Not that many people wanted the beer but $2 for a 25 cent can a coke is beyond capitalism and well into highway robbery by greed asshole owners. So because the building owners were not ripping enough people off they told us that if we didn't shut down they were going to close the party down. Then later after we had shut down and I went back to get a drink of water near my set up the owner got in my face and tried to throw me out because I had stopped selling which I did a couple hours before so he made me take my stuff to my van right then and caused me to miss the opening of hardfloor, bastard!!!!!!!!! peace tim ImSmartRU/Evolution From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 22:55:25 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA08989; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:55:07 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA05221; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:48:28 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:48:28 -0600 Message-Id: <199411212242.WAA00320@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: FUK 12.10.94 Detroit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO FUK 10.12.94 - Detroit Richie Hawtin Dan Bell Terry Mullan (more info when it's available :-) -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 23:02:01 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA09163; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:01:36 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA06517; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:54:47 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:54:47 -0600 Message-Id: <9411212253.AA23893@mik.uky.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: cosmic@mik.uky.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jim Owens To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: vinyl help & more X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO matthew said : { - Why not just get one done, or call Ron at National Sound up and ask him if it would be worth your time. If not just go for it, unless your strapped for cash! } hehehe Is there such a thing as a dj not strapped for cash? Anyway thanks for the help....I plan to do it!... ..but a couple more q's 1) How much time is there available on a 12"?, 10"? 2) What format should I give them my stuph in? (DAT? (no gots), 1/4" 2-track (could get done), or others) 3) Would I get a 45 or a 33? Do I have a choice? NOW FOR THE MORE While on the subject of vinyl, I am curious how other dj's care for their vinyl. I use discwasher once in a while, but that shit isnt cheap and I know not worth it. Does anyone have any knowledge of using rubbing alcohol to clean those fingerprints off one's precious vinyl? I have known ppl who use it to clean their records, but I have also heard it is bad for the vinyl. I dont want to try it without some input. Anyone? Also if anyone has a tried and true record cleaning homebrew I would love to know. Ideas??? Thanks and happy spinning! *~cosmic~~~ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 23:02:10 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA09174; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:01:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA06993; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:57:32 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 16:57:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199411212252.WAA00803@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Ripe/Vibe Alive x2 on the 26th? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Universal Love and Love Revolution are both being thrown by Ripe & Vibe Alive... on the same night. Does this seem strange to anyone else besides me? -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 23:14:07 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA09453; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:13:38 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA09893; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:10:19 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:10:19 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: evolve@iglou.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Tim Ramsey To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Ripe/Vibe Alive x2 on the 26th? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Craig L. Stodolenak wrote: > Universal Love and Love Revolution are both being thrown by Ripe & Vibe > Alive... on the same night. Does this seem strange to anyone else besides > me? > > -- > Craig L. Stodolenak > archon@acid.com > > > Ripe is doing Universal Love with onionz and the toronto jungle guys. I talked to roger at Acidic pyramid and I am work at Universal love. I think that the other party was scheduled earlier and then replaced by Universal love, but I may be wrong. Ido know that universal love is happening with the dj's listed more later when I find out the final details peace tim From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 23:14:12 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA09455; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:13:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA09700; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:09:38 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:09:38 -0600 Message-Id: <199411212308.AA176669326@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Hip-House X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Does anyone know the address for the dj store Hip house in chicago? Any other worth while places. I'm mainly looking for Imports (i.e. German, Dutch, Belgium) What can I say I'm European. Peace Dj Fantasia From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 23:44:22 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA10305; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:44:01 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA15759; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:40:59 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:40:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199411212335.XAA02817@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: WE THE PEOPLE 11.26.94 Louisville X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO do-si-do productions presents W E T H E P E O P L E . . . back from his abduction from the mothership JON BLATT return of the man from st. louis JEREMY REESE bringing back a vibe tribe founding father MERLIN space camp instructor and groovey navigator FLIP C. better days records BEN JONES fresh off the streets of lexington JOSH FOLEY live guest tba smartbar by COTTONMOUTH lasers, lights and sound by MAXXIMUM world conspiracy by J SQUARED bust free event! video games! glo-sticks! free water! !candy + toys !clean space !restrooms map point: better days records (502) 456 2394 tickets available day of event 502.283.9191 do-si-do (local) 606.281.4193 lexington 615.780.3730 nashville 312.730.8474 chicago 314.495.1374 st. louis 513.698.9647 cincinnati the queen - 502-458-5160 $10 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 23:44:27 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA10310; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:44:10 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA15584; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:40:21 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:40:21 -0600 Message-Id: <199411212335.XAA02814@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: EVOLUTION - TEKNOSAURUS 12.03.94 Louisville X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO EVOLUTION - TEKNOSAURUS Louisville, Kentucky December 3rd, 1994 main room: 10:00 - 11:40 Mike Hukaby 11:40 - 1:20 Dieselboy 1:20 - 3:00 Lenny Dee 3:00 - 4:40 Scott Henry 4:40 - 6:20 Terry Mullan 6:20 - 8:00 Mark Farina info: louisville 502-569-1969 lexington 606-281-4193 nashville 615-780-3730 indianapolis 317-899-8100 cincinatti 513-468-9647 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 23:45:28 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA10341; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:45:11 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA15878; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:41:33 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:41:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199411212335.XAA02820@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: BLESSINGS 11.23.94 Chicago X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO incredibeets & mushgroove present B L E S S I N G S wednesday, november 23rd * Felix Da Housecat global cuts - reload - radical fear * ESP (Woody McBride) magnetic north - labworks - drop bass * Efex * Mystic Bill the assailant hps * Terry Mullan * JethroX house wonderworker drop bass * Madd-Groove * Frankie Vega acid love core mushgroove * Hector Lopez @?#*~! infonet 312.509.6869 312.509.6888 312.202.5597 708.581.3200 x287 414.877.3998 608.283.3357 314.994.1114 612.649.4902 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 23:45:42 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA10366; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:45:29 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA16144; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:42:22 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:42:22 -0600 Message-Id: <199411212335.XAA02828@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: CREATION 12.10.94 Chicago X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO C R E A T I O N "the greatest is love" saturday december 10, 1994 MYSTIC BILL ERIQUE HECTOR LOPEZ OSCAR OB1 making her appearance 3 X BOO in the zone room DR GROO BRAINSTORM incredibeets citric acid WILDCHILD chicago jungalist KING SWIFT JAZZ WHEELER hip hop guru life produkt chicago if you woule like passes to promote your event call & leave message - vendors welcome film loops by OPTIQUE VIDTEK lighting by PHYSIC VISUALS info - 312.604.1857 twenty four seven From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 23:46:18 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA10388; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:46:07 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA16446; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:43:19 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:43:19 -0600 Message-Id: <199411212335.XAA02836@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: SPUTNIK V 12.31.94 Atlanta X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO satellite productions presents S P U T N I K V new years eve 1995 lakewood exhibition center atlanta, georgia 404.908.7308 212.465.3299 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 21 23:49:41 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA10457; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:49:33 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA16687; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:44:15 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 17:44:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199411212335.XAA02839@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ASPHYXIA 11.26.94 New York X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ASPHYXIA your hardcore hosts: lenny dee rob gee frankie bones narotic nigel richards deadly buda tense scott forbush sensei ayoki iceman stroboscopic gonzo live pa's by: temper tantrum desciples of annihilation rob gee & narotic metatron sinister (1st DJ appearance) turbine injected base thundering super sound and lighting by: pegasus productions the Hardcore Power Force brings you the hardest fuckin' Rave ever thrown. we will take the underground rave scene to the highest level the hardest dj lineup ever. don't miss this event, satisfaction guaranteed. bring your ravegear. come prepared to go fuckin' berserk! call your local ticket outlet for bus and travel info! directions to areana will be available through the 24hr hardcore hotline day of event 1.800.EROCDRAH tickets $16 in advance $20 at the door -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 00:21:06 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA11376; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 19:20:55 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA23082; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:16:58 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 18:16:58 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: wally@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Wallace Winfrey To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Lunar Loveland review (long) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO OK, Here's my take: Best party I've been to in St. Louis in a loooong time! We finally left Columbia around 11:00pm Friday night, which put us in St. Louis around 1:00 am. No problems finding the space, and parking was relatively close. I walk in to find Pixel hanging at the door, which was an encouraging sight. He tells me Matt Hawtin is spinning the chillout room, which gets me all excited. I mean, Robert Armani and Jon Williams in the main room, and Matt Hawtin spinning ambient. Awesome. I find everyone I know from Columbia, and lots of familiar faces from St. Louis and elsewhere (shouts out to Leigh, Kris, John, Nile, Sho!). Everyone was in good spirits and smiling, so I knew things were going to be cool. The space was really good. The chill room was a little small, and didn't always drown out the beats from the main room, but that was ok. The dj booth was up above the dancefloor, which was a little weird but cool. We got there during Astroboy's set. Usually I like Astroboy, but he wasn't at his best that night, IMHO, and I really didn't like "Acid Folk", his new tune apparently. It was like this irish jig and was sort of cheezy, no offense to Astroboy, but it wasn't all that great. The crowd didn't really seem to get into it either. Robert Armani came next. I'd never seen him before, but he totally defied my expectations of what he would look like. He looked like the smoothest ladies' man you've ever seen, nice slacks, jacket with his names done in glitter on the back, baseball cap that says Robert Armani across it. If I hadn't heard his records I would've thought he was going to come out with some smooth house numbers, you know, charm all the ladies, but instead he plays the HARDEST FUCKING TECHNO I've ever heard live. I could only take about 15 minutes of it before it was too much. Incredible. Got to hear an awesome mix of the original Circus Bells into the Hardfloor remix which totally sent me flying. I drifted into the chillout room to listen to Matt Hawtin spin. I'd never heard him before, but he's an awesome ambient dj. I never heard a fucked up mix when I was listening to him. He was really nice and approachable too. He had this really nice segue and I'm thinking "wait, I've heard this before". I trainspot the record and it says "test pressing", then it occurs to me that it's the new Reagen 2 ep on Reflective which I just bought. Grinning, I say to him, "Hey this Reagen 2 is an awesome disc", he's mixing but seems pleasantly surprised that I know the record by ear. He smiles and whispers a quick thanks, then segues into Global Communications. Weird, I think, I just segued these two tracks together in Iowa last week. Hmmmm.... About this time my friends from Manchester come in and it seems Lewis has had too much Arts & Entertainment. I spend the next few hours talking him down, which isn't so bad but I pretty much missed Jon Williams set. Bummer, but oh well. We make it out to hear Mindrive, who mixes in the new Transglobal Underground "Lookee Here" flawlessly. I think he had two copies of it, mixing from one to the other, it sounded really cool and he left the track in long enough for me to get off on the awesome part after the break. My friends were all smiling at me because I spin this track all the time and Mindrive mixed it sooo much better than I usually do. All in all, an awesome time. It quite simply WENT OFF. Big kudos to my roommate Robi and Malinda for the cool crash space and the cheese pizzas when we got back. A good time was had and for once, there was enough herbal goodness to keep my head aloft the entire time. Praise Jah! wally wallace winfrey ------->transcendental express<------- wally@hyperreal.com ambience every saturday morning from c512571@showme.missouri.edu 11am - 1 pm on KCOU 88.1 Columbia, MO "we're not dropping out...we're infiltrating and taking over" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 01:23:18 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA12691; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 20:22:57 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA02030; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 19:18:10 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 19:18:10 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: +Blessings+ (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO here's another message i've been asked to forward to y'all... gb :> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 19:08:25 -0600 (CST) From: alvarez bob To: Gretchen Subject: +Blessings+ Please forward the following: Path: vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!usenet From: MushGroove Newsgroups: alt.rave Subject: + BLESSINGS + Chicago, IL. Thanksgiving Eve Date: 15 Nov 1994 02:42:37 GMT Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana Lines: 75 Message-ID: <3a976t$ckd@vixen.cso.uiuc.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: isr-m28-26.urh.uiuc.edu 23rd November Wednesday Thanksgiving Eve in Chicago, IL. MushGroove along with Incredibeets present +++++++ ++ +++++++ +++++++ +++++++ ++ ++ ++ +++++++ +++++++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++++ ++ ++ ++ ++++++++ ++ +++++++ +++++++ +++++++ ++ ++ ++ + ++ +++ +++++++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++++++++ +++++++ +++++++ +++++++ +++++++ ++ ++ ++ +++++++ +++++++ * A Thanksgiving Eve Gathering * Featuring DJ's FELIX da HOUSECAT - First Chicago Appearance (Radical Fear, Global Cuts, Reload Records) - other DJ's - ESP Woody McBride - Minneapolis ( U.C., Drop Bass, LabWorks, Germany ) Jethrox - Milwaukee ( Drop Bass Network ) MaddGroove - Chicago Terry Mullan - Minneapolis ( Acid Love Core ) ( House Wonderworker ) Mystic Bill - Chicago EFEX - Chicago ( Physics, H.P.S. ) ( The Assailant ) - plus - Frankie Vega - Chicago Hector Lopez - Chicago (MushGroove) ...and more T.B.A. I N F O R M A T I O N O N T H I S $5.00 E V E N T CHICAGO: ST. LOUIS 312.509.6869 314.994.1114 509.6888 509.5034 IOWA 319.277.4610 SUBURBS: 708.581.3200. EX.287 E-MAIL an138501@anon.penet.fi MILWAUKEE 414.777.3998 MADISON 608.283.3357 MINNEAPOLIS 612.649.4902 mushgroove-incredibeets -end of text- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 01:53:35 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA13367; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 20:53:11 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA06713; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 19:50:00 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 19:50:00 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: graflin@iac.net Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Anthony Cosco To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: FUK 12.10.94 Detroit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Craig L. Stodolenak wrote: > FUK > 10.12.94 - Detroit umm. dont mean to be anal but i think that should be 12.10.94:) > > Richie Hawtin > Dan Bell > Terry Mullan > > (more info when it's available :-) > > -- > Craig L. Stodolenak > archon@acid.com > > > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 02:02:44 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA13591; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 21:02:26 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA08326; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 19:59:23 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 19:59:23 -0600 Message-Id: <199411220158.TAA16884@chihuacle.gac.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: swaterbu@gac.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: swaterbu@gac.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: "post"---content(review) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >mouse- Mpls net-raver and proud of it!!!! >p.s. flame away..... hey mouse... yer dumb ;} "hey guido...where did you go this weekend?" if you find yourself asking this question now...or anytime in the near future you're in luck cause i'm gonna tell ya ;} .. i went to MAY FLOWER on sat with jon and hannah (and dave too!...kinda) very nice i say coulda been cheap had i known that the tix were $10 before 9 but being the goof i am... i payed yer typical $13 (see any "cost of raves" post) traxx made it worth my while!! he ripped good dancy stuph 8} (including everyone's fav piano thing track... excuse my musical ignorance ;} we missed most everybody getting there at 2 and all but e-tones is another individual not to be forgotten the site was GOOD VERY large warehouse (i'm talkin airplane hanger type dimentions here) split in half by stacks of wooden pallets (still VERY large) lights were trippy tons o lasers with lotsa smoke (i like smoke 8} and a neat strobe type deal behind the pallet division creating an other worldly experience with the light flashing through the wood and smoke a couple problems with the sound tho ;P but they fixed it ok :} also it ended kinda early (6:15) trucks started coming to deliver stuff to the warehouse 8} final bad note the door guys were kinda brutal...oh well all and all seems like vandal can do something good least they got their space secured minneapolis...'taint all that bad either 8} <<^GUIDO^^>>>>> swaterbu@gac.edu...............8} From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 02:19:00 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA13912; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 21:18:36 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA10864; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 20:15:17 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 20:15:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199411220214.UAA16914@chihuacle.gac.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: swaterbu@gac.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: swaterbu@gac.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: "post"---content(vibe blathering) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO gretchen e blount said this stuff... >there was a very strange vibe there, probably seen only through the eyes >of a chicagoan...this was the first party ive been to in st. louis that >when i looked around, about half the people there weren't from >chi, there is usually a big enough number that we can contribute a bit of >our >own chi vibe with us, be that good or bad, all i'm saying is that it is >FAMILIAR... >which left the whooping 6 of us in a state of confusion in this >uncharted territory...(or at least 3 of >us)...i'm not saying that we don't have friends in st. louis, its just >well...everything seemed very...distant? strangely surreal? >gretchen e blount ya know... it's funny you mention this "surreal vibe" thing 'cause i've experienced this recently myself my trip to iowa although very fun left me feeling kinda funny and rather drained (although the large amount of driving and lack of sleep may account for some of this) i don't know about the majority of y'all but it's sometimes hard to leave "my scene" ;} this weekend brought it all back seeing familiar faces hearing familiar djs driving around familar cities there's something to this once you've been in a scene for a while it may seem kinda stale and you will invariably crave some kinda change but it's always nice to come home again 8} although MAY FLOWER was nothing REAL special it really made me feel alive sp? and proud to be a "raver" (open to interpritation) maybe it was traxx's set... >>>long live the home scene.... treat it real nice and never let it die<<< <<^GUIDO^^>>>>> swaterbu@gac.edu.............8} ps DEE DAY although in "strange territory" had a rad feel to it could be event/scene combo? From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 02:28:23 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA14043; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 21:27:59 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA12144; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 20:23:41 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 20:23:41 -0600 Message-Id: <9411220242.AA26216@blackhawks.d2.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: fixer@d2.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: fixer@d2.com (Robert Smith) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: last friday in milwaukee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Reprinted without permission from: Paul Allen } }Aheh, your hangin yerself with yor own noose, there, my freind- Socrates }did , in fact die for being a rebel, but he , in fact, choose to do so. He } No, that was exactly my point. He didn't whine. He did what he felt was right, and accepted the state's punishment for his disobedience. -- /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ \o o o o o | o o o o o | o o o o o | o o o o o/ / | | | \ \ R. Y. Smith, Jr.| | | Digital Domain / / tel: 310/314.2920| | | 300 Rose Ave \ \ fax: 310/314.2866| | | Venice, CA 90291 / / fixer@d2.com | | | 310/314.2800 \ \ | | | / /o o o o o | o o o o o | o o o o o | o o o o o\ \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 03:38:39 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA15441; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 22:38:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA22749; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 21:31:25 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 21:31:25 -0600 Message-Id: <199411220330.TAA26633@taz.hyperreal.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: abennett@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Bennett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Uni. Love / Pilgrimmage X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey guys... Anyone remember Hossam? And Amy Walczak? (piglet) Well, Hossam caught me on vrave, and asked that I announce he'll be in Chicago this weekend for Universal Love. So I guess if you see him, welcome him back to the midwest. Pilgrimmage update... (11/23 Wed Night Cincy) Called the info line this evening. It's at 411 Pete Rose Way in some old club down by the river. Lineup still holds (Carter, Bell, Farina, Bob-A-Dob). Starts at 10pm, ends at 5am. 18+, 21+ for 'full bar'. I guess it's 18+ sothey don't have to deal with curfew violators and wha tnot. That's wack, but oh well. Anyone coming down?? Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 03:54:07 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA15659; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 22:54:00 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA24489; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 21:45:16 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 21:45:16 -0600 Message-Id: <9411220403.AA10956@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jong@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jon Gilkison To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: You're Momma X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Umm sorry to waste a few K of space here ... Mickey mail me, lost yer address - need the info to get flyers done :P To make this post have meaning... Well forget it, meaning is subjective anyhow. Chow earache From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 04:06:29 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA15812; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 23:06:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA26867; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 22:03:10 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 22:03:10 -0600 Message-Id: <941121222246_4582168@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Milk and E X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO A lot of people say that one should not drink any lactose while on E. According to my experience, milk (chocolate milk for me) has done only one thing : make the roll last longer and stronger. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 04:56:05 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA16551; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 23:55:58 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA02054; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 22:51:44 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 22:51:44 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: calabre@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "A. Calabrese" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Looking for a party!! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Could anyone give assistance to a lad who is looking to groooooove on Thanksgiving weekend. Are there any parties on the 25th or 26th of November? If you can help me, then just post your reply or e-mail me. Thanks a lot PLUR Tony Calabrese crisko@vrave calabre@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 05:02:28 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA16719; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 00:02:12 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA03034; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 23:00:03 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 23:00:03 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: c639777@showme.missouri.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: c639777@showme.missouri.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: prozac X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Fri, 11 Nov 1994, Jenifer A Barnett wrote: > > > > On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, Dweezle Christ wrote: > > > prozac is a fairly strong anti depresant(speed) It is not recommended > > that u use it for this purpose (it's not that great) but what it is bood > > for is as an additve to E. When E'in u should 20 mgs about three hours > > in. Wht it will do is re introduce the saratonin to your brain that > > normally is cut off because of the E. This has no impact on the trip, > > but what it helps is coming down( eliminates the stupids) and in the long > > run, will help in NOT making u senile. > > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > _ mudd@um.cc.umich.edu > > < > > > \___/ > > ^+ +^ > > ' \_/ ' "God will bless you if you belive" > > ] / \ [ -Eddie 'Flashin' Fowlkes > > \|/ > > (|) > > + + > > __________________________________________________________________________ > > > > On Thu, 10 Nov 1994, Ellen Steuer wrote: > > > > > > > > i am just womdering what you all think about it. good? bad? addictive? > > > government plot? let me know. thanks. > > > > > > l8r > > > > > > ellen > > > > > > YO (YES I KNOW I AM SHOUTING) DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS POST UNLESS YOU WANT > TO SCREW YOUR BRAIN (YA KNOW POSSSIBLY DIE!!!!) WHILE IT IS UNLIKELY > THAT YOU WILL SUFFER ANY DAMAGE. pROSAC IS A MAOI DRUG AND CAN HAVE VERY > SERIOUS INTERACTIONS WITH E, SPEED, PHENYLALANINE AND A HOST OF OTHER > CHEMICALS IN FACT IF YOU ARE ON PROSAC YOU SHOULDN'T EVEN DRINK DIET > SODA. PLEASE KNOW THE BIOCHEMICAL ACTIONS OF ANY SUBSTANCE YOU USE ALONG > WITH THE INTERACTIONS. PEACE. TIM > > here is a personal experience - from someone who is watching me do this... "I took prozac for 3~years~ because my son flipped out - it worked for a while, but what happens is that your body builds up resistance very fast, so I was soon up to three doses a day, and having awful stomach aches. so I was taken off of it...the problem with drugs like prozac is that it is simply over proscribed, but is useful for temeporary pursoses....so, anyway, that is is it frojma a former user - and no, it is not addicting at all." Lisa Again, this is not my story. But I thought you might find it interesting. Glaston Ford University of Missouri c639777@showme.missouri.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 05:48:25 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA17453; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 00:48:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA07091; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 23:43:07 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 23:43:07 -0600 Message-Id: <199411220538.XAA06751@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: beatpunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Dairy (was Re: Re[2]: ketamine and other stuff) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >Not to dispute you, but these symptoms sound very close to what those of >us who are lactose intolerant (which sucks because I really do like milk) >experience after overdoing it on milk and cheese. Have you ever had >problems with milk when clean? The natural corollary being: Does Lact-Aid (tm) have any beneficial to people who drink (milk) first and roll later? (ie, can you have a glass of milk, realize you were going to X that night, take some lact-aid, and make everything ok?) ---------------------------beatpunk@csd.uwm.edu------------------------------ "And the further I get from the things that I care about The less I care about how much further away I get" -Robert Smith From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 06:30:06 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA17923; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 01:29:50 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA11291; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 00:24:04 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 00:24:04 -0600 Message-Id: <941121232312_4627905@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Rave prices X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I am from Paris France. The raves there are different in many ways. The minimun price I have seen is 150 Francs which is $30. The highest was 250 Francs ($50). To get in a night club you pay : $20 + a free drink E (MDEA) cost $40. (E there is a LOT more intense and energetic than the MDMA form here in the US) Acid : none there other drugs used is called "shit" The most expensive club was "La Peniche" in Paris. It was totally underground. You paid $100 to get in. You leave on a boat at 10 pm and come back at 8 am". Two X ("trefle") given with your paid admission. Another club which I cannot revele the name (it is still open and booming really hard , gives you an X drink with your paid admission if you know what to ask for (club is in Belgium). Peace and Out. French E From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 09:10:41 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA19554; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 04:10:35 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA17096; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:08:39 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:08:39 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: massive@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Lucas Jay Zimmer To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Hip-House X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 21 Nov 1994 yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu wrote: > Does anyone know the address for the dj store Hip house in chicago? Any other > worth while places. I'm mainly looking for Imports (i.e. German, Dutch, > Belgium) What can I say I'm European. > > Peace > > Dj Fantasia > hip house's phone #::: 312.854.7000 matt mot massive From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 09:16:42 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA19623; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 04:16:35 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA17387; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:14:41 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:14:41 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Milk and E X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 21 Nov 1994 MaxximumSL@aol.com wrote: > A lot of people say that one should not > drink any lactose while on E. According to my > experience, milk (chocolate milk for me) has done > only one thing : make the roll last longer and stronger. > > i really dont see how moo-juice could have any effect on the intensity of your e. heroin, yes, milk, no. the only reasoning i could come up with for you is that maybe you drank really really really chocolate-y milk and the caffine did something...but that is a big reach... or maybe you love chocolate milk so much that your rolling turned simple milk drinking into an orgasmic experience:> or maybe im just on the frayed edge of sanity now because its 3am and i still have yet to really sleep...its been almost 2 weeks...insomnia sucks... gretchen e blount From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 09:59:58 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA19979; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 04:59:52 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA18673; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:57:23 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 03:57:23 -0600 Message-Id: <199411220956.DAA14758@batch1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: HJCURT00@UKCC.UKY.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rique Curtis To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Rave the HoliDay X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Shameless plug: IF AT ALL POSSIBLE.....G O T O P I L G R I M A G E !!!!!! (Cincinnati, 11/23) (it will make the T-giving Day lazing around all the more satisfying, to say the least). !fujiyama mo' From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 14:19:33 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id JAA22667; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:19:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA00665; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 08:17:51 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 08:17:51 -0600 Message-Id: <22NOV94.10026956.0035.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MKAMMERE@NMU.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Kammerer, Mark J" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Rave prices X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >I am from Paris France. The raves there are different >in many ways. > The Paris scene sounds totally cool. Can you tell us more about this drug called "shit" ;^). Sounds funny. Do you know much about the scene in Amsterdam? I'm thinking about doing a European tour and really appreciate the excellent first hand info. Mark Josef From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 15:27:27 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA24445; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:27:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA11370; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:23:17 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:23:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199411221518.PAA05924@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: FUK 12.10.94 Detroit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Craig L. Stodolenak wrote: > >> FUK >> 10.12.94 - Detroit >umm. dont mean to be anal but i think that should be 12.10.94:) [blushes] Whoops. You're right. :-) -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 15:38:11 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA24633; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:37:54 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA13861; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:35:12 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:35:12 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jwelch@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MrJP To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Milk and E X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Tue, 22 Nov 1994, blount gretchen e wrote: > > > On Mon, 21 Nov 1994 MaxximumSL@aol.com wrote: > > > A lot of people say that one should not > > drink any lactose while on E. According to my > > experience, milk (chocolate milk for me) has done > > only one thing : make the roll last longer and stronger. > > > > > i really dont see how moo-juice could have any effect on the intensity of > your e. heroin, yes, milk, no. > the only reasoning i could come up with for you is that maybe you drank > really really really chocolate-y milk and the caffine did something...but > that is a big reach... > or maybe you love chocolate milk so much that your rolling turned simple > milk drinking into an orgasmic experience:> > or maybe im just on the frayed edge of sanity now because its 3am and i > still have yet to really sleep...its been almost 2 weeks...insomnia sucks... > gretchen e blount > What I've heard is that you shouldn't drink milk while doing MDA.......with MDA it has an toxic effect but with MDMA you can have milk products.........As far as chocolate..........I've heard the same thing.....I have a friend that insists on eating chocolate before E-ing......I've also heard that theropists that use MDMA for theropy give there patiants chocolate before and during the session.......I think it's because chocolate releases some of same chemicals that E does so that's why it has this effect.......This is just what I've heard I'll consult some books and get back to you all about what I find......... _____________________________________________________________________________ | "Some people, even intelligent people, say | that violence can be beautiful. I can't MrJP | understand that, because beautiful is some | moments, and for me those moments are | never violent." - Andy Warhol ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 15:51:03 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA24819; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:50:55 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA16189; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:47:03 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:47:03 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jwelch@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MrJP To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Acid Jazz X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Does anyone have any good acid jazz mix tapes........I really need an acid Jazz Mix tape......... MrJP _____________________________________________________________________________ | "Some people, even intelligent people, say | that violence can be beautiful. I can't MrJP | understand that, because beautiful is some | moments, and for me those moments are | never violent." - Andy Warhol ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 16:10:33 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA25225; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 11:10:20 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA19464; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:04:57 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:04:57 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: stu@infochi.infochi.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stu Shea To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Acidic Pyramyd review X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Craig L. Stodolenak wrote: > Acidic Pyramyd 11.19.94 Chicago > > parties. The space was very cool, the people were very cool, and the music > was very _very_ cool. And to all those people who are complaining about > the price... bite me. I thought it was worth it. Aw, come on, Craig! Those of us in Chicago who have been paying $10, $12, $15 for parties that never get off the ground, get busted quickly, or aren't all that are advertised aren't ready to admit that our paranoia isn't justified. I've heard "bust-free environment" often enough to watch my wallet very carefully. I'm glad Acidic Pyramid was fun, but its success in itself doesn't invalidate all the shitty experiences around here in the last year. > There were people that I knew who went that bitched about the price (and > thought about not even going), but then thought nothing about dropping > $20-$50 on drugs for the night. Guess we know where their priorities are? Well, maybe so...but there are plenty of us who think BOTH of those things are pretty f**cked. > at 9:30, though. Pfft. Don't know what happened with Alien Love... I > thought _that_ was to be the after-hours. Did it get busted? Alien Love never happened, unfortunately. My understanding is that LX Patterson ripped up the dance floor at Metro Saturday night. Stu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 21:18:28 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA02292; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:18:09 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA22756; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:13:28 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:13:28 -0600 Message-Id: <199411221027.FAA07630@eeyore.INS.CWRU.Edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: fh019@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: fh019@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Schwartz) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fwd: internetMCI News Release (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO NO RAVE MATERIAL *WARNING* I don't know about c'all nut that whole MCInternet thingy sounds scary. I have a bad vibe about it all. Just like when the government tries to control the "internet"... Maybe it's the aliens in cuhoots (sp?) with MCI, no the aliens ARE MCI. :) I'm going to far on the latter... What do you all think? xoxoxoxooxox sandra (who is not an alien) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 21:20:35 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA02335; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:20:12 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA23200; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:15:17 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:15:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199411221735.AA003815711@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: yoh212@lulu.acns.nwu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: European raves X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO These are the places worth while going to when your in Europe. Netherlands (Holland): Rotterdam Best Gabber Parties Amsterdam Den Haag Utrecht Germany: Berlin Home of Loveparade, Mayday olympia Frankfurt Munich New years eve party Feat. Lowspirit (Westbam, Marusha, Genloc, Hardseqencer and any more) I'll be there! Belguim: Brussels Cherry moon club Home of Yves de Rueter Club X Switzerland: Zurich Streetparade (parade of 40'000 ravers from all over Europe through zurich on trucks loaded with speackers and top Dj's spining. Similar to loveparade) Energy (Similar to Mayday. over 40 of the best Dj's and performers. 35'000+ ravers. After steetparade.) If you can give me dates I can find out more detailed info. I hope this helps peace Dj Fantasia From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 21:23:21 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA02372; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:22:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA24193; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:19:14 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:19:14 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sascha@noc.ns.itd.umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sascha Linn To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Ann Arbor 2nite X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Oops, I forgot to mention that this was a free event! :) :) On Tue, 22 Nov 1994, Sascha Linn wrote: > I know this may be sorta late but for any Ann Arborites out there... > > Tonite Tuesday, 11/22/94 from 9-12:30 is the last edition of 'Jazz at the > 1/2' for this school term. > > DJs Chuck Hampton and Tim Baker will be spinnin at the Halfway Inn in the > basement of East Quad. East Wuad is located between East University and > Church streets on Hill St. here in Ann Arbor. So, come on down if you > can. It should be a good time. > > L8r, > Sascha =) > > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 21:23:31 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA02386; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:23:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA23678; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:17:24 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:17:24 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sascha@noc.ns.itd.umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sascha Linn To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Ann Arbor 2nite X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I know this may be sorta late but for any Ann Arborites out there... Tonite Tuesday, 11/22/94 from 9-12:30 is the last edition of 'Jazz at the 1/2' for this school term. DJs Chuck Hampton and Tim Baker will be spinnin at the Halfway Inn in the basement of East Quad. East Wuad is located between East University and Church streets on Hill St. here in Ann Arbor. So, come on down if you can. It should be a good time. L8r, Sascha =) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 21:30:53 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA02534; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:30:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA26311; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:26:19 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:26:19 -0600 Message-Id: <199411222121.VAA23173@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fwd: internetMCI News Release (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >NO RAVE MATERIAL *WARNING* > >I don't know about c'all nut that whole MCInternet thingy sounds >scary. I have a bad vibe about it all. Just like when the >government tries to control the "internet"... >Maybe it's the aliens in cuhoots (sp?) with MCI, no the aliens >ARE MCI. :) I'm going to far on the latter... > >What do you all think? > > >xoxoxoxooxox >sandra >(who is not an alien) I _am_ an alien, and we had nothing to do with it. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 21:58:45 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA03123; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:58:33 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA24608; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:20:31 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 15:20:31 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: plastik@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Plus 8 Records To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Tape Trade Anyone? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, Anthony Cosco wrote: > > Okay, since i see other people initiating tape trades, i figger ill do > tha same.... > Heres what I got: > > Doc Martin(LA) - Earthgrooves > DJ Dutch(SF) > DJ Dutch(SF) vol 2 > Dub Tribe - Live at Fever > Jeno(SF) - House Reality > Sasha(Orlando/NY) > Spun(SF) > Richie Hawtin - freeze the children > Hyperactive - acid revival > Hyperactive - acid revival 2 > Terry Mullan - New School Fusion > DJ Sergio(Italy) > DJ Speed Demon > Hyperactive - Volume 3 > Hyperactive - Volume 6 Acid Indigestion > Mystic Bill - Live at Warehouse > Sven Vath - An Accident in Paradise > > > Okay, thats about it. > > Peace. > > Anthony Cosco > graflin@iac.net > > It would be nice if people really wanted a mix tape from me, that they would wait until i released one... I don't really like mix tapes that have been taped at a club or party (usually behind the dj's back) ... i think that the people who are there at that moment are the ones who should be able to hear that particular mix... those who are not there should not... I'm going to make a mix tape especially for the car rides in my studio in the coming months, so i'll let everyone know when its available..but don't waste your money or time on things like FREEZ THE CHILDREN.... i nearly got frost bite in my hands trying to mix at the damn party! R.Hawtin From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 22:15:29 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA03540; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:14:46 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA08855; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:10:23 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:10:23 -0600 Message-Id: <941122165339_5128396@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: AnodeBAM@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: AnodeBAM@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Uhaul to Fathom X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO blount gretchen e wrote: i do believe a uhaul party truck is definately a must for january 14...Fathom...reese, mystic bill, astroboy, dieselboy, chip b , david hollands...etc... ----- Yeah, I think nitro is planning a stop/drop&roll Uhaul truck from St Louis to come here to Nashville for Fathom in Jan. See you at Evolution (I may be doing the visuals)... chris anode From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 23:23:49 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA05905; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:23:35 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA23958; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:20:06 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:20:06 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: itheo@edsi.appleton.wi.us Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: itheo@edsi.appleton.wi.us (Eric Thiel) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ST. Louie.. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO What is there to do there?!? I am going down to visit my sis in boot camp(1.5 hours sw of St louis) and plan on going there on sat or sun. I was looking for any record stores that would have hard to find stuff(Especially Pet Shop Boys(Shut up...I like them ;-) )) on disc...If anyone has ideas, locations, and/or store hours, could you write me? I want to hit a few good music stores while I am there. Thanx... ...-Itheo-... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 23:49:29 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA06528; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:49:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA27993; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:41:40 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:41:40 -0600 Message-Id: <9411222339.AA02943@dayton.wright.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ad425@DAYTON.WRIGHT.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jim Waiter To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Fwd: internetMCI News Release (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > >NO RAVE MATERIAL *WARNING* > >I don't know about c'all nut that whole > MCInternet thingy sounds >scary. I have a bad vibe about it all. Just like > when the >government tries to control the "internet"... >Maybe it's the > aliens in cuhoots (sp?) with MCI, no the aliens >ARE MCI. :) I'm going to > far on the latter... > >What do you all think? > > >xoxoxoxooxox > >sandra > >(who is not an alien) > > I _am_ an alien, and we had nothing to do with it. > > > > -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com > Well I'm an alien as well. And we are definitely behind this. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 22 23:54:55 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA06622; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:54:43 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA25617; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:28:34 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 17:28:34 -0600 Message-Id: <199411222327.PAA28553@taz.hyperreal.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: abennett@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Bennett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Tape Trade Anyone? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Plus 8 Records said :: > > It would be nice if people really wanted a mix tape from me, that they would > wait until i released one... I don't really like mix tapes that have been > taped at a club or party (usually behind the dj's back) ... i think that the > people who are there at that moment are the ones who should be able to hear > that particular mix... those who are not there should not... I'm going to > make a mix tape especially for the car rides in my studio in the coming > months, so i'll let everyone know when its available..but don't waste your > money or time on things like FREEZ THE CHILDREN.... i nearly got frost > bite in my hands trying to mix at the damn party! The "Freeze" tape is indeed bad. It's barely listenable if you drop teh bass and crank the treble. Pure, utter, sh*t in quality. That guy from Virginia is still selling this tape. Get the word out. It bites. That was the last tape I buy from Mr. Fusion. Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com abennett@hyperreal.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 00:27:14 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA07431; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 19:27:05 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA05467; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:25:06 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:25:06 -0600 Message-Id: <199411230024.QAA29538@netcom18.netcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ericmc@netcom.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ericmc@netcom.com (Eric) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Meetwhile Broken? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I tried to post to modE@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (also to alpha1) and got an error 550 "User unknown". I'm coming up from Denver to Chicago for Thanksgiving and will be going to Universal Love. Anyone else going? Eric From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 00:43:52 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA07883; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 19:43:23 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA07970; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:39:57 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 18:39:57 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJSG6C9TRM8Y7G2A@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CAMMARAT@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: UNIVERSAL LOVE X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO well, kids and aliens and other individuals of discernable shape and size... I'm going to Universal Love I'm working the Delirium Table how's about we all meet there at 1 am to say HEY! and O MI GOD!! I haven't SEEN YOU.... sound good to you all? I hope so, besides, I have to log off tomorrow... I am getting OUT OF IOWA!!!! Tigger (has a date wednesday night) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 04:02:54 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA12255; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 23:02:39 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA03406; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 21:55:56 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 21:55:56 -0600 Message-Id: <199411230355.VAA09718@mora.gac.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: swaterbu@gac.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: swaterbu@gac.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: holiday X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO H A P P Y T H A N K S G I V I N G E V E R Y B O D Y ! ! loves....... GUIDO 8} From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 04:08:25 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA12385; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 23:07:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA04505; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 22:02:59 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 22:02:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199411230402.AA157613336@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: dps927@nwu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: dps927@nwu.edu (david siska) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Turntables and All Natural X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO yep, gotta agree, acidic pyramid was a well-put-together event, even though they had to cut off a stellar set by todd p. but, down to business... anthony cosco, the 1-800 number you posted for illinois audio is now defunct. if you or someone would post further information, i'd appreciate it. also, is anyone going to all natural in pittsburgh (my hometown :*) this friday? if things aren't too hopping on the floor, i will be lurking around the smart bar area at 1 am. hope to see some of you there! d8)dave From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 04:42:57 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA13267; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 23:42:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA07533; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 22:34:15 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 22:34:15 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: attn all you milwaukee folk X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey guys:) as you know thursday is thanxgiving. since i couldn't get a small party together i was hoping that some of you would like to get together tomorrow night for coffee or something new and creative like that:) i was thinking maybe 9:30 at gil's...i am not sure how late it is open on weekdays but i assume it will not close before 11. the reason i was thinking 9:30 is because my brother and his gf are coming in at six which means we will get back from the airport just in time for 90210 and then we have to go out for dinner with ma and step pa. so i think 9:30 is a good time. what do you all think? anyone interested in getting together? if not, i will probably drag my bro there anyway cuz i don't know of anything else going on tomorrow night. if any of you know of anything going on this weekend in the area please let me know. also, let me know if you plan on being at gil's so i won't be too late:) have a nice day! and if i don't get to see you this weekend have a happy turkey day. l8r ellen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 04:52:56 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA13524; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 23:52:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA08989; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 22:49:02 -0600 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 22:49:02 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Uhaul to Fathom X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Tue, 22 Nov 1994 AnodeBAM@aol.com wrote: > blount gretchen e wrote: > > i do believe a uhaul party truck is definately a must for january > 14...Fathom...reese, mystic bill, astroboy, dieselboy, chip b , david > hollands...etc... > > ----- > > Yeah, I think nitro is planning a stop/drop&roll Uhaul truck from St Louis to > come here to Nashville for Fathom in Jan. > > See you at Evolution (I may be doing the visuals)... > > chris anode > can anyone verify this for me? thanks... gb From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 07:22:56 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA16175; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 02:22:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA18580; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 01:21:05 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 01:21:05 -0600 Message-Id: <199411230720.BAA18546@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: believe@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: xlarge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: holiday X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > >H A P P Y T H A N K S G I V I N G E V E R Y B O D Y ! ! > > > > > loves....... > > GUIDO 8} thank you. :) hope everybody eats alot of turkey and mashed potatoes. or if your vegitarian, eat lots of falafel burgers. :) xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu what did you bring me daddy? well i brought you, death...... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 07:28:34 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA16225; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 02:28:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA18897; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 01:27:09 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 01:27:09 -0600 Message-Id: <199411230726.BAA18860@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: believe@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: xlarge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: attn all you milwaukee folk X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO in milwaukee there is a possible thanxgivin' get together this thursday. (probably at night). so, if anyone is interested, leave a message at 964.6349. this is not a definate, so iguess i'll post l8r. xlarge believe@csd.uwm.edu what did you bring me daddy? well i brought you, death...... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 09:03:38 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA17306; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 04:03:30 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA21448; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 02:58:52 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 02:58:52 -0600 Message-Id: <9411230858.AA26778@ring.MIT.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jcarow@MIT.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Casper To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Universal Love X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hi everyone... just lettin everyone know that i am coming home to chicago and will be going to universal love...ack..my first chicago event since destiny in may! so..if u see a white boy with green glowstix and a ny yankees cap brockin out to the jungle....that's me. i'll wear my ne-raves badge too.... i am lookin forward to seeing everyone...rhi, mike, hossam, amy/piglet, robert, abu, nate, adam, etc....peace n all dat -- : julian/casper - bbc '94 jcarow@mit.edu : : http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/jcarow/home.html : : big up all hardcore junglists, hold tight. : From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 16:03:46 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA23840; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 11:03:30 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA18171; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:57:36 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 09:57:36 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Forwarded mail... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Sandra sent this to me on another account and told me to froward it to the list. Enjoy... - stevenJ ___________________________________________________________________________ Forwarded message: > >From fh019@eeyore.INS.CWRU.Edu Sat Nov 19 09:13:06 1994 remote from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu > Received: from eeyore.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@eeyore.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.17]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id JAA06836 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 09:13:05 -0600 > Received: (fh019@localhost) by eeyore.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.8.1+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) > id KAA01779; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 10:13:03 -0500 (from fh019) > Message-Id: <199411191513.KAA01779@eeyore.INS.CWRU.Edu> > Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 10:13:03 -0500 > From: fh019@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Schwartz) > To: aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu > Subject: Ohio area partees > Reply-To: fh019@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Schwartz) > X-Status: > Sender: aragorn > > As a favor to some people who don't have accounts yet, I'm going > to try to post these events... > Thank-You > sandra xoxoxoxoxoxo > > > Sing Song Promotions Present a Monthly Party > held every last THURSDAY of the month called > * MAJIQ * starting DECEMBER 29th 1994 > > confirmed DJ's > - Terry Mullen (chicago) > - Capper (manchester, UK) > - Sista Spinsta (cleveland) > > added features: > fashion show & boutique > (Vagabond, columbus) > hair by David Armstrong > of Planet 10 (cleve) > > Body piercing appointments made by > David Anthony of Chain Link Addiction > (cleveland) > In house tatoos by J&L Tatoo > (ashtabula) > > Hosted by Miss Gay Cleveland > *Jennifer Phillips* > & club diva Sandy Maslanka > > Location: 1575 Merwin ave. (in the flats) > Addmiss: 21+ $5 18-21 $8 > > for mo info 216.397.1368 > *************************************************************** > *************************************************************** > > REALITY IS LIMITED > IMAGINATION IS BOUNDLESS.......... > > <<<*IMAGINE*>>> > one love one nation one groove > > CLEVELAND, OHIO 12.10.94 > > Audio Atmosphere: > > MYSTIC BILL- Chicago's house preservation > society > JAJO- St.Louis > SLEEPY C- eternal/psychoactive > TREVOR LAMONT- Delaware > ASTROBOY- St.Louis > 7-UP - eternal/attik > > more info soon...... > call ETERNAL 216.491.4527 > surprise sooper specail guest... > > ****************************************************************** > ****************************************************************** > > DEEP RECORDS and COUNTER CULTURE present > ***DEEP INSIDE*** > (cleveland) > Every Saturday (ruling danceweekly) > > DJ's: > Sleepy-C > Tots > Dan Curtin > Damn It > Spencer > > -----for mo info & directions > call DEEP RECORDS > 216.382.3101 > > Showcase underground dance music talent from > both US and abroad > > 620 Frankfurt > between West 6 and West 9 streets > look 4 the banner > Cleveland Ohio > > ******************************************************** > ***************************************************************** > ******************************************************** > > ETERNAL PEACE TRIBE > > %!%!%%!%%%!*********WELCOME*********!%%%!%%!%!% > 0.11.26.94.0 > > in Akron , Ohio info/location 216.971.9010 > > KEOKI (nyc) > JAMES CHRISTIAN (nyc) > SYNAPSE (eternal peace tribe/akron) > ODYSSEY (subb/eternal- toronto) > SLEEPY-C (psychoactive/eternal- cleveland) > ALGO-RYTHM (subb - toronto) > on the chill deck THADE'DAS > supported by Mike and Larry > > Surrond Sound** Atmospheric Lighting > ^by Clockwerk > Smart Bar by Get Smart > Film Loops by Subteranean Blacklight Studios > 2 rooms 2 chill > > Tickets: > DEEP RECORD @!^>#*@>#!)! > 216.382.3101 > ARSENIC and OLD LACE > @!^>$#$>(#%) > 216.434.9350 > World RECORDS 614.297.7900 > SLACKER 412.381.3911 > > This will be a no DONUT party..Location to be released just > a few days before the event..Due to limited capacity tickets > will be on sale NOV. 14,1994. There will be plenty of room > to crash for those who are traveling...Just bring your own > Blankety and PillOWSS, ETC.... > > > THANX > > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 18:55:25 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA28398; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:55:11 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA24544; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 12:50:59 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 12:50:59 -0600 Message-Id: <199411231845.SAA14154@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Blessings update X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Kurt Eckes (JethroX) will not be at Blessings tonight; he's flying to Austria tomorrow morning to spin at a Drop Bass party in Vienna this weekend. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 19:04:27 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA28585; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:04:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA27667; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:01:01 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:01:01 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Blessings update X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO drop base party in VIENNA? huh? On Wed, 23 Nov 1994, Craig L. Stodolenak wrote: > Kurt Eckes (JethroX) will not be at Blessings tonight; he's flying to > Austria tomorrow morning to spin at a Drop Bass party in Vienna this > weekend. > > -- > Craig L. Stodolenak > archon@acid.com > > > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 19:06:24 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA28616; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:06:02 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA27838; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:01:33 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:01:33 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJTIGA8MFM8Y7GDM@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CAMMARAT@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: temp unsub and other stuff X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO alright, all you people and aliens and stuff.... I hope all of you have a great Thanksgiving with whatever family you decide to claim as your own....I hope to see a HUGE number of you at UNIVERSAL LOVE on Saturday in Chicago....I'm working the Delirium table, along with Steven J and my band of merry men..... 1st off...I'll see you all next week when I resub 2ndly -TIM- from IMsmArtRU? call me...I need to figure out HOW we are going to hook up b4 the event so I can get JJ's stuff....(708-481-8146 <--ask for Anthony) 3rd..where ever you are going, be careful love and hugs and peace and whathaveyou.... Tigger (ps...Interlab boys, can I have my watergun back?) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 19:09:33 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA28675; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:09:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA28656; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:03:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:03:56 -0600 Message-Id: <199411231858.SAA14980@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Blessings update X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >drop base party in VIENNA? huh? > >On Wed, 23 Nov 1994, Craig L. Stodolenak wrote: > >> Kurt Eckes (JethroX) will not be at Blessings tonight; he's flying to >> Austria tomorrow morning to spin at a Drop Bass party in Vienna this >> weekend. Apparently there are groups of people that are so hyped about the label that they throw parties every once in a while where Drop Bass Network's records are the reason for showing up. These parties are named after DB, but Kurt and Pat don't have anything to do with them. Kurt is being flown over there to spin at this particular one. Since DBN 018 was just released, I'm wondering just how long these parties run. :-) -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 19:23:13 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA28919; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:22:50 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA27481; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:00:22 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:00:22 -0600 Message-Id: <199411231849.SAA14409@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: Craig.Stodolenak@mixcom.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Craig L. Stodolenak" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: mw-raves CALENDAR 11.23.94 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ______ ______ _ _ ______ ______ \ \ \ \ / / / / /\ /\\ /\ /\ \_____\ \ / /_____/ /_____ / \/ \\/ \/ \ \ \ \/ /______ ______/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================================ mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu === ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Code Date City Event ----- ------- -------------- -------------------------------------- 00 11/23 W Chicago BLESSINGS 00 11/23 W Cincinnati PILGRIMAGE 00 11/24 T Detroit JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCORE 00 11/25 F Pittsburgh ALL NATURAL 00 11/25 F Minneapolis CELESTIAL GROOVES 00 11/26 S Morgantown BIG UNDERGROUND GROOVE 00 11/26 S Detroit FIASCO 00 11/26 S Akron IMAGINE 00 11/26 S Chicago LOVE REVOLUTION 00 11/26 S Minneapolis RHYTHM 00 11/26 S Chicago UNIVERSAL LOVE 00 11/26 S Louisville WE THE PEOPLE 00 12/02 F Chicago GREMLIN 00 12/02 F Duluth LOOPED 00 12/03 S St. Louis AURORA 00 12/03 S Detroit CONTACT 00 12/03 S Louisville EVOLUTION 00 12/03 S Chicago SPEED 00 12/10 S Chicago CREATION 00 12/10 S Madison DEEP FREEZE 00 12/10 S Detroit FUK 00 12/10 S Nashville FUNKOPOLIS 00 12/10 S Cleveland IMAGINE 00 12/10 S Fargo SINERGY 00 12/17 S Dayton ENCOUNTER 00 12/17 S Appleton LIQUID LOVE 00 12/17 S Minneapolis RECESS 00 12/17 S Pittsburgh TRANSENDENCE II 00 12/31 S Memphis COMMUNICATE 00 12/31 S Minneapolis FUTURE 00 12/31 S Chicago PURE 00 12/31 S Milwaukee RITUAL 00 12/31 S Atlanta SPUTNIK V 00 01/14 S Athens ATTRACTION 00 01/14 S Nashville FATHOM 00 02/04 S Memphis ABDUCTION (moved from 11/18) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- === MWRaves Calendar ==================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Issued every WEDNESDAY. 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Every week the you'll find numbers next to the events listed at the top of the calendar. the numbers range from 01 thru 50. it all works by sending mail to: modE@csd.uwm.edu --------------------------------------------------------------------- to GET meetwhile 12: To: modE@csd.uwm.edu Subject: get 12 [message body is just scrapped] --------------------------------------------------------------------- to ADD to meetwhile 07: To: modE@csd.uwm.edu Subject: add 07 [message body = description, plans, anything...] ----------------------------------------------------------------------- === MainSection ============================================ E-flyers === ----------------------------------------------------------------------- 23 NOVEMBER Wednesday CHICAGO BLESSINGS 23rd November Wednesday Thanksgiving Eve in Chicago, IL. MushGroove along with Incredibeets present +++++++ ++ +++++++ +++++++ +++++++ ++ ++ ++ +++++++ +++++++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++++ ++ ++ ++ ++++++++ ++ +++++++ +++++++ +++++++ ++ ++ ++ + ++ +++ +++++++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++ ++++++++ +++++++ +++++++ +++++++ +++++++ ++ ++ ++ +++++++ +++++++ * A Thanksgiving Eve Gathering * Featuring DJ's FELIX da HOUSECAT - First Chicago Appearance (Radical Fear, Global Cuts, Reload Records) - other DJ's - ESP Woody McBride - Minneapolis ( U.C., Drop Bass, LabWorks, Germany ) MaddGroove - Chicago Terry Mullan - Minneapolis ( Acid Love Core ) ( House Wonderworker ) Mystic Bill - Chicago EFEX - Chicago ( Physics, H.P.S. ) ( The Assailant ) - plus - Frankie Vega - Chicago Hector Lopez - Chicago (MushGroove) ...and more T.B.A. I N F O R M A T I O N O N T H I S $5.00 E V E N T CHICAGO: ST. LOUIS 312.509.6869 314.994.1114 509.6888 509.5034 IOWA 319.277.4610 SUBURBS: 708.581.3200. EX.287 E-MAIL an138501@anon.penet.fi MILWAUKEE 414.777.3998 MADISON 608.283.3357 MINNEAPOLIS 612.649.4902 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 23 NOVEMBER Wednesday CINCINNATI PILGRIMAGE DJ Bob-A-Dob/Still Fresh Productions presents: The Thrid Annual Thanksgiving-Eve Party PILGRIMAGE Wednesday, November 23, 1994 Cincinnati Ohio DJ's Derrick Carter (Organico Recording Artist from Chicago) DJ Bob-A-Dob (Clubhead Records, Cincinnati Ohio) DBX (of Plus 8 Records, Detroit) Mark Farina As well as other local dj's to follow For additional information call the Yum-Yum line at: 513.648.9647 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 24 NOVEMBER Thursday DETROIT JOURNEY THRU THE HRDCR Thanksgiving Night, November 24 in Detroit.... JOURNEY THROUGH THE HARDCORE with.... Kevin Saunderson (Intercity/KMS-Detroit) "Magic" Juan Atkins (Metroplex-Detroit) D. Wynn (R-Tyme-Detroit) Roger Sanchez (New York) Mike "The Hitman" Wilson (Chicago) Claude Young (Detroit) Live performance by Rachel Capp And many more.... All in two rooms (spinning both techno and house) Advance tickets at Recordtime in Detroit Any Ticketmaster outlet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 25 NOVEMBER Friday PITTSBURGH ALL NATURAL Millenium Productions Presents: A L L N A T U R A L Where Society fades into a laughable memory... Shocking but true!!! You'll have to see it to believe it!!! 9pm-9am Live & Direct Line-up All Killer No Filler: DJ's Steve Loriah (L.A., Stress Records West Coast Progressive Acid House) Metatron (London, UK, Praxias Records Head Honcho) Scott Forbush (Cleveland, Wanker Records, Hardest Fastest Man in the Biz) Deadly Buda (Pittsburgh, King of the Nightime World) Terry Kicks (Pittsburgh, Thumping House God of Thunder) 1.8.7 (Pittsburgh, The Livest PA in the U.S. of A) Spike (Pittsburgh, The Upstage Mon. and Sat. nights) Buda (Pittsburgh, Bringer of Flowers and Pulsating Joy) Visonary Visuals by Eyegasm Panoramic Projections by Zamecnik Second Room Ambient and Poetry, Mellow grooves and Trancey rhythms from Pittsburgh's freshest new DJ's! Pittsburgh's Premier of The KickSquad Revolving SoundSystem "Warning: This is no joke. We highly recommend hearing protection. Ignore this recommendation at your own risk & responsibility." The David Apocalypse Show (The Circus Ringleader Returns) Everyone is welcome but this event has a limit of 850 tickets. Get 'em early -- This event WILL reach capacity. Maps & Location information availble ONLY on the day of the evnt at Ticket Locations or call the *NEW* Millenium Infoline @: 412.734.8994 Tickets availible in: @ phone Pittsburgh - Oakland Teleropa 412.621.2144 Collectors 12" 412.682.4033 Azis 412.683.8593 - Southside Slacker 412.381.3911 Revolutions 412.488.6227 - North Hills Record Rama 412.367.7330 - Forest Hills Future Sounds 412.351.3221 Cleveland - Deep Records 216.382.3101 Columbus - World Record 614.297.7900 Harrisburg - Checkered Past 717.561.8898 Lancaster - Checkered Past 717.299.6220 Baltimore - Modern Music 410.523.1882 Washington, DC - Music Now 202.338.5638 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 25 NOVEMBER Friday MINNEAPOLIS CELESTIAL GROOVES (pre flyer) C E L E S T I A L G R O V E S funky ass dance BEATS nov 25 1994 DEE-JAYS TBA USUAL PRODUCTIONS----------1.800.803.8520 mpls minnesota ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday MORGANTOWN BIG UNDERGROUND GROOVE DJ's Richie Rich (NYC) dieselBoy (Pittsburgh) DJ Sun (Baltimore) Finger (Pittsburgh) Live PA by: 1.8.7 (Pittsburgh) More DJ's to be confirmed. Call 304.291.3975 for more information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday AKRON ETERNAL PEACE TRIBE ETERNAL PEACE TRIBE %!%!%%!%%%!*********WELCOME*********!%%%!%%!%!% 0.11.26.94.0 in Akron , Ohio info/location 216.971.9010 KEOKI (nyc) JAMES CHRISTIAN (nyc) SYNAPSE (eternal peace tribe/akron) ODYSSEY (subb/eternal- toronto) SLEEPY-C (psychoactive/eternal- cleveland) ALGO-RYTHM (subb - toronto) on the chill deck THADE'DAS supported by Mike and Larry Surrond Sound** Atmospheric Lighting ^by Clockwerk Smart Bar by Get Smart Film Loops by Subteranean Blacklight Studios 2 rooms 2 chill Tickets: DEEP RECORD @!^>#*@>#!)! 216.382.3101 ARSENIC and OLD LACE @!^>$#$>(#%) 216.434.9350 World RECORDS 614.297.7900 SLACKER 412.381.3911 This will be a no DONUT party..Location to be released just a few days before the event..Due to limited capacity tickets will be on sale NOV. 14,1994. There will be plenty of room to crash for those who are traveling...Just bring your own Blankety and PillOWSS, ETC.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday DETROIT FIASCO _____ / ___| / / _ | | |_| | | | |____ _ ____ ________ _____ _______ | ____| | | |___ \ / _______| / ____| / ___ \ | | | | \ \ / / / / / / \ \ | | | | ___/ \ \ \_______ | | | | | | | | | | / ___ | \ _____ \ | | | | | | | | | | / / | | \ \ | | | | | | | | | | | |__/ | ______/ / \ \____ \ \___/ / |__| |_| \____/|_| |_______ / \_____| \_______/ ____________________________________________________________________ |____________________________________________________________________ a p o o r b o y production >>detroit 11.26.94<< the sound of the detroit underground: mike huckaby (recordtime's hard house alchemist) claude young (detroit's darkest house/traxx back from the outback) ~sines (crispy cymbals from columbus oh) heckle & jeckle (bileebob & paris--tag team breaks/traxx champions) jazz/slo-breaks room with spinnin' sorcerer brian gillespie live digital/analogue integration by columbus' chillmasters: A.mbience R.ecovery S.ystem 6540 Hasting info 810.901.5052 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday AKRON IMAGINE Reality Is Limited Imagination is Boundless.... IMAGINE Audio Navigators Keoki (Disco 2000/NYC) James Christain (NYC) DJ Odyssey (Subb-Toronto/Eternal) Sleepy C (Psychoactive-Deep/Eternal) Algo-Rhythm (Subb-Toronto) G-Wiz (Baltimore) More Info and DJ's to Come! For more info call 216.971.9010 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday CHICAGO LOVE REVOLUTION Saturday Nov. 26, 1994 Diversified Funk, Vibe Alive, and RIPE bring you Love Revolution Micro - (nyc) Felix da house cat - (detroit) Mystic Bill & Davey Dave doin a tag team thang Gene Farris Mike Dearborn Spun Mindrive this event will be in chicago more info will be posted later. js784592@pucal.bitnet ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday MINNEAPOLIS RHYTHM November 26th in da beautiful metropolis of Minneapolis Color X presents ------------------------------- - - - RHYTHM - - - ------------------------------- Featuring the vinyl Sounds of: --Wade Randolph Hampton-- --------Synergy-------- --------Waxee-------- ------E Tones------ ------Earth------ --Alex Jarvis-- 612.721.1072 rock it like dat ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday CHICAGO UNIVERSAL LOVE saturday, november 26, the midwest unites once again to release its... U N I V E R S A L L O V E forward the positive energy DJ ONIONZ.............caffiene new york MYSTICAL INFLUENCE....dub plate enthusiast / top jungalist draw MIKE DUNN.............djax rythm control / holland chicago JOSH WERNER...........jango house / chicago original DJ SNIPER.............fat controllers / toronto's own syrous massive MC EZ................. MINDRIVE..............acid funk WILDCHILD.............intelligent ASTROBOY..............that deep trance shit, st. love DR. GROO..............ill state jungalist JJ JELLYBEAN..........visionary DJ TRAXX..............chicago definition of house MC DR NO..............special guest MYSTIC BILL...........house preservation society DAVEY DAVE............ SNUGGLES..............chicago's jungalist cha kru DJRP.................. THE PHANTOM 45........ two rooms of 100% ood music and crystal clear sound by DIVERSIFIED AUDIO, massive LAX - SLACK chill out area featuring free h2o and veggie food. beautiful posiitive feeling aided by our human ambient personnel: riverman, the tribe, and the wiseman. massive display of 3d projections, visual haze, and filmloops by OPTIQUE. i-beam technology and retina frying lasers by DAVE CANDY. the airhorn - YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! flea market featuring smart mart/brain salon, massive inflatables, and body painting by GLORIA. 312.509.6453 chicago 407.839.6050 orlando 312.604.1978 407.277.7635 708.786.3995 suburbs 606.281.4193 lexington 414.256.1342 milwaukee 404.496.4343 atlanta 414.777.3998 416.599.3851 toronto 608.283.3357 madison 416.586.0380 317.895.4546 indianapolis 905.823.9301 317.899.8100 416.760.3273 612.458.7081 minneapolis 071.437.0478 u.k. 612.946.5938 071.267.4479 612.649.4768 0865.254.0476 314.994.1143 st. louis 0344.412.249 314.994.1114 319.337.7712 iowa 901.393.9831 memphis 313.417.4709 detroit 216.238.1451 cleveland 617.859.3605 boston 212.631.1023 n.y.c. 513.648.9647 cincinnati ripe / vibe alive ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 26 NOVEMBER Saturday LOUISVILLE WE THE PEOPLE do-si-do productions presents W E T H E P E O P L E . . . back from his abduction from the mothership JON BLATT return of the man from st. louis JEREMY REESE bringing back a vibe tribe founding father MERLIN space camp instructor and groovey navigator FLIP C. better days records BEN JONES fresh off the streets of lexington JOSH FOLEY live guest tba smartbar by COTTONMOUTH lasers, lights and sound by MAXXIMUM world conspiracy by J SQUARED bust free event! video games! glo-sticks! free water! !candy + toys !clean space !restrooms map point: better days records (502) 456 2394 tickets available day of event 502.283.9191 do-si-do (local) 606.281.4193 lexington 615.780.3730 nashville 312.730.8474 chicago 314.495.1374 st. louis 513.698.9647 cincinnati the queen - 502-458-5160 $10 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 02 DECEMBER Friday CHICAGO GREMLIN ATP & Drop Bass G R E M L I N 12.02.94 - Chicago, IL GIZMO - Amsterdam BOOMER - St. Louis TERRY MULLAN EFEX TRON JETHROX JEDIDIAH Live PA's by DELTA 9 TRIPPER INFORMATION SYSTEMS 312.509.8068 708.581.3200 xATP 414.257.1733 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 02 DECEMBER Friday DULUTH LOOPED E-vent Productions invites you to get LOOPED centrally located in a fresh virgin warehouse space for your dancing pleasure. DJ's On the 1's and 2's- Mr. Alex Jarvis (Mpls Sugar Daddy) Aftershock (Ironwood's Love Supreme) JDS (E-Vent) KEVIN CRAIG (Mpls Fly Guy) Psychonaut (KUMD Radio) Trancendental, U4EA, and Special Live PA by Bubbofluxx 10,000 Watts of big, phat, delicious JBL BASS!! Lighting by MIDNIGHT SUN of Ironwood Visuals and Videos by Faustigate & Kellar Special chill and groove room. Tix and more info @ Electric Fetus Duluth, Let It Be Records (Mpls), Freestyle (Duluth), and Urban grounds Coffee Shop (Duluth). $7.00 in advance. 8pm til 6am. respect- E-Vent. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 03 DECEMBER Saturday ST. LOUIS AURORA Aurora ------ Saturday, December 3rd - St. Louis DJ Josh (San Francisco) * Miles Maeda (Chicago) John Kessan (Denver) * Mr. Koolaid (LA) Astroboy (St. Louis) Ambient Room featuring LA's Sunkissed Project Lighting by Eyegasm Sound by Diversified Audio Drinks by Get Smart Info lines: St. Louis - 314.995.9518 * Ohio 513.496.1071 Memphis - 901.363.9831 * Denver 303.575.1149 Nashville - 615.780.3730 * Chicago 312.604.1764 Indianapolis - 317.899.8100 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 03 DECEMBER Saturday DETROIT CONTACT ============================================================================ ___ ___ _______ / \ / /\ / __ /\ _______ ______ / /\ \ / / \_______ / /\/ / \_______ _______ / ___ /\ / __ /\/ / \ \/ / /__ ___/\/ /__/ / / ___ //__ __/\ / /\ /_/ / / / / /__/ \____/ / /\ /__/ \/__/ / /\ /_/ \/ /\ / / \__\ / / / / \ \ /\ \ / / \_\ \ \ \ / / \__\ / / \_/ \ \__/ / \ \_\ \ /\ \ / \ \ /\ \ / \ \ /\ \ \ \__/ / /\ \ / \____/__/ \_____\/ \__\/ \___\/ \_\/ \__\/ \__\/\____/__/ \_\/ saturday december 3rd detroit ============================================================================= featuring the live and direct jungle madness of detroit's very own H e c k l e and J e c k l e tearing up the dance floor on four turntables, Chicago's M y s t i c B i l l and D a v e y D a v e and superstar detroit dj's J e r e m e y T i m B a k e r C h u c k H a m p t o n call 810.746.3338 for more event info.... -----> net.raver discount! Two for One! call or email us at hcmk@jwkorth.com or hcmk@umich.edu to be put on the list brought to you by the treetown familee massive ============================================================================= ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 03 DECEMBER Saturday LOUISVILLE EVOLUTION EVOLUTION - TEKNOSAURUS Louisville, Kentucky December 3rd, 1994 main room: 10:00 - 11:40 Mike Hukaby 11:40 - 1:20 Dieselboy 1:20 - 3:00 Lenny Dee 3:00 - 4:40 Scott Henry 4:40 - 6:20 Terry Mullan 6:20 - 8:00 Mark Farina info: louisville 502-569-1969 lexington 606-281-4193 nashville 615-780-3730 indianapolis 317-899-8100 cincinatti 513-468-9647 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 03 DECEMBER Saturday CHICAGO SPEED mushgroove - incredibeets SATURDAY DECEMBER 3rd IN HARDCORE CHICAGO, IL. USA ______________________________________________________________________ _____ _ _______ ___ \_ _______ \_ ___ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ _ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ _ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ _____ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ \_ _____ \_ _ _____\_ - featuring - Live and Direct from Frankfurt, Germany in their first U.S. appearance performing a live P.A. THE SPEED FREAK ( Monotone,Shockwave Records, Germany ) and MIKE Inc. (Force, Inc., Musicworks) along with P.A.'s by DELTA 9 - CHICAGO ( Drop Bass Records ) DJ HYPERACTIVE - CHICAGO ( U.C., Drop Bass, Contact ) - Midwest Reps - DJ SKULL - CHICAGO ( Djax Upbeats Records ) ESP WOODY McBRIDE - MINNEAPOLIS ( U.C.,Drop Bass, Magnetic North, LabWorks,Germany) MR. BILL - MILWAUKEE ( Hardcore Terorist ) EFEX - CHICAGO ( Performing The Fast Track To Hell ) MADDGROOVE - CHICAGO ( Acid Love Core ) ROBERT ARMANI - CHICAGO ( A.C.V., Djax Upbeats, DanceMania Traxxmen ) TERRY MULLAN - CHICAGO ( House WonderWorker ) MYSTIC BILL - CHICAGO ( Physics, H.P.S. ) Special 4 Turntable Performances by HAP - E - VIBES SONIC BOOM ( MushGroove, Chicago ) JETHROX JEDIDIAH ( Drop Bass, Milwaukee ) and spinning Chicago's Ruffest Jungle/Drum n'Bass PHANTOM 45 JJ JELLYBEAN ( C.H.A. Massive ) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - SPEED will feature some of the finest talent from around the world, another all-out moving EV-MT concert series sound system by DIVERSIFIED AUDIO, laser light show spectacular featuring dual multi-colored Argon systems, the latest in I-Beam technology, Liquid Adrenaline smart bar by Liquid Technology of New York City, merchandise and vendors from around the globe, Live drum circle by The Tribe and The People of Rhythm (bring drums for discounted admission), live video mixing by Video Drugs, loops by Zero Films, and security by Chicago's Finest. 24/7 info on SPEED Chicago 312.509.6869 312.509.6888 ( mushgroove ) ( incredibeets ) suburbs 708.581.3200. EX. 287 ( ATP ) 708.786.3940 ( Legnd ) Milwaukee 414.777.3998 ( Drop Bass Network ) 414.777.EXTC ( Massive ) Madison 608.283.3357 ( The Away Team ) Minneapolis 612.649.4902 ( Disco Family Plan ) St. Louis 314.994.1114 ( Superstars of Love ) Iowa Waterloo 319.277.4610 ( Exit Left ) Cedar Falls 319.757.5323 ( Exstatis ) DesMoines 515.225.8440 ( One Word ) Cincinnatti Baltimore (Yum-Yum) 513.648.9647 (Modern Music)410.523.1882 Indianapolis Cleveland Heights, Ohio ( Sin Prod.) 317.899.8100 (Deep Records)216.382.3101 Toronto Philadelphia (X-Static) 416.599.3851 (611 Records) 215.413.9100 Washington D.C. New York City (Music Now) 202.638.3272 (Subtopia) 212.431.6718 E-Mail an138501@anon.penet.fi ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10 DECEMBER Saturday CHICAGO CREATION C R E A T I O N "the greatest is love" saturday december 10, 1994 MYSTIC BILL ERIQUE HECTOR LOPEZ OSCAR OB1 making her appearance 3 X BOO in the zone room DR GROO BRAINSTORM incredibeets citric acid WILDCHILD chicago jungalist KING SWIFT JAZZ WHEELER hip hop guru life produkt chicago if you woule like passes to promote your event call & leave message - vendors welcome film loops by OPTIQUE VIDTEK lighting by PHYSIC VISUALS info - 312.604.1857 twenty four seven ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10 DECEMBER Saturday MADISON DEEP FREEZE Flipside Productions invites you to chill at D E E P F R E E Z E Saturday December 10th 1994 in So. Central WI with DJ's: JOHN AQUAVIVA definitive/stickman/plus8 detroit REESE astralwerks new york live performance by ESP comminuque/drop bass minneapolis JETSTREAM detroit EFEX chicago MINDRIVE madison DENEB waupun Sound and lights by Badger Refreshmentz by Cottonmouth this is a map point event 608.283.3116 612.946.5938 admission is $12/$10 ** pre-flyer only ** ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10 DECEMBER Saturday DETROIT FUK Richie Hawtin Dan Bell Terry Mullan (more info when it's available :-) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10 DECEMBER Saturday NASHVILLE FUNKOPOLIS December 10th 1994 in Nashville : F U N K O P O L I S Confirmed DJ's : John Debo (Boston) stress / Mindwarp DB (NY) NASA / Smile comm. Micro (NY) Progression / Sorted Records King Brett (Phily) Ovum Recording Scott Richmond (NY) Satellite Production Net Chip B (Nashville) B.A.M. Terry Mullan (Chicago) Vibe Tribe Larry (Nashville) VINN Spridel (Delaware) long awaited return Ambiant room by CCP (Memphis) Funk room : Humpty and Knuckl Head promotional give aways by above Labels Sound by : Sound-O-Mighty Intelligent Lights by : Maxximum S & L, Inc Visuals by : Factory Visuals (Florida) Funk clothes by : J Squared Smart bar by : IMSMARTRU Info : 615.780.3730 E-mail : AnodeBAM@aol.com MaxximumSL@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10 DECEMBER Saturday CLEVELAND IMAGINE REALITY IS LIMITED IMAGINATION IS BOUNDLESS.......... <<<*IMAGINE*>>> one love one nation one groove CLEVELAND, OHIO 12.10.94 Audio Atmosphere: MYSTIC BILL- Chicago's house preservation society JAJO- St.Louis SLEEPY C- eternal/psychoactive TREVOR LAMONT- Delaware ASTROBOY- St.Louis 7-UP - eternal/attik more info soon...... call ETERNAL 216.491.4527 surprise sooper specail guest... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 10 DECEMBER Saturday FARGO SINERGY ______ _____ _____ ____ / | |\ | | | \ / \ \ / \______ | | \ | |___ |_____/ | \ / \ | | \ | | | \ | -- | ______ / | | \| |_____ | \ \____| | 12.10.94 Fargo, North Dakota DJ's - your favorite mw-raves net dj's Cost - free for net kids and anyone who comes with you I will find a place for ya to krash. info - 218.236.3085 or e-mail me (honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 17 DECEMBER Saturday DAYTON ENCOUNTER ENCOUNTER illuminator 12.17.94 PROTOTYPE 909 instinct records JETHROX dbn ASTROBOY SHO JIMI ARI LODGE + illuminator ----> 513.496.1071 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 17 DECEMBER Saturday APPLETON LIQUID LOVE on D e c e m b e r 17th, 1 9 9 4 come be immersed in L I Q U I D L O V E in Appleton, Wi with David Hollands Efex Kenny Gino (Muncie, Ind.) (The Assailant) (Memphis, Tn.) Chicago Liquid Love Tribe Davey Dave Gene Farris Martin Frymire (HPS Records) (HPS Records/ RR Records) (Deep Tribe) Chicago Chicago Chicago live pa by: Tripper Information Systems Al G. (phisics records) (Deep Tribe) 'last wisconsin performance before '95 world tour. Milwaukee plus many other special guests to be announced!! stay tuned for more info, plus additional djs. call: 414.777.EXTC massive posse 414.939.0473 liquid love line Brought to you by the people that brought you... Shanti... Mosaic... and Rustic. Pavalon rx, Liquid Love Tribe, Massive Magazine, Network 10, Serotonin Protocal, and many others!!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 17 DECEMBER Saturday MINNEAPOLIS RECESS --------======================================================-------- ....Unik Communikations.... ....is proud to present.... --------======================================================-------- ---==== R ... E ... C ... E ... S ... S ====--- December 17th, 1994 in Minneapolis, MN _-_ The Playground Monitors _-_ :--> T-1000 <--: :--> Ralphie Dee <--: :--> DJ Apollo <--: :--> DJ JT <--: :--> E-Tones <--: ... introducing the new skool ... :--> DJ FK <--: :--> DJ Natas <--: :--> DJ Whatever <--: groovy lights and sound by Purple Ghost da info line -=- i_6i2_429_3205 --------======================================================-------- .... Be there or be somewhere else .... --------======================================================-------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 17 DECEMBER Saturday PITTSBURGH TRANSENDENCE II T R A N C E N D E N C E IIIII IIIII III III III III IIIII IIIII T H E A F T E R L I F E Oct 1st marked the birth of something new in Pittsburgh. That was the date of Transcendence, the first party held by UnDerGround Inc. On December 17th we will be holding Transcendence II: The Afterlife. It will be in the same space which is already contract/permit secured. This time we're trying something new. Pittsburgh is known mainly for it's breakbeat, though there is a strong house movement. We've decided to take advantage of our situation. Transcendence II's line up consists of all breakbeat and house DJ's. There are a few reasons why we're doing this: 1. We're trying something new. In all my rave experience, I've neither attended nor heard of a party with an all breakbeat and house line-up. 2. When we first set this date there was no competition. Now there is. If we threw the same kind of party as everyone else, you would probably go to which ever is closer. 3. At the past few parties we've been to, we've noticed the vibe to be at it's highest during the breakbeat and house sets. So we are isolating these two styles of techno to see what happens. Lineup: (Junglists and Househeads take notes!) Overload (Boston) Chris Fortier (Orlando) G-Wiz (Baltimore) dieselBoy (Pittsburgh) Ruffian (Pittsburgh) Groovemasta (Pittsburgh) Bit (of Induction) (Houston/Pittsburgh) DJ Kevin (Pittsburgh) Live PA by: 1.8.7 (Pittsburgh) About the line-up... --dieselBoy will be leading the breakbeat attack. His set at Glow is what inspired this idea. --187 will be performing a live set of his jungle breaks which is an amazing thing to experience. If you've seen him perform live you know what I'm talking about. If you haven't, you should. He gave me a new respect for techno. --DJ Bit is a local DJ who spins slow breaks with a strong house influence. --Ruffian is at the other end of the spectrum with his darker, harder and aster breaks. --Overload from Boston has just joined our breakbeat fleet. He is New England's premier breakbeat DJ. All of the breakbeat styles differ from one another, so we tried to be consistent with our house line-up. --Orlando, Florida has a strong house scene and to show you why, we're flying up Chris Fortier. --G-Wiz will be supplying the Baltimore house dosage with a touch of hip hop for fun. --Groovemasta's set was so fun and funky at the first Transcendence we're bringing him back. --DJ Kevin could make your grandma get down and shake it. I'm serious, he really could. Don't get me wrong, I like the strong trance influence present in a lot of the music you hear at most/all raves. I just never can seem to get enough good breakbeat and good house into my rave diet. If you feel the same way then let us fulfill your recomended raver allowance on December 17th. Yum. Peace & Rhythm, John Dwight, UnDerGround Inc. Intelligent lighting by Eyegasm I-beams out the wazoo. Plus whatever other toys he's got up his sleeve. Laser production by P.A.W.N. Including thier infinite color, white-light laser system + one more laser. Moonbounce available for your bouncing pleasure. No alcohol or attitude. P.S. Please travel in support of the scene. December 17, 1994 Pittsburgh, Pa Infoline 412.734.1467 9pm-11am Tickets $12 in advance $15 at the door Directions on infoline 12-15-94 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 31 DECEMBER Saturday MEMPHIS COMMUNICATE CCP presents : -------Communicate-------- in Memphis, December 31st, 1994 DJ's to be posted later on. Sound and ligths by Maxximum S & L Info : 901.454.9972 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 31 DECEMBER Saturday MINNEAPOLIS FUTURE the D I S C O F A M I L Y P L A N invites you into the FFFFF U U TTTTT U U RRR EEEEE F U U T U U R R E FFF U U T U U RR EEE F U U T U U R R E F UUUU T UUUU R R EEEEE december 31st in MINNEAPOLIS MN <<>> --------------------------------------------- ESP NICK NICE T-1000 HYPERACTIVE MIND DRIVE MERLIN MR. BILL E-TONES ROZ DRONE ALEX APOLLO EARTH ********************************************* much much bass +sound and atmosphere design by 4d+ 360degrees of far out light deelies +this is a pre flyer+look outside+ +special commemorative 7" record release on communique records usa "speed o light"+ the westernmost outpost of a unified midwestern tri-city celebration MPLS+CHICAGO+MILWAUKEE 6 1 2 . 9 4 6 . 5 9 3 8 NEW YEARS EVE 1994 <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> a 12 hour marathon of pure fun! M I N N E A P O L I S PSCENIC seeing feelings bloom. this event enjoys support from... -generator records detroit -the order of the trance -contact records chicago -cynesthasia -drop bass records -nexxxt -communique records -underground construction records celebrating how far we've come... and how far we've yet to go -please no alcohol-peace <<------------------------------------------>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 31 DECEMBER Saturday CHICAGO PURE 9:00pm sunrise saturday december 31st new years eve chicago usa P U R E djs: REESE new york SOUL SLINGER new york MIKE HUCKABY detroit ROY DAVIS PAUL JOHNSON MYSTIC BILL GENE FARRIS EFEX DIZ DAVEY DAVE JOSH WERNER TRAXX jungle ting djs: RP SMACK SNUGGLES PHANTOM 45 info: 312.509.6453 ripe 312.604.1978 vibe alive 312.509.6334 core innovations the countdown has begun. you have been warned!! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 31 DECEMBER Saturday MILWAUKEE RITUAL ATP & Drop Bass ### # ### # # # # # # # # # # # # # 6 # # # # # # # # # 6 66 ## # # # # ### # 66 # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ### # # ### NEW YEARS EVE in the hardcore capital milwaukee, wi usa 8 PM - 8 AM another twelve hour revolution hardcore & acid spinners local spinners ------------------------ -------------- damon wild tron ricky fingers fierce dan dc - new york groove astroboy - st. louis sonic happevibe live pa's frankie vega --------- dzak delta 9 madgroove astrocat - dbn records rotorboy house dj's and suprise headliner t.b.a. 100% permitted/secure/guaranteed/confirmed/blissful massive, massive, massive sound/lights/visuals three complete rooms enjoy ritual, pure, or future - support the midwest vibe 414.256.1733 414.548.1973 312.509.8068 the underground is #@$%^(! drop bass -> preflyer only <- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 31 DECEMBER Saturday ATLANTA SPUTNIK V satellite productions presents S P U T N I K V new years eve 1995 lakewood exhibition center atlanta, georgia 404.908.7308 212.465.3299 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 14 JANUARY Saturday ATHENS ATTRACTION AtTrAcTiOn Friday, January 13. Saturday, January 14. Sunday, January 15 Athens, Ohio. at Ohio University a net.raver gathering extrordinaire. open tables, lots of schmoozing, and people!!!!!! and it's all FREE. i've had some people say they wanna spin, no problem. eveyone is invited, if you got something to share, the stage is yours. this event will happen Like This: Friday night--> ppl arrive, chill. we schmooze. Saturday afternoon--> music starts, continues all day Saturday night--> music will be turned down later that night, noise factors. schmoozing continues. Sunday--> sleep, go home, help becca clean up. :) sound good to everyone? good! :) this will be hyped up more later. i'll be in spain the whole month of december, that's why this is going out so early. *huGs* to all Becca Maslow rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu little elf :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 14 JANUARY Saturday NASHVILLE FATHOM BAM!/anode present FATHOM - an underwater playground Djs Reese / Astralwerks dieselboy / Pittsburg astroboy / Saint Love Mystic Bill / Chicago House Preservation Society Chip B / Nashville David Hollands / Indianapolis more info posted soon color flyers out NOW! infoline 615.780.3730 email anodeBAM@aol.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 04 FEBRUARY Friday MEMPHIS ABDUCTION [event postponed from Friday October 21 - Craig] [and then again postponed from Friday November 18 - Craig ] CCP presents in Memphis February 4th, 1995 : *******Abduction********* DJ's to be posted later on Sound and Lights by Maxximum S&L, inc ----------------------------------------------------------------------- === MWRaves Miscellaneous =============================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- POSTS: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu REQUESTS: listserv@csd.uwm.edu FTP: hyperreal.com:/raves/mw GOPHER: hyperreal.com WWW: http://www.physics.purdue.edu/mw-raves/ VRAVE: telnet hyperreal.com 7283 IRC: #rave PROBLEMS: archon@acid.com or aragorn@csd.uwm.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------- === listserv REQUESTS =================================================== ----------------------------------------------------------------------- The REQUESTS address above takes the following commands in the body of your mail: unsub mw-raves unsubscribe sub mw-raves your_name subscribe set mw-raves mail digest get daily digested form of list instead unsub mw-raves-cal unsubscribe from calendar ONLY list sub mw-raves-cal your_name subscribe to calendar ONLY list The calendar available from the listserv@csd is _old_ and will not be updated until further notice. Please either FTP/Gopher/WWW to the above sites, or send mail to mw-raves-cal@acid.com and the current calendar will automatically be sent to you. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ================================ bottom ================================= ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 19:50:43 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA29743; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:50:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA07052; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:45:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 13:45:41 -0600 Message-Id: <9411231944.AA04964@mik.uky.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: kjsmoc00@mik.uky.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: kimberly j smock To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: kids????? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Are there any other ravers blessed with......... ................. -kids? *peace*hugs -kimberly From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 20:06:07 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA00167; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 15:05:57 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA10237; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:04:04 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:04:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199411231958.TAA17818@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: kids????? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Kimbery Smock: > Are there any other >ravers blessed with......... Not myself, but a very close friend of mine is 26 and has a 7-year old boy. She used to go to parties every weekend, sometimes two or three a week. Now she's a little burn on the scene and maybe hits a party a month. She's gone back to school for a degree in chemistry, helps run a house with her fiancee, is raising an adorable child, and still finds time to drop her shit and rave. :-) I'm very proud of her, but I don't think she's necessarily typical. What about you? -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 20:52:22 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA01120; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 15:51:50 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA18685; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:44:31 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:44:31 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: s0176326@cc.ysu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: TROUT SOUP To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: vinyl help & more X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 21 Nov 1994, Jim Owens wrote: > Does anyone have any knowledge of using rubbing alcohol to clean > those fingerprints off one's precious vinyl? I have known ppl who > use it to clean their records, but I have also heard it is bad for > the vinyl. I dont want to try it without some input. Anyone? > > Also if anyone has a tried and true record cleaning homebrew I would > love to know. Ideas??? this is from some *.faq i have tucked away on my hard drive, i've never used this recipie, so i can't say how well it works... If you have a more reasonable collection, you might be happy with a good hand washing every now and then. To give your records a good hand washing, start by preparing illed water 90 ml 70% isopropyl alcohol 1 gram Alconox (a laboratory detergent) Al brush and trim it to the correct stiffness/bristle length so that the bristles can get into the grooves scratch the record. Lay the LP flat and pour a thin coat of the above fluid on it. Brush the wash into sh in the direction of the grooves, going through all grooves. Flush the wash and dirt off with cool, run Rinrd with distilled water and pat it dry with a soft, clean cotton cloth. generic tagline: no quote today because my brain is broken. so there. email: s0176326@cc.ysu.edu \ jffocht@gateway.cis.ysu.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 21:02:40 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA01372; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:02:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA21398; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 15:00:12 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 15:00:12 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MiCKeY HoNMyHR To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: synergy.. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ok here is the deal.... call mike at 10:30-11:00 central time the number is 612-721-1072 hope this helps!! mouse ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- M I C K E Y H O N M Y H R "i think he said stand together" - beastie boys ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 21:44:04 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA02352; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:43:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA29182; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 15:40:14 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 15:40:14 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: rave.kids X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Forwarded message: > From: kimberly j smock > > Are there any other > ravers blessed with......... > ................. > -kids? There must be. While dancing and being silly at Shanti over this past summer I noticed a number of people with kids, apparently from the Racine/Kenosha scene (funny how those two cities always go together ;-). The people who had their kids there didn't seem to be 'out of the ordinary' as far as knowing this was a rave-scene-thang. I instantly harked back to days in the 60s (not that *I* was there) and people showing up at concerts/shows/whatever with their kids in tow dancing up a storm and generally having a good time. Hopefully our scene will last long enough for the plur ethic to rub off on the progeny of rave.folk so that it gets carried into the future (tinkley bell, obligatory sci-fi music heard in the background)... - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 21:45:38 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA02429; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:45:26 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA29730; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 15:43:00 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 15:43:00 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: vinyl help & more X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Forwarded message: > From: TROUT SOUP > this is from some *.faq i have tucked away on my hard drive, i've never > used this recipie, so i can't say how well it works... [...] Would it be possible to repost this thing? It got seriously hosed on the way into mw-raves for some odd reason. A lot of text was missing, like how *much* distilled water to use in the mix. - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 22:21:51 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA03096; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:21:45 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA08043; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:19:34 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:19:34 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: to Dayton kids.. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hi kids... Ben here. I'm going to Daytun for thanksgiving weekend. Is there any thing ti do there then? I'm not sure what I will be able to afford, but iy would be nice to just hear from any of you...establish contacts to give me ex- tra incentive to come back more often. There's no way to hook up by computer while I'm there, but feel free to call...(513) 426-0829...c-ya! Ben dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 23:20:28 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA04196; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:20:11 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA19965; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:13:10 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:13:10 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: pkelly@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Patrick Kelly To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 11.25.94 Detroit X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO A friend of mine is coming into town for the holidays. I need something fun to do this Friday. Any suggestions? Fiasco comes one day to late. He's also from New York. I need something to show him that Detroit's scene is more than it seems. Also, last weekend the Red Door was busted. Any suggestions of other good places to hang would also be much appreciated. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 23 23:21:24 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA04213; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:21:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA20425; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:15:57 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:15:57 -0600 Message-Id: <9411231709.D6838Nb@theden.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: nitro@theden.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: nitro@theden.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Hey yall... Stop, Drop and ROLL X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Yes, yes, it's true. another crazy idea from Dialeighted Productions. The First dp stop drop, and roll party to go! We will be going down to Funkopolis from st. louis on december the 10th packed up (with most of my living room) in the back of a U-haul trailer! Tickets will cost 35$ and includes transport there and back, as well as the party and lots of free schitt from dp! only 25 tickets are available... call 314-567-2097 for more info. ---------------------[ S T A Y C O N N E C T E D ]----------------- -/\/- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 24 00:25:53 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA05360; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 19:25:42 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA28024; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:23:14 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:23:14 -0600 Message-Id: <9411231812.ZM6804@gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mb@gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Mark Bowen" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: vinyl help & more X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >If you have a more reasonable collection, you might be happy with a good hand washing every now and then. To give your > records a good hand washing, start by preparing illed water 90 ml 70% isopropyl alcohol 1 gram Alconox (a laboratory detergent) Al brush and trim it to the correct > stiffness/bristle length so that the bristles can get into the grooves scratch the record. > Lay the LP flat and pour a thin coat of the above fluid on it. Brush the wash into sh in the direction of the grooves, going through all grooves. > Flush the wash and dirt off with cool, run Rinrd with distilled water and pat it dry > with a soft, clean cotton cloth. Yeah maybe for 78s. I'm not going to scrub my 12"s with a soapy brush -- "Man is God, for it is in our holy brain Mark Bowen that we create Him in our image" mb@gettins.bche.uic.edu -Yello (paraphrased) O O O O O O O O O H | H | H | H | H | H | H | H | H | HN C= N C= N C= N C=HN C=HN C=HN C=HN C=HN C=O \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / C C C C C C C C C / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ H R H R H R H R H R H R H R H R H R From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 24 04:31:11 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA09022; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 23:30:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA16056; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 22:18:09 -0600 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 22:18:09 -0600 Message-Id: <941123231716_6185160@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: IMalbon@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: IMalbon@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: File Under: T-Shirt Makers X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey phunky phresh guys and gals! Make your own Tees! Post your own tribal associations where others can see them. How about : It's a RAVE thing, I'd really like to help you understand. ;) Well, here's some info lifted from good ol' *P. Ignore it if you want. I have NO vested interest. I just thought that there was the potential for some real fashion statements here: Following information courtesy of Larry Magid, Copyright 1994 Prodigy Services Company. All Rights Reserved. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dial-a-T-Shirt 11/21/94 Earlier this month I wrote about Gift Maker, a program from Maxis that lets you design your own T-Shirts, coffee mugs, aprons and other items. It's a great product but, in addition to paying for the gifts themselves, you've got to shell out about $40 for the software. A small business in Freeport, Me., has another idea for people who want to design their own T-Shirts. T-Shirts Online lets you design your shirt, using any PC or Macintosh graphics program--and then transfer the file to the company's computer bulletin board, using your modem and standard communications software. If you have Windows, you have what you need. Windows comes with Paintbrush, a basic but adequate painting program, and Terminal, an easy-to-use communications program. Just use your software to create any design of your choice. You can start from scratch or, with access to a scanner, you could bring in a photo or other image. Once you've designed what you want on your shirt, you use your communications software to dial into the company's bulletin board to upload your file. Once connected, the bulletin boards will lead you through the steps. You'll have to provide a credit card number for billing. A standard shirt, with a single drawing or painting costs $14.90 plus $3 shipping and handling. There are extra charges for photographs and for printing on both sides of the shirt. The shirts themselves are of exceptionally high quality cotton. The company uses a thermal transfer process to print the color image on the shirt. Images will stand up to normal washing. My eight-year-old son, William, designed his own T-shirt featuring a scanned photo of himself. Because it had to be blown up to fill the shirt, the picture was a little grainy, but it still looks quite good. Drawings and paintings created with Paintbrush and other graphic programs look excellent. It's a great way to show off your company logo, team name or any ideas that you want to get on (not off) your chest. You can reach the company via modem at (207) 865-1806. Set your communications program to 8 bits, no parity and 1 stop bit. When the service's modem answers, enter in the requested information, select B for Bulletins and read bulletin #1. That will describe the company's policies and tell you how to order. Unless you live in Freeport, Me., it will be a long distance call so I suggest you try it when long distance rates are low. If you want to talk with a human, you can reach T-Shirts Online via telephone at (207) 865-3077. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Copyright 1994 Prodigy Services Company. All Rights Reserved. Before some anti-capitalist flames me, just think of the possibilities... =======>Therefore, I.M.<======= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 24 06:14:43 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA10541; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 01:14:31 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA22891; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 00:13:11 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 00:13:11 -0600 Message-Id: <9411240631.AA16256@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sherih@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sheri Hendrickson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Tapes X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO DRC has a new tape out called "Earstravaganza" or something like that. Got it on sale at Cynesthesia's If you are interested in e-mail ordering tapes, feel free to mail me back at this account. To name a few...... ALEX: Snap DRC: Earstravaganza and Ritual Addiction ESP: Coincendence E-TONES: Flow EFEX: Solar, Plixx, and Disco Inferno MARK FARINA: To Grow In and Vol. 12-13 FOOD JUNKY with MC G.Q.: New and Old Rave Anthems HYPERACTIVE: vol. 7-8 KARL K: ...... KEOKI: Tangled in My Thoughts and Live at the Better Days MYSTIC BILL: Live at the Warehouse NIGEL RICHARDS: House Volumes 3-7 SHAWN: Morning Star and Dayspring SPEED DEMON: Demented Wrath & Netherworld SVEN VATH: Volumes 2-3 TRON: 27 Hits of Acid, Gabbercadabbra, and Fucking Ballistic CALIFORNIA PROJECT: a mega collection of 16 tapes of 8 djs including DRC, Trance, Vitamin D, Theo, Ron D. Core, Simply Jeff, etc. 24 hrs of music ..............and ton more!!!! This store also takes does special record orders and is a clausterphobic clothing store. * Tonight, we just recieved a shipment of Q - pants and Liquid Sky Design (dj Soulslinger's clothing line). CYNESTHESIA'S 617 W. Lake St. Minneapolis, MN 55408 (612) 824-7126 both phone and fax sherih@kitchen.mcad.edu Feel free to call or stop by when I work. I usually worked there in the afternoons until close. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 24 08:38:47 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id DAA13451; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 03:38:37 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id CAA27874; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 02:37:39 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 02:37:39 -0600 Message-Id: <199411240836.CAA27848@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: believe@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: xlarge To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: thnxgv'n git tagither X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >> >>okay, here's the scoop. >> >>on thanks giving eve: >> >>location:1825 n. astor (two or three blocks north of brady) >> >>from 7 or 8 pm till?? >> >>not really a party. so don't expect dj's. >> >>bring your own whatever you want. >> >> >> >>see ya there, >> >> xlarge >>believe@csd.uwm.edu what did you bring me daddy? >> well i brought you, death...... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 24 09:16:37 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA14249; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 04:16:30 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA28680; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 03:13:29 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 03:13:29 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: FUSION 2:underground comp vol 2 come&get it! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO of interest to the midwest scene: a phat new comp for ya... ++ e d 21/22 corp. e l e m e n t a l & thier recordings present: _____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____ / / \ | . | |__ ____ _____ ___ / | | | | | | | |/ \ / ---- -------------------- | \___/| ___ | | |_____| | | /_____ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- this is the second in a series of underground music compilations, featuring a variety of styles...in support of artists you might never hear otherwise. this volume includes eight artists: kingsize: taking you to a new realm of breaks litho: crunchy snappy detroit-style traxxx elliptical: melodic flowing trance for the mind monochrome: beats and breaks that form a flux titonton: takes you on a trip thru the house/traxx realm rithm: minimal nation new skool (todd~ incognito) ihannoa: syncopation for the tribal generation tintinnabulation: something like "trance" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- these are chrome biased tapes, mastered directly from DAT, 60 minutes in length. the tapes will be sold at cost(this is not for profit), which is five u.s. dollars plus one for shipping. i can only accept checks or money orders, made out to charles noel. send your orders to : ccode/monochrome(charles noel) 286 east 13th ave. columbus,OH 43201 phone: 614.299.9529 remember to tell me where to send your tape! ATTENTION: this account will not exist after 12/1/94. so if you have to axe any questions about the tape, or ordering, please send mail to: note: we are NOT affiliated with the infamous mr. fusion. thanks for YOUR support of the underground! (makes a great stocking stuffer...) outy5000-(Cro2) & ++e d From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 24 09:55:56 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA14443; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 04:55:51 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA29555; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 03:55:05 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 03:55:05 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: fiasco (detroit 11.26): update X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey y'all, dat (the promoter o fiasco) has made a couple o changes for his party. one: claude young will NOT be making it, he is still in europe unfortunately...BUT dat has hired DJ SHAKE who was claude young's TEACHER...(should be verrrrry interesting). two: due to a recent bust of the space at hastings he has moved the party to the packard plant. those needing directions simply call the infoline or go to the original location which will be a map point. i reeeeeeeeallllly hope to see some of u mf's inna house... ++ e d From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 24 11:01:02 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id GAA14840; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 06:00:52 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA00808; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 04:49:43 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 04:49:43 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: kids????? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO as kimberly smock was asking other ravers with kidz......i have a little girl named Tabitha Rae....she will be 3 next February 16th....she is fuckin awesome......me and her mom are split up for reasonz not having anything to do with the baby.....Tabitha lives in Los Angeles (where i just moved from a couple monthz ago).....before i moved i used to take care of her around 2 dayz a week.....it really sux not getting to see her every week, but it's kind of kewl in one way cause i get her for 2 months this winter.....most likely in december & january, unless i move back out to L.A. in January. just wanted to share that with you all cause she is like the SHIT....check this, i got her these little baby Doc's (if they were scaled to a grown-person they would be like 10 or 12-holes.......and it's like i know she's gonna be an anarchistic, smart-minded & smart-assed, atittude-havin, punk rock ravin little female that is gonna break all the little raver boyz heartz, cause she has my lookz and a lot of her momz too......check this she is like 1/4 Italian, 1/4 Sicilian, 1/4 hispanic (mexican), and like 1/4 Apache Indian.....damn tell me that Tabitha isn't just gonna be da little rave force-one ta deal wit alright i'm through......if i don't go back to Cali in January, give us a call at da InterLAB v-mail which is 414.256.1775 if you would like to come over to da Stowell House and meet da cutest little raver girl to grace the scene.. ....if i don't move I should be looking to fly out to L.A. to get around the middle of December.....also i will also be looking for some babysitterz while I am at work....i can't offer you much money if any at all, but i can promise a wonderful day with the future of da scene. PEACE LOVE & UNITY bLiTz a.k.a. SHANNON-----TEAR IT DOWN & LET THE TRUTH BEGIN!!! PEACE THROUGH ANARCHY!!! dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 24 11:06:33 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id GAA14866; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 06:06:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA00977; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 04:55:25 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 04:55:25 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Feast! Thanksgiving 1994 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Kelley and Krew Present: ______ ______ ____ ______ | ___>____/ __ \/ \/.tec. \ | |_/ () \ \_\ | \_||__||__| | _> <_____> __ |/-\ \ / \ | || \ || | \ | \ |__| \______/__||__|\______/_____//\ ________________________________> \ |________________________________ > When: Thanksgiving Evening > / Where: Call 414.777.3994 \/ Cost: $$$ Free Free Free $$$ * Bring Snacks & Music * ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 24 11:08:54 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id GAA14873; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 06:08:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA01148; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 04:57:55 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 04:57:55 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: n2o? Test 3! Party X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO NPS Cyberspace Presents: <----------------------> _______ n2o? ______ _______ < \ / >____/ \< \ / > \_/ \_/ o \__ \__/ \_/ \_/ | || \__/\ \ \ | | |_| \______|_____/ |_| ________ / _ \ | / \ | \/ _/ | |_ < /\ \ | | \_/ | \_______/ When: This Friday Where: 15 min. west of Milwaukee Cost: Free Call 414.777.3994 friday afternoon for info ** Open Tables so Bring your Records.. ** Supported by: SiN and Massive (we will be there!) or I think Matt mot Massive will be there! ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 24 11:27:56 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id GAA14961; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 06:27:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id FAA01762; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 05:16:57 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 05:16:57 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: kids????? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Awwe, that is sooooooo cute.. Sniffles of joy.. Best to ya Shannon.. I commend you on taking the responsablity of parenting at such young age.. lata John Sin Massive On Thu, 24 Nov 1994, InterLAB wrote: > as kimberly smock was asking other ravers with kidz......i have a little > girl named Tabitha Rae....she will be 3 next February 16th....she is fuckin > awesome......me and her mom are split up for reasonz not having anything to > do with the baby.....Tabitha lives in Los Angeles (where i just moved from > a couple monthz ago).....before i moved i used to take care of her around > 2 dayz a week.....it really sux not getting to see her every week, but it's > kind of kewl in one way cause i get her for 2 months this winter.....most > likely in december & january, unless i move back out to L.A. in January. > > just wanted to share that with you all cause she is like the SHIT....check > this, i got her these little baby Doc's (if they were scaled to a grown-person > they would be like 10 or 12-holes.......and it's like i know she's gonna be an > anarchistic, smart-minded & smart-assed, atittude-havin, punk rock ravin little > female that is gonna break all the little raver boyz heartz, cause she has my > lookz and a lot of her momz too......check this she is like 1/4 Italian, 1/4 > Sicilian, 1/4 hispanic (mexican), and like 1/4 Apache Indian.....damn tell me > that Tabitha isn't just gonna be da little rave force-one ta deal wit > > alright i'm through......if i don't go back to Cali in January, give us a call > at da InterLAB v-mail which is 414.256.1775 if you would like to come over > to da Stowell House and meet da cutest little raver girl to grace the scene.. > ....if i don't move I should be looking to fly out to L.A. to get around the > middle of December.....also i will also be looking for some babysitterz while > I am at work....i can't offer you much money if any at all, but i can promise > a wonderful day with the future of da scene. > > PEACE > > LOVE > > & UNITY > > bLiTz a.k.a. SHANNON-----TEAR IT DOWN & LET THE TRUTH BEGIN!!! > PEACE THROUGH ANARCHY!!! > > dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu > 414.256.1775 > > ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 24 16:12:44 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA18068; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:12:37 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA09192; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 10:11:22 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 10:11:22 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: graflin@iac.net Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Anthony Cosco To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Tape Trade Anyone? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > It would be nice if people really wanted a mix tape from me, that they would > wait until i released one... I don't really like mix tapes that have been > taped at a club or party (usually behind the dj's back) ... i think that the > people who are there at that moment are the ones who should be able to hear > that particular mix... those who are not there should not... I'm going to > make a mix tape especially for the car rides in my studio in the coming > months, so i'll let everyone know when its available..but don't waste your > money or time on things like FREEZ THE CHILDREN.... i nearly got frost > bite in my hands trying to mix at the damn party! > > R.Hawtin > Yes I think I understand where you are coming from, but I just love the music so much, and i don't think there are enough good mix tapes released by djs. peace Anthony Cosco graflin@iac.net p.s. I was at the party, waited around for you to spin but just couldn't stand the cold and left. That's why i bought the tape in the first place=) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 24 16:14:16 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA18090; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 11:14:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA09331; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 10:13:05 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 10:13:05 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: graflin@iac.net Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Anthony Cosco To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Turntables and All Natural X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Tue, 22 Nov 1994, david siska wrote: > > yep, gotta agree, acidic pyramid was a well-put-together event, even though > they had to cut off a stellar set by todd p. > > but, down to business... anthony cosco, the 1-800 number you posted for > illinois audio is now defunct. if you or someone would post further > information, i'd appreciate it. Hmmmm..... I got the number out of the 800 yellow pages. Maybe try calling information. peace Anthony Cosco graflin@iac.net From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 24 19:48:03 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA20828; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 14:47:39 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA19332; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:45:58 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 13:45:58 -0600 Message-Id: <9411241952.AA27311@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu (Jennifer Palmer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Pilgramage X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well.....I have to say IT WAS AWESOME.....except for bob-a-dob (who managed to mess up every song he spun).....and lots-o-netters I was suprised to see spaceboy *hi kyle* and the usual cinci crew was together except quest, whom not 20 min before we (triptonite, doc, and I) got to Pilgramage took off for raliegh .....Quest you missed a great party.....Derrick Carter was the SHIT! The netters who were there were great!!! becca got lots of pictures!!! and the DPN picts from UTOPIA were awesome!!! netters who were there were j2, becca, devin, doc, kyle, andrew, mike brown.....and if I forgot anyone sorry I just know that I danced my booty off! =) Hope everyone had/has a good thanksgiving!!! I'm OUT! Peace -- *Jennifer Palmer* aka Deadbeat jpalmer@nextsrv.cas.muohio.edu or palmerje@miavx1.muohio.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Nov 24 23:46:12 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA26001; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 18:45:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA26767; Thu, 24 Nov 1994 17:43:10 -0600 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 1994 17:43:10 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJUZNE41IQ000DSA@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: TAMBURKM@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: TAMBURKM@udavxb.oca.udayton.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: delete this test X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO test... k From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 25 15:07:18 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA05569; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 10:06:47 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA22651; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 09:05:35 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 09:05:35 -0600 Message-Id: <9411251503.AA07119@ch1d155swk.sbcoc.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: kurt_vile@il.us.swissbank.com (Kurt Vile) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 2 1200's fer sale X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey, I have 2 12's I'd like to sell umm $650 obo one is less than a year old the other is of unknown oldness they are both in good shape (imagine that) and spin well you can email me at vile@il.us.swissbank.com --Kurt From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 25 16:01:51 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA06328; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 11:01:26 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA26282; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 09:59:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 09:59:00 -0600 Message-Id: <199411251553.PAA10864@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: BLESSINGS review X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey, for $5, it was a good time. Neither Kurt nor Woody showed, as they were off to Europe the next morning, but everyone else was in attendance. About 200 people were there, and although there was plenty of N2O, most were dancing. Highlights included the big bouncing clown doll, Efex's and Terry's set (near the end). Lows (for me) were the fact that everyone started clearing out early (5-ish) and Mystic Bill's set. Those Cerwin Vega's have pretty responsive bass, but they can't handle the highs. I wish more DJ's would realize that. :-( Love Revolution, anyone? -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 25 17:56:49 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA07935; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 12:56:29 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA06114; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 11:54:45 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 11:54:45 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: barnetjr@ucunix.san.uc.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Jenifer A Barnett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: it is a movement... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO it is a movement of awakening our primal energy to prepare us for a new intelligence we gather from the smallest towns and largest cities to celebrate the journey of life ---h.o.p.e. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 25 18:55:46 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA08625; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 13:55:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA10714; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 12:52:03 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 12:52:03 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mudd@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: SpaceFunk To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: journey in detroit... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Sound was phat. They set the place up real nice despite the problems they were having with the owner of the plant. Jungle room was crazy.. Crowd was kind of shady, but they cleared out by 3 am. 15 bones was a little steep for somthing like this, but I had a good time. Hope to see everyone at faisco.... -plur Raph __________________________________________________________________________ _ mudd@um.cc.umich.edu < > \___/ ^+ +^ ' \_/ ' "God will bless you if you belive" ] / \ [ -Eddie 'Flashin' Fowlkes \|/ (|) + + __________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 25 20:05:49 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA09745; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 15:05:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA16886; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 14:00:06 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 14:00:06 -0600 Message-Id: <9411251958.AA08203@midway.uchicago.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: psenet@midway.uchicago.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: psenet@midway.uchicago.edu (powdered toastman) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: The Lesser of Two Loves X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey everybody! I've been off the air for a little while. It's been a tough couple of weeks here at the UofC. But thats over now. Hope all your thanksgivings were groovy, i know mine was. Turkey, stuffing, pumpkin pie mmmmmmmmmmmmm. Anyways, b/c i've been unsubbed for a while, i dont know whats up this weekend. Whats the word on the two Love's in Chi? Who's going to what? Sounds like Univesal Love has the bigger spread, but we all know that doesnt count. toastman :-) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 25 22:11:43 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA11839; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 17:11:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA28153; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 15:56:00 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 15:56:00 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: steve@chaos.mcs.mu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Steve Kaczkowski To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: The Muskego Gathering... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Sun, 20 Nov 1994, beatpunk wrote: > A fun time it was indeed, soooooo thrilled am I when small things go off > without a hitch. > > >Here is my little input on that rad ass party that NPS Cyberspace threw > >at some unexpecting "parents who left their kids at home"'s house! For > >one the vibe was good. I mean everyone was in a good mood. NO ONE was > >bitchy and everyone just got along so well. I think the whole, "Well we > >aren't in CHicago for some reason, so lets make the best of it!" mood > >was on. > > Vibes. :) > > Malcolm was also quite the shit. > > >To be honest, this party was a n2o party! TIS (tripper info > >sys.) came up and did a live set which was rad. The drugs were few, > > I COVET his drum machine. > > >just a tank o' nitrous that was blurring every other 30 seconds. To be > > And some pipes. > > >honest this party was like a giant chill out party.. Some danced but most > >just met people, hung out, and sucked on a balloon all night. I really > >don't have anything against the nitrous thing, because well it just > >seemed that it was the proper place for it. Everyone was just so into > >meeting everyone else. I have to say, small parties are where it is at... > > No fuckin shit. Not just small, but friendly-small, and everybody was in a > good mood, and everybody was just not being an asshole, and that's great. > > >They all seem stupid now, but at the time, we were rolling on the floor... > > MMM was a trip. :) > So was this actually in Muskego, Wi or what? Strange.. I live there.. didn't hear about it... Probably cuz I was in Chicago(Bah. Chicago has been written off).... Was there something posted about it, or just a word of mouth thing?? Lates.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Life is short, Death is for sure. Steve Kaczkowski Sin is the cause, Christ is the cure.." Pfffffft... steve@chaos.mcs.mu.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 25 22:27:53 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA12073; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 17:27:38 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA29879; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 16:18:22 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 16:18:22 -0600 Message-Id: <199411252213.WAA24392@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: The Muskego Gathering... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Steve Kaczkowski: >Probably cuz I was in Chicago(Bah. Chicago has >been written off).... That weekend in Chicago was Acidic Pyramyd. I (and everyone I talked to) had a very good time there. What didn't you like about it? -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 25 23:21:39 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA12877; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 18:21:20 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA04243; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 17:15:17 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 17:15:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199411252314.AA110555241@merle.acns.nwu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: shum@merle.acns.nwu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: shum@merle.acns.nwu.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: universal love X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i think everyone should attend universal love... u will hear for the first time the debut of the "CHA anthem" on acetate... believe me you will want to be there for that. mike From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Fri Nov 25 23:54:43 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA13837; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 18:54:17 -0500 Received: from (root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA03870; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 17:51:32 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 17:51:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199411252340.XAA28203@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Tape Trade Anyone? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Richie Hawtin: >It would be nice if people really wanted a mix tape from me, that they would >wait until i released one... I don't really like mix tapes that have been >taped at a club or party (usually behind the dj's back) ... i think that the >people who are there at that moment are the ones who should be able to hear >that particular mix... those who are not there should not... In my experience, it depends on the DJ. Some don't mind. Personally, I don't have any turntables or fancy stereo gear, so all my music is made up of mixtapes. I don't have the money at this point to start spending the huge amounts of money on vinyl that I know I'd want. For people looing to get their hands on some of Richie's mixing, I'd suggest checking out a CD entitled X-MIX-3 (K7 records, k7@contrib.de). Over 70 minutes of a whole buncha' tracks mixed by either Richie or John Aquaviva. >I'm going to >make a mix tape especially for the car rides in my studio in the coming >months, so i'll let everyone know when its available.. That's something I feel a _lot_ of people would be interested in. Please do! -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 26 06:14:59 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA19304; Sat, 26 Nov 1994 01:14:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA11382; Sat, 26 Nov 1994 00:13:41 -0600 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 00:13:41 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJX0SYP8YA99GRRI@delphi.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: HYDRA@delphi.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: HYDRA@delphi.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: An Appology! from Josh. !#! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Wow! First, an apology, sorry to EVERYBODY in the last month and a half (was it that long) who emailed me... I am BACK! The front end i use to talk to you folks stopped working (didn't send that registration) and my busy schedule prevented me from solving the problem till now. Good to see that everybody is still going strong, my mailbox had 1062 pieces of unread mail, guess i'll be busy. If anybody sent anything that needs a definate reply, PLEASE resend it, it would be greatly appreciated, since i may not be able to read every piece. Gosh, i've missed you guys, i feel so out of touch. Is anybody going to be at "We The People" in Louisville, KY tomorrow???? If so... make SURE you give me a call before you go, or when you get here... call at (502) 458 -5160, (502) 458-5160, or (502) 897-7247, and ask for Josh... Be espically polite at the last one, it's my work, where i will spend most of my day tomorrow. Please CALL if your coming, i would love to meet up, i haven't even been on since Xanadu, so i don't know whos around and such. In fact, if your not going, call anyway, i like phone calls from out of town people. :) Well, regardless, I'm back, and hope to get into the groove of things before too long, no to get reading on all that mail... love to all, josh (quik) -><- hydra@delphi.com -><- l-krew is back. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 26 06:32:22 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA19754; Sat, 26 Nov 1994 01:32:11 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA10509; Fri, 25 Nov 1994 23:30:42 -0600 Date: Fri, 25 Nov 1994 23:30:42 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: marmoset@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dave Walker To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ADD to calendar: BREACH in Detroit (12/9) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO posted by request: BURST Inc. Presents B R E A C H Friday, December 9 - Detroit - 11 PM brand new *unique* space DJ's ---- Juan Atkins Stacey Pullen Alton Miller D Wynn James Covert Action Jackson Ambient Room ------------ Eric Haupt Amnesia Ian Clark for location information, call the BURST line: (313) 255-7757 Leave your name and info to be placed on the BURST mailing list. Also coming up... Urge -- Saturday, December 17 and Reside -- Friday, December 23 ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker marmoset@msen.com new frontiers in pleasure management Dave Walker From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 26 07:44:07 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA21113; Sat, 26 Nov 1994 02:43:58 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA12878; Sat, 26 Nov 1994 01:42:59 -0600 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 01:42:59 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: plastik@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Plus 8 Records To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Keoki in Akron? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Does anyone know the scoop on this party?, or am i just hearing voices? What's the info line and who else is spinning? Also, isn't there a pretty good record store in Cleveland?, or am i once again just hearing voices? Can someone set me straight before 1 p.m. saturday!!?? Thanks, matthew h. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 26 14:36:54 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id JAA23621; Sat, 26 Nov 1994 09:36:43 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA17177; Sat, 26 Nov 1994 08:35:41 -0600 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 08:35:41 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Feast, Test 3 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Sorry this all just didn't work as planed. *Feast* went like this.. Some 10 people met at the house, and went out to dinner. It was fun.. *Test3* got fucked up. The parents were aware of what was going on, so they decided to forget the pubic thing, and made it invite only. Even though sound was rented and shit. ANyways, we all ended up going to a party in Il. It was Tripper Information Systems party. It was a good time.. Nice to meet everyone.. Later John .SIn. Massive. ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 26 16:13:10 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA25122; Sat, 26 Nov 1994 11:12:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA18691; Sat, 26 Nov 1994 10:12:02 -0600 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 10:12:02 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: evolve@iglou.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Tim Ramsey To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Keoki in Akron? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Sat, 26 Nov 1994, Plus 8 Records wrote: > Does anyone know the scoop on this party?, or am i just > hearing voices? What's the info line and who else is spinning? > > Also, isn't there a pretty good record store in Cleveland?, or > am i once again just hearing voices? > > Can someone set me straight before 1 p.m. saturday!!?? > > Thanks, > > matthew h. > > > There is a party in Akron with Keoki, James Christian and a bunch of cleve, and akron djs. We have a Utopia booth there and Sean from get smart is doing a smart bar. As for record stores there is Deep records in cleveland, also Scott Forbush has a really wicked store inside club trilogy with mass imports, especially hard trance and gabber but lots of other stuff too. Store hours are the same as the club's, you really ought to check it out if possible. peace tim ImSmartRU/Evolution From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 26 22:45:37 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA01401; Sat, 26 Nov 1994 17:45:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA26956; Sat, 26 Nov 1994 16:44:01 -0600 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 16:44:01 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJXZERY0QS987DM5@delphi.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: HYDRA@delphi.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: HYDRA@delphi.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: WE THE PEOPLE X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO WE THE PEOPLE. BE there! to clarify the flyer Archon posted: The Queen is not at (502) 458 5160... She is just a good friend of the guy doing to party. That number is CEP, josh (quik), etc, we did the graphics for the party... As i posted earlier, if your coming in from outta town, give me a CALL! We are having a roving-raving-moving pre-party, everyone is invited, and we will find something to do, if not just meet and hangout etc. peace and love. josh (quik). CEP hydra@delphi.com -><- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sat Nov 26 23:03:19 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA01654; Sat, 26 Nov 1994 18:03:07 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA27485; Sat, 26 Nov 1994 17:02:10 -0600 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 1994 17:02:10 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MiCKeY HoNMyHR To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: sinergy- snail mail X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey ya'll!!! COME UP TO FARGO ON DEC. 10th!!!!! why?? cuz there is gonna be a soopah rad event that i am doing and it is free for you!!! yep that is correct.. please e-mail me with your snail mail addresses so i can get passes out ok? love ya'll oodles and oodles mouse ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- M I C K E Y H O N M Y H R "i think he said stand together" - beastie boys ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- honmyhr@mhd1.moorhead.msus.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 27 10:40:55 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id FAA09414; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 05:40:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA08309; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 04:39:50 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 04:39:50 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJYOF4CIDE9D7ERF@delphi.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: HYDRA@delphi.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: HYDRA@delphi.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: We The People, After Comments X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I just got back from We The People, and as always, while i should be dead tired, that vibe is still flowing thru, so here is a post... I liked it alot, compared to larger events in places like St. Louis or Chicago, this wasn't much, but for Louisville, KY.. I think it was a good think, nice to see some people i have known forever put something together like that. >From my point of view (that of a 'local' who knew prolly half the crowd) the vibe was fucking great, but i cannot really speak for those of you who came in for the party. I saw katerina (thanks for saying hi.. and "Hi" to you), and some friends of mine from out of town who were not netravers... Was anybody else down there (ohh.. I know Maxximum was down, sorry i didn't have a chance to talk to you guys, i was all over the place) Visuals, done by a good group, inovative (being that i do live visuals myself i probably am more partial to that factor), and just plain neat... Woulda been better with two screens though. Lights, Sound, Etc by Maxximum, as always was great. Music-wise, what can i say, when i am having fun, anything will do, but what stood out was Ben Man (Friend of mine), Jeremy Reese, and I really Liked Jon (Blazt)'s opening, although his dance type stuff seems to get boring to me after a while. The only sad thing i have to say is that apparently Steve (Do-Si-Do Productions) lost some money on this one, i know he wasn't expecting to make much, but it's a shame when a setback like that occurs... Either way, i think everybody who came out was great, and he seemed very happy with the whole thing, which was a nice thing to see. peace, love, etc etc... :) josh (quik) (yup, i walked in with my quart o' quik as usual) CEP - L-krew hydra@delphi.com -><- love ya. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 27 19:05:56 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA14823; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 14:05:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA15803; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 13:02:42 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 13:02:42 -0600 Message-Id: <9411271901.AA11347@picard.cs.wisc.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jovian@cs.wisc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: jovian@cs.wisc.edu (Jon Yankovich) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Mobile Raving (Audio Help) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hello, net.rave friends (whom I can never EVER locate whenever I manage to find a party close enough to Madison, WI)... 'tis jovian, with a few ?'s: I just purchased a 500W (peak) amplifier for my car by some anonymous company known as 'USA'. Now, I need to find speakers capable of handeling the 250Ws (peak per channel) that are going to be boomin' out my trunk. Can anyone recommend a configuration for me? The speakers don't have to be super-quality, just decent, as the amp is by no means pioneer or blaupunkt quality. I'm hoping to get a couple of 15"s or something to that effect, with enclosures. My truck matches that of an 88 Chevy Nova, if anyone knows enough about system and cars to recommend an enclosure too. If anyone knows of a place that does good mail order with this sort of thing, please-o-please tell me. Or, retailers are okay too, if they're near Madison, WI (<1hr drive). -jon p.s. - I know my description of the amp has it's shortcomings. When I find the info again, i'll post/mail it to whomever can help. Much appriciation. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 27 19:11:17 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA14860; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 14:10:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA16059; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 13:08:10 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 13:08:10 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJZ42OOCHU8WXDX7@lawrence.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: Michael.T.Ingala@lawrence.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "JAIL:MARIJUANA'S ONLY BAD EFFECT" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: universal love X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO did anyone go to universal love...i know you did so why hasn't anybody reviewed it yet. do you think taking lots of drugs and dancing for hours and then driving hours to get home is any excuse to be sleeping right now? whatever. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 27 19:22:48 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id OAA15022; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 14:22:38 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA16423; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 13:18:33 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 13:18:33 -0600 Message-Id: <941127141712_7995590@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: IMalbon@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: IMalbon@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Yr Lil' Detroit Update... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hope everyone made it through the holidays intact. It's been a good long weekend for me. Maybe too long. It's Sunday and I'm in "rest and recovery" mode. Anyway, a couple quick reviews: Journey Through the Hardcore Phase III ==> PRO: The "godfathers" are still proving that they are not slipping behind the curve in the Detroit underground...they pretty much *are* the curve. Hastings got an interesting facelift--with at least 6 8mm projectors running *very* interesting loops. :) Great new room discovered and used to maximum advantage. Interesting lighting in the chill room. Somebody dropped some money on this one. Very diverse crowd--House/Ambient/and Techno tribes. CON: $15 events should remain rare. Anyone discovering the techno room was treated to mind-numbing hardcore, and a hefty dose of ear-damage. Juan was making a statement. FIASCO ==> Talked to DAT last week after Bite, and he seemed worried about this one going off. No need to worry--Packard drew better than 500 over the course of the evening. Fiasco was very strange, probably a party you either loved or hated. *Very* stripped down and basic. 2 rooms. 4 wheels. 4 speakers. 6 lights. 0 toilets. 0 smart drinks. 50 degrees Fahrenheit. And your favorite hits from the 70s and 80s!! PRO: A lot of interesting trax I had not heard for a LONG time. D.J. Shake was brought back from semi-retirement to thrill the crowd just like back in the day ("Strings of Life"? we-heh-hell now that brings back memories...) And the Heckle & Jeckle tag team gig can be really fun to watch! CON: Kinda quiet if you weren't right in front of the stacks. :) Musta been very cold behind the tables. Everybody who spun was blowing on their fingers hard, and there were a lot of slips. And the space had an unstructured "make your own fun" feel to it. Very funky vibe to be licked up in the jazz (chill?) room. What started with some classic be-bop degenerated into "Love Rollercoaster" by 3am. (I actually kinda dug it.) So the season kicks into high gear. Looking forward to "contact" 12.03 and "fuk" 12.10. Make the road trip. These two should be good'uns. [::::::::::::::::::::] Therefore, I.M. [::::::::::::::::::::::::] [:::::::::::::::] IMalbon@aol.com [:::::::::::::::::::] [:::::::] "Pulsora mutantur, nos et mutamur in illis." [::::::::] From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 27 21:03:26 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA16519; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 16:03:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA18681; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 15:01:13 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 15:01:13 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: hcmk@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Holly Macdonald - Korth To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Yr Lil' Detroit Update... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= t r e e t o w n f a m i l e e m a s s i v e hcmk@umich.edu mission control: 810.746.3338 *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* On Sun, 27 Nov 1994 IMalbon@aol.com wrote: > So the season kicks into high gear. Looking forward to "contact" > 12.03 and "fuk" 12.10. Make the road trip. These two should be > good'uns. YOU KNOW IT...baby... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 27 21:44:20 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA17129; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 16:44:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA19709; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 15:42:07 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 15:42:07 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jjhelton@indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: doc To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Pilgramage X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO BOB-A-DOB SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but other than that the party was pretty cool. derrick,miles, and dbx were all great. especially derrick. besides bein' one of the best djs around... he's also one of the coolist and funniest guys i know. WAIT... i forgot to mention FOG FOG FOG FOG FOG FOG FOG FOG FOG FOG ack there was so much fog there that you could not see five inches in front of your face. did i mention that BOB-A-DOB SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!! KEEP GROOVIN' DOC From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 27 22:04:44 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA17415; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 17:04:36 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA20376; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 16:03:22 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 16:03:22 -0600 Message-Id: <941127170231_8090312@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: "We the People" in Louisville X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Ouch, I am hurt. Ok,the site was a large skating ring with woodend floors. Nice place except the acoustic ceiling tiles which created some problems with the sound system during the event. The sound : 4 concert stacks per side in the front. The lights : 2 I-beams + 1 viper in the front per side 5 dataflashes + 1 God light on a alumium pyramid. The visuals : 1 screen on the side in the front The sound : I never used 8 stacks at a party. It scared me. Every time the bass hit, a shock wave was fucking girls big hair due. Matt (Bam Bam) spent 2 hours siting in front of the bass bins. (bam bam : "I never had a body massage like this") The lights : Bruce wrote some good programs. I tried to write a couple steps, but I was not in the mood. The visual : Kenneth Woodruff and Chris Lee (Anode) tag teams the whole night. I highly recommend those two guys to do visuals. (Chris lee e-mail : AnodeBam@aol.com) The DJs : The first two DJ where really good. Started a very good vibe. (don't remember there name) then Jemery Reese came on w/ some funky break beat. It was good, but I guess people in Louisville did not appreciate him. Then John Blazt. Stop the music. He ripped the shit. Joel followed and did also a good job. After that, I don't know I took a nap in the truck. When I came back, Casey of Knoxville was spin. Bruce decided to turn up the volume and ended up blowing 2 fuses. The vibe : I think it was kind of week. Wished it was better. The coolest thing that happend : every one that was there at the end of the party ended up roller skating, even me which was my first time. Crash course. I learn to skate but I paid the price : a lot of skin colouration from red to dark blue. Peace and out. French E Music is my religion, what is yours ? Know your limits. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 27 22:12:07 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA17613; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 17:12:01 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA20630; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 16:10:25 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 16:10:25 -0600 Message-Id: <941127170850_8094033@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: for Tim Ramsey X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO My mini Ultra scan 200 msd should be fixed sometime this week. I finally found enought mopney to get them fixed. at least 8 of them should be working. See you From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sun Nov 27 22:50:31 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA18281; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 17:50:22 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA21654; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 16:47:58 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 16:47:58 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJZBM9WFTK8WXOQW@lawrence.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: Michael.T.Ingala@lawrence.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "JAIL:MARIJUANA'S ONLY BAD EFFECT" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: party in cleveland X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i have a friend who went to that party in Cleveland last night. You know, the one with keoke. Anyhow, he said that the party sucked pretty bad. First off, the e that was going around was $30 (pretty high priced as far as i'm concerned, $25 should be tops) and it was pretty much bunk. The vibe at the party was also pretty bad...he explained it to me as " it seemed like everybody was just waiting around for something to happen and nothing ever happened." To top off the shittyness of the party, Keoki didn't spin until 4:00 and i guess he wasn't all that good. Keoki missed the first 2 or 3 mixes by a long shot and then my friend left. i guess that talking shit about parties that i didn't even go to isn't really a good thing but i trust my friend enough that i figured i'd let ya know the story. peace and rave the muthafuck on- mike From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 00:46:17 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA20138; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 19:46:02 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA24449; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 18:44:54 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 18:44:54 -0600 Message-Id: <9411280044.AA01913@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Shawn DeVries) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Universal Slugs X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, I have to say that Universal Love was pretty friggin rad.... Free Art Phil poked his big head in for this one (haven't seen him in a while). Good to see all of my friends back home. Finally met Sascha, rad! Easy on the rubber gloves though, hon! Well, like always. Drugs were all around. Welcome home, I suppose. I suppose I just have been away from it for a long time. hmmm The space was rad. The marble floor display was a great touch and a rad dancing surface. I'm sorry, but Traxx is the best f*cking house DJ in Chicago. I've never seen anyone hype the crowd up so much and just smooth out his mixes like buttah on toast. The boy is rad! I do like jungle. I really do. BUT I was getting sick of hearing a half-assed MC (not JJ Jellybean, etc.) from Toronto. This was the other dude. Wild Child is the first MC that I've really gotten into. DJ Mystical Influence was kinda dry. i'm usually not all that critical about breaks DJ's, but at least make it interesting! Try scratching or sampling or something. the stuff he was spinning was really choppy too.....oh well.....whattya want for nothin' ? There was a really good jungle DJ in the second room that went on after JJ Jellybean that was just skilled! the boy was cutting and scratching like a butcher with the chicken pox. whew! All in all a good time. I'm glad I got to help out with selling t-shirts and tapes for Jsquared. Anytime, man..... Well, next up is Chicago's New Years Bash. rad.......see ya there, that is, unless I go to Milwaukee but why would I go THERE?? :) (p.s. Shannon uses her body to sell t-shirts!!!! :) -Shawn p.p.s.......Thanks for showing up, BRAD.. :) I HAD your tapes with me Now, I have to MAIL them. Good going! hey Jayvee: I'm making your tapes as we speak (or type, as te case may be) , ______________________________________________________________________________ misfit-baloo-------shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu-------Shawn M. DeVries we are all in the same family Purdue University's proud representative of the Raving Engineers ______________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 00:57:34 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA20308; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 19:57:26 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA24788; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 18:56:30 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 18:56:30 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Zero - 11.28.94 sunday - Milwaukee X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Okay, you all.. There is a spur of the moment party being thrown by some people I know... In a milwaukee Warehouse! So come on out and enjoy... Dj - Mister Bill and others Numbers to call.. To find out information dial: 414.777.EXTC and then hit 0. THis is a FREE PARTY! Brought to you by some really nice guys.. REMEMBER THE UNDERGROUND IS MASSIVE! JOhn SiN Massive ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 01:11:36 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA20567; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 20:11:29 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA25246; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 19:10:17 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 19:10:17 -0600 Message-Id: <01HJZGFM4JWY8Y5XXQ@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CAMMARAT@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Tigger (Anthony G Cammarata) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: UnIvERsal LovE X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I had a great time. wonderful. Jungle. Jungle. Jungle. to quote Stu Shea "Tigger, you are not the man you were 6 months ago" JUNGLE. The first MC who kept stopping things was alright, but the OTHER guy was RAD AS SHIT....jungle... Saw a lot of people...got to know a few REAL well (Diva: Tigger, it's 5:30...we gotta go Tigger: AAAAARGH!!!!! NO! SHIT SHIT SHIT!!!) 3rd party: that damn grin again) Jungle. I worked my ass into a frenzy, had a wonderful time...it was gREAt to be back in the city..drugs were present, but the E price was WAY WAY down, and I guess quality is back up....good for the scene, good for the scene...Chciago is a great place, I miss it sometimes, 'specially when a party like this comes along.... Tigger (glow glow glow little glow worm) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 03:24:33 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA24051; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 22:24:00 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA28012; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 21:22:26 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 21:22:26 -0600 Message-Id: <941127220956_8299898@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: AnodeBAM@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: AnodeBAM@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: visuals at We The People X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO HYDRA@delphi.com wrote: > >Visuals, done by a good group, inovative (being that i do live >visuals myself i probably am more partial to that factor), and > just plain neat... Woulda been better with two screens though. > Thanks for the compliments. My partner & I are just getting started with the live visual thing. We did our first gig at my party "Faith" in Nashville a few weeks ago. I've been doing graphics for several years now... We'll be doing visuals at Evolution in Louisville on Dec. 3rd. check it out... Also, we offered 2 screens at WTP, but Steve opted for a single screen, probably due to budgetary issues. chris anode (anode popgrafix & engineered experiences) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 03:56:57 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA25021; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 22:56:41 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA28955; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 21:55:09 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 21:55:09 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: fiasco... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO well, it was COLDDDDDDDDD this party reminded me (unfortunately) of FREEZE THE CHILDREN (which was actually called FEED the children but it was so cold everybody made fun of it) in cinci last jan... but other than this it was as i predicted...so underground it might have well been in the basement. shake shook, huck hooked up, brian gill jazzed, dat had a micro-set, heckle & jeckle took us to new heights...a.r.s. was disorganized but interesting (esp feedback video visuals courtesy of ram o.s.), and ~sines belled the end of the night... detroit: if you havent come, you'll NEVER understand. this is where the music was BORN, and where it is MADE... end of story ++ e d shout outs to holly, sam, dave walk, d wynn, shake, frankie, garrick, himadri, ian, john boys(heh), huck, katheryn gor, everyone else... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 04:38:28 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA25910; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 23:38:02 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA00373; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 22:35:58 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 22:35:58 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: plastik@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Plus 8 Records To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: party in cleveland X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Party in Akton.....it sounded like an adventure to me. Headed to DEEP records before hand to check things out. Cool place, great people. Thanks to Steve.... The Party....????....as michael said it was like everybody was waiting around for something, but nothing was happening. Sound? It could of done with ALOT MORE! Vibe? I looked but must have missed it.... Nice location though and the back ambient room was VERY chill. People were friendly but wasn't enough from stopping us from leaving at 2 a.m to cruise back to Detroit for Fiasco. Arrived @ 5 a.m. things were still happening, and most people seemed happy, perhaps alittle cold but the Packard isn't known for it's warmth! Heard Todd Sines' live show was interesting...and that's about all. About the black plastic and tunnels, i can say only one word.. ...SPASTIK....... but maybe there's no where around it because i think it permanently reproduces itself at the Packard. food for thought.... matthew h. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 04:41:35 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA25987; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 23:41:20 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA00599; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 22:39:48 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 22:39:48 -0600 Message-Id: <199411280434.EAA14046@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: fiasco... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >well, it was COLDDDDDDDDD >this party reminded me (unfortunately) of FREEZE THE CHILDREN (which was >actually called FEED the children but it was so cold everybody made fun >of it) in cinci last jan... > >but other than this it was as i predicted...so underground it might have >well been in the basement. shake shook, huck hooked up, brian gill >jazzed, dat had a micro-set, heckle & jeckle took us to new heights...a.r.s. >was disorganized but interesting (esp feedback video visuals courtesy of >ram o.s.), and ~sines belled the end of the night... > >detroit: if you havent come, you'll NEVER understand. Oooooh yeeeeeeeah. Worth the drive from wherever you come from. If you haven't been to a Detroit party, then _please_ consider it. Fuk is coming up on the 10th, and I have absolutely no reservations about recommending this... especially since I don't make a habit of suggesting places to go to people. Different kinda' vibe, different kinda' scene, different kinda' music -- and all of them far better than anyplace I've been. Maybe that just means I haven't been to enough places. I dunno. But I sure like it! :-) -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 04:50:21 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA26105; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 23:50:10 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA01000; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 22:48:04 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 22:48:04 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: plastik@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Plus 8 Records To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: fiasco... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Sun, 27 Nov 1994, Craig L. Stodolenak wrote: > >detroit: if you havent come, you'll NEVER understand. > > Oooooh yeeeeeeeah. Worth the drive from wherever you come from. If you > haven't been to a Detroit party, then _please_ consider it. Fuk is coming > up on the 10th, and I have absolutely no reservations about recommending > this... especially since I don't make a habit of suggesting places to go to > people. Different kinda' vibe, different kinda' scene, different kinda' > music -- and all of them far better than anyplace I've been. > > Maybe that just means I haven't been to enough places. I dunno. But I > sure like it! :-) > > -- > Craig L. Stodolenak > archon@acid.com > > > A note to all....................... FUK ....................... on Dec. 10, 1994 is now called............................................................. ------ JAKED ------ info to follow soon, matthew h From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 05:02:15 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA26325; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 00:01:58 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA01396; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 22:58:26 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 22:58:26 -0600 Message-Id: <199411280422.UAA11816@netcom20.netcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ericmc@netcom.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ericmc@netcom.com (Eric) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Universal Love X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO All I can say is... WOW. I was blown away. First, it was really nice to meet everyone, especially the junglists. ;) I was in chicago visiting from Denver, and it was nice to hear some really good jungle. We don't get much of that there. I even thought the MCs were a nice touch, which had the potential of being cheesy, but it wasn't. The space was SO FUN. Great old building with lots of equipment and debris inside. My kind of place, really. The way the lights from outside fell through the broken out windows was really beautiful. The main room was really HOT, but it didn't take much to go outside into the chill out space for a quick frost. The use of candles to dimly light the chill out area was great. I'm horrible with DJ names (out of my element) but I didn't hear a bad set. THe house early in the morning (after 5:30?) was especially uplifting. I made a very special friend at the event which propelled this to the beloved "FAVORITE RAVE" status. Again, it was nice to meet many of you mw-ravers during my trip. You guys have a great VIBE out here. :) Love, Eric (Denver) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 05:33:48 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA26949; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 00:33:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA02394; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 23:30:40 -0600 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 23:30:40 -0600 Message-Id: <199411280529.AAA00417@piglet.INS.CWRU.Edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: fh019@cleveland.Freenet.Edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: fh019@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Schwartz) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: [emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu: Forwarded mail...] X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ================= Begin forwarded message ================= From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu (Multiple recipients of list) Subject: Forwarded mail... Date: Wed, 23 Nov Sandra sent this to me on another account and told me to froward it to the list. Enjoy... - stevenJ ___________________________________________________________________________ Forwarded message: > >From fh019@eeyore.INS.CWRU.Edu Sat Nov 19 09:13:06 1994 remote from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu > Received: from eeyore.INS.CWRU.Edu (root@eeyore.INS.CWRU.Edu [129.22.8.17]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id JAA06836 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 09:13:05 -0600 > Received: (fh019@localhost) by eeyore.INS.CWRU.Edu (8.6.8.1+cwru/CWRU-2.1-bsdi) > id KAA01779; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 10:13:03 -0500 (from fh019) > Message-Id: <199411191513.KAA01779@eeyore.INS.CWRU.Edu> > Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 10:13:03 -0500 > From: fh019@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Schwartz) > To: aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu > Subject: Ohio area partees > Reply-To: fh019@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Sandra Schwartz) > X-Status: > Sender: aragorn > > As a favor to some people who don't have accounts yet, I'm going > to try to post these events... > Thank-You > sandra xoxoxoxoxoxo > > > Sing Song Promotions Present a Monthly Party > held every last THURSDAY of the month called > * MAJIQ * starting DECEMBER 29th 1994 > > confirmed DJ's > - Terry Mullen (chicago) > - Capper (manchester, UK) > - Sista Spinsta (cleveland) > > added features: > fashion show & boutique > (Vagabond, columbus) > hair by David Armstrong > of Planet 10 (cleve) > > Body piercing appointments made by > David Anthony of Chain Link Addiction > (cleveland) > In house tatoos by J&L Tatoo > (ashtabula) > > Hosted by Miss Gay Cleveland > *Jennifer Phillips* > & club diva Sandy Maslanka > > Location: 1575 Merwin ave. (in the flats) > Addmiss: 21+ $5 18-21 $8 > > for mo info 216.397.1368 > *************************************************************** > *************************************************************** > > REALITY IS LIMITED > IMAGINATION IS BOUNDLESS.......... > > <<<*IMAGINE*>>> > one love one nation one groove > > CLEVELAND, OHIO 12.10.94 > > Audio Atmosphere: > > MYSTIC BILL- Chicago's house preservation > society > JAJO- St.Louis > SLEEPY C- eternal/psychoactive > TREVOR LAMONT- Delaware > ASTROBOY- St.Louis > 7-UP - eternal/attik > > more info soon...... > call ETERNAL 216.491.4527 > surprise sooper specail guest... > > ****************************************************************** > ****************************************************************** > > DEEP RECORDS and COUNTER CULTURE present > ***DEEP INSIDE*** > (cleveland) > Every Saturday (ruling danceweekly) > > DJ's: > Sleepy-C > Tots > Dan Curtin > Damn It > Spencer > > -----for mo info & directions > call DEEP RECORDS > 216.382.3101 > > Showcase underground dance music talent from > both US and abroad > > 620 Frankfurt > between West 6 and West 9 streets > look 4 the banner > Cleveland Ohio > > ******************************************************** > ***************************************************************** > ******************************************************** > > ETERNAL PEACE TRIBE > > %!%!%%!%%%!*********WELCOME*********!%%%!%%!%!% > 0.11.26.94.0 > > in Akron , Ohio info/location 216.971.9010 > > KEOKI (nyc) > JAMES CHRISTIAN (nyc) > SYNAPSE (eternal peace tribe/akron) > ODYSSEY (subb/eternal- toronto) > SLEEPY-C (psychoactive/eternal- cleveland) > ALGO-RYTHM (subb - toronto) > on the chill deck THADE'DAS > supported by Mike and Larry > > Surrond Sound** Atmospheric Lighting > ^by Clockwerk > Smart Bar by Get Smart > Film Loops by Subteranean Blacklight Studios > 2 rooms 2 chill > > Tickets: > DEEP RECORD @!^>#*@>#!)! > 216.382.3101 > ARSENIC and OLD LACE > @!^>$#$>(#%) > 216.434.9350 > World RECORDS 614.297.7900 > SLACKER 412.381.3911 > > This will be a no DONUT party..Location to be released just > a few days before the event..Due to limited capacity tickets > will be on sale NOV. 14,1994. There will be plenty of room > to crash for those who are traveling...Just bring your own > Blankety and PillOWSS, ETC.... > > > THANX > > From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 07:04:35 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA27911; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 02:04:24 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA05127; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 01:03:15 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 01:03:15 -0600 Message-Id: <9411280701.AA23027@student2.cl.msu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: gorellka@student.msu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Katherine Gwynn Gorell" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: fiasco....and friends. :) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i can honestly say that i haven't ever felt so at home at a party ever. being there with friends made all the difference. :) special friends that i just met, and plan on having more rendez-vous avec in the futur.... :) my little brother will be the best dj ever. :) i get happy. oh so happy sometimes. no drugs. just jazz. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah! yeah. this is it. keep it coming. minimal is good. :* to: kate, rob, mom, and all the rad-o-rama ohio krew! i love all y'all and if you're reading this ed.... tell shalom that my brother has a *crush* on her! :)! sooooo cute. looking forward to that fusion2 tape! so send it.... luna. :P From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 07:26:28 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA28080; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 02:24:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA05675; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 01:22:59 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 01:22:59 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: s0176326@cc.ysu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: TROUT SOUP To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: vinyl help & more X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Wed, 23 Nov 1994, Introspection Inc. wrote: > Would it be possible to repost this thing? It got seriously hosed on > the way into mw-raves for some odd reason. A lot of text was missing, > like how *much* distilled water to use in the mix. actually it got messed up on my end. sorry all :( the autotype on my terminal didn't work as i had expected and didn't read it over before sending it out.... anyhow.... enjoy it for what it's worth! t.soup.. If you have a more reasonable collection, you might be happy with a good hand washing every now and then. To give your records a good hand washing, start by preparing this wash: 1 gallon distilled water 90 ml 70% isopropyl alcohol 1 gram Alconox (a laboratory detergent) Also, get a natural bristle brush and trim it to the correct stiffness/bristle length so that the bristles can get into the grooves but aren't stiff enough to scratch the record. Lay the LP flat and pour a thin coat of the above fluid on it. Brush the wash into the grooves with the bristle brush. Brush in the direction of the grooves, going through all grooves. Flush the wash and dirt off with cool, running tap water. Rinse the record with distilled water and pat it dry with a soft, clean cotton cloth. generic tagline: no quote today because my brain is broken. so there. email: s0176326@cc.ysu.edu \ jffocht@gateway.cis.ysu.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 13:53:26 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id IAA01682; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 08:53:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id HAA11892; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 07:50:29 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 07:50:29 -0600 Message-Id: <28NOV94.09524986.0028.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MKAMMERE@NMU.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Kammerer, Mark J" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Yr Lil' Detroit Update... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO IMalbon mentions, >Journey Through the Hardcore Phase III ==> >PRO: The "godfathers" are still proving that they are not slipping >behind the curve in the Detroit underground...they pretty much >*are* the curve. Hastings got an interesting facelift--with at least 6 >8mm projectors running *very* interesting loops. :) The visuals definately worked out real well, a nice change from just plain lazers I thought. The live mixing in the hard core room was being done by Optique Vidtek and the films in the second room were done by the Brain Farm (me). One minor teknikal point--all 16mm films except for one little super 8 projector running the Andy Panda cartoons :) I'll be showing some brand new stuff at Liquid Love on Dec. 17 and at DBN's Ritual on New Year's eve. A very good party in Detroit though. I like the Detroit scene. Mark Josef Brain Farm Produktions 906.225.1983 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 16:15:40 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA05247; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:15:10 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA18588; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 10:10:29 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 10:10:29 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: universal love X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO universal love was the bomb. in-fuckin'-credible. had to be one of the best parties in 94... pros the vibe was absolutely amazing main room was breaks/jungle almost all of the night wasn't busted astroboy spun breaks(!?!!!??) everyone was home due to xgiving break. sniper and mystical influence? need i say more? cons way, way, way too many people at one point- not only did it take me over an hour to get from the dj table to my bag (only about 300 ft away) but in the axfixiating, body squashing chaos, gretchen was drug down under and stepped on, tearing up my hand. wasn't pretty (still isnt) but i got really pissed and started practically throwing people out of my way (hehe yes, i know that paints a funny picture in your head...oh, im so tough.hehehe) i would have prefered if the space were upstairs, where BOOM was...it was originally supposed to be- i went to help out in the early afternoon and things were being set up up there...but in the evening when i went back it had been moved downstairs. i chose not to ask. the space was still very decent, i have no quams about it (well except for the fact that it ooked like a tornado hit in the space between the breaks and the house rooms...) c'est la vie... snuggles and sniper were on at the same time...what the fuck? i think that onionz, felix and mindrive should have been in the house room and jj, snuggles, and smack should have been in the breaks room (okay, i guess i should call it the main room-it wasnt ALL breaks...) makes perfect sense to me...i think going from phantom 45 to onionz was too big of a transition for most to handle-most either left, walked around looking completely disconcerted, or, hehe, sat down on billy's recordsand slept for a half hour till i felt a bit more rejuvinated...whoops... all the cons are purely opinionated and i doubt if they were felt by most if not all others who attended...rather insignificant points, also. overall the party was tha Mott's. kudos ta roger, lori, and billy... gretchen e blount From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 16:19:20 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA05352; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:19:03 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA18779; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 10:13:20 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 10:13:20 -0600 Message-Id: <941128101009.21202edd@dlogics.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: NIB@dlogics.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nicolas Bamberski To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: I'm back! and happy to be back X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey folks, ok I just re-subscribed after those excellent 3 weeks of vacation. Missed ya. Was in France for two weeks, checked out the rave scene there (it didn't exist yet when I left 3 years ago). Pretty good... went to a coupla raves, they were big (on our scale), about 3,000 people. Excellent sound but nobody hugging it :( The lighting is what impressed me most, they had this incredible light, some kind of a moonstar but composed of 200 (real) laser beams of many different colors, and rotating, creating shapes (laser tunels for example) and blowing my mind! Can't wait till we get this one here, it'll make the intellibeams look like strobe lights! One of them will fill a 50,000 sq.ft warehouse space with no problem. OK, sound good, lights excellent... DJs: got to see a few famous djs in action, and let me tell you, we have 100 djs in the midwest (from MysticBill to Dave Hollands via Sho, Astroboy, Derrick Carter, Terry Mullan, etc...) that would make djs as famous as Carl Cox sound just ridiculous in their mixes and music selections (but then after 3 years I'm pretty americanized so it's not a fair judgement). We are in the best part of the world for that I believe. Note: a lot of djs there mix during some downbeat parts of the tracks, creating some kind of gaps in your excitment. Now I understand that it's necessary for the crowd every once in a while, but common on every mix it's too much, you can't keep dancing crazy for more than 3 minutes and it pisses you of (frustrating is the word). VIBE: here we can consider ourselves lucky too. I was the only one sharing my bootle of water in crowds of 3,000 people. Actually I was the only one having a bottle of water :) but their vobe is weird, much more individualistic, plenty of little closed group of people in their self-trip. Weird... never saw one hug! Arts & Entertainment: better in average, but kind of expensive as compared to here.... well, I'm glad to be back and expect to see y'all soon for a Xanadu-style collective hug! bambi nib@dlogics.com soon to be dread-no-more cauz they got a little big for my work :( *smoooOOOoooooOOOOOooches* From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 16:57:35 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA06195; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:57:29 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA21019; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 10:49:16 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 10:49:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199411281643.QAA04172@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Calendar will be out Thursday X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I won't be able to log on until Thursday, so consequently I'll put the calendar out that day instead. If anyone needs to get in contact with me: 414.384.2679 work (8:30a - 5:30p CT) 414.384.2680 FAX 414.482.0399 home ..sawwy. Thanks! :-) -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 17:22:39 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA06960; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 12:22:32 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA22727; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:17:14 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:17:14 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: adesombr@worf.uwsp.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Adam Desombre To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: garage X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO exactly what is "garage" style house? :) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 18:01:42 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA07877; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 13:01:22 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA25261; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:57:44 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:57:44 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sascha@noc.ns.itd.umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sascha Linn To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: AOL is taking over the world.... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, it's official now. America Online is out to monopolize the net. As of this morning, Advanced Networking Systems (ANS) was sold to AOL. ANS is one of the major network providers in the country. They were (are?) a not-for-profit organization that developed out of the original MCI/IBM/Merit NSFNet contract. Over the past few years they have grown to be a major player in the network provider field. I realize this has absolutely nothing to do with raves or techno or any of that stuff, but I just though it was an interesting tidbit to pass along... L8rz, Sascha =) sascha@umich.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 20:18:42 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA11008; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 15:18:33 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA04369; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 14:14:09 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 14:14:09 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: kburress@ucs.indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: kyle burress To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: technosaurus ? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO is this weekends evolution party going to be as friendly to net ravers at the door as the previous ones? From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 20:19:00 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA11014; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 15:18:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA04078; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 14:09:57 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 14:09:57 -0600 Message-Id: <01HK0JH3PLR68Y52RY@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Universal break down.. X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, I hop in my little car, start the nice little drive from Milwaukee to Chicago, and then "spudder, pop, bang". IF you haven't already figured it out, the car died, and I spent the rest of the night just sitting around, waiting for some police officer to come save me from the side of hwy 94. This sucks, and I missed everyone too. I hope everyone had fun, and I pray this never happens again. Peace out, Ramylson ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' "In music the passions enjoy 608.342.3196 themselves." F. Neitzsche Fun House Productions ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 20:54:48 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA11680; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 15:54:32 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA06554; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 14:49:15 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 14:49:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199411282048.OAA00777@dion.gac.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: swaterbu@gac.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: swaterbu@gac.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: mpls this weekend ;P X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i don't really have much to say about CELESTIAL GROOVES and RYTHM which were supposed to happen in minneapolis this past fri and sat because...well...they didn't (more or less) to make a long story short CELESTIAL GROOVES: busted at 12...new loc at 3...shut down by at least 5:30 RYTHM: busted at 11:30...new loc at 2:15(which means standing in the snow til 3) not shut down but LAME ;{ both alternate locations were at a club downtown ;P one added note... i guess on saturday when the police arrived they threatened to use tear gas and clubs to stop the party all in all not a good party weekend for me ;{ (good snowboarding weekend tho 8} see ya at mouse's --- <<^GUIDO^^>>>>> swaterbu@gac.edu.............8} From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 21:20:14 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA12205; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:20:03 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA08333; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 15:15:19 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 15:15:19 -0600 Message-Id: <9411281502.D5957Tf@theden.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: nitro@theden.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: nitro@theden.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: STARBOOTY! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Superstars of Love, Dialeighted Productions invite you to... ---------------[ S T A R B O O T Y ]-----------------[ d E C 17th ]--- [ S A I N T L O U I S ] Stay tuned for more info or call: 314.994.1114 or 314.567.2O97 -/\/- From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 22:09:09 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA13538; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:08:53 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA10884; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:02:01 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:02:01 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: dacc@tigerden.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "D.A.C. Crowell" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: An act of shameless self-promotion :) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, in about 2 weeks I get to turn the list off for about a month...I'll be in the studio in FL doing space and all sorts of other emusic with the net's Team Metlay, and will have (unfortunately) little time to keep track with things on here. Before I take off, though, I _do_ want to do a little self-promo for my live ambient work, which can be had for any event you might be planning out there at which you want everyone to fall asleep at the end of the whole thing (ask Tigger at Grinnell about this mysterious and puzzling effect...:>). It's _maximal_ chill-out stuff, and since I will still be doing private e-mail during the sessions in FL, I'll be open to discussing picking up a few dates for after I get back, which is on or around 15 January. Rates are very negotiable, btw, depending on event size. I'd love to be able to do these things w/o charging _at all_, since I have a lot of fun playing live, but the expense of hauling some 500+ pounds of gear cross-country does tend to take a few priorities as far as money goes, unfortunately. Anyway, if you're getting an event together for sometime after mid-January, and you want some fine live ultra-slo-mo sounds for a chill space or for a closing set (hopefully your space will have a nice soft floor...people tend to curl up, sometimes around the bins, and drift off into hypno-land during my sets), drop me a line. Those of you who might want a demo of some of this are welcome to drop a blank chrome C-60 to: D.A.C. Crowell 1007 N. Neil St. Champaign, IL 61820 ..and enclose a couple bux for return mail/mailer. _I_ won't be able to get at dubbing these off, but my SO can while I'm out of town, and it'll give him something to keep him occupied. :) Anyway, we now return you to your list and the discussions thereon. Thanks for reading! <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>\ "We have come to the edge of a world which D.A.C. Crowell |offers us the limits of the accessible, of the Audio Design and Programming |unpredictable; it must be possible for some- The Aerodyne Works |thing not of this world to find a way through, Champaign, IL, USA. |something that hitherto could not be found by dacc@tigerden.com |any radio station on this earth. Let us set <><><><><><><><><><><><><><>/ out to look for it!" --Karlheinz Stockhausen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 22:22:37 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA13809; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:22:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA11637; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:14:01 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 16:14:01 -0600 Message-Id: <199411282213.RAA02495@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jtemple@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: James Clyde Temple To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: turntable cartridges? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hi, I've got a question that hopefully somebody out there can help me with. I want to get new cartridge/stylus for my turntables; and I was wondering which type was the best. i know that in general Stanton's are good cartridges, and the best would be the Trackmaster, but I've also seen the Ortofon nightclub's (or something like that) which are a little more expensive. I was wondering which one was better, and if the Ortofon's better is it better enough to justify the price difference? I'd appreciate anyone's advise on this- thanks- -jimBOB From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 23:05:25 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA14937; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 18:05:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA14743; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:00:52 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:00:52 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: stu@infochi.infochi.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stu Shea To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Universal What? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hi y'all. Well, I guess I'll have to play the Pope to everyone else's Galileo here, but I was pretty disappointed with Universal Love. The space was pretty good, even though a bit cold. The candles (as, I think Gretchen? said) were a nice touch! The floors were nice to dance on. My problem was simply with allocation of musics to particular rooms. I'm sorry if this offends anybody, but it always seemed like far more people were in the crammed little house space than were dancing to jungle/breaks/MCs in the much larger main room. There continues to be, IMHO, an anti-house bias and an anti-old style hardcore bias at these events that leaves a lot of partygoers out (sometimes literally) in the cold. I know if I go to a Ripe party I'm going to hear plenty of jungle; however, I don't know if it's fair to advertise a heavy house presence (which was on the flyer) and stuff it into the small space until very, very, very late in the evening. How realistic is that to what the people at the party want? (I think I've just doused myself in lighter fluid!) Let the buyer beware, I guess...there were some nice things about the party. The vibe was pretty decent at times, even in the main room, where it was hard to hear oneself think...ran into Tigger, finally met StevenJ and Melissa (sorry that you were just leaving!) and I think I saw Todd H, although I wasn't sure. Sorry I missed the rest of you. Anyhow, despite all my (hopefully uncharacteristic) bellyachin', I did dance my petootie off and did wake up sore! BTW, when we were trying to leave, we were kept inside for 15 minutes or so until the cops cruised out of the area. Anybody get busted? (Hope not). Oh yeah, also lost my mw-raves badge. (boo hoo!) See y-all soon! With luv, Stu 8) P.S. Tigger: how was that shoulder massage you were getting when I left? Hmm, hmm, hmm! From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 23:24:20 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA15536; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 18:24:01 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA15926; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:18:53 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:18:53 -0600 Message-Id: <199411282312.RAA11707@home.interaccess.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: adamgold@interaccess.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: adamgold@interaccess.com (Adam Goldstein) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re:universal what? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i totally agree that parties being advertised with such a strong house presence shoul either deliver or advertise them more accurately...i'm tired of waiting until 5:00 to hear the music i wanna hear...so my solution is i don't go to these large parties anymore...(help, i'm a chicago househead, and all i can get is jungle! :| ) Adam "A mind unfed eats itself" Truman Capote From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Mon Nov 28 23:54:01 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA16478; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 18:53:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA17938; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:50:31 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 17:50:31 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: eluna@bronze.coil.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Ed Luna To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: garage X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Adam Desombre wrote: > exactly what is "garage" style house? this is a much-derided offshoot of disco which runs concurrent with house, hi-nrgy, and techno (more house & nrgy, tho), named after the club in chicago from which it spawned (somewhere between 82-85). it basically sounds like house with lots of cheesy soulful vocals. it's also a gay black thing. most people hate it (im not a big fan, either) but brits and other pockets of dance culture LOVE it. ++ e d From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 00:12:00 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA16940; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 19:11:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA18729; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 18:02:09 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 18:02:09 -0600 Message-Id: <199411290001.SAA18666@batch1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: HJCURT00@UKCC.UKY.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Rique Curtis To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Old Gnus X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO .....is gooooood gnus. Just want to add to doc's comments about P i l g r i m a g e in Cincy last Wednesday. Not at all bad for a club rave. I was impressed. _When_ did U say was the last time Cincy had a decent dig? ! Highlights: Derrick Carter's set (!), the vibe around 1 am of course, the afterparty at Kristen's (who managed to squeeze 30 or so ravers into her one-bedroom w/ subtle grace and charm) - Letdowns: Bob-A-Dob's set (wasn't even up to par by CLUB standards), the smoke (overkill), how the club dictators pulled the plugs at 5 am on the nose :( It was a finger-licking goooood time before Turkeyday...definitely worth it despite the problems. !mo' ! *++++ * ~+ * .. * * ~+ + * ...... * "God created man, but I could do better..." + ~ + + * ........ * \ + * fujiyama mo' * \hjcurt00@ukcc.uky.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 00:43:54 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA17673; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 19:43:35 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA20770; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 18:39:00 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 18:39:00 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re:universal what? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Adam Goldstein wrote: > i totally agree that parties being advertised with such a strong > house presence shoul either deliver or advertise them more accurately...i'm > tired of waiting until 5:00 to hear the music i wanna hear...so my solution > is i don't go to these large parties anymore...(help, i'm a chicago > househead, and all i can get is jungle! :| ) > > > Adam > "A mind unfed eats itself" Truman Capote > > > its strange that you should say that, because i feel just the opposite. chicago is a house town, and has always been a house town. first there was house...then along with the house came techno...then house came back, and then there was hardcore....then house was back again and now roger is trying to swing 'jungle ting'. although jungle has aquired a rather large following here, it is nothing compared to tha house groove. while popular now, i fear that it will never reach the climax that he wants, and house will be back. don't get me wrong, house never leaves, it's just kinda put out of the spotlight for a while...which is much needed...can you picture chicago with 10+ years of house, house, and nothing but house? personally, i think it would be redundant and begin to really suck after a while...although i am a breaks/ jungle devotee, i will make the following comparison to make things easier for you to understand... jungle is to the chicago music scene as... the new kids were to Billboard i never thought i would put jungle and the new kids in the same sentence...somebody slap me... while the new kids were 'cool' for a while (no, alas, i can not say i was a follower...that was during my erasure/pet shop boys phase...) they were out of the picture in about two years...as jungle most likely will be. i hate the thought of it, but it will probably be true. and to back track a bit....whaddya mean you can't find good house in chi? what do you call derrick carter...mystic bill...traxx....davey dave...etc? last time i checked they spun house...some fuckin amazing house too...although derricks a bit harder to track down because he does more traveling, mel, dave and billy stick to tha midwest most of tha time so you can hear them any and every weekend, if that is what you so desire... and about this 'waiting till 5 to hear the music you want to hear' ting, you musthave missed out on some pretty incredible sets by mindrive, josh werner, davey dave, etc... gretchen e blount (i am still slapping myself for that new kids reference...) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 00:58:02 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id TAA18049; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 19:57:54 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA21571; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 18:53:39 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 18:53:39 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: stu@infochi.infochi.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stu Shea To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re:universal what? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, blount gretchen e wrote: > On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, Adam Goldstein wrote: > > > its strange that you should say that, because i feel just the opposite. > chicago is a house town, and has always been a house town. first there > popular now, i fear that it will never reach the climax that he wants, > and house will be back. don't get me wrong, house never leaves, it's I like variety...I think what I originally was bugged by was the oddity of having a MUCH bigger crowd dancing at many points to the house in the tiny room than to the MCs and jungle in the "main" room. Just seemed weird to me. BTW, my post was no anti-jungle ting thing as such (although I'd like breaks a HELL of a lot better without MCs). > needed...can you picture chicago with 10+ years of house, house, and > nothing but house? personally, i think it would be redundant and begin Yes, that WOULD suck. But where's the old hardcore? I'm one that believes music has to change, and scenes have to change, but trends for the sake of trends, and dumping music just because it's not brand new seems silly to me. Anyhoo, love and all that! Stu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 01:54:59 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA19475; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 20:54:34 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA24215; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 19:49:58 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 19:49:58 -0600 Message-Id: <9411290208.AA04809@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sherih@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sheri Hendrickson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: mpls this weekend ;P X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Mon, 28 Nov 1994 GUIDO writes: >i don't really have much to say >about CELESTIAL GROOVES >and RHYTHM which were supposed >to happen in minneapolis this past >fri and sat because...well... >they didn't... in all not a good >party weekend for me You're not the only one who thinks this. Quite a disappointment of USUAL PRODUCTIONS and Dj Earth. When promoters cannot get their shit together and their parties flop, they drag down other promoters as well as the entire scene's spirits. A lot of people vowed to never attend an Usual Productions or another Minneapolis party again. The Usual people who run run this promotion group are not ravers themselves, and they admit that. (i.e. - Andrew, head of Usual, did not know how to pronounce Kurt of D.B.N. dj name. He also didn't know what kind of music Moby makes.) Usual and other new Minneapolis promoters admit to me that they barely know anything about djs and what they spin. I know some of these newbie promoters reasons to do parties are for the drugs, money, fame, ego trips, and the chicks. Somehow the most important reason - the music gets shoved aside for these falsities and has a less important priority. Being a promoter, you have the responsiblity of knowing your stuff on the music, organizing skills, diplomacy, business sensibility, and be in touch what your crowd wants. After all, you are like a leader in raves. As of Usual, personality wise I like them. (Most of them are big sweeties.) As of promoting wise, I don't really care for them. They are getting too cocky, will not listen to feedback very well, and barely have a clue to anything but drugs. It was inevitable that one of their parties was going to flop. Friday night's party was shut down because of a residential complaint on the noise. I think the woman wouldn't have complained except for this incredibly stupid girl who is affiliated with Usual in a super drugged out state in her "wild/slut" outfits offered the woman $1000 to leave home for the night. Of course, the woman was freaked out by her and offended by this girl's awful diplomacy. As of the Sat. nite party.... >when the police arrived >they threatened to use tear >gas and clubs Stupid to use the same spot as the night before where it was busted. This time a different person who ismore diplomatic, mature, and respectable made amends and worked it out with that resident. However, the reason why it was busted was for "Tax Evasion." Usual didn't collect tax on the ticket sales. Rythym, was originally to be all done be Dj Earth. Two weeks before the party, Earth couldn't shell out the cash for it. So he goes to Usual when both Andrew and him hate each other. It doesn't make any sense to give somebody you dislike a blank check to do a party. Earth thought Andrew was being stingy. Andrew thought Earth was completely using him for his money which he was. I warned Andrew on funding this party would be disasterous. He blew me off. Nonetheless, Andrew lost $6,000 this past weekend. WARNING:That Burial party might be shaky, too. As of FUTURE, which is done by Disco Family Plan is the only decent party/promoter. just my $0.02 to salvage the reputation of Minneapolis. Sheri From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 02:39:56 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA20621; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 21:39:42 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA26226; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 20:36:55 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 20:36:55 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: anarchy@Glue.umd.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: danFREELove To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Fusion II? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey everyone. Okay, this is a rampant breach of Netiquette. I am posting and I am not a member of the list. :( But I wanted to know if the new Fusion tape was out. I had heard from KingSize that he had a new track on it and would really love to get my hands on this Fusion II (first one was PHAT!). Anyhow, if it is available, please send me some information on it (and don't be afraid to cross-post it to NE Raves). Dan ,._-_ < \, \\/\ _-_ _____ anarchy@eng.umd.edu ~~~~~---____ Peace || /-|| || | || \\ _+--= __ Love || (( || || | ||/ _ _ ~~ = Unity \\, \/\\ \\/ \\,/ ~~~~~ | danFREELove Respect From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 02:41:03 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA20646; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 21:40:51 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA26344; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 20:38:30 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 20:38:30 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ellen got a pager X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i figure a big enough chunk of my friends are on the list so it would be ok to post this. i just got a pager so if you want to get a hold of me dial 414 227 7420 or 414 CAR SIC-0 isn't that cute?:) l8r ellen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 02:46:14 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA20763; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 21:46:01 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA26769; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 20:43:31 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 20:43:31 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: hcmk@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Holly Macdonald - Korth To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re:universal what? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey hey... for a ll of u net.kids out there looking for some seious house music (with a jungle thrown in; but jus' a tad),bring yer booties down to detroit this weekend for contact...mystic bill and davey dave on four tables, heckle and jeckle doing that tag-team thang, a a host of locals bringing a nite filled with beautiful house for u too shake yo' ass! --->btw, the net.raver discount is still in effest the those of you who don't already know: 2 for 1...just email us with your name and email address and you'll get put on the list... peace, samme sunshyne p.s. for location and futher info call 810.746.3338 =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= t r e e t o w n f a m i l e e m a s s i v e hcmk@umich.edu mission control: 810.746.3338 *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 03:44:10 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA21800; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 22:43:45 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA29460; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 21:41:29 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 21:41:29 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: adamgold@interaccess.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Adam Goldstein To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: house and all X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO hey guys-- just to clarify, i know chicago is a house town...i'm familiar with plenty of our wonderful dj's...i personally dig smaller parties, like mystic billy's birthday party for example, where i personally enjoy the music better, and i dig the vibe more... peace From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 05:21:09 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA23748; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:20:58 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA03196; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 23:18:39 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 23:18:39 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: John Thomas Drefahl To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Zero - Review - By: Dildo Who posted the party X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well I just wanted to some up what went on this past Sunday in a Warehouse, in the middle of Milwaukee. A couple of people who really care about the Milwaukee scene decided to throw a party at the last minute. Sound was rented, and turntables were found and DJ's were called. Even a warehouse was, well lets say accessed. They didn't even charge a thing.. (They are really nice guys) THe Party was scheduled to start at around 11:pm. The directions were givin on a voice mail. The directions took you right to a southside warehouse. Where escorts nicely helped you park in the right place, and get to the party. Over 40 people in total showed that Sunday Night. I think this is really good considering that it was planned about 2 hours before it was thrown! Not to mention it was a sunday night. Hardcore was spun at first but, House was soon to be the dominent form. "Let me show you love" echoed throughout the mass complex. Some of the DJ's that spun were, AL G, Mike C., AfroMan, Jay (Network 10), and some other one from Westbend that really was good. The party wound down at 4am. Thanks for everyone coming out to this one.. It made my night a lot more enjoyable. And all who showed up: Karen, Dee, Matt, Da Pukers, Joel, Kurt, Kelley, and countless others.. Your friend! "The DILDO that posted the party on the net" John SiN Massive ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 05:45:26 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA24113; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:44:54 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA04640; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 23:42:19 -0600 Date: Mon, 28 Nov 1994 23:42:19 -0600 Message-Id: <199411290541.AAA25963@bottom.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: mcjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: mcjones@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu (M. Christopher Jones) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: FUSION 2:underground comp vol 2,come&get it! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO 21/22 corp. e l e m e n t a l & thier recordings present: _____________________________________________________________________________ ___ ____ / / \ | . | |__ ____ _____ ___ / | | | | | | | |/ \ / ---- -------------------- | \___/| ___ | | |_____| | | /_____ ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- this is the second in a series of underground music compilations, featuring a variety of styles...in support of artists you might never hear otherwise. this volume includes eight artists: kingsize: taking you to a new realm of breaks litho: crunchy snappy detroit-style traxxx elliptical: melodic flowing trance for the mind monochrome: beats and breaks that form a flux titonton: takes you on a trip thru the house/traxx realm rithm: minimal nation new skool (todd~ incognito) ihannoa: syncopation for the tribal generation tintinnabulation: something like "trance" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- these are chrome biased tapes, mastered directly from DAT, 60 minutes in length. the tapes will be sold at cost(this is not for profit), which is five u.s. dollars plus one for shipping. i can only accept checks or money orders, made out to charles noel. send your orders to : ccode/monochrome(charles noel) 286 east 13th ave. columbus,OH 43201 phone: 614.299.9529 remember to tell me where to send your tape! ATTENTION: this account will not exist after 12/1/94. so if you have to axe any questions about the tape, or ordering, please send mail to: note: we are NOT affiliated with the infamous mr. fusion. thanks for YOUR support of the underground! (makes a great stocking stuffer...) outy5000-(Cro2) & ++e d From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 06:11:33 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA24417; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 01:11:20 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA06702; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:08:05 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:08:05 -0600 Message-Id: <9411290606.AA07314@expert.cc.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Shawn DeVries) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Universal What? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Stu Shea blurted out rudely > BTW, when we were trying to leave, we were kept inside for 15 minutes or > so until the cops cruised out of the area. Anybody get busted? (Hope not). > Yeah, what was up with THAT??? We went out a f*cking window cause this bitch wouldn't let us leave....There wasn't any cops! -Shawn ______________________________________________________________________________ misfit-baloo-------shrave@expert.cc.purdue.edu-------Shawn M. DeVries we are all in the same family Purdue University's proud representative of the Raving Engineers ______________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 06:21:12 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA24544; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 01:21:05 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA07111; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:17:26 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:17:26 -0600 Message-Id: <9411290636.AA05520@kitchen.mcad.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sherih@kitchen.mcad.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sheri Hendrickson To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: dj tapes and trading X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Richie Hawtin: >It would be nice if people really wanted a mix tape >from me, that they would wait until i released one... >I don't really like mix tapes that have been >taped at a club or party (usually behind the dj's back) ... I always wondered how djs felt about tapes being made from a live set of their's. I think there should be courtesy in asking/ informing the dj for permission and spot them a few bucks for distributing that tape/dat to buyers. When I bring in tapes for the store that I work at, I usually go to the dj directly. Not some middle person. I know the dj gets that money directly (and I know they could really use that money for more records). Usually, middle people who sell tapes without that dj knowing about that do some really sneaky shit both to the buyer and dj by making some bucks from in a "cheating" way in various methods. Some of these middle people will somehow get in possesion of one copy of djs tape and mass re-produce it. Or my favorite was from this summer. I bought a bunch of tapes for Cynesthesia from a store in Toronto. Most of these tapes were recorded from live sets. But there was this Frankie Knuckles one, it was different. Within 3 minutes of the tape, a radio announcer came on to give a station identification and kept doing that throughout the whole tape. How low can you go to mass produce and sell dats from the radio? I know big name djs i.e. Lenny Dee, Jeff Mills, etc. no longer make mix tapes, because they are "famous." However, making and selling tapes are very crucial to most djs to promote themselves (especially new and upcoming ones). Dubbing a copy off/for your friend, defeats the purpose of financially supporting a dj (djs usually spend around $50-$200 a week on records). What you spend $10-15 is a deal to you for all that music and plus it's mixed! But I also admit buying mix tapes are a spendy habit. Tape trading does help promote djs of spreading/networking new fans. I tape trade myself to share a good dj-ing talents with other people. Sheri From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 07:30:02 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id CAA25313; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 02:29:50 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id BAA08962; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 01:28:21 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 01:28:21 -0600 Message-Id: <199411290729.CAA29164@london.physics.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: sho@physics.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Sho Kuwamoto To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re:universal what? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Forwarded message: > From: Holly Macdonald - Korth > > hey hey... > > for a ll of u net.kids out there looking for some seious house > music (with a jungle thrown in; but jus' a tad),bring yer booties down to > detroit this weekend for contact...mystic bill and davey dave on four > tables, heckle and jeckle doing that tag-team thang, a a host of locals > bringing a nite filled with beautiful house for u too shake yo' ass! Hey.. you forgot to mention that I'll be one of the DJs in the second room! *snif* Hee hee... -Sho -- sho@physics.purdue.edu <<-- finger this account to find out what I'm having for lunch! Sho Kuwamoto. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 09:09:49 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA26361; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 04:09:43 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA10839; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 03:08:11 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 03:08:11 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: firk0001@gold.tc.umn.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Richard D Firkins To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: turntable cartridges? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Most dj's I know prefer the Stanton 680s, probably only because they're by far the most common. I personally like the Ortofon Concordes a lot better. (terminology- "concorde" refers to both the silver "pro" model and the black "nightclub" model that mount directly onto the tonearm, without the need for a headshell) The nightclub model sounds better (and costs more) than the pro model, but both sound better than Stantons. I like the feel of tham better, too, but I'm used to them. But, IMHO, do NOT buy the variations of the Ortofons that mount onto a headshell. They jump a lot, which I thought was because they didn't weigh enough, but even adding weight didn't help much. I'd say the Concordes - either the pro or the nightclub - are worth the price, especially if you don't already have headshells. Even if you have headshells, I'd get them; maybe you can sell the headshells. rich. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 13:47:13 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id IAA28818; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 08:47:00 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id HAA16455; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 07:42:51 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 07:42:51 -0600 Message-Id: <941129082915_1135903@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CZ5@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: CZ5@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Universal dig it X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO MC in the main/jungle room: "&*^%$#@$%.......CAN UUUUUUU DIG IT??????........&*^%$#%^^.......CAN UUUUUU DIG IT????........*&^%^%&**.....CAN UU" (you get my point.) Despite the exasperation of being asked whether I "dug it" for 3 hours straight, I must say this party is on the tops of my list. (especially the house room at 5 am :) Nice to meet all the delirium people and their vibrating love ball......;) Czarina p.s. (an herbal e a day keeps the chicago pigs away) From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 15:34:50 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id KAA01631; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 10:34:29 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id JAA20766; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:29:20 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 09:29:20 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re:universal what? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Forwarded message: > From: Stu Shea > I like variety...I think what I originally was bugged by was the oddity of > having a MUCH bigger crowd dancing at many points to the house in the tiny > room than to the MCs and jungle in the "main" room. Just seemed weird to > me. BTW, my post was no anti-jungle ting thing as such (although I'd like > breaks a HELL of a lot better without MCs). Actually, what *I'd* like to hear more of at events is dark, scary breaks. Andrew made a tape for me of cyberBreaks and I can't listen to it enough (thanks Roo =). Funny I think, that I like the happiest of house, the happiest of trance but I *L O V E* the darker side of breakbeat. > Yes, that WOULD suck. But where's the old hardcore? I'm one that believes > music has to change, and scenes have to change, but trends for the sake of > trends, and dumping music just because it's not brand new seems silly to me. I couldn't agree more. I really enjoy pulling out my old tapes of acid boy todd p and Toby Tyler spinning live on WMSE from summer of last year. It's still good music and if I had the material I'd spin it at parties now and then. Sheesh, we're starting to sound like some of those yuppies who listen to nothing but Classic Rock{tm}. "Man, there'll NEVER be music like that again!" Thank god. ;-) - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 16:22:51 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA02981; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 11:22:35 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA23368; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 10:10:45 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 10:10:45 -0600 Message-Id: <199411291606.QAA00661@falcon.depaul.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: goldbaum@falcon.depaul.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nate Goldbaum To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Dave Barry on College (fwd) X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Forwarded message: > From erz1@cornell.edu Tue Nov 29 10:28:27 1994 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hi everybody -- I know this is far from rave-related, but I thought it was funny and I figured most of you would think it was, too. If you want to get more junk-mail like this, you should write to my friend Elia at the above address and tell him you want to be on his j-mail list.It's about two long messages a week. Maybe every third one is *really* funny. Most are kinda funny. If you want to be among the first to get such classics as the Mentos FAQ and "The Great Smoke Out" (by Shel Silverstein of all people) write to E-Z. This is the last time I post such junk mail, since I'll assume that if you want this stuff you'll write to Elia. If you want me to keep posting tidbits like these, write to me. Otherwise, I'll start observing netiquette. :P peaceout nate ps He recently posted something by vrave's very own cindy/kawakami/seaofsin. It's a small net after all. :) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------------------------------------------- > > > DAVE BARRY ON COLLEGE > > > >Many of you young persons out there are seriously thinking about going > >to college. (That is, of course, a lie.) College is basically a > >bunch of rooms where you sit for roughly two thousand hours and try to > >memorize things. The two thousand hours are spread out over four > >yars; you spend the rest of the time sleeping and trying to get > >dates. > > > >Basically, you learn two kinds of things in college: > > > > 1. Things you will need to know in later life (two hours). > > 2. Things you will not need to know in later life (1,998 > >hours). These are the things you learn in classes whose names end in > >-ology, - -osophy, -istry, -ics, and so on. The idea is, you memorize > >these things, then write them down in little exam books, then forget > >them. If you fail to forget them, you become a professor and have to > >stay in college for the rest of your life. > > > >It's very difficult to forget everything. For example, when I was in > >college, I had to memorize -- don't ask me why -- the names of three > >metaphysical poets other than John Donne. I have managed to forget > >one of them, but I still remember that the other two were named > >Vaughan and Crashaw. Sometimes, when I'm trying to remember something > >important like whether my wife told me to get tuna packed in oil or > >tuna packed in water, Vaughan and Crashaw just pop up in my mind, > >right there in the supermarket. It's a terrible waste of brain cells. > > > >After you've been in college for a year or so, you're supposed to > >choose a major, which is the subject you intend to memorize and forget > >the most things about. Here is a very important piece of advice: Be > >sure to choose a major that does not involve Known Facts and Right > >Answers. This means you must not major in mathematics, physics, > >biology, or chemistry, because these subjects involve actual facts. > >If, for example, you major in mathematics, you're going to wander into > >class one day and the professor will say: "Define the cosine integer > >of the quadrant of a rhomboid binary axis, and extrapolate your result > >to five significant vertices." If you don't come up with exactly the > >answer the professor has in mind, you fail. The same is true of > >chemistry: if you write in your exam book that carbon and hydrogen > >combine to form oak, your professor will flunk you. He wants you to > >come up with the same answer he and all the other chemists have agreed > >on. Scientists are extremely snotty about this. > > > >So you should major in subjects like English, philosophy, psychology, > >and sociology -- subjects in which nobody really understands what > >anybody else is talking about, and which involve virtually no actual > >facts. I attended classes in all these subjects, so I'll give you a > >quick overview of each: > > > >ENGLISH: This involves writing papers about long books you have read > >little snippets of just before class. Here is a tip on how to get > >good grades on your English papers: Never say anything about a book > >that anybody with any common sense would say. For example, suppose > >you are studying Moby-Dick. Anybody with any common sense would say > >that Moby-Dick is a big white whale, since the characters in the book > >refer to it as a big white whale roughly eleven thousand times. So in > >your paper, you say Moby-Dick is actually the Republic of Ireland. > >Your professor, who is sick to death of reading papers and never liked > >Moby-Dick anyway, will think you are enormously creative. If you can > >regularly come up with lunatic interpretations of simple stories, you > >should major in English. > > > >PHILOSOPHY: Basically, this involves sitting in a room and deciding > >there is no such thing as reality and then going to lunch. You should > >major in philosophy if you plan to take a lot of drugs. > > > >PSYCHOLOGY: This involves talking about rats and dreams. > >Psychologists are obsessed with rats and dreams. I once spent an > >entire semester training a rat to punch little buttons in a certain > >sequence, then training my roommate to do the same thing. The rat > >learned much faster. My roommate is now a doctor. If you like rats > >or dreams, and above all if you dream about rats, you should major in > >psychology. > > > >SOCIOLOGY: For sheer lack of intelligibility, sociology is far and > >away the number one subject. I sat through hundreds of hours of > >sociology courses, and read gobs of sociology writing, and I never > >once heard or read a coherent statement. This is because sociologists > >want to be considered scientists, so they spend most of their time > >translating simple, obvious observations into scientific-sounding > >code. If you plan to major in sociology, you'll have to learn to do > >the same thing. For example, suppose you have observed that children > >cry when they fall down. You should write: "Methodological > >observation of the sociometrical behavior tendencies of prematurated > >isolates indicates that a casual relationship exists between > >groundward tropism and lachrimatory, or 'crying,' behavior forms." If > >you can keep this up for fifty or sixty pages, you will get a large > >government grant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *****Elia Zashin: Last year, I lived in a hole-in-the-wall. This year, I > can fart in my room. Nevermind. Don't ask. :> :> :> From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 16:23:58 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA03003; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 11:23:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA23947; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 10:19:56 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 10:19:56 -0600 Message-Id: <199411291619.KAA23859@batch1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: THELME00@UKCC.UKY.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: tim To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: MW-RAVES digest 237 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO STARBOOTY! i know where THAT came from! are you going to play that album there? re: anyone else remember the special rekkid the pudgy kid stole on "Juice"? this is it. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 16:38:38 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA03312; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 11:38:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA24714; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 10:31:28 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 10:31:28 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: marmoset@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dave Walker To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: FUSION 2:underground comp vol 2,come&get it! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Mon, 28 Nov 1994, M. Christopher Jones wrote: > this is the second in a series of underground music compilations, > featuring a variety of styles...in support of artists you might never hear > otherwise. this volume includes eight artists: I just want to mention that I got mine last weekend (THANKS ED!!!) and this comp is better than most of the commercial comps I've bought this year. Get it get it. Prime midwestern talent delivering the goods. > (makes a great stocking stuffer...) Troo-ly. ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@msen.com play sim freeke Dave Walker From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 18:24:34 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA05686; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 13:24:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA01185; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 12:20:12 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 12:20:12 -0600 Message-Id: <199411291819.MAA01142@batch1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: DMGRAY@ucs.indiana.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: TriPtoNitE To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: any suggestions??? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ANyone out there interested in getting together a preparty for TECHNOSAURUS??? IF you gots the place i can bring the tables...its right around the corner so we might want to rush on this...cross yer fingers everybody!!! ...devin ...dmgray@ucs.indiana.edu ..."TriPtoNitE" From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 20:01:28 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA07712; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:00:57 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA06351; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 13:55:28 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 13:55:28 -0600 Message-Id: <29NOV94.16107241.0122.MUSIC@NMU.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MKAMMERE@NMU.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Kammerer, Mark J" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: video X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey folks, does anyone know where I could find a good deal on a video projector and a video mixer? Thanx, Mark Josef From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 20:03:03 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA07761; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:02:42 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id NAA06567; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 13:58:19 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 13:58:19 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: stu@infochi.infochi.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stu Shea To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re:universal what? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, Introspection Inc. wrote: > I couldn't agree more. I really enjoy pulling out my old tapes of > acid boy todd p and Toby Tyler spinning live on WMSE from summer of > last year. It's still good music and if I had the material I'd spin > it at parties now and then. Sheesh, we're starting to sound like some > of those yuppies who listen to nothing but Classic Rock{tm}. "Man, > there'll NEVER be music like that again!" Thank god. ;-) > > > - stevenJ well, that's because we're old. 8) Stu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 21:33:29 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA10070; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 16:33:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA11263; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:26:01 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:26:01 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ellen@cyborganic.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ellen@cyborganic.com (Ellen Steuer) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: check this out X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO my bro forwarded this too me...i thought some of you would get a kick out of it. it was a hotwired submission so i am not sure if he would be mad at me for posting this but you won't tell:) _____________________ /______________________\ // __________________ \\ /// / L SSSS DDD \ \\\ ///| | L S D D \ \\\ ////|| | L S D D | |\\\\ /////||| | L SSS D D | ||\\\\\ //////|||| | L S D D | |||\\\\\\ ///////||||| | L S D D | ||||\\\\\\\ ///////_____/ / LLLLL SSSS DDD / /____\\\\\\\\\ //////// ____/ /__________ \\\\\\\\\ //////// | MELTS IN YOUR MIND, NOT IN YOUR HANDS | \\\\\\\\\ \\\\\\\\\ \_______________________________________/ //////// \\\\\\\\\___________________________________________///////// \\\\\\\_____________________________________________/////// \\\\\_______________________________________________///// \\\_________________________________________________/// \___________________________________________________/ pretty cute eh? l8r ellen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 21:56:50 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id QAA10768; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 16:56:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA12525; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:44:15 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:44:15 -0600 Message-Id: <01HK21V5LISY8Y5GGX@AC.GRIN.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: CONVERY@AC.GRIN.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Niall F Convery To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Sinergy X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey, anyone be passing through Iowa on their way to Fargo on Dec.10th who could give me a ride? I really need to get there, and I'll even pay gas money.....:) Peace, Niall From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 02:14:10 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA17777; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 21:13:54 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA25829; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:10:13 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:10:13 -0600 Message-Id: <199411300208.SAA00813@taz.hyperreal.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: abennett@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Bennett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Milwaukee Burglars X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO A friend sent me the following short article out of the newspaper. WISCONSIN MILWAUKEE - Burglars planning to get high on laughing gas at all-night dance parties have stolen cannisters of nitrous oxide from three dental offices in recent weeks, the Wisconsin Dental Assn says. Inappropiate use can cause death, officials say. So, it's not clear if they got caught, or the dentist's assumed that thse 'all-night dance party' attendees stole them. Hmmm.. Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com abennett@hyperreal.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 02:24:48 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA18051; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 21:24:34 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA26361; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:20:58 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:20:58 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: synergy@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Bradley John Owen To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: This week's Music Talk... X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hello there folks... Through the harassment of da man like da Brad Butzke, I've taken it upon myself to strike up some interesting music discussion once again. First of all, someone was discussing cartridges a few posts back. I personally would have to say that it really depends on what sort of budget you're on. If you are obscenely full of cash and have nothing else better to spend it on, go crazy and get the Trackmasters (which supposedly last the longest) or Ortofons. However, if you're like most of us...I would recommend the Stanton 500's...I like them the best because they're a tad bit wider and seem to track better than others I've used. Shop around before you buy...some shops really enjoy jacking people for cartridges...especially the unsuspecting newcomer. Nontheless, moving right along... The new remixes of the Drum Club's "Drums are Dangerous" are nice little ditties. The Hardkiss boy's seem to do the best job, although one might have to pitch it up to work it into a set of any average tempo...it's breakish, nice for mixing, and all around good. The Prototype 909 cats drop a more progressive sound to the track and the Sub Dub mix rounds things out. I like this one...and it's a domestic so it's cheap. There is a new white label double twelve inch floating around from Detroit's 430 West Records artist Octave One. It's a nice little 120-130bpm Detroit style acid house release. It reminds me of Daniel Bell in some respects...or perhaps the Basement Trax Ep's. Nonetheless, this is one to look for when it gets released in a larger quantity. Also available from 430 West is Milwaukee's own acid voice, Yanu, who's debut ep will be out on white label within the next few weeks...fully pressed before the end of the year. Four tracks of mid tempo acid with a few bongo's and synths for merit. Watch the backwards looping drum kicks and cymbal crashes. Best track is the drum and 303 laden "Chutes and Ladders 2.0." For those of you who caught his live performance at Milwaukee's "Push" party...you know what to expect. For those of you on da handbag tip, Logic US has dropped dj only promos of the high energy "Girls and Boys" track by Dave Lee and Andrew Livingston aka The Hed Boys. Mixes by Dj Duke and someone or other. Two mix deserves play...one sure isn't my cup of java...straying WAY from the original in a more tribal direction. This is one of those club tracks...not really a track I would go and play at anything remotely underground. However, the Logic records Germany division has picked up Effective Record's Hanson and Nelson (of Gat Decor "Passion" fame) for a two song release named "Move in Motion." One is a happy little progressive houser which I dig alot...the other kicks off with some french speaking fellow, developing into a female vocal onslaught. Check this one out...I recommend it. Now...One of the most interesting songs to round out this year's releases is "Fire and Ice" from Jopan Records. This one bumps in a major way...alot like Underworld's "Rez" in the drum arena, with a thick and domineering synth break. Wooo Weee. Find this one and listen... listen...listen. I think it's about a month old so get it before they're gone. The latest from Harthouse's Kox Box is an interesting little track which I recommend for mid tempo trance freaks. It has one of those really catchy elements which you just can't isolate. It simply must suffice to say it's just plain yummmmmy. So....That's all I really have time for right now. What do you like? Brad Synergy and all dat From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 02:57:24 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id VAA18717; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 21:57:07 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA27757; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:49:59 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:49:59 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: N2O thieves X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Forwarded message: > From: Andrew Bennett > > So, it's not clear if they got caught, or the dentist's assumed that thse > 'all-night dance party' attendees stole them. Hmmm.. I dunno. The conspiracy freak in me says, "This sounds like a ploy by the police to have a 'well known' medical group make a statement to scare ravers from using N2O at their all-night dance parties/orgies". But, I could be wrong. ;-) - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 03:02:40 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA18876; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:02:05 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id UAA28355; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:58:14 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 20:58:14 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: N2O thieves X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Forwarded message: > From: -fNoRd- > i dunno, friend of mine's dad died of nitrous.. however, it was due to the > fact the had on a dental-style inhaler mask (sorta like the fatal one in > little shop of horrors, oddly enough).. and , as he began to get woozy, he > vomited into the mask, and drowned before he had a chance to be > asphyxiated. Quite lovely. Actually, what I was refering to was the story itself. I know tat N2O can kill you, but I figured the cops would concoct the entire news item as a scare tactic, based on medical facts. It's happened b4. - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 03:09:48 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA19044; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:09:30 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA28878; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 21:04:22 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 21:04:22 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: madisonn@it.uwp.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nicole Madison To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Upcoming events? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Question: Why has'nt the mw-raves calendar of upcoming events been updated? It's obvious that not every party gets equal representation in all of the midwest areas. I never see fliers for Detriot events. Just curious. Jessica From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 03:26:16 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA19381; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:25:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA29679; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 21:21:37 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 21:21:37 -0600 Message-Id: <9411300354.AA29468@blackhawks.d2.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: fixer@d2.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: fixer@d2.com (Robert Smith) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Upcoming events? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Reprinted without permission from: Nicole Madison / / Question: Why has'nt the mw-raves calendar of upcoming events /been updated? It's obvious that not every party gets equal representation in /all of the midwest areas. I never see fliers for Detriot events. Just /curious. /Jessica / Detroit isn't always big on flyers, so there often wasn't too much notice of parties. Also, there aren't that many Detroiter's on this list. ps: there's no "riot" in Detroit... /-----------------------------------------------------------------------------\ \o o o o o | o o o o o | o o o o o | o o o o o/ / | | | \ \ R. Y. Smith, Jr.| | | Digital Domain / / tel: 310/314.2920| | | 300 Rose Ave \ \ fax: 310/314.2866| | | Venice, CA 90291 / / fixer@d2.com | | | 310/314.2800 \ \ | | | / /o o o o o | o o o o o | o o o o o | o o o o o\ \-----------------------------------------------------------------------------/ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 04:12:42 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA20350; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 23:12:27 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA01958; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:07:40 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 22:07:40 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Amore!!!! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hi all! It's just me, Ben.....I feel I haven't written anything of real value to you all in awhile....suffice it to say that I got ALOT of responses to my offer to swap tapes....those of you that I still have to send tapes to please be patient...I work full time ( and then some!) and I have been away for the holiday....also, being the total putz that I am, I lost my list of people to send them to( except gretchen, and the girl who sent me the fresh blend tapes- sorry...your name is on paper in the other room and...as I said...I'm a putz!) If I contacted you about this and you know what you wanted from me...please re submit or call me and spare the band width-(414) 967-9388. Gretchen call me! Now back to the reason I'm on this thing! AHHHHH...Amore! that's what it's all about!! I really don't have alot of witty things to say...but then when DO I? I just hope you all are well...I hope you are feeling love from those around you...if not then call me.....AHHH..amore! I haven't been to a party for a couple of weeks...and I've been working real hard so I kinda feel out of the "light"...ya know? So, actually it is I who use some positive words from you all! Feel free to say lot's of nice things ( or say shitty things too...I could use a good laugh!) Well that's it... as always..love to you all! * HI CHRIS!!!! HI STEVEN!!!! HI AMY!!!!! * BEN dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 05:21:09 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA21904; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 00:20:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA04845; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 23:16:16 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 23:16:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199411300515.VAA05696@taz.hyperreal.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: abennett@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Bennett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: N2O thieves X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Introspection Inc. said :: > > > So, it's not clear if they got caught, or the dentist's assumed that thse > > 'all-night dance party' attendees stole them. Hmmm.. > > I dunno. The conspiracy freak in me says, "This sounds like a ploy by > the police to have a 'well known' medical group make a statement to > scare ravers from using N2O at their all-night dance parties/orgies". > But, I could be wrong. ;-) The entire story was 39 words. :) And smaller than a 1.5"x2" post-it note. Ploy? a REAL REAL small one. Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 05:28:06 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA22085; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 00:27:53 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA05258; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 23:25:32 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 23:25:32 -0600 Message-Id: <199411300523.VAA05890@taz.hyperreal.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: abennett@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Bennett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Upcoming events? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Nicole Madison said :: > > Question: Why has'nt the mw-raves calendar of upcoming events > been updated? It's obvious that not every party gets equal representation in > all of the midwest areas. I never see fliers for Detriot events. Just > curious. Craig does one helluva job on that flier. Big ups for his effort on that. But then again, Craig only displays what he knows about in the calendar. If people don't post or give him party details, there's no way for him to find out about them. He's not *THAT* good. :) Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 06:56:39 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id BAA23323; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 01:56:29 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id AAA08295; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 00:53:48 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 00:53:48 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: hcmk@umich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Holly Macdonald - Korth To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Upcoming events? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO =*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*= t r e e t o w n f a m i l e e m a s s i v e hcmk@umich.edu mission control: 810.746.3338 *=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=* On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, Nicole Madison wrote: > I never see fliers for Detriot events. Just > curious. > Jessica > well, the only place u're gonna se flyers for detroit parties is in detroit, and sometimes if u're lucky, chicago...that's why we're called the underground dahling. sunshyne From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 09:06:37 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA24692; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 04:06:31 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA10998; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 03:01:18 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 03:01:18 -0600 Message-Id: <941129152546_1369670@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Raves in Amsterdam X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Some people asked me about some info about raves in Europe specially Amsterdam. The door price is usualy between $20 and $60 Why so much ? The DJ line up are extremely good. Big names The sound system is nothing compared to what I have seen and heard here in the US. They use walls of sound. I mean WALLS. 2 meter high by 15 metter wide (6ft * 45 ft). Sometimes they have 40 000 to 60 000 watts of power which can be done because the Voltage is 240 not 110. I think it is funny when people advertise 60 000 watts system at raves here in the US. With 110 volts, you will need 1000 amps. I have not yet seen a building with that amperage capacity. This can make you think With 240 volts, it come down to 400 amps which some building have. Light : They use less lights because sound is the number one thing. but the quality of the ligths used is high. We use I-beams and similar thing. They use NAT 2500, Jupiter 1200, Super Scan 1200. 1 NAT 2500 will make 10 I-beams look like shit. Ex : an NAT 2500 has a 2500 watts MRS buld. It has 65 000 colors 360 by 360 lens movement and retails for 32 000 dollars. An I beam has a 700 watt MSR, 11 color + white and 110 by 90 lens movement and retail for under $5000. Drugs : Acid is extremly rare. MDA not used, MDMA used but the mostly used is MDE or MDEA (Eve) The consuption of eve has increase by 1000% every year in Europe. Why ? MDE or MDEA is a lot more speedy which causes raves to dance and only dance the whole night long. It is a lot more intense and not like MDMA, keeps you from talking all the time. The people (vibe) : ravers there are known to drop at the same time. They all peak at the same time and they all release there energy in front of the speaker. My brother told me that a good way to judge the rave and how the DJ play is by the amount of screams released and the number of people per square meters in front of the stacks. Another friend there told me that people come ready so they don't waist time looking for "eve" and that one hit is usualy way enought. Depending on the strenght of eve, some people only take hafl. An Amsterdam underground newspaper wrote last year that 98% of the ravers are under the influence of E and the other 2 % are "tourists" pEace and out. Music is my religion There is a limit to everything, know yours. From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 09:48:07 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id EAA24985; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 04:47:55 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id DAA12053; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 03:46:14 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 03:46:14 -0600 Message-Id: <01HK2GKER01E8Y58PT@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: SCHROEDER@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Eric A. Schroeder" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Drop Pants T-shirts! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Guess what? The Drop Pants Nework T-Shirts are being printed. If you or someone you love would like to order one of the these high quality products send nd for them now! They are white shirts with black letters on the front, or back depending on how you want them. The T-shirts will be printed as they are ordered so I need to have them pre-paid so I can purchase the shirts. The price for the T-shirt is $8 plus $2 shipping and handling. Send a check or money order (or cash if you really have to) to: Eric A. Schroeder 329 Wilgus Hall Platteville, WI 53818 If you have any questions email me at schroeder@uwplatt.edu or call me at 608.342.3169 sig.txt From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 10:12:58 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id FAA25193; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 05:12:52 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id EAA12593; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 04:09:40 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 04:09:40 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: massive@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Lucas Jay Zimmer To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: N2O thieves X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, Andrew Bennett wrote: > Introspection Inc. said :: > > > > > So, it's not clear if they got caught, or the dentist's assumed that thse > > > 'all-night dance party' attendees stole them. Hmmm.. > > > > I dunno. The conspiracy freak in me says, "This sounds like a ploy by > > the police to have a 'well known' medical group make a statement to > > scare ravers from using N2O at their all-night dance parties/orgies". > > But, I could be wrong. ;-) > > > The entire story was 39 words. :) And smaller than a 1.5"x2" post-it > note. Ploy? a REAL REAL small one. 39 words in one of the united states most highly respected and distributed newspaper, though.... but here is the real conspiracy: i know who the person is who did this crime- he wasn't caught. which leaves it in the realm of assumption by the medical group that the nitrous was for 'all-night dance parties'. it's irresponsible journalism to assume that this was the purpose of the nitrous, but, then again, who is going to protest it? another small grain of 'truth' put into the minds of ma and pa Average. Have a nice day. ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ ____ __ ____ ____ ____ | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ | o _>|()|<_ <_><_ <_>/ () >/\ |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| |__| |__|<_>__><_>__>\______| 414.777.EXTC - "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= Matt Bonde -=- Internet: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= MoT - Massive Magazine -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.EXTC =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 13:53:11 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id IAA27377; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 08:53:03 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id HAA01138; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 07:50:28 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 07:50:28 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: marmoset@garnet.msen.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Dave Walker To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Milwaukee Burglars X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, Andrew Bennett wrote: > MILWAUKEE - Burglars planning to get high on laughing gas at all-night > dance parties have stolen cannisters of nitrous oxide from three dental > offices in recent weeks, the Wisconsin Dental Assn says. Inappropiate > use can cause death, officials say. > > So, it's not clear if they got caught, or the dentist's assumed that thse > 'all-night dance party' attendees stole them. Hmmm.. I was sitting at the breakfast table at my parents' house on Thanksgiving morning when this story came over on the "all news" radio station. I have to confess I giggled a bit and Mom and Dad looked at me strangely. I figure the Wisconsin Dental Association is simply repeating what the Milwaukee PD is telling them, and we all know what Milwaukee cops think of ravers... On Now: mu-ziq - "Roy Castle" ----------------------------------------------------------------- dave walker, detroit art services _ marmoset@msen.com play sim freeke Dave Walker From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 14:14:56 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id JAA27750; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 09:14:45 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA01866; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 08:05:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 08:05:41 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: emote@mtech.csd.uwm.edu (Introspection Inc.) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Milwaukee Burglars X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Forwarded message: > From: Dave Walker > I was sitting at the breakfast table at my parents' house on Thanksgiving > morning when this story came over on the "all news" radio station. I have > to confess I giggled a bit and Mom and Dad looked at me strangely. I > figure the Wisconsin Dental Association is simply repeating what the > Milwaukee PD is telling them, and we all know what Milwaukee cops think of > ravers... This is pretty much what I meant by my post. Even with *NO* proof or clue as to who it was, the article doesn't even say anyone was caught or even charged. Same old same old... OnNow: FSOL - Papua New Guinea - stevenJ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 16:49:45 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id LAA01732; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 11:49:36 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA08346; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 10:45:58 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 10:45:58 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: karen@knuth.mtsu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Ms. Karen Fulford" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: moving to chicago X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hi everyone. I'm moving from Tennessee to Chicago in February. Unfortunately, I don't really know anyone in the area. If anyone is interested in spliting the cost of living with me, please write me back. love, karen fulford karen@knuth.mtsu.edu "peace and happiness are states of mind not dependent upon outside circumstances..." From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 17:40:24 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id MAA02885; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 12:40:17 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA11930; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 11:36:11 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 11:36:11 -0600 Message-Id: <941130113024_2098307@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: AnodeBAM@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: AnodeBAM@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: FUNKOPOLIS Info X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO 10 DECEMBER Saturday NASHVILLE FUNKOPOLIS December 10th 1994 in Nashville : F U N K O P O L I S Confirmed DJ's : John Debo (Boston) Stress / Mindwarp DB (NY) NASA / Smile Communications Micro (NY) Progression / Sorted Records King Britt (Philly) Ovum Recording Scott Richmond (NY) Satellite Productions Net Chip B (Nashville) B.A.M. Terry Mullan (Chicago) Vibe Tribe Captain DJ Lary (Nashville) VINN Spridle (Delaware) Zenith Productions Ambient room by CPP (Memphis) Trip-hop room by Humpty and KnucklHead (Miami/Knoxville) Sound by : Sound-O-Mighty Lights by : Maxximum S & L Visuals by : Factory Visuals (Orlando, Florida) Funky clothes by : J Squared Smart bar by : IMSMARTRU Location is 1000 Harrison Street, Nashville (Same location as FAITH earlier this November) Info : 615.780.3730 E-mail : AnodeBAM@aol.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 18:21:46 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA04561; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 13:21:38 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA14372; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 12:15:31 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 12:15:31 -0600 Message-Id: <9411301814.AA09725@midway.uchicago.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: psenet@midway.uchicago.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: psenet@midway.uchicago.edu (powdered toastman) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: DB X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >December 10th 1994 in Nashville : > >F U N K O P O L I S > >Confirmed DJ's : > >John Debo (Boston) Stress / Mindwarp >DB (NY) NASA / Smile Communications >Micro (NY) Progression / Sorted Records >King Britt (Philly) Ovum Recording >Scott Richmond (NY) Satellite Productions Net >Chip B (Nashville) B.A.M. >Terry Mullan (Chicago) Vibe Tribe >Captain DJ Lary (Nashville) VINN >Spridle (Delaware) Zenith Productions I noticed that Dj DB is going to be at Funkopolis. Anyone ever heard him spin before? I myself never have, but i've got a tape of his off a friend of mine. He puts out some wicked trance! Most likely I wont be able to make it to Nashville, but its good to see some familiar east coast names here in the midwest(sort of). toastman From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 18:37:31 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id NAA04872; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 13:37:22 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA15619; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 12:33:43 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 12:33:43 -0600 Message-Id: <199411301832.KAA27213@taz.hyperreal.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: abennett@hyperreal.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Andrew Bennett To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: DB X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO powdered toastman said :: > > I noticed that Dj DB is going to be at Funkopolis. Anyone ever heard him > spin before? I myself never have, but i've got a tape of his off a friend > of mine. He puts out some wicked trance! Most likely I wont be able to > make it to Nashville, but its good to see some familiar east coast names > here in the midwest(sort of). DB (of NASA) spun at Phase III in Cincinnati (well, Northern KY) early in November. Going in I was told he did "progressive house stuff", and that's what he did at Phase III. He was smooth in the transitions department, but progressive house doesn't really excite me. But that doesn't mean he'll do prog house in TN. Andrew -- (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 20:29:34 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA07462; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 15:29:19 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA22014; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:11:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:11:45 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jwelch@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MrJP To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: DB X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, Andrew Bennett wrote: > powdered toastman said :: > > > > I noticed that Dj DB is going to be at Funkopolis. Anyone ever heard him > > spin before? I myself never have, but i've got a tape of his off a friend > > of mine. He puts out some wicked trance! Most likely I wont be able to > > make it to Nashville, but its good to see some familiar east coast names > > here in the midwest(sort of). > > DB (of NASA) spun at Phase III in Cincinnati (well, Northern KY) early in > November. Going in I was told he did "progressive house stuff", and > that's what he did at Phase III. He was smooth in the transitions > department, but progressive house doesn't really excite me. > > But that doesn't mean he'll do prog house in TN. > > > > Andrew > -- > > (c) 1994, Andrew Bennett abennett@hyperreal.com > Didn't DB spin Breaks at Acidic Opera? MrJP ______________________________________________________________________________ | I never understood alienation. | Alienation from WHAT? You have to MrJP | WANT to be part of something | in order to feel alienated from it. | -Boyd Rice ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 20:35:25 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA07596; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 15:35:13 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA23071; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:28:05 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:28:05 -0600 Message-Id: <199411302026.OAA04066@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: brujah@csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: -fNoRd- To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: FUNKOPOLIS Info X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >10 DECEMBER Saturday NASHVILLE FUNKOPOLIS >December 10th 1994 in Nashville : >F U N K O P O L I S Hey, if any milwaukee people are goin to this, could i tag along? Got some people to see in Nashvegas... -- * HELL YES, I'M * * C H I N E S E * * (R. Bowman is not a big stud at the Milwaukee Art Center) * * homepage! "ftp://alpha2.csd.uwm.edu/pub/kagemusha/howdy.html" * From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 20:38:07 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id PAA07647; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 15:37:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id OAA23449; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:30:56 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:30:56 -0600 Message-Id: <01HK3D0OCNO28Y5PPB@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: DB X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Well, I've never heard DB, exept on a mixtape, but it wasn't house, and it wasn't trance, but nice, smooth, pianoy breaks. Maybe this guy is just a jack of all trades?? Peace out, Ramylson ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' "In music the passions enjoy 608.342.3196 themselves." F. Neitzsche Fun House Productions ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 22:03:03 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA09862; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:02:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id PAA28352; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 15:46:09 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 15:46:09 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: stu@infochi.infochi.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Stu Shea To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Milwaukee Burglars X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, Dave Walker wrote: > On Tue, 29 Nov 1994, Andrew Bennett wrote: > > I was sitting at the breakfast table at my parents' house on Thanksgiving > morning when this story came over on the "all news" radio station. I have > to confess I giggled a bit and Mom and Dad looked at me strangely. I > figure the Wisconsin Dental Association is simply repeating what the > Milwaukee PD is telling them, and we all know what Milwaukee cops think of > ravers... I listen to a lot of Milwaukee Brewers games (when they do play baseball, that is) on the radio from Chicago, and the Wisconsin Dental Association is one of their sponsors. And their slogan? "Your Dentist Cares About YOU!" Stu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 22:29:13 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA11117; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:28:44 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA00916; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:21:37 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:21:37 -0600 Message-Id: <30NOV94.17640962.0088.MUSIC@MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BACIKJ@MUSIC.LIB.MATC.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Bacik, John" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: ...I wuz wundering? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO To all of you who are listenin: Just thinkin: does anyone on the net have any information, facts, or opinions about lightng and things related? I used to go to rummage sales looking for disco balls and strobe lights but now I like to "be enlightened". So if you do the light shows at raves or know sumthing interesting about your lava lamp- pulease give me a ring! -Thanx jax Bacikj@music.lib.matc.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 22:44:01 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id RAA11654; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:43:46 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id QAA01632; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:33:22 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:33:22 -0600 Message-Id: <01HK3G4RPNSI8Y5GYL@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: SCHROEDER@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: "Eric A. Schroeder" To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: More info on Drop Pants T-shirts! X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Some additions to the letter about the Drop Pants T-Shirts... If you want them on boxer shorts, I will try to get those too, I dont know how well the image will stick to them when they are in your pants but we can see. The image is the new drop bass image with the words changed to be Drop Pants, it is a swell rendition, made on the school's silly Macs. Price again, $10, shipping included. Check payable to Eric A. Schroeder, send the money to. Eric A. Schroeder 329 Wilgus Hall Platteville, WI 53818 after December 15th, Eric A. Schroeder 1921 N. Summit Appleton, WI 54914-2631 Thanks... sig.txt From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 23:19:57 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA12917; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 18:19:47 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA04195; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:13:13 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:13:13 -0600 Message-Id: <199411302308.XAA09839@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Zero - Review - By: Dildo Who posted the party X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO >Well I just wanted to some up what went on this past Sunday in a >Warehouse, in the middle of Milwaukee. A couple of people who really >care about the Milwaukee scene decided to throw a party at the last >minute. Sound was rented, and turntables were found and DJ's were >called. Even a warehouse was, well lets say accessed. They didn't even >charge a thing.. (They are really nice guys) I've never been to something so inherently cool. Big props to all involved with putting this one together. _Thank you_. >Your friend! "The DILDO that posted the party on the net" I didn't recall who posted the message; just that I thought it was kinda' irresponsible to advertise so publicly about something so potentially... err... hazardous. :-) Should have come up and said hi... Again, THANK YOU GUYS! -- Craig "The DILDO that called Jon a DILDO and is sorry" Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 23:20:55 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA12934; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 18:20:39 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA04361; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:14:52 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:14:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199411302309.XAA09851@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re: N2O thieves X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Steve White: >Forwarded message: >> From: Andrew Bennett >> >> So, it's not clear if they got caught, or the dentist's assumed that thse >> 'all-night dance party' attendees stole them. Hmmm.. > >I dunno. The conspiracy freak in me says, "This sounds like a ploy by >the police to have a 'well known' medical group make a statement to >scare ravers from using N2O at their all-night dance parties/orgies". >But, I could be wrong. ;-) ^^^^^^ Man, I'm going to the wrong parties... -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 23:22:45 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA12982; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 18:22:30 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA04426; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:15:16 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:15:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199411302309.XAA09864@mixcom.mixcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: archon@acid.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: Upcoming events? X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Jessica : > Question: Why has'nt the mw-raves calendar of upcoming events >been updated? It's obvious that not every party gets equal representation in >all of the midwest areas. I never see fliers for Detriot events. Just >curious. The calendar gets updated usually every Wednesday afternoon and posted on both the mw-raves and mw-raves-cal mailing lists. Copies are also made available on hyperreal and on acid. A PostScript version is available at hyperreal too. I usually make a 2nd update on Friday evening, prior to printing, and that update is available on acid (mw-raves-cal@acid.com). To address your second statement; yes, but there's not much I can do about that. If given a flyer, I'll type in all the text I see, verbatim. If someone posts an e-flyer, I include all of their text (only trimming extra blank lines or occasionally wrapping long lines). If someone doesn't include a lot of info on a party that's going on in Booneyville, and someone else posts all kinds of stuff about a party in Chicago... the calendar isn't implying that the party in Chicago will be better (you may infer that, but I think you'd be wrong). Everything that I personally know about is listed in the calendar each week, unless whoever gave me the info for a party doesn't want it on the list (which is rare). Anything I see posted to the list, sent to me in e-mail, s-mailed or faxed to me gets included. If you or anyone knows of anything that's going on, and you don't see it in the calendar, let me know! The list as an information source is only as valuable as the information we collectively add to it. The more info we put in, the more valuable it becomes. If you or anyone else has any suggestions, gripes, or whatever about how to make the calendar (or this list) more helpful, informative, or even more entertaining... say something! :-) This isn't my list, it isn't your list... "we're all in this together". It's _ours_. I think that the more we work at trying to get what we want (nothing is ever perfect), we have almost no other alternative than to get closer to it. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 23:27:56 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA13104; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 18:27:45 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA05139; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:23:47 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:23:47 -0600 Message-Id: <199411302323.PAA27352@netcom19.netcom.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: ericmc@netcom.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: ericmc@netcom.com (Eric) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Goodbye for Now X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I had an incredibly memorable trip to Chicago, and it was great meeting alot of the mw-ravers. Especially the bouncy one. :) I'm gonna be signing off mw-raves now until my next trip. Have fun, Eric From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 30 23:54:43 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id SAA13800; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 18:54:20 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id RAA06515; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:43:35 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:43:35 -0600 Message-Id: <199411302342.AA117908957@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: dps927@nwu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: dps927@nwu.edu (david siska) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: DB X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO i may be wrong on this, but isn't db the guy who mixed that domestic breakbeat/jungle comp, history of our world vol 1? of course, when someone's paying you to mix a cd, you've got access to enough equipment so that if it is indeed possible to mix two songs 100% perfectly, you will be able to do it. so although the cd doesn't tell much about his mixing ability, the songs he chose in order to interpret the history of jungle since '92 are pretty good. d8) dave From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Dec 1 01:28:35 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id UAA15918; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 20:27:33 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id TAA11932; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 19:21:29 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 19:21:29 -0600 Message-Id: <01HK3NUOJYKY8Y5KU3@uwplatt.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: BUTZKE@uwplatt.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 90210 X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey, did you guys see the rave thing on 90210? The trials of a real promoter. I mean, did you see the flyers, the space, the lighting, the sound, the people, and they even posted it in cyberspace?! If it were only that easy. Heehee.. Peace out, Ramylson ________________________________________________________________________________ Bradley "Ramylson" Butzke 'butzke@uwplatt.edu' "In music the passions enjoy 608.342.3196 themselves." F. Neitzsche Fun House Productions ________________________________________________________________________________ From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Dec 1 03:27:40 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA18354; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:26:31 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA17534; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:23:10 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:23:10 -0600 Message-Id: <941130203300_2518453@aol.com> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: MaxximumSL@aol.com Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: MaxximumSL@aol.com To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 90210 w/ another rave X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO They are having another rave, dressed in suits. Where is this world coming to ? From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Dec 1 03:57:53 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id WAA18948; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:56:22 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id VAA18629; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:41:29 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:41:29 -0600 Message-Id: <01HK3UYC2RKOR5NJO8@wmich.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: X94BENNETT4@wmich.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: X94BENNETT4@wmich.edu (Aaron M. Bennett) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 90210 "Rave" Pt. II X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Loved the place where they held their "rave" at. Looked like something straight out of Bloomfield Hills, Michigan. Also loved how they had a guy with a acoustic guitar in their version of a "chill room" (they called it that). I just wish that the first "rave" they had ended with a fire too!!!! :) :) aaron b. western michigan university-kalamazoo chicago <--2 hours--> kalamazoo <--2 hours--> detroit From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Dec 1 04:19:15 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA19463; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:17:49 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA20241; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:13:44 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:13:44 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: 90210 "Rave" Pt. II X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO and mexican food????? whatthafuk? 'this is no chips and dip affair' steve okay, so there have been a few with free vegitarian food...but.... "why waste you're time, you know you're gonnna be mine..."hehehehe i'm going to wear my old prom dress to the next party...hehehe... 'there are a couple of yahoos throwin water balloons out the window, i didnt know throwing a party could need so much damage control' valerie if that is all the crowd control they need then they sure as hell have it easy.... who needs real raves when you've got some depressed hick singing to his guitar and b96-esque tewns...hehe woowoo alison and kelly...valerie and steve...stranded in a fire...hehe no brandon no! dont kiss her! AHHHHH!! what about kelly? you two timing bastard... as you all can tell i am watching this at this moment... oh, i love hte suspense....if were lucky theyll all die in a flaming inferno...ive only seen 4 episodes of this show, but i do believe if they all died now, it would be none too soon....grrr... gretchen e blount From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Dec 1 04:20:23 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA19522; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:19:23 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA20446; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:16:49 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:16:49 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: interlab@mtech.csd.uwm.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: InterLAB To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: 90210-not the first attempt X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Hey!! Does anyone remember a LONG time ago( I thinj it was in there first season..or second) they went to a "club" that was more like a really old school rave? They had to get directions "scavenger hunt style". They went into a quick mart and asked to buy a "single egg". Later they are at this really loopy "club" and Brandon ends up taking "euphoria" and gets really sorted! EEEEW! Ben dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu 414.256.1775 From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Dec 1 04:29:16 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA19708; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:28:04 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA20990; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:23:17 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:23:17 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: 90210-not the first attempt X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, InterLAB wrote: > Hey!! Does anyone remember a LONG time ago( I thinj it was in there first > season..or second) they went to a "club" that was more like a really old school > rave? They had to get directions "scavenger hunt style". They went into a quick > mart and asked to buy a "single egg". Later they are at this really loopy > "club" and Brandon ends up taking "euphoria" and gets really sorted! EEEEW! > Ben > > dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu > 414.256.1775 > > i did not, but my roomate did...and she is a conservative southern baptist...who bases her entire idea of raves offv this episode...depressing but true...its quite funny actually.... gretchen From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Dec 1 04:48:53 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA20272; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:47:28 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA22063; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:43:48 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:43:48 -0600 Message-Id: <199412010439.EAA04472@falcon.depaul.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: goldbaum@falcon.depaul.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nate Goldbaum To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: DB X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO I may be wrong, but.... I think there is a dB on vrave who is dieselBoy: a Pittsburgh breaks DJ Then there is also the DB referred to before who is a trance/prog house/ whatever DJ. I'm not too familiar with the latter. I just know (of) dieselBoy. peaceout nate From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Dec 1 04:50:56 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA20325; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:49:31 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA22208; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:45:26 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:45:26 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: 90210-not the first attempt X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, Kevin G. Donald wrote: > > > > > > > > On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, InterLAB wrote: > > > > > Hey!! Does anyone remember a LONG time ago( I thinj it was in there first > > > season..or second) they went to a "club" that was more like a really old school > > > rave? They had to get directions "scavenger hunt style". They went into a quick > > > mart and asked to buy a "single egg". Later they are at this really loopy > > > "club" and Brandon ends up taking "euphoria" and gets really sorted! EEEEW! > > > Ben > > > > > > dan, ben, jonah & shannon InterLAB > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > InterLAB@mtech.csd.uwm.edu > > > 414.256.1775 > > > > > > > > i did not, but my roomate did...and she is a conservative southern > > baptist...who bases her entire idea of raves offv this > > episode...depressing but true...its quite funny actually.... > > gretchen > > gretchen: don't you think there needs to be another word besides > rave? maybe a cool name would be "alien abduction"? > OR *BETTER* yet! > Out of body partieS! > (i've had out of body experience thanks to FAITH in nashville) > > > thats funny you should say that...phil and i wrote an article in a free art a few years back that concerned this very topic...we called it the crap scene... and if a dj spun well or a party was rad then it was crappy...it now sounds quite stupid to me, but everyone else was at rave'em and baily's that night...and we were stuck in chi...so we at least were occupied... gretchen ps..tim, if you are reading this, i know i should be in bed...i'm getting there i swear... From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Dec 1 04:52:01 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA20363; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:50:51 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA22357; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:47:02 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:47:02 -0600 Message-Id: <9412010445.AA15475@thumb.MIT.EDU> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: jcarow@MIT.EDU Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Casper To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: _-'Universal LOVE`-_ X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO universal love was really a great event..nice to get back home to chicago and see how much jungle has gained popularity....nice to see everyone..rhiannon, mike, hossam, amy, et al....i had soo much fun brockin out to sniper, mystical influence, and the man like the phantom 45...and mc reality is one of the best _mc_s i have heard... is anyone going to burial in minneapolis on friday? i wish i could but am unfortunately stuck on the (l)east cost ;).... the dj's are snuggles (cha), rp smack (cha), jj jellybean (cha), dieselboy (bbc/pittsburgh), abel (minneapolis), and e-tones (minneapolis) damn i wish i could go...oh well.... -- : julian/casper - bbc '94 jcarow@mit.edu : : http://www.mit.edu:8001/people/jcarow/home.html : : big up all hardcore junglists, hold tight. : From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Dec 1 04:59:24 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id XAA20498; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:57:57 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id WAA22924; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:54:27 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 22:54:27 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: g-blount@ux5.cso.uiuc.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: blount gretchen e To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: DB X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO one is from pitt (dieselboy) pretty much just breaks db on the other hand was originally from london, then came to nyc...spun mostly acid house...but is also quite partial to hard trance and jungle(:>) and house... gretchen :> From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Dec 1 05:11:45 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA20733; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 00:10:21 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA23511; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:04:54 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:04:54 -0600 Message-Id: <199412010456.EAA04667@falcon.depaul.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: goldbaum@falcon.depaul.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nate Goldbaum To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Ravem 'n' Bail-E X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO > sounds quite stupid to me, but everyone else was at rave'em and baily's > that night...and we were stuck in chi...so we at least were occupied... Yaknow! I was wondering for quite a while what the deal had been for Ravem and Bail-E. I had wanted to go because the flyer was rad and then I ended up missing it. When I called the DBN line the next day they were apologizing. I never found out why they were apologizing tho. What hap- penned? Thanks for any and all info. peaceout nate From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Dec 1 05:22:02 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA20872; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 00:20:48 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA23988; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:15:36 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:15:36 -0600 Message-Id: Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: madisonn@it.uwp.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: Nicole Madison To: Multiple recipients of list X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Does anyone happen to know Melisa's home address in St.Louis and Heath's home address in Delaware? Jessica madisonn@it.uwp.edu From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Dec 1 05:50:06 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA21240; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 00:47:06 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA24613; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:31:41 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:31:41 -0600 Message-Id: <01HK3WPLXF0Y9ANHG9@vaxb.calumet.purdue.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: JS784592@vaxb.calumet.purdue.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: JS784592@vaxb.calumet.purdue.edu To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: MISSION X X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO Vibe Alive and Organic bring you MISSION X december 17 Sho MIles Maeda Mindrive Paul Johnson Gene Farris Robert Armani Traxx Lego for more info call 312.604.1978 or 312.730.8474 or contact jim at js784592@pucal.bitnet peace From mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Thu Dec 1 05:50:34 1994 Received: from batch1.csd.uwm.edu by great-miami.iac.net with ESMTP id AAA21267; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 00:49:56 -0500 Received: from (listserv@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id XAA25045; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:46:26 -0600 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 23:46:26 -0600 Message-Id: <9412010540.AA86633@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu> Errors-To: aragorn@csd.uwm.edu Reply-To: smmcfar@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu Originator: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Sender: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Precedence: bulk From: smmcfar@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu (Shannon M. Mcfarland) To: Multiple recipients of list Subject: re:90210"rave" Pt.II X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas Status: RO ok just to let you guys know that i got to illinios state univ. and 90210 is a big thing down here...so when we were watching it tonight everyone asked me if that was what a rave was like... I said "HELL NO!!!!!" and i soon found myself telling them the true, dirty, hardcore, side of raves!! yes, i have done my part of informing those uneducated, down-home, good ole boys i go to school with. i can now say i have done my part for the scene... please feel free to comment on my schooling of my residents. *peace* shannon, the funkee diva... P.S. can we say house party/frat party... From synergy@csd.uwm.edu Tue Nov 29 11:23:01 1994 Received: from alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (synergy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.7.202]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id LAA27613 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 11:23:01 -0600 Received: (synergy@localhost) by alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) id LAA19029; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 11:23:01 -0600 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 11:22:59 -0600 (CST) From: Bradley John Owen To: Midwest Raves Subject: My Weekend From Hell (In Minnesota) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Hello there folks. Let me take a moment to tell you about my experiences this weekend. Friday evening, myself and da man like da Jannick made our way to Winona Minnesota to play some tracks on the airwaves and chill with some friends from back in the day. Unfortunately, since thanksgiving was in the house, no one was around to listen and things got really dull, really quickly. So...we stopped the music and proceeded to play live acoustic lounge versions of Black Flag, Madonna, Drawback, and other great hits. That was probably the highlight of my weekend...that and the complimentary R Kelly record given to me from my friend who works at the station. Nonetheless...we headed to Minneapolis for Rhythm on Saturday evening. Upon arrival at the warehouse, we were stopped by some fellow who refused to let us in until everything was set up (aka lights and sound). I politely argued the point that I had been sitting in a fucking car forever and would really like to get inside to plan out my set (I was scheduled to spin from 12-1:30). After about twenty minutes of sitting around, we got in. The space was killer...a large warehouse with two rooms...two systems (only one of which was going to be used)...lights were rather weak (a disco ball and dat's it...but oh well...it was effective). Unfortunately, the space was used on friday night for "Celestial Grooves" which had been shut down due to a disgruntled neighbor (as Sheri pointed out in her previous post). Earth spun at listening volume for a while and then I took over. After two songs, four to six squad cars showed up and shut the party down for some tax evasion things. At this point, we kicked it back to a friend's house and sat around until two (getting frustrated that we had driven from Milwaukee for this). Finally, Earth phoned, we went to Industry and found a bunch of people standing around in the parking lot, enjoying the less than temparate Minneapolis climate. So...then...I spun until 3:30. Had kind of a hellish time doing it too. The club had no monitor speaker and I was graced by some very loud Industry employee standing next to me for most of my set, yelling to a friend of his and lessening my ablilty to hear the house system. The turntables were pitched up ALOT (like +18 or something) but not evenly which threw me off a whole lot. The tables were set on some shelf with the mixer below it (don't ask me why?). At this point I was in no mood for such shit...but oh well...my set wasn't what I had hoped it to be (for the reasons above) but it wasn't a bunch of trainwrecks either. Alex Jarvis who spun after me seemed to be having similar problems. NOTE: For DJ's...Minneapolis people like Ron Trent's "Altered States." I was shocked because it is my favorite track of all time and I've never heard people go off to it. That was good. So...I got paid twenty bucks which didn't even come close to covering gas and other expenses (I can understand that though...they lost a bunch of money). Then...we went back to a friend's house, slept, and woke up with seven inches of snow on the ground. We figured we'd better start driving before it got worse. Drove three hours at 30 mph and stopped in Eau Claire and got a hotel. We were in no mood to die on the freeway or somethin. There were a total of 26 cars in the ditch (we counted). Yummmmy! Finally made it back early monday evening. And it's good to be here. Brad Synergy Quadrasonic an all dat From CIELIA01@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Fri Nov 4 11:09:58 1994 Received: from TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU (tigger.StCloud.MSUS.EDU [134.29.33.14]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id LAA03971 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:09:55 -0600 From: CIELIA01@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:11:33 -0600 (CST) To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Message-Id: <941104111133.f71@TIGGER.STCLOUD.MSUS.EDU> Subject: SNAP Status: O Hello! I am wondering if any of the Minneapolis netfolk are going to SNAP this Saturday, and if so, are you doing a Perkins thing before?? I haven't been able to make the previous Perkins excursions, actually I haven't really been visible much on this board at all but you have to emerge from somewhere you know!....So if anyone is going to SNAP or if anyone has any rumors/comments about this party please, don't keep it to yourself! :) Amy <---no netname yet, still thinking..... From CHRISTOPHER-MCCREIGHT@Augustana.edu Tue Nov 1 12:50:17 1994 Received: from alpha.augustana.edu (alpha.augustana.edu [143.226.98.33]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id MAA06713 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 12:50:16 -0600 Received: from augustana.edu by alpha.augustana.edu (MX V4.0-1 AXP) with SMTP; Tue, 01 Nov 1994 12:43:36 CDT Received: from SORENSEN/SpoolDir by augustana.edu (Mercury 1.13); Tue, 1 Nov 94 12:41:31 CDT Received: from SpoolDir by SORENSEN (Mercury 1.13); Tue, 1 Nov 94 11:14:35 CDT From: "CmC" Organization: Augustana College - Rock Island IL To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:14:31 CST Subject: Masquerave II X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1a) Message-ID: <7A1D600058@augustana.edu> Status: O OK, I'm not going to review my own party. However, someone asked for a review and since nobody has mentioned anything, I'll give the basics. Masquerave II went off essentially without a hitch. Sound and lights worked (I'm not going to judge the quality). All DJ's performed on time (Merlin, Jason Tart, MelloFlex, CmC, Scottie Miller, Tony Giovannie--all good sets, but once again, I'm not objective so I won't get into it). 600 people showed making it the biggest rave in the history of the Quad Cities. No cops. If anyone has any more questions, feel free to ask. Chris From archon@acid.com Mon Oct 31 23:09:18 1994 Received: from mixcom.mixcom.com (root@mixcom.mixcom.com [198.137.186.100]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id XAA03209 for ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 23:09:16 -0600 Received: from [198.137.186.133] by mixcom.mixcom.com (8.6.8/2.1-MIXCOM-G) id FAA16846; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 05:04:33 GMT Message-Id: <199411010504.FAA16846@mixcom.mixcom.com> Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 05:04:33 GMT X-Sender: uuvvuu@mixcom.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu From: archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak) Subject: Re: ack's Status: O >hey all... >do we still get ack's of our posts? i just posted an e-flyer a few hours >a go, and it didn't show up in my mailbox...did anyone else get the >contact flyer? if not, let me know and i'll repost it...if you did, when >did we stop gettting acknowledgements of our posts? Someone else had problems with this, too. Send the command "set mw-raves" to the listserver and see if mail acknowledge is on or off. If it's off, send the command "set mw-raves mail ack" (or "set mw-raves ack", but I think it's the first command I mentioned). If that doesn't work, unsubscribe and resubscribe. I have no control over the listserver. Someone was _going_ to send me a list of commands so I could, but it never happened. BTW, Holly, we got your message. :-) -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com From FLOREKT@UWSTOUT.EDU Sat Nov 12 19:30:00 1994 Received: from alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (root@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.8.201]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id TAA02130 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 19:29:59 -0600 From: FLOREKT@UWSTOUT.EDU Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU (UWSTOUT.EDU [144.13.18.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id TAA26401 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 19:29:58 -0600 Received: from UWSTOUT.EDU by UWSTOUT.EDU (PMDF V4.2-11 #4883) id <01HJEAVA8A2E000BW5@UWSTOUT.EDU>; Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:40:14 CST Date: Sat, 12 Nov 1994 15:40:14 -0600 (CST) Subject: Liquid Love To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Message-id: <01HJEAVA8A2G000BW5@UWSTOUT.EDU> X-VMS-To: MW MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Status: O I know this might be a little early but a couple places we might lookm at for a PRe-Meeting spot 1---Golden CasketB 2- MARC's Cafe 3----- THor's Lunchbox 4----ANY PLACE ON COLLEGE AVE.T 5-----???????????????/ If any one knows exactly where it is going to be we could find a placend closer if not, We can work on something.........KEEP in tou.krnad t we can work what isthat shit..........KEEP in touch.. SERVOT Timmy Florek FLOREKT@UWSTOUT.EdU ------GAME OvER MAN!!----------- From prodigy@csd.uwm.edu Wed Nov 9 14:20:38 1994 Received: from alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (prodigy@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu [129.89.7.202]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id OAA04192 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:20:38 -0600 Received: (prodigy@localhost) by alpha2.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) id OAA22994; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:20:25 -0600 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 14:20:23 -0600 (CST) From: John Thomas Drefahl To: "Gregory M. Kus" cc: Multiple recipients of list Subject: Re: SEX In-Reply-To: <199411090335.AA03761@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O Yeah, what do you guys think about this little rooms that are hidden off in the corners somewhere. You know, that one room you just accidently come across when trippen yer balls off, and there are like 4 people having an E orgy? Is this appropiate? Later, John, Sin, Massive ____ _ ___ ___ 0 ___ ___ ______ ____ ____ _ __ __ ____ <_ <_><_>| \| | 0 | \/ |/ () \<_ <_><_ <_><_>\ \/ // () >/\ MASSIVE <_>__>|_||_|\__| 0 |_/\/\_||__||__|<_>__><_>__>|_| \__/ \______| Magazine 414.777.3994 0 "Remember, The Underground is MASSIVE!" - 414.777.EXTC =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= =-= John Drefahl -=- Internet: PRODIGY@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= 3400 N. Maryland, 1600 -=- MASSIVE INTERNET: MASSIVE@CSD.UWM.EDU =-= =-= Milwaukee, Wi 53211 -=- Voice Mail: 414.777.3994 =-= =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= From jong@kitchen.mcad.edu Wed Nov 2 10:25:57 1994 Received: from kitchen.mcad.edu (kitchen.mcad.edu [150.253.50.1]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id KAA27488 for ; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:25:56 -0600 Received: from pantry by kitchen.mcad.edu (NX5.67c/NX3.0M) id AA17912; Wed, 2 Nov 94 10:44:13 -0600 From: Jon Gilkison Message-Id: <9411021644.AA17912@kitchen.mcad.edu> Received: by pantry.mcad.edu (NX5.67c/NX3.0X) id AA04058; Wed, 2 Nov 94 10:44:12 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 94 10:44:12 -0600 To: swaterbu@gac.edu Subject: Re: live in MN...here's some fun Cc: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Status: O Oops meant to cc: it to mw-raves. Once again: Any minneapolis net kidz heading out and over to acidic pyramid???? Wanna give the good ol' professa a lift?!? Anyone want to ride amtrack with me :) LEMME KNOW earache soopaDiNKY From mb@gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU Fri Nov 4 18:27:24 1994 Received: from gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU (GETTINS.BCHE.UIC.EDU [128.248.97.100]) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with SMTP id SAA01360 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 18:27:24 -0600 Received: by gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU (931110.SGI/921111.SGI.AUTO) for mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu id AA04943; Fri, 4 Nov 94 18:09:46 -0600 From: "Mark Bowen" Message-Id: <9411041809.ZM4941@gettins.BCHE.UIC.EDU> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 18:09:34 -0600 In-Reply-To: (by way of archon@acid.com (Craig L. Stodolenak)) "Re: rave mass??" (Nov 4, 2:19pm) References: <199411042014.UAA04864@mixcom.mixcom.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail) To: UPFCLARK@memstvx1.memphis.edu, Multiple recipients of list Subject: rave mass?? II Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 Status: O Response to various comments about my earlier post. 1)I know a form of Tai Chi and would recommend it to anyone. It is designed to maintain proper energy flow *within* the practitioner. It may be interesting to watch but I'm not sure what good does anyone. 2)I never meant to suggest that it was not cool to go to a rave and watch people. Who hasn't done that. Even to go and not dance at all is fine. I didn't get the impression that that was the nature of the event being described. It sounded more like there was a designated audience who came to see a "rave " being performed for them so they could go home and tell people they'd seen one. It didn't sound interactive to me at all. I'm not trying to define anything for anyone, but it just reminds me so much of past innovations in music that had to be put in a readers digest for for the masses who can they claim they been there and done that. I mean who invented jazz? Blacks, a group that was not socially acceptable at the time, and it took white people usurping the music to let the average person feel it was okay to like it. The sitautions are not totally analogous, but I think there tends to be a bastardization of innovation into an easily digestible form which allows people who don't understand something to define it, control it and eventually sell it back to you. The overriding theme here is that the event, as described, gives people a false sense that the have participated in something when in actuality they are only voyeurs. nuf sed peace -- Mark Bowen mb@gettins.bche.uic.edu O O O O O O O O O H | H | H | H | H | H | H | H | H | HN C= N C= N C= N C=HN C=HN C=HN C=HN C=HN C=O \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / C C C C C C C C C / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ / \ H R H R H R H R H R H R H R H R H R From rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Sun Nov 20 00:29:24 1994 Received: from oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu [132.235.1.2]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id AAA20027 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 00:29:24 -0600 Received: (from rmaslow@localhost) by oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu (8.6.8/8.6.6) id BAA29917 for mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 01:29:21 -0500 From: Rebecca Jill Maslow Message-Id: <199411200629.BAA29917@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu> Subject: pixel <--read this To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 01:29:21 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 392 Status: RO i know, i know, sorry to waste the bandwidth. if you are not pixel, then delete this. if you are pixel, then please respond to this, i have to ask you something. thanks. -becca Becca Maslow *AtTrAcTiOn* rmaslow@oucsace.cs.ohiou.edu Jan. 13,14,15,16 little elf :) see ya'll there! From aragorn Wed Nov 2 14:14:00 1994 Received: (aragorn@localhost) by alpha1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) id OAA22670 for mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:14:00 -0600 From: Steve J White Message-Id: <199411022014.OAA22670@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu> Subject: Re: stuph from this side To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu (mw-raves) Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:13:40 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "MrJP" at Nov 2, 94 01:34:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24alpha3] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 890 Status: O In a technologically-induced stupor, MrJP flatly stated... :: ::On Tue, 1 Nov 1994, Dana Hanselman wrote: :: ::> In fact I'd say kind of a strange contrast rave/frat boy ::> party. Basically my question is where or how far would I have to go to ::> experience a REAL rave and if I did would I want to be on X, or acid or ::> just bring a portapak of nitrous oxide or what? ::> :: ::Rave isn't about drugs....... And to this I would add that even if the event(s) you mentioned are at some sort of frat establishment it might actually be pretty cool, regardless of frat presence. I've been to some awesome parties in some places you'd never expect a rave to take place. It isn't the location; it's the vibe, the music and the (lack of) attitude. Lasciate ogni autonomia, steven j. white aragorn@alpha1.csd.uwm.edu voi che entrate! finger for PGP 2.6 public key From mike@hyperreal.com Fri Nov 18 10:46:47 1994 Received: from taz.hyperreal.com (taz.hyperreal.com [140.174.72.240]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id KAA18280 for ; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:46:42 -0600 Received: by taz.hyperreal.com (8.6.9/8.6.5) id IAA04249; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 08:46:10 -0800 From: Mike Brown Message-Id: <199411181646.IAA04249@taz.hyperreal.com> Subject: Re: Kenny Larkin (fwd) To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 08:46:09 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9411181549.AA02052@kitchen.mcad.edu> from "Jon Gilkison" at Nov 18, 94 09:32:17 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 284 Status: O > I don't mean to sound ignorant, but who is Kenny Larkin? Is he on the > list? A DJ? A musician? > earache Kenny Larkin is a musician. His album _Azimuth_ released late last year on Warp has been well received by fans of IDM and Detroit techno. He has a new album due soon. From dps927@nwu.edu Mon Nov 21 12:07:16 1994 Received: from lulu.acns.nwu.edu (daemon@lulu.acns.nwu.edu [129.105.16.54]) by batch1.csd.uwm.edu (8.6.9/8.6.8) with ESMTP id MAA05974 for ; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:07:16 -0600 Received: from [129.105.9.158] (lucky158.acns.nwu.edu) by lulu.acns.nwu.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.11/20.1) id AA184451231; Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:07:11 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Nov 1994 12:07:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199411211807.AA184451231@lulu.acns.nwu.edu> To: mw-raves@csd.uwm.edu From: dps927@nwu.edu (david siska) X-Sender: dps927@lulu.acns.nwu.edu (Unverified) Subject: Re: turntables Status: O >Illinois Audio in Chicago sells mkII's for $365 new, no cartridge. >1-800-621-8042. Anthony, this number isn't working anymore (11/19). any additional info would be kool. d8) dave